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MTechnik
03-23-2011, 08:42 PM
First, a little background. This is my first shooting training. I have had a bit of coaching from friends, did a Utah CCW course, but I wanted to improve. I have watched the Magpul Pistol DVDs so that is about the only context I have to compare at the moment.



Sign-up for the class was problematic, but went well. Due to my config of Firefox, adblock, greasemonkey, etc. when I finished the registration form, I got an error. That's ok, because about 10 minutes later (and this was at 2am Saturday night) I get an email from someone at DAT telling me they received my registration, and we began a short email conversation making sure the registration was taken care of. The customer service was excellent.

I want to get one bit out of the way first - These guys are SWAT officers for Lancaster PA. They have begun opening their training to civilians recently. But beginning with the initial introduction, there we a few jokes about cops. It didn't feel "cop'ish." The only time it came up was during the discussion about "what do you say after a shooting" and that was just because they wanted to be fair. And at that point it was used as a disclaimer to their viewpoint, and they presented the other side of the coin as well (don't say anything.) Otherwise they referenced some incidents they had in the past (which is why you WANT that experience from your instructor) but it wasn't a "theme" to the training.

Our class had 15 students. On day 1 we had the lead instructor, and two assistants. On day 2 we lost an assistant - which was fine, because the drills changed, and with the size of the range, we'd break in to smaller groups for drills - the other assistant woulda been standing around, idle.

Next, lets talk about the facilities at Palmyra Sports Assoc(?) - They were great. We were in a deep 3-sided shale pit for 95% of the class. It allowed us to do some drills where there was shooting past the forward 90 degrees. This is a dedicated range for the Lancaster police at the facility. The place had 3 separate other pistol pits, a variety of rifle and carbine ranges of different ranges. There is a porta-potty near the parking area by the range, and full set of men and womens bathrooms at the clubhouse. There weren'y any timed targets, or moving targets built in, but they compensated for the moving targets with their own.

Arriving at the class at 8AM, everyone was present, and the introduction was started. After the basic oral CV, they talked about the teaching style. They will show you what they teach. They will explain WHY they teach it, what the theory behind it is. They ask you to try it once, and that's it. It you still want to do it the old way, feel free. Next was the initial safety briefing. That 45 minute period was the only time spent in a room, seated. Everything else was at the range. We didn't have a range safety powerpoint with nifty videos. But we've all seen those videos. They did really stress the 4 rules of safety. They talked about the syllabus, and what we should expect out of the class. They went over the range commands, and stressed that ANYONE can call a Range Clear at ANY TIME for ANY REASON. Also, it was at this point that they mentioned that all drills would be done from a high ready. I wish I'd gotten more work on drawing, but it did keep the class moving at a quick pace. You'd still holster carefully between drills, but before the next drill, you'd unholster and bring the pistol back to a high ready. They focus on the draw in their Concealed Carry course.

A big theme throughout the class was in working with natural body movement during stress. And knowing where natural reactions can work against you - like tunnelvision - and methods to regain the perception lost.

We headed down to the range, where there were some reloading tables, and a set of targets set up at the one end. Each shooting lane (8 total) had an upright target stand, a target stand with a modified IDPA or IPSC target with a t-shirt over it, then a 12" steel plate on a stand. Down the side of the range were cones marking off 25, 15, 10, 7, 5, 3 yards.
Here is a pic where you can see the target setup:
http://i.imgur.com/byuNA.jpg

When we got to the range we got a good talk about how our target isn't "center mass" (the crotch) or "center of mass", but the upper thoracic area. The big keystone looking area here:
http://i.imgur.com/nXrzX.jpg
Normally that target was covered by a t-shirt. The change of target 'center' and target style was quite a departure for me, but it really gets the point across. And it is something I can do when I go to my range to keep that point of aim with an old t-shirt. I found under stress I'd fall back in to shooting that center of the shirt - the old center mass - so this is something I really need to work on.

We were split in to two groups, 8 and 7. We'd shoot in two relays - one reloading while other shot. We'd get drill instruction in our sub-groups, but for the lessons/demos, everyone came in together.

We opened up shooting with their qualifier in a simplified fashion - you're not shooting around barricades or while moving yet. But you are shooting at that t-shirt target from 25 yards then further in as it progresses. Lifting that shirt at the end and seeing what you did is great feedback. There are two head shots in the drill, but they are used to slow the shooter down - not because they want you to focus there normally.

Then the rest of the first half of the first day was devoted to fundamentals - grip, trigger control, etc. As well as the opening focus on what is a radical change for me - the upper thoracic area as the target. I'd kept shooting "center of mass" and at the middle of the upper body. Pretty much the solar plexus or a bit below. Well, we really need to be aiming at the upper chest, where the good bits are. And then if you pull your shot, then you end up at center mass.

The first morning was closed out with a little competition shooting the steel, people eliminated as they missed, moving back.

We had an hour for lunch, then came back. The relays were swapped so the first shooters earlier had a chance to see the drills before running them, and the other group got to shoot first, then reload relaxedly. Next we worked on reloads (magpul style, up in the workspace, make sure you look at the mag well as you insert the magazine), learning how slow and awkward a tactical reload is, which was exhibited by their '7-1-7' drill. Shoot 7 shots from 7 yards to slidelock reload, shoot one, tac reload, fire 7 more.

After that we worked on pivoting and shooting. First learning the Sul position (exhibited elsewhere here - http://www.wtactraining.com/sul%201.jpg ) - your support hand across your chest, (trigger finger straight, naturally), and your pistol pointing down, your middle finger on your shooting hand indexed to your index finger on your support hand. This was the position we'd assume before turning sideways. And all pivot turns were taken before bringing the gun up from that position. We did a 'clock drill' where you stood in each position in the clock and pivot to shoot the steel. When you were shooting from 9-3, you'd just twist at head then the waist, otherwise you move your head then your feet.

After that we got in to some short movements. Where we were taking a step and firing.

We also covered the scanning process after shooting. The steps to bring yourself through to open up perception after tunnelvision sets in, checking down at the target, up, then out and around, and back in to yourself.

That covered the first day, having shot 500 rounds. I felt it was a great day. I went home and my feet were hurting, and I fell asleep early and slept like a rock.

Next day everyone was in on time (a miracle!) and we started with some static shooting at the target to bring back the fundamentals. Remember that during all these drills the focus needs to be on grip and trigger control. Then we worked on making small movements while shooting. Our sub-groups were split up again. The 8 became four - two students per instructor, as we walked and shot at the target before us - switching targets naturally, and shooting as we walked. The big focus was on "pay attention to what happens above the waist, let your muscle memory work what happens below" - don't preoccupy yourself with not crossing your feet. The 20-30-50 years of training you have walking will take care of that part by itself. And magically, nobody fell. There was one person who tried to shuffle-step, but as soon as he had a little stress, that was lost and he walked like the rest.

Here are a set of shots of them walking three students (the last part of the 7-person group) through moving and shooting:
http://i.imgur.com/JvtzC.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/4Hq5b.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/HLJ8f.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/sDHjw.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/0pfsV.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/1RvFp.jpg

MTechnik
03-23-2011, 08:44 PM
Next we did a barrel weave drill one at a time. For this you had to weave through the barrels, and put one shot on each steel as you went past.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMu8bLZu4yM


After that, the figure-8, against a static target. The barrels were set up one in front of the other, and in groups of 4, we'd work in a figure 8 pattern around our two barrels, when the instructor yelled "threat" we'd shoot 4-8 shots on the target while moving, and reload while moving. The real trick is they'd move the rear barrel on us. So you had to peek back occasionally while keeping the gun downrange. A nice simulation of moving around a living room. Here's a shot of one of the folks going through it:
http://i.imgur.com/byuNA.jpg

Next we got in to talking about getting in to kneeling, squatting, prone, supine. We did a few shots from each. And we talked about shooting around barricades, and how you can position your body better for leans. Also talked about never poking your head out over the barricade if there is a route around the side. They emphasized no switching of hands when shooting around barricades. On your weak side it was more of a bend above the waist, for the strong side it was a lean at the knee and hip.

Here is Phil running through them:
http://i.imgur.com/Yc5Lj.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/lPxm9.jpg
And some students:
http://i.imgur.com/DgJ9S.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/a5qPA.jpg

Then the broke out the racing tree to add a little stress and show the balance between speed and accuracy. And to have fun over lunch, which was next.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zjKK8oWQgo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDKhoCqrl24

Those who brought lots of extra ammo were able to burn it off over lunch.

Over lunch they set up the homemade moving portion of the class. Here is the dolly:
http://i.imgur.com/nP2VX.jpg
which they were able to make go back and forth with ropes run around buckets, which they did. At first just moving behind some barricades:
http://i.imgur.com/LIciX.jpg

After some work there, they changed it up and made pairs of students shoot while doing the figure 8 drill:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sgf5reVPJ5g
You fired 4 shots when they called 'threat' (if you could get a clean shot).

MTechnik
03-23-2011, 08:45 PM
Here are a couple of panorama shots of the figure 8 drill with the moving target - (two shooters, one dolly/target - because it is a stitched together shot, some moving elements get repeated sometimes)
http://i.imgur.com/zlKgq.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/4jxn4.jpg


Next the field changed a bit. Now they took a new invention - the dropping IPSC target - you can see one here on the ground next to the toolbox -
http://i.imgur.com/SMpnt.jpg
They put a balloon in the middle of it, and then put that over the stick on the dolly, and pulled it towards you. At first it was with the shooter standing still:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16sYdBNcUT4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEJCz4kwWCk


Then the shooter moving laterally/diagonally (not away) to the target:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jx-vMlAyNq0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rG3a6fkGoi8
(note the instructor is ON YOU the entire time, making sure you don't go past a 135 degree arc forward, physically holding a couple of arms at times - also this is NOT a drill for you and a friend to run at the range.)

They brought things together with a course of fire culminating in a race at the tree. First you had to make 4 hits on steel from 20 yards from kneeling left/right next to a barrel, both sides, and standing around a barricade, left/right. After that you had to put two shots in to each of two close-range modified IPSC targets in the upper thoracic area while moving (or you had to move back, still shooting, and get those hits,) then getting to the tree and flipping it for the win.

Here is a vid of a run:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykiXii5K3no

And from the other side:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqytAib1YzQ


After that, we did another shot at the opening qualifier. Again against the t-shirt with the modified IPSC target. It was:
Starting with 3 magazines loaded for 10, then 5, then 10 rounds, used in that order.

25 yards - 4 rounds from each standing and kneeling
15 yards - 2 rounds in 5 sec
10 yards - 4 rounds to upper thoracic - reload - 1 round to head
7 yards - 2 rounds in 2 sec
7 yards - 2 rounds, reload, fire 2
7 yards - 2 rounds, strong hand only
7 yards - 2 rounds, weak hand only
7 yards to 3 yards - 3 to the body, 1 to the head, all while moving

After shooting 800-1000 rounds in two days, I was thinking I'd be getting a little weary, but I did great in the final qualifier. The drills and coaching over the weekend did great things for improving what it looked like under that shirt.

Thanks to the class going smoother than expected, after that we were able to work on some one-handed shooting skills, which are from their "Grounded and Wounded" class and the basic fundamentals. This is where I learned that a slight natural cant on a straightened arm isn't bad.

After that was the ever-fun brass cleanup and final wrap-up. Here they said they want you to come back to them for other classes. But they want you to go take other classes elsewhere too. Watch out for the "guru mentality" that ONE instructor has all the answers for YOU. Study different places, different thoughts, evaluate them all.

Three things I want to touch on:

1 - the instructors were great. The individual coaching was AWESOME. Whether it was "bring your gun up more when you reload" or "your form is good here, but you're not looking at your gun when you reload. When you're in a fight and fine motor skills fail, you want to be in the habit of looking briefly at the magazine and magazine well as you reload" or coaching someone on their low grip, or falling back to old patterns during drills under stress when we don't realize it. That constant reinforcement and gentle correction is invaluable.

2 - The entire time I felt safe under their guidance. Where a drill had a chance of a shooter turning the wrong way, they'd reduce the number of people running, and they'd glue an instructor to you.

3 - the other people in the class were also great. I think 1/3 had taken previous classes with DAT and were well versed in their procedures. It was rare and brief that a course of fire was held for an unprepared student. I only saw one extra safety counseling that was needed. The great class kept things moving, and were awesome to work with.

If I had any critiques:
- they mentioned on day 1 that some drills would culminate with a 911 call - it didn't
- they said they'd call "challenge" (meaning yell "stop mrrrferrr!") in stead of "threat!" (shoot) more on the 2nd day - it didn't happen as often
- on day 1 the focus seemed more on speed than accuracy, but in the beginning of day 2 they really hammered accuracy and fundamentals from day1
- near the end of day 1 they said we'd do some ball and dummy drills, but those weren't done, it would have been nice

In closing, the class was great. Phil (the lead instructor) and his assistant were great. They kept class moving, and safe, yet allowed plenty of breaks to reload and irrgate some PA hillside. The spirit of the class was light and the pace moved along very well. My abilities and skills improved considerably, and I walked away with a lot of good knowledge and some good tools to build on my skills.

(I think the images and all are working, I'm sure edits will come)