Share you best low down dirty poker self defense technique!!

[Deaf Smith]

I'll start with mine...

See the Vulcans were sneaky folks.. That is an eye jab with either the fingers (they support each other), thumb jab (run the hand down the side of their face and jab 'em in the eye) .. groin grabber, or palm them on the nose, or run the arm over your should and 'tiger paw' them on the nose from above.

They may laugh when you give 'em the Vulcan peace sign... in fact you want them to laugh... and drop their guard!

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[MickAK]

This seems like a good way to have someone break your fingers.

[Totem Polar]

..best low down dirty poker self defense…

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I’m another who’s not a fan of striking with fully extended/straight fingers.

[jetfire]

I've got a pretty good time on the 40m sprint to a safer area while yelling for help

[the Schwartz]

I'll start with mine...

See the Vulcans were sneaky folks.. That is an eye jab with either the fingers (they support each other), thumb jab (run the hand down the side of their face and jab 'em in the eye) .. groin grabber, or palm them on the nose, or run the arm over your should and 'tiger paw' them on the nose from above.

They may laugh when you give 'em the Vulcan peace sign... in fact you want them to laugh... and drop their guard!

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[45dotACP]

Poker? I barely know her!

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[Maple Syrup Actual]

Craig's got a good story about a guy who took one of his courses and, on the basis of prior training, insisted on a stiff-fingered eye jab. I can't remember if the story ended in breakage or just dislocation, though.

All my favourite dirty moves are headbutts. So underrated. I also really like a grab-and-slug move which I at least half stole from Craig: he teaches an arm tie where you use your right hand to force the other person's left elbow back far enough that you can knife your left into the crook of their elbow, and get a serious tie on their left while using your body positioning to break them off their stance.

I have used a version of this in hockey (of course) including last night, in which I slam hard into the person and use that motion to get my left into the crook of their arm or even just a good grip on their jersey, then cock back my right to throw shots on someone who is now, briefly at least, wide open.

Last night it went exactly as far as me establishing the grip and loading up to start slugging before captain crosscheck just started shaking his head and waving it off. Seriously, it's a fun league of long-past-their-prime nobodies; there's no call to be racking up penalty minutes for roughing.

Anyway I have done it to a few guys over the years and when it has worked - nothing works all the time, I miss an arm or don't start from the right position or something, but when I have hit on all points, I get to see a moment of panic when they realize their right is momentarily out of play just from body positioning, and I'm peeling back their defense like a can opener.

Teachable moment.

[ST911]

Share you best low down dirty poker self defense technique!!

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[Lost River]

I had a very weird dude many years ago when I wore a uniform, try to do something similar to me.

He was in a bar, been asked to leave. Refused. People were tired of his shit.

Long story short, he decided he was going to show me and everyone else his "Kata" frigging dance moves.

I told him I was just a big dumb Trooper and only knew two.

I also was done with his show.

I gave him the "ask, tell, make" speech.

I told him I was going to ask him, then tell him, then make him come with me.

Because we were done for the night and he was going to jail.

He disagreed.

Weirdo did his best 1980s Karate Kid nonsense.

I simply grabbed his face and drove him backwards off balance and drove his head into the bar floor. Then kneeled on his chest so he could not breath. Then cuffed him. Done. Always loved the shocked look on their faces when it happened so fast they had that WTF just happened look.


I am not very smart, so I just keep it simple

2 rules.

Where the head goes, the body follows.
and
You can't fight if you can't breath.



:cool:

[Deaf Smith]

Craig's got a good story about a guy who took one of his courses and, on the basis of prior training, insisted on a stiff-fingered eye jab. I can't remember if the story ended in breakage or just dislocation, though.

All my favourite dirty moves are headbutts. So underrated. I also really like a grab-and-slug move which I at least half stole from Craig: he teaches an arm tie where you use your right hand to force the other person's left elbow back far enough that you can knife your left into the crook of their elbow, and get a serious tie on their left while using your body positioning to break them off their stance.

I have used a version of this in hockey (of course) including last night, in which I slam hard into the person and use that motion to get my left into the crook of their arm or even just a good grip on their jersey, then cock back my right to throw shots on someone who is now, briefly at least, wide open.

Last night it went exactly as far as me establishing the grip and loading up to start slugging before captain crosscheck just started shaking his head and waving it off. Seriously, it's a fun league of long-past-their-prime nobodies; there's no call to be racking up penalty minutes for roughing.

Anyway I have done it to a few guys over the years and when it has worked - nothing works all the time, I miss an arm or don't start from the right position or something, but when I have hit on all points, I get to see a moment of panic when they realize their right is momentarily out of play just from body positioning, and I'm peeling back their defense like a can opener.

Teachable moment.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mn7DlebO2JU

[Deaf Smith]

This seems like a good way to have someone break your fingers.

Keep you fingers together like Spock does. That way more support instead of a single finger.

[45dotACP]

Training buddy admitted to me that his sister would get him in to a lot more fights than he wanted when he was a younger man who would frequent bars....but ever since he was a white belt (he's a brown belt now), he ended every fight in seconds with an arm drag to a rear strangle, drop the guy to the floor and either run or find contestant number two.

Apparently it works very fast.

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[Flamingo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mn7DlebO2JU

I am not sure if you are trolling or you think that is a good idea?

[MickAK]

Keep you fingers together like Spock does. That way more support instead of a single finger.

Well, good luck with that.

[feudist]

I've struck several in the throat with the web of my hand. That's a good OODA loop reset. I had success with the Brachial Stun weakening their arms but never achieving the knockout.
Knees to the solar plexus are decent, but difficult to get a really hard shot in whilst standing. I did experience a perfect Zen Flow moment when a squirter on a buy-bust decided to charge me instead of evading. I had my radio in one hand and my snubby Agent in the other. As he closed in a sprint I simply lifted my knee. The timing was so perfect it knocked him off his feet and dropped him gasping for air and writhing in agony. It didn't even disturb my balance.
A Kodak moment.
I got bitten a total of 11 times in 6 incidents. This led to a response of the head twist(out of policy but what I was taught in the Academy-the only H2H training I had across 32 years) using hair or ears to grasp and either a fish hook rip or thumb in the eye(pressure-never had to gouge) to break the bite. Once I concussed a woman who was hanging from my elbow like a pit bull by palm striking her forehead full power. That dropped her to the ground semiconscious.
Never used my fists much beyond a punch or 2 to the solar plexus, with mixed results. One spectacular testicle punch.
A very bloody elbow strike that caused a lot of hand wringing and panty wetting.
A few low kicks to the ankle/achilles or peroneal-mixed results. My default was a quick hi-lo combo to break balance and then arm drag or head twist to the ground.
Suddenness and pure intention were the keys. My instant and utter willingness to use force either deterred or limited attacks to the point that my use of force remained controllable and didn't devolve into a desperate fight that forced me to really hurt them.
A lost concept today.

[Deaf Smith]

Well, good luck with that.

You ever do pushups with two fingers??? No? Start with just all five fingers with both hands... then 8.. the 6... you can learn to just use you index and middle finger...

Two fingers have far more support for an eye jab than one...

And using the principle of the strait lead... lighting fast.

[Deaf Smith]

The eyeball flick.

If ever any of you have played paper football (as kids do a lot) you know you can flick the football with your middle finger.

Not unlike ..

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Now you can get a ping pong ball, some tape, and string... go to the garage and hang the ball in the air via that string and tape.

Learn to flick, using the middle finger, and hit that ping pong ball. First slow... then faster... and FASTER..

Then, again using the strait lead as your attack method.. flick your opponent in the eye before they can react.

Once your opponent is disorientated they are now open for more attacks.

See no one can toughen up their eyes... and I've had grand masters tap me on the eyes (I was their 'demo' to the class) and I can assure you it is disorientating.)

[SouthNarc]

I thought that was called the Shocker?

I think that's what she called it....

[45dotACP]

I thought that was called the Shocker?

I think that's what she called it....Is that technique banned in ECQC?

Must be...too deadly for anything but the moist extreme situations.

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[feudist]

I thought that was called the Shocker?

I think that's what she called it....

I believe that's a, uh, three finger technique.

[Tensaw]

I believe that's a, uh, three finger technique.

Okay den,... Super Shocker!:D

[Guerrero]

Okay den,... Super Shocker!:D

No, it's "The Spocker"

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[Mister X]

I haven’t been involved in any kind of altercation in a very long time and none that I honestly couldn’t have avoided. Solid fundamentals are what carried the day, rather than any type of “dirty” tactic.

I don’t recall ever eye gouging anyone for real, but believe they can be a very useful tool, although I think they are overrated and misunderstood.

Low kicks and sweeps did seem to really catch people completely off-guard, but this was way back when. Someone mentioned 40 times, and I could post a 4.5 back in the day, which I did find extremely useful on more than one occasion. That was a long time ago though, and after violating multiple rules of stupids.

I view much of the physical stuff as being somewhat academic these days, since the most important lessons I’ve learned have been about how to avoid getting into bad situations in the first place. I know that’s no fun, but I think those are the most important elements to learn if effective self-defense is sincerely your objective. So…the wisdom that comes with age, education and experience is my most effective tool these days. .

[Borderland]

I'm a long time poker player. I don't know what a self defensive technique would look like. I've seen players try to buy every hand by bluffing but that usually ends in someone calling every hand they play. The guy with the deepest pockets wins.

Poker is 50% the luck of the draw and 50% knowing how to play what you're dealt. If you get good cards and know how to play those you can win.

Rule of thumb. Never play poker in a casino.

[MickAK]

All my favourite dirty moves are headbutts. So underrated

Pretty much this, and IMO the only thing that's remotely accurate about 'Therz no rulez on da streetz.'

People that train a lot are dangerous, and people can't train a lot with headbutts. So there's sometimes an opening there.

I think where the message gets lost is it's an opportunity to make the better trained guy reconsider how much work it's going to take to kill me as opposed to a replacement for training. Unfortunately sometimes well trained people are aware of headbutts. And they don't wear signs to that effect.

[RevolverRob]

I've got a pretty good time on the 40m sprint to a safer area while yelling for help

Says the guy who wants hurled hot coffee on a guy and then pulled out a Jetfire on them...

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Here is mine:

Shit in your hand and go to throw it at them. No one wants to fight a dude with shit in his hands. :eek:

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For real for real, one I practice is a flat sap or blackjack aided liver shot. I've never used it, but it's a strike you can theoretically execute fast and most people cover the head in default (for very, very, good reasons) when you start throwing, opening up the body for a good shot.

Other than that a good old fashioned rabbit punch is tough to beat.

[Joe in PNG]

I'm a long time poker player. I don't know what a self defensive technique would look like. I've seen players try to buy every hand by bluffing but that usually ends in someone calling every hand they play. The guy with the deepest pockets wins.

Poker is 50% the luck of the draw and 50% knowing how to play what you're dealt. If you get good cards and know how to play those you can win.

Rule of thumb. Never play poker in a casino.

There's also the one about never drawing to an inside straight, and not looking like you have a good hand when you have a good hand.

[Borderland]

There's also the one about never drawing to an inside straight, and not looking like you have a good hand when you have a good hand.






A good "poker face" is considered a prerequisite for a successful gambling career. Sarah Ferguson


I also used to bet the horses but the track was closed. Probably a good thing.

[Deaf Smith]

Pretty much this, and IMO the only thing that's remotely accurate about 'Therz no rulez on da streetz.'

People that train a lot are dangerous, and people can't train a lot with headbutts. So there's sometimes an opening there.

I think where the message gets lost is it's an opportunity to make the better trained guy reconsider how much work it's going to take to kill me as opposed to a replacement for training. Unfortunately sometimes well trained people are aware of headbutts. And they don't wear signs to that effect.

Back in collage days one of the black belts did practice head butts on punching bags.. I and a friend walked in while he was doing that and we looked at each other and thought, 'what the heck'?

I guess you could use a focus mitt or pad and have them hold it while you grab their arm and do head butts.

According to Tommy Carruthers, in the UK, head butts are very common on the streets.

[Joe in PNG]

And the best advice for poker- you gotta know when to hold 'em. Know when to fold 'em. Know when to walk away. Know when to run...

[Totem Polar]

And the best advice for poker- you gotta know when to hold 'em. Know when to fold 'em. Know when to walk away. Know when to run...

Roger that, Kenny.

[RevolverRob]

Headbutts in the UK...

Yea, they actually play soccer over there.

You guys forget you can use a header in soccer, didn't you? You learn pretty quick trying it a few times that you have to keep a stiff neck and drive with the upper body and shoulders to get the effect you want.

[45dotACP]

Roger that, Kenny.Damn...it took a while for me to catch on to that one.

Must have been too busy counting my money while sitting at the table...

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[ViniVidivici]

There'll be time enough to count it, when the dealin's done.

I too have found that lunging with all my weight pushing the web of the hand into a throat works very well, shoved one guy into a wall that way. Definitely gives you initiative.

Kick to the groin or side of knee have also yielded excellent results.

I like Craig Douglas' eye gouge technique, and practice it regularly when working the heavy bag, although I have not had occasion to use it.

[Guerrero]

I always though that the head-butt would be a handy trick to have up your sleeve, but I have no idea how to find a "qualified instructor" or how to train it.

[Erik]

Ask these guys?


https://youtu.be/ehXqrshVre4

[Smoke]

Found this technique in e-book self defense manual, defender is on the left side trying to dislocate the attacker's jaw. Sparring with this move might be messy.

[BillSWPA]

1. Being sober.

2. Being armed.

3. Staying aware of my surroundings while recognizing that anyone can be surprised.

4. Staying physically fit.

5. Avoiding stupid people, stupid places, and stupid things.

6. Dealing with and diagnosing the intentions of unknown contacts at a distance (thank you SouthNarc).

7. Training in proper technique, timing, decision making, etc. (Cecil Burch has pointed out that someone with good skills can get up to speed on a dirty trick very quickly, but someone with dirty tricks cannot acquire skill with the same speed).

8. Being a good runner for when that is appropriate.

[45dotACP]

Found this technique in e-book self defense manual, defender is on the left side trying to dislocate the attacker's jaw. Sparring with this move might be messy.Looks like what I do when I ask my dog what they're eating and they start chewing faster...

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[BWT]

Found this technique in e-book self defense manual, defender is on the left side trying to dislocate the attacker's jaw. Sparring with this move might be messy.

Dude…

I’m a nobody who’s done some Jiu Jitsu.

Putting your fingers in someone’s mouth that you’re fighting seems like a terrible idea.

Dislocating the jaw would cause pain but not stop the hands or feet. They could still stab you or grab you, etc.

[dogcaller]

Looks like what I do when I ask my dog what they're eating and they start chewing faster...

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Made me actually LOL, so thanks for that.

[Glenn E. Meyer]

In the movies, when someone hears a noise, they go to clear with the fireplace poker or the kitchen chef's knife. Does someone offer a class on responding to psycho killers and monsters with such improvised weapons. Sometimes the golf club.

I do recall an episode of I Love Lucy, where Lucy and Ricky were going to buy a home in the country and somehow at night, wandering into the wrong house to check it out. The homeowners in PJ's came down the stairs (man and wife) with pump, sporting guns! Luckily, the Ricardos survived.

[Guerrero]

Does someone offer a class on responding to psycho killers and monsters with such improvised weapons. Sometimes the golf club.

Psycho killer? Qu'est-ce que c'est?

[Glenn E. Meyer]

Qu'est-ce que c'est?

Young dude dressed as his old mother who tries to slice you up in the shower. Can you defend yourself with soap on a rope? Don't make me remember my college French, that was a bad experience.

[Joe in PNG]

Psycho killer? Qu'est-ce que c'est?

Run, run, run, run, run, run, run away

[Wondering Beard]

Qu'est-ce que c'est?

Young dude dressed as his old mother who tries to slice you up in the shower. Can you defend yourself with soap on a rope? Don't make me remember my college French, that was a bad experience.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eauZzwt8Ci8

[ViniVidivici]

1. Being sober.

2. Being armed.

3. Staying aware of my surroundings while recognizing that anyone can be surprised.

4. Staying physically fit.

5. Avoiding stupid people, stupid places, and stupid things.

6. Dealing with and diagnosing the intentions of unknown contacts at a distance (thank you SouthNarc).

7. Training in proper technique, timing, decision making, etc. (Cecil Burch has pointed out that someone with good skills can get up to speed on a dirty trick very quickly, but someone with dirty tricks cannot acquire skill with the same speed).

8. Being a good runner for when that is appropriate.

Brother, those aren't low-down dirty tricks, those are a way of life. That's normal shit right there.

[BillSWPA]

Brother, those aren't low-down dirty tricks, those are a way of life. That's normal shit right there.

Yes, and unlike many dirty tricks, it works.


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[Maple Syrup Actual]

I always though that the head-butt would be a handy trick to have up your sleeve, but I have no idea how to find a "qualified instructor" or how to train it.

I have only ever done it one way: essentially an ab crunch, while standing. To the best of my recollection, every instance was when I was working the door at this one bar that would reliably erupt into violence. I was pretty young, I'm not saying this was a good idea or anything. That's just what happened.

I have seen it done several ways. One guy did a slight crouch and speared the other guy like the old school football move, but in the face. It was pretty brutal.

The craziest one I ever saw was a guy in a verbal confrontation that looked like it was about to go hands-on who said "fuck this" and turned as if to walk away, then took a really fast half-step backwards and snapped his head back into the guy who he had correctly guessed (I think) was reaching forward to grab him from behind. He cut his head pretty badly, I'm not sure exactly how, but the guy he hit was levelled. He turned back around and started laying his boots into the guy on the ground and that's when we pulled him off.

I would never have expected a spinning reverse headbutt to work, but then I did once drop a guy in the ring with a spinning backfist and I honestly didn't think it would have much effect either. I was just going for style but man, apparently a lot of momentum when those connect.

I don't have a bunch of ring fights to my name or anything, I only fought a few times so don't infer too much from my commentary. I was never all that good, either.

[ViniVidivici]

Yes, and unlike many dirty tricks, it works.


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I happen to know that's a fact!

[UNM1136]

Instep stomp, from right below knee to ankle, medially.. Intent is to rake that thing, then crush that thing. Taught to me a USAF SF dude in the early/mid 90s...

pat

[Chain]

Instep stomp, from right below knee to ankle, medially.. Intent is to rake that thing, then crush that thing. Taught to me a USAF SF dude in the early/mid 90s...

pat

Look up purring, old-time shin kicking fights https://www.northernsoul.me.uk/clog-fighting-oldham/

[Maple Syrup Actual]

Instep stomp, from right below knee to ankle, medially.. Intent is to rake that thing, then crush that thing. Taught to me a USAF SF dude in the early/mid 90s...

pat

Back when I kickboxed one of the girls who fought out of that same school got grabbed from behind by a guy - I didn't know her well enough to get all the details about the context - but anyway she was a country girl and wearing cowboy boots and raked one of his shins with the hard instep (or outstep? The outside edge of the arch) of her boot and, apparently, opened him right up.

I don't recall it being taught there prior to that but the owner talked about it afterwards - he was really big on surviving street fights and occasionally incorporated stuff that cropped up like that.

[UNM1136]

Back when I kickboxed one of the girls who fought out of that same school got grabbed from behind by a guy - I didn't know her well enough to get all the details about the context - but anyway she was a country girl and wearing cowboy boots and raked one of his shins with the hard instep (or outstep? The outside edge of the arch) of her boot and, apparently, opened him right up.

I don't recall it being taught there prior to that but the owner talked about it afterwards - he was really big on surviving street fights and occasionally incorporated stuff that cropped up like that.

I get ya. I am referring to putting the inside edge of your foot on the medial edge of the head of the tibia. Think right foot to right knee, but it will work crosswise as well... And forcing down. Hard. The opponent's foot naturally tends to roll to the inside, creating a landing pad for your foot on their ankle as the bad guys foot now has the outside edge supported by the Planet and its extensions. Easily done from the front...

What you mentioned definitely has applications. And will F- someone up...

pat

[Deaf Smith]

Yesterday I met a gent who had just one leg (he was a leather smith I'm using to make a special knife sheath.)

He had a all metal leg below one knee.

I mentioned to him he could use that metal leg of his to make some wicked kicks with!