Looking for a suppressor for my B&T APC9 Pro

[WobblyPossum]

I'm looking to purchase a suppressor that will likely be used exclusively on a B&T APC9 Pro. It'll have to be tri-lug compatible as the APC9 has an integral tri-lug and I'm not interested in using the tri-lug to 1/2x28 thread adaptor just to be able to direct thread a can to the gun. I understand that I'll probably have to purchase a separate tri-lug adaptor for the suppressor as most don't seem to come with one. I would very much prefer the suppressor to be something that Silencershop carries. There are three Silencershop affiliated dealers with kiosks in my area and it's just really convenient buying from Silencershop through one of them. If there's something absolutely amazing and game changing out there that Silencershop doesn't carry, I'm open to checking it out. The dealers in the area do charge a pretty high transfer fee for anything not bought through them from Silencershop, though. For example, I think the B&T RBS9 SQD that was announced at Shot Show this year looks sick. They don't seem to be out in the wild yet and Silencershop only seems to list two B&T suppressors (a 5.56 one and a .22 LR one). I've briefly looked at the GSL Phoenix and I like what I've heard regarding the tone and dB reduction but, damn, that thing is silly-looking-big.

The three I've mostly been looking at are the Dead Air Wolfman, the HuxWrx/OSS Rad 9, and the Rugged Obsidian 9. The Rad 9 and the Obsidian 9 seem to be pretty popular for people running them on handguns. The Wolfman seems to be recommended if it's going to be used primarily on a PCC. I'm not really interested in running a suppressor on a handgun so if the Wolfman beats the others for my intended use, I'd like to know. I have no experience with handgun caliber suppressors, only with centerfire rifle ones, so I don't know what I don't know. Are these three good picks? Does any one of them stand head and shoulders above the rest? Are there some awesome ones I haven't considered? I've seen some recommendations for the CGS Mod9 and the YHM R9 as well. I have a YHM Turbo K that I like a lot so I've had good experiences with YHM but, again, I have no clue what I'm doing with pistol caliber cans.

Is there any reason to get a .45 ACP suppressor instead of a 9mm one to use on a 9mm PC if I likely won't be swapping it between random various guns?

[ccmdfd]

Don't have any experiences with the particular models you listed. On my APC I have an Omega 9K , and have been quite happy with it. It has the tri lug mount. I really like its small form factor. I didn't want to have a suppressor hanging off the front of the APC that's longer than the gun itself.

[HRoark]

Embrace the bigness. Get the Phoenix.

Best sounding subgun can there is, in my opinion.

[HCM]

The wolf man and Obsidian 9 are ok but why not just get the matching B&T suppressor?

https://www.armsunlimited.com/BT-RQD-Compact-APC9-MP5-3-Lug-9mm-Sound-Suppressor-p/sd-122800-us.htm

You can order this (or from someone else), have it shipped to a silencer shop dealer and still purchase it via the SS kiosk.

[HCM]

The wolf man and Obsidian 9 are ok but why not just get the matching B&T suppressor?

https://www.armsunlimited.com/BT-RQD-Compact-APC9-MP5-3-Lug-9mm-Sound-Suppressor-p/sd-122800-us.htm

You can order this (or from someone else), have it shipped to a silencer shop dealer and still purchase it via the SS kiosk.

If not, The choice between the Wolfman and the obsidian is going to be whether or not you want the ability to put this on a pistol. In my experience a suppressor on a PCC/SMG is useful, while pistol mounted suppressors are at best a niche item and realistically a mere novelty in most instances.

[WobblyPossum]

The wolf man and Obsidian 9 are ok but why not just get the matching B&T suppressor?

https://www.armsunlimited.com/BT-RQD-Compact-APC9-MP5-3-Lug-9mm-Sound-Suppressor-p/sd-122800-us.htm

You can order this (or from someone else), have it shipped to a silencer shop dealer and still purchase it via the SS kiosk.

Like I said in the OP, I’m lusting after the B&T RBS-9 SQD. It might just be worth paying the extra transfer fee.

[HCM]

Like I said in the OP, I’m listing after the B&T RBS-9 SQD. It might just be worth paying the extra transfer fee.

NFA is definitely a “buy once, cry once” endeavor.

[WobblyPossum]

NFA is definitely a “buy once, cry once” endeavor.

You’re not wrong. I think I’ll wait until the SQDs are readily available before I make a final decision. Maybe I get lucky and Silencershop stocks them, saving me a fat transfer fee.

ETA: looks like they’re listed on Arms Unlimited (https://www.armsunlimited.com/BT-SQD-APC9-MP5-3-Lug-9mm-Sound-Suppressor-p/sd-988206-us.htm) now. Only a matter of time before they’re in stock.

[ccmdfd]

In my experience a suppressor on a PCC/SMG is useful, while pistol mounted suppressors are at best a niche item and realistically a mere novelty in most instances.

Yep.

Wish I had known that years ago. Could have saved some $.

[WobblyPossum]

In my experience a suppressor on a PCC/SMG is useful, while pistol mounted suppressors are at best a niche item and realistically a mere novelty in most instances.


Yep.

Wish I had known that years ago. Could have saved some $.

I have no interest in putting a suppressor on a handgun other than a .22. I agree with both of you about the idea. Whatever I buy for the APC will be used only on that or other PCCs.

[flyrodr]

I have the APC9 Pro and Wolfman. I think they make a nice combo. By changing the adapter, the Wolfman works great on my Rattler in 300BO too.

[WobblyPossum]

So HUXWRX just released a new flow-through PCC suppressor, the CA$H 9k (https://huxwrx.com/cash-9k). I haven't seen much about it online yet. Does anyone have any info? HUXWRX was just awarded a contract for 5.56 suppressors by the FBI and people have had good things to say about their other suppressors. Plus it's available at SilencerShop (https://www.silencershop.com/silencers/pistol/oss-suppressors-huxwrx-cash-9.html). While I would like the B&T RBS-9 SQD to have a B&T suppressor on my B&T gun, the CA$H 9k is actually available now and, with eForm 4 wait times looking pretty long right now, the sooner I buy something, the sooner I'll have it in my hands.

[HCM]

So HUXWRX just released a new flow-through PCC suppressor, the CA$H 9k (https://huxwrx.com/cash-9k). I haven't seen much about it online yet. Does anyone have any info? HUXWRX was just awarded a contract for 5.56 suppressors by the FBI and people have had good things to say about their other suppressors. Plus it's available at SilencerShop (https://www.silencershop.com/silencers/pistol/oss-suppressors-huxwrx-cash-9.html). While I would like the B&T RBS-9 SQD to have a B&T suppressor on my B&T gun, the CA$H 9k is actually available now and, with eForm 4 wait times looking pretty long right now, the sooner I buy something, the sooner I'll have it in my hands.

While the Hux works flow through suppressors are generally “”self cleaning if you shoot them enough with dirty enough ammo, even the 556 cans can clog and require cleaning and blowing out crud.

I would be much more concerned about this, given the lower pressures and dirtier powders a pistol ammunition.

[WobblyPossum]

While the Hux works flow through suppressors are generally “”self cleaning if you shoot them enough with dirty enough ammo, even the 556 cans can clog and require cleaning and blowing out crud.

I would be much more concerned about this, given the lower pressures and dirtier powders a pistol ammunition.

Is that something to worry about with all flow-through suppressors? I’m not a fan of gas to the face and the APC9 is already a blowback gun so it’ll have more than enough gas to the face when suppressed with a traditional suppressor. That’s why my two top contenders are flow-through. Most of B&T’s suppressor lineup seems to be flow-through or “reduced back pressure” as they call it.

[HCM]

Is that something to worry about with all flow-through suppressors? I’m not a fan of gas to the face and the APC9 is already a blowback gun so it’ll have more than enough gas to the face when suppressed with a traditional suppressor. That’s why my two top contenders are flow-through. Most of B&T’s suppressor lineup seems to be flow-through or “reduced back pressure” as they call it.

Theoretically- yes.

But powder and pressure matter.

Just like an MCX gas piston system in 5.56 is self cleaning for practical purposes but the MPX (same thing but in 9mm) is an issue.

[Elkhitman]

I’ve ran a YHM R9 on my Stribog 9mm. Works and sounds great, really inexpensive can, think I paid a little north of $400 not including the stamp.

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Is that something to worry about with all flow-through suppressors? I’m not a fan of gas to the face and the APC9 is already a blowback gun so it’ll have more than enough gas to the face when suppressed with a traditional suppressor. That’s why my two top contenders are flow-through. Most of B&T’s suppressor lineup seems to be flow-through or “reduced back pressure” as they call it. Are you a lefty? I would think that there would be minimal gas to face given shooting right handed given that the back should be sealed, unlike in an AR where gas comes out the back where the charging handle is. FWIW, my CZ Evo has no discernable gas to face when suppressed with an Obsidian45 with a 9mm endcap despite being straight blowback, even left handed (the ejection port being too far forward for the gas to reach me). I would think that the only advantage of a flow through can on the B&T for semi-auto would be to lessen the wear on the hydraulic buffer, though that's just a SWAG on my part.

[WobblyPossum]

Theoretically- yes.

But powder and pressure matter.

Just like an MCX gas piston system in 5.56 is self cleaning for practical purposes but the MPX (same thing but in 9mm) is an issue.

I know non-flow-through suppressors also eventually get pretty caked with crud. Is the problem any worse with a flow-through design?What does cleaning a crud caked suppressor entail? I’ve seen a thread or two talking about ultrasonic tanks, assuming your suppressor is of a material that could take it. My only suppressor at the moment only has a few hundred round through it so I haven’t given cleaning much thought.


Are you a lefty? I would think that there would be minimal gas to face given shooting right handed given that the back should be sealed, unlike in an AR where gas comes out the back where the charging handle is. FWIW, my CZ Evo has no discernable gas to face when suppressed with an Obsidian45 with a 9mm endcap despite being straight blowback, even left handed (the ejection port being too far forward for the gas to reach me). I would think that the only advantage of a flow through can on the B&T for semi-auto would be to lessen the wear on the hydraulic buffer, though that's just a SWAG on my part.

I’m a righty. The vast majority of my suppressor experience is with AR pattern rifles so that’s the background I’m coming from. I once put a few rounds through a suppressed CZ Scorpion and don’t remember getting much gas to the face but it was almost five years ago so I don’t have a clear recollection.

[HCM]

I know non-flow-through suppressors also eventually get pretty caked with crud. Is the problem any worse with a flow-through design?What does cleaning a crud caked suppressor entail? I’ve seen a thread or two talking about ultrasonic tanks, assuming your suppressor is of a material that could take it. My only suppressor at the moment only has a few hundred round through it so I haven’t given cleaning much thought.



I’m a righty. The vast majority of my suppressor experience is with AR pattern rifles so that’s the background I’m coming from. I once put a few rounds through a suppressed CZ Scorpion and don’t remember getting much gas to the face but it was almost five years ago so I don’t have a clear recollection.

Soak, ultra sonic and with the flow through you will need high pressure air.

[23JAZ]

Deadair Wolfman. Rugged just released the Alaskan. Haven’t see any reviews yet though.

correction. NFA channel has a review.
https://youtu.be/clQuI4bRZBc

[El Cid]

I know non-flow-through suppressors also eventually get pretty caked with crud. Is the problem any worse with a flow-through design?What does cleaning a crud caked suppressor entail? I’ve seen a thread or two talking about ultrasonic tanks, assuming your suppressor is of a material that could take it. My only suppressor at the moment only has a few hundred round through it so I haven’t given cleaning much thought.



I’m a righty. The vast majority of my suppressor experience is with AR pattern rifles so that’s the background I’m coming from. I once put a few rounds through a suppressed CZ Scorpion and don’t remember getting much gas to the face but it was almost five years ago so I don’t have a clear recollection.

I run an Omega 9K on my APC9 Pro using the tri lug. I’ve ever noticed gas at all. And the can is rated for 300blk supersonic if you ever decide to go that route.

[WobblyPossum]

So many options at this point. This is the hassle of the NFA. I end up having to ask the audience and phone a friend before I can make a decision. If they made suppressors Title I firearms, or better yet not firearms at all and completely unregulated, I would just buy one of each of my top 3 choices and sell the ones I didn’t like. Can’t do that with the laws as they currently sit since each can takes an additional $200 and 8 months of waiting.

[El Cid]

So many options at this point. This is the hassle of the NFA. I end up having to ask the audience and phone a friend before I can make a decision. If they made suppressors Title I firearms, or better yet not firearms at all and completely unregulated, I would just buy one of each of my top 3 choices and sell the ones I didn’t like. Can’t do that with the laws as they currently sit since each can takes an additional $200 and 8 months of waiting.

Yep. And don’t forget the proprietary muzzle devices….

[WobblyPossum]

Yep. And don’t forget the proprietary muzzle devices….

At least that’s negated by the nature of the gun. Whatever I get needs to be tri-lug compatible since the gun has a fixed tri-lug. If B&T could just hurry up and widely release the RBS-9 SQD, I’d appreciate it. Otherwise, I might end up with one of the other suppressors already discussed. At this rate already, whatever I buy won’t be in my hands until late 2023. I don’t want to wait too much longer before I make a purchase. It would be one thing if my dealers of choice had a range on premises and I could at least set up some conjugal visits, but they don’t. I won’t be able to shoot what I buy until the Form 4 clears.

[The Rat]

If you think the GSL Phoenix is too big, you can always go with a shorter version, the CT9KS.

https://i.imgur.com/DP9OL39.jpeg

I was previously rolling with an AAC Tirant9, but the POI shift annoyed me. That being, with the can on, it would shift the POI a few inches in one of three directions, based on how the can was oriented on the tri-lug mount. The CT9KS is shorter, and though it takes a little longer to get mounted than a spring-loaded tri-lug mount, it's solid and I haven't experienced any POI shift from it.

Some guy named Amphibian on arfcom has done a bunch of writeups on the CT9KS; if you google the model name, they should come up.

[Amurr]

I am very happy with my Omega 9k on my APC9pro. It’s not the latest or greatest but it flat works and is quite a nice size and I find the sound signature to be very appropriate leave in that that with subsonic I’m not worried about firing without ear pro. I don’t shoot it without ear pro on the range, but it takes the concussion and sounds just enough. Might be worth comparing it to the new B&T suppresor. I don’t know if it’s worth doing a two piece can like the wolf man on a gun if that size and use case for me. I will say I got the Griffen tri lug and I wish lock up was just a little tighter.

[WobblyPossum]

So far my three front runners are the B&T RBS-9 SQD, the Dead Air Wolfman, and the HUXWRX CA$H 9k. It would be nice if the B&T was actually available. I’ll give it until January and if the B&T isn’t readily available by then, I’ll probably go with one of the others.

[BigBooper]

If you think the GSL Phoenix is too big, you can always go with a shorter version, the CT9KS...
The CT9KS is shorter, and though it takes a little longer to get mounted than a spring-loaded tri-lug mount, it's solid and I haven't experienced any POI shift from it.


Man, that APC9 looks great with the CT9KS! Would love to see more pics of that whole setup.

I found this thread since I've been looking at suppressing my APC9, and at this point it's a toss up between the CT9KS and the B&T SQD9, if they ever get them on the market. I have a feeling that the CT9KS will be quieter, but there's also something to be said for having a full B&T setup. How is the Curtis can in terms of first round pop, back pressure, and overall sound level?

Cheers

[crosseyedshooter]

For what it's worth, I shoot lefty with an APC9 Pro and the Wolfman in the long configuration gasses me out after three or four shots. I started running it in short configuration and it seems ok, so the Wolfman is pretty versatile in that regard. I run it with the tri-lug adapter from DeadAir and see approximately 1-1.5 inch POI shift at 25 yards.

[The Rat]

Man, that APC9 looks great with the CT9KS! Would love to see more pics of that whole setup.

I found this thread since I've been looking at suppressing my APC9, and at this point it's a toss up between the CT9KS and the B&T SQD9, if they ever get them on the market. I have a feeling that the CT9KS will be quieter, but there's also something to be said for having a full B&T setup. How is the Curtis can in terms of first round pop, back pressure, and overall sound level?

Cheers

I haven't noticed any first round pop, but then again I admittedly haven't been listening very hard for it. Sound level seems fine to my ear. I got it primarily for ease of maintenance, and because it's shorter than the Tirant-9 it replaced. The Tirant also had an issue where the zero would shift when attached, in one of three directions. I presume that had to do with the positioning on the three lug mount. The CT9KS is a little slower to put on, but I haven't noticed any zero shift.

[BigBooper]

I haven't noticed any first round pop, but then again I admittedly haven't been listening very hard for it. Sound level seems fine to my ear. I got it primarily for ease of maintenance, and because it's shorter than the Tirant-9 it replaced. The Tirant also had an issue where the zero would shift when attached, in one of three directions. I presume that had to do with the positioning on the three lug mount. The CT9KS is a little slower to put on, but I haven't noticed any zero shift.

Thanks for the details. As a matter of fact, I pulled the trigger on the CT9KS yesterday, so I'm glad to hear more good stuff about it! (Decided that the non-user servicability of the B&T can would be a pain in the long run.) Ease of maintenance and durable Ti + stainless steel construction are big advantages, and of course the high-volume, low back pressure design that makes it so quiet. Can't wait to try it out!

The folks at Curtis Tactical were a pleasure to deal with. The owner, Joe Jones, gave me a great deal on the can and seems like a real stand up guy.

[WobblyPossum]

I logged on to SilencerShop’s site this evening to see if the Dead Air Wolfman had come back in stock. Imagine my surprise when I saw the B&T RBS9 SQD full-size available. I placed an order. Now the hard part of actually waiting 9-11 months. My FFL doesn’t have a range on premises so I can’t even have conjugal visits. I get the regular kind of prison visits where you talk through the glass.

[HCM]

I logged on to SilencerShop’s site this evening to see if the Dead Air Wolfman had come back in stock. Imagine my surprise when I saw the B&T RBS9 SQD full-size available. I placed an order. Now the hard part of actually waiting 9-11 months. My FFL doesn’t have a range on premises so I can’t even have conjugal visits. I get the regular kind of prison visits where you talk through the glass.


https://youtu.be/TVtvBoELA-g

[HeavyDuty]

I’ve been watching this with interest because I’m finally working up to ordering my first can. (I needed to wait until my final address change went through so I could restate the trust.) I’m pretty well committed to a Wolfman to use on my PCCs and .300 BO plus light use on 5.56 - committed enough that I’ve been buying and installing KeyMicro and KeyMo muzzle devices.

Capital Armory just announced a silencer shoot in March, I may hold off until I get a chance to paw the goods.

[luckyman]

Any new thoughts on PCC suppressors?
Looking to put one on my S&W response, and eventually also use it on a 357 lever action.

My LGS has Deadair wolfman, Silencerco Octane 9, and Rock Optics Titan in stock. The wolfman is tempting me but I don’t know what I don’t know. FWIW, my only other suppressor is a SureFire mini on a 16” Geissele super duty. Looking for a middle of the road solution that isn’t too gassy (I’m assuming that won’t be a problem).

[JRB]

Any new thoughts on PCC suppressors?
Looking to put one on my S&W response, and eventually also use it on a 357 lever action.

My LGS has Deadair wolfman, Silencerco Octane 9, and Rock Optics Titan in stock. The wolfman is tempting me but I don’t know what I don’t know. FWIW, my only other suppressor is a SureFire mini on a 16” Geissele super duty. Looking for a middle of the road solution that isn’t too gassy (I’m assuming that won’t be a problem).

Wolfman 9, GSL Phoenix, Resilient RS9, PTR Vent 2, and the CAT MOB seem to be the current top five for PCC 9mm hotness.

The CAT MOB and PTR Vent 2 both use a highly advanced additive (aka 3d printed) Ti manufacturing process and the size to performance ratio of both is reputed to be simply amazing. I haven't seen or heard either in person just yet, but everyone I know who has just raves about it.

The Wolfman 9, GSL Phoenix, and RS9 are larger 'old school' designs with some modern features that perform very well on PCC's but are a bit large for good work on a locked breech pistol using a Nielsen device.

I'm currently waffling between the RS9 and the GSL Phoenix for my transferable UZI and SBR'd SP5.
I love the idea of new tech and crazy performance out of the MOB and Vent 2, but there's a lot of variables unanswered for maintenance & longevity IMHO. Especially for a 9mm can I'm going to run the hell out of on an SMG.

[awdxtc]

The CAT Mob is in my opinion th ebest sounding can for a pcc and it is wht will be going on my apc9 pro.