329PD...Talk to me.

[entropy]

Just back from another 5.5mi hike with the new pooch. Two tracks, forest roads, gravel roads, up, down. Dog takes 10min in the shade, drinks some pond water, is GTG. Me? 30 years of being cramped into a tiny seat for 10 hours a day taking its toll. I ditched the USP 45 and carrying the GP100. Still pinching nerves. Idea is intriguing, but zero experience with them. Read the usual stuff... “You can’t shoot them!” Titanium cylinders will not last!”.

I just need some honest feedback on them. I’m hoping another 3mo of this and I’ll be back to my pre-1990’s self but in case not, I need options. Lol.

[GJM]

I have a bunch of them, and for a while they were the handgun of choice for AK bush pilots and adventures. At 28 ounces or so, they carry nicely. However they hurt so much to shoot, you hardly see them in the field anymore, and folks are carrying a semi auto.

[Oldherkpilot]

Just back from another 5.5mi hike with the new pooch. Two tracks, forest roads, gravel roads, up, down. Dog takes 10min in the shade, drinks some pond water, is GTG. Me? 30 years of being cramped into a tiny seat for 10 hours a day taking its toll. I ditched the USP 45 and carrying the GP100. Still pinching nerves. Idea is intriguing, but zero experience with them. Read the usual stuff... “You can’t shoot them!” Titanium cylinders will not last!”.

I just need some honest feedback on them. I’m hoping another 3mo of this and I’ll be back to my pre-1990’s self but in case not, I need options. Lol.

I like to think of them as a hand grenade that you don't throw.

[GJM]

If you do succumb and get one, the first thing to do is throw the wood grips in the trash, or you risk significant hand damage. Never ever get the Crimson Trace grips. I got some, thought they felt a little hard, and fortunately tried .44 special ammo first. Thank god I never shot magnum ammo with them.

I carried the special Garrett load for them. Once I shot a wounded mule deer buck up the butt at 42 yards with that load, and dropped him DRT. When I got to the point I would shoot three rounds of fam fire with my right hand and transfer the revolver to my left hand to finish the cylinder, I knew I needed to do something different.

[RevolverRob]

Just back from another 5.5mi hike with the new pooch. Two tracks, forest roads, gravel roads, up, down. Dog takes 10min in the shade, drinks some pond water, is GTG. Me? 30 years of being cramped into a tiny seat for 10 hours a day taking its toll. I ditched the USP 45 and carrying the GP100. Still pinching nerves. Idea is intriguing, but zero experience with them. Read the usual stuff... “You can’t shoot them!” Titanium cylinders will not last!”.

I just need some honest feedback on them. I’m hoping another 3mo of this and I’ll be back to my pre-1990’s self but in case not, I need options. Lol.

You don't really lose any weight between a 329PD and a USP45 - they're both ~28oz unloaded. But one is a damn sight more difficult to shoot.

Any compelling reason to not carry a 9mm? I have only been gone from the Midwest for about 16-months now...has it changed that much? Used to be my only concern was gang bangers or maybe a grumpy corn-fed hog.

[Salamander]

I've put a lot of thought into pistol/revolver weight in the recent past. The elevations aren't all that great close to here, it's really all under 5,000 feet unless I drive several hours. But these are young and steep mountains. It's not easy to find a trail near here that isn't a lot of steep up and down. In addition to a light pack and water, I tend to carry a camera. That all adds up. End result is that I try not to carry heavy hunks of steel on longer hikes. A couple of days in, another pound can matter.

But I've never seriously considered a 329. I need these hands. With any big-bore load hot enough to have much edge on 9mm/357/40/45, a 329 is going to be painful.

In rainy season I tend to still carry a USP45. It's not very heavy (31.3 oz empty, 34.8 oz with an empty magazine according to HK), it's the size that is a limitation in warmer weather. I've also tried a GP100 MC, which is a little heavier (38 oz empty). Those were still OK even in places like the 180,000 acre Kalmiopsis Wilderness, although I was feeling the GP100 by day 2. According to USFS: "This is a harsh, rugged area with a beautifully unique character that resonates with anyone who ventures into its interior. Elevations range from 500 to 5,098 feet. The area is characterized by deep, rough canyons, sharp rock ridges, and clear rushing mountain streams and rivers."

These days, I carry a 3-inch 357 (currently a 28-oz Colt King Cobra, but a K-frame would work equally well) in rugged places like that, or the USP in cooler weather. Either is plenty here, well outside of brown bear range.

Being a native of the Midwest and having been back there for work as recently as last month, it's the summer humidity that's brutal in the flatlands. That can wear someone out no matter what they're carrying.

[Lost River]

I had one for years.

Outstanding lightweight .44 Special/.44 Russian platform for medium and light loads. Horrible platform for true .44 Magnum loads. Finally sold mine off. I figured I was far more proficient in getting heavy hits on target with my +P 250 grain .45 ACP load. It runs 920 FPS out of a 1911, and that is old school black powder .45 Colt territory. Not too many critters are going to take multiple hits per second of that and shrug them off.

So the short version is, the Model 329 is sold, and I run a Glock 21, or 1911 or HK USP.

These fat boys are more than sufficient for anything in the lower .48 as far as I am concerned.

https://i.imgur.com/AqWTQZh.jpg?1



https://i.imgur.com/ImuT8YR.jpg?1

[Michpatriot]

Shoot and carry my 329 a whole bunch, first off.. like told above, Ditch the stock grips that come with the 329..install a set of Hogue S&W 500 grips. Pick the load you want to defend with, sight in for that load, you won't find that this revolver likes to sight in for two or three loads. Garrett cartridge company makes a great load for this revolver called a Hammerhead in 44 mag @250gr it gets about 1100fps its a hardcast semi wadcutter with nice big flat meplat. Now that we got that out of the way, yep this bugger takes no prisoners when it comes to recoil.. But it is a 25oz 44 mag, I don't have any problem shooting 4-5 cylinders during practice, yes you know you have been shooting but the beating is cumulative and I stop when accuracy starts being affected. First couple cylinders are what I go to practice for. This revolver has just one purpose, be light enough to be carried where it may be needed for big problems..it serves this purpose perfectly for me and many others who care to practice in short frequent sessions until proficiency is up to your own liking. mine would be replaced right away if I ever had a problem. The titanium will get dirty, I don't get it any cleaner than nylon brushes and Hoppes elite will allow..that means it will have black marks on the cylinder, if you are liking for it to look new after the first cylinder, buy something else, you won't get along with this revolver. they live long looking nasty. Clean it like new, you WILL wreck the cylinder quickly. These also have a maintenance schedule, something like 12-1500 rounds and it will need a blast shield replacement, sooner if you shoot 44 mag exclusively. S&W is great with service, if you shoot it like some of us( a LOT) it will have a maintenance trip to the mothership.. Look up PAUL105 he has several 329PDs and has had them for a looong time and has lots of info on them and lots of rounds downrange. Oh yes almost forgot...plug the lock, it is a problem on this and other PDs..don't want to go locked on its own.

I say buy it!!!!

[entropy]

Appreciate the kind replies. Maybe the true answer lies in converting my ABBA workout tapes from Betamax.

Big bore woods guns have always drawn out the romance in me. I still have bucket list plans of heading out West and getting a better view of the things I’ve been privileged to see. The pooch has reminded me that the older you get, the harder it becomes to burn calories and keep the ibuprofen intake to a minimum however. After I’m loaded down with the various dog gear, sticking yet something else on my hips creating another hot spot doesn’t have the same “suck it up buttercup” romance it once had. I broke down and ordered a strap vest that had some great reviews and I’m hoping that transfers and spreads out a lot of the weight I’m dragging around. Both the USP and Ruger could prolly benefit from a holster that maybe rides a bit higher and shifts the CG to something a bit more tolerable for me. I’m going to drop Wes at Privateer Leather a line. Website says he’s on vacation thru the week. That might be a more cost effective solution than buying a lightweight magnum that’s going to bring on more ibuprofen. I’ve worked with him before on some projects and he’s always come thru.

[entropy]

Well I WAS off the ledge until the above post nudged me back on...

That’s what I get for posting GB links for Model 10’s at 3am. Lol

[wcj]

Well I WAS off the ledge until the above post nudged me back on...

That’s what I get for posting GB links for Model 10’s at 3am. Lol

I have one, and a USP and Sig 220 10mm. I shoot the autos more, carry the 329 more. Worked up a 270 grain hardcast load at 1000 fps and soft grips and it's manageable. I have no interest in full 44 mag in it, don't shoot them in my 44 Mountain Gun either.

Generally carried in a Hill People kit bag. If my handload doesn't work please hand me a rifle. It is a gun for a unique purpose that needs to fed carefully, but it serves that function well.

[jtcarm]

I had one for years.

Outstanding lightweight .44 Special/.44 Russian platform for medium and light loads. Horrible platform for true .44 Magnum loads. Finally sold mine off. I figured I was far more proficient in getting heavy hits on target with my +P 250 grain .45 ACP load. It runs 920 FPS out of a 1911, and that is old school black powder .45 Colt territory. Not too many critters are going to take multiple hits per second of that and shrug them off.

So the short version is, the Model 329 is sold, and I run a Glock 21, or 1911 or HK USP.

These fat boys are more than sufficient for anything in the lower .48 as far as I am concerned.

https://i.imgur.com/AqWTQZh.jpg?1



https://i.imgur.com/ImuT8YR.jpg?1

What’s your load, if you don’t mind sharing?

[jtcarm]

Appreciate the kind replies. Maybe the true answer lies in converting my ABBA workout tapes from Betamax.



You could just rent “Mama Mia” on Prime.

[Duelist]

You don't really lose any weight between a 329PD and a USP45 - they're both ~28oz unloaded. But one is a damn sight more difficult to shoot.

Any compelling reason to not carry a 9mm? I have only been gone from the Midwest for about 16-months now...has it changed that much? Used to be my only concern was gang bangers or maybe a grumpy corn-fed hog.

A G26 or SP101 would seem like nice hiking options there.

[entropy]

Because I’m no longer interested, I scoured the webs and found this:

https://sites.google.com/site/hobbyhintstricksideas/home/sw-329pd-info

I need to hunt one down at a LGS however before this goes any further.

[MDFA]

Find someone who does not like you. Hand them a Baseball Bat. Hold out your hand... You'll be cured of the desire to shoot one....

[JHC]

If you do succumb and get one, the first thing to do is throw the wood grips in the trash, or you risk significant hand damage. Never ever get the Crimson Trace grips. I got some, thought they felt a little hard, and fortunately tried .44 special ammo first. Thank god I never shot magnum ammo with them.

I carried the special Garrett load for them. Once I shot a wounded mule deer buck up the butt at 42 yards with that load, and dropped him DRT. When I got to the point I would shoot three rounds of fam fire with my right hand and transfer the revolver to my left hand to finish the cylinder, I knew I needed to do something different.

I know the Garrett load you mean. Even at that modest velocity ~1000 fps (?) it's still a 300 grainer. What was it like with .44 special class loads?

[GJM]

I know the Garrett load you mean. Even at that modest velocity ~1000 fps (?) it's still a 300 grainer. What was it like with .44 special class loads?

I have one 329 set up for warm special loads -- took a shorter front sight to regulate. I also have a 10mm Scandium.

[JEC]

I always thought the 327PD was a much better answer to the lightweight field revolver question. Unfortunately, not many others did and Smith discontinued them years ago. They do still make the 327 TRR8 with a 5" barrel but it is a little heavier with the steel cylinder. 8 shots of 180gr. WFN 357 Magnums at 1100 fps will penetrate like crazy and be much easier on the hands than the 329PD. The ability to practice with cheap, low recoil 38's is an even bigger plus. Even 158gr. hardcast SWC's at 1000fps penetrate way more than their paper ballistics imply.

https://www.smith-wesson.com/product/model-327-trr8

https://www.smith-wesson.com/firearms/archive-model-327pd-4

[OlongJohnson]

I always thought the 327PD was a much better answer to the lightweight field revolver question. Unfortunately, not many others did and Smith discontinued them years ago. They do still make the 327 TRR8 with a 5" barrel but it is a little heavier with the steel cylinder. 8 shots of 180gr. WFN 357 Magnums at 1100 fps will penetrate like crazy and be much easier on the hands than the 329PD. The ability to practice with cheap, low recoil 38's is an even bigger plus. Even 158gr. hardcast SWC's at 1000fps penetrate way more than their paper ballistics imply.

https://www.smith-wesson.com/product/model-327-trr8

https://www.smith-wesson.com/firearms/archive-model-327pd-4

This was my reasoning, and the 327PD was my grail gun. Then I found one and bought it. When I got it home and was able to get more detailed in the inspection, it ended up being the last straw that turned me away from S&W. I still think it would be nice if they were in regular production with steel cylinders so you didn't have to worry about flame cutting the Ti or key parts like the barrel being NLA.

But in any case, I'd do what GJM or Lost River recommend. They seem to be the most experienced at that kind of activity and environment around here.

[GJM]

I have a 327 five inch, Scandium 10mm four inch, Scandium 41 magnum four inch plus a number of 329's. I really haven't had trouble with them.

[03RN]

I've always wanted to try the 329 but would prefer a mountain gun.

Heavy hard cast bullets going warm in my normal guns.
255gr swc @950fps or 170gr swc @ 1200fps are my jam.
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[titsonritz]

Shoot and carry my 329 a whole bunch, first off.. like told above, Ditch the stock grips that come with the 329..install a set of Hogue S&W 500 grips. Pick the load you want to defend with, sight in for that load, you won't find that this revolver likes to sight in for two or three loads. Garrett cartridge company makes a great load for this revolver called a Hammerhead in 44 mag @250gr it gets about 1100fps its a hardcast semi wadcutter with nice big flat meplat. Now that we got that out of the way, yep this bugger takes no prisoners when it comes to recoil.. But it is a 25oz 44 mag, I don't have any problem shooting 4-5 cylinders during practice, yes you know you have been shooting but the beating is cumulative and I stop when accuracy starts being affected. First couple cylinders are what I go to practice for. This revolver has just one purpose, be light enough to be carried where it may be needed for big problems..it serves this purpose perfectly for me and many others who care to practice in short frequent sessions until proficiency is up to your own liking. mine would be replaced right away if I ever had a problem. The titanium will get dirty, I don't get it any cleaner than nylon brushes and Hoppes elite will allow..that means it will have black marks on the cylinder, if you are liking for it to look new after the first cylinder, buy something else, you won't get along with this revolver. they live long looking nasty. Clean it like new, you WILL wreck the cylinder quickly. These also have a maintenance schedule, something like 12-1500 rounds and it will need a blast shield replacement, sooner if you shoot 44 mag exclusively. S&W is great with service, if you shoot it like some of us( a LOT) it will have a maintenance trip to the mothership.. Look up PAUL105 he has several 329PDs and has had them for a looong time and has lots of info on them and lots of rounds downrange. Oh yes almost forgot...plug the lock, it is a problem on this and other PDs..don't want to go locked on its own.

I say buy it!!!!


You have never experienced bullet pulling issues with that combination?

[GJM]

You have never experienced bullet pulling issues with that combination?

If you mean the Garrett load designed for four inch N frame revolvers, I have a shot a fair amount of it in 629, Mountain Gun and 329 revolvers with no issues. I have also used the Federal Cast Core load, but I believe that has been discontinued.

[Lost River]

I've always wanted to try the 329 but would prefer a mountain gun.

Heavy hard cast bullets going warm in my normal guns.
255gr swc @950fps or 170gr swc @ 1200fps are my jam.
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That .45 ACP load is a Stomper!

It is a touch faster than the load I am loading. I had a guy shoot some into some 20% gel and they went 36" before exiting out the back of the blocks.
My .357 Mag load uses a 170 SWC as well, and though I tested it with a 2.5" and 6" barrel, I did not have a 4" on hand, your veocity falls right in line where it should be.

It went 41"s when the same gentleman shot it into 20% gel. 10% gel is normally the standard used for handguns. He told me the conversion formula, as it is not 2x the penetration but I don't recall. Long story short, though, either of your loads will give you LOTS of penetration on whatever you decide to drop the hammer on.

[Michpatriot]

You have never experienced bullet pulling issues with that combination?

No issues at all with Garrett and I check frequently, my hand loads have a tiny bit of creep but will cycle more than two cylinders with no issues. Even Speer Gold Dots move a little but without issues. Never on any round have significant pull\creep enough to tie it up..I haven't ever tried Blazer aluminum, I think that one would have issues. So far this revolver has been a grin every outing..And I love the back pocket carry option, fits muzzle down hammer tucked in in my back Levis pocket when I'm setting up camp or just tootling around.. Yesterday I was digging at a rats den and it was in my back pocket loaded with 44special #4 shotshells...no holster necessary..the balance is superb. When hiking around I carry it in a chest holster made by some company outa Alaska.

[paul105]

For me, the Hogue 500 X Frame Tamers are a must. The 329 was my all day every day carry gun for the better part of a decade. On my digital kitchen scale, the unloaded gun with Hogue X Frame 500 grips weighs 25 oz - loaded with 6 260gr WFNGCs 29 oz. Recoil is very fast/snappy. If shot a lot with 240/260s at 1,100 fps equiv loads, it will require frequent (compared to steel counterpart) maitenence/repairs. If used predominantly with 44 special equiv loads, maint/repair shouldn't be a problem. Most won't shoot enough hi end loads to have a problem. As mentioned, the lock could be problematic with mags.
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Start low and work up to a load that works for the threat in your area - most shouldn't need full magnums.
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I transitioned to the S&W M69 in 2014 as my go to .44 mag. I still carried the M329 as backup while bow hunting elk here in montana until I couldn't physically hunt the high country two yrs ago.
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Very specialized gun - but one I found extremely useful.
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Paul

[Crazy Dane]

Just back from another 5.5mi hike with the new pooch. Two tracks, forest roads, gravel roads, up, down. Dog takes 10min in the shade, drinks some pond water, is GTG. Me? 30 years of being cramped into a tiny seat for 10 hours a day taking its toll. I ditched the USP 45 and carrying the GP100. Still pinching nerves. Idea is intriguing, but zero experience with them. Read the usual stuff... “You can’t shoot them!” Titanium cylinders will not last!”.

I just need some honest feedback on them. I’m hoping another 3mo of this and I’ll be back to my pre-1990’s self but in case not, I need options. Lol.


I think your best solution is to get the gun off of your hips. I hike sections of the Foothills Trail* a lot and carry a 3 inch revolver in a kit bag. I have tried on the hip but keep going back to the kit bag due to the weight causing pain. I was exploring shoulder holster options before this work thing took over my life. There is light at the end of that tunnel, so I will get back to that soon.

I don't think a lighter gun would solve my problems. I think it would only extend the time before the pain starts.

* The Foothills trail follows the southern edge of the Blue Ridge escarpment and has big elevation changes in really short distances.

[jtcarm]

I can’t imagine shooting a 329 with full-house magnums.

I one had a 325 PD. I kinda liked it but just didn’t want to invest the time & effort to train with.

I did experience bullet creep with factory hardball and thought I was going to have the strain screw welded in place.

.45 ACP would definitely be my limit on that platform.

[GJM]

I just dug out my 357PD, in .41 magnum. Bowen did the trigger and installed his front sight. The ammo is Federal Cast Core.

I buzz the finger grooves off the standard Hogue grips, which really upset Mr Bowen’s sense of aesthetics. I tried and discontinued the X grips. Even though they were more cushy, they would grab the web of my hand and tear the skin, drawing blood.

Very pre Ukraine, the Z meant the gun was function tested and zeroed. I put a Z on the right side for me, and a Z on the left side denotes zeroed for my wife.

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[GJM]

PS, here is the rig I carried it in. Safepacker on a Wilderness carrier, that holds two small, bike style water bottles. Galco carrier for extra ammo and a Surefire.

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[Hambo]

Find someone who does not like you. Hand them a Baseball Bat. Hold out your hand... You'll be cured of the desire to shoot one....

I've heard :rolleyes: that holding a Deftec 25 when it goes off feels like that.

[entropy]

You guys aren’t helping my bank account with all the pics.

Just sayin’.

I’ve had pinched nerve issues for a while. They come and go. Right now they’re here and don’t really seem to be ready to leave. Yesterday tried a snubby SP101 with an OWB speed scabbard. After about an hour, I began to feel even that. I have a HPG chest pouch, but wearing that with the bird vest just gives the woods more to grab onto. Not to mention mounting the shotgun.

Back to the ABBA work out vids I guess. I’m hoping to get out in the next month, cut some trees, work on the barn, and generally exercise my bones more. I’m hoping this will alleviate some of this. Maybe some WD40 in my bourbon.

Now that I dug into this...I’m still intrigued with it. Certainly pricey for a “lark”, but I’ve done dumber stuff so...

I wonder how it would handle my lighter 240gr/7.5 Unique and 220gr 6.3 Unique loads.....🤔

[entropy]

PS, here is the rig I carried it in. Safepacker on a Wilderness carrier, that holds two small, bike style water bottles. Galco carrier for extra ammo and a Surefire.

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94410


That’s old skool right there! Like it!

[MDFA]

I've heard :rolleyes: that holding a Deftec 25 when it goes off feels like that.

LOL; Tossed a few "Bangs" in my time, but I've never had the urge to hold onto one when it went off...:eek:

[03RN]

Have you tried aiwb?

[wcj]

You guys aren’t helping my bank account with all the pics.

Just sayin’.

I’ve had pinched nerve issues for a while. They come and go. Right now they’re here and don’t really seem to be ready to leave. Yesterday tried a snubby SP101 with an OWB speed scabbard. After about an hour, I began to feel even that. I have a HPG chest pouch, but wearing that with the bird vest just gives the woods more to grab onto. Not to mention mounting the shotgun.

Back to the ABBA work out vids I guess. I’m hoping to get out in the next month, cut some trees, work on the barn, and generally exercise my bones more. I’m hoping this will alleviate some of this. Maybe some WD40 in my bourbon.

Now that I dug into this...I’m still intrigued with it. Certainly pricey for a “lark”, but I’ve done dumber stuff so...

I wonder how it would handle my lighter 240gr/7.5 Unique and 220gr 6.3 Unique loads.....🤔



Your loads would be nice to shoot. I settled on 270 gr rimrock cast and 8 grains 231. 917fps with SD of 14.2. I am comfortable with it.

[entropy]

Your loads would be nice to shoot. I settled on 270 gr rimrock cast and 8 grains 231. 917fps with SD of 14.2. I am comfortable with it.

How would you compare your load to something in a more traditional weight gun as far as recoil goes then?

[Salamander]

There have been a few mentions of kit bags... so it may be worth noting that I use a Hill People kit bag a lot, especially when also needing to wear a backpack which can interfere with a OWB holster. It counters the weight nicely. That setup works well with N-frame revolvers, and I've used it a lot with a 625 Mountain Gun. I often spend more time off trail than on, including in dense brush, and have never had a problem with snagging. Actually it's less of a concern than with a typical holster. Can't speak to long gun use, haven't had a reason to try with that particular rig.

One other thought, I've considered a three-inch 629 a few times and there never seems to be one around at those times. Even if I found one though, there's really nothing in California that requires a full 44 Magnum load. It would probably see lighter loads, as my 29-2 does the few times it comes out of the safe.

[wcj]

How would you compare your load to something in a more traditional weight gun as far as recoil goes then?

That is a hard question to answer, somewhat subjective, so these are my thoughts, yours may differ. Probably closest comparison I can come up with would be generic 44 mag 240 grain fired in a 6 inch 29. Probably less "sharp" than the comparison gun.

[entropy]

That is a hard question to answer, somewhat subjective, so these are my thoughts, yours may differ. Probably closest comparison I can come up with would be generic 44 mag 240 grain fired in a 6 inch 29. Probably less "sharp" than the comparison gun.

Nope. That paints a picture for me. Thanks.

[Duelist]

You guys aren’t helping my bank account with all the pics.

Just sayin’.

I’ve had pinched nerve issues for a while. They come and go. Right now they’re here and don’t really seem to be ready to leave. Yesterday tried a snubby SP101 with an OWB speed scabbard. After about an hour, I began to feel even that. I have a HPG chest pouch, but wearing that with the bird vest just gives the woods more to grab onto. Not to mention mounting the shotgun.

Back to the ABBA work out vids I guess. I’m hoping to get out in the next month, cut some trees, work on the barn, and generally exercise my bones more. I’m hoping this will alleviate some of this. Maybe some WD40 in my bourbon.

Now that I dug into this...I’m still intrigued with it. Certainly pricey for a “lark”, but I’ve done dumber stuff so...

I wonder how it would handle my lighter 240gr/7.5 Unique and 220gr 6.3 Unique loads.....🤔

Pocket carry something light? I mean, your already lugging a shotgun, shells, and dog gear, it’s not like the pistol is anything but a backup anyway.