S&W Fixed Rear Sight for Adjustable Sight Revolvers $20

[revchuck38]

It's a factory part, here (https://www.cdnnsports.com/gun-parts/sights/smith-wesson-revolver-fixed-rear-sight.html).

[OlongJohnson]

They also have some Sile grips for Service/Speed Six.


Also, my wallet says, "You bastard!" I've been pretty settled on not getting a model 25 in the future, but now I'm not so sure.

[jandbj]

It's a factory part, here (https://www.cdnnsports.com/gun-parts/sights/smith-wesson-revolver-fixed-rear-sight.html).

Ordered 3! Thank you

[okie john]

Just bought two.

Now I need a couple of S&W revolvers.


Okie John

[awp_101]

Just bought two.

Now I need a couple of S&W revolvers.


Okie John

That’s the kind of dilemma I’m afraid I’m going to find myself in…

[HeavyDuty]

I grabbed a few too, something tells me these may get hard to find. Just what I need, revolver seeds.

[awp_101]

Dammit, 2 revolver seeds inbound…*sigh*

[03RN]

Somebody sent me that link yesterday :cool:

I thought about buying one but held off.

They are awesome though.

[feudist]

Just bought two.

Now I need a couple of S&W revolvers.


Okie John

https://c.tenor.com/_RXvBoRx9xkAAAAd/idi-amin-laugh.gif

[Dr_Thanatos]

Well, that cost me money...

[jtcarm]

They look intriguing, but I’d be concerned about shooting to POA.

Plus, Smith’s have the best factory adjustable irons of any revolver I’ve shot, and likely better than most bottom feeders. It’s a crisp sight picture with precise adjustments, and they hold.

[OlongJohnson]

Somebody sent me that link yesterday :cool:

I thought about buying one but held off.

They are awesome though.

You in particular should buy at least three, Mr. S&W woods-walker.

[Flamingo]

Well darn you! I bought the sight and the security six stocks. At least I have a security six. Now I need a adjustable sight Smith.

[SCCY Marshal]

They also have some Sile grips for Service/Speed Six.

Thanks, ordering a case of fixed rear sights wasn't enough, I had to go and throw several of those in the order.

Now my near complete humpback J-frame fund needs to be rebuilt.

[03RN]

You in particular should buy at least three, Mr. S&W woods-walker.

Well, I've been thinking hard about putting a RMR on my 66 so I would have a spare.

[okie john]

They look intriguing, but I’d be concerned about shooting to POA.

They only fit the new Smiths, which have pinned front sights. Pick a load, then get the front sight that gets you just under your desired POI. Some careful file work should take care of the rest. You wouldn't put them on a target revolver, but they move an adjustable-sighted Smith a lot closer to being an ideal fighting revolver. You get most of the sight picture of an adjustable-sighted gun with most of the ruggedness of a fixed-sight gun.


Plus, Smith’s have the best factory adjustable irons of any revolver I’ve shot, and likely better than most bottom feeders. It’s a crisp sight picture with precise adjustments, and they hold.

All true until you drop the gun.

Allegedly.


Okie John

[HeavyDuty]

Plus, Smith’s have the best factory adjustable irons of any revolver I’ve shot, and likely better than most bottom feeders. It’s a crisp sight picture with precise adjustments, and they hold.

I have to disagree - I find S&W adjustable rear sights to be a train wreck of different planes and angles, very difficult for me to visually deal with. I’ve replaced mine with Bowen rears.

[Nj Det 354]

Bought two. Just in case.

[ralph]

Bought 2 myself, I also believe these will be a hard to find item in the future.

[jh9]

They only fit the new Smiths, which have pinned front sights.

That's not necessarily true. There are a fair few round-tang rear sight guns without pinned front sights. The pinned sight wasn't standard(ish) until sometime in the very late 90s. Even some of the earlier post-FMFP/MIM guns in 1997 still had front sights that were part of the barrel forging. I don't think it's necessarily safe to say most adjustable sighted K/L/Ns had pinned sights until around the turn of the century.

The drop in, round-tang rear sight was introduced about 10 years earlier. IIRC.

[jtcarm]

I have to disagree - I find S&W adjustable rear sights to be a train wreck of different planes and angles, very difficult for me to visually deal with. I’ve replaced mine with Bowen rears.

To each their own.

[jtcarm]

They only fit the new Smiths, which have pinned front sights. Pick a load, then get the front sight that gets you just under your desired POI. Some careful file work should take care of the rest. You wouldn't put them on a target revolver, but they move an adjustable-sighted Smith a lot closer to being an ideal fighting revolver. You get most of the sight picture of an adjustable-sighted gun with most of the ruggedness of a fixed-sight gun.



All true until you drop the gun.

Allegedly.


Okie John

My carry guns are FS. I wish they were pinned bc I hate the the 1/8” Baughman on anything shorter that 5.5”.

I have a Model 60 that would get more carry duty if it didn’t print 4:00 3” out at 10 yards.

[HeavyDuty]

To each their own.

Agreed - choice is good! My vision is different from others.

[okie john]

That's not necessarily true. There are a fair few round-tang rear sight guns without pinned front sights. The pinned sight wasn't standard(ish) until sometime in the very late 90s. Even some of the earlier post-FMFP/MIM guns in 1997 still had front sights that were part of the barrel forging. I don't think it's necessarily safe to say most adjustable sighted K/L/Ns had pinned sights until around the turn of the century.

The drop in, round-tang rear sight was introduced about 10 years earlier. IIRC.

I stand corrected.


Okie John

[Jim Watson]

Kind of deceptive for them to say

Compatible w/Models:
10 K-Frame
11 K-Frame
12 K-Frame
13 K-Frame

when those would have to be machined to take it. There are simpler installations if you want a better fixed sight on a fixed sight gun.


Going to hurt Dave Lauck's business except at the high end, his fixed-for-adjustable is $70.

[Glendive]

What are the simpler installation if you want better sights on a fixed sight gun. Thank you

[Jim Watson]

I think it is Ted Yost that does a neat one more suited to a hogwallow conversion, but $$$.
Hamilton Bowen did but he quit working on Smiths.
There are some pictures of simple blades driven into grooves or narrow dovetails on the S&W board, but I don't know where to get one now. Pity.

[UNK]

I think it is Ted Yost that does a neat one more suited to a hogwallow conversion, but $$$.
Hamilton Bowen did but he quit working on Smiths.
There are some pictures of simple blades driven into grooves or narrow dovetails on the S&W board, but I don't know where to get one now. Pity.

If you can give me a link Ill look at them.

[Jim Watson]

Ted Yost at http://www.estatesporting.com
Sorry, it won't come up for me, I cannot point you right at a picture.

Here is a plug for the Bowen
https://gunblast.com/Bowen-SP101.htm
Unfortunately no longer shown even for Ruger at
https://gunblast.com/Bowen-SP101.htm

Here are some of what used to be done before the present dark age.
http://smith-wessonforum.com/s-w-hand-ejectors-1896-1961/581287-1917-fixed-sight-target-ropers.html?581287=#post140315553

[OlongJohnson]

About 2 1/2 years ago, Bowen said he was at least thinking about making an RC sight for the adjustable-sight SP101s. Wouldn't hurt to have a few people bug him about that, I reckon.

[Poconnor]

Thank you for the heads up. I just ordered a few.

[Poconnor]

Duplicate

[awp_101]

So I just realized what the “round tang” comments are about. Is there a size or hole spacing difference that would prevent them from replacing a square tang rear sight? Can the round tang be modified to fit a square tang mounting slot? Would it be difficult for a ‘smith to modify a square slot to accept a round tang?

It’s not a deal breaker since I don’t have an adjustable sight S&W right now anyway, but it does cut down the number of candidates when I start looking.

[jh9]

So I just realized what the “round tang” comments are about. Is there a size or hole spacing difference that would prevent them from replacing a square tang rear sight? Can the round tang be modified to fit a square tang mounting slot? Would it be difficult for a ‘smith to modify a square slot to accept a round tang?

It’s not a deal breaker since I don’t have an adjustable sight S&W right now anyway, but it does cut down the number of candidates when I start looking.

Comparison: http://www.bowenclassicarms.com/parts_store/tech_notes_smith_&_wesson_old_style_sights.html

93471

Short answer: no
Long answer: if you're willing to add metal where there's not enough and remove metal where there's too much anything is possible. It's how they got Python sights on 1911s and how the original custom longslide 6" 1911s were made, after all.

If you want a pre-lock gun that works with a round-tang site it will vary by model. I think the Ns got them first, but some of them (629-3s, IIRC?) got a completely different type of round-tang sight that was longer and not compatible with the standard round-tag sight that came shortly afterwards. Wiki says 1994 for the model 19, for instance. I think some 29s got them as early as the late 1980s.

If you want one that has both that and a pinned front sight that can be replaced without milling off the old front sight it will be a relatively small date range of guns for most models. The pinned sights didn't become standard until just before the lock was introduced. Those guns aren't unobtanium, btw. Smith did make a bunch in those years. You just need to know specific dash numbers or dates and prowl gunbroker accordingly.

[03RN]

You can just drill and tap the top strap

[jh9]

You can just drill and tap the top strap

Offhand I'm not 100% sure the actual 'dovetail' dimensions at the rear of the slot are the same.

But even if they were, the holes in the gun for the square tang sight were not cut in uniform places. You might also need to drill a 3rd hole in the new sight if the big hole in the sight and the little hole in the topstrap have any overlap.

With enough dremel anything is possible. :cool:

JCN

[jh9]

The premise of the thread is a closeout / discount $20 sight. I wouldn't want to stop someone from turning that into not only a new gun but also an extensive gunsmithing project... but it probably would help to know what you're getting into.

[okie john]

Mine just arrived. Totally legit factory parts.

Now I need a new Model 67 to go with one of them.


Okie John

[okie john]

Totem Polar, where you at? You're conspicuous by your absence.


Okie John

[awp_101]

The premise of the thread is a closeout / discount $20 sight. I wouldn't want to stop someone from turning that into not only a new gun but also an extensive gunsmithing project... but it probably would help to know what you're getting into.

I play with 10/22s and MK series pistols. Finding a part on sale and it leading to flat wallet syndrome isn’t new to me. In fact it’s sort of a theme…

Revolver seeds have landed:

93488

[Flamingo]

They also have some Sile grips for Service/Speed Six.

This was the best 7 bucks I have spent in a long time. Thanks!

[Totem Polar]

Totem Polar, where you at? You're conspicuous by your absence.


Okie John

Mea culpa: i’m in the thick of academic scheduling hell, and I have been… absent.

I may need one of these for my 66-1.

But what I really need is a j-frame version for my 36-6. Why do you hate America, S&W?

:)

[revchuck38]

I may need one of these for my 66-1.


Sorry, it won't fit, it's for the newer versions. Otherwise, I would've gotten one for my M28-2.

[Totem Polar]

Sorry, it won't fit, it's for the newer versions. Otherwise, I would've gotten one for my M28-2.

i don’t hate you, despite the buzzkill. Just so you know.

;)

[okie john]

Mea culpa: i’m in the thick of academic scheduling hell, and I have been… absent.

I may need one of these for my 66-1.

But what I really need is a j-frame version for my 36-6. Why do you hate America, S&W?

:)

No child left behind, bro.


Okie John

[awp_101]

But what I really need is a j-frame version for my 36-6. Why do you hate America, S&W?

:)
I set one on top of my 442 and looked at it wistfully for a few moments.

[Flamingo]

I set one on top of my 442 and looked at it wistfully for a few moments.

Is it wrong that I did the same thing with my 60-4?

[awp_101]

Is it wrong that I did the same thing with my 60-4?

Not at all. It also made me realize a new front sight would be needed as well...

[OlongJohnson]

I've been pretty settled on not getting a model 25 in the future, but now I'm not so sure.

So it looks like a 25-11 is what I need to be watching out for. Round sight base, no lock. It has a bunch of MIM, but apparently, later guns are more likely to have appropriately sized throats.

Will probably be awhile.

[Poconnor]

I am going to try one on a 66-4.

[Michpatriot]

I really missed the boat...wanted a rear fixed sight for my 329PD but the CDNN link is all sold out.

[jh9]

So it looks like a 25-11 is what I need to be watching out for. Round sight base, no lock. It has a bunch of MIM, but apparently, later guns are more likely to have appropriately sized throats.

Will probably be awhile.

AFAIK all the -11s were PC guns, circa 2001 they were still using forged parts.

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/940295798

I had that one bookmarked and let it go. Buyer got it for right at 1k. They crop up often-ish.

[OlongJohnson]

That would be a heck of a nice woods companion.

[Totem Polar]

I am going to try one on a 66-4.

Keep us posted.
:cool:

[Michpatriot]

I really missed the boat...wanted a rear fixed sight for my 329PD but the CDNN link is all sold out.


Awp_101 is a stand up member! He pm'd me about a spare extreme duty sight and took time out of his life to get shipped out and in my hands..great member to do business with!

Joel

[awp_101]

Thanks and no problem!