Sig 365 series reliability consensus….

[Warped Mindless]

I have three sig 365 pistols. One standard, one “x” and one “xl” and all of them have worked really well except for some crappy mags I got one time.

That said, I’m seeing some full time instructors bash them a lot lately saying they see them fail a lot in classes. I know we have a bunch of 365 shooters on here so my curiosity drove me to ask on here…

How reliable has your 365/x/xl/macro pistols been?

[BillSWPA]

I have two of them, both standard, and both at low round counts. The next time either malfunctions will be the first. The first one I bought is the gun I carry 95%~98% of the time.


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[fatdog]

standard and XL, both have never had a single malfunction, at least 1,500 rounds so far in each one

[Maca]

I had an early production XL - zero malfunctions in 5k+ rounds

I have a spectre comp - 2500 rounds so far with zero malfunctions.

my Macro is too new to comment.

bottom line is I've never experienced or heard of anyone else having a problem.

[RJ]

Standard P365, sold after 450 rounds, no malfunctions of any kind. P365XL, sold after 641 rounds, no malfunctions other than using it once in a USPSA match, a dropped mag had barfed it's follower out the top of the tube. I reloaded it and carried on. Current EDC P365X had two odd malfunctions in January; a stovepipe and a separate FTRB. Both were with two brand new magazines. This has not happened since with either. The gun is currently at 827 rounds, no other issues.

[awp_101]

That said, I’m seeing some full time instructors bash them a lot lately saying they see them fail a lot in classes.

I wonder how many of those “gun failures” are really operator headspace and timing issues? Are 365s as sensitive to grip and hand placement as other small pistols?

I’m far from a SIG fanboi but other than something about broken firing pins early in the front production run, I haven’t seen anything about a plague of broken 365s.

[Leroy Suggs]

P365 had multiple magazine malfunctions with hollow points.

Several feedway stoppages with hollow points

I sold it. I would not take a P365 if you gave it to me.

[D-der]

My original 365 3300-3500 rds
1st XL 7500-8000 rds
2nd Carry XL 2500 rds with the last 1000-1200 rds running a PMM Comp
Mostly 115 & 124gr with a fair amount of 147gr
At least 1/2 dozen manufacturers fmj, HST, Gold Dot, Golden Saber HP
10, 12 and 15rd mag's 2 of which have magguts kits.
With zero malfunctions of any kind

[maximus83]

P365 and P365XL. Zero failures to date, shooting Speer, CCI, Federal, WWB, PMC and Fiocchi.

They don't have as high round counts as my other pistols yet, so it'll be interesting to see if failures start. And also what the durability and wear issues look like after 5K rounds.

[4RNR]

Had standard and XL.

XL, bought in 2020, had a dead trigger from the factory. It would not reset 90% of the time. Sent back and Sig fixed it. They wrote a note as to what the problem was I just don't remember. I want to say transfer bar but....???

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[Navin Johnson]

I have three sig 365 pistols. One standard, one “x” and one “xl” and all of them have worked really well except for some crappy mags I got one time.

That said, I’m seeing some full time instructors bash them a lot lately saying they see them fail a lot in classes. I know we have a bunch of 365 shooters on here so my curiosity drove me to ask on here…

How reliable has your 365/x/xl/macro pistols been?

Whom?

[Warped Mindless]

Whom?

Most recently Chuck Haggard. Said on IG that in a class he taught focused on smaller carry pistols the 365 were the only ones to experience problems.

[wmu12071]

I have 2 P365XLs. I do not keep good round counts but I shot them for about a year which is about 5000 rounds for me. The only issues I had were when I installed a PMM comp in one and in my excitement didn't remember to put any lube on the barrel. I shot a Modern Samurai Project class with it and beat the crap out of my hands. I struggled to consistently get the safety off as I started to reduce draw times and with winter coming I went back to Glocks for now. I would not hesitate to get either out of the safe and run them.

[Mike C]

I wish I could just back on the Sig hate train but I can't, (but I still have reservations on the M18/320 lines). Mine all run perfectly, 2 of mine started life as XL's and then were converted to X models, 2 standard 365's still in the same configuration plus 1 spectre comp. All run perfectly, round counts range from north of 5700 rounds to as little at 1,000. But between all 5 that I have owned and the 4 that I still own all have run everything. HST 124 standard pressure, HST 124gr +P, HST 147gr, Speer Gold Dot 124gr standard pressure, SP Gold Dot 124gr +P, 147gr, 147gr G2, and Winchester Bonded 124 +P and 147gr all without issues. I have over 100 rounds of each duty type load through these guns but the bulk through the two most vetted for carry. My round counts also include a very wide range of commercial ball stuff, hot hand loads on down to some really downloaded 9mm because some injuries are catching up with me. I wouldn't discount anything Mr. Haggard says but mine have proven to be just as reliable as my slim line Glocks were and don't seem to care if I hang a light off the front. Sig has had a lot of rolling changes and continues to operate this way so I think this is something you still should pay attention to.

Forgot to mention I have played with converting the Spectre comp into a Macro with the grip module and mags I bought. Round count in that configuration is really low though but I like it and so long as the mags are properly designed, (I don't see what could be an issue here except maybe spring tension) it will run fine.

If you decide not to go this route I still think the G48 is an awesome gun but I don't trust the shield mags.

[claymore504]

I only have a P365XL that I got new early this year. So far zero issues. I have about 500 rounds on it now with the last 100 rounds being Federal aluminum case 115gr. I am just getting back into the P365. I pretty much carried a Shield since they came out and then got a new P635 when they first intruduced it. I got it from the Sig Pro Shop back when they would sell to LE/MIL over the phone. Before it could ship they found the front sight was dead. It finally got to me, but then i started seeing the broken stiker and broken trigger spring issues. I ended up selling it and moving back to the Shield.

I decided to give the P365XL a try since I like the manual safety and I am giving optics a try. The 500 rounds I have is nothing really, but thought I would chime in.

[Snidely Whiplash]

I bought a standard P365 in March of 2021 to replace a S&W 360pd; I couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn from 30 feet with that little revolver. The P365 was a huge upgrade in accuracy and capacity for me. I pocket carry it about 350 days a year. 1200 rounds through it so far with zero issues.

[noguns]

P365xl here with 1500 rounds of various fmj. Roughly 200 rounds of that was with gold dot and hst(147 and a mix of 124 standard and +p).
Zero malfunctions. The rounds even pass the 1911 “extractor test” the few times I tried just for fun.

[Tom Givens]

I saw a lot of issues with the early guns. Recent guns have all run well in classes the last 6 months or so.

My personal Macro/XL combo is right at 1,000 rounds now with no malfunctions of any kind.

[GJM]

The question is whether Chuck meant the 365 is less reliable than a full size service pistol, or unreliable compared to other slimline pistols. Slimline pistols generally have short slides and cram many cartridges into a small magazine, both of which can cause reliability issues. My experience with many 365 family pistols, owned by me and friends, is that the 365 is reliable by slimline standards, and maybe even by service pistol standards.

[LockedBreech]

My round count is hilariously low compared to most posts here, but our recent first vetting run of my fiancee's P365 with manual safety was about 150 rounds, Winchester Ready 124+P and Federal HST 147. No malfunctions.

[backtrail540]

I recall on a few podcasts, that Chuck had noticed issues when small autos as carried. As in not unloading carry ammo and reloading practice ammo but rather if you took the pistol straight from the holster with carry ammo still in and ran it, he seemed to notice they became a single shot and then malfunctioning on occasion. In the context it was lending praise to a snub as five for sure.

[Trooper224]

I recall on a few podcasts, that Chuck had noticed issues when small autos as carried. As in not unloading carry ammo and reloading practice ammo but rather if you took the pistol straight from the holster with carry ammo still in and ran it, he seemed to notice they became a single shot and then malfunctioning on occasion. In the context it was lending praise to a snub as five for sure.

Not specific to the 365, but when I retired I tried giving small guns a chance. A Kahr K9, a couple of .380s and a .32........ I'd already learned years before that small revolvers were a no go. Without exception, they all worked fine for me during the endgame: the actual shooting. However, when I incorporated drawing from the Holster, mag changes and everything that surrounded the actual shooting, things tended to go south pretty quickly. I think it's more about how I'm built rather than the guns, but it is what it is.

[Clusterfrack]

Not specific to the 365, but when I retired I tried giving small guns a chance. A Kahr K9, a couple of .380s and a .32........ I'd already learned years before that small revolvers were a no go. Without exception, they all worked fine for me during the endgame: the actual shooting. However, when I incorporated drawing from the Holster, mag changes and everything that surrounded the actual shooting, things tended to go south pretty quickly. I think it's more about how I'm built rather than the guns, but it is what it is.

This is a great point. I think mouseguns require special care and training to operate reliably, yet the vast majority of mousegun owners are clueless about that. E.g. to reload my LCP1.2, I had to learn (and repeatedly practice) pressing against the front edge of the baseplate to seat the mag. With a full mag, that was the only way I could reliably get it to click in. My Kahr p380s cannot be reliably loaded by simply racking; you have to lock the slide back and release the slide lock after seating the mag (that's actually in the user manual).

[Shades]

Purchased a 365 XL MS about a year ago. At about 300 rds the trigger went dead, flopping loosely back and forth. Sent it back to SIG - CS was very good, fast response - and when returned was accompanied by a note that the trigger bar and spring had been replaced. They noted that they had test-fired the gun with Win 147 grain jhp. I've since put about 200 rds through it and no more problems. Given the overall good rep the guns have, I've begun carrying it again. It shoots fmjs and jhps equally well. It's currently loaded with Win RA9T, which shoots to the sights.

My only gripe about the gun is that it's easy to press down inadvertently on the slide release and cause an FTLB. This is a user issue that just requires a slight grip change, some focus and practice. Size-wise the gun's just about perfect for me and my hands; big enough to get ahold of, but small enough to conceal well. It's the only SIG I own, except for Mrs. Shades' P6, which I'm forbidden from playing with because, you know, it's hers!

[Jamesa]

I've got 2 XL's. The first broke a trigger return spring at about 7,500 rounds. Sig CS fixed and returned it quickly. About 1,000 through it since with no problems. Second at about 2,500 rounds and has been perfect so far.

[Paul Blackburn]

The issues noted in this thread alone are enough for me to steer clear.

[G19Fan]

We have a handful of p365xl and p365xl.macro

My training gun has had some failure to extract with tula ammo when it gets hot (to be fair because it is a dedicated training gun it has also not been cleaned in the last 900 or so rounds, primarily steel). It does not have any issues with brass. It has a true precision xl barrel not an oem sig (my wife's doesn't have this issue).

One of my wife's had a mag feeling issue with 10 round xl mag but went away once that mag was tossed.

I am generally a sig hater (ahem dislike the p320 series) but they did a great job on the p365 series imo

[BN]

I recall on a few podcasts, that Chuck had noticed issues when small autos as carried. As in not unloading carry ammo and reloading practice ammo but rather if you took the pistol straight from the holster with carry ammo still in and ran it, he seemed to notice they became a single shot and then malfunctioning on occasion. In the context it was lending praise to a snub as five for sure.

I don't have a 365, but I've carried many pocket autos over the years. At least one of them would let the mag button depress releasing the mag. Standard practice for me was to press on the bottom of the mag from time to time to check it.

When practicing with a pocket gun, I like to just draw it from my pocket and run a drill with the carry load that is in the gun at the time. I would have a problem often enough to be a worry.

I now pocket carry J-Frame size revolvers and figure that I need to solve any problem with whatever is in the gun. I carry a speed loader and a speed strip but I don't fool myself.

[APS-PF]

I have 3 365s and 3 XLs from my manual safety experiment. Mine were reliable enough for your typical buyer. But I had some feed ramp nosedives with HPs. Also when you would dry fire and then engage the safety, a few of them would do one thing (lock up the slide completely) and a few of them would not. That variance in function, along with the cloud of 320 gave me the icks and I went back to 19/26/42.

[O4L]

The question is whether Chuck meant the 365 is less reliable than a full size service pistol, or unreliable compared to other slimline pistols. Slimline pistols generally have short slides and cram many cartridges into a small magazine, both of which can cause reliability issues. My experience with many 365 family pistols, owned by me and friends, is that the 365 is reliable by slimline standards, and maybe even by service pistol standards.

Just to be clear, what do you consider the slim line standards to be vs. service pistol standards?

I'm thinking standards for a EDC weapon, not just a training/gaming/range weapon.

Thanks.

[JCN]

I have owned P365s since they first came out in early 2018.

They have been reliable but with the caveats that you have to vet your equipment.

In the beginning with the 10 round standard grip plus extension I was dropping mags on the draw because my grip and holster would hit the release. Just not a lot of free room there for fingers.

So I think administratively, it’s not as forgiving.

Physics are physics.

It’s good enough for me to carry, but small guns are small guns.

[Warped Mindless]

The issues noted in this thread alone are enough for me to steer clear.

The majority seem to not have any issues. I’m betting if I posted a thread asking about Glock reliability people would also chime in with problems.

Just thinking out loud…

[MVS]

Not really a Sig fan but I can't help but like the 365 line. 320 not so much. I only have a XL with about 3,000 rounds through it. I have shot it in a couple of IDPA carry gun matches and normal practice. Never had an issue. It feeds 147 HST and 124 +p Gold Dot just fine. I am very much interested in adding a Macro. If there are an abnormal amount of problems with these guns it is a surprise to me and I see quite a few of them actually being used at my local club.

[WobblyPossum]

HCM has a much wider breadth of experience than I do and will hopefully chime in, but I haven’t seen or heard of any widespread issues at our agency. The P365 series is one of three types of authorized personally owned weapons, the other two types being double-stack 9mm Glocks and a couple of specific SKUs of the P320. There are A LOT of P365s being carried. I can’t say how often the guns are shot outside of quarterly qualifications and range days, but I see many more malfunctions with the issued P320s than I do with the personally owned P365s. My understanding is that the testing which led to the approval of P365s included firing something like 10k rounds through some of the test guns and they passed with flying colors. The issued duty ammo is 124gr +P GDHP and the guns seem to do well with it.

[HCM]

HCM has a much wider breadth of experience than I do and will hopefully chime in, but I haven’t seen or heard of any widespread issues at our agency. The P365 series is one of three types of authorized personally owned weapons, the other two types being double-stack 9mm Glocks and a couple of specific SKUs of the P320. There are A LOT of P365s being carried. I can’t say how often the guns are shot outside of quarterly qualifications and range days, but I see many more malfunctions with the issued P320s than I do with the personally owned P365s. My understanding is that the testing which led to the approval of P365s included firing something like 10k rounds through some of the test guns and they passed with flying colors. The issued duty ammo is 124gr +P GDHP and the guns seem to do well with it.

As you said we have a lot of personally owned P365 series guns in service.

First I’ve never seen or heard of any safety / mechanical ND issues with 365 series guns.

Second IME the 365 series guns are significantly more reliable than the slim Glocks.

We did see some QC issues 2-3 years ago, specifically some out of spec take down levers and some loose rear sights due to oversized dovetails. SIG’s fix for the latter issue is oversized rear sights..

I’ve seen one failure of an early 365 in which during firing the striker shroud failed causing the back plate of the slide to drop out and the striker to pop out under recoil. I believe Gadfly has seen one of these as well.,

What ever it is SIG is apparently aware of it and has a fix.

I can say that our agency now requires all new personally owned 365 series guns be SIG LE SKU guns from their IOP/Blue Label program due to the higher levels of QC. Previously we could buy any 365 series guns (LE or commercial).

Everything breaks if you run it hard enough and every platform has issues if you increase the sample size enough. That said, I still think the 365 series is the best in its class.

[MickAK]

I don't think reliability = you can treat stuff like crap, not pay attention to how it's made and what it's for, and still expect it to do what you want.

The 365XL is an extremely well designed and reliable pistol for what it does and what it's for. It's a SIG and it should go without saying nowadays that you should inspect it for QC issues. The magazines are thin sheet metal with springs in them.

I can see how 365's could fail, but that doesn't mean they should. Look at your stuff.

[Gadfly]

I’ve seen one failure of an early 365 in which during firing the striker shroud failed causing the back plate of the slide to drop out and the striker to pop out under recoil. I believe Gadfly has seen one of these as well.,

What ever it is SIG is apparently aware of it and has a fix.

I can say that our agency now requires all new personally owned 365 series guns be SIG LE SKU guns from their IOP/Blue Label program due to the higher levels of QC. Previously we could buy any 365 series guns (LE or commercial).

Everything breaks if you run it hard enough and every platform has issues if you increase the sample size enough. That said, I still think the 365 series is the best in its class.

Yes, we have had one 365 spontaneously eject its slide cover plate during firing on the range. We found all the parts, but the gun was out of the fight during that malfunction for sure. Called up the national armory, who said it was a know problem with a known parts replacement solution. This was an earlier model standard 365, and the malfunction was in December of 2020 per my photos.

All that said, I have seen Beretta's, glocks, Sigs, and HKs all break at some point on our firing lines. Considering the volume of hot duty ammo we feed these things, they all perform very well. The 365 is an excellent gun. A quote I heard from one of the guys involved in its testing and approval for us said "we have tested a lot of guns over the years, and there is just no way a gun that small should have preformed that well in testing." I would agree.

My only complaints? Rust. The shinny bluing on the mag will rust if I stare at it to hard. The mags we issue for the 320 have an excellent coating on them, but the 365 mags need a better finish. The slide and trigger seem impervious to rust, but the mag release button, sights, and rear trigger housing pin rust early and often. They need the same coating on all parts. I carry a 365 daily, I will eventually get an RDS version. Reliable and accurate, just make sure you check a few spots for rust and wipe a little oil there.


Side note: I have been off the forum for a while. Nothing personal, I am just not sitting at my work desk like I was. It was easy to burn an hour or so per day on here. The phone version of this it damn near impossible for my old eyes... I have been long term TDY to fletc for a while now, with a few more months to go. I work at the ranges or interactive cover course (simmunitions/airsoft) so i am never at a desk, and never staring at a computer most of the day. When I go home in January, its back to the cubicle... which I am sure will bring me back here more often.

[HeavyDuty]

Gadfly mentioned what I think is the only real issue with the P365 series - the magazine finish. Is anyone out there offering a coating service?

[jlw]

I saw "more" P365s in classes this year than in previous years. I don't recall a single malfunction.

I have an LE non-comped Macro on order.

[RJ]

I have an LE non-comped Macro on order.

Wait...what?

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[jlw]

Wait...what?

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There are three versions available through LE sales channels. They are not comped and have the full 3.7 inch barrel. One has standard sights, one has suppressor height sights, and the third has suppressor sights and comes with a Sig optic. The plate is separate from the rear sight on all three.

[RJ]

There are three versions available through LE sales channels. They are not comped and have the full 3.7 inch barrel. One has standard sights, one has suppressor height sights, and the third has suppressor sights and comes with a Sig optic. The plate is separate from the rear sight on all three.

Awesome sauce, thanks jlw.

[Biggy]

Mine is plenty accurate and has been totally reliable with both FMJ ball ammo and with my self defense JHP ammo. Also, I have had no issues with the Holosun EPS carry optic.

https://i.imgur.com/G966tTph.jpg

[HCM]

There are three versions available through LE sales channels. They are not comped and have the full 3.7 inch barrel. One has standard sights, one has suppressor height sights, and the third has suppressor sights and comes with a Sig optic. The plate is separate from the rear sight on all three.


The X and XL versions with the optics cut / slide plate separate from the rear sight (RXZE models) are commercially available.

SIG has teased a non ported MACRO to LE/GOV and had one one display at the AUSA show but there have been no formal announcements.

https://soldiersystems.net/2022/10/10/ausa-22-evolution-of-sig-p365/

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[Warped Mindless]

The X and XL versions with the optics cut / slide plate separate from the rear sight (RXZE models) are commercially available.

SIG has teased a non ported MACRO to LE/GOV and had one one display at the AUSA show but there have been no formal announcements.

https://soldiersystems.net/2022/10/10/ausa-22-evolution-of-sig-p365/

96181

Sig is printing money with these pistols so I expect to see lots of variations and special versions released for years to come.

[HCM]

Sig is printing money with these pistols so I expect to see lots of variations and special versions released for years to come.

SIG gonna SIG

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[spinmove_]

SIG gonna SIG

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There it is! I was just waiting for when it was going to happen. Figured they would have done an “Equinox” variant first though.

[luckyman]

There it is! I was just waiting for when it was going to happen. Figured they would have done an “Equinox” variant first though.

Meanwhile I can’t find a vanilla 365xl anywhere

[JAD]

I haven’t put enough rounds through my compact to comment, but four days at Gunsite showed the XL to be reliable except when the mag was not fully inserted, which came up a lot. I now download the reload.

[HCM]

I haven’t put enough rounds through my compact to comment, but four days at Gunsite showed the XL to be reliable except when the mag was not fully inserted, which came up a lot. I now download the reload.

If 365 series mags are not properly re-assembled they will spontaneity disassemble, often when you load or fire your first shot.

[JAD]

If 365 series mags are not properly re-assembled they will spontaneity disassemble, often when you load or fire your first shot.
I had lots of opportunities to disassemble and reassemble the mags on the line thanks to gravel, something I haven’t experienced with Glock or 1911 mags. However, the mags held together— though the gun would spontaneously disassemble by dropping the mag.

[spinmove_]

So, is it safe to assume the .380 variant(s) are GTG as well at this point or should we expect a bit of a teething period for these still? I’m interested in the .380 variant as it just would be that much more controllable in such a small package. Are there any loads that would actually reliably expand in the 9mm P365s?

[evi1joe]

I had one of the FIRST 365s off the line and it had failure to back into battery. Sold it at a loss to a friend, and after break-in, he's never had a problem and is sitting at 3K rounds (he also had to use it in self-defense and it went bang).

Same story with one of the FIRST 365XLs off the line...failure to go into battery.

Since then, I've owned two other 365s, a Spectre Comp, two XLs, and two MACROs, and a P365-380, and all have been 100%.
I think any 365 made after 2021 is going to be good to go.

[G19Fan]

So, is it safe to assume the .380 variant(s) are GTG as well at this point or should we expect a bit of a teething period for these still? I’m interested in the .380 variant as it just would be that much more controllable in such a small package. Are there any loads that would actually reliably expand in the 9mm P365s?

Anecdotal evidence has those being more finicky

[DMCutter]

Mine is Feb 2018. No issues. I replaced the striker as PM last year, not because I needed to. It's a keeper.

[Deaf Smith]

P365 and P365XL. Zero failures to date, shooting Speer, CCI, Federal, WWB, PMC and Fiocchi.

They don't have as high round counts as my other pistols yet, so it'll be interesting to see if failures start. And also what the durability and wear issues look like after 5K rounds.

Me to. I highly rate them and I carry the XL behind the hip and the P365 in appendix position.

[TicTacticalTimmy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ei90kVQhjm8

Potential mechanical issue for the P365. A couple people in the comments say it has happened to them as well.

[maximus83]

^That's bad. Hopefully an anomalous sample of one.

Interested to hear if Sig will provide a more detailed explanation when he gets it back from warranty. Also wondering if others have experienced this. I haven't and don't recall reading about this type of AD here.

[RJ]

^ This seems to be a case of the striker not releasing, correct?

I watched the video with the sound off, just subtitles, but did I miss the part where he removed the striker to check for dirt, debris, manufacturing assembly lube residue or excess cleaning lubrication? It would seem like the thing to do...