New Beretta 92FS!

[Bernomad]

New acquisition. Can’t wait to get to the range this afternoon. I ordered some aluminum grips and a stainless steel guide rod to replace some of the plastic parts. This should be a good shooter. I’ll be super happy if it works as good as my 1301. 99210

[JAH 3rd]

Hope your new pistol functions perfectly! About 3 weeks ago I bought an Italian made 92A1. I debated between an M9A1 and the 92A1. My overriding concern was quality of the Italian vs TN made pistol. In the end I got the one made in Italy.

Upon inspection, the muzzle of the barrel was skewed to the left, from about 10 o'clock to 7 o'clock position. Literally no light between the barrel and slide. Conversely, on the right side, more than enough light between the barrel and slide. I was disappointed but when I shoot it for the first time I'll keep a check on POA/POI. My commercial M9, which is at least 15 years old, has its barrel perfectly centered. Go figure.

[Bernomad]

It’s never good to hear about poor quality issues. I will post up a range function report on this one soon. This is my first Beretta pistol. I’ve got some learning to do.

[DanTheWolfman]

Welcome to the Party Pal!

Hammer Spring from LTT or Wilson to about 13# would be the biggest difference for least money fyi

[MattyD380]

Hope your new pistol functions perfectly! About 3 weeks ago I bought an Italian made 92A1. I debated between an M9A1 and the 92A1. My overriding concern was quality of the Italian vs TN made pistol. In the end I got the one made in Italy.

Upon inspection, the muzzle of the barrel was skewed to the left, from about 10 o'clock to 7 o'clock position. Literally no light between the barrel and slide. Conversely, on the right side, more than enough light between the barrel and slide. I was disappointed but when I shoot it for the first time I'll keep a check on POA/POI. My commercial M9, which is at least 15 years old, has its barrel perfectly centered. Go figure.

I've had 3 different Beretta 92s (2015, 1993ish and 1989)--none of them have had perfectly centered barrels. All of them have been tack drivers. I even emailed Beretta customer service about it, they said it's perfectly normal. If you do some Googling on the subject, you find it's very common with 92s.

Nevertheless...

It's still a mystery how 92s shoot to POA with the front sight (slightly) misaligned to the bore. At the least, I don't think the barrels are angled as they sit in the slide--in other words, the whole barrel is over a mm or two and it remains parallel with the slide. So, maybe it's merely a matter of 1-2mms being inconsequential in hitting POA? But I have read theories that the falling block action ends up naturally centering the barrel upon recoil... which you can't see, of course, when it's in battery. But no one's been able to confirm that's actually what's happening.

I don't know. But I wouldn't be too concerned about it? My cockeyed 92s have been among my most accurate, best-shooting handguns.

[willie]

Hope your new pistol functions perfectly! About 3 weeks ago I bought an Italian made 92A1. I debated between an M9A1 and the 92A1. My overriding concern was quality of the Italian vs TN made pistol. In the end I got the one made in Italy.

Upon inspection, the muzzle of the barrel was skewed to the left, from about 10 o'clock to 7 o'clock position. Literally no light between the barrel and slide. Conversely, on the right side, more than enough light between the barrel and slide. I was disappointed but when I shoot it for the first time I'll keep a check on POA/POI. My commercial M9, which is at least 15 years old, has its barrel perfectly centered. Go figure.

I understand your concern but will say that I've had a couple of these pistols with barrels not centered and they shot to point of aim. Like you, I would prefer a centered barrel. In the past I had opportunity to buy used but excellent pistols from a dealer who sold only used guns. He bought many estate collections. I never had a "bad" 92 FS but did see a few made unreliable by after market rubber grips. Now that Beretta lost the government contract, I fear that the once stellar quality control might subside.

I always resisted the urge to replace the mainspring with a lighter spring and discovered that firing a few 100 rounds smoothed these pistols enough to satisfy me. Of course, there's zero wrong with installing a D spring it that's one's aim.

[Bernomad]

Shot a couple hundred rounds of about half and half 124 grain and some 147 reloads. The gun had no malfunctions. My son, who is much more capable than I was very accurate with both SA and DA. I on the other hand was struggling with the trigger. It is going to take some practice for me to get used to it.

Danthewolfman, can you give me a little insight on what the hammer spring changes are all about?

[Super77]

I had a Wilson Brig Tac that came with the barrel off-center a little. Wilson said it was within spec and it shot fine. I think it's just something more noticeable with the Beretta open top slide. I bet if we X-rayed a lot of closed top slides there would be off center barrels in guns that shoot just fine.

[SwampDweller]

Now that Beretta lost the government contract, I fear that the once stellar quality control might subside.

The military M9s were all US made on completely different production lines compared to the commercial 92’s, yes? How do you think the end of the contract could affect QC? It’s also my understanding that commercial 92 pistols have updated locking blocks that the military M9s couldn’t have.

At the gun shop I work at, since 2020, Beretta pistols (92s at least, we don’t really get anything else from them) have been the only manufacturer who hasn’t had a pistol come back to send off for warranty. The only others in that category have been H&K and Glock. One of the things I’ve admired most about Beretta is that they have maintained excellent QC consistently over the years whereas most other companies have had ups and downs (or just down in the case of Sig)

[Bernomad]

Welcome to the Party Pal!

Hammer Spring from LTT or Wilson to about 13# would be the biggest difference for least money fyi

Will this improve the double action trigger pull?

[willie]

The military M9s were all US made on completely different production lines compared to the commercial 92’s, yes? How do you think the end of the contract could affect QC? It’s also my understanding that commercial 92 pistols have updated locking blocks that the military M9s couldn’t have.

At the gun shop I work at, since 2020, Beretta pistols (92s at least, we don’t really get anything else from them) have been the only manufacturer who hasn’t had a pistol come back to send off for warranty. The only others in that category have been H&K and Glock. One of the things I’ve admired most about Beretta is that they have maintained excellent QC consistently over the years whereas most other companies have had ups and downs (or just down in the case of Sig)

I've never seen but one older defective B92, and I suspected that Bubba had messed with it. I have seen 3 Tennessee factory pistols that looked like crap. One had a sticking trigger. My comment stating fear about QC is an opinion based on insight into the industry over 50+ years. The last M9 from the government contract was shipped in Sept, 2021. The Tennessee facility began operating 2014-2015 and had the usual kinks seen in new factories. These kinks manifested themselves in a lower degree of QC. New folks operating and maintaining equipment and the same performing assembly and finishing tasks produced a couple lemons. Bean counters now can get away with more cost cutting. Uncle is no longer looking over Beretta's shoulder. Things change. Hence I fear that the once stellar product might slip or fall down. I have no idea about different lines of manufacture.

[Bernomad]

Will this improve the double action trigger pull?

Sorry. I found this info on the inter web. I ordered a 13 lb WC spring. Look’s easy enough to do.

[JAH 3rd]

I installed the Beretta OEM D-spring for the 92 model in my M9 commercial. It does help more on DA than SA. And it has been 100% reliable. On my Beretta PX4 Storm compact 9mm, I installed the Beretta OEM D-spring for the Storm. It really lightened the DA pull. In fact, if it were a DAO pistol, I'd be totally satisfied with the trigger pull.

You'll just have to experiment with hammer spring weight. If you get light strikes, just go up a pound and see what happens. For a range pistol, light strikes may cost you if you are shooting competition. In the world, a light strike could cost one more.

The only reason I went with the Beretta springs is that I felt they were vetted to perform as advertised.....and so far they have! As stated before, a hammer spring is the most cost effective upgrade. Stick with brand names and read reviews on each product you are going to purchase. Good luck on your Beretta journey. Enjoy!

[CraigS]

I have had 100% reliable w/ a 12# spring but that required a skeleton hammer. So a 13# spring is a very good move. The beauty of the DA/SA action is that you can have a long travel first shot that can go a long way toward keeping all of us who are not Seals or Rangers from shooting someone we don't want to. And then the rest in SA make it easier to make accurate hits. Way back when we were first shooting 92s I did an almost torturous range trip. I forced myself to shoot 100 rnds all in DA. I started from a low ready, brought the gun up and shot once. by the end I no longer worried about that first DA shot. I found that I would usually pull the shot a little low, so my fix was to cover the bullseye w/ the front sight vs having the bullseye sit on top of the front sight. A lighter hammer spring w/ have the most effect on the DA pull but it will slightly lighten the SA also.

[Bernomad]

I have had 100% reliable w/ a 12# spring but that required a skeleton hammer. So a 13# spring is a very good move. The beauty of the DA/SA action is that you can have a long travel first shot that can go a long way toward keeping all of us who are not Seals or Rangers from shooting someone we don't want to. And then the rest in SA make it easier to make accurate hits. Way back when we were first shooting 92s I did an almost torturous range trip. I forced myself to shoot 100 rnds all in DA. I started from a low ready, brought the gun up and shot once. by the end I no longer worried about that first DA shot. I found that I would usually pull the shot a little low, so my fix was to cover the bullseye w/ the front sight vs having the bullseye sit on top of the front sight. A lighter hammer spring w/ have the most effect on the DA pull but it will slightly lighten the SA also.

My son was shooting DA only at the range yesterday. He was hitting good. Me, not the best. I need to do your 100 round DA session. The gun ran perfect for a couple hundred rounds. For the first trip out, I’m super happy with it. I gotta pick out a holster now.

[CraigS]

Try to find one of these.
https://www.blackhawk.com/holsters-1/standard-cqc-holster/1651.html?
This is NOT the Serpa version that everyone thinks is unsafe. It is well made, and comes w/ the belt or paddle mount, and doesn't cost much. They will also notify you when back in stock but you may find one on the web or in a local store. I don't think it affects you but it will not fit a 92 w/ a rail.

[Bernomad]

Try to find one of these.
https://www.blackhawk.com/holsters-1/standard-cqc-holster/1651.html?
This is NOT the Serpa version that everyone thinks is unsafe. It is well made, and comes w/ the belt or paddle mount, and doesn't cost much. They will also notify you when back in stock but you may find one on the web or in a local store. I don't think it affects you but it will not fit a 92 w/ a rail.

I found that one to be discontinued on another web site. I don’t have a rail. I’ll do the notification thing. Price is right. Thanks!

[HCM]

The military M9s were all US made on completely different production lines compared to the commercial 92’s, yes? How do you think the end of the contract could affect QC? It’s also my understanding that commercial 92 pistols have updated locking blocks that the military M9s couldn’t have.

At the gun shop I work at, since 2020, Beretta pistols (92s at least, we don’t really get anything else from them) have been the only manufacturer who hasn’t had a pistol come back to send off for warranty. The only others in that category have been H&K and Glock. One of the things I’ve admired most about Beretta is that they have maintained excellent QC consistently over the years whereas most other companies have had ups and downs (or just down in the case of Sig)

You know what did effect Beretta quality ? The move from MD to TN.

Prior to Beretta’s move from Maryland to Tennessee, saw exactly one defective Beretta, pistol, and Italian made 92 A1.

Things have gotten better, but in the first two years after the move to Tennessee, I saw multiple defective guns. Guns it did not shoot to point of aim, a Gun, with the magazine, catch hole cut into the frame in the wrong place sucks that a magazine could be inserted, but not locked into place, guns with sharp edges that drew blood etc.

As for Glocks, being perfection, ha, I wouldn’t buy a Glock sight unseen. They’ve had plenty of lemons.

Most guns get purchased and shot once, or never shot at all. Plus a lack of warranty returns. Does not necessarily equal a lot of problems.

[CZ Man]

You know what did effect Beretta quality ? The move from MD to TN.

Prior to Beretta’s move from Maryland to Tennessee, saw exactly one defective Beretta, pistol, and Italian made 92 A1.

Things have gotten better, but in the first two years after the move to Tennessee, I saw multiple defective guns. Guns it did not shoot to point of aim, a Gun, with the magazine, catch hole cut into the frame in the wrong place sucks that a magazine could be inserted, but not locked into place, guns with sharp edges that drew blood etc.


So have they fixed the issues? Or are the new Beretta's from TN still hit or miss? I'm interested in picking up an FS model just like the OP. Wondering if I should hold out for a used one from MD?

[CSW]

I have two Tennessee guns;
A full size RDO 92x, and a Centurion non-RDO 92x that I sent to LTT for their magic.
In my experience the ONLY thing I see that is 'not aesthetically right' is the chrome lining in the barrels. It in no way effects the accuracy, as both guns shoot better than I ever will, but when you inspect them, it's not a brite chrome, but more of a satin.
I'm approaching close to 2000 rounds thru the Centurion, and the barrel doesn't look any different from the day I purchased it, nor is it different from the Full size that has about a thousand rounds.
The Bruniton finish is consistent and well applied on both. All the internals are finished well.

I'd purchase another TN gun without issue. I was going to look for a non RDO compact, until I found a Compact L M9a1 , and grabbed it.

I do prefer the Vertec grip over the original grip of the FS.

[HCM]

So have they fixed the issues? Or are the new Beretta's from TN still hit or miss? I'm interested in picking up an FS model just like the OP. Wondering if I should hold out for a used one from MD?

They’ve gotten better, but they are not up to the old MD quality level.

If you’re buying a Tennessee made gun, buy a new one, and make sure you closely examine it and perform some basic function checks.

I’ll be looking for things like sharp edges and whether the sights (not the barrel) are centered.

[GyroF-16]

Re: Beretta 92s made in TN

Sample size of 3
1. 92 LTT Elite from Langdon Tactical - no defects apparent for 4 years, but broke a frame rail just shy of 20k rds fired.
2. 92 LTT Elite Centurion frame purchased from a private party - mag well is tight - so tight that loaded, 17 rd grey sand-resistant mags rub and won’t drop free.
3. 92 LTT Elite from Langdon Tactical- had tight magwell described above, but even worse - most mags wouldn’t drop free, and had to be forced in and out. Langdon Tactical is fixing it for me.

I have 5 other, older Beretta 92s, made in MD and Italy, and no defects apparent.

I’ve probably been unlucky with TN-made guns, but my plan is to only buy LTT guns from Langdon Tactical going forward. They’ve stood behind guns I bought from them, and always made it right. I highly recommend them for both quality of work and customer service.

[GyroF-16]

They’ve gotten better, but they are not up to the old MD quality level.

If you’re buying a Tennessee made gun, buy a new one, and make sure you closely examine it and perform some basic function checks.

I’ll be looking for things like sharp edges and whether the sights (not the barrel) are centered.

And ensure that magazines drop free - tight mag wells are a thing in recent production.

Oh, and speaking of centered sights - I have 2 92A4 Compact slides. Both came with sights essentially centered.
One shoots exactly to POA. The other was 1.75” left at 7 yds - with two different barrels. Correcting the POI required drifting the rear sight full right, and the front sight 75% to the left. So centered sights are a good start, but not always the right setup for a given slide.
Oh, and both slides were made in TN.

[HCM]

And ensure that magazines drop free - tight mag wells are a thing in recent production.

Yes.

The first post, Tennessee production gun, I attempted to buy was a Wilson brigadier.

These guns were unavailable for a long period of time during the transition from Maryland to Tennessee production. A local gun store got some in stock, and after thoroughly examining the display case model I told them I would take it. The Clark said he would get one from the back per their policy. Luckily, I insisted on repeating my full examination on the gun from the back. Turns out the gun from the back had an issue with the magazine catch / well. You could insert a magazine, and it would appear to be fully inserted, but it was not. If you pull the slide back with an empty magazine in place, the magazine was too low for the follower to engage the slide catch. It exhibited the same issue with the mags from the properly functioning display gun.

Suffice to say, I want to find a display gun, which has been excellent except for a sharp edge on the grip tang.

[fixer]

I picked up 5 TN 92 last year and all were fantastic with no cosmetic or run-time issues.

[SwampDweller]

You know what did effect Beretta quality ? The move from MD to TN.

Prior to Beretta’s move from Maryland to Tennessee, saw exactly one defective Beretta, pistol, and Italian made 92 A1.

Things have gotten better, but in the first two years after the move to Tennessee, I saw multiple defective guns. Guns it did not shoot to point of aim, a Gun, with the magazine, catch hole cut into the frame in the wrong place sucks that a magazine could be inserted, but not locked into place, guns with sharp edges that drew blood etc.

As for Glocks, being perfection, ha, I wouldn’t buy a Glock sight unseen. They’ve had plenty of lemons.

Most guns get purchased and shot once, or never shot at all. Plus a lack of warranty returns. Does not necessarily equal a lot of problems.

willie I don’t know much about todays TN guns, I only buy Italian Berettas. Do y’all think there’s any reason to believe that the Italian ones will suffer in the QC department?

[willie]

willie I don’t know much about todays TN guns, I only buy Italian Berettas. Do y’all think there’s any reason to believe that the Italian ones will suffer in the QC department?

My guess is no. Occasionally, I'll see new Italian 92FS pistols that are out right beautiful. Most of my shooting has been with this version. When techs fail to properly install grips or magazine releases, and when inspectors fail to catch these errors, we wonder what else is happening. I do have faith in Beretta, though.

Once I called the Maryland factory and ended up talking with a helpful rep. This guy did warranty repair. I gave an opinion with which he agreed. Then I asked if he had shared this information with his superiors. He laughed and said that the people above him did not want, seek, or listen to anything that the peons told them. That has been my experience in the various so-called professional jobs I've had. All top down. It seems that when some folks get promoted, their brain turns to shit.

[CZ Man]

Is there any way to pick up a new Italian 92 FS these days? Are all the new ones states side coming from TN only?

[willie]

Is there any way to pick up a new Italian 92 FS these days? Are all the new ones states side coming from TN only?

I see used but as new traded in at my lgs. My dealer marks them down because he pays little. The next time I see one, I'll pm you. Bud's used to have them. I'll research this for you. Will give me something to do. The Maryland specimens are nice too.

Beretta is difficult to predict. You never know what they will do next.

I found a source for Italian 92fs's.

[willie]

Is there any way to pick up a new Italian 92 FS these days? Are all the new ones states side coming from TN only?

I sent you a pm with a source. Said to be in stock.

[Bernomad]

Is there any way to pick up a new Italian 92 FS these days? Are all the new ones states side coming from TN only?

I believe, from everything I’ve read and going by what my pistol has stamped on the side, it is made in Italy. I got it from the local sporting goods store. Here is a link. You can choose either USA or Italy origin. Right after I bought mine, a used one came in on trade. They’re asking $549 for it. I would have bought that one and saved a hundred bucks. Oh well. New is nice too.

https://www.scheels.com/p/beretta-92fs-pistol/5270-J92F300.html

[JAH 3rd]

Is there any way to pick up a new Italian 92 FS these days? Are all the new ones states side coming from TN only?

https://www.budsgunshop.com/product_info.php/products_id/39954/beretta+92fs+italian+15+1+9mm+4.9

[willie]

My lgs has two new B-92's. Both muzzles are off center. The barrels lock up with a locking block and not the slide. What we see is considered normal.

[Bernomad]

My son was shooting DA only at the range yesterday. He was hitting good. Me, not the best. I need to do your 100 round DA session. The gun ran perfect for a couple hundred rounds. For the first trip out, I’m super happy with it. I gotta pick out a holster now.

This holster from Beretta is a good fit for me. I’m still waiting on the WC 13 lb hammer spring. I freaking love this pistol!
Right hand leather Mod. 4.
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[coN]

Speaking of Italian models, I just picked up my new Inox 92fs and upon installing the G conversion kit, I saw this...

https://i.ibb.co/rcKff67/IMG-20230106-121924254-2.jpg (https://ibb.co/rcKff67)

My 92X RDO doesn't have the plunger channel visible like this. Needless to ask, is this normal?

[Bernomad]

Speaking of Italian models, I just picked up my new Inox 92fs and upon installing the G conversion kit, I saw this...

https://i.ibb.co/rcKff67/IMG-20230106-121924254-2.jpg (https://ibb.co/rcKff67)

My 92X RDO doesn't have the plunger channel visible like this. Needless to ask, is this normal?

No. That is not normal. I would contact customer service for that.

[CZ Man]

Speaking of Italian models, I just picked up my new Inox 92fs and upon installing the G conversion kit, I saw this...

https://i.ibb.co/rcKff67/IMG-20230106-121924254-2.jpg (https://ibb.co/rcKff67)

My 92X RDO doesn't have the plunger channel visible like this. Needless to ask, is this normal?

This is an Italian made FS? I just ordered an Italian one from Omaha Outdoors. Guess I'll have to look it over carefully before accepting it when it arrives.

[willie]

This is an Italian made FS? I just ordered an Italian one from Omaha Outdoors. Guess I'll have to look it over carefully before accepting it when it arrives.

Enjoy!

[coN]

This is an Italian made FS? I just ordered an Italian one from Omaha Outdoors. Guess I'll have to look it over carefully before accepting it when it arrives.

Yes it is an Italian 92FS. Prior to asking, I used my Google University degree and found various things about that particular plunger, mainly a hole that is visible in the underside recess of the slide where the large capped hammer pin sits.

Apparently, although that hole looks like a defect its normal, but i found nothing about my particular issue. It's possibly a non-issue (used a red Sharpie to check if there's any rubbing of the rails and nada) but maybe someone has seen this and can chime in.

But aside from that, per Bernomad ill be contacting customer service in the morning.

[JAH 3rd]

I have an M9 commercial that’s at least 15 years old. It’s made in Maryland. I just purchased a new Italian made 92A1. Both pistols have the same cutout as the pistol pictured above. I’ve never noticed that cutout in the slide before. I had to check my Berettas so I could sleep tonight. I guess that cutout is normal. Two pistols made decades apart in two different countries. So it appears normal. I just can’t believe I didn’t see it until today.

[coN]

I have an M9 commercial that’s at least 15 years old. It’s made in Maryland. I just purchased a new Italian made 92A1. Both pistols have the same cutout as the pistol pictured above. I’ve never noticed that cutout in the slide before. I had to check my Berettas so I could sleep tonight. I guess that cutout is normal. Two pistols made decades apart in two different countries. So it appears normal. I just can’t believe I didn’t see it until today.
Both of yours have the same spring visible? Maybe it is indeed normal, but i still contacted Beretta just to check.

I'm beginning to find that this platform has various quirks that are considered normal. For example, some have a hole under the red dot of the safety, others have a small hole where the capped hammer pin is, others have a long slit that daylight can shine through, while some do not have this hole/slit at all. Very odd, but i am new to this platform so if the plunger spring being visible is normal, lesson learned.

[JAH 3rd]

I looked at my M9 and 92A1 this morning. These two pistols have the decocker/safety. I don’t see a spring visible either with the safety on or off. My thought is this cutout is for the roll pins to drop free when tapping them out. Just my opinion. The two roll pins are visible with the safety in the on position.

[CraigS]

I just pulled the slides off of three 92s and none have the spring visible. JAH, the pair of slots are for removing the roll pins. The slot in question is the one you can see the spring inside of. That is not normal at least on my 92s.

[JAH 3rd]

I looked at the picture on by home computer. Much larger screen than my phone. Oh yeah, that spring should not be playing peek-a-boo. Ain't right. Slide should be replaced! No repairing that. Now I'm wondering just how thin is the metal in that area?

[Bernomad]

I just pulled the slides off of three 92s and none have the spring visible. JAH, the pair of slots are for removing the roll pins. The slot in question is the one you can see the spring inside of. That is not normal at least on my 92s.


I looked at the picture on by home computer. Much larger screen than my phone. Oh yeah, that spring should not be playing peek-a-boo. Ain't right. Slide should be replaced! No repairing that. Now I'm wondering just how thin is the metal in that area?

I agree. It appears they were slightly off at the drill press. I wouldn’t think it was a common issue? I’m new to the Beretta 92, so my opinion is speculative.

[Bernomad]

In stalled the WC spring. Best $6.00 I’ve spent so far. Thanks for the lead on that PF.

[coN]

UPDATE: Gun shop gave full refund, bought an Inox American version. I inspected that damn gun THOROUGHLY before I walked out that door.

... It was okay.

Sucks it's not an Italian version, but at the end of the day, my 92X now has a companion.

[Bernomad]

UPDATE: Gun shop gave full refund, bought an Inox American version. I inspected that damn gun THOROUGHLY before I walked out that door.

... It was okay.

Sucks it's not an Italian version, but at the end of the day, my 92X now has a companion.

That’s good they took care of you! Order a 13lb hammer spring. It greatly improves the double action trigger pull. Langdon Tactical makes some too. I highly recommend it. Danthewolfman was right.

[JAH 3rd]

UPDATE: Gun shop gave full refund, bought an Inox American version. I inspected that damn gun THOROUGHLY before I walked out that door.

... It was okay.

Sucks it's not an Italian version, but at the end of the day, my 92X now has a companion.

Glad things worked out for you. No way that defect could be explained away.

[coN]

That’s good they took care of you! Order a 13lb hammer spring. It greatly improves the double action trigger pull. Langdon Tactical makes some too. I highly recommend it. Danthewolfman was right.
I already have an Xtreme kit with LTT trigger bar ready to go. That's my preferred setup along with the D-spring.

[CraigS]

When I looked at the three 92s I mentioned I grabbed a flashlight for one of them. It is an inox slide on an EII so maybe 20 yrs old, and dang of there isn't a slightly darker discoloration right exactly where that spring would be. So yeah, there is a really thin spot there.

[CraigS]

Wonder if they would sell it for $300.

[CSW]

Glad things worked out for you. No way that defect could be explained away.

Pulled the slide off both of the 92X guns, and the M9a1. None of them were exposed springs like that.

[Bernomad]

I already have an Xtreme kit with LTT trigger bar ready to go. That's my preferred setup along with the D-spring.

You guys are way ahead of me! That’s ok. I’ll get there.

[CraigS]

Guys you owe it to yourselves to buy just one of these. An LTT TJIB in NP3. I know it is expensive, but just for the experience one time it is worth it. Grab hammer springs from 11# to 13# when you order. The gun will be 100% defense use reliable w/ a 13#. But, if it is just a range gun, you have to try an 11#. DA <5# and SA<3# has to be shot to be believed. If you shoot your first shot in DA like I do, it is a whole new world. Suddenly you don't have to worry about that DA shot. It will be fine. While I am no where near as well off as some here, I have managed to put 5 of these in different 92s since they came out. As much as I love the 11# spring in my idpa gun, the important thing is the smoothness. Our HD 92s are NP3 but w/ a 13# spring. In a bump in the night scenario I am 100% confident that I can hit anything I need to in our house w/ that first DA shot. There was a thread a couple days ago on another forum that indicates that NP3 may be going away for retail people like us. I know that NP3 from LTT has been somewhat sketchy as far as being in stock. So I ordered 2 LTT trigger bars and wanted 2 hammers but they only had one. Maybe 1.5 yrs ago they had some NP3 triggers and I grabbed 3. Haven't seen any since.

[Bernomad]

Guys you owe it to yourselves to buy just one of these. An LTT TJIB in NP3. I know it is expensive, but just for the experience one time it is worth it. Grab hammer springs from 11# to 13# when you order. The gun will be 100% defense use reliable w/ a 13#. But, if it is just a range gun, you have to try an 11#. DA <5# and SA<3# has to be shot to be believed. If you shoot your first shot in DA like I do, it is a whole new world. Suddenly you don't have to worry about that DA shot. It will be fine. While I am no where near as well off as some here, I have managed to put 5 of these in different 92s since they came out. As much as I love the 11# spring in my idpa gun, the important thing is the smoothness. Our HD 92s are NP3 but w/ a 13# spring. In a bump in the night scenario I am 100% confident that I can hit anything I need to in our house w/ that first DA shot. There was a thread a couple days ago on another forum that indicates that NP3 may be going away for retail people like us. I know that NP3 from LTT has been somewhat sketchy as far as being in stock. So I ordered 2 LTT trigger bars and wanted 2 hammers but they only had one. Maybe 1.5 yrs ago they had some NP3 triggers and I grabbed 3. Haven't seen any since.

I appreciate the recommendations. Just when I was running out of things to spend money on.

[Bernomad]

I’m going to have to restake my extractor pin. It walked about 1/8” out of the top of my slide. It was very lightly staked from the factory.

[CraigS]

I’m going to have to restake my extractor pin. It walked about 1/8” out of the top of my slide. It was very lightly staked from the factory. If it is out 1/8 inch it is no longer seated in the bore below the extractor. So push in on the extractor as you lightly tap on the pin. The end of the pin is blunt and it will not center itself.

[SwampDweller]

Over the past week, I've put about 700 rounds through my 2020-produced Italian Beretta 92fs. Before this week, I hadn't shot it since late 2020. I forgot how accurate I am with it, even compared to my G19s. It makes me want to see about getting another Beretta 92 of some sort. I like the idea of the Langdon LTT Full Size 92, but I see it looks like they're US made. I had an American 92fs years ago and comparing it with an Italian one, the chrome lining in the barrel seemed thicker (the US chrome lining looked really thin) and overall it seemed a little bit better put together. Is there anything to the idea that Italian Berettas made in the original factory are a little better than American ones, and would this even matter with a Langdon? I've always been partial to buying a gun made in the country of its origin.

Really I'd like to just get another Italian 92fs, except for the fact that I can't replace the front sight with a night sight. I know there was a company installing a tritium front sight on the fixed front sight Beretta slides, but it appears they no longer do so. Are there any other ways to install tritium or some kind of way to get the front sight to glow in the dark with a machined front sight?

[sickeness]

Over the past week, I've put about 700 rounds through my 2020-produced Italian Beretta 92fs. Before this week, I hadn't shot it since late 2020. I forgot how accurate I am with it, even compared to my G19s. It makes me want to see about getting another Beretta 92 of some sort. I like the idea of the Langdon LTT Full Size 92, but I see it looks like they're US made. I had an American 92fs years ago and comparing it with an Italian one, the chrome lining in the barrel seemed thicker (the US chrome lining looked really thin) and overall it seemed a little bit better put together. Is there anything to the idea that Italian Berettas made in the original factory are a little better than American ones, and would this even matter with a Langdon? I've always been partial to buying a gun made in the country of its origin.

Really I'd like to just get another Italian 92fs, except for the fact that I can't replace the front sight with a night sight. I know there was a company installing a tritium front sight on the fixed front sight Beretta slides, but it appears they no longer do so. Are there any other ways to install tritium or some kind of way to get the front sight to glow in the dark with a machined front sight?

Wilson combat will drill your front sight for a fiber optic rod for $60.
You can buy tritium vials from mixglo and insert them into the hole with clear epoxy, I've done this before and it worked well and held up.

[SwampDweller]

Wilson combat will drill your front sight for a fiber optic rod for $60.
You can buy tritium vials from mixglo and insert them into the hole with clear epoxy, I've done this before and it worked well and held up.

Oh nice. Thank you, I never saw that on the custom work order form!

I don't usually carry a weapon light on a CCW gun, so I kind of like the more svelte lines of the 92fs. I also want to convert it to decocker only.

[Noah]

Oh nice. Thank you, I never saw that on the custom work order form!

I don't usually carry a weapon light on a CCW gun, so I kind of like the more svelte lines of the 92fs. I also want to convert it to decocker only.


The G decocker kit is 50 bucks or less and isn't too bad to do on your own with a good YouTube video!

A tastefully improved 92FS is a really, really good gun. Carried one for most of 2019-2021.

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[SwampDweller]

The G decocker kit is 50 bucks or less and isn't too bad to do on your own with a good YouTube video!

A tastefully improved 92FS is a really, really good gun. Carried one for most of 2019-2021.

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Very nice. What all did you do to yours?

[Noah]

Very nice. What all did you do to yours?

Painted the dot of the front sight day glo orange. It's recessed so very easy!
Blacked out Wilson rear sight.
LTT 13 lb Hammer spring for lighter DA pull
G decock kit
LTT optimized trigger bar for super short reset
Thin, aggressive Grips- Lok Veloce are my favorite. Use the LTT VZs in the pic before that.
LTT Chrome Silicon trigger spring
18 and 20 round Mec Gar mags

If budget isn't a big object, do the full LTT trigger job in a bag vs parting out the bar and hammer spring

JM Custom Kydex Wing Claw holster is a must for a 92

I'm back to carrying Glocks for the last year now after 92s then Glocks then PX4s, but my shooting buddies still call me Noah Beretta

[SwampDweller]

While cleaning my Beretta 92fs, the locking block just came out while I was cleaning it. Is this normal? I can't seem angle it to get it back in.

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[Half Moon]

While cleaning my Beretta 92fs, the locking block just came out while I was cleaning it. Is this normal? I can't seem angle it to get it back in.

114865

Theoretically it shouldn't but I had that happen once. There's a pin that needs punched out to get it back in (and ought to need removed to get it out). There are videos and guides out there if you Google Beretta locking block removal or such. In my instance didn't see any other issues and all seemed OK after reassembly. Not sure if it's indicative of anything but sure 92 gurus (which I'm not) will chime in :-)

[SwampDweller]

Theoretically it shouldn't but I had that happen once. There's a pin that needs punched out to get it back in (and ought to need removed to get it out). There are videos and guides out there if you Google Beretta locking block removal or such. In my instance didn't see any other issues and all seemed OK after reassembly. Not sure if it's indicative of anything but sure 92 gurus (which I'm not) will chime in :-)

Dang, I really hope its not indicative of something being out of spec. I love this thing and it just crossed the 1k round mark without any stoppages.

I do hope 92 gurus chime in. I'm far from one myself.

EDIT: I was able to get the locking block back in with heavy lubrication and sliding it in from the side with the plunger thing pushed inward to allow it back in. But now I'm concerned something is wrong if it's not supposed to be able to come out like that.

[Duelist]

While cleaning my Beretta 92fs, the locking block just came out while I was cleaning it. Is this normal? I can't seem angle it to get it back in.

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That’s no big deal. When I get home, I’ll pull mine out and take some pics.

ETA: here’s a Beretta USA video - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lWO5cBl1FvI&pp=ygUlQmVyZXR0YSA5MiBsb2NraW5nIHJlbW92ZSBhbmQgcmV wbGFjZQ%3D%3D

[SwampDweller]

That’s no big deal. When I get home, I’ll pull mine out and take some pics.

ETA: here’s a Beretta USA video - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lWO5cBl1FvI&pp=ygUlQmVyZXR0YSA5MiBsb2NraW5nIHJlbW92ZSBhbmQgcmV wbGFjZQ%3D%3D

Huh. He says you can't get the locking block out without removing the pin. How was I able to do it? It was completely on accident, by the way. It just kind of came out.

[Duelist]

Huh. He says you can't get the locking block out without removing the pin. How was I able to do it? It was completely on accident, by the way. It just kind of came out.

I learned on M9s that had some good wear on them, and locking blocks weren’t hard to remove. At all.

On my Italian 92A1, it’s kinda hard to do. This one has something less than 3k rounds through it, and hasn’t been dragged around by dozens of soldiers.

[GyroF-16]

While cleaning my Beretta 92fs, the locking block just came out while I was cleaning it. Is this normal? I can't seem angle it to get it back in.

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Not at all unusual in my experience. Once a gun is well broken in, it will likely happen on 50% of the cleanings.
Mine always go back in with a little finesse. No significant force required, and certainly not driving out the roll pin in the barrel.

[SwampDweller]

Not at all unusual in my experience. Once a gun is well broken in, it will likely happen on 50% of the cleanings.
Mine always go back in with a little finesse. No significant force required, and certainly not driving out the roll pin in the barrel.

Alright, cool. I only just shot over a thousand rounds through it.

[kwb377]

Wait...those aren't supposed to just fall out?

I've had at least a half dozen different 92/96 models...I think all but one the locking block would easily remove by hand (if not come out on its own). Didn't matter if they were Italian or U.S. made, or if new or well-used.

[SwampDweller]

Wait...those aren't supposed to just fall out?

I've had at least a half dozen different 92/96 models...I think all but one the locking block would easily remove by hand (if not come out on its own). Didn't matter if they were Italian or U.S. made, or if new or well-used.

That's a relief to hear. I wonder why Beretta says they can't be removed without removing that pin? Oh well, as long as it's not indicative of something being out of spec, I don't care.

[GyroF-16]

That's a relief to hear. I wonder why Beretta says they can't be removed without removing that pin? Oh well, as long as it's not indicative of something being out of spec, I don't care.

The only time I’ve had to remove the roll pin was when replacing a cracked locking block with a new, unused one.

[SwampDweller]

Speaking of the pin, I thought roll pins were supposed to be single use, but the Beretta video has the same one going back in. I guess some rollpins are re-usable?