Beretta New Release, APX A1

[medmo]

Beretta's re-born APX, the APX A1:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSuWJwbQC7Y

[claymore504]

Looks good to me for sure. I had a compact model APX a couple years back and it was great. I sold it off when I downsized and focused more on one platform.

[Polecat]

Maybe they can offer the APX carry in a 10-12 round configuration while they are busy updating things!!

[Kyle Reese]

Let's hope that Beretta is on point with offering optic mounting plates with this pistol.

[Texaspoff]

Color me impressed. Looks like they took what was questionable about the APX and fixed it, and kept what was good. That's a refreshing change for a manufacturer.



TXPO

[claymore504]

Yeah I am impressed that they listened and seem to have made changes based on vaild feedback. I hope they really push this model and support it like Sig supports the P320.

[medmo]

Let's hope that Beretta is on point with offering optic mounting plates with this pistol.

In the video interview with the COO, he says yes, it will ship with multiple plates.

[medmo]

Phoned Beretta US and checked, the Beretta Safety Assembly on Frame for APX Full Size kit will fit the APX A1.

[medmo]

It looks like they redesigned everything aesthetically, ergonomically and functionality which is a good thing. Nicely done Beretta.

[claymore504]

In the video interview with the COO, he says yes, it will ship with multiple plates.

Could not find info on the Beretta website, but here is what a vendor is saying:

RED-DOT OPTIC READY SLIDE
The red-dot ready slide is designed to receive a variety of optics plates, one of which will be provided by Beretta free of charge through the warranty registration process online, including Burris, C-more, Shield, and Holosun Series.

[Thy.Will.Be.Done]

I'm into this, honestly really like the APX Carry A1 that I bought recently and it's looking to be my go to summer carry with an Enigma shell. Would be more interested in the compact sized or subcompact, won't likely jump on the full size train as I'm not LE or Mil.

[Thy.Will.Be.Done]

Could not find info on the Beretta website, but here is what a vendor is saying:

RED-DOT OPTIC READY SLIDE
The red-dot ready slide is designed to receive a variety of optics plates, one of which will be provided by Beretta free of charge through the warranty registration process online, including Burris, C-more, Shield, and Holosun Series.

If these are handled the same way the A1 Carry was, then you'll have to fill out a form and they'll mail you a coupon code for the plate you choose for your optic so you can purchase from the vendor selling the plates.

I still haven't received mine. An interesting note is I chose the Trijicon plate for the A1 Carry and they didn't specify whether it was RMR or RMR CC fit as they are different. I was hoping for the RMR cc compatibility as I don't feel the RMR is necessary on pistol that size and my hang off quite a bit with the large radius at the edges of the slide, we'll see if this turns into an abortion in the end.

It would be cool if they did something to replicate the P365 format with the A1 but I'm not holding my breath for it anytime soon with the slow speed they bring new products to market with.

[MattyD380]

Phoned Beretta US and checked, the Beretta Safety Assembly on Frame for APX Full Size kit will fit the APX A1.

I was wondering this too. So, you would have to switch out the grip frame? To the one they supply with the safety kit? (Which would be the original style frame… I guess). (Or am I misinterpreting that they include a separate grip frame with the safety kit?)

Maybe not, though. If there’s enough clearance for the safety on the A1 frame.

[JonInWA]

What impressed me the most is the discussions on design/design improvement and quality control and testing. In a field where seemingly everyone else throws things out on the market and the consumer is the beta tester/QC, Beretta seems comitted to a higher standard per individual gun.

I'm pretty invested in Glock and HK, so it would be a bit of an uphill struggle for me to invest in it, but I'm definitely interested.

Best, Jon

[medmo]

I was wondering this too. So, you would have to switch out the grip frame? To the one they supply with the safety kit? (Which would be the original style frame… I guess). (Or am I misinterpreting that they include a separate grip frame with the safety kit?)

Maybe not, though. If there’s enough clearance for the safety on the A1 frame.

Good question, I should have asked. I do know that is possible to install the kit on your current grip with a slight mod. Also possible to install it on a Centurion grip. See comments below from a review of the kit on Beretta's website:

[JTQ]

I posted the following at post #405 in our big "Beretta APX" thread in 2019

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?22141-Beretta-APX/page41

I get the feeling with all the negative feedback the slide treatment gets - and perhaps it's a problem for holster makers, since the APX still doesn't show on a lot of holster makers gun list charts - that Beretta is going to come out with a new model with a more conventional slide. I don't think the current slide profile is awful, but I'd rather have more conventional grasping serrations. Because that bug is in my head (put there by myself), I'm hesitant to get something that could possibly change to something I prefer more, before the change is made. Therefore, I wait for a model that may never come.


Heck, now I kind of feel obligated to buy an APX A1.

[Jared]

I look forward to this and hopefully line extensions also.

[RevolverRob]

Link to APX A1 (https://www.beretta.com/en-us/apx-striker-family/) for us Luddites who hate Youtube.

[thatguybryan]

I posted the following at post #405 in our big "Beretta APX" thread in 2019

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?22141-Beretta-APX/page41


Heck, now I kind of feel obligated to buy an APX A1.

You are obligated after that comment!

Happy to see these changes, and I hope that this gets more popular. I’ll probably end up picking one up this year.

[medmo]

Link to APX A1 (https://www.beretta.com/en-us/apx-striker-family/) for us Luddites who hate Youtube.

That’s a cool marketing vid and all but this link, (I know it’s YT), has a lot more info and background on the pistol. It is James from TFB touring the factory, interviewing the Beretta COO, the pistol designer and other people. Also running the A1 through some paces at the Beretta factory.

https://youtu.be/CSuWJwbQC7Y

[RevolverRob]

That’s a cool marketing vid and all but this link, (I know it’s YT), has a lot more info and background on the pistol. It is James from TFB touring the factory, interviewing the Beretta COO, the pistol designer and other people. Also running the A1 through some paces at the Beretta factory.

https://youtu.be/CSuWJwbQC7Y

I think you misunderstand. When I say luddite - I mean I didn't watch Beretta's marketing video. I looked at the pictures and read the words and numbers on the page.

I know I'm weird, but personally I'd rather watch paint dry than watch gun videos.

It's not a knock on folks who like Youtube or video media. I just don't consume media/information in that format for personal use. There are manifold reasons for this, but the main reason is: 1) GunTube has a bad tendency to take 120-seconds of information and turn it into 12-minutes of fluff.

Case in point - I opened this thread this morning and within 2-minutes learned:

Beretta brought out a new APX, it's called the A1.

APX A1 Has a new slide that is less ugly and is optics ready.

It will ship with multiple plates.

Due to the efforts of folks here on P-F, I've learned that the thumb safety Beretta offers will be working on the A1 variant (thanks for checking into that).

From Beretta's website I learned it's dimensionally very similar to the old APX and will come in right around G19 size range.

My conclusion: A striker fired 9mm pistol with ergos that fit my hand and thumb safety is an option. I'm interested.

[Whirlwind06]

The gun shop I work at can't keep the current APXs in stock. We get a few in and they are gone in a few days.
If Beretta keeps them priced as they are these will be a great seller as well.

[Thy.Will.Be.Done]

The gun shop I work at can't keep the current APXs in stock. We get a few in and they are gone in a few days.
If Beretta keeps them priced as they are these will be a great seller as well.

They almost certainly will because it's what the market seems to support. They want to take a large share of the market and it's a difficult market to gain traction in, sadly.

[kwb377]

$479 if you have a Bass Pro nearby...

https://www.basspro.com/shop/en/beretta-apx-a1-full-size-optics-ready-semi-auto-pistol

[fixer]

Much better than the current apx

I may pick one up for the novelty of having a striker fired beretta amongst a sea of 92s in my safe.

[Sig_Fiend]

I'm honestly excited and happy for Beretta. This one looks like it'll be a success and the enhancements seem well thought out. It's unfortunate the "A0" has been so overlooked, seemingly for the superficial reason of "the serrations look weird" to some people.

I'm also heavily invested in Glock and H&K. Definitely not going to be a "replacement" for me, but I think I might have to buy one just to support the company. Based on appearance and the enhancements, I could see it being an enjoyable shooter.

They have some humor too! This was a nice, subtle burn ;)


Ambidextrous controls adjust to right and wrong-handed shooters

https://www.beretta.com/en-us/apx-a1-full-size/

[JclInAtx]

From Beretta's website I learned it's dimensionally very similar to the old APX and will come in right around G19 size range.


Just to quantify the above I compared the specs on the Beretta site to the g19 on Glocks site and the new apx is around .65 inches longer slide length, .5 inhes taller in height, and around .3 inches thicker. May want to double check as this was pre second mug of coffee.

I appreciate the link; I to prefer being able to read/scan an article first to decide if its worth watching a video.

[kwb377]

Just to quantify the above I compared the specs on the Beretta site to the g19 on Glocks site and the new apx is around .65 inches longer slide length, .5 inhes taller in height, and around .3 inches thicker.

I had both the Centurion and full-size APX...the Centurion is comparable to the G19 size-wise.

[Cecil Burch]

My conclusion: A striker fired 9mm pistol with ergos that fit my hand and thumb safety is an option. I'm interested.


ditto

I think what I am most intrigued by is that MAYBE, out of the box it is GTG (with the caveat of adding the safety). I am running a Glock with a RD as my non-NPE gun, but one has a Boresight frame package on it with an Overwatch flat trigger, and the ohter is a Poly80 frame. Both have Gadgets as well and both had to be sent out to have the slide milled. So "glock perfection" is not really that out of the box, and it would be nice to have an affordable option that is somewhat supported by the maker and/or aftermarket, with a RD option ready to go, that could be a perfect fit for the new gun owner who will most likely never be a gun guy who wants to deal with new triggers, new sights, sending the slide out for milling, adding an additional safety layer, etc.

I was hoping the CZ P10 would be that, and it would be except there is no way to add a thumb safety or gadget.

[Cecil Burch]

mistaken duplicate

[JclInAtx]

I had both the Centurion and full-size APX...the Centurion is comparable to the G19 size-wise.

But I only see the full size being announced now? Maybe I misunderstood, I thought the latest apx a1 was being compared to the g19.

I'm not interested in a full size but a centurion or compact would be interesting....

[Kirk]

Does anyone know if the Apx Carry A1 can have a safety added? My Google is coming up short.

[kwb377]

But I only see the full size being announced now? Maybe I misunderstood, I thought the latest apx a1 was being compared to the g19.

I'm not interested in a full size but a centurion or compact would be interesting....

Haven't kept up with it...have they discontinued the current Centurion? Or will it possibly get the "A1" treatment after they roll out the full size?

I assumed the new model was going to be the same size as the outgoing full size APX, just with upgraded features?

[RevolverRob]

Does anyone know if the Apx Carry A1 can have a safety added? My Google is coming up short.

See medmo's post #8 in this thread - https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?52807-Beretta-New-Release-APX-A1&p=1354457&viewfull=1#post1354457

[Kirk]

See medmo's post #8 in this thread - https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?52807-Beretta-New-Release-APX-A1&p=1354457&viewfull=1#post1354457

Thanks for the reply! I’m an idiot, no idea how I missed that.

An APX Carry A1 with a safety is a pretty nice option at $650ish with optic

[cjb1911]

In stock at buds for $479

[Thy.Will.Be.Done]

Does anyone know if the Apx Carry A1 can have a safety added? My Google is coming up short.

No, it is not possible. Only regular APX lineup, Carry is different line entirely.

[Kirk]

No, it is not possible. Only regular APX lineup, Carry is different line entirely.

Thank you for the clarification. Bummer, but still super interested at that price point (plus there is some kind of $100 rebate right now)

[medmo]

In stock at buds for $479

Dang. Well it looks like they have the pricing part spot on if they seriously are wanting to make market inroads. That is a super reasonable price. I'm saying that because in the TFB video with the factory tour, Beretta really tests each pistol before it ships including proof loads. Also, this pistol wasn't selected in the MHS trials but it passed and exceeded the reliability testing. In a fugly kind of way. It looks like they fixed the fugly, enhanced the trigger and ergos with the A1 revision.

[Thy.Will.Be.Done]

Thank you for the clarification. Bummer, but still super interested at that price point (plus there is some kind of $100 rebate right now)

Buy one, you'll thank me later. It's a Beretta, honestly, I really don't think you overpaid at $250 after rebate if you're buying online.

[newyork]

My conclusion: A striker fired 9mm pistol with ergos that fit my hand and thumb safety is an option. I'm interested.

Sounds like an M&app 2.0 compact fits that bill as well.

[fly out]

It's time for the thumb safety to come as an installed option on the A1 Compact. Other sizes would be fine, too, but it's the A1 Compact that I will be picking up.

[MandoWookie]

Have they had an optics ready APX before now? If so, is the the same system, and how does it compare to others out now?

$479(or possibly less with a rebate)for an OR pistol sounds really tempting.

[Greg Bell]

The original APX was already excellent. I am excited to try this one out.

[Hambo]

$479 if you have a Bass Pro nearby...

https://www.basspro.com/shop/en/beretta-apx-a1-full-size-optics-ready-semi-auto-pistol

Just ten minutes from here...

[JTQ]

Have they had an optics ready APX before now?
Yes, it was called APX Target

https://www.beretta.com/en-us/beretta-apx-target/


If so, is the the same system, and how does it compare to others out now?

I don't know.

[MikeyCNY]

I haven't seen mentioned in any of the press releases, but do the magazines from the "A0" work in the A1 and vice versa? I picked up an APX Centurion last year - little top heavy but reliable shooter. Kind of interested in an A1 but would not want to buy all new mags again...

I'd probably wait for a 'Compact' version - stuck with 10 rounders here so not a fan of fullsize.

[JclInAtx]

Yes, it was called APX Target

https://www.beretta.com/en-us/beretta-apx-target/


I don't know.

There was the APX RDO models in full size, centurion, and I think compact, and also a APX Combat model. They went on sale pre covid then seemed to disappear. I procrastinated and missed out.

Looks like the optic plates are purchased separately for the A1. Here's hoping they release centurion and compact models soon.

[Thy.Will.Be.Done]

I'll be waiting probably a year or so for the prices to come down further and they'll start releasing other colorways and formats. Looks great for the money, they made all the changes I'd hoped to see. Here's to waiting for FDE compact model...

[claymore504]

I haven't seen mentioned in any of the press releases, but do the magazines from the "A0" work in the A1 and vice versa? I picked up an APX Centurion last year - little top heavy but reliable shooter. Kind of interested in an A1 but would not want to buy all new mags again...

I'd probably wait for a 'Compact' version - stuck with 10 rounders here so not a fan of fullsize.

pretty sure they do. I think it is mentioned in the TFB TV video.

[MikeyCNY]

pretty sure they do. I think it is mentioned in the TFB TV video.

Thanks, must have missed it.

[AdioSS]

Yes, it was called APX Target

https://www.beretta.com/en-us/beretta-apx-target/


Prior to the Target they had the Combat & RDO models. They even had a Centurion Combat.

[MandoWookie]

Already in stock at the local Cabelas/Bass Pro.
Handled one, was very impressed, felt in hand much better then the OG APX, slide serrations are much better.
Front tritium night sight, OR, interchangeable back straps, flat faced style trigger( that I wasnt able to dry fire), everything felt smooth working the action.
For $479 it is very tempting.

[Thy.Will.Be.Done]

Already in stock at the local Cabelas/Bass Pro.
Handled one, was very impressed, felt in hand much better then the OG APX, slide serrations are much better.
Front tritium night sight, OR, interchangeable back straps, flat faced style trigger( that I wasnt able to dry fire), everything felt smooth working the action.
For $479 it is very tempting.

Yep, Beretta is spot on with the APX Carry A1 so this is no surprise... well done, Italy.

My thought when I got A1 Carry was these changes would soon be added to APX full lineup given popular results, gotta say it feels good being right here.

Have to think $400 at dealers on the interwebz all day after these are out for a while, I'll have a thing or two I bet.

[MandoWookie]

Yep, Beretta is spot on with the APX Carry A1 so this is no surprise... well done, Italy.

My thought when I got A1 Carry was these changes would soon be added to APX full lineup given popular results, gotta say it feels good being right here.

Have to think $400 at dealers on the interwebz all day after these are out for a while, I'll have a thing or two I bet.

Only obstacles I see is mag prices, and holster support.

Edit to add: nevermind on mags, comparable to Glock prices.

[JclInAtx]

Only obstacles I see is mag prices, and holster support.

Edit to add: nevermind on mags, comparable to Glock prices.

There weren't many options for optic compatible sights for the RDO. Hopefully that's changed.

[medmo]

There weren't many options for optic compatible sights for the RDO. Hopefully that's changed.

In the TFB video interview with Beretta's COO he said that plates will be available for pretty much everything. Not sure if a multi plate kit will ship like Smith and Wesson or Glock or if the consumer will have to buy it separately. MandoWookie, does a multi plate kit, or any plates come with the pistol?

[MandoWookie]

In the TFB video interview with Beretta's COO he said that plates will be available for pretty much everything. Not sure if a multi plate kit will ship like Smith and Wesson or Glock or if the consumer will have to buy it separately. MandoWookie, does a multi plate kit, or any plates come with the pistol?

Didnt buy it, but my understanding was it doesn't come with plates. Maybe a voucher for one? Not sure. They are $50 on the Beretta online shop though. It they are decent, and not plastic like the S&W plates, and the system is solid, doesn't seem like a bad price.
The question is if the Beretta system is a good one.

[Thy.Will.Be.Done]

Didnt buy it, but my understanding was it doesn't come with plates. Maybe a voucher for one? Not sure. They are $50 on the Beretta online shop though. It they are decent, and not plastic like the S&W plates, and the system is solid, doesn't seem like a bad price.
The question is if the Beretta system is a good one.

This is the correct way to do it, as you're only going to mount one optic typically. This way you get the highest quality machined plate, instead of a handful or more of plates that are lower quality and most will not be used. H&K does similarly but you actually have to buy the plate, they don't even include one with the purchase after the sale. Their plates are extremely high quality machinings, which isn't the norm at all.

[JclInAtx]

In the TFB video interview with Beretta's COO he said that plates will be available for pretty much everything. Not sure if a multi plate kit will ship like Smith and Wesson or Glock or if the consumer will have to buy it separately. MandoWookie, does a multi plate kit, or any plates come with the pistol?

I realize I wasnt clear, often my thoughts get lost in translation as I hunt and peck on my tablet....
I was referring to back up iron sights tall enough to be used with, seen through the optic. It appears from photos that the sights it ships with would be useless with an optic mounted.

[pangloss]

Has anyone here shot one of these yet? ArmsUnlimited has them for $399 (LINK (https://www.armsunlimited.com/Beretta-APX-A1-9mm-Pistol-p/jaxf921a1.htm)) which is proving difficult to resist. My money would be better spent on ammo for my Glocks. My money would be better spent on ammo for Glocks. At least that's what I keep telling myself.

[thatguybryan]

Just got to handle one of these at the NRA show here in Houston. I really like the features and look of the a1, but something I immediately noticed was that this has a trigger trough that is similar to those on the hk45/p30 and it felt like it would really irritate my trigger finger while shooting.

Anyone else notice this?

[star-dot-star]

Got to put my hands on one at a local shop. The trigger was a little bit lighter than the original and felt like about a half pound or so reduction. Not a lot but noticeable. Waiting for the Centurion version.

[JonInWA]

I had a chance to handle and dryfire one at a high volume LGS the other day. I was impressed with the ergos and general feel; it really looks like a quality offering. The controls are very well placed and shaped for access. The standard tritium front sight is a very nice addition, and reeinforces my impressions as this gun being a quality and genuine product.

My only qualms were that 1) it comes with 2 magazines, instead of the 3 Glock issues; and 2) the triggerpull has a very soft break; great for competition, not necessarily so great for duty/EDC in my opinion. The break struck me as being similar to, but lighter than, the break on my HK VP. In a SFS, I personally prefer a slightly harder, more discernable wall/break, like on a Glock.

If I were looking for a duty-size, but easily carried and conceiled 9mm, this would be very high on my list for consideration and selection.

Best, Jon

[trajiiic]

I jumped on one of these since they are currently going for sub $400. I've been eyeballing this pistol since May. It was between the APX A1 and the PX4 Storm CC. Since it costs my firstborn's soul to get a red dot on a PX4/92, I decided the APX A1 was right for me. I am also a bit of a Beretta fanboy.

Damage So Far:

Beretta APX A1
Beretta APX A1 Trijicon optics plate
Holosun 507c w/ ACSS Vulcan (red)
Streamlight TLR-1 HL
Philster Floodlight OWB

The two major complaints I've seen with this pistol is that removing the RDO plate screws can be nearly impossible and that the slide coating/paint is not very strong. I'm debating bringing it to a gunsmith to remove the RDO screws since I've already had close calls with my 1301. Other than that, holsters for light and red dot don't really exist right now. This is nothing new for me, I also have a 92A1. The Floodlight holster should work well for both.

I'll update when I have everything together.

[LockedBreech]

I jumped on one of these since they are currently going for sub $400. I've been eyeballing this pistol since May. It was between the APX A1 and the PX4 Storm CC. Since it costs my firstborn's soul to get a red dot on a PX4/92, I decided the APX A1 was right for me. I am also a bit of a Beretta fanboy.

Damage So Far:

Beretta APX A1
Beretta APX A1 Trijicon optics plate
Holosun 507c w/ ACSS Vulcan (red)
Streamlight TLR-1 HL
Philster Floodlight OWB

The two major complaints I've seen with this pistol is that removing the RDO plate screws can be nearly impossible and that the slide coating/paint is not very strong. I'm debating bringing it to a gunsmith to remove the RDO screws since I've already had close calls with my 1301. Other than that, holsters for light and red dot don't really exist right now. This is nothing new for me, I also have a 92A1. The Floodlight holster should work well for both.

I'll update when I have everything together.

Sounds like a pretty solid package, certainly interested in pics and range reports.

[cyberiad]

I've seen a couple of videos where the APX RDO cover plate screws were discussed. I may just be lucky, but I found "nearly impossible" to be "easy." Do not use anything but a 2mm hex bit for the screws and you should be fine. My guess is that people are trying to use a 1/16" bit and while it might seem like it will work if there is just a little too much thread locker or not enough downward pressure the screw can strip really easily. I usually clamp the slide to my bench before I try to move the screws and use as short a handle for the driver as possible.

I've had mine in and out of a kydex holster and the finish seems fine. The finish is more like a paint or Cerakote than the "A0" but I expect kydex to wear it over time so it doesn't matter to me.

[trajiiic]

I've seen a couple of videos where the APX RDO cover plate screws were discussed. I may just be lucky, but I found "nearly impossible" to be "easy." Do not use anything but a 2mm hex bit for the screws and you should be fine. My guess is that people are trying to use a 1/16" bit and while it might seem like it will work if there is just a little too much thread locker or not enough downward pressure the screw can strip really easily. I usually clamp the slide to my bench before I try to move the screws and use as short a handle for the driver as possible.

I've had mine in and out of a kydex holster and the finish seems fine. The finish is more like a paint or Cerakote than the "A0" but I expect kydex to wear it over time so it doesn't matter to me.

Thanks for the tips. I'll do exactly that. I planned on using a heat gun on the slide to soften any thread locker that might be in there also. The rumor I heard was early production guns either had too much thread locker or "red" thread locker.

I'm glad the slide finish has held up. I don't mind scratches for a carry gun, it's more about preventing rust.

What optic did you choose? There's tons of options out there right now. This is my first RDO pistol, but I've shot a few examples.

[cyberiad]

Thanks for the tips. I'll do exactly that. I planned on using a heat gun on the slide to soften any thread locker that might be in there also. The rumor I heard was early production guns either had too much thread locker or "red" thread locker.

I'm glad the slide finish has held up. I don't mind scratches for a carry gun, it's more about preventing rust.

What optic did you choose? There's tons of options out there right now. This is my first RDO pistol, but I've shot a few examples.

I had a DPP laying around. I don't intend to carry the gun but I do shoot IDPA and 'outlaw' matches with it.

[trajiiic]

I was reading through the APX A0 and APX A1 manual. I was curious about the take down but stumbled across something interesting.

The APX A0 manual shows a nitride coating for the barrel and slide. The APX A1 shows a "painted" slide and a blued steel barrel. I'm not surprised that they had to cut costs somewhere to offer the new features of the A1 at the same price. The frame for both shows stainless steel, but the APX A0 has a black coating where the APX A1 doesn't.

The Glock Store isn't far from me. So, I'm considering doing some Cerakote work with them if the price is right. Rust hasn't been a big issue with my S&W Shield Gen 1, except for the magazine release spring. But I figure with the $200 Glock tax saved I can make it look nice. We'll see.

[JTQ]

I was curious about the take down ...
Some of the worst YouTube take down video's I've ever seen have been on the APX. There is no rhyme or reason to the order in which some of those take downs are accomplished.

I don't own an APX, and don't have an owners manual in front of me, but...

Remove the mag
Check the chamber is clear
Make sure the slide is forward
Release the striker tension - either the striker release button or just pull the trigger
Push the take down button and rotate the take down lever. The slide will come off.

The number of dudes that either lock the slide back and push the take down button and rotate the take down lever at that point, or those that are pushing the take down button, rotating the take down lever, and pulling the trigger all at the same time simply fascinates me. It's as if they are making up their own take down procedures to find the most difficult way to take the gun down.

I've mention this in the big APX thread, that some of those videos are so bad, I'd think Beretta would pay some of those dudes to take their video down.

[trajiiic]

Some of the worst YouTube take down video's I've ever seen have been on the APX. There is no rhyme or reason to the order in which some of those take downs are accomplished.



Yeah, I was surprised to see Beretta doesn't have a video on YouTube with how to do it. I watch about 3 videos, all showing different "techniques" (Yankee Marshal, bless his heart, took a punch to it lol) before I just decided to read the manual. The by-the-book method in the manual looks overly complicated. I'm heading to pick it up this weekend, I just didn't want to look like a fool inspecting it before accepting it from the FFL. I'll be using the method you outlined.

Is there a different APX thread on PF? I can start posting there instead.

[JTQ]

Here is the original APX thread https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?22141-Beretta-APX

[JTQ]

Yeah, I was surprised to see Beretta doesn't have a video on YouTube with how to do it.

They do


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wS8GPjkSotE

[JTQ]

I don't know this guy, and it's probably the only video of his I've seen, but if you want to take down an APX, follow this procedure.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0IjrvZ33ZA

[JTQ]

I probably shouldn't post this, but this is the worst, of many very bad, APX field strip video's I've seen. You can skip to the 7:35 mark to seem him try and field strip the APX. Mind you, this is apparently the third video he's produced in an attempt to take the APX down.

Don't take the gun down the way this guy does it. I don't own an APX, and I find this painful to watch.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dd3Lcegp8eA

[trajiiic]

I probably shouldn't post this, but this is the worst, of many very bad, APX field strip video's I've seen. You can skip to the 7:35 mark to seem him try and field strip the APX. Mind you, this is apparently the third video he's produced in an attempt to take the APX down.

Don't take the gun down the way this guy does it. I don't own an APX, and I find this painful to watch.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dd3Lcegp8eA

The way he's doing it is exactly what the manual says, lol. Slightly pull back on the slide, press the striker release button, push in the slide release button, and pivot down.

That being said, I'm just going with the way you and that other video did it; by pulling the trigger.

[trajiiic]

I will begin posting in the main thread, but I wanted to say that the optics screws came out just fine with a 2mm wrench. I did hit the top of the slide with a heat gun for about 2 min before I attempted to remove.

[JTQ]

The way he's doing it is exactly what the manual says, lol. Slightly pull back on the slide, press the striker release button, push in the slide release button, and pivot down.

That being said, I'm just going with the way you and that other video did it; by pulling the trigger.

Pull back the slide, press the striker release button, (I don't know if the owner's manual says this, but...) release the slide (the key thing he doesn't do), push the slide release button, rotate the take down lever.

He's also trying to drive the slide release lever out of the gun. Just press it, like a Beretta 92, and rotate the lever. Heck, I don't own a Beretta 92 either, and I can figure this stuff out. Mrgunsngear is another one. He's a guy I have a lot of respect for, and I'm pretty sure he know's his way around a Beretta 92, but he also locks the slide back and runs the take down procedure with the slide locked back. It's not a SIG, it's a Beretta. Don't lock the slide back.

[JTQ]

The striker release button is handy if you don't want to have to pull the trigger, but it's like a Glock, and I'm sure most folks can take down a Glock, and you can just pull the trigger to release the striker.

I'm sure all these folks with videos are Glock guys, and I wonder if they are retracting the slide, pulling the slide lock levers, and pulling the trigger to release the striker at the same time, when they field strip a Glock. I just don't understand where some of this stuff comes from.

[AdioSS]

I’m wondering if the plates designed for the A0 might work on the A1? My Combat came with multiple plates.

[Snidely Whiplash]

I’m considering one of the Beretta APX A1 Full Size handguns.
These are certainly priced right but there’s nowhere local to me that I can look one over before purchase.

I have a 92fs fits my hand better than any other handgun but it’s heavy for concealed carry.
Can anyone let me know how the grip on the APX A1 compares with a 92fs model?

[Noah]

I’m considering one of the Beretta APX A1 Full Size handguns.
These are certainly priced right but there’s nowhere local to me that I can look one over before purchase.

I have a 92fs fits my hand better than any other handgun but it’s heavy for concealed carry.
Can anyone let me know how the grip on the APX A1 compares with a 92fs model?

https://www.handgunhero.com/compare/beretta-92fs-vs-beretta-apx-a1

Play around with the link above.

If you want a lighter 92, look at a PX4!

[JTQ]

I’m considering one of the Beretta APX A1 Full Size handguns.
These are certainly priced right but there’s nowhere local to me that I can look one over before purchase.

I have a 92fs fits my hand better than any other handgun but it’s heavy for concealed carry.
Can anyone let me know how the grip on the APX A1 compares with a 92fs model?
I find the 92FS very big hand friendly. The APX guns, even with the medium backstrap, are small hand friendly.

[Snidely Whiplash]

Thanks Noah and JTQ

I guess I was hoping the APX A1 would be at least very similar to a striker fired polymer-lower Beretta 92fs and clearly it’s not. I appreciate your both taking the time to reply and help!

[Noah]

Thanks Noah and JTQ

I guess I was hoping the APX A1 would be at least very similar to a striker fired polymer-lower Beretta 92fs and clearly it’s not. I appreciate your both taking the time to reply and help!

A PX4 full size or compact with the larger 2 bsckstraps is much more 92 shaped, with a near identical trigger system.

[GJM]

https://youtu.be/uAr2yW-dvVw?si=3kvr8ysW-Olts8D0

[Noah]

Ben_G , any prayer of an LTT APX A1 in the future, or more aftermarket in general? A buddy of mine just got an APX A1 full size and asked me to put an ear to the ground...

[TeeBee]

My personal brand of ADHD is currently consumed by the APX A1. Does anyone know if the striker is partially or fully tensioned?

[Noah]

My personal brand of ADHD is currently consumed by the APX A1. Does anyone know if the striker is partially or fully tensioned?

Fully tensioned like most non Glock plastic fantastics

[LockedBreech]

I hopped on the tail end of Beretta’s APX rebate today. Got an APX A1 Optics-Ready Compact. Price including shipping and tax, after rebate, was $326.

I got my APX A0 for $324. Given that this one is optics ready, I think I did even better.


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[medmo]

Still waiting for an A1 Compact with a manual thumb safety option.

[Texaspoff]

I pretty much agree with the Humble Marksman video on the APX. I had one for a while, the original and it was an excellent shooter and really liked it overall. I had one when they were first released, and duty holster support at the time was sparce as well as getting magazines. I didn't keep it around because of that.

The A1 has some pretty solid enhancements over the original, and I'm not sure why more agencies didn't or haven't looked at them as a duty pistol. PD pricing is less than 400 on them as far as agency purchasing. Never even heard of an agency testing them.




TXPO

[KevH]

I pretty much agree with the Humble Marksman video on the APX. I had one for a while, the original and it was an excellent shooter and really liked it overall. I had one when they were first released, and duty holster support at the time was sparce as well as getting magazines. I didn't keep it around because of that.

The A1 has some pretty solid enhancements over the original, and I'm not sure why more agencies didn't or haven't looked at them as a duty pistol. PD pricing is less than 400 on them as far as agency purchasing. Never even heard of an agency testing them.




TXPO

Beretta's LE customer service has been..well...lackluster...for the last 25 years. They come out with good products, but you never really know who your rep is and they make ZERO effort to actually market to LE. I spoke to our rep at the IACP show back in October and it sounds like he basically is the only LE rep for the whole country. That's a problem. I'm interested in purchasing 30 1301's for the department. I gave him my contact info and to date have heard nothing from him.

We've probably been visited by S&W, Glock and SIG at least eight or nine times each in the last fifteen years. Hell, even H&K (who hates everyone) came and put on a demo at our range back in 2011. Nothing from Beretta. Zip. You're lucky if they return your phone call. They don't visit to sell their wares at the cop shops either. No effort.

The APXA1 is probably a really good gun, but it will never get off the ground until Beretta decides to give a hoot about LE sales again.

[Texaspoff]

Beretta's LE customer service has been..well...lackluster...for the last 25 years. They come out with good products, but you never really know who your rep is and they make ZERO effort to actually market to LE. I spoke to our rep at the IACP show back in October and it sounds like he basically is the only LE rep for the whole country. That's a problem. I'm interested in purchasing 30 1301's for the department. I gave him my contact info and to date have heard nothing from him.

We've probably been visited by S&W, Glock and SIG at least eight or nine times each in the last fifteen years. Hell, even H&K (who hates everyone) came and put on a demo at our range back in 2011. Nothing from Beretta. Zip. You're lucky if they return your phone call. They don't visit to sell their wares at the cop shops either. No effort.

The APXA1 is probably a really good gun, but it will never get off the ground until Beretta decides to give a hoot about LE sales again.

I agree completely. I reached out to them when I had my APX, in reference to LE purchasing and information so I could evaluate it, and I got the same response....zero.

It's a miracle they ever got the US contract with the 92 if their response was the same back then. They are a much different animal today I guess.



TXPO

[MrInox]

I pretty much agree with the Humble Marksman video on the APX. I had one for a while, the original and it was an excellent shooter and really liked it overall. I had one when they were first released, and duty holster support at the time was sparce as well as getting magazines. I didn't keep it around because of that.

The A1 has some pretty solid enhancements over the original, and I'm not sure why more agencies didn't or haven't looked at them as a duty pistol. PD pricing is less than 400 on them as far as agency purchasing. Never even heard of an agency testing them.




TXPO


Gallatin Tn PD (home of beretta USA now, not surprising)
Wetumpka Al PD
Glendale heights Il PD

[Crusader]

After owning mine for a year and wanting a OD green frame for it, Beretta finally released the A1 OD frames in the states. While they have been available almost from day one in Europe, only the A0 OD, FDE frames were stateside until recently.

https://i.postimg.cc/BQ9LBcFy/IMG-9191.jpg (https://postimg.cc/F1pH9SDg)

[medmo]

Has anyone tried this thumb safety kit from Beretta:

https://www.beretta.com/en-us/product/safety-assembly-on-frame-for-apx-full-size-E02588

It looks like it’s for only the M0 frame, maybe?

[Ben_G]

Beretta's LE customer service has been..well...lackluster...for the last 25 years. They come out with good products, but you never really know who your rep is and they make ZERO effort to actually market to LE. I spoke to our rep at the IACP show back in October and it sounds like he basically is the only LE rep for the whole country. That's a problem. I'm interested in purchasing 30 1301's for the department. I gave him my contact info and to date have heard nothing from him.

We've probably been visited by S&W, Glock and SIG at least eight or nine times each in the last fifteen years. Hell, even H&K (who hates everyone) came and put on a demo at our range back in 2011. Nothing from Beretta. Zip. You're lucky if they return your phone call. They don't visit to sell their wares at the cop shops either. No effort.

The APXA1 is probably a really good gun, but it will never get off the ground until Beretta decides to give a hoot about LE sales again.

Shoot me a PM with your contact and I'll see if we can't push those 1301s through the commercial team, or get it on the LE rep's boss's desk. They are a very thin bench right now, but big Beretta is relaxing some of the lane lines between the small LE team and our much larger commercial team.

[KevH]

Shoot me a PM with your contact and I'll see if we can't push those 1301s through the commercial team, or get it on the LE rep's boss's desk. They are a very thin bench right now, but big Beretta is relaxing some of the lane lines between the small LE team and our much larger commercial team.

PM sent. Thanks!

[LockedBreech]

I received and am favorably impressed by my A1 Compact (I do wish they still called it Centurion but I get wanting to be clear)

My main gripe with the A0 was the Toblarone slide, which I felt was fairly useless for purchase. The new serrations are really nice. Grabby and deep.

Shooting results will tell more, I have had some trouble shooting the A0 trigger well.


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[Crusader]

I’ve never fired an A0 before, but from what I read the improvement is there but slight. Performance striker spring and the trigger safety fits flush in the trigger when you press the trigger. The A1 trigger is ok to me, not bad and not great but more than good enough. There is something a little odd about it, can’t really put my finger on it (no pun ended) but I’m use to and like Glock triggers so it could just be me.

[Noah]

Ben_G

My shooting buddy has a brand new APXA1 he bought back in February or March.

Clean and lubed on his first range trip, it had 6+ failures to eject in 50 rounds of 115 brass factory ammo.
He is a good B class USPSA shooter, but he had me shoot some 124 through it to see if that worked.
PMC 124 cycled 2 handed, but would FTE every shot one handed. Norma 124 cycled one handed, but the slide was very soft.
There is no extra friction in the moving parts etc, but the recoil spring itself is extremely heavy compared to any other 9mm we have handled. The OEM 17lb Glock spring feels like a tuned gamer gun in comparison when hand cycling.
I really think the recoil spring on it is just way too heavy. Do you happen to know the factory spec?
Is this the spring in the A1? It mentions a heavier spring rate. https://www.beretta.com/en-us/product/competition-flat-recoil-unit-for-apx-fs-C8G251

Would an original spec APX (Pre A1) spring work? I think with a lighter spring it would run like a top.
https://www.beretta.com/en-us/product/apx-9mm-heavy-metallic-rsa-guide-rod-assembly-C8C680

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[EVP]

Did you try any Nato rounds or defensive stuff? One of my p30s would choke on weaker ammo until it had a few hundred rounds through it.


Maybe a week or so of racking the slide in dry fire?

[pangloss]

Did you try any Nato rounds or defensive stuff? One of my p30s would choke on weaker ammo until it had a few hundred rounds through it.


Maybe a week or so of racking the slide in dry fire?

This is a good suggestion. My standard protocol for new non-Glocks is to clean and lube the pistol prior to first shooting and to run a box or two of 124 gr NATO rounds through it. Having said that, it does sound like this Beretta may be over-sprung.

[Noah]

This is a good suggestion. My standard protocol for new non-Glocks is to clean and lube the pistol prior to first shooting and to run a box or two of 124 gr NATO rounds through it. Having said that, it does sound like this Beretta may be over-sprung.

EVP Yes that was the point- he’d tried 115, I tried PMC 124 and then Norma 124- Norma is a little hotter

[revchuck38]

Several years ago I ran a bunch of 124-grain ammo over my chronograph with my full-size PX4. Going from memory, PMC was the slowest, barely making it over 1,000 fps - I think the average velocity was 1002 fps. Most of the other standard pressure stuff ran ~1060-1110 fps, the NATO stuff ran 1160-1180 fps, and +P HST ran 1185 IIRC.

I have no experience with the APX series, just presenting this FYI.

[Noah]

Several years ago I ran a bunch of 124-grain ammo over my chronograph with my full-size PX4. Going from memory, PMC was the slowest, barely making it over 1,000 fps - I think the average velocity was 1002 fps. Most of the other standard pressure stuff ran ~1060-1110 fps, the NATO stuff ran 1160-1180 fps, and +P HST ran 1185 IIRC.

I have no experience with the APX series, just presenting this FYI.

Yes, that’s why I’m not surprised that the 115 failed 2 handed, PMC failed one handed but worked 2, and the Norma (1150 FPS) seemed to work with one hand.

[Noah]

Here is what he got from Beretta CS:

" The APX was designed to shoot 124 NATO and the gun doesn't have enough rounds through it to justify an issue so continue to shoot it and it will wear in "

[cyberiad]

Here is what he got from Beretta CS:

" The APX was designed to shoot 124 NATO and the gun doesn't have enough rounds through it to justify an issue so continue to shoot it and it will wear in "

In my experience with the "A0" and A1 this is true. I didn't keep my A1 long enough to really break it in but I had to put a relatively substantial number of rounds (I can't remember how many) through the factory spring on the A0 before it would shoot standard off-the-shelf 9mm. 99% of the ammo I usually shoot are reloads and like the APX so I decided to spend some more money and bought the Toni System guide rod and lighter recoil springs.

[Crusader]

Here is what he got from Beretta CS:

" The APX was designed to shoot 124 NATO and the gun doesn't have enough rounds through it to justify an issue so continue to shoot it and it will wear in "

My training rounds for the longest time were my reloads 124 plated round nose, that I loaded fairly hot to more match the recoil of my carry rounds. Besides the carry rounds I put through my A1 the first 1500 rounds consisted of these, never had a failure to include lots of strong hand and support hand only shooting. Recently started buying the A2 reloaded 115 for training, cost wise it’s not really worth reloading 9 when it’s on sale. I’ve put close to 500 rounds of it through the A1 and it has functioned without issue, it’s loaded fairly hot. I’ve always preferred 124 reliability wise in 9, I was Leary of the A2 115. But it has proved to run great in all my 9s.

I’m thinking that gun may be a lemon, first I’ve read of one with functioning problems.

[darsenalmex]

Here is what he got from Beretta CS:

" The APX was designed to shoot 124 NATO and the gun doesn't have enough rounds through it to justify an issue so continue to shoot it and it will wear in "

I also had two similar malfunctions with the APX. I’m starting to think, overseeing the issues others have had, that the spring is too strong (according to some sites, it is measured at 18lbs but feels heavier).

One fix is to just run them until the spring is weakened enough to be consistent, but I think a new recoil spring, perhaps the A0 version or an aftermarket one, would be the quickest answer to this. On a subreddit, the Galloway Precision recoil spring 15# gets a mention as a lighter spring that can run.

[Noah]

I also had two similar malfunctions with the APX. I’m starting to think, overseeing the issues others have had, that the spring is too strong (according to some sites, it is measured at 18lbs but feels heavier).

One fix is to just run them until the spring is weakened enough to be consistent, but I think a new recoil spring, perhaps the A0 version or an aftermarket one, would be the quickest answer to this. On a subreddit, the Galloway Precision recoil spring 15# gets a mention as a lighter spring that can run.

The spring definitely felt heavier than 18lbs. I think it was at least a 20.

I’m pretty sure the gun would have run fine with a lighter spring.

After the customer service didn’t impress him, my friend traded his APXA1 for a P10C.

[darsenalmex]

The spring definitely felt heavier than 18lbs. I think it was at least a 20.

I’m pretty sure the gun would have run fine with a lighter spring.

After the customer service didn’t impress him, my friend traded his APXA1 for a P10C.


I read in another thread that the standard weight is around 21 lbs. So it is really heavy. I think you're correct about the springs.

That sucks. I picked up an APX last week since I actually enjoy the gun. I did have two malfunctions, which I think I can pin down to the recoil spring itself. Other's experience has been different though of having no issues.

[JTQ]

I don't doubt it is over-sprung, but in context, there are a lot of reports on various forums of similar problems with other pistols such as Glock's, HK's, and 9mm 1911's. The common connection to all of these is cheap, lightweight (usually 115gr), training ammo. Defensive ammo in any weight is usually not a problem and usually just moving up in weight to 124gr or 147gr ammo, even in the same family and price point as the 115gr stuff that is causing problems fixes the issue.

I put some of the blame for these problems on the ammo makers that are turning out weak, under powered ammo.


Edit to add: Most of these issues with the 115gr ammo is limited to the first 200 - 300 rounds through the gun. Usually, after the guns have been shot a bit, they'll handle all the cheap/lightweight stuff just fine. It's just a problem with new/fresh recoil springs.

[darsenalmex]

I don't doubt it is over-sprung, but in context, there are a lot of reports on various forums of similar problems with other pistols such as Glock's, HK's, and 9mm 1911's. The common connection to all of these is cheap, lightweight (usually 115gr), training ammo. Defensive ammo in any weight is usually not a problem and usually just moving up in weight to 124gr or 147gr ammo, even in the same family and price point as the 115gr stuff that is causing problems fixes the issue.

I put some of the blame for these problems on the ammo makers that are turning out weak, under powered ammo.


Edit to add: Most of these issues with the 115gr ammo is limited to the first 200 - 300 rounds through the gun. Usually, after the guns have been shot a bit, they'll handle all the cheap/lightweight stuff just fine. It's just a problem with new/fresh recoil springs.


Perhaps so, but this problem has been repeatable with the APX A1 from reviewers and commentators. What I have done is ordered an A0 recoil spring (which was one the major changes Beretta made from the A0 to the A1). Since technically, the A0 spring was the one that passed all the military trials, and is a bit lighter than the standard weight of the A1 recoil spring, I predict it will much more reliable.

[JTQ]

Perhaps so, but this problem has been repeatable with the APX A1 from reviewers and commentators. What I have done is ordered an A0 recoil spring (which was one the major changes Beretta made from the A0 to the A1). Since technically, the A0 spring was the one that passed all the military trials, and is a bit lighter than the standard weight of the A1 recoil spring, I predict it will much more reliable.
Perhaps

Here is Sootch00 with the original APX. Note where the cases are going. They are barely getting out of the ejection port.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDm6tcvn4_M

Here he is with the APX 01 and note where the cases are going. They are ejecting with more authority.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XK5YAyCkkiQ

I don't know why the ejection patterns are so different.

[cyberiad]

Perhaps so, but this problem has been repeatable with the APX A1 from reviewers and commentators. What I have done is ordered an A0 recoil spring (which was one the major changes Beretta made from the A0 to the A1). Since technically, the A0 spring was the one that passed all the military trials, and is a bit lighter than the standard weight of the A1 recoil spring, I predict it will much more reliable.

Is the A0 recoil spring lighter? I don't have an A1 anymore but the A1 spring seemed lighter to me than the A0, which I still have. I don't have any way to measure them though and I don't know if Beretta publishes the weights.

[darsenalmex]

Is the A0 recoil spring lighter? I don't have an A1 anymore but the A1 spring seemed lighter to me than the A0, which I still have. I don't have any way to measure them though and I don't know if Beretta publishes the weights.

Well for the full size. It does seem so. I replaced the A1 recoil spring with an A0 heavy guide rod recoil spring. The spring is both lighter and the little that I've shot, has had no issues like the two I had with the A1 spring.

[medmo]

After picking up a few kayak items at Cabelas in Buda, TX, I swung by the gun counter and saw an APX A1 Compact/Centurion for $399 with a $100 rebate. I’ve been interested in this pistol but prefer my striker fired pistols with either an SCD or a manual thumb safety. I’ve been waiting for Beretta to update this pistol with a manual thumb safety like the MHS version before picking one up and exploring it. At $299 after rebate I bought one out of curiosity even though there is no SCD or manual thumb safety so no AIWB for me.

As soon as I got home I ran it with 3 mags of Blazer Brass 115gr and 1 mag of 147 Win Defender.

Immediate thoughts: WTF? Why is this not a very popular pistol? Textured everywhere, index neutral, trigger damn good compared to most on the market, excellent sights - blacked out rear with red fiber optics front, optics ready, mag release is extended easy reach without breaking grip and ambi controls.

B8 target, everything in the black, Blazer Brass 115gr spot on and 147gr Win Defender about 2” low. These first few mags felt like this pistol wants to run fast after singles watching sights then shooting doubles. I need to run some drills with the PACT. Also, need to order a plate and get a dot.

A few things noted on the trigger. The blade is gentle and disappears smoothly in a comfy manner. It is a very wide trigger which reminded me of old school trigger shoes mounted on pistols and revolvers way back in the day. The concept is a wider trigger equals less felt pressure making the feel of a trigger press less. It works on this pistol.

I ordered a plate earlier today to put a dot on it and will run it through the paces and am looking forward to running it further with a dot.

[Bucky]

Immediate thoughts: WTF? Why is this not a very popular pistol? Textured everywhere, index neutral, trigger damn good compared to most on the market, excellent sights - blacked out rear with red fiber optics front, optics ready, mag release is extended easy reach without breaking grip and ambi controls.
.

Let’s just say, Beretta is a bit weak on the marketing side. Had it not been our military’s side arm, or movies like Die Hard and Lethal Weapon, who knows what kind of footprint they would have in the USA.

[Polecat]

The APX is a hog, slide is the size of an aircraft carrier. They just need to start over.

[HeavyDuty]

After picking up a few kayak items at Cabelas in Buda, TX, I swung by the gun counter and saw an APX A1 Compact/Centurion for $399 with a $100 rebate. I’ve been interested in this pistol but prefer my striker fired pistols with either an SCD or a manual thumb safety. I’ve been waiting for Beretta to update this pistol with a manual thumb safety like the MHS version before picking one up and exploring it. At $299 after rebate I bought one out of curiosity even though there is no SCD or manual thumb safety so no AIWB for me.

As soon as I got home I ran it with 3 mags of Blazer Brass 115gr and 1 mag of 147 Win Defender.

Immediate thoughts: WTF? Why is this not a very popular pistol? Textured everywhere, index neutral, trigger damn good compared to most on the market, excellent sights - blacked out rear with red fiber optics front, optics ready, mag release is extended easy reach without breaking grip and ambi controls.

B8 target, everything in the black, Blazer Brass 115gr spot on and 147gr Win Defender about 2” low. These first few mags felt like this pistol wants to run fast after singles watching sights then shooting doubles. I need to run some drills with the PACT. Also, need to order a plate and get a dot.

A few things noted on the trigger. The blade is gentle and disappears smoothly in a comfy manner. It is a very wide trigger which reminded me of old school trigger shoes mounted on pistols and revolvers way back in the day. The concept is a wider trigger equals less felt pressure making the feel of a trigger press less. It works on this pistol.

I ordered a plate earlier today to put a dot on it and will run it through the paces and am looking forward to running it further with a dot.
Interesting. We will be there Labor Day, the wife wants a range bag. She’s been making noise about a defensive pistol of her own, I’ll point it out to her.

[medmo]

The APX is a hog, slide is the size of an aircraft carrier. They just need to start over.

I don’t know about that. It fits fine in both of my SIG M18 holsters. It looks similar sized as the M18 slide.

Side by side, I prefer the ergos of the APX and the trigger over the M18.

[medmo]

Took it on the road with me, enjoyed some nostalgia, ran it at Ben Avery. 100 Norma 124gr ball, 50 115gr Blazer Brass. Flawless so far and definitely likes to run fast. Looking forward to the dot and measuring splits. Again, no clue why this pistol is totally losing the popularity contest. Definitely factory ranged for 124gr projectiles. Norma ball and SIG vcrowns are spot on at 10 yards with factory sights.

[pangloss]

After picking up a few kayak items at Cabelas in Buda, TX, I swung by the gun counter and saw an APX A1 Compact/Centurion for $399 with a $100 rebate. I’ve been interested in this pistol but prefer my striker fired pistols with either an SCD or a manual thumb safety. I’ve been waiting for Beretta to update this pistol with a manual thumb safety like the MHS version before picking one up and exploring it. At $299 after rebate I bought one out of curiosity even though there is no SCD or manual thumb safety so no AIWB for me.

As soon as I got home I ran it with 3 mags of Blazer Brass 115gr and 1 mag of 147 Win Defender.

Immediate thoughts: WTF? Why is this not a very popular pistol? Textured everywhere, index neutral, trigger damn good compared to most on the market, excellent sights - blacked out rear with red fiber optics front, optics ready, mag release is extended easy reach without breaking grip and ambi controls.

B8 target, everything in the black, Blazer Brass 115gr spot on and 147gr Win Defender about 2” low. These first few mags felt like this pistol wants to run fast after singles watching sights then shooting doubles. I need to run some drills with the PACT. Also, need to order a plate and get a dot.

A few things noted on the trigger. The blade is gentle and disappears smoothly in a comfy manner. It is a very wide trigger which reminded me of old school trigger shoes mounted on pistols and revolvers way back in the day. The concept is a wider trigger equals less felt pressure making the feel of a trigger press less. It works on this pistol.

I ordered a plate earlier today to put a dot on it and will run it through the paces and am looking forward to running it further with a dot.

I think you just convinced me to buy a new pistol. I have one of the gen 1 APX Centurions. I really like the pistol, but I don't shoot it much because it doesn't do anything for me that my G19 doesn't do. However, the Bass Pro sale in combination with our second amendment tax free weekend which starts tomorrow in combination with the rebate makes it pretty irresistible. I'd been thinking about getting one of my Glocks milled for a red dot, but I could use this APX to test the red dot waters again.

[medmo]

I think you just convinced me to buy a new pistol. I have one of the gen 1 APX Centurions. I really like the pistol, but I don't shoot it much because it doesn't do anything for me that my G19 doesn't do. However, the Bass Pro sale in combination with our second amendment tax free weekend which starts tomorrow in combination with the rebate makes it pretty irresistible. I'd been thinking about getting one of my Glocks milled for a red dot, but I could use this APX to test the red dot waters again.

The last thing I’d want to do is steer anyone wrong but based on my sample it freakin rocks. $299 after rebate? Damn crazy. Also, check out the video by James at TFB reviewing the platform at the factory. It’s been vetted. I have no experience with the A0 so I can’t compare but this A1 I have wants to go. Love my G19 G5 with Apex duty trigger but my sample of APX A1 is better. I think the blade design and width make a difference. And ergos, texture, factory sights, neutral grip angle, etc.

[medmo]

Ran another 150 Blazer Brass 115gr putting the total round count to around 350. Still flawless. Waiting on the plate so I can dot it. Found this review video from TheHumbleMarksman that pretty much sums up my experience so far:

https://youtu.be/uAr2yW-dvVw?si=0Z1Q_sh8PgdBNySF

[HeavyDuty]

I hope Buda still has these, I’d like her to handle one today. She has her heart set on a SIG P320 DH3, though which would make a shit carry pistol lol.

[medmo]

I hope Buda still has these, I’d like her to handle one today. She has her heart set on a SIG P320 DH3, though which would make a shit carry pistol lol.

Best of luck! I’ve noted the same with this one that online reviewers have mentioned about the typical SFA trigger break in. This trigger went from damn acceptable to pretty freakin sweet after some dry/live fire break in. Very light take up, almost zero creep prior to break and the reset improved a lot. It feels like it’s dropped maybe 1lb. 4.5lb would be my guess-timate.

[HeavyDuty]

They did have one, but it didn’t flip her switch.

[pangloss]

I think you just convinced me to buy a new pistol. I have one of the gen 1 APX Centurions. I really like the pistol, but I don't shoot it much because it doesn't do anything for me that my G19 doesn't do. However, the Bass Pro sale in combination with our second amendment tax free weekend which starts tomorrow in combination with the rebate makes it pretty irresistible. I'd been thinking about getting one of my Glocks milled for a red dot, but I could use this APX to test the red dot waters again.

It was tough, but I did not buy one. I've got maybe 700 rounds though my APX with no problems. I know they are good pistols, but I don't have time/money to shoot all the good pistols I already own. It's been over a year since I shot the one I have. Makes more sense to me to spend that money on ammo or another pistol class. Having said that, I enjoy hearing about new pistols other folks are buying and will continue to happily be an enabler!

[medmo]

They did have one, but it didn’t flip her switch.

Curious, did she prefer the grip of the SIG 320?

[medmo]

It was tough, but I did not buy one. I've got maybe 700 rounds though my APX with no problems. I know they are good pistols, but I don't have time/money to shoot all the good pistols I already own. It's been over a year since I shot the one I have. Makes more sense to me to spend that money on ammo or another pistol class. Having said that, I enjoy hearing about new pistols other folks are buying and will continue to happily be an enabler!

Agreed! Training, practice and instruction are a much better choice towards achieving excellence in pistol shooting versus swapping hardware and hoping it helps. Enjoy the travels of being a student of the pistol!

[HeavyDuty]

Curious, did she prefer the grip of the SIG 320?

She does. She especially didn’t like the heel bump on the Beretta. I also put a P365 AXG in her hand, and she liked that.

We’re still at the shoe trying part of the process.

[LockedBreech]

It was tough, but I did not buy one. I've got maybe 700 rounds though my APX with no problems. I know they are good pistols, but I don't have time/money to shoot all the good pistols I already own. It's been over a year since I shot the one I have. Makes more sense to me to spend that money on ammo or another pistol class. Having said that, I enjoy hearing about new pistols other folks are buying and will continue to happily be an enabler!

I'll always be thankful to P-F for encouraging me to adopt the 80-20 rule. Basically hey, if you like to collect guns (which I really do just enjoy for its own sake) that's cool, but your core defense/carry guns shouldn't change much and they should be 80% of your practice.

That system has worked quite well for me. Every range session I spend 80-90% of my time practicing on my practical use guns which all have the same manual of arms (striker, no safety). Then I bring along one fun outlier like a 92 or a CZ-75 to shoot somewhere in the middle of the session. Keeps me competent and familiar with my serious stuff, but the fun stuff gets a day out now and again.

Regarding the APX A1 Compact (the artist formerly known as Centurion) I am frustrated because I really like the dang thing, but I have not found a serious place for it. My carry options in ascending size order are LCP Max for Pocket/NPE and then M&P9 Shield Plus / CZ P-10S / Glock 19 with TLR-7, all for IWB. Theoretically it could slot in between the P-10S and G19, but practically I am not going to go to the trouble of setting up a holster/carriers and practicing with a fifth carry option that is barely distinguishable. Frankly, I think I'm already pushing it with four.

Beretta frustrates. It's a great brand that makes great guns, but they were far too slow to the market. If the APX A1 had come out in the 2012-2015 range it would be dominating.

[pangloss]

I'll always be thankful to P-F for encouraging me to adopt the 80-20 rule. Basically hey, if you like to collect guns (which I really do just enjoy for its own sake) that's cool, but your core defense/carry guns shouldn't change much and they should be 80% of your practice.

That system has worked quite well for me. Every range session I spend 80-90% of my time practicing on my practical use guns which all have the same manual of arms (striker, no safety). Then I bring along one fun outlier like a 92 or a CZ-75 to shoot somewhere in the middle of the session. Keeps me competent and familiar with my serious stuff, but the fun stuff gets a day out now and again.

Regarding the APX A1 Compact (the artist formerly known as Centurion) I am frustrated because I really like the dang thing, but I have not found a serious place for it. My carry options in ascending size order are LCP Max for Pocket/NPE and then M&P9 Shield Plus / CZ P-10S / Glock 19 with TLR-7, all for IWB. Theoretically it could slot in between the P-10S and G19, but practically I am not going to go to the trouble of setting up a holster/carriers and practicing with a fifth carry option that is barely distinguishable. Frankly, I think I'm already pushing it with four.

Beretta frustrates. It's a great brand that makes great guns, but they were far too slow to the market. If the APX A1 had come out in the 2012-2015 range it would be dominating.

Somehow I missed the 80-20 rule. I meticulously track rounds fired for all pistols, and my lifetime number is 75% Glock, so I guess I'm doing pretty well given that Glock 43/26/19 are the pistols I carry. Getting back to the APX. If all the Glocks in the world disappeared and were magically replaced by APXs, I think we'd all be okay. In some ways the smaller aftermarket universe of the APX gives it an attractive simplicity. The APX Centurion with the grip module for the 12-round mags is a great carry option. The grip about a like a G26 with the +2 mags but with a little bit longer slide. I have the same model JMCK holster for it as for my G19s, but I've never carried it except at the range. All this to say, I think your right in resisting it. Based on what you have, I don't think it'd be any benefit.

[medmo]

I enjoy testing and running new platforms but my EDC hasn’t changed for years. It’s a TDA PX4 CC with LTT innards. That’s my high scoring drill running pistol. That doesn’t mean I don’t enjoy running and testing new or other platforms and ideas. I’m a student of the pistol.

Now back to the APX A1 Compact. I’m running it faster with the Bill Drill and First Shot out of Holster into a B8 compared to everything besides my custom PX4CC. Including my G19 G5 with a duty Apex trigger and 92x with LTT innards and a 13lb hammer spring which both just gor shoved down a place. It’s damn sweet. A couple ten seconds probably doesn’t make much a difference in the real world. For $299 with the $100 rebate. This is one fine pistol.

[pangloss]

medmo, Beretta has a great sale running on mags this weekend. I just ordered three 15-round APX Centurion mags for $59.05. The little 13-round mags were $16.32 each.