A new 92--It is SAO

[CraigS]

https://www.beretta.com/en-us/92xi-sao/

[nwhpfan]

Two Words:

Glock Killer


Seriously though. A modern Browning Hi Power and will fit in nicely in USPSA's potential new division: Limited Optics.

I'll take 3.

[GJM]

A problem with the 92 is the tight magwell making reloads harder and LO supposedly allows a magwell.

[feudist]

That makes my boy parts feel funny.

[Noah]

I prefer DA/SA but 10/10 for the looks and feature set. Great release to compete with the current trend of "tactical" SAOs for defensive use. If I competed with a 92X Performance this would be an awesome carry gun.
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[JSGlock34]

That's pretty cool. A Langdon RDO version could get me back into 92s.

[Bernomad]

I can’t wait to get my meat hooks on one of these!

[Noah]

That's pretty cool. A Langdon RDO version could get me back into 92s.

Unfortunately, the fact that this already has Beretta's optic system and then the thumb safety mean Langdon couldn't cut it and then it is not compatible with a complete LTT RDO slide either.

[TheNewbie]

I prefer DA/SA but 10/10 for the looks and feature set. Great release to compete with the current trend of "tactical" SAOs for defensive use. If I competed with a 92X Performance this would be an awesome carry gun.
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I too prefer DA/SA, but least it’s truly a drop safe SAO that is also reliable.

Wish they would do one with a decocker/safety combo sort of like on the Cheetah.

[LukeNCMX]

Unfortunately, the fact that this already has Beretta's optic system and then the thumb safety mean Langdon couldn't cut it and then it is not compatible with a complete LTT RDO slide either.

There are some examples floating around the internet of people who have cut a Langdon RDO slide to accommodate the 92X performance safety so it might be possible.


Beretta needs to release a SKU of this gun with Toni systems plates and factory co-witness RDO sights.

[TheNewbie]

I’m also hoping we see more new things from Beretta this year.

[claymore504]

Looks great to me. Looking forward to reports, but I would expect it to run great. Love that Beretta keeps adding more 92 options!

[Glenn E. Meyer]

Just right for Christmas at Nakatomi. Always like the 92s. Kind of big for my EDC needs. I'm short and couldn't fit through an air vent anyway.

[thatguybryan]

Damn, that looks awesome. Might have to get one.

[GJM]

How is the factory optic mounting system?

[Noah]

How is the factory optic mounting system?


From what I've seen, sturdy, but tall.

Unlike the LTT rig, this setup is a compromise to allow it to use an unchanged firing pin block and convert between irons and a dot.

[HeavyDuty]

From what I've seen, sturdy, but tall.

Unlike the LTT rig, this setup is a compromise to allow it to use an unchanged firing pin block and convert between irons and a dot.

*Really* tall. One at random:

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[CraigS]

I am really glad to see all the new things from Beretta. Looking back over the last 2-3 years, if they are all listed, it is quite phenomenal. I have no interest in SAO. I don't even shoot my XDefensive in idpa in SAO, but I think this is going to bring a whole bunch of people to Beretta and that is a good thing.

[Noah]

*Really* tall. One at random:

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As much as I applaud the direction Beretta has gone with the 92X (aluminum frame) line in the last few years, with the good sights, G versions, great texture, D spring, and now an optic cut and shorter reset trigger bar, I carried a 92X with the LTT cut for a long time starting when it was released and though it's subjective, the height of the optic over my hands just bothered me, and also made the gun carry a lot larger than it used to. As much as I want to try a new 92X RDO, that situation would only be exacerbated. Pic of my old 92X LTT RDO.

Despite the fact that I only own PX4s right now, the 92 is my favorite gun and I like this release if only because it meets market demand and looks darn good doing it.

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[okie john]

https://www.beretta.com/en-us/92xi-sao/

Oy. That's beyond cool.


Okie John

[Suvorov]

So it seems that the straight backstrap has become the new Beretta 92 standard?

[Totem Polar]

That makes my boy parts feel funny.

Because it’s the only 92 that doesn’t have… a decocker?



thankyewverymuch, I’ll be here all weekend.

[Noah]

So it seems that the straight backstrap has become the new Beretta 92 standard?

Yes, likely since they all come with good conversion grips as well, and aftermarket options are growing as well. Standardizing on the Vertec makes sense.

[Suvorov]

Yes, likely since they all come with good conversion grips as well, and aftermarket options are growing as well. Standardizing on the Vertec makes sense.

The only coversion grip I have handled is the one that came with the M9A3. I was not impressed. Then again I am spoiled with G10 grips - it would have been fine for the troops.

[Noah]

The only coversion grip I have handled is the one that came with the M9A3. I was not impressed. Then again I am spoiled with G10 grips - it would have been fine for the troops.


The M9A4 and 92X RDO come with wonderful hard plastic conversion grips with great texture, not the A3 rubber grips. Additionally, Hogue and Lok make G10 conversion grips!

[Ben_G]

Well would ya look at that! Now take this with a grain of salt since I'm probably a biased source; but as a sworn TDA guy, the trigger on this one is adding it to the collection. The trigger shape was developed by the Italian team with input from JJ, and then we mashed that up with our new performance bits to shorten the reset. They're DLC coated, so a 100 trigger pull trigger job does make a difference.

[cyberiad]

From what I've seen, sturdy, but tall.

Unlike the LTT rig, this setup is a compromise to allow it to use an unchanged firing pin block and convert between irons and a dot.

Until recently I had an SRO mounted on a 92XRDO Centurion. The mount works well. It is tall and looks a lot "thicker" from the side than it really is. The factory plate is relatively thin in the center to fit over the curve of the slide. I didn't have any issues, but I didn't put a ton of rounds through it. My only "problem" is that I have too many guns and not enough optics so I keep moving them around.

[Noah]

Until recently I had an SRO mounted on a 92XRDO Centurion. The mount works well. It is tall and looks a lot "thicker" from the side than it really is. The factory plate is relatively thin in the center to fit over the curve of the slide. I didn't have any issues, but I didn't put a ton of rounds through it. My only "problem" is that I have too many guns and not enough optics so I keep moving them around.

If I did get one, I'd want an SRO for the big window or an ACSS Vulcan.

I'll also say this, an SRO on someone else's LTT 92 did feel better than my Holosun 407. More "open" gun vs just feeling tall.

[Bernomad]

Well would ya look at that!

Just look at it!

It will be great to see this at the local local store. I wonder when they will appear?

[HeavyDuty]

As much as I applaud the direction Beretta has gone with the 92X (aluminum frame) line in the last few years, with the good sights, G versions, great texture, D spring, and now an optic cut and shorter reset trigger bar, I carried a 92X with the LTT cut for a long time starting when it was released and though it's subjective, the height of the optic over my hands just bothered me, and also made the gun carry a lot larger than it used to. As much as I want to try a new 92X RDO, that situation would only be exacerbated.

LTT releasing the much lower profile EPS cut is what finally got me to try a 92:

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[Noah]

LTT releasing the much lower profile EPS cut is what finally got me to try a 92:

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Yes, that looks fantastic.

[Ben_G]

Just look at it!

It will be great to see this at the local local store. I wonder when they will appear?

I don't know the ETA to LGSs, but we had already started building inventory before the new year. If you really want to see them locally, make sure to tell your local shop. Some of our buyers have a tendency to sticking to just reordering the SKUs they know about like the standard commercial M9 or 92F, and that's it.

[Danjojo]

It's a beauty and a very, very smart move with the 2011/similar wave going on.

[Sal Picante]

A problem with the 92 is the tight magwell making reloads harder and LO supposedly allows a magwell.

You could always grind it down...

p/BPwjp15g90H

[Sal Picante]

There are some examples floating around the internet of people who have cut a Langdon RDO slide to accommodate the 92X performance safety so it might be possible.


Beretta needs to release a SKU of this gun with Toni systems plates and factory co-witness RDO sights.

You mean like this?

p/Cb3oidKL64q

[Shawn Dodson]

"SAO"

LOL

Like an SA trigger can do anything else.

Beretta apparently felt compelled to add "Only" so the stupid can understand.

Jeff Cooper would be turning in his grave if someone referred to a 1911 as "SAO".

[El Cid]

"SAO"

LOL

Like an SA trigger can do anything else.

Beretta apparently felt compelled to add "Only" so the stupid can understand.

Jeff Cooper would be turning in his grave if someone referred to a 1911 as "SAO".

Pretty sure they call it that because a DA/SA gun can be shot SA. Sig does the same for its guns that only shoot in SA mode.

[El Cid]

The only coversion grip I have handled is the one that came with the M9A3. I was not impressed. Then again I am spoiled with G10 grips - it would have been fine for the troops.

I have these on my M9A3 and am very happy. The rubberized were fine for target shooting but catch clothing for concealment.

https://www.beretta.com/en-us/gun-accessories/handguns/beretta-92x-full-size-m9a3-vertec-wraparound-g10-grips/

[Shawn Dodson]

Pretty sure they call it that because a DA/SA gun can be shot SA. Sig does the same for its guns that only shoot in SA mode.
"DA/SA" was invented for those that can't understand how the "DA" trigger mechanism on an automatic pistol functions. "DA/SA" refers to trigger mode, not the type of trigger mechanism ("DA").

"SAO" and "DA/SA" are terminology for the firearms illiterate.

[cathellsk]

I can’t believe no one has noticed the Roman numeral play on words in the name of the pistol.
92XI is 9211 (as in 1911 with the SAO and frame safety).

[Joe in PNG]

"SAO" and "DA/SA" are terminology for the firearms illiterate.

Then again, Firearms Illiterate sadly describes a majority of gun owners.

[JonInWA]

I'm sure this is a great 92 variant, and a great pistol option in general. I'm a little surprised that Beretta hasn't offered a SAO option for the PX4 as well (sorry, Shawn, but you're missing the point of the descriptions, unless I'm one of the illeterati).

The progenitor of the 92 was the Model 1951, which was SAO. The early Model 92 had a frame-mounted safety, so it could be DA/SA (with the manual safety engaged or not) or SAO (cocked and safety engaged). It wasn't until the 92S that the 92 assumed the safety configuration it has today for its DA/SA variants, with the slide-mounted safety.

Best, Jon

[Suvorov]

I can’t believe no one has noticed the Roman numeral play on words in the name of the pistol.
92XI is 9211 (as in 1911 with the SAO and frame safety).

That is way cool!

[HeavyDuty]

I can’t believe no one has noticed the Roman numeral play on words in the name of the pistol.
92XI is 9211 (as in 1911 with the SAO and frame safety).

Or the first ten blew up?

[CSW]

How is the factory optic mounting system?


*Really* tall. One at random:

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Very Tall.

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[Noah]

"SAO"

LOL

Like an SA trigger can do anything else.

Beretta apparently felt compelled to add "Only" so the stupid can understand.

Jeff Cooper would be turning in his grave if someone referred to a 1911 as "SAO".

"SAO" is very common terminology? First time I've ever seen anyone have some moral problem with it. Beretta definitely didn't invent it...

[wsr]

"SAO"

LOL

Like an SA trigger can do anything else.

Beretta apparently felt compelled to add "Only" so the stupid can understand.

Jeff Cooper would be turning in his grave if someone referred to a 1911 as "SAO".

Lol…it accurately describes the trigger I mean it’s not like beretta has made models in DA/SA with decocker and safety, DA/SA with decocker only , DAO, DA/SA that can be carried cocked and locked and SAO that can be carried cocked and locked

[Bernomad]

I don't know the ETA to LGSs, but we had already started building inventory before the new year. If you really want to see them locally, make sure to tell your local shop. Some of our buyers have a tendency to sticking to just reordering the SKUs they know about like the standard commercial M9 or 92F, and that's it.

Sounds like a plan. I’ll talk to my LGS. It’s really a privilege to have your input on this forum. Thank you for communicating with us. Happy new year!

[TheNewbie]

Again, my wish is that we see more TDA options from Beretta, but even if this is it, I appreciate what Beretta is doing. While SAO isn’t my cup of tea, I would take this over any 2011 or a Sig P320. Plus this will be very popular with people, and will only help the 92 series.

Thank you @ Ben_G for participating here.

[Sensei]

Again, my wish is that we see more TDA options from Beretta, but even if this is it, I appreciate what Beretta is doing. While SAO isn’t my cup of tea, I would take this over any 2011 or a Sig P320. Plus this will be very popular with people, and will only help the 92 series.

Thank you @ Ben_G for participating here.

In the other thread a few days ago I told you that my delusions for 2023 were a SAO Beretta 92 line, expanded Sig X-5 line, and complete access to HK’s rifle lineup. Well, I’m batting in the 300s…;)

[Super77]

"SAO"

Beretta apparently felt compelled to add "Only" so the stupid can understand.


Beretta didn’t invent that acronym. It’s in common usage.

[Shawn Dodson]

"SAO" is very common terminology? First time I've ever seen anyone have some moral problem with it. Beretta definitely didn't invent it...

SAO was invented by SIG for the stupid.

Adding "Only" to "Single Action" is redundant. What else can an SA trigger do besides drop a cocked hammer that requires "only" to further limit what kind of trigger mechanism it is?

No moral issue here. Just cranky that we have to continue dumbing down firearms terminology for the derp among us.

[Bergeron]

This is a super sexy announcement. If anyone with fewer projects in the queue than myself wants to send one of these off to Dave Sams, please do let us know how it turns out.

[Bernomad]

SAO was invented by SIG for the stupid.

Adding "Only" to "Single Action" is redundant.

Hot water heater.

[Ben_G]

In the other thread a few days ago I told you that my delusions for 2023 were a SAO Beretta 92 line, expanded Sig X-5 line, and complete access to HK’s rifle lineup. Well, I’m batting in the 300s…;)

Yeah, I saw that and had a good chuckle. Unfortunately I can't really do much about those other 2 except agree they'd be awesome.

[Chuck Whitlock]

Every time I try to click on the link, it goes to a generic Beretta page. :confused:

[mcgivro]

Link in OP goes to the Beretta homepage…

[Chuck Whitlock]

Link in OP goes to the Beretta homepage…

And you can type "92xi" in the search bar, but clicking on the icon takes you right back to the home page.

[Polecat]

That is sweet. I was looking at a performance, but just couldn’t get past the weight. This is nice. I recently jumped on the 92x bandwagon, and gotta say it is ALOT of pistol for the money.

[Bernomad]

And you can type "92xi" in the search bar, but clicking on the icon takes you right back to the home page.

You’re right. I can no longer access it. They maybe working on the website?

[Noah]

You’re right. I can no longer access it. They maybe working on the website?

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[El Cid]

You’re right. I can no longer access it. They maybe working on the website?

Or someone screwed up and it wasn’t supposed to be released? I thought it odd there was nothing in emails or social media.

[Hambo]

I bought my first 92F almost 35 years ago, and had there been SA/SAO 92 options then, I'd have bought them. Now, all I can muster is a meh for them. I don't see any advantage over a 92G with a TJIAB and LTT RDO slide.

[CraigS]

Well this sucks. The info is still up on the Beretta forum w/ all the pics still there. But the original link, as mentioned already, goes to Beretta generic site. Hambo I agree, I don't really want one. I even shoot my 92X Defensive in idpa in DA/SA mode. But there are a lot of people who have never shot a 92 w/ a DA pull 5# or less and smooth as butter and/or just prefer SAO guns, so I think there is a market. At my local idpa matches I would bet that the king of malfunctions is a 9mm 1911 so this gun could work out really well for those shooters.

[TheNewbie]

Kudos to Beretta for a quality thumb safety as well. Why more manufacturers can’t make one as nice is beyond me. If you’re going to make the effort to put a TS on your product, then make it excellent.

[HeavyDuty]

I wish LTT could work their magic and find a way of adapting their RDO plates to these and other Beretta factory RDO slides.

[Bergeron]

As a last resort, I wonder if it might be possible to buy all the converted/changed parts, including plates, from LTT, and make pleading sounds with one or another of the other Beretta-specific gunsmiths, to see who, if any, might be willing.

[HeavyDuty]

Wait, what - *two* new pistols? These are listed as TDA - does that mean there are three with frame mounted safety?

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[Noah]

Wait, what - *two* new pistols? These are listed as TDA - does that mean there are three with frame mounted safety?

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These both came out last year. Optic ready 92X Performance variants, one being lighter for IDPA. DA/SA with frame mounted safety and no decocker.

[HeavyDuty]

These both came out last year. Optic ready 92X Performance variants, one being lighter for IDPA. DA/SA with frame mounted safety and no decocker.

I never noticed. Carry on!

[TGS]

Any idea if this will be available with the standard framed grip?

[vcdgrips]

Edge of my lane

Sub 1K
Mags cheap and plentiful
Platform is known and reliable
Heavy and absorbing of recoil
RDS ready with plates for all common platforms (Leopoldo/Trijicon/Aimpoint etc)

Color me intrigued.

[Hstanton1]

Any idea if this will be available with the standard framed grip?

I doubt it, but the new 92x conversion grips are pretty damn good in terms of replicating a traditional 92 grip.

[Exiledviking]

I have these on my M9A3 and am very happy. The rubberized were fine for target shooting but catch clothing for concealment.

https://www.beretta.com/en-us/gun-accessories/handguns/beretta-92x-full-size-m9a3-vertec-wraparound-g10-grips/

I wish I could buy those exact grips without the extra material (for the Vertec style frame) for my 50% LTT 92 Elite. Those look great and made from G10 are perfect.

[zaitcev]

SAO was invented by SIG for the stupid.

Better SAO than TDA. What a hipster acronym.

[SoCalDep]

SAO was invented by SIG for the stupid.

Adding "Only" to "Single Action" is redundant. What else can an SA trigger do besides drop a cocked hammer that requires "only" to further limit what kind of trigger mechanism it is?

No moral issue here. Just cranky that we have to continue dumbing down firearms terminology for the derp among us.

I disagree that the term is redundant. It might be if the only single action carry-capable pistols in one’s mind are 1911s and Hi-Powers (Merica!). With the proliferation of pistols that can be carried in both a DA configuration or SA “cocked and locked” such as a CZ-75 and it’s numerous clones, or pistols that are traditionally DA with some model or generational designs allowing both, using the term SAO differentiates these designs from those dual function models.

The same can be said for DA/SA as we have SA revolvers and DA revolvers and DAO revolvers. When semi automatic pistols gained popularity, clarity required something to differentiate the operation of a traditional double action handgun from the “at-the-time” current and somewhat universal understanding of the DA revolver, while also specifying those semi-auto pistols that did function like revolvers… so you have DAO (the “O” to emphasize no SA function) and DA/SA, to emphasize that the semi was not the same as a DA revolver.

Cool thing is we can use the terms we want to use while at the same time recognizing that there are people new to shooting, or who simply don’t follow shooting subjects as obsessively as many of us, who need better explanations of things that us hipster (see other thread) shooters take for granted.

[Basher]

Super late to the thread but… why did they use those awful vertical slide serrations?? The canted Elite serrations look way better.

I know, I know, how a handgun looks is generally pretty low on the totem pole, but… WTF Beretta? You guys are one of the last holdouts for gorgeous, curvy, non-plastic guns. Try harder lol.

That being said, following with potential interest for when they put the site back up.

[mcgivro]

I can’t wait for Beretta to figure out that it’s possible to have an optics-ready pistol that doesn’t require a ridiculously high mount. They might as well put a rail on top like a Ruger .22.

[Joe in PNG]

I can’t wait for Beretta to figure out that it’s possible to have an optics-ready pistol that doesn’t require a ridiculously high mount. They might as well put a rail on top like a Ruger .22.

The problem is in the design of the classic 92 slide. It's got those beautiful curves for one, and an important part of the safety mechanism right where the cut needs to go.

They would need too make a more blocky & square slide with a re-jiggered safety mechanism like the Vector SP1.

[coN]

No grey anodized frame? Looks like I'm sticking to my original idea of purchasing an Inox 92FS to compliment my 92X

[Sensei]

I have a 92 Performance Defensive that is pictured below.

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At roughly 43 ounces, it is basically a brigadier on steroids with a frame mounted safety. Thus, the gun is essentially a TDA pistol that can be safely carried cocked and locked. However, if you require DA/SA carry, the DA trigger is quite reasonable at only 7.5 lbs - almost indistinguishable from my 92-series guns that have a LTT TJIAB. The SA trigger has some take up that is noticeable rougher and longer than my Sig P226 X-Five SAO, but has a crisp break at ~3.5 lbs. Reset is just a bit longer than the X-Five. It is very accurate - approaching my X-Five which retails for $600 more.

I suspect that this new line can be made to have very similar (ie favorable) trigger characteristics in a package closer to 25-33 ounces assuming that you don’t need the extra weight.

[Moshjath]

I wish I could buy those exact grips without the extra material (for the Vertec style frame) for my 50% LTT 92 Elite. Those look great and made from G10 are perfect.

This is what you’re looking for. Hogue OEMs those G10 conversion grips for Beretta, here they are for a traditional M9/92FS frame.

https://www.hogueinc.com/grips/beretta-grips/92-96-series-m9-full-size/extreme-series-g10/beretta-92-checkered-g10-black

[CraigS]

I wish I could buy those exact grips without the extra material (for the Vertec style frame) for my 50% LTT 92 Elite. Those look great and made from G10 are perfect. There are several manufacturers making G10 grips for 92s. My favorite are the super aggressives;
https://www.stonercnc.com/berettatauruspt92grips
Others;
https://langdontactical.com/products/parts-mags/92-96-m9-series/?page=3
https://vzgrips.com/shop-all/semi-auto-pistol-grips/beretta-92-grips/
https://lokgrips.com/beretta

[Bigghoss]

I have a DAO 92X, so why not get a SAO 92X? What else am I gonna do with my money? Be responsible? That's just crazy talk. Just need to pick up a couple OT shifts since I don't have a life...

[JHC]

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Any more info available on this one? It's really taking over my brain. ;) I dig the 92. Today I don't really want to add another manual of arms to my Glock/1911 shooting.

[CraigS]

Just a WAG here but I am thinking Shot SHow. Jan 17, 2023.

[Ben_G]

More official information on this will be coming out at SHOT. The product page went up early, so it's redirecting back to the homepage for now. That said, I believe the folks at Beretta Forum snagged an archived copy of that in-process product page.

If it's a basic or general question, I might be able to answer it as well at this point.

[JHC]

More official information on this will be coming out at SHOT. The product page went up early, so it's redirecting back to the homepage for now. That said, I believe the folks at Beretta Forum snagged an archived copy of that in-process product page.

If it's a basic or general question, I might be able to answer it as well at this point.

Thank you! Do you know what the MSRP is yet? And do they have an idea when it will be shipping?

[Ben_G]

Thank you! Do you know what the MSRP is yet? And do they have an idea when it will be shipping?

That product page had the correct MSRP of $949. We've been building up inventory, but with how many steps/releases are between being built at the factory, shipped to the warehouse, sent to distribution, then out to shops (especially with a lot of our staff currently doing SHOT prep, and then we're at the show next week), I can't say for certain exactly when people will be able to get hands-on locally. Week of SHOT would obviously be the earliest, but by end of January is honestly the most realistic.

[JHC]

That product page had the correct MSRP of $949. We've been building up inventory, but with how many steps/releases are between being built at the factory, shipped to the warehouse, sent to distribution, then out to shops (especially with a lot of our staff currently doing SHOT prep, and then we're at the show next week), I can't say for certain exactly when people will be able to get hands-on locally. Week of SHOT would obviously be the earliest, but by end of January is honestly the most realistic.

Excellent info. Anytime in Q1 would be pretty quick IMO. Very nice.

[CraigS]

Thanks Ben. Let me also say we all really appreciate your taking time to look through the forum and pop in w/ official info.

[LockedBreech]

If money was not an object I'd probably own about 50 Berettas and not just the 7 I own currently. They are pretty dang good at making stuff I want.

[Bernomad]

It is very likely that I will be buying this when I get my hands on one.

[AdioSS]

Ben, that product page said the slide finish was in Bruniton, but it is grey in the pictures. Is it some other kind of coating?

[Ben_G]

Ben, that product page said the slide finish was in Bruniton, but it is grey in the pictures. Is it some other kind of coating?

That product page was legitimately live early, so some info on there was placeholders from the base 90 series page. It's a custom mix Cerakote that they helped us tweak to get the right color and sheen we were looking for. Before anyone asks, the mill that makes our Inox blend for stainless steel has been slammed since the beginning of the supply chain crisis; that's still an open pain point for us and we're prioritizing it's use on items that are already specced for it.

[Noah]

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[irascible_joe]

Looks like the page is back up on Beretta's site, along with a "launch edition" with wood grips and silver finish/black controls. I'm wondering if that's a mix of anodized/stainless/cerakote or all-cerakote.

92XI SAO Launch Edition (https://www.beretta.com/en-us/92xi-sao-launch-edition/)

[Bernomad]

Looks like the page is back up on Beretta's site, along with a "launch edition" with wood grips and silver finish/black controls. I'm wondering if that's a mix of anodized/stainless/cerakote or all-cerakote.

92XI SAO Launch Edition (https://www.beretta.com/en-us/92xi-sao-launch-edition/)

I’m not sure. It’s pretty fancy though! Im more interested in the non-launch edition. Looking forward to seeing how soon the are available to mortal consumers. I’ve already asked my LGS’s. They had no idea what I was talking about.

[Ben_G]

It's all cerakote. We wanted a clean uniform appearance, plus the complications with our stainless mill.

We're trying something new this year where we do limited run special launch edition models to really drive some interest. This one, the multi-tone bronze and stainless (actual stainless) 80X with leather case, and the black tiger stripe A300 are ment to grab attention for folks outside of circles as tapped in as this one.

[Vista461]

I can’t believe no one has noticed the Roman numeral play on words in the name of the pistol.
92XI is 9211 (as in 1911 with the SAO and frame safety).

Just saw a TFB TV YouTube video with a Beretta rep that referred to it as a 9211, winner winner chicken dinner. Lol

[krav51]

any rumors of a compact version?

[AJD21]

It's all cerakote. We wanted a clean uniform appearance, plus the complications with our stainless mill.

We're trying something new this year where we do limited run special launch edition models to really drive some interest. This one, the multi-tone bronze and stainless (actual stainless) 80X with leather case, and the black tiger stripe A300 are ment to grab attention for folks outside of circles as tapped in as this one.

I’m I reading right that you will be doing a stainless 80X?

[JSGlock34]

That's pretty cool. A Langdon RDO version could get me back into 92s.


Unfortunately, the fact that this already has Beretta's optic system and then the thumb safety mean Langdon couldn't cut it and then it is not compatible with a complete LTT RDO slide either.

This is a problem for me.:cool:

Soldier Systems: Langdon Tactical Expands RDO Solution for Beretta 92 Pistols at NRAAM Indianapolis (https://soldiersystems.net/2023/04/13/langdon-tactical-expands-rdo-solution-for-beretta-92-pistols-at-nraam-indianapolis/)

Previously, only 92 pistols with Vertec slides (Elite LTT, 92X, M9A3, etc) could be cut for the LTT Red Dot Optic (RDO) solution. The Gungineering team at LTT, led by Ernest Langdon, now has an RDO solution for the 92X Performance, Brigadier, 92FS, 92D, including Beretta’s newest additions, the M9A4, 92XI and other Beretta-production RDO models.

[Joe in PNG]

This is a problem for me.:cool:

Soldier Systems: Langdon Tactical Expands RDO Solution for Beretta 92 Pistols at NRAAM Indianapolis (https://soldiersystems.net/2023/04/13/langdon-tactical-expands-rdo-solution-for-beretta-92-pistols-at-nraam-indianapolis/)

Previously, only 92 pistols with Vertec slides (Elite LTT, 92X, M9A3, etc) could be cut for the LTT Red Dot Optic (RDO) solution. The Gungineering team at LTT, led by Ernest Langdon, now has an RDO solution for the 92X Performance, Brigadier, 92FS, 92D, including Beretta’s newest additions, the M9A4, 92XI and other Beretta-production RDO models.


SQUEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Bernomad]

I have yet to see a 92XI at a gun store in Iowa. Is anybody else seeing these in stock locally?

[MountainRaven]

I have yet to see a 92XI at a gun store in Iowa. Is anybody else seeing these in stock locally?

I have. It didn't last long.

[DMF13]

"DA/SA" was invented for those that can't understand how the "DA" trigger mechanism on an automatic pistol functions. "DA/SA" refers to trigger mode, not the type of trigger mechanism ("DA").

"SAO" and "DA/SA" are terminology for the firearms illiterate.


https://youtu.be/syV2LkGpQB0

[SoCalDep]

This is a problem for me.:cool:

Soldier Systems: Langdon Tactical Expands RDO Solution for Beretta 92 Pistols at NRAAM Indianapolis (https://soldiersystems.net/2023/04/13/langdon-tactical-expands-rdo-solution-for-beretta-92-pistols-at-nraam-indianapolis/)

Previously, only 92 pistols with Vertec slides (Elite LTT, 92X, M9A3, etc) could be cut for the LTT Red Dot Optic (RDO) solution. The Gungineering team at LTT, led by Ernest Langdon, now has an RDO solution for the 92X Performance, Brigadier, 92FS, 92D, including Beretta’s newest additions, the M9A4, 92XI and other Beretta-production RDO models.


This is neat. Lots of people on my department are gonna be happy!

[Hambo]

I'll be sending a 92FS slide. :D

[GlockenSpiel]

I thought everything 92 that did not have Beretta's rdo cut could already get the Langdon cut before? I.e. the 92fs, 92a1 could get the original Langdon cut. Sounds like this is a new cut to go from Beretta rdo to Langdon rdo.

[JSGlock34]

I thought everything 92 that did not have Beretta's rdo cut could already get the Langdon cut before? I.e. the 92fs, 92a1 could get the original Langdon cut. Sounds like this is a new cut to go from Beretta rdo to Langdon rdo.

No - the deck height of various Beretta slides are different. Believe the earlier version was limited to Vertec slides (92X, M9A3, LTT Elite) and the 92A1. Brigadiers were not available. Also I don’t believe the internal parts had been developed to support the D or SAO guns. But agreed that the Beretta RDO cut is no longer an impediment. Options are good!

[Dorsai]

I swore I wasn't going to buy another gun. I've got several 92's, I don't need another. But I'm wondering how this with a trigger job, would compare to a Staccato. At half the cost.

[CSW]

I purchased a compact from a forum member, and I believe that the slide's going to LTT to mimic the Centurion slide. The dual illumination RMR I chose is a love hate relationship;
Love the no battery/low light part, hate the flaring in bright sun. Found that a paster placed upon the top of the light collector does a good job of reducing the flare of bright sun.

Have the RMRcc on the 1911...like it, but have to rely on a battery. Such struggles in life.


The candidate.

http://i.imgur.com/Rtf7POQl.jpg (https://imgur.com/Rtf7POQ)

Here's the Compact, wearing the Centurion slide.

http://i.imgur.com/RexcbB4l.jpg (https://imgur.com/RexcbB4)

[echo5charlie]

Based on a non-scientific study of one, I was very shocked by how shitty the trigger was. Gritty, stagey, and heavy - nothing clean or crisp about it. I'd be pissed if I had ordered it.

[Moshjath]

103569

Saw this on social media this morning, appears to be factory back up irons suitable for 92x Red Dot mounting at the NRA show Beretta booth.

[Lon]

Ben Stoeger just posted on IG about 92X cracked barrels @20k rounds. First I’d heard of it. Granted, I don’t keep up with 92 stuff as much anymore.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CrCd82oLPn4/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

[Hstanton1]

Ben Stoeger just posted on IG about 92X cracked barrels @20k rounds. First I’d heard of it. Granted, I don’t keep up with 92 stuff as much anymore.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CrCd82oLPn4/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

Saw that the other day. He loves stirring the pot, I’m surprised he never had issues with that when he was shooting elite IIs.

[CSW]

Ben Stoeger just posted on IG about 92X cracked barrels @20k rounds. First I’d heard of it. Granted, I don’t keep up with 92 stuff as much anymore.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CrCd82oLPn4/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=


Saw that the other day. He loves stirring the pot, I’m surprised he never had issues with that when he was shooting elite IIs.

There's a thread on beretta forum that anyother member has the same issue.


https://berettaforum.net/vb/showthread.php?t=154087

[Bucky]

Saw that the other day. He loves stirring the pot, I’m surprised he never had issues with that when he was shooting elite IIs.

Elite IIs were made 15+ years ago, and at a different plant. I’m unaware of any issues (up until now), just pointing out a lot has changed since then. That said, happy to still have a couple. :)

[YVK]

Weird shit. Andreas is a good dude, I think his beef is legit. Someone is making a noise out of him running a 9 lbs recoil spring but I thought that was a preferred setup for strong B92 shooters. Les Pepperoni

[Lon]

Weird shit. Andreas is a good dude, I think his beef is legit. Someone is making a noise out of him running a 9 lbs recoil spring but I thought that was a preferred setup for strong B92 shooters. Les Pepperoni

With the understanding that I have ZERO engineering experience/knowledge whatsoever - to me, it doesn’t make sense that cracks that are somehow related to the recoil spring would be where they are in the pictures I’ve seen. The few pics I’ve seen are around the chamber. Which would make me think they had something to do with the pressure in the chamber. Which makes me wonder if it is a metallurgy issue or did they change the chamber wall thickness? Anyone with an old 92FS and a 92X got a set of micrometers?

[EVP]

There's a thread on beretta forum that anyother member has the same issue.


https://berettaforum.net/vb/showthread.php?t=154087

Is there another guy in the thread that mentioned issues? To my understanding it’s the same guy, but I did not want to read through 9 pages on the Beretta forum.


How many people have had a b92 barrel crack? Seems to me like something isolated to this model and barrel. Maybe a bad production run barrels or such, who knows except Beretta?


What is not cool seems to be Berettas response to these issues. Seems like GyroF-16 frame did not make it to 20k on his comp LTT gun.

It would be great if Beretta had the reputation of quickly fixing/replacing broken guns or parts.

[elgrecoski]

How many people have had a b92 barrel crack? Seems to me like something isolated to this model and barrel. Maybe a bad production run barrels or such, who knows except Beretta?

If I had to guess this is caused by proof testing for the Italian manufactured barrels.

I'm sure some Elite LTT guns have seen similar round counts and we don't see any reports of this issue with US barrels. I doubt that the US barrels out of Gallatin are subject to the same proofing.

[Sal Picante]

Weird shit. Andreas is a good dude, I think his beef is legit. Someone is making a noise out of him running a 9 lbs recoil spring but I thought that was a preferred setup for strong B92 shooters. Les Pepperoni

Andreas' guns are the only ones I've ever seen with this issue. I know him just from the competitive shooting "landscape", and don't think he's misrepresenting his experience.
I'm baffled at Beretta's customer service response, but, well, IDK really know what to say there.

In my experience with Wilson BrigTacs and Langdon LTT's, I've had a overwhelmingly positive time.
I've had 1 locking block crack and had broken a front sight - a lot of my experience was documented here (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?4408-Les-Journal&p=562419&viewfull=1#post562419), inside my journal on the forum.

IDK what to say - I have not so much through the steel guns.

[Dorsai]

I went ahead and picked one up today. I got the two-tone. I've got to check my parts box and see if I have a spare steel extended mag release and steel recoil spring guide. The feel of steel instead of plastic is slight, but noticeable. The left side safety lever is too small for my thumb. I have to shift my grip ever so slightly to get my thumb on the pad. The Performance version sticks out farther and I've sourced a left side lever for $84. Beretta and other sources have the XL safety set that also projects further to the rear. I'll also check the box for a lighter mainspring, which I know I've got. I've seen a video showing replacement of some of the springs, etc. that lower the trigger pull weight to 3lb or so, but honestly, I don't need that. I also compared it to the Staccato and yes, the Staccato has a lighter trigger, better reset and better safety levers/position, but it's 3x the cost. I'm not planning on installing an RDO.

[YVK]

IDK what to say - I have not so much through the steel guns.

What recoil spring do you use? Mine were set with 9 and 10 when used the Berettas. Didn't have any issues but my round counts were low.

[MountainRaven]

Based on a non-scientific study of one, I was very shocked by how shitty the trigger was. Gritty, stagey, and heavy - nothing clean or crisp about it. I'd be pissed if I had ordered it.

The one I saw did not have a wonderful trigger, but probably about on par with most of the SAO-converted service wondernines, like CZ 75s, P226 SAOs, &c. Better than the SA-35 they had in the case.

[LukeNCMX]

I thought all the issues were exclusive to the 92x Performance guns. The more popular issue was extraction problems with reloaded brass (still 100% unacceptable). I didn’t get the vibe Stoeger and company were dissing on the classic 92 guns.

[Ben_G]

I can't comment to the CS response, but on the product side: the 92X Performance uses the standard 92 barrel. There is not a specific line or allocation to the Performance line as far as I'm aware, and as it's an Italian gun all major components (barrel slide and frame) are proofed to CIP standards at the Italian National proof house (a 3rd party tester) before we're allowed to ship them. This is to say the Performance uses the same standard barrel out of pretty much every carbon steel barrel 92 Italy ships, and all of these have documented government proof testing.

I don't know what the specific loading spec, brass condition, or case gauges the shooter in question was using on his reloads, but do I know we document repeatedly that use of reloads voids our warranty and that this shooter has said he was shooting reloads through the guns in question.

[awp_101]

I’m thinking when it comes time to fill the “SAO version of a DA/SA” hole in the safe, it will be a 92XI. I’ve thought about the 226 and CZs but I’m already set up to support the 92 series so it just makes sense.

My dealer’s website shows options with 10, 15 and 18 round mags. I understand the 10 for restricted locales but is there a difference between the 15 and 18 round versions besides the mags?

[Noah]

I’m thinking when it comes time to fill the “SAO version of a DA/SA” hole in the safe, it will be a 92XI. I’ve thought about the 226 and CZs but I’m already set up to support the 92 series so it just makes sense.

My dealer’s website shows options with 10, 15 and 18 round mags. I understand the 10 for restricted locales but is there a difference between the 15 and 18 round versions besides the mags?

Doesn't Colorado and maybe some other state or city have a 15 round limit?

[45dotACP]

Doesn't Colorado and maybe some other state or city have a 15 round limit?Illinois has a 15 round limit

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[awp_101]

Ah, that could be it. Thanks!

[Ben_G]

The 15 round variants are purely for states with 15rd capacity limits. There used to be a larger number of states under that restriction, but a number of them have moved into the 10rd category.

Protip: on some guns that have a big backlog on 18rd SKUs, sometimes asking a dealer to check the 15 or 10 rd model will have an option to ship immediately if you're okay on mags.

[awp_101]

The 15 round variants are purely for states with 15rd capacity limits. There used to be a larger number of states under that restriction, but a number of them have moved into the 10rd category.

Protip: on some guns that have a big backlog on 18rd SKUs, sometimes asking a dealer to check the 15 or 10 rd model will have an option to ship immediately if you're okay on mags.

Let's be honest here. Are any of us ever really ok on mags? I mean, I always seem to find a reason to need at least 1 more mag than I already have! ;)

[Bigghoss]

Doesn't Colorado and maybe some other state or city have a 15 round limit?

Colorado still has a 15-round limit.

[paherne]

I swore I wasn't going to buy another gun. I've got several 92's, I don't need another. But I'm wondering how this with a trigger job, would compare to a Staccato. At half the cost.

Well, it will be more reliable than the Staccato and magazines will be plentiful and more reliable, too. I'm heavily invested in the Staccato platform, over $6k in 2 pistols, mags and holsters and I would buy the Beretta except I live in CA and am no longer a peace officer that can buy off-roster pistols.

[Dorsai]

Well, it will be more reliable than the Staccato and magazines will be plentiful and more reliable, too. I'm heavily invested in the Staccato platform, over $6k in 2 pistols, mags and holsters and I would buy the Beretta except I live in CA and am no longer a peace officer that can buy off-roster pistols.

I thought the roster was gone now.

[paherne]

I thought the roster was gone now.

Unfortunately, we wait. The microstamping requirement was dropped by the kommissars of CA, but the list still remains.

[Hambo]

What recoil spring do you use? Mine were set with 9 and 10 when used the Berettas. Didn't have any issues but my round counts were low.

That's pretty light.


I can't comment to the CS response, but on the product side: the 92X Performance uses the standard 92 barrel. There is not a specific line or allocation to the Performance line as far as I'm aware, and as it's an Italian gun all major components (barrel slide and frame) are proofed to CIP standards at the Italian National proof house (a 3rd party tester) before we're allowed to ship them. This is to say the Performance uses the same standard barrel out of pretty much every carbon steel barrel 92 Italy ships, and all of these have documented government proof testing.

I don't know what the specific loading spec, brass condition, or case gauges the shooter in question was using on his reloads, but do I know we document repeatedly that use of reloads voids our warranty and that this shooter has said he was shooting reloads through the guns in question.

I've voided the warranty on my Brig 35-40K times without issues, but I run standard run standard power springs and replace when needed.

[LukeNCMX]

Yeah I love Beretta 92s but the issue over reloads is junk. The shooter in question is a GM running minor power factor reloads. A competition pistol that can’t manage 20k rounds of minor PF loads is unacceptable.

The 9lb recoil spring was a recommendation from Stoeger who ran a zillion rounds through classic 92s with no issue.

Enough people (turnbull, andreas, gun thots guy) have had issues with the 92x Performance guns that there is probably something wrong with those examples of those guns and not shooter errors.

[e_stern]

My $0.02 on this. Dude broke two 92 barrels that come from standard production (There is no difference between a 92A1, 92FS (Italian), or 92X Perf barrel) in the EXACT same way with reloads.

I don't care if he's running 130PF, there are a lot of ways to screw it up. Two failures of the exact same nature with reloads, when hundreds of (S)thousands(/S) millions of rounds have been thrown downrange through the same design for 50 years says to me that he borked something.

Cartridge OAL problems can cause pressure spikes for instance, and everyone here on PF knows this.

Extractor tension issues have nothing to do with a dude blowing up a barrel on his gun with his reloads. I don't know the reason for the issues there as I'm not plugged in to Giovanni anymore, but there's an easy and quick fix for that, 8000 Cougar Extractor spring (P/N C53361) or the Wilson 150% Extractor spring will fix it if you have the issue (I never did in the years I messed with the pistol, but fixed a couple in that fashion for friends since I left Beretta).

As an aside, if you shoot reloads through my current company's product and destroy it, you're on your own. Doesn't matter what it is or what the situation is. We will not and do not ever support or warrant reloads, no matter what the circumstance is. It even says so in the manuals (as it also does in the Beretta manuals). This does not mean that the service response or behavior was correct per se, but remember that when you reload, you assume responsibility.

[Corse]

You would think that the warranty would be void if the ammo was determined to be the problem. I have had issues with so called factory ammo as have others, so it’s not like they are immune from issues.

[Hambo]

Two failures of the exact same nature with reloads by the same guy


The common factor on multiple catastrophic failures is the reloader. I saw one guy trash two rifles through carelessness in reloading (he also put a round in himself via careless gun handling). On another forum I used to participate on, there were often threads about blown up guns, and the problem was always the reloader (again, one guy blew up two guns in a row but didn't think it was his fault).

I love reloading, but it's a hobby that doesn't suffer fools.

[LukeNCMX]

I don't know the guy Andreas Yankopolus personally. I just know of him as a regular contributor to Practical Shooting Training Group. From what I have seen/heard there he is an accomplished GM (Just Won Georgia Production State Championship), and has years of experience in practical shooting as a competitor and an instructor. He has good experience using a lot of different production style platforms and reloading for them as well. I know it is easy to point fingers when the dude is the common denominator but don't make the mistake of assuming he is just a random internet idiot who probably doesn't know what he is doing.

This is the kind of skilled dude who is not on anyone's payroll who you should probably not dismiss out of hand, especially if you are a competitor invested in the 92x Performance platform.

[YVK]

I don't know the guy Andreas Yankopolus personally. I just know of him as a regular contributor to Practical Shooting Training Group. From what I have seen/heard there he is an accomplished GM (Just Won Georgia Production State Championship), and has years of experience in practical shooting as a competitor and an instructor. He has good experience using a lot of different production style platforms and reloading for them as well. I know it is easy to point fingers when the dude is the common denominator but don't make the mistake of assuming he is just a random internet idiot who probably doesn't know what he is doing.


I was about to say that, unless he changed his reload recipe drastically, he has shot a metric ton of this stuff through numerous other guns. Hopefully he keeps his reloads the same with his next gun.

[e_stern]

You would think that the warranty would be void if the ammo was determined to be the problem. I have had issues with so called factory ammo as have others, so it’s not like they are immune from issues.

Blanket void if reloaded ammunition is used, no matter how experienced the shooter. Period.

Of course Ammunition companies make mistakes, but Ammunition companies will step in and own mistakes and pay for replacements. The firearms manufacturer ONLY validates guns with SAAMI or CIP spec ammunition, and Ammunition companies certify that they are loading to those standards. There is no way to verify a reloaded cartridge is loaded to that, therefore the shooter is owning any potential mistake and the manufacturer will stand fast on that. Again, based on two failures of the exact same nature in a CIP Proofed barrel, that's 100% on the shooter in the eyes of the manufacturer. That's the point of the CIP proofing, to ensure that the barrel and firearm are up to the CIP standardization requirements for strength.

As for the shooter, he certainly appears to be an accomplished shooter and reloader (I'm not familiar with him), but the response that he received is better than policy even if Beretta CS was lacking regarding communications. Generally he'd be told to pound sand per policy and they would hold fast on that, but from what I can gather, they worked with him and got him replacements even if some of their behavior was weird and communications appear to have sucked donkey dong. Overall from the outside but intimately familiar with their policies, I'd say they get a 1/10 for comms and a 4/10 for customer consideration despite having a written policy to the contrary. The 4/10 being because I don't see how a Tomcat and a US made 92X are equivalent to a Performance..... *shrug*

[ccmdfd]

The common factor on multiple catastrophic failures is the reloader. I saw one guy trash two rifles through carelessness in reloading (he also put a round in himself via careless gun handling). On another forum I used to participate on, there were often threads about blown up guns, and the problem was always the reloader (again, one guy blew up two guns in a row but didn't think it was his fault).

I love reloading, but it's a hobby that doesn't suffer fools.

What mistake did he make that blew up 2 rifles?

Asking as I'm just getting into reloading.

[LukeNCMX]

Blanket void if reloaded ammunition is used, no matter how experienced the shooter. Period.

Of course Ammunition companies make mistakes, but Ammunition companies will step in and own mistakes and pay for replacements. The firearms manufacturer ONLY validates guns with SAAMI or CIP spec ammunition, and Ammunition companies certify that they are loading to those standards. There is no way to verify a reloaded cartridge is loaded to that, therefore the shooter is owning any potential mistake and the manufacturer will stand fast on that. Again, based on two failures of the exact same nature in a CIP Proofed barrel, that's 100% on the shooter in the eyes of the manufacturer. That's the point of the CIP proofing, to ensure that the barrel and firearm are up to the CIP standardization requirements for strength.

Its understandable why manufacturers have a policy like this but that is not really the issue in my eyes. I see it as this: can a 92x Performance be trusted to perform satisfactorily under common competitor use? Is what Andreas did with those guns common competitor use? Among the various production gun competitors, is it wise to invest in or continue to use a 92x Performance over a Shadow 2, Tanfoglio Stock 2, Canik Rival etc? I get warranty claims with reloads are not a thing but in reality almost everyone is using reloads with these guns and they gotta run them because if they won't a competing platform will.

[Ben_G]

Its understandable why manufacturers have a policy like this but that is not really the issue in my eyes. I see it as this: can a 92x Performance be trusted to perform satisfactorily under common competitor use? Is what Andreas did with those guns common competitor use? Among the various production gun competitors, is it wise to invest in or continue to use a 92x Performance over a Shadow 2, Tanfoglio Stock 2, Canik Rival etc? I get warranty claims with reloads are not a thing but in reality almost everyone is using reloads with these guns and they gotta run them because if they won't a competing platform will.

If I'm overstepping here, someone let me know and I'll step back on this one.

That said, again it needs to be reiterated that the barrel on the Performance is the same all the way back to the 92FS/M9 and everything in-between. A lot of competitive shooters have run reloads in these barrels for longer than I've been alive, and this is a new one as far as I'm aware (that happened twice in quick succession with the same guy). I know several shooters with incredibly more reloads than this through several examples of 92XPs. I think its safe to say that yes, there's something that this shooter/reloader did that is not common to competitive use. There's a thousand variables that go into making ammo; have enough of them go wrong enough times, and you have a problem. One scoop of bad brass off a range thats not annealed and gets mixed into a big batch? Some spotty materials from the shortages during COVID? It's impossible for us to tell, which is why the official policy is you're on your own when you run them.

There are perfectly good reasons to choose to shoot a CZ, Canik, SIG, Glock, S&W, etc; I strongly feel that concerns over the durability of barrel on a 92X Performance is not a reason to discount that platform.


18 Rounds 9mm with frame mounted safety would be amazing!!

Thank you, yes, that was the idea! With inexpensive, widely available, and reliable mags to boot.

[Hambo]

What mistake did he make that blew up 2 rifles?

Asking as I'm just getting into reloading.

PM sent to not derail the thread.

[El Cid]

It feels like we have discussions about the 92XI SAO and the92X Performance models. Are the XI SAO guns steel framed? The website doesn’t say.

[Noah]

It feels like we have discussions about the 92XI SAO and the92X Performance models. Are the XI SAO guns steel framed? The website doesn’t say.

No the XI is aluminum framed.

[awp_101]

If the 92D is considered an “18 shot K Frame”, what would the 92XI be considered? An Italian Stack-A-Toe with better (and cheaper!) mags?

[Dorsai]

If the 92D is considered an “18 shot K Frame”, what would the 92XI be considered? An Italian Stack-A-Toe with better (and cheaper!) mags?

That's what I'm hoping to do. Oddly, while my right thumb has trouble making the reach to the left side safety lever, when holding the gun in my left hand, the left thumb doesn't have a problem. Anyway, my left side performance safety lever arrives on Monday. I think that will solve my problem. First priority with a single action semi-auto with a safety (frame mounted), is that it has to be quickly and easily manipulated.

I compared the stock trigger to my LTT with an action job. The travel for trigger break and reset are each about 1/3 of the distance of the LTT trigger in SA. That's a start. Trigger pull weight is higher, but I also spent $30 for new sear, trigger return, firing pin, firing pin safety and hammer springs. I'll install all of those as well and check the improvement. Per my research, the Performance/Competition hammer will also reduce the trigger reset distance. The Beretta trigger pivots rather than a straight pull (sliding) like the 1911. But I think with a reduction in the trigger pull, it will still come close to the Staccato. It may even be better, but we'll see. I've installed the TJIB on a couple of 92's, so I'm not worried about being able to get everything installed. I'll do it incrementally, and decide later if I want the new hammer. My cost will still be 1/3 of the Staccato. I've never been a fan of big magwell funnels, but for the competition crowd, go for it.

[CSW]

If the 92D is considered an “18 shot K Frame”, what would the 92XI be considered? An Italian Stack-A-Toe with better (and cheaper!) mags?


Before there was a "Prodigy", building a "Stack-a-toe" is exactly what my goal was with the Centurion I purchased.
Had the 'wantzies' for a Stacatto bad, but could not afford it.

I wanted an RDS gun, and purchased the 92xRDO full size...the sight sat way too tall. So I purchased a non RDO 92x G Centurion <like trying to find hen's teeth, AND Jimmy Hoffa at the time>.

Reading and watching all I could about LTT and the magic they perform out there in AZ, I sent the Centurion to them. I wanted the lo-pro RDO mount, the barrel flush cut with the frame, their trigger job with a flush hammer, and the LTT logo.

The turn around was just under 6 weeks at the time. Hindsight is always crystal, but I should have had them do the dehorn as well....but that's just cosmetic.

I chose the RMR04, dual illumination 7moa, and had them mount is as well. My thought was no batteries, no reason to dismount, therefore, no issues. It's been absolutely fine except for shooting on super brilliant days;
Then the dot has a tendency to be almost too bright. I solve it with a piece of tape or a paster on top of the solar collector, and that solves the problem.

Langdon's work on my pistol is impeccable. The double action is as smooth as I have ever felt, and is probably somewhere around 6 pounds. The single is like a glass rod breaking, zero staging or creep. Went with 12# hammer spring, and have had zero issues with hard primers, zero issues with ANY ammunition.

This pistol might be the softest recoiling, flattest shooting pistol I've ever used. Other shooters at some matches I've attended have also commented on how flat the pistol runs.

It'll take anything from 10 to 25 round mags, and run like a well oiled machine.

I love the option of DA, and I'm learning how to pull right thru the initial DA, to the point where it's second nature now.

After experimenting with a few types of LOK grips for the Vertec/X, and finding the right feel, I'm into the pistol for about $1500 with all the work and the price of the gun. Planning of just shooting this one all summer at my local outlaw matches, and hopefully get even better with it.

[CraigS]

CSW give an 11# hammer spring a try. I have been shooting idpa matches w/ one in my M9A1 starting April 2021 up to Aug of 22 when I got the 92X Defensive. My wife started shooting matches w/ me April 2022 w/ her EliteII also w/ 11#. Both M9A1 and EII have NP3 TJIBs. I do take the extractor out and clean out the firing pin and it's spring every other month but the DA is even easier than w/ a 12#.

[Hambo]

My LGS got one and I had a chance to check it out. Take up felt gritty, and the break was heavier than my carry gun with a D hammer spring. It's definitely not on par with a TJIAB. For someone who is looking for their first Beretta, it's an interesting, and difficult choice.

[Noah]

My LGS got one and I had a chance to check it out. Take up felt gritty, and the break was heavier than my carry gun with a D hammer spring. It's definitely not on par with a TJIAB. For someone who is looking for their first Beretta, it's an interesting, and difficult choice.

A lot of 92 trigger issues are trigger bar rubbing on the grip panel... wonder how it would feel after a clean and lube and check for interferences.

[Hambo]

A lot of 92 trigger issues are trigger bar rubbing on the grip panel... wonder how it would feel after a clean and lube and check for interferences.

They wouldn't let me take it apart ;) but I'm sure it could be improved. It's probably more accurate to call it a 9235, but fewer people would get that than 92XI (which everyone was pronouncing as letters, not 11).

[Dorsai]

My parts arrived today. I used the spring kit from Mcarbo partly for price, plus they had springs for the extractor, firing pin safety, and firing pin. Additional parts from Midwest Gunworks are the left side extended safety lever and steel recoil spring guide. I had to consult two videos to get everything disassembled and reassembled. I enjoy my Glocks, though they don't feel as good as the Beretta, but if shit hits the fan, I'll take the Glock. For shooting pleasure, I'll take the Beretta. But it takes a handful of tools and lots of small parts and springs.

So let's talk about what works. First, nothing doesn't work. That's a good thing. The left side safety solved my thumb problem. Manipulation doesn't require shifting my hand. The trigger press is lighter than stock. Reset is the same distance, but I didn't expect any difference. Per the videos, installing a performance hammer reduces the trigger pull and the reset. I may do that, but first I'm going to shoot it as is for a bit. I was lucky in my installation, I had two springs and a pin go flying, but I recovered them all. I used a 13lb hammer spring and I'll see if it is reliable this weekend. But it feels good. I'm using the stock recoil spring, though research says lighter loads work better with the 9lb recoil spring. We'll see. I've been reading other posts and I'll keep them in mind, i.e. a heavier recoil spring may reduce recoil, but slow followup shots by driving the muzzle down because the slide return is too heavy. More later.

The hammer/main spring cap feels like plastic and cheap plastic at that. It works, but I intend to replace it in the future. I have a spare standard plug, but I didn't want a lanyard ring. It probably fits, but maybe not perfectly.

Here are my final thoughts for tonight, more after I hit the range over the weekend. I like it. I have a couple of Hi-Powers, FN and an SA-35, so this is another SA 9mm. I have shot the 92 a fair amount, and I think it is ok to say that experience carries over with regards to the barrel and the locking system. Overall, the gun is larger and heavier than the Browning, but God forgive me, I think it is smoother and more reliable, therefore better as a shooter. I look forward to proving or disproving that theory. I wish it wasn't a two tone, but that's a minor and subjective opinion.

My future plans include replacement of the hammer spring cap, the technical term, just because the plastic cap bothers me on an emotional level. I can't say it will make a practical difference. The magazine release is not entirely steel and it doesn't extend quite as far as the Wilson, which I have on my other Berettas. Possibly because it isn't quite as extended, I feel that the magazine drags a tiny bit when changing mags. That may be solely because I'm not pressing it as much because of the extension, but either way I'll spend the $$ on what I know feels better. I will get a Performance hammer and give it a try. I'll see if it improves the reset and trigger pull. I did what I thought was the necessary, the rest is filling in the corners.

More later.

[Dorsai]

One more thought. I have an old 92FS with a Vertec slide group and LTT TJIB. No light rail. It is a gun I enjoy, but the lack of a light rail means it isn't as perfect an actual fighting gun. I firmly believe that a fighting gun must have the capability to mount a light. Feel free to disagree. The 92xi SAO seems to be designed as a target gun, not a defensive weapon, yet it has a light rail. Either it shouldn't be there or it truly could be set up for serious defensive use. I'd welcome thoughts other than my own.

Ok, second thought. I don't own a Staccato. I've never shot a Staccato. I did learn to shoot a semi-auto pistol on a 1911 and and in fact, I qualified expert in the Navy on the 1911A1 and the M-14. I've shot 1911's for many years though .45 has become harder on the wrists. My point is, I'm happy that I have a gun that shoots as well as a Staccato or nearly as well and does it at 1/3 the cost.

[Tokarev]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQ7TJa63SUI

[HCM]

One more thought. I have an old 92FS with a Vertec slide group and LTT TJIB. No light rail. It is a gun I enjoy, but the lack of a light rail means it isn't as perfect an actual fighting gun. I firmly believe that a fighting gun must have the capability to mount a light. Feel free to disagree. The 92xi SAO seems to be designed as a target gun, not a defensive weapon, yet it has a light rail. Either it shouldn't be there or it truly could be set up for serious defensive use. I'd welcome thoughts other than my own.

Ok, second thought. I don't own a Staccato. I've never shot a Staccato. I did learn to shoot a semi-auto pistol on a 1911 and and in fact, I qualified expert in the Navy on the 1911A1 and the M-14. I've shot 1911's for many years though .45 has become harder on the wrists. My point is, I'm happy that I have a gun that shoots as well as a Staccato or nearly as well and does it at 1/3 the cost.

No reason the SAO 92 couldn’t be set up for defensive use. Many compare modern striker fired trigger pulls to SAO pulls without a manual safety. However, frane rails on pistols have other uses.

An actual target gun (vs a range /fun gun) will be trained with as much or more than a fighting gun. Rails allow mounting of training tools such as the Mantis system. Lasers, Weights, “gas pedal” thumb rests etc can all attach to frame rails.

[JTQ]

The 92xi SAO seems to be designed as a target gun, not a defensive weapon, yet it has a light rail.
I don't know Beretta's intentions, but the 92XI seems more likely as a defensive weapon, just like a M9/92FS/92X. It's just a single action version of those guns. You can use it for competition, but that is not the focus of the gun.

The 92X Performance and the 92X Performance Defensive are their competition focused guns.

92X Performance https://www.beretta.com/en-us/beretta-92x-performance/

92X Performance Defensive https://www.beretta.com/en-us/beretta-92x-performance-defensive/

[echo5charlie]

The one I saw did not have a wonderful trigger, but probably about on par with most of the SAO-converted service wondernines, like CZ 75s, P226 SAOs, &c. Better than the SA-35 they had in the case.

I am starting to believe that out of the box 'not bad' triggers are turning into hens teeth that can only be validated on a case-by-case basis. We had another 92Xi swing in as a transfer and the trigger on that one was just OK, still a candidate for some smoothing but not as gritty as the first.

[Dorsai]

Work gets in the way of fun, so I can't hit the range until Saturday. When I bought my springs, I got a 12, 13 and 14lb hammer spring. The 13lb isn't bad, but the 12lb really rocks! In dry practice at least, it is the equal of a good 1911 and noticeably better than the 13lb. However. LTT puts 13lb in their LTT, and the only thing that matters in this instance, is reliable ignition. So I'll try it with a variety of range ammo and my EDC/Home load, Federal 147gr HST. Lowest spring weight that goes bang every time.

I'm posting this stuff to help others learn from my trials and errors. Last time I ordered stuff from Beretta (their last sale), I included a couple sets of their Allen head grip screws, black and SS. In looking at the xi SAO, it struck me that cosmetically, the SS screws would nicely complement the SS/Inox/Silver slide. And they did, but then I found out I couldn't insert or release a magazine, which was quite a shock. I played around with the rubber donut screw tensioners and the basic lock washers. With either one, when tightened an appropriate amount, the end of the screws extended into the magazine well enough to contact the magazine. I haven't measured them against the OEM screws, so my GUESS is that because of the thin grips, Beretta shortened the screws slightly for the factory guns. The solution was to use both the lock washer and the donut, which allowed both enough tension to make sure the screws stayed in place but didn't project into the magwell. Without doubling up, it was literally 1/2 a turn between ok and too far. Another lesson that "just the tip" can be inconvenient to dangerous!

[CSW]

I run a 12# in my LTT, with a, flush hammer.
Solid ignition every time.

[Sidesaddle Cavalry]

So what are the chances of the 92XI getting a version with a Centurion/Compact slide?

Just asking for a friend of mine who happens to be steel-framed and pistol-shaped...

[JSGlock34]

92XI with LTT Trigger Job
(https://langdontactical.com/92xi-with-ltt-trigger-job/?redirect_mongo_id=64838b09803d9480a8403f30&utm_source=Springbot&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=64838b09803d9480a8403f2f)https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-gwq330i093/images/stencil/1280x1280/products/484/2299/IMG_6225__04700.1686172503.jpg?c=2

[HeavyDuty]

That would make a great alternative to a Staccato.

[Joe in PNG]

That would make a great alternative to a Staccato.

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[Bernomad]

I ordered one of these on Thursday. I still have to drive to pick it up when it shows up at the giant sports center. I’ve been wanting to get my hands on one of these since I first heard about it. I have yet to see one in stock at an actual gun store. I usually don’t buy unless I’ve at least handled first. I’ll let you know my first impressions, assuming it actually arrives.

[Bernomad]

I ordered one of these on Thursday. I still have to drive to pick it up when it shows up at the giant sports center. I’ve been wanting to get my hands on one of these since I first heard about it. I have yet to see one in stock at an actual gun store. I usually don’t buy unless I’ve at least handled first. I’ll let you know my first impressions, assuming it actually arrives.

Well I got to handle it before buying. Brownell’s retail store had in stock. Feels good to me so far.

[JSGlock34]

Aaron Cowan is testing a LTT RDO 92XI.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CusE_6mvBF3/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

[thatguybryan]

Aaron Cowan is testing a LTT RDO 92XI.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CusE_6mvBF3/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Should be interesting to see his evaluation. I’m really curious for those that have spent a lot of time with the DA/SA Berettas which they prefer. Having spent a decent amount of time behind the DA/SA guns, it’d be weird to have an SAO Beretta 92 and I’m not sure I’d enjoy it as much as some of my other SAO guns, but I could be completely wrong about that. Still haven’t shot a B92X Performance either.

[Polecat]

I rented one the other day. I gotta tell ya, I didn’t like the safety, it was kind of weird to actuate, just a bit clumsy. Once I shit it though, it came into its own. Really mild recoil. Crazy accurate, overall I really liked it. My opinion was really changed after shooting it!

[Bernomad]

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[Joe in PNG]

Looks like LTT is selling them with their own optics cuts & trigger voodoo. (https://langdontactical.com/92xi-with-ltt-trigger-job/)

[thatguybryan]

I rented one the other day. I gotta tell ya, I didn’t like the safety, it was kind of weird to actuate, just a bit clumsy. Once I shit it though, it came into its own. Really mild recoil. Crazy accurate, overall I really liked it. My opinion was really changed after shooting it!

Good to know. I may try one eventually as it’s in line with my current infatuation with SAO guns. :p

[LockedBreech]

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God dang is there any gun other than a 1911 that can rock a two-tone look as well as a Beretta does? That looks amazing and so does the LTT stainless barrel, black slide look. I might shoot Glocks mostly these days but nothing will ever touch how good a Beretta looks in my eyes.

[Joe in PNG]

God dang is there any gun other than a 1911 that can rock a two-tone look as well as a Beretta does? That looks amazing and so does the LTT stainless barrel, black slide look. I might shoot Glocks mostly these days but nothing will ever touch how good a Beretta looks in my eyes.

A contender:
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[Bernomad]

God dang is there any gun other than a 1911 that can rock a two-tone look as well as a Beretta does? That looks amazing and so does the LTT stainless barrel, black slide look. I might shoot Glocks mostly these days but nothing will ever touch how good a Beretta looks in my eyes.

I know. I can hardly stand not shooting it. I’m recovering from knee replacement. I sent my son out to shoot it. I’ll let you know how it goes. He’s a real good shooter. This is incentive for fast healing!

[Bernomad]

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[Bernomad]

107415 One more for the road.

And it shoots flat with pretty quick follow up shots for me. I’m leaving it stock. The trigger is good even though it has more initial travel than I hoped for. I may send it in to LTT for trigger work. I’m going to shoot it more as it is. I like the grip angle on this better than the 92FS. I’ll keep this one. I want to find some sweet wood grips. I wish Beretta would sell the grips that are on the launch version.

[Sidesaddle Cavalry]

Anyone notice the 92XI Tactical out in the wild lately? Same fullsize 92XI but now with the two-tone reversed, slide black and frame+barrel gray.

Barrel is also threaded like M9A3/4, sights already raised for use with the Beretta dovetail optic plates.

[JSGlock34]

Anyone notice the 92XI Tactical out in the wild lately? Same fullsize 92XI but now with the two-tone reversed, slide black and frame+barrel gray.

Barrel is also threaded like M9A3/4, sights already raised for use with the Beretta dovetail optic plates.

I had not - thanks for highlighting. Well, that's interesting...I'd like to see a LTT version of the 92XI (M9A1 style frame and Elite two tone).

https://media.mwstatic.com/product-images/src/alt1/982/982005a1.jpg?imwidth=2200

[Dorsai]

Hmm. I'll have to look at trading my silver slide for someone's black. Though I have no need for the suppressor height sights.

[Lunker]

I am a big Beretta fan and really wanted to scratch a longtime itch for a nice non-1911 single action semi-auto.
But I held a new 92XI in person at a local shop and was really underwhelmed. Nothing about it was particularly nice. The trigger was gritty/bad and the slide finish looked like it was applied with a trowel (unevenly in spots). If I had held one that looked like the one earlier in this thread, i would have come home with it. From a user standpoint, everything seemed to feel and function fine. I was not thrilled with the thumb safety design. It worked fine but felt kind of like an afterthought and jutted out pretty far. But I left the gun at the shop.
The story has a happy ending though. I live a few miles away from the Sig pro shop, and even though I’m not the biggest fan of their guns, I checked out the Legion P226 SAO. I know it is apples and oranges for pricing, but I used a 15% student discount (from having taken classes at Sig) and walked out with a great shooter. The only gun I have ever owned that shot this accurately out of the box is my Walther Q4 SF.
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[claymore504]

For my 9mm single action needs, the P226 Legion SAO is my top choice as well. Great gun overall.

[CraigS]

I have no interest. I shoot a 92X Defensive in idpa matches. I could shoot it in SAO form but I don't. I shoot in DA/SA for 2 reasons. 1- I happen to like DA/SA for defense purposes and all our other 92s are DA/SA decock only guns. 2- we get to shoot w/ 15 or 16 rnds in the mags vs 10 or 11 in the class for the SAO form. But for decades Beretta has been asked to sell SAO versions. There have been a few very limited, and usually very expensive, offerings so it was obvious they had the design already done. Lots of people said, hey we know you can do it so please go for it. We will see how the sales are. I for one applaud Beretta for all the offerings they have come out with in the last 6-7 years. Each model fills a different niche in the market so I hope they keep it up.

[Sidesaddle Cavalry]

I have no interest. I shoot a 92X Defensive in idpa matches. I could shoot it in SAO form but I don't. I shoot in DA/SA for 2 reasons. 1- I happen to like DA/SA for defense purposes and all our other 92s are DA/SA decock only guns. 2- we get to shoot w/ 15 or 16 rnds in the mags vs 10 or 11 in the class for the SAO form. But for decades Beretta has been asked to sell SAO versions. There have been a few very limited, and usually very expensive, offerings so it was obvious they had the design already done. Lots of people said, hey we know you can do it so please go for it. We will see how the sales are. I for one applaud Beretta for all the offerings they have come out with in the last 6-7 years. Each model fills a different niche in the market so I hope they keep it up.

Ah, but have you considered: buying a 92XI slide and swapping the Performance Defensive's slide out with it for less traveling mass to repel with your recoil spring? ;)

[CraigS]

No I hadn't. Our baby scale isn't accurate enough to weigh just slides but the Defensive slide is what I call a half Brig slide. To get the Defensive down to idpa from the Performance version, they machined metal out of both the frame and the slide. So the slide weight is between a standard slide and a Brig slide. So not a lot to be gained.

[LukeNCMX]

Ah, but have you considered: buying a 92XI slide and swapping the Performance Defensive's slide out with it for less traveling mass to repel with your recoil spring? ;)

The 92X Performance Defensive slide is actually about 1 oz. lighter than the 92XI slide.

Beretta team shooter Ben Hardt runs a 92XP D slide on a 92XP CO frame and did a comparison:


https://youtu.be/WcLsmOddQlI?si=hEbZ5-EUad5Jgtjq


This makes the Defensive model pretty attractive for an all-around competition gun. I want to buy one but I won't until evidence the extraction issues are resolved. Internet rumors are that a batch of 92XP extractors were improperly heat treated. Also rumors that 92XP extractors are different than other 92s and they are very difficult to obtain from resellers or Beretta.

[Sidesaddle Cavalry]

Oh dear. Well, I wouldn't say this is a completely dire situation, but it does make me hope for a 92xi Centurion model soon. If not for the possible further lightening of a Vertec slide, then at least for the interchangeability with typical 92 extractors and extractor springs.

I don't suppose a Wilson Combat extra power extractor spring solves things like that, would it?

[LukeNCMX]

I don't suppose a Wilson Combat extra power extractor spring solves things like that, would it?

Some folks have had success with those and also adding a metal shim under the spring to further increase the extractor tension. Others have tried all these things without success.

[LittleLebowski]

I’d love to know how this shoots compares to a Staccato.

[CSW]

I’d love to know how this shoots compares to a Staccato.

Can't compare the S/A, but I built a 92x centurion G.
Sent it out to LTT, they did the works :
Trigger job.
Flush cut the bbl.
Their RDO cuts.

At the last match a friend was shooting a prodigy, and asked to try the Beretta ;

His response was that he liked the Beretta, and [he] wished the Springfield had the same DA options.

[CraigS]

I’d love to know how this shoots compares to a Staccato.
I am in SW Va in Blacksburg. If you want to take a drive you are more than welcome to shoot my 92X Defensive that I use in idpa matches.

[CraigS]

Oh dear. Well, I wouldn't say this is a completely dire situation, but it does make me hope for a 92xi Centurion model soon. If not for the possible further lightening of a Vertec slide, then at least for the interchangeability with typical 92 extractors and extractor springs.

I don't suppose a Wilson Combat extra power extractor spring solves things like that, would it?
In my Defensive I installed a Wilson extractor spring and also a .010" shim. Mine is fixed.