New P226 X Five?

[Noah]

Anyone know anything about this? New P226 X Five with an optics cut and P320 style slide profile.

https://youtube.com/shorts/U9IxrDkP54Y?feature=share

[AMC]

Probably gonna be a sweet pistol, but I'm unsure of the intended market. Is this intended to compete against 2011s in either Limited or the new "Staccato Red Dot" Divisions?

[Noah]

https://s2133745391.t.en25.com/e/es?s=2133745391&e=1026182&elqTrackId=efd74c1a1b7a40299e524d6e5aa03bea&elq=431980b21d7146a88a94c232c8a553e0&elqaid=945&elqat=1

Release from Sig.

[David S.]

https://youtu.be/K9HJQek21q4


https://youtu.be/9Lu7mty5nbQ

[Spartan1980]

Probably gonna be a sweet pistol, but I'm unsure of the intended market. Is this intended to compete against 2011s in either Limited or the new "Staccato Red Dot" Divisions?

My exact thoughts when I saw the email this morning. I kinda want one but don't know why or what for...

[Squib308]

Does it come with a legion coin? At least this way the buyer gets something reliable from sig.

[taadski]

The several original X5s I own, and others I've handled, are some of the most shootable pistols I've ever come across, to include a potpourri of custom 1911s and the like.

That said their long time achilles heel has been their internal extractors, which incidentally have reached new levels of unobtainium. I have a small supply of extras for my guns, but I fear finding them is only going to get more difficult (and pricey).

So in that regard, I'm pretty excited about this new version, complete with the long external extractor (which is, in my experience, a more robust and more user serviceable design). I have hopes that perhaps replacement slides of the new design might become available. I'd like nothing more that to continue shooting the shit out of mine without fear of them getting sidelined due to lack of parts availability.

There were several references in the videos to these being more reasonably priced than the originals. I'm keenly interested in what exactly that means.

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[YVK]

Is this intended to compete against 2011s in either Limited or the new "Staccato Red Dot" Divisions?

Those were my thoughts. When it was said that USPSA was in talks with the industry, I was thinking who in the industry had enough pull. STI makes like 15k guns a year, give or take $30 mil gross. They can probably afford to buy Jake some ammo but doubt they can be a big player. SIG has loads of cash and puts their name on every other Nationals. They knew that this was coming and that this has no use other than plinking by fanboys. Wouldn't be the first time Strader made a new division.

[YVK]

There were several references in the videos to these being more reasonably priced than the originals. I'm keenly interested in what exactly that means.



One site shows $2200, out of stock, of course.

[taadski]

One site shows $2200, out of stock, of course.


Given the price point of the American P 210s, I was hoping for a little less expensive than that. But yes, that is certainly less expensive than the German ones. Now anyway. 😎

[45dotACP]

Man as a younger poor I once lusted for a 226 X five.

But oddly, I kinda want a DA/SA

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[GJM]

The several original X5s I own, and others I've handled, are some of the most shootable pistols I've ever come across, to include a potpourri of custom 1911s and the like.

That said their long time achilles heel has been their internal extractors, which incidentally have reached new levels of unobtainium. I have a small supply of extras for my guns, but I fear finding them is only going to get more difficult (and pricey).

So in that regard, I'm pretty excited about this new version, complete with the long external extractor (which is, in my experience, a more robust and more user serviceable design). I have hopes that perhaps replacement slides of the new design might become available. I'd like nothing more that to continue shooting the shit out of mine without fear of them getting sidelined due to lack of parts availability.

There were several references in the videos to these being more reasonably priced than the originals. I'm keenly interested in what exactly that means.

t

Max M says he shoots the 226 X5 better than any other pistol.

[45dotACP]

Max M says he shoots the 226 X5 better than any other pistol.Isn't he Sig's sponsored shooter tho?

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[Noah]

Isn't he Sig's sponsored shooter tho?

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For sure. But he started as a 226 shooter and has been shooting 320s the last few years because the boss has told him to.

[EVP]

The several original X5s I own, and others I've handled, are some of the most shootable pistols I've ever come across, to include a potpourri of custom 1911s and the like.

t


I remember a long time back I shot one of the German custom shop X5 and it was simply awesome. I was newer to shooting pistols back then but it was the best shooting gun I shot at that time and really memorable. Excellent build quality and everything just seemed special.



When sig came out with the 320 x5s I kinda scoffed at them because of what the German x5 were. Glad to see them coming out again but I wish they would be built to the same level those German custom shop guns were built to.

[YVK]

Max M says he shoots the 226 X5 better than any other pistol.

That's probably why he kept shooting a 2011 in Open until 320s arrived.

[taadski]

Man as a younger poor I once lusted for a 226 X five.

But oddly, I kinda want a DA/SA

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This is a pair of Allrounds that were my USPSA guns for a time. They make most of the other pistols in my safe feel like a bit of a chore to shoot, if I’m being honest.


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[GJM]

This is a pair of Allrounds that were my USPSA guns for a time. They make most of the other pistols in my safe feel like a bit of a chore to shoot, if I’m being honest.


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Cut one of those bitches for a dot!

[Sal Picante]

I've got a dirty secret: As much as I love the Beretta 92, the Sig 226 (and the old P239) is among my favorite pistols.

I with the X5 AllRounds would've come with the short extractor, I probably would've shot that in USPSA if it did...



This is a pair of Allrounds that were my USPSA guns for a time. They make most of the other pistols in my safe feel like a bit of a chore to shoot, if I’m being honest.


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[psalms144.1]

If it wasn't $2200, I'd be on this like a fat kid on cake.

I "grew up" in LE shooting and carrying a P226 - would LOVE to get one of these. Unfortunately, I think it's just outside my price range. Sure they'll sell a butt load of them, though.

[TeeBee]

Very cool. But I don't know if it's $2200 cool.

I might lean towards a CZ Shadow 2 optics-ready, if I was in the market for such type of gun. I might even consider a SAO Shadow 2 and have it cut for an RDO.

[psalms144.1]

Very cool. But I don't know if it's $2200 cool.

I might lean towards a CZ Shadow 2 optics-ready, if I was in the market for such type of gun. I might even consider a SAO Shadow 2 and have it cut for an RDO.I've got a S2 OR, which is bought for $1400. The price tag on this X5 (and a Staccato P DUO) is one of the major factors keeping me with the S2. How much better is this going to be to be worth the cost?

On the SAO S2, I find the manual safety on all the Shadows to be so poorly placed that I just ignore mine. Not sure I'd want to tie myself to that platform without getting a good period of time on it using the safety placement.

[TeeBee]

I've got a S2 OR, which is bought for $1400. The price tag on this X5 (and a Staccato P DUO) is one of the major factors keeping me with the S2. How much better is this going to be to be worth the cost?

On the SAO S2, I find the manual safety on all the Shadows to be so poorly placed that I just ignore mine. Not sure I'd want to tie myself to that platform without getting a good period of time on it using the safety placement.

I'd like to own an S2 someday. For now, I've been renting one on a semi-regular basis when I go to a local indoor range. I personally don't have a problem with the placement of the safety, but I could see it being a problem if one is used to a thumb safety of a 1911, or something similar. My personal experience with CZ-75 thumb safeties is limited to the S2, TS 2, and my 75B Omega. The extended safety option on the S2/TS2 is one upgrade I would make to a my Omega, if I could find such an item.

[GJM]

https://youtu.be/PAjIx5ttY84

[JHC]

https://youtu.be/PAjIx5ttY84

We're counting on you to wring one out and report. ;)

[YVK]

We're counting on you to wring one out and report. ;)We're awaiting on USPSA's move on SAO guns and slide mounted optics because until then we don't know what to do with this thing.

[Sensei]

Held one at the local gun store. Impressive feel and trigger. Probably very fun to shoot but it is essentially a range toy that can’t be used in competition. Then, there is the Sig Sauer USA factor - it takes them 3 years and 4 generations to fix the bugs.

[Sensei]

We're awaiting on USPSA's move on SAO guns and slide mounted optics because until then we don't know what to do with this thing.

It seems like there are multiple issues limiting this gun to USPSA open division, correct? The SAO is one issue, but I don’t think that it will fit into any competition box out there (USPSA, IPSC, or IDPA). I’m basing this on a recollection that the other SAO 226 models fail the box test because of the safety. Then, there is the weight limit issues that take it out of IPSC and IPDA, right?

On the other hand, I think that it’s major competitor is the Beretta 92X Performance that is at least compliant with 2 or 3 IPDA divisions.

Thus, it seems like it will take multiple big changes to USPSA and IPDA to get this gun in a match where it doesn’t get smoked by race guns in an open division.

Yet, still I want one. Like, really, really want…

[YVK]

It seems like there are multiple issues limiting this gun to USPSA open division, correct?

Correct, at this time yes.
There are persistent rumors of USPSA considering an introduction of a slide mounted optic SAO division.
Equally persistent are the rumors of a DA/SA version of thid gun coming later, meaning two USPSA divisions.

[JCN]

It seems like there are multiple issues limiting this gun to USPSA open division, correct? The SAO is one issue, but I don’t think that it will fit into any competition box out there (USPSA, IPSC, or IDPA). I’m basing this on a recollection that the other SAO 226 models fail the box test because of the safety. Then, there is the weight limit issues that take it out of IPSC and IPDA, right?

On the other hand, I think that it’s major competitor is the Beretta 92X Performance that is at least compliant with 2 or 3 IPDA divisions.

Thus, it seems like it will take multiple big changes to USPSA and IPDA to get this gun in a match where it doesn’t get smoked by race guns in an open division.

Yet, still I want one. Like, really, really want…

I have a P229 Legion SAO that I trimmed the right side safety a few mm to fit in a box.

[Sensei]

I have a P229 Legion SAO that I trimmed the right side safety a few mm to fit in a box.

I don’t like trimming MIM parts - especially on a $2.3K gun…

[JCN]

I don’t like trimming MIM parts - especially on a $2.3K gun…

I don’t subscribe to that philosophy. :)

If I can’t use the gun for sport, then it’s wasted money (to me).

If I can Dremel a $50 MIM part that’s user replaceable in order to use it in the sport I want, seems worth it to me?

Did the same with an EDC X9 safety too, before they came out with slim safeties.

I did buy a spare safety for the P229 just in case.

[Sensei]

I don’t subscribe to that philosophy. :)

If I can’t use the gun for sport, then it’s wasted money (to me).

If I can Dremel a $50 MIM part that’s user replaceable in order to use it in the sport I want, seems worth it to me?

Did the same with an EDC X9 safety too, before they came out with slim safeties.

I did buy a spare safety for the P229 just in case.

A few thoughts and questions:

1) Where am I going to find a replacement safety for this American made X-5 if my dremel skills were to fail me? My understanding is that the trigger and safety mechanisms on the legacy German X-5 guns are not interchangeable with this American generation. In other words, the American X-5s are in no way user serviceable - yet. And I honestly don’t trust Sig to bring spares to the market before they come up with a Gen2 or safety recall that fucks over the beta testers.

2) I can’t blame you for fiddle farting with MIM parts on a competition gun. Competitors are going to compete. Ain’t no way I’m doing that on my SAO Legions that I sometimes use for carry.

3) I’m pretty sure that the safety on the EDC X9 is barstock forged, not MIM. At least, the slide stop isn’t per Wilson when I had mine milled down to eliminate the shelf that was causing premature slide lock by my thumbs forward grip. In other words, I’ll tinker more with forged parts than MIM.

Regardless, I really want to like this gun. I’m went to my LGS with money in my wallet to buy the one that I fondled / trigger molested a couple of days ago. Alas, it was gone and some other sucker saved me from paying $100 over MSRP. However, don’t think that hasn’t kept me off gunbroker wasting countless hours trying to save $200 in CC and shipping fees…;)

[JCN]

A few thoughts and questions:

1) Where am I going to find a replacement safety for this American made X-5 if my dremel skills were to fail me? My understanding is that the trigger and safety mechanisms on the legacy German X-5 guns are not interchangeable with this American generation. In other words, the American X-5s are in no way user serviceable - yet. And I honestly don’t trust Sig to bring spares to the market before they come up with a Gen2 or safety recall that fucks over the beta testers.

2) I can’t blame you for fiddle farting with MIM parts on a competition gun. Competitors are going to compete. Ain’t no way I’m doing that on my SAO Legions that I sometimes use for carry.

3) I’m pretty sure that the safety on the EDC X9 is barstock forged, not MIM. At least, the slide stop isn’t per Wilson when I had mine milled down to eliminate the shelf that was causing premature slide lock by my thumbs forward grip. In other words, I’ll tinker more with forged parts than MIM.

Regardless, I really want to like this gun. I’m went to my LGS with money in my wallet to buy the one that I fondled / trigger molested a couple of days ago. Alas, it was gone and some other sucker saved me from paying $100 over MSRP. However, don’t think that hasn’t kept me off gunbroker wasting countless hours trying to save $200 in CC and shipping fees…;)

1) You could wait until parts were available before cutting on it. For the Laugo Alien, spare parts aren’t readily available. So I bought a spare gun because otherwise the gun is useless if I can’t compete with it. And later on when spare parts are available I’ll refresh things.

2) Even on a carry gun, I wouldn’t hesitate to grind on a frame or levers that were causing hot spots. I feel comfortable grinding on the lever on the side I don’t use, it won’t meaningfully affect anything. I do grind on most of my CZ safeties to blend them in.

3) You are right on that. I think the CZ safeties are MIM though. Thousands of rounds and no issues. Thousands and thousands of activations and deactivations. I wouldn’t grind on the interface parts but the wings? No hesitation. Hasn’t been an issue for me with heavy use.

[Sensei]

Hopefully this is just an initial offering that signals Sig’s commitment to bring back a more complete P226 X-five line such as the tactical/S variants. I just wish that Sig would commit to the German level of quality control even if it meant fewer units at a higher price.

For example, I’d love to have one of the German made P226 X-5 tac/S models that occasionally pop up on gunbroker, but spares such as the internal extractor are going to become unobtanium. An American made version that was put together with the same attention to detail as a Wilson or Dan Wesson would be exactly what I want.

[Sensei]

Admittedly, I’m new to competition. However, it seems that my earlier assessments about USPSA divisions may be inaccurate? Based on my review of the USPSA rules, this gun would also qualify for Limited Division, correct?

It fails Production Division because it’s SAO.

I assume that it passes magazine height limitations.

[backtrail540]

Mason Lane has a video on his youtube shooting one. Maybe he'll decide to run it in limited.


https://youtu.be/VWw8kEWJWoo

[Noah]

Admittedly, I’m new to competition. However, it seems that my earlier assessments about USPSA divisions may be inaccurate? Based on my review of the USPSA rules, this gun would also qualify for Limited Division, correct?

It fails Production Division because it’s SAO.

I assume that it passes magazine height limitations.


Yes, but unlike production and carry optics which are minor scoring only, limited allows major scoring with .40 and above, putting 9mm guns in limited at a perceived disadvantage unless you shoot only Alphas like the current national champ.

[billt460]

I think they're going after the same market that Beretta is with their steel framed 92X Performance. And that is a large, full steel frame competition / target pistol. that is chasing good overall ergonomics, and at the same time moving up the ladder several notches in overall quality. While that market is somewhat limited, I believe it will sell to a portion of the American shooting public who likes and wants a larger, heavier, steel frame, hammer fired target pistol for fun at the range. All of these guns have a nice appeal to them, from all of the striker fired, plastic that has been flooding the market for over 2 decades now.

[Noah]

I think they're going after the same market that Beretta is with their steel framed 92X Performance. And that is a large, full steel frame competition / target pistol. that is chasing good overall ergonomics, and at the same time moving up the ladder several notches in overall quality. While that market is somewhat limited, I believe it will sell to a portion of the American shooting public who likes and wants a larger, heavier, steel frame, hammer fired target pistol for fun at the range. All of these guns have a nice appeal to them, from all of the striker fired, plastic that has been flooding the market for over 2 decades now.

The 92X Performance still has a DA trigger and is therefore legal in a lot more USPSA and IPSC divisions than a SAO 226

[Sensei]

The 92X Performance still has a DA trigger and is therefore legal in a lot more USPSA and IPSC divisions than a SAO 226

This is where my mind is headed. Now, Beretta has a 92X Performance Defensive which I believe is even light enough to make the IDPA box and weight limits.

So, this suggests that we may see a series of P226 X-Five guns including a DA/SA Allround that qualifies for USPSA Production and, God forbid, a Tactical that conforms in an IDPA box and weight limits.

[AJD21]

On the sigforum a user who appeared to have inside knowledge said that a new DA/SA version of the X-Five is in development/production. In terms of sales the SAO German X-Five guns were far far far more popular than the "Allround" DA/SA German X-Five. Part of this could be that the DA/SA German X-Five had no upgrades to the DA trigger...its literally a stock P226 trigger. A hard sell on a $2000+ pistol when you can get CZ's and Beretta's tuned up for half the cash.
A SAO version was a likely first step from them if they were looking at what X-Five fans were buying with German guns.

[Sensei]

On the sigforum a user who appeared to have inside knowledge said that a new DA/SA version of the X-Five is in development/production. In terms of sales the SAO German X-Five guns were far far far more popular than the "Allround" DA/SA German X-Five. Part of this could be that the DA/SA German X-Five had no upgrades to the DA trigger...its literally a stock P226 trigger. A hard sell on a $2000+ pistol when you can get CZ's and Beretta's tuned up for half the cash.
A SAO version was a likely first step from them if they were looking at what X-Five fans were buying with German guns.

Aside from the reset, I get the sense that the classic Sig P-series DA/SA guns are fairly unforgiving for trigger improvements compare to other platforms. For example, a LTT trigger job on a Beretta 92 can take a 11lb trigger pull down to 6 lbs and in addition to cutting the reset while still igniting the harder primers. It also dramatically smooths out the DA pull.

On the other hand, a 17 lb mainspring in a P-series gun will get you down to 8-9 lbs but ignitions may become unreliable I’ve found. I also sent a P229 to a prominent Sig pistolsmith known for Sig work back in the early 2000s. I got the gun back with nearly identical trigger pull characteristics.

[Sensei]

Shoots great. Best SAO trigger that I’ve ever felt.

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[billt460]

That's a beautiful pistol. May I ask the weight?

[Sensei]

That's a beautiful pistol. May I ask the weight?

45 Oz

[HeavyDuty]

These really appeal to me, but I don’t think I can choke down the price tag.

[AJD21]

Aside from the reset, I get the sense that the classic Sig P-series DA/SA guns are fairly unforgiving for trigger improvements compare to other platforms. For example, a LTT trigger job on a Beretta 92 can take a 11lb trigger pull down to 6 lbs and in addition to cutting the reset while still igniting the harder primers. It also dramatically smooths out the DA pull.

On the other hand, a 17 lb mainspring in a P-series gun will get you down to 8-9 lbs but ignitions may become unreliable I’ve found. I also sent a P229 to a prominent Sig pistolsmith known for Sig work back in the early 2000s. I got the gun back with nearly identical trigger pull characteristics.

You'd be correct in your assumption on the DA/SA Sig triggers. Part of this is the trigger stroke is shorter than the CZ and Beretta, shorter hammer arc=need heavier springs to ignite.

If I had to bet money I think Sig will introduce some version or variation of the Gray Guns ELS system idea. Make changes to the trigger bar and trigger to get a lighter pull but it will have a longer hammer arc. Maybe they will even ditch the firing pin block but I doubt it.

[El Cid]

What’s the word on holsters? Go with 226R or 320 Kydex? Can’t imagine many benders have these on hand.

[JCN]

Shoots great. Best SAO trigger that I’ve ever felt.


Gorgeous, congrats!

Can you spell out what other SAO you have tried?

Have you ever shot a TSO?

[Sensei]

Gorgeous, congrats!

Can you spell out what other SAO you have tried?

Have you ever shot a TSO?

I currently own: 2 Wilson Combat CQB Elites, 2 Wilson EDC X9s, 2 Springfield Pros, 1 Colt CCU that was customized by Wilson (including trigger); 1 Ed Brown Kobra Carry, 1 Les Baer Thunder Ranch, 1 Springfield Trophy Match that was customized by NH (including trigger), 3 Sig Legions SAOs, 1 DW Specialist, 1 Beretta 92X Performance Defensive

I have previously owned multiple late 90s/early 2000 era production grade Kimbers and Springfields.

I’ve never shot or owned a TSO.

[JCN]

I currently own: 2 Wilson Combat CQB Elites, 2 Wilson EDC X9s, 2 Springfield Pros, 1 Colt CCU that was customized by Wilson (including trigger); 1 Ed Brown Kobra Carry, 1 Les Baer Thunder Ranch, 1 Springfield Trophy Match that was customized by NH (including trigger), 3 Sig Legions SAOs, 1 DW Specialist, 1 Beretta 92X Performance Defensive

I have previously owned multiple late 90s/early 2000 era production grade Kimbers and Springfields.

I’ve never shot or owned a TSO.

Thanks for the context!

I have EDC X9, Ruger Koenig, P229 Legion SAO, Laugo Alien and a bunch of CZs and revolvers.

In terms of triggers of SA, the CZ TSO is on par with the single action of a revolver.

On a 1-10 scale
10: SA of a revolver. Direct, short, light
9: CZ TSO. Direct, not quite as short, but still about a 1# trigger.
8: Laugo Alien. Tactile, a little take up and pre-travel. Medium-light weight.
7: CZ S2 shot in SA. A little pre-travel, but reasonably crisp and light
7: Ruger Koenig 1911: Similar to the X9 but a little crisper and a little more direct.
6: EDC X9. Pre travel and medium weight, crisp break.
5: Legion P229 SAO. Disappointingly “sproingy” with weighted pre-travel and just a whiff vague on break.
2: Prodigy and other mass produced 1911/2011s,

I’m not saying that I want a 9-10 for a carry gun. It’s too light for me.

But for a gaming gun (for me) which is what I would use this for, I’m looking for a gaming-level trigger.

I’m just trying to figure out if this gun would add anything to my gaming over a TSO.

[mcgivro]

By TSO do you guys mean Tactical Sport Orange?

It’s like the TS Green doesn’t exist.

[bac1023]

I like mine quite a bit and it shoots great.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/923/fAwrL7.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pnfAwrL7j)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/923/CGZXxU.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pnCGZXxUj)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/923/H9rzla.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pnH9rzlaj)




Here it is in the center with my German X Series guns

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/922/Skbycg.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pmSkbycgj)

[JCN]

Sensei are you still loving yours? I’m debating picking one up…

[Sensei]

Yes. Admittedly, I’ve not been shooting it as much over the past couple of months since I’ve spent most of my spare time vetting 3 Dan Wessons.

[mcgivro]

I finally found a Classic model with the cocobolo grips a few weeks ago. Absolutely fantastic gun in all regards. Machining, action, accuracy, trigger, everything. Right there with my TS2 Racing Green in terms of a SAO 9mm range toy.

[Super77]

I like mine quite a bit and it shoots great.



Bac I was scrolling up from the bottom of the page and could immediately tell this was one of your posts. Thanks for sharing. How does the new X-Five compare to the original ones?

[Sensei]

As I contemplate another P226 X5, what OWB kydex holster is everyone using? I see options from Comp-Tac and a company called ANR Design. Perhaps JM Custom can cut one?

[1911Nut]

Anyone know anything about this? New P226 X Five with an optics cut and P320 style slide profile.

https://youtube.com/shorts/U9IxrDkP54Y?feature=share

I've got one. I have mounted a Leupold DeltaPoint Pro with the Deltapoint attached BUIS and dry fired it. Will probably shoot it in a local USPSA match in the very near future if I get it cleaned, lubed, and test-fired in time.

It has an excellent trigger and is a heavy beast. (46.4 oz. with an empty magazine inserted). Workmanship quality appears to be excellent. I'm a long-time 1911 shooter and shoot with my strong hand riding the thumb safety. The thumb safety on this pistol is in a significantly higher position than a 1911. Just dry-firing it, I wouldn't call it uncomfortable, but descriptive adjectives such as "different" and "awkward" come to mind.

I have ordered an Armory Craft Takedown Lever ("gas pedal") for it, but can't see anything else that I would want to do to the pistol at this early stage of ownership.

We'll see how it goes.

[Archer1440]

As I contemplate another P226 X5, what OWB kydex holster is everyone using? I see options from Comp-Tac and a company called ANR Design. Perhaps JM Custom can cut one?

I can highly recommend LCH, Lytton Custom Holsters. He is local to me. Justin Lytton is a police officer who happens to be the most detail oriented holster craftsman I have personally known since the days when Lou Alessi made all my gear. He takes the time to discuss your specific needs and offers advice to arrive at your optimal solution. Relatively fast, not cheap, but the results are outstanding.

Mine is a double Kydex competition rig set up for Limited Optics with a customized hanger, but he can do whatever you need in Kydex.

[1911Nut]

As I contemplate another P226 X5, what OWB kydex holster is everyone using? I see options from Comp-Tac and a company called ANR Design. Perhaps JM Custom can cut one?

Black Scorpion makes a holster for this pistol.

[GJM]

226 X5 Legion followed my wife home tonight.

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Sitting right next to it was this.

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[fatdog]

Very interested to hear how it works for Charlie, I assume it is destined for limited optics?

[Sensei]

226 X5 Legion followed my wife home tonight.

Hey GJM,

Your first pic is not a Legion. What you posted in the top pic is a P226 X-Five STAS. This X-Five Legion followed me home tonight:

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After following me home, I caught it in my safe humping this X-Five STAS:
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Lord only knows what high-end Sig will result from those 2 getting busy ;). Perhaps it will be an American version of the P226 X-Five Allaround…

[GJM]

Very interested to hear how it works for Charlie, I assume it is destined for limited optics?

That is the plan.


Hey GJM,

Your first pic is not a Legion. What you posted in the top pic is a P226 X-Five STAS. This X-Five Legion followed me home tonight:

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After following me home, I caught it in my safe humping this X-Five STAS:
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Lord only knows what high-end Sig will result from those 2 getting busy ;). Perhaps it will be an American version of the P226 X-Five Allaround…

You can see I was more focused on the CZ! Exactly what did she get?

[1911Nut]

Quote Originally Posted by fatdog View Post
Very interested to hear how it works for Charlie, I assume it is destined for limited optics?
That is the plan.

GJM: Will be very interested in hearing Charlie's thoughts on the 226. What optic does she plan to use in LO division?

[bac1023]

Just picked this one up last week.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq70/924/GALd2W.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/poGALd2Wj)
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq70/924/5xVVk8.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/po5xVVk8j)




Fits in well with my other X Series pistols (most are German)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq70/924/oobzyI.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pooobzyIj)

[Bernomad]

Hey GJM,

Your first pic is not a Legion. What you posted in the top pic is a P226 X-Five STAS. This X-Five Legion followed me home tonight:

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After following me home, I caught it in my safe humping this X-Five STAS:
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Lord only knows what high-end Sig will result from those 2 getting busy ;). Perhaps it will be an American version of the P226 X-Five Allaround…

How are you liking that Legion? I’m really enjoying mine since I’ve adjusted the trigger pre travel. It was excessive when I got it and I went to adjust it only to see that the screw was missing. I had to send it back to Sig for them to put the screw in it. They would NOT send me one. I suppose it would’ve been a liability for them to allow me to install it? I don’t know. It was a fast turn around and I love the pistol.

[Sensei]

How are you liking that Legion? I’m really enjoying mine since I’ve adjusted the trigger pre travel. It was excessive when I got it and I went to adjust it only to see that the screw was missing. I had to send it back to Sig for them to put the screw in it. They would NOT send me one. I suppose it would’ve been a liability for them to allow me to install it? I don’t know. It was a fast turn around and I love the pistol.

Today was my first day at the range. Before heading out, I field stripped, cleaned, and lubed. However, there must have been some debris in the chamber or extractor because it would not chamber a round. So, I re-stripped, and cleaned the chamber and extractor. The gun then cycled 180 rounds (124 grain S&B x 130 + 147 grain HST x 50 without a hiccup. I too plan to reduce the pre-travel just a hair. Otherwise, it is very, very nice.

[GJM]

Sensei was correct, this is what have, not the Legion.

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We don't have an optic mounted, as the plate is enroute, but we did get to shoot it some late this afternoon. My wife was delighted. Trigger was excellent and the gun cycled great. We were shooting PMC 124. There is some pre travel, but right now, we plan to leave it.

[Sensei]

The P226 X-Five STAS has one of the best single action triggers that I ever felt. I say that having A LOT of custom 1911 (but no CZs).

What you have is an all-steel, single action, American-made X-Five. This is technically a production gun with some obvious parts differences compared to the German Custom Shop guns. However, the tolerances approach what I have with my hand fitted German X-Five, and I can’t say that one gun is more accurate than the other since I’m the limiting factor.

The Legion has a steel slide with expansion chamber, alloy frame, tungsten grips (to make up for the lighter frame), straight trigger, and a couple of other parts differences. However, it too is production but still fit to very tight tolerances.

I suspect that we’ve reached a point of automation where companies like Sig can manufacture pistols to tolerances that are hard for a human to match. However, I’m not an engineer and some might take exception to that last statement.

Finally, I can equivocally say that you’ve won at life by marrying a woman who drops $2K on a gun that you can’t even identify. Most of us would land a transvestite if we tried that. Well played sir, well played.

[1911Nut]

The P226 X-Five STAS has one of the best single action triggers that I ever felt. I say that having A LOT of custom 1911 (but no CZs).

What you have is an all-steel, single action, American-made X-Five. This is technically a production gun with some obvious parts differences compared to the German Custom Shop guns. However, the tolerances approach what I have with my hand fitted German X-Five, and I can’t say that one gun is more accurate than the other since I’m the limiting factor.

The Legion has a steel slide with expansion chamber, alloy frame, tungsten grips (to make up for the lighter frame), straight trigger, and a couple of other parts differences. However, it too is production but still fit to very tight tolerances.

I suspect that we’ve reached a point of automation where companies like Sig can manufacture pistols to tolerances that are hard for a human to match. However, I’m not an engineer and some might take exception to that last statement.

Finally, I can equivocally say that you’ve won at life by marrying a woman who drops $2K on a gun that you can’t even identify. Most of us would land a transvestite if we tried that. Well played sir, well played.

I sympathize with GJM . . . . I miss the old days when a typical gun buyer could be pretty certain of which model by what manufacturer he was looking at. (SW Model 19, Colt Government Model, etc.). Today, there are so many variations and versions of handguns on the market that one needs a computer program to identify what he is looking at. And the designations that they use! GJM's supplied example in his post is a good example. I used to place a label on the back of my Kydex holsters to specifically identify which gun it fit. Today, the label would be about the length of a CVS Pharmacy receipt if I still used that methodology!

[JSGlock34]

Still P226 X-Five curious. The NRA Instructor price is appealing.

[backtrail540]

https://www.sigsauer.com/sig-reserve-collection-p226-xfive.html

New variant. Very appealing if it didn't have the built in comp. There may be an x5 in the cards for me in the next month or so and if it works out, it will be a tossup on a stainless variant or this. My oh my are they sexy looking pistols!

[Sensei]

It is interesting how the opinions of the expansion chamber have changed over the past year or two. I’d be curious to hear updated opinions from GJM and HCM who have collectively witnessed far more rounds fired through expansion chambers than me. When it was first introduced on the P365 X-MCRO, a number of us felt like it was negatively impacting accuracy with very little improvement in recoil characteristics. However, this is countered by a lot more shooting experience including reviews from high-volume shooters who are putting up sub-2” 5-shot groups at 25 yards with expansion chamber equipped Sigs. Here is what I’ve noticed after about 1000 rounds through 2 of my Sigs that have the chamber.

I can’t get my X-MACO to run anything close to my G26 in terms of accuracy shooting any of my training (typically 147 grain AE or 124 grain S&B) or carry ammo (almost exclusively 147 HST). Switching out the X-MACRO slide for the non-chamber XL slide that has the same overall length with a longer barrel significantly improves recoil and accuracy. In other words, the X-MACO slide and barrel in my hand is nothing but compromise in every way that counts when compared to the XL slide and barrel that has the same outer dimensions.

Things get a little more nuanced with my expansion chamber equipped P226 X-Five Legion. If I shoot it next to an all steel P226 X-Five STAS, the Legion gets edged out just a bit when shooting most ammo. That STAS is a freaking laser beam of accuracy and is just a bit heavier, more rigid, and sporting a trigger that is about 5 oz lighter than the Legion which is itself very accurate. When I shoot the Legion with 147 grain HST, something interesting happens. My groups sometimes open up a hair at 25-yards typically because of a “flyer” that is 1-2” from the other 4 rounds which are clustered around a 1.5” circle when shot from sandbags. This “flyer” is not happening with every group, is probably not enough of a variance at 25 yards to be noticed under most conditions, and is only occurring with a heavier load.

All this has me thinking that the expansion chamber has some negative impact on accuracy depending on several factors. My hypothesis is that slower, heavier bullets fired from shorter barrels will be the most impacted. This has to do with the bullet’s “dwell time” in the chamber with longer being worse for accuracy.

[GJM]

It is interesting how the opinions of the expansion chamber have changed of the past year or two. When it was first introduced on the XMCRO, a number of us felt like it was negatively impacting accuracy with very little improvement in recoil characteristics. However, this is countered by a lot more shooting experience including reviews from high-volume shooters who are putting up sub-2” 5-shot groups at 25 yards with expansion chamber equipped Sigs. Here is what I’ve noticed after about 1000 rounds through 2 Sigs that have the chamber.

I can’t get my X-MACO to run anything close to my G26 in terms of accuracy shooting any of my training (typically 147 grain AE or 124 grain S&B) or carry ammo (almost exclusively 147 HST). Switching out that X-MACRO slide for the non-chamber XL slide that has the same overall length with a longer barrel significantly improves recoil and accuracy. In other words, the X-MACO in my hand is nothing but compromise compromise in every way that counts when compared to the XL that has the same outer dimensions.

Things get a little more nuanced with my expansion chamber equipped P226 X-Five Legion. If I shoot it next to an all steel P226 X-Five STAS, the Legion gets edged out just a bit when shooting most ammo. That STAS is a freaking laser beam of accuracy and is just a bit heavier, more rigid, and sporting a trigger that is about 5 oz lighter. When I shoot the Legion with 147 grain HST, something interesting happens. My groups open up a hair at 25-yards typically because of a “flyer” is 1-2” from the other 4 rounds that are cluster around a 1.5” circle when shot from sandbags. This “flyer” at 25 yards is probably not enough of a variance to be noticed under most conditions, and is only occurring with a heavier load.

All this has me thinking that the expansion chamber has some negative impact on accuracy depending on several factors. My hypothesis is that slower, heavier bullets fired from shorter barrels will be the most impacted. This has to do with the bullet’s “dwell time” in the chamber with longer being worse for accuracy.

My experience leads me to have a different theory. Because multiple macro pistols don’t shoot well at 25 yards and my 2 10mm 320 pistol shoot great at 25 yards, I think the expansion chamber is a problem in the 365 but not in the 320.

[HCM]

It is interesting how the opinions of the expansion chamber have changed over the past year or two. I’d be curious to hear updated opinions from GJM and HCM who have collectively witnessed far more rounds fired through expansion chambers than me. When it was first introduced on the P365 X-MCRO, a number of us felt like it was negatively impacting accuracy with very little improvement in recoil characteristics. However, this is countered by a lot more shooting experience including reviews from high-volume shooters who are putting up sub-2” 5-shot groups at 25 yards with expansion chamber equipped Sigs. Here is what I’ve noticed after about 1000 rounds through 2 of my Sigs that have the chamber.

I can’t get my X-MACO to run anything close to my G26 in terms of accuracy shooting any of my training (typically 147 grain AE or 124 grain S&B) or carry ammo (almost exclusively 147 HST). Switching out the X-MACRO slide for the non-chamber XL slide that has the same overall length with a longer barrel significantly improves recoil and accuracy. In other words, the X-MACO slide and barrel in my hand is nothing but compromise in every way that counts when compared to the XL slide and barrel that has the same outer dimensions.

Things get a little more nuanced with my expansion chamber equipped P226 X-Five Legion. If I shoot it next to an all steel P226 X-Five STAS, the Legion gets edged out just a bit when shooting most ammo. That STAS is a freaking laser beam of accuracy and is just a bit heavier, more rigid, and sporting a trigger that is about 5 oz lighter than the Legion which is itself very accurate. When I shoot the Legion with 147 grain HST, something interesting happens. My groups sometimes open up a hair at 25-yards typically because of a “flyer” that is 1-2” from the other 4 rounds which are clustered around a 1.5” circle when shot from sandbags. This “flyer” is not happening with every group, is probably not enough of a variance at 25 yards to be noticed under most conditions, and is only occurring with a heavier load.

All this has me thinking that the expansion chamber has some negative impact on accuracy depending on several factors. My hypothesis is that slower, heavier bullets fired from shorter barrels will be the most impacted. This has to do with the bullet’s “dwell time” in the chamber with longer being worse for accuracy.

I saw an experience enough of an issue with 365 series. Guns only single example of 320 that I lost any further desire to mess with SIGs with the expansion chamber comp. The 320 in question was a 9 mm not a 10 mm like the ones GJM has had better results with.

I think the fact that SIG switched the standard MACRO model to non-ported and made the ported model a separate specialty product speaks for itself.

[TOTS]

I have one with, one without. Observations:

My accuracy is about the same with both. The ported slide does marginally decrease recoil when compared to the 3.7 barrel. When compared to a 3inch P938, the Macro Comp outperforms it in every way. I just realized how to get access to a 3.1 365 and will compare both regular and ported 3.1 slides on the same Macro frame.

[G19Fan]

I have seen worse accuracy with p365 expansion chambers vs p365 and p365xl slides