M&P 22 pistol for practice (For a Glock Shooter)

[vaglocker]

I had the Advantage Arms kit for the Glock in the past and wasn't super happy with it. Even though it is just a slide conversion the trigger pull still didn't feel the same. Coupled with the finickyness of it with ammo, and the weight of the slide affecting the overall feel of the gun I ending up selling it. Even though I primarily carry Glocks I've been looking into the M&P 22 as a possible training pistol. I'm looking for feedback from people who experience with the M&P. Is it "close enough" to the Glock that it would be an effective training tool?

[GJM]

I had a conversation with Bill Rogers about this pistol in the last two weeks. He is using it in their basic class, and reporting fantastic results. Said he shot it three days recently in a class, and it helped his centerfire performance.

[VolGrad]

I have owned several AA kits for GLOCKs and feel EXACTLY as you do about them. I sold my last one a month or two ago. I have ZERO regrets. I have also had other conversion kits in the past (1911 conversions, TacSol replacement uppers for rimfire pistols, AR conversions, etc.) and don't think I'll buy another. I prefer dedicated, complete guns. There always somes to be some quirk with a conversion, at least that's been my experience.

I recently traded into a M&P22. I love the feel of the gun. I have read a ton of great reviews and have a few trusted shooting buddies that also have great experiences with the M&P22. I think it's a great choice for a rimfire trainer. The fact it's more like centerfire guns and seems to be less ammo sensitive than even a Ruger 22/45 might give it THE edge.

Does it feel like a GLOCK? Well, no. It feels like a M&P. Would it improve your GLOCK shooting? Probably, just because. Practice, Practice, Practice.

For reference, I regularly shoot both GLOCKs and M&Ps. I own multiples of each.

[Mitchell, Esq.]

I like the Glock .22lr conversion kits.

While the trigger is not the same, I like them because they give me the ability to practice on the cheap, and use the holsters I carry the guns in.

Is it the best kind of practice - no. I'd rather shoot centerfire ammo...but it is the practice I can get, so I feel it's better than nothing.

[TNWNGR]

I purchased a Ruger SR22 for this very reason and have been pleased with how much it has helped me to maintain shooting skills. The trigger pull is not quite the same as a Glock or SR9 but handling is close enough to not matter. I considered 22 LR replacement slides for a Glock 22 but decided against this because I prefer an actual pistol to a conversion kit.

[bigslim]

I have the M&P 22 and love it. I only have 300 rounds through it so far but it is a great companion to my M&P 40. If you look at my training journal http://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?5559-Mike-s-This-Is-Harder-Than-It-Looks-Training-Journal you will see the issues I have had so far. Im not sure if the FTF were magazine related or what but it seems like if I insert the mag to hard the first round will go nose up. Maybe thats it maybe not either way I'm glad I've got the 22 and just picked up another 3300 rounds for it.

Mike

[JonInWA]

I chose a Ruger 22/45 with a slab-side 4.5" barrel in my case to provide me with a multi-purpose analog .22 for my Glocks and 1911s. I added a Pierce Grip rubber fingergroove frontstrap and called it good.

Best, Jon

[Wendell]

The M&P22 is becoming more available, but there is that small matter of the magazine disconnect.

Has anyone posted instructions on it's remedy?

[bigslim]

I found this on AR15.com http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_5_16/120440_.html

It is annoying but since your not supposed to dry fire a 22 I find it to be a huge deal for me.

[vaglocker]

So I took the plunge and picked up the M&P 22 this weekend. Put about 350 rounds through it with maybe 2 FTE, but that is about it as far as malfunctions. Mostly Federal bulk and about 100 Rem Golden Bulllet. It was shooting about 5-6 inches left at 25 yards but I will remedy that next time I go to the range as I didn't bring the sight wrench that came with the gun. Now all I have to do is find some extra mags.

[seabiscuit]

Which ammo were the FTEs with?

[vaglocker]

Which ammo were the FTEs with?

It was with the Federal.

[Chuck Haggard]

I have been very happy with my G17 AA kit, but it is picky about ammo.

I have had very good luck in a number of guns with the CCI ammo made for the .22lr ARs, works very well in pistols as well. Mini Mags are also very good.


I'm looking for a smaller .22 for my wife to use, she carries a Kahr PM9 and doesn't care for my Glocks due to grip size (she has very small hands). The Ruger SR22 looks promising.

[vaglocker]

Another plus with the M&P is that it comes with a threaded barrel (although you need an adapter to attach a can). I don't have a .22 can yet but it's nice to know that it's an option without having to buy a new barrel.

[Up1911Fan]

I shoot mainly M&P's and Glock's and like my M&P22 as a trainer. Use it a lot to work on accuracy, press outs and 1 shot draw's. Mine is kinda sketchy with Federal ammo as well, run's great with CCI and Rem Golden Bullets.

[pr1042]

For those who had/have the AA kits, how exactly did it change the trigger? Lighter? Heavier?

[Little Creek]

So I took the plunge and picked up the M&P 22 this weekend. Put about 350 rounds through it with maybe 2 FTE, but that is about it as far as malfunctions. Mostly Federal bulk and about 100 Rem Golden Bulllet. It was shooting about 5-6 inches left at 25 yards but I will remedy that next time I go to the range as I didn't bring the sight wrench that came with the gun. Now all I have to do is find some extra mags.

I have had a M&P 22 for a few months. It runs great on 40 grain RN "copper/black plated" high speed ammo. By high speed, I mean an advertised velocity of 1255fps. This type of ammo is available in bulk at about $47.00 per thousand plus tax. The promotional bulk packed 36-37 grain hollow points induce malfunctions in many if not most 22 autos, rifle/pistol.

The M&P 22 is a wonderful thing with a "can". I never knew how loud a 22 could make steel plates ring.

[Dave J]

For those who had/have the AA kits, how exactly did it change the trigger? Lighter? Heavier?

On my G19, I didn't experience a significant change. I'm sure individual experiences vary.

FWIW, my AA kit is finicky about magazines. I have two that run well, and two that turn the gun into a jamamatic.

[cmoore]

For those who had/have the AA kits, how exactly did it change the trigger? Lighter? Heavier?

My 19/23 Gen 4 kit has a slightly lighter pull. Now that I have a couple of thousand rounds through it, it's less ammo picky.

[LSP972]

For those who had/have the AA kits, how exactly did it change the trigger? Lighter? Heavier?

I have had one for a long time; over 5K rounds through it. Trigger always seemed the same to me; I have no clue what the OP is talking about. In fact, I use mine for trigger control practice, as the lack of recoil allows you to feel EXACTLY what you did wrong, when you do wrong.

Lately, though, mine has begun to FTE with alarming consistency; like, one or two per magazine. I have always run Mini-Mags in it, and they have been exemplary. But now, it plain doesn't extract the fired case, and about half of those turn into a double-feed. I'm wondering if I need a new extractor and/or spring. The unit has a JPoint mounted, so I'm also wondering if AA will pull a Glock in regards to service- i.e., any modifications, you own it, they won't touch it.

I need to call them; it has just been a low priority.

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[Dave J]

Lately, though, mine has begun to FTE with alarming consistency; like, one or two per magazine....now, it plain doesn't extract the fired case, and about half of those turn into a double-feed. I'm wondering if I need a new extractor and/or spring.

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That's exactly how mine behaves with one of my "bad" magazines. It appears that the mag somehow releases the round in a manner that the rim often doesn't get hooked by the extractor -- at first I'd assumed it was an extractor problem exclusively, but it doesn't happen at all with my other two mags. I haven't had time yet to dig deeper into the problem -- there's no obvious differences between the mags -- but I'm expecting to find a difference in the manner that it releases the round.

Oh, on the original topic, I really like my M&P22 as well.

[LSP972]

That's exactly how mine behaves with one of my "bad" magazines. It appears that the mag somehow releases the round in a manner that the rim often doesn't get hooked by the extractor -- at first I'd assumed it was an extractor problem exclusively, but it doesn't happen at all with my other two mags. I haven't had time yet to dig deeper into the problem -- there's no obvious differences between the mags -- but I'm expecting to find a difference in the manner that it releases the round.


Interesting. I look for things like this when trouble pops up, but I have six magazines. If one was consistently "bad", I think I would have noticed that. But it won't be the first time an obvious culprit escaped my initial attention. I'll definitely zero in on that next time I shoot it.

Thanks for the heads-up.

And I still haven't called AA. No doubt they will say to "send it in"...

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