springfield 1911

[rockymtnnut]

Wich one(s) are made in U. S. A. ??? I don't want a 1911 made in Brazil for any reason.

[JDM]

I believe all Springfield manufactured frames begin life in Brazil.

[John Ralston]

I think all of the frames come from Brazil...

If you want one marked Made in USA, you are probably going to have to pick one out at the gun store that is marked as such, since the guns may or may not come from Brazil. The exceptions might be the TRP and anything out of the Custom Shop...but the frame and slide forgings will still be from Brazil.

[rockymtnnut]

I think all of the frames come from Brazil...

If you want one marked Made in USA, you are probably going to have to pick one out at the gun store that is marked as such, since the guns may or may not come from Brazil. The exceptions might be the TRP and anything out of the Custom Shop...but the frame and slide forgings will still be from Brazil.

Bummer!!@@

[DocGKR]

There is nothing wrong with the Brazilian SA frames.

[BLR]

All are forged in Brazil.

Some (NM) guns are only forged and 50% machined in Brazil, then finish machined in the US.

Others (N) guns, are 100% Brazil.

I've had mixed luck w/ N guns, and excellent luck with NM guns. All custom shop guns are "NM" guns (the Pro's are NM guns, with special serial numbers).

[Sparks2112]

I'm pretty impressed with the TRP Operator we've got sitting on the shelf right now, and it's an NM gun.

[Kevin B.]

I have a custom build on an N-#'d gun that has close to 40k through it. Other than a crack in the frame rail above the slide stop window (no exactly an uncommon occurrence on a 1911), no issues.

I have a NM-#'d TRP with maybe 5k through it. No issues there, either.

[JSGlock34]

My parkerized NM Loaded (PX9109L) has been a pleasant surprise, especially considering it cost less than $700. With CMC magazines I've yet to have a problem. Some Wilson 47Ds have proven more problematic, but I recently upgraded these magazines using the Tripp kit and so far the results have been promising. Unfortunately, I don't give the 1911 nearly as much attention as the Glocks in my safe.

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x131/JSGlock34/19112.jpg?t=1318192149

[rockymtnnut]

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There is nothing wrong with the Brazilian SA frames.

I know they are really nice looking ,but for me its kind of like truth ,justice, apple pie ,mom, 1911,the American way.

[JonInWA]

As a former troop leader, I'd much rather be able to apply truth, justice and the American way with kit that works and is both durable and reliable throughout its forecasted lifespan regardless of the environment that it has to be deployed to, especially envisioning a possibility, if not probability of minimal echelon (and/or organic) support "in country". Just sayin'...

Best, Jon

[rockymtnnut]

As a former troop leader, I'd much rather be able to apply truth, justice and the American way with kit that works and is both durable and reliable throughout its forecasted lifespan regardless of the environment that it has to be deployed to, especially envisioning a possibility, if not probability of minimal echelon (and/or organic) support "in country". Just sayin'...

Best, Jon

Ok jon English please :)

[Al T.]

I'm not Jon, but allow me to attempt to translate:


I don't give two flips who made it, if me and my people are going to have to use it in combat, it had better freaking work.

[DocGKR]

Since over the years the USMC has purchased a lot of Brazilian made SA parts for their M45's/MEU-SOC M1911's, I guess they feel OK about the issue...

[rockymtnnut]

They make a beautiful 1911 I try to stay stateside now especially with a 1911 I have my eyes set as we speak on two moderately priced 1911s ruger and remington both in stainless and both.made in good ole U S. A...
The remington is almost identical quality wise to my Colt combat commander .

[rockymtnnut]

Since over the years the USMC has purchased a lot of Brazilian made SA parts for their M45's/MEU-SOC M1911's, I guess they feel OK about the issue...

Springfield Armory is a great company to deal with though,they have been great with my M 1 A I do believe we have to start buying American though if we are going to survive.

[Timbonez]

They make a beautiful 1911 I try to stay stateside now especially with a 1911 I have my eyes set as we speak on two moderately priced 1911s river and remington both in stainless and both.made in good ole U S. A...
The remington is almost identical quality wise to my Colt combat commander .

A current production Remington 1911 is not in the same league as a Colt. Colt wins that one.

[rockymtnnut]

I am a colt man through and through but unless you're willing to go on the internet you can't find them around here . seriously take a look at the Remington's fit and finish as well as the Ruger .

[DocGKR]

"fit and finish"...really?!?!?

I truly could care less about fit and finish. I do care very much about functional reliability and durability.

[Timbonez]

I have and I'm not impressed by them. You get what you pay for. Colt's parts quality is superior to both of those manufacturers. They are probably the best production 1911 you can buy in their price range.

[rockymtnnut]

I have and I'm not impressed by them. You get what you pay for. Colt's parts quality is superior to both of those manufacturers. They are probably the best production 1911 you can buy in their price range.

I agree but were talking about a mid 600 dollar price range to start with. I carry a combat commander 70 series. With some work done to it . I just watched a grey hair gentleman this weekend shoot the center out of the target with a ruger 1911.

[LittleLebowski]

Since over the years the USMC has purchased a lot of Brazilian made SA parts for their M45's/MEU-SOC M1911's, I guess they feel OK about the issue...

I've sure seen at least one pile of broken ones :D

[rockymtnnut]

"fit and finish"...really?!?!?

I truly could care less about fit and finish. I do care very much about functional reliability and durability.

Yes really ,if I would have shot it I would have commented on it . Most people when they buy a 1911 Change it up. So I like a 1911 to look good. How do you judge function and reliability until you buy it and get it out.

[Sparks2112]

Yes really ,if I would have shot it I would have commented on it . Most people when they buy a 1911 Chang it up. So I like a 1911 to look good. How do you judge function and reliability until you buy it and get it out.

We really need an eating popcorn emoticon...

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j90/rkortes/Fall%202009/smiley2eatingpopcorn.gif

[DocGKR]

Well, I find the best way is to assess how firearms are doing in service with various agencies and organizations. One can get a good sense of how things are going by speaking with the training/range/armorer staff at larger facilities who are supervising 500-5000+ weapons. In addition, I get to observe how things are going with folks at training classes I teach or am a student at.

[rockymtnnut]

Well, I find the best way is to assess how firearms are doing in service with various agencies and organizations. One can get a good sense of how things are going by speaking with the training/range/armorer staff at larger facilities who are supervising 500-5000+ weapons. In addition, I get to observe how things are going with folks at training classes I teach or am a student at.

Doc I didn't meen to insult you on the other thread and what the last poster wrote couldn't be further from the truth . I do trust your research and I do trust your judgement . I am guilty of enjoying good healthy debate .enough with that what is your take on the ruger and remington??

[Mr_White]

Most people when they buy a 1911 Chang it up.

I don't understand. What does it mean to 'Chang up a 1911'?

[rockymtnnut]

add a beavertail, change the trigger,change the hammer, change the sights, true up the extractor, mess around with a barrel link,change the mainspring housing, get a different barrel bushing ,change the site again, polish the feed ramp ,throat the chamber, tighten up the rails, stone the sear,true up the hammer ,change the slide stop change the safety and 1000 other things I forgot to mention they are the hot rod of pistols .

[DocGKR]

Why not get a properly built 1911 that does not need to be "changed-up" to provide effective, reliable, and durable service?

The best info readily available on the 1911 for duty/carry use is likely here: http://www.10-8performance.com/pages/Articles.html.

[rockymtnnut]

Why not get a properly built 1911 that does not need to be "changed-up" to provide effective, reliable, and durable service?

The best info readily available on the 1911 for duty/carry use is likely here: http://www.10-8performance.com/pages/Articles.html.

I've got one its a Sig carry it is reliable as the magazine you use in it . Use wilsons no problems use kimbers problems. My Colt is a work in progress it will probably never be Finnished. I want a full sized slide 1911 to be my next money pit. I would love a Wilson or a Brown or a Les B. I am in the minority I think they are worth every penny you pay for them. I got to watch the guys at Wilson make a 1911 its much more involved than grabbing parts as I'm sure you already know .
Doc what do you carry? In 1911 that is... How do you have it set up??

[BLR]

A well built, needs nothing 1911 is this:

http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=33203

I'd argue for getting the Armory Kote version, but whatever. Pictures can be found all over the internet.

Or this: http://www.gunsite.com/main/proshop/gunsmithy/gunsite-colt-service-pistol/

Between the two, I'd argue in favor of the Colt, though I think SAs 20lpi checkering is the cats ass. I don't dig on the ILS mag well.

The Kimber HD and DW Valor are equally nice.

Notice the price is roughly $1300 for each one? Message there. You can find proponents and detractors for each. Like I said, personally, I like the Colt. But, really, that's because Colt roll marks kick ass.

[DocGKR]

I used 1911's from 1986-2010; M1911A1's in the military along with a variety of custom 1911's built on Colt or SA frames for LE and CCW use. Here are some of the 1911's I have used that were customized by C&S, Dave Berryhill, Larry Vickers, Chuck Rogers.

1050

In 2011 I stopped using 1911's, as there are better choices available. If I was forced to go back to carrying a 1911 for some bizarre reason, it would be something like this one:
http://www.10-8forums.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=7966&filename=SA%20LW%201911%20RMR.jpg

[rockymtnnut]

I was originally under the understanding that there custom line was using American forged frames and slides. When I went to camp Perry for the m1 a match I.got to deal first hand with their armorers and I was impressed with them. I.admit I have un merited hang ups with the Brazilian made frames .