Pistol "Outlaw" Matches

[Bergeron]

There's some upcoming pistol-only matches, separate from the usual organizations that I've been seeing on my media feed, and I'm curious to both hear what people think about these particular matches and to learn what other sort of atypical action pistol stuff might be out there.

Handgun Brutality is waaay out west in St. George UT, April 7 - 9 and is being run by the 2-gun action challenge crew that does all the other "Brutality"-style matches. All I know is that there two of the divisions (I'm not sure how many there are, I'm not in that Patreon group) are sized based, a "Full-Size" 9.0" x 7.0" and a "Compact Carry" 7.0" x 5.5" division (slide parallel to long dimension). Looks like either a Roland Glock or 92X Performance w/ Steiner will just fit the "Full-Size".

I also see that Infinity is hosting a "World Pistol Shootout" in Gordon, TX, March 17-19; divisions are "Performance Carry" and "Unlimited", and will uniquely feature shootouts for the top competitors in each division and category (Junior, Lady, Senior, Super Senior).

There's simply no way that I'll be able to make the Handgun Brutality match, and probably not even the Infinity match, but I am 100% intending to make the Pin Shoot this summer.

What else might be out there? I am interested in the action 2-gun and 3-gun stuff, but I'm also interested in these, and interested in any action pistol that might be substantially different than our classic USPSA & IDPA stuff. I still really like those sports, but I'm also really interested in and open to the big world of "other" that might be out there.

[littlejerry]

Would you be interested in biathlon/run'n'gun events?

If so there are quite a few out there in OK, TX, AR, KY, AL, GA, TN, SC, and NC.

https://thegunrun.us/

[Jim Watson]

There are outlaw events that are not publicized. I have shot a couple of club level matches that are Own Rules but not known of outside their catchment. Ask around at the ranges you can reasonably get to.

[Darth_Uno]

Check local clubs. Around here they had an Outlaw 2-Gun. I believe most equipment had to be USPSA legal, but the only restrictions on the weapons themselves were "no .22".

[JCS]

PCSL which is Max Leograndis spinoff is 2 gun.

[Bergeron]

2-gun is cool, and I should be able to start attending monthly 2-gun matches right over the border in Mississippi.

What I am hoping to discuss, and learn more about, would be some pistol-only stuff, particularly if it's matches that have different accuracy/speed combinations than USPSA or IDPA, both of which I like- but I can already go and shoot and experience pretty easily.

[1911Nut]

2-gun is cool, and I should be able to start attending monthly 2-gun matches right over the border in Mississippi.

What I am hoping to discuss, and learn more about, would be some pistol-only stuff, particularly if it's matches that have different accuracy/speed combinations than USPSA or IDPA, both of which I like- but I can already go and shoot and experience pretty easily.

Phoenix Rod & Gun Club hosts a couple of "1 Gun" pistol matches every month that are pretty unique. Contact bruce@1gun.org for details if interested and tell him Ken W. referred you.

[littlejerry]

2-gun is cool, and I should be able to start attending monthly 2-gun matches right over the border in Mississippi.

What I am hoping to discuss, and learn more about, would be some pistol-only stuff, particularly if it's matches that have different accuracy/speed combinations than USPSA or IDPA, both of which I like- but I can already go and shoot and experience pretty easily.


Have you tried steel challenge or Pro Am?

[Bergeron]

Steel Challenge is cool, our local club does one of those a month, and it's where bust out the rimfire fun.

Phoenix has always seemed to me to be one of the real centers of growth, novelty, and skill in shooting. I've only ever visited once, for a job I didn't get, but I greatly admire all the neat stuff that I hear about coming from that area.

[loper77]

Have you looked at NRA Action Pistol? Definitely a different mix of accuracy vs speed. Looks like there is at least 1 club in Louisiana that puts on matches. I'll hopefully be trying my first one in March in production class.

[MVS]

Have you looked at NRA Action Pistol? Definitely a different mix of accuracy vs speed. Looks like there is at least 1 club in Louisiana that puts on matches. I'll hopefully be trying my first one in March in production class.

I was going to say check out NRA Action Pistol/Bianchi Cup. I trained for/competed in a match last year and it was a lot of fun. Definitely a different combination. It is unfortunately dying due to special requirements for ranges and lack of participation. The go fast crowd don't like it because the accuracy requirements are high and the bullseye shooters don't like it because there are time limits.

Also might want to check out Prairie Fire. It might be interesting to see where that goes.

[Mark D]

I was going to say check out NRA Action Pistol/Bianchi Cup. I trained for/competed in a match last year and it was a lot of fun. Definitely a different combination. It is unfortunately dying due to special requirements for ranges and lack of participation. The go fast crowd don't like it because the accuracy requirements are high and the bullseye shooters don't like it because there are time limits.

Also might want to check out Prairie Fire. It might be interesting to see where that goes.
SLG and @JAG have been shooting Prairie Fire, and SLG has written about it on Pistol-Training.com (https://pistol-training.com/prairiefire-rank-championship/). Looks fun.

[MVS]

SLG and @JAG have been shooting Prairie Fire, and SLG has written about it on Pistol-Training.com (https://pistol-training.com/prairiefire-rank-championship/). Looks fun.

I saw that. I qualified to go to the big match in Texas but it was too last minute to take it seriously.

[rob_s]

I haven’t shot matches regular.y in a long time, but when I was shooting regularly I loved a lot of outlaw matches.

Universal Shooting Academy I) Florida hosted my favorite which was the annual Monster Match (around Halloween) run by Shannon Smith. Loosely USPSA rules but with the round count limit thrown out (plus a coupe of others I assume).

The only matche I’ve really shot at all in the last couple of years is Action Steel at OK Corral Gun Club in Okeechobee, FL. Idk if it’s actually some sort of sanctioned thing, but I always assumed it wasn’t. Basically USPSA rules but every target is steel. Other than the Monster Match, funnest match I’ve ever shot and I hope to be able to get to more of them this year (range is an hour away, which presents some challenges).

Finally, I myself ran a non-sanctioned two-gun match on and off for… idk a decade? And my understanding is that “my” match is still going on, presumably under some version of the rules I established. The rules were based on my Timmy world view at the time, but I think they held up and we got pretty decent participation. Main feature was that targets were either neutralized or not. That idea was based on some Timmy-ness but also some administrative-ness of making them easy to score. Dead or not, no standing around adding up hits. Iirc lead” was 2 hits to the A/B or three to the c or better. We also incorporated slung-rifle pistol transitions (*never* hot pistol to rifle) which was (maybe still is?) uncommon at the time and created some draw. Again, more Timmy-fueled than anything but still fun.

[cmoore]

All falling steel matches are my favorite.

[Bergeron]

I do enjoy steel more than paper.

I saw that Handgun Brutality opened up for public registration, which was exciting, but then I saw that it'll be over the Easter weekend, and that was a little sad to see. The rules look cool, and I'm really curious about Brutality-style shooting exclusively with handguns, but family priorities will be sure to make this a no-go for me.