EDC ideas for places where everything is illegal

[pastaslinger]

Long story short, I am going to have to spend some time in NYC for my job in the next few years and won't be able to carry a firearm when I'm there. My next go to would be a knife, but NYC knife laws are intentionally ambiguous to screw over people at will, plus knives are flat out banned in the subway which is necessary for travel anyways.

My thoughts are a high output flashlight and pepper spray (but even the pepper spray sounds annoying). I was thinking of a cloud defensive mch and putting the rein 1.0 head on it because it has crenulations. Any other thoughts?

[GearFondler]

I wouldn't carry anything that involves a pocket clip showing on a pocket, even if it's just a flashlight... No need to give anyone probable cause.

[pastaslinger]

I wouldn't carry anything that involves a pocket clip showing on a pocket, even if it's just a flashlight... No need to give anyone probable cause.

Yeah I am used to clipping knives inwardly to my boxers rather than the pants and would probably do that with a light

[Clusterfrack]

My #1 EDC regardless of location is a flashlight in my back pocket. It's obviously a flashlight, not a knife. If I'm relying on it as a primary self-defense tool, I bring the longer 2x CR123 size body.

Here's an interesting belt that a friend in EP (exec protection) turned me on to:
https://lenwood.com/shop/belts/bft/

[Totem Polar]

That’s a tough one. The only advice that I can comfortably offer up on a public forum is to think about improvised weapons—especially impact. To some extent, CF’s light and belt fit the mold, but the idea is everyday items that can also multiply force and be accessed under extreme time constraints. JMO.

[Whirlwind06]

A Philips screwdriver is always handy and easy to ditch if need be.

[Joe in PNG]

An umbrella is a solid choice, and I doubt one can be faulted for going with an unbreakable one.

[03RN]

Work on your posture, your awareness, your phisical fitness, and your hand to hand abilities.

Look like a Lion.

[Hot Sauce]

My thoughts are a high output flashlight and pepper spray (but even the pepper spray sounds annoying).

POM is unobtrusive.

The spice must flow.

P.S. Don't do any kind of screwdriver with a plan to ditch bullshit. Not sure if that was in jest, but just say no.

[curious]

one of the reasons i keep/take a walking cane w/me when i go to no-SD handgun locales...strictly to assist with my 'walking problems' of course!

just saying...

[HeavyDuty]

Yeah I am used to clipping knives inwardly to my boxers rather than the pants and would probably do that with a light

Good way to keep guys from asking to borrow your knife.

[pastaslinger]

My #1 EDC regardless of location is a flashlight in my back pocket. It's obviously a flashlight, not a knife. If I'm relying on it as a primary self-defense tool, I bring the longer 2x CR123 size body.

Here's an interesting belt that a friend in EP (exec protection) turned me on to:
https://lenwood.com/shop/belts/bft/

This is the type of thing/idea I'm interested in, thank you!


A Philips screwdriver is always handy and easy to ditch if need be.


POM is unobtrusive.

The spice must flow.

P.S. Don't do any kind of screwdriver with a plan to ditch bullshit. Not sure if that was in jest, but just say no.

Several female friends have actually carried sharpened flat head screwdrivers in their purses over the years. I thought it was a joke until one of them showed me.


Work on your posture, your awareness, your phisical fitness, and your hand to hand abilities.

Look like a Lion.

Yeah I do plan on taking up BJJ again, it's been a while and I'll have time that would've gone towards the range for martial arts again. And as I'm getting older I'd like to shift away from trying to powerlift...

[rob_s]

I know there are a lot of pens sold with the intent of being strong enough to stab with. I figure my Mont Blanc would work almost as well, but might think about something more purpose-built.

Remember that your best defense is to avoid doing stupid shit with stupid people in stupid places. Once you cross all of those out, the murder rate in the US is pretty much statistically insignificant.

Also remember that nearly 9 million people go un-murdered in NYC every year!
(8,804,190 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City)-318 (https://www1.nyc.gov/site/nypd/news/pr0106/overall-crime-new-york-city-hits-record-low-2019))

[luckyman]

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Several female friends have actually carried sharpened flat head screwdrivers in their purses over the years. I thought it was a joke until one of them showed me.



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IMO Any California-type place that cares about carrying a knife is also going to come down hard on carrying a sharpened screwdriver. I like the pom, flashlight, and cane/umbrella ideas.

[JHC]

When I had to fly after Zero knife 9/11 stuff I carried an autographed baseball from the kiddos from back in the day as a reinforced palm strike.

Cane/stick?

But pepper spray is the probably the smart play. That and a baseball. ;)

I may visit there this Fall and it'd be pepper spray and a MagLite I suspect. And a baseball.

[Lester Polfus]

A Philips screwdriver is always handy and easy to ditch if need be.


POM is unobtrusive.

The spice must flow.

P.S. Don't do any kind of screwdriver with a plan to ditch bullshit. Not sure if that was in jest, but just say no.


In these discussions I frequently see folks discuss various deniable/ditch-able weapons, like they are going to get in a violent confrontation with a street criminal and then pull a John Rain or Jason Bourne and vanish into the urban jungle, leaving the cops scratching their heads about how they could possibly catch the badass ghost who just stacked up three crackheads and left them bleeding on the pavement. I even see this go as far as recommending revolvers because they don't leave shell casings behind.

That's all bullshit.

If you want to play games like that, you need professional training in covert and clandestine operations. You would need to make your entry into the urban space without trackable electronic devices, no electronic trail of your hotels and restaurant spending, would likely need to defeat facial recognition software, and a whole host of things I'm probably forgetting because I haven't worked adjacent to that world in a long time.

Likewise, I would avoid things that aren't technically weapons but are clearly weaponized. Even if you somehow managed to deploy the James Bond belt in a fight, I really don't think it's reasonable to expect Detective Shamansky from the NYPD to not say "Wow he really walloped the shit out of that guy with his belt. I've never heard of that brand." If you can find it on the internet, so can Detective Shamansky. While it might not bring an add-on charge, it will go in the report.

If you get involved in some kind of incident, I would highly recommend getting yourself to a place of safety, calling 911, relaying minimum pertinent details and then shutting your hole until you can retain counsel. That's what reasonable people who have been attacked by criminals do. They don't try to pretend they are a CIA assassin.

Mas Ayoob has written quite well about post-incident actions. Most of his stuff revolves around using guns, but the principles are the same regardless of how you used force.

[Hot Sauce]

If you carry what is essentially a prison shank and end up using it, don't be surprised when you're treated like a prison recidivist.

To paraphrase a wise man, don't fuck around so you don't find out.

[Lester Polfus]

If you carry what is essentially a prison shank and end up using it, don't be surprised when you're treated like a prison recidivist.

To paraphrase a wise man, don't fuck around so you don't find out.

Amen. Back when I worked the road if I rolled up on the aftermath of a fight and the guy still standing told me "I had to get it on so I shanked him with the screwdriver I was carrying" I'd immediately start checking for "Born To Lose" and "No Ragrats" tattoos.

[Hot Sauce]

Amen. Back when I worked the road if I rolled up on the aftermath of a fight and the guy still standing told me "I had to get it on so I shanked him with the screwdriver I was carrying" I'd immediately start checking for "Born To Lose" and "No Ragrats" tattoos.

"Alex, I'll take teardrop face tattoo for $400"

[ubervic]

I lived in and near NYC for years (but no longer). My experience, and that of many friends who lived there, is that since there are so many people around in so many instances, and at all hours of the day and night, the vibe is more at ease and not so threatening in terms of personal safety. True story.

Yes, bad things can certainly happen to anyone, anywhere, and any time. But pay attention, don't frequent sketchy areas or walk around in odd places in the middle of the night, project quiet confidence and you'll generally be fine. And carry a high-intensity flashlight that you can quickly deploy for the odd (and rare) scenario when a weird threat arises. The good thing about flashlights is that they're legal to carry and operate everywhere---and can very deftly serve as an effective tool to stun if not temporarily blind a would-be assailant.

[Duces Tecum]

one of the reasons i keep/take a walking cane w/me when i go to no-SD handgun locales...strictly to assist with my 'walking problems' of course! just saying...

Like curious, I'd favor an appropriate, non-militarized cane. Take one anywhere. Can be useful with only a bit of training; additional training improves usefullness. There are numerous escrima teachers in New York. But Filipino stick is not the only alternative as almost every culture has a stick art and someone who teaches it. Personally, I'm curious about the broadsword / singlestick / naval cutless as tought over a series of weekends by Ben Kerr in West Palm Beach, FL.

https://palmbeachhema.com/

[Outpost75]

When I worked in DC and rode the Metro I carried an EMT belt holster holster with sturdy flashhlight, pen, forceps and shears. Only time I had to use it when a lowlife tried to snatch a lady's purse I grabbed the dirt bag's ear with the forceps and when the scissors came out he wet himself so no further action was needed.

[hiro]

People that walk down a city street carrying a cane with no obvious need for a cane stand out like a sore thumb.

Sounds like a great way to draw attention to yourself and occupy a hand.

[pastaslinger]

I lived in and near NYC for years (but no longer). My experience, and that of many friends who lived there, is that since there are so many people around in so many instances, and at all hours of the day and night, the vibe is more at ease and not so threatening in terms of personal safety. True story.

Yes, bad things can certainly happen to anyone, anywhere, and any time. But pay attention, don't frequent sketchy areas or walk around in odd places in the middle of the night, project quiet confidence and you'll generally be fine. And carry a high-intensity flashlight that you can quickly deploy for the odd (and rare) scenario when a weird threat arises. The good thing about flashlights is that they're legal to carry and operate everywhere---and can very deftly serve as an effective tool to stun if not temporarily blind a would-be assailant.

I understand these points of "avoid bad areas" but I also would like to remind people of my favorite primer for self defense which is this story
https://gothamist.com/news/city-argues-nypd-had-no-special-duty-to-protect-subway-hero-from-madmans-rampage

[Lester Polfus]

People that walk down a city street carrying a cane with no obvious need for a cane stand out like a sore thumb.

Sounds like a great way to draw attention to yourself and occupy a hand.

100% concur and...

1) If somebody is five or six feet away from you, you can whale the living shit out of them with a cane or similar object like an ASP baton.

2) There are plenty of cases where you might be able to justify some use of force, but clubbing them with a wooden stick might be a little much.

3) Lightweight striking implements like ASP batons and most canes actually are pretty shitty weapons. With the ASP in particular, the training is to hit major muscle groups but avoid joints and particularly the head. This leads to videos of cops repeatedly clubbing people like a baby seal, with little effect on their behavior. If you employ them against things like knees, you are trying to hit a point target in a wild melee, and if you connect and blow out a knee, again it's a pretty high level of force. Hitting somebody in the head with wooden club gets you into "lethal force" territory pretty quick.

4) At conversational/FUT range, where lots of assaults happen, a cane or baton is a giant, useless liability.

[curious]

People that walk down a city street carrying a cane with no obvious need for a cane stand out like a sore thumb.

Sounds like a great way to draw attention to yourself and occupy a hand.

hummm...have to go read what i posted cuz if i have a cane, it is in use...trust me...with 'my walking condition' I can truly gimp with the best of them...

[Hideeho]

I policed in NY for 20 years. If you are factoring the NYS Penal Law into your weapon carry decision, I recommend you read the definitions for Deadly Weapons and Dangerous Instruments. DWs need no intent for a charge. DIs need intent. Intent can be inferred from how the instrument is used or what happens afterwards (like ditching the screw driver). You should also be familiar with NYS Criminal Procedure Law regarding Justification. If your use of force was not justified, then your dangerous instrument will elevate charges.

From my jaded NYC experiences--I was born in Manhattan--NYC can be a great place to work and play if you can afford it. When I warn people about NYC, it's about cost not crime. Since I was police, I could never afford NYC the way it needed to be done. But now here in Austin, NYC is looking more and more affordable. Three "S" is a must to practice. I did a lot of stupid things, went to stupid places, and hung out with stupid people. But I never held a party where I introduced one "S" to another. Be situationally aware. Know the "tells" of weapon carry so you can spot an adversary. Stay away from the edge of subway platforms. Don't stand at the edge of the curb when waiting for a 'Walk' sign. Don't look at people as if they were threats. That can be read real easy by the receiver. There are neighborhoods where you might feel uncomfortable. Stay away from them. It is your discomfort that will mark you as a victim.

I don't study NYC crime data anymore, and I defer to all active LEO's to weigh-in on my next statement. Most violent crimes involve victims who know their adversary. If that statement is true, you'll love NY, but bring a lot of money.

[Guerrero]

Maybe check out the weapons chapter of Greg Elifritz's "Choose Adventure" book.

[Warped Mindless]

Thick metal water bottle with a skinny ish neck (easier to grab and swing)

Flashlight

Thick metal pen

Situational awareness

[Cory]

I think it was in class that Cecil Burch said "You can't disarm me."

And that was powerful. Because I do NOT want to fuck with him.

[BillSWPA]

Awareness, managing unknown contacts, physical fitness, and unarmed defensive skills will be critical. Anything you might carry will require good unarmed skills to really use well.

The Malkoff Bodyguard V2 flashlight with the full shroud over the tail switch makes a really nice flashlight as well as a really nice improvised striking instrument if needed. It does not have crenellations or any other features which scream weapon.

My favorite pens are the Tuff Writer Retro Click pens. Nothing about them screams tactical pen. Unfortunately many of the retro clock models are not regular production items.


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[feudist]

The motto of the International Hoplology Society is "One Mind, Any Weapon"
Cultivate an opportunistic and unsympathetic mind.
Pay rude attention to your surroundings and think the absolute worst of any human you come in contact with.
Start noticing objects, corners, fence rails, steps-things that are unbreakable with hard edges. Things to hit people with, or hit with people.
We're talking about being unarmed during an incident that may leave the innocent killed or crippled.
That's as behind the 8 ball as you'll ever find yourself.

[rathos]

https://www.meangeneleather.com/shop/mgl-hot-tamale-less-lethal-coin/

You never know when those quarters will come in handy. I take this on planes and have never been looked at twice.

[Whirlwind06]

My post was tongue in cheek, but I do remember reading I think in one of Greg Ellifritz's travel blogs about the screwdriver thing.

[03RN]

The motto of the International Hoplology Society is "One Mind, Any Weapon"
Cultivate an opportunistic and unsympathetic mind.
Pay rude attention to your surroundings and think the absolute worst of any human you come in contact with.
Start noticing objects, corners, fence rails, steps-things that are unbreakable with hard edges. Things to hit people with, or hit with people.
We're talking about being unarmed during an incident that may leave the innocent killed or crippled.
That's as behind the 8 ball as you'll ever find yourself.

"Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everybody you meet"
Gen. Mattis

[Rocket20_Ginsu]

Taser C2 May be an option to complement all of the above.


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[DC_P]

People that walk down a city street carrying a cane with no obvious need for a cane stand out like a sore thumb.

Sounds like a great way to draw attention to yourself and occupy a hand.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRIVzA27lA0

[M2CattleCo]

I’ve lived in Mexico quite a bit where everything is illegal.

You’re just part of the crowd.

The thing about places where everything is illegal, is that fighting back is generally illegal too. So do what you have to do.

[JCN]

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[45dotACP]

I strongly suggest a cell phone.

All jokes aside, I think carrying a sharpened screwdriver is a HORRIBLE idea. Don't carry anything you can't reasonably articulate a reason for having. I don't know the laws there, but I'd bet you are in unfriendly territory there if you tee off on someone with a cane or light them up with a screwdriver and it comes about that you have absolutely no fucking reason for having a cane or a screwdriver.

If Pepper Spray is legal there, I'd suggest that. If not, the umbrella thing actually sounds like a decent idea if you can figure out somewhere to keep it.

Some implements however, are useless if you don't know how to fight. For instance, I could keep my keys on a carabiner, which could serve as an improvised knuckle duster, but I'll probably need to know how to box to make that work.

Here comes the big advertisement for physical fitness and a LEGITAMATE martial arts background that emphasizes hard contact, grappling and being able to control and finish someone against their will by forcing them into a situation that is impossible for them to overcome. Think Wrestling, Judo, MMA, Boxing, Muay Thai, or something like those. I shouldn't say MMA is a martial art, because MMA is a set of rules, although there are a number of schools that specialize in training MMA athletes and those places would be good to learn from.

Do not make the mistake of basing your fighting style on an "add on" martial art style. That is not going to help you against a dedicated attacker who is pressing the fight. I refer to some martial arts as an "add on" martial art because you need to know how to fight already if you want to use them. That sort of thing is the case with various forms of Tae Kwon Do, Aikido, and kung-fu. "Hand to Hand Skills" means you need to know how to fight. That means being able to react in the moment to a very dynamic and chaotic situation. That doesn't come from your sensei standing in front of you and saying "Attack me....NO....attack me like THIS" or some self defense guru who says it's all about eye pokes and groin shots but could never even land a leg kick or a straight right on a resisting opponent.

Like yeah, eye pokes and groin shots can work very well. But if you can't land a punch or a leg kick, what makes you think you can hit a smaller target than that in a stressful situation. You don't rise to the occasion. I think guys like Cecil and Paul and Craig have been preaching for years that you can add those things on to a foundation...but you cannot MAKE them your foundation. I can put a guy on the ground with an aikido wristlock because I know that if that fails, I can go immediately to a blast double.

That story of the dude who used a MMA hold to take down a knife wielding assailant is fucking wild, but that's the kind of martial arts you need. Yeah, he got cut badly. He could have died easily. What he did was both brave, and desperate but he defeated and HELD DOWN and armed assailant. That is fucking bananas.

When I was taking YMCA karate as a kid, I would occasionally think to myself about those exact type of situations. "Could I REALLY beat some dude in a fight? Could I bring myself to take down a guy with a knife and know I could do it? Can I land powerful, debilitating shots with speed? If I got the guy to the ground, do I have a way I can defeat him that doesn't include my usual bravado of just saying I would stomp his head or something?"

In the back of my mind, I knew the answer was "maybe...maybe not." because kata, front snap kicks and chambered punches and ridge hand strikes on a wave master were one thing...but we never sparred.

Now that I have been kickboxing with sparring frequently, and have gone up in rank in BJJ, I know for a fact that I could improvise/find a way in the moment to to funnel an attacker into a situation that would be to my benefit. I would maybe still get cut, and maybe still badly. But if desperate enough and brave enough, I have many times before, controlled the pace of striking exchanges against larger, stronger opponents, and have been able to take them down and easily control or finish them.

So yeah, get out the carabiner so you can open up cuts on the guy a little easier, or get the keys to put between your fingers, or the umbrella to daze him with some headshots...get the pepper spray so you can blind him, or groin strikes that you can deliver quickly and use footwork to dodge whatever counter he may have. You can dominate the fight with just a little extra advantage.

But you should learn how to do one thing that you'll never get from a single seminar or a day in training.

You should learn how to fight.

But if your body is too beat up for that, then I suggest you avoid the stupid people, places and times, get some pepper spray and figure out how to get the fuck away in a hurry and notify the cops.

Hence the cell phone.

[vcdgrips]

Random thoughts from somebody who has visited NYC a number of times in the last 6 years for kids' school visits, camps/singing trips and matriculation.

AFAIK, pepper spray is ONLY legal if it was purchased in NY from an authorized dealer i.e. Pharmacies and Gun Stores. I am told there is a form and ID is required.

Out of context tools i.e. screwdrivers, box cutters, carpet knives etc. will be a cause for concern should they be deployed out of context.

The "need" for a coin purse to hold quarters re the subway, busses etc. made a lot more since 8-10 years ago. Given the explosion of magnetic strip transit cards and smart phone ability to proximity pay, they may be problematic as well.

In no particular order:

1. Look/act/be the part re dress and demeanor. i.e.
2. 3 S rule
3. ALWAYS be wearing comfortable shoes you can run and be sure footed in. I would go as far to say that after staying warm/dry, the next priority in NYC is comfortable shoes.
4. Keep your hands free. Ergo use a backpack/messenger bag/sling bag as appropriate
5. Wear headphone with sound off or low as it sends a visual cue that you are occupied
6. Wear sunglasses when appropriate so as to not be obviously making unintended eye contact.
7. Buy and carry NY approved pepper spray as it is better than nothing. Keep a copy of your receipt so you can document its NY approval.
8. I do not typically check bags so I will not be flying in w an NYC approved knife ( sub 4 inches, no exposed clips etc.) If I was going to live in NYC, I would know the knife laws stone cold and comply with them scrupulously.
9. Listen your little voice when it is time to go, not go at all, move on, get out, take the next train etc. When in any doubt, Lyft or Uber Out v taking the train.
10. NOBODY can or will take care of you better than you.
11. I concur that the right flashlight is a good thing
12. I concur re being conscious of impact mechanisms and by extension physical barriers in the environment.
13. With "crazy" folks, there is NOTHING you can say to talk them down, in the end, space is created because you move on, they move on, you both move on, they fixate on something or someone else or you will have to fully commit to doing whatever it takes to create the space for yourself.


slight drift-Given my background, midwest, ethnic mom, extremely diverse school/work environments, i tend to be highly civil re saying excuse me, yes ma'am, yes sir, young man, young lady, opening doors, giving up my seat on the train etc. I sometime wonder if that civility is taken as weakness. Particularly in a dense urban environment like NYC.

[blues]

slight drift-Given my background, midwest, ethnic mom, extremely diverse school/work environments, i tend to be highly civil re saying excuse me, yes ma'am, yes sir, young man, young lady, opening doors, giving up my seat on the train etc. I sometime wonder if that civility is taken as weakness. Particularly in a dense urban environment like NYC.

I no longer live in NYC but did for more than half my life, and I still have numerous family and friends there.

I do not think it's taken as a sign of weakness. I think NYers appreciate civility as much as anyone else, and maybe more so in some instances, despite appearances and popular culture to the contrary. That said, Mr. Murphy recognizes no geographic bounds, to my knowledge.

[curious]

I strongly suggest a cell phone.

All jokes aside, I think carrying a sharpened screwdriver is a HORRIBLE idea. Don't carry anything you can't reasonably articulate a reason for having. I don't know the laws there, but I'd bet you are in unfriendly territory there if you tee off on someone with a cane or light them up with a screwdriver and it comes about that you have absolutely no fucking reason for having a cane or a screwdriver.

If Pepper Spray is legal there, I'd suggest that. If not, the umbrella thing actually sounds like a decent idea if you can figure out somewhere to keep it.

Some implements however, are useless if you don't know how to fight. For instance, I could keep my keys on a carabiner, which could serve as an improvised knuckle duster, but I'll probably need to know how to box to make that work.

Here comes the big advertisement for physical fitness and a LEGITAMATE martial arts background that emphasizes hard contact, grappling and being able to control and finish someone against their will by forcing them into a situation that is impossible for them to overcome. Think Wrestling, Judo, MMA, Boxing, Muay Thai, or something like those. I shouldn't say MMA is a martial art, because MMA is a set of rules, although there are a number of schools that specialize in training MMA athletes and those places would be good to learn from.

Do not make the mistake of basing your fighting style on an "add on" martial art style. That is not going to help you against a dedicated attacker who is pressing the fight. I refer to some martial arts as an "add on" martial art because you need to know how to fight already if you want to use them. That sort of thing is the case with various forms of Tae Kwon Do, Aikido, and kung-fu. "Hand to Hand Skills" means you need to know how to fight. That means being able to react in the moment to a very dynamic and chaotic situation. That doesn't come from your sensei standing in front of you and saying "Attack me....NO....attack me like THIS" or some self defense guru who says it's all about eye pokes and groin shots but could never even land a leg kick or a straight right on a resisting opponent.

Like yeah, eye pokes and groin shots can work very well. But if you can't land a punch or a leg kick, what makes you think you can hit a smaller target than that in a stressful situation. You don't rise to the occasion. I think guys like Cecil and Paul and Craig have been preaching for years that you can add those things on to a foundation...but you cannot MAKE them your foundation. I can put a guy on the ground with an aikido wristlock because I know that if that fails, I can go immediately to a blast double.

That story of the dude who used a MMA hold to take down a knife wielding assailant is fucking wild, but that's the kind of martial arts you need. Yeah, he got cut badly. He could have died easily. What he did was both brave, and desperate but he defeated and HELD DOWN and armed assailant. That is fucking bananas.

When I was taking YMCA karate as a kid, I would occasionally think to myself about those exact type of situations. "Could I REALLY beat some dude in a fight? Could I bring myself to take down a guy with a knife and know I could do it? Can I land powerful, debilitating shots with speed? If I got the guy to the ground, do I have a way I can defeat him that doesn't include my usual bravado of just saying I would stomp his head or something?"

In the back of my mind, I knew the answer was "maybe...maybe not." because kata, front snap kicks and chambered punches and ridge hand strikes on a wave master were one thing...but we never sparred.

Now that I have been kickboxing with sparring frequently, and have gone up in rank in BJJ, I know for a fact that I could improvise/find a way in the moment to to funnel an attacker into a situation that would be to my benefit. I would maybe still get cut, and maybe still badly. But if desperate enough and brave enough, I have many times before, controlled the pace of striking exchanges against larger, stronger opponents, and have been able to take them down and easily control or finish them.

So yeah, get out the carabiner so you can open up cuts on the guy a little easier, or get the keys to put between your fingers, or the umbrella to daze him with some headshots...get the pepper spray so you can blind him, or groin strikes that you can deliver quickly and use footwork to dodge whatever counter he may have. You can dominate the fight with just a little extra advantage.

But you should learn how to do one thing that you'll never get from a single seminar or a day in training.

You should learn how to fight.

But if your body is too beat up for that, then I suggest you avoid the stupid people, places and times, get some pepper spray and figure out how to get the fuck away in a hurry and notify the cops.

Hence the cell phone.

ah, the exuberance of youth...

fisticuffs means i have failed at my overall situational awareness training and truly allowed someone to get way way to close to lay hands on me...nawl, i'll pass and just capitulate by throwing my money clip at my feet for them to have...oh ya i forgot i have a cane...hummm ~ there are 8 million stories in the naked city this is mine!!

as for the use of a cane...might check statutory definitions across the nation but mine only makes them illegal if they are all white & red.

regarding possession and use of pepper spray statutory guidance varies across the country as to amount, some as low as < 2oz, and legality to use in self defense situations...

now where did I leave my Shillelagh to continue my wandering all the while hummmn' to myself:

I love to go a-wandering, Along the mountain track, And as I go, I love to sing,

[mtnbkr]

I do not think it's taken as a sign of weakness. I think NYers appreciate civility as much as anyone else, and maybe more so in some instances, despite appearances and popular culture to the contrary.
I've only visited NYC as a tourist, but I found New Yorkers to generally be pretty polite and helpful in contrast to the stereotype. Sure they could be a bit direct and motivated, but I never found them rude or unhelpful.

Chris

[ubervic]

I think NYers appreciate civility as much as anyone else, and maybe more so in some instances, despite appearances and popular culture to the contrary. That said, Mr. Murphy recognizes no geographic bounds, to my knowledge.

I spent most of my childhood on Long Island then moved to the greater DC Metro area as a teenager. Relocated to NY, actually Manhattan, to run a retail store as the manager in the late '80s. During my entire time in NYC, I was continually impressed by the friendliness and decency of the dozens of random customers I'd encounter on a daily basis. NYers are not necessarily more rude than anyone else. Direct, yes, but not rude. There's a difference.

[JHC]

I no longer live in NYC but did for more than half my life, and I still have numerous family and friends there.

I do not think it's taken as a sign of weakness. I think NYers appreciate civility as much as anyone else, and maybe more so in some instances, despite appearances and popular culture to the contrary. That said, Mr. Murphy recognizes no geographic bounds, to my knowledge.

I hit the Big Apple a couple times for work and wandered about with co-workers enjoying food and drink and found the folks to be just delightful. Including wandering around Grennich Village and asking folks for directions and stumbling upon a shoot for a commercial to re-introduce the Indian motorcycle a good while before it actually hit the market.

[jeep45238]

Write in the rain note book (small soft back) and a Zebra F701 pen - practical for daily, and the steel pen is a great writing utensil while being a pretty nifty pokey thing. Sherriff and the court metal detectors didn't bat an eyeball.

POM spray, a similarly sized high candela/lumen flash light, and no pocket clips on anything.

[pastaslinger]

My current takeaways from this thread are pepper spray bought in NYC, and a flashlight (which is always a useful tool anyways). For flashlight, I'm hoping the surefire turbo series handhelds become available soon, but if not, then either the SF E2D defender, the Malkoff posted earlier, or maybe still the Cloud MCH.

I am also now interested in finding my the wilderness instructor belts. I think I sold them, but they have pretty hefty steel buckles and aren't specifically advertised as being a weapon like that other belt that was posted (I otherwise think that one is awesome).

It is fair to say staying away from trouble keeps you out of trouble, but at some level, things are unavoidable or unexpected which is why I try to carry when possible, even for places that I know are normally "safe" like Costco. Example, a few months back I was at the park in a neighborhood where the median home price is easily in the 7-8 figure range with a group of friends, and the group next to us that was minding their own business had a knife pulled on them by a guy high on meth. Why not be as prepared as legally possible? That day I thought we were swimming in the lake, so I stupidly only brought a pocket knife and the "what if" part of my brain regretted not carrying.

I think learning grappling arts and basic strikes also makes sense but I do not want to grapple with anyone if I can help it because even if someone is weak, it significantly preoccupies you and you're vulnerable to that person's buddy. Also, I have done some wrestling, BJJ, and judo before but let's just say that as I have gotten older, I am realizing my frailty a bit more from exercise/weightlifting injuries and I'm not going to pretend that I'm some registered ass kicker in the grappling arts.

[NH Shooter]

Someone mention flashlights? :-)

This one is a Malkoff M91T head on a MD4 body with a Lumens Factory tailcap. AOL = 7-1/2";

https://i.ibb.co/MNFHfFK/edc-32.jpg (https://ibb.co/w65q758)


Same setup on a Malkoff MD3 body, which measures 6-5/8" long making it carry-on legal;

https://i.ibb.co/K25NmJ1/md3lego-3.jpg (https://ibb.co/CbwJWfr)


As I've mentioned before, either of the above ride comfortably unnoticed in the right-front zippered pocket of Duluth relaxed fit Foreman's pants. Both are built like hammers, the MD4 version is my preference.

[JCN]

That doesn't come from your sensei standing in front of you and saying "Attack me....NO....attack me like THIS" or some self defense guru who says it's all about eye pokes and groin shots but could never even land a leg kick or a straight right on a resisting opponent.

Like yeah, eye pokes and groin shots can work very well. But if you can't land a punch or a leg kick, what makes you think you can hit a smaller target than that in a stressful situation. You don't rise to the occasion. I think guys like Cecil and Paul and Craig have been preaching for years that you can add those things on to a foundation...but you cannot MAKE them your foundation. I can put a guy on the ground with an aikido wristlock because I know that if that fails, I can go immediately to a blast double.

In reading this, I thought that was a perfect analogy for many, many of the static firing line gun classes / instructors.

[Ed L]

I know there are a lot of pens sold with the intent of being strong enough to stab with. I figure my Mont Blanc would work almost as well, but might think about something more purpose-built.

Remember that your best defense is to avoid doing stupid shit with stupid people in stupid places. Once you cross all of those out, the murder rate in the US is pretty much statistically insignificant.

Also remember that nearly 9 million people go un-murdered in NYC every year!
(8,804,190 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City)-318 (https://www1.nyc.gov/site/nypd/news/pr0106/overall-crime-new-york-city-hits-record-low-2019))


There is a strong trend of workers reluctant to go back to in office work because of fear of the rising crime.

https://nypost.com/2022/05/08/nyc-could-face-decline-of-workers-returning-to-offices-over-crime/


An advocate for large New York City employers warned Sunday that the Big Apple could see a “long-term decline” of workers commuting to Manhattan’s office buildings if crime isn’t reduced.

Under 40% of Manhattan office workers currently go to their desks on an average week day, according to Partnership for New York City, a nonprofit group representing local business leaders.

The head of the group, Kathryn Wylde, in an appearance on WABC aired Sunday, assigned blame for the low office attendance to “the public safety problem” and concerns surrounding homelessness, rather than the city’s increasing COVID-19 positivity rates.

“When we asked employers what’s the factor that would be most effective in bringing people back to the office, they said, ‘Reduce the presence of the homeless and mentally ill individuals, and expand police presence on the streets and subways,’” Wylde told “The Cats Roundtable” host John Catsimatidis.

“There’s no mystery here. No matter what employers do to encourage [their employees to return to the office], … if we can’t solve the public safety problem,” she explained. “If we can’t do that, we are going to see a long-term decline in the presence of folks who are willing to take the subway and come back to the office.”

According to the NYPD, major crimes were up 34.2% overall in April — a trend caused by jumps in felony assaults, robberies, burglaries and thefts — even as gun violence fell.

Empty office

Under 40% of Manhattan office workers currently go to their desks on an average week day, according to Partnership for New York City.

Wylde, citing a Partnership for New York City report set to be released Monday, said that about 39% of Manhattan workers come to the office on the average weekday, while cautioning that “most” desk jockeys in the boroughs are only in the office about three days a week. Employees in the real-estate industry who work in Manhattan have a much higher attendance of about 83%, the business lobbyist said.

Those numbers represent a steep decline compared to pre-pandemic days, when Wylde said more than 80% of the employers the business group surveyed required their staff to be in the office five days a week.

The data also constitutes a moderate increase from the 28% of Manhattan’s workers who in November were back in their offices on an average weekday, with just 8% at their desks full-time, according to a Partnership for New York City survey released at the time.


The head of the group assigned blame for the low office attendance to “the public safety problem” and concerns surrounding homelessness, rather than the city’s increasing COVID-19 positivity rates.

Wylde projected that by September “at least half” of employees will be back in their offices every day.

City Hall projected in budget documents released last month that it expects at least 20% of the five boroughs’ office space will remain empty through at least 2026.

While she has encouraged employers to bring staff back to their offices, Gov. Kathy Hochul recently said the coronavirus pandemic may have likely killed the traditional five-day work commute.

Mayor Eric Adams has repeatedly called for New Yorkers to get back to their desks, quipping that, “You can’t stay home in your pajamas all day,” and saying it was instrumental to the city’s economic recovery from the pandemic.

Man working from home
City Hall projected in budget documents released last month that it expects at least 20% of the five boroughs’ office space will remain empty through at least 2026.

The mayor recently launched a so-far unsuccessful initiative to rid the city of homeless encampments, and along with Hochul rolled out a pair of multi-agency initiatives — one announced in January and another in February — aimed at preventing New Yorkers without shelter from sleeping on the subway.

During the radio interview, Wylde also noted that New York City has already rebounded from the COVID-19 pandemic on nightlife and dining — but not on returning to the office.

“If you’re out on evenings and weekends, you’ll see we are open, John,” she told Catsimatidis. “We’re just not quite back to the office yet.”

During the radio interview, Wylde also noted that New York City has already rebounded from the COVID-19 pandemic on nightlife and dining — but not on returning to the office.

Her comments come as Google employees, including those who work in the Big Apple, were required last month to begin working from the company’s office at least three days per week.

A JPMorgan Chase executive last month told some employees that they could reduce the number of days they spend working on site following worker pushback to the bank’s previously strict return-to-office rules.

[vcdgrips]

I am slightly, but only slightly, tongue in cheek

JCN-says "In reading this, I thought that was a perfect analogy for many, many of the static firing line gun classes / instructors."

Said the man who claims to have NEVER taken a class...or formal instruction.

[03RN]

I just found a spike antler shed in the woods. Just saying.88617

[Hot Sauce]

I am also now interested in finding my the wilderness instructor belts. I think I sold them, but they have pretty hefty steel buckles and aren't specifically advertised as being a weapon like that other belt that was posted (I otherwise think that one is awesome).

IMO this is overcomplicating things. My hunch is that if you have enough time to unbelt yourself and deploy a Wilderness for self defense work, you probably have enough time to get way off the X.

I think you basically have 3 available tools serving as primaries for different ranges. Light at long range for deselection, pepper spray past striking range for demotivation, and hands+light at striking range.

[03RN]

IMO this is overcomplicating things. My hunch is that if you have enough time to unbelt yourself and deploy a Wilderness for self defense work, you probably have enough time to get way off the X.

Like 9/11 or other hostage situations?

[42Willys]

After a 15 year drought, I’ve been to Manhattan three times in the past 13 months. Didn’t go to stupid places at stupid times and didn’t do stupid things. Had a great time each visit. Never felt unsafe. Amazing architecture (visit the Empire State Building!) and bagels. Goodness. The bagels.

I will admit the NYC subway is the most confusing metro system I’ve ever been on. I had an easier time walking onto the metro in Frankfurt, Germany and figuring out which way to go than the first time I ever went on the NYC subway. And the second and third times for that matter. And I don’t speak German.

But after using the subway quite a bit over the last year I’ve gotten much better at it - and my key to confident subway patronage is to figure things out ahead of time. If your head is stuck in your phone figuring out which way to go, it’s hard to not look like a tourist or a target. There are not a lot of subway maps in the stations. Not sure why. And the directions of trains assume you know which direction the final destination is. So when I put the work in ahead of time, I can now enter a station and find the right platform without any trouble. Less stressful that way too.

[pastaslinger]

Like 9/11 or other hostage situations?

Or even the recent subway shooting

[Clusterfrack]

IMO this is overcomplicating things. My hunch is that if you have enough time to unbelt yourself and deploy a Wilderness for self defense work, you probably have enough time to get way off the X.

I think you basically have 3 available tools serving as primaries for different ranges. Light at long range for deselection, pepper spray past striking range for demotivation, and hands+light at striking range.

You might be surprised how quickly you can get a belt with a heavy buckle into action.

[Hot Sauce]

You might be surprised how quickly you can get a belt with a heavy buckle into action.

School me.

Having used that sort of riggers style belt in the past, the way it locks down strikes me (:eek:) as not very quick to undo. I'm also dubious of it's effectiveness as a weapon. And that's assuming that you can do without the belt fulfilling it's primary purpose. Getting pants'd in a fight is the worst.

What's your draw to strike time with a riggers style belt?

Part of the reason why I was sold on and recommended POM was that it's small enough to palm, has a clip, and looks non-tactical like an inhaler. What this translates to is the ability to draw quickly when surprised (clip aspect), but also being able to put in hand pre-emptively before shit gets real and even walk around with it in hand without drawing attention (small/innocuous looking aspect). Tested this first hand numerous times.



The other thing is depending on what type of work you do pastaslinger and the associated dress code, a riggers belt may be something you can only wear on your personal time.

Here are some publicly available stats (https://s.wsj.net/public/resources/documents/NewYorkCityTransitandBusCommittee-13Dec2021-Meeting-v1%20(1).pdf) (pg 103-109) for crime in NYC public transit that I found via Wall Street Journal. You'll need to compare them to crimes in general to decide how much it's worth worrying about the crime in the transit system vs on the streets. The nice thing about a train versus a bus, is that if your spidey-sense goes off you can generally move from one train car to another to avoid trouble.

[Clusterfrack]

School me.

Having used that sort of riggers style belt in the past, the way it locks down strikes me (:eek:) as not very quick to undo. I'm also dubious of it's effectiveness as a weapon. And that's assuming that you can do without the belt fulfilling it's primary purpose. Getting pants'd in a fight is the worst.

What's your draw to strike time with a riggers style belt?


All of my regular belts, including riggers belts are slow to take off. That's unacceptable for the scenario I'm envisioning: multiple attackers in a mugging/assault/mob situation.

The Lenwood belt (https://lenwood.com/shop/belts/bft/) has a stud buckle and I trimmed mine so it doesn't have much extra length. I would say ~2 seconds to get it into action using a proper double-around-wrist grip.

I agree that pants falling down is problematic. I've done that to people on the mat, and it's hard to fight back from.

And I agree--none of this is a substitute for OC spray.

[Hot Sauce]

All of my regular belts, including riggers belts are slow to take off. That's unacceptable for the scenario I'm envisioning: multiple attackers in a mugging/assault/mob situation.

The Lenwood belt (https://lenwood.com/shop/belts/bft/) has a stud buckle and I trimmed mine so it doesn't have much extra length. I would say ~2 seconds to get it into action using a proper double-around-wrist grip.

I agree that pants falling down is problematic. I've done that to people on the mat, and it's hard to fight back from.

And I agree--none of this is a substitute for OC spray.

Yes, the Lenwood looks a lot better for that purpose.

Is the company of manufacture marked anywhere on the belt?

Because if you use it for self defense and you call the cops, when they find your attacker/mugger/etc. bloodied up like they were beaten with a Louisville Slugger, the investigator may google the unusually weighty belt.

And on the site, it is being marketed as a weapon. IANAL and don't know if that would result in any further consequences, but we are talking about a highly non-permissive jurisdiction after all.

(is Gabe Suarez consulting for them?)


"The Lenwood Blunt Force Trauma Belt - Look good and break faces!"

"Now with the addition of the skullcrusher buckle you have a weapon you can take anywhere, because it is well, “just a belt”

"The Lenwood BFT is a great belt for packing a pistol, EDC, casual, and ever dress wear, but it's FAR more than just a belt. It is an extremely effective weapon!"

[Clusterfrack]

All good questions. The belt is sterile. No markings. I view this as a last-resort weapon but I'm expecting to have some explaining to do if it gets used.

Edit: the belt would also be a great option for dealing with a dog attack.


Yes, the Lenwood looks a lot better for that purpose.

Is the company of manufacture marked anywhere on the belt?

Because if you use it for self defense and you call the cops, when they find your attacker/mugger/etc. bloodied up like they were beaten with a Louisville Slugger, the investigator may google the unusually weighty belt.

And on the site, it is being marketed as a weapon. IANAL and don't know if that would result in any further consequences, but we are talking about a highly non-permissive jurisdiction after all.

(is Gabe Suarez consulting for them?)

[Hot Sauce]

All good questions. The belt is sterile. No markings. I view this as a last-resort weapon but I'm expecting to have some explaining to do if it gets used.

Sterile is good.

Knowing what you carry, if you're in such drag out fight that you had to belt whip somebody into submission, I suspect your choice of belts would be the least of things needing an explanation.

[Clusterfrack]

Sterile is good.

Knowing what you carry, if you're in such drag out fight that you had to belt whip somebody into submission, I suspect your choice of belts would be the least of things needing an explanation.

I’ve only carried the belt in Europe and Scandinavia where I don’t have many tools on me.

[MDFA]

Just wanted to vent a bit regarding my most recent trip to England. My wife and I returned from England yesterday. She grew up there after her family returned to England from Australia where she was born. So we have friends and family there. This was my 3rd trip. Now I like England and the history of the small villages, pubs, historic sites etc. But it makes me crazy that I can't really carry any defensive tools there. Knives are out unless it's any extremely small blade, and if you used it defensively, it would be determined an offensive weapon. Firearms are out obviously. Pepper spray is out, flashlights yes but watch the size and again if you use it in an offensive manner.... So I wore my 5.11 Instructor Belt with the large metal buckle, better than nothing... and again if you defend yourself...

So obviously Airport Security is a part of life for all of us. So our first trip in 2012 we go through all the Security procedures leaving the US and entering the UK, which are stringent.

When we go to leave the UK, their idea of screening for anyone going to the US consists of some "Security Professional" waving a hand held metal detector wand half assed over people as they walk up to him in a line.

Our next trip in 2019 again our screening to leave the US and enter the UK are stringent.

When we leave, I get selected for "Enhanced Security Screening" Now I'm into my 45th year of being a Police Officer and serving my country in the military as well as currently working for the DOD. So while not pleased, I think hey maybe they're getting their shit together as far as out bound to the US. So my Enhanced Screening consists of me taking my shoes off and the "Security Professional" picking them up and dropping them 6 inches onto the table he and I are standing next too... and holding up my untucked polo shirt and turning around...

So when we enter the UK on this trip again US and UK security measures are stringent.

However yesterday when we are leaving to return to the US we have to do the usual remove liquids and put them in a bag etc. and as you go through the line they have actual items under glass that you can't take on the aircraft and holes where you can drop them into if you realize you have them, ie knives, corkscrews, scissors, large liquids, alcohol etc etc.

So we get to the part of placing your items into the trays and going through the metal detectors etc. The lady in front of us is a US citizen as well and remarks and shows us that she just discovered a Corkscrew in her pocket, and asks us what to do? I told her to give it to the "Security Professional" when she goes to place her other items into the tray for screening. Which she does. The " Security Professional" looks at it and opens it up and examines it, and then hands it back to her and tells her to keep it... So she is now carrying an item onto an aircraft that any of us who frequent this forum could more than likely put to good use and really put a hurt onto someone....

This photo is of the same type of item we have, and no I didn't have one with me. I took this photo today at home for illustration. Nor am I suggesting that anyone do what she did.

89898


I'm just venting... and no I'm not surprised in the least about the lack of training, skill or professionalism of the "Security Professionals".

[Archer1440]

First of all, obviously, situational awareness is always your best ‘weapon’ and is always Plan A.

I suspect all of us here know that drill.

As someone who used to go to Asia and Europe an average of 6-8x/year for 25 years before the chinapocylapse, I still always found a way to have something on me that would be of use in case Plan A failed.

One of those things has always been a high output flashlight. Even in Japan, where even a 2” knife blade is not an option, this never got as much as a second glance from authorities, because anyone in an earthquake prone region with common sense carries some sort of light. Even the old crenellated Surefires didn’t get any scrutiny back when I carried those.

The fact that a durable high candela light also provides two separate force options is especially useful.

The other was a particularly well made fountain pen- again, something that would never get a glance from the authorities, but with training, can be quite a handy item. (My training was with Steve Tarani, for what that is worth.)

My titanium chopsticks didn’t get a second glance two weeks ago in Korea, either.

But, Plan A has always kept me from really ever needing any of that stuff.

[BillSWPA]

First of all, obviously, situational awareness is always your best ‘weapon’ and is always Plan A.

I suspect all of us here know that drill.

As someone who used to go to Asia and Europe an average of 6-8x/year for 25 years before the chinapocylapse, I still always found a way to have something on me that would be of use in case Plan A failed.

One of those things has always been a high output flashlight. Even in Japan, where even a 2” knife blade is not an option, this never got as much as a second glance from authorities, because anyone in an earthquake prone region with common sense carries some sort of light. Even the old crenellated Surefires didn’t get any scrutiny back when I carried those.

The fact that a durable high candela light also provides two separate force options is especially useful.

The other was a particularly well made fountain pen- again, something that would never get a glance from the authorities, but with training, can be quite a handy item. (My training was with Steve Tarani, for what that is worth.)

My titanium chopsticks didn’t get a second glance two weeks ago in Korea, either.

But, Plan A has always kept me from really ever needing any of that stuff.

When you mention crenellations, we’re these the minimal crenellations like those on many Surefires, or the big E2D type crenellations?


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[Hambo]

9. Listen your little voice when it is time to go, not go at all, move on, get out, take the next train etc. When in any doubt, Lyft or Uber Out v taking the train.


This should always be rule #1.


I will admit the NYC subway is the most confusing metro system I’ve ever been on.

I concur.

There's plenty of video to watch of how muggings go down.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/nypd-searching-for-2-suspects-in-deadly-late-may-mugging-in-bed-stuy/ar-AAYh45a
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTz9RwOBKDc

[Archer1440]

When you mention crenellations, we’re these the minimal crenellations like those on many Surefires, or the big E2D type crenellations?


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Back in the early ‘00s, they were the dumb-ass pants-tearing ones. I learned not to carry that particular one around so much fairly early on, though- not because anyone raised an eyebrow, but because they were simply stupid.

[feudist]

This should always be rule #1.



I concur.

There's plenty of video to watch of how muggings go down.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/nypd-searching-for-2-suspects-in-deadly-late-may-mugging-in-bed-stuy/ar-AAYh45a
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTz9RwOBKDc

People need to start chewing Beechnut.

[NH Shooter]

One of those things has always been a high output flashlight. Even in Japan, where even a 2” knife blade is not an option, this never got as much as a second glance from authorities, because anyone in an earthquake prone region with common sense carries some sort of light. Even the old crenellated Surefires didn’t get any scrutiny back when I carried those.

The fact that a durable high candela light also provides two separate force options is especially useful.

I am also firmly in this camp. Along with the obvious SA benefit in low-light environments, a blindingly bright (high candela) flashlight can be used to good effect in a number of ways for self defense.

[DownZero]

This thread is kind of old but I thought I might have some useful info to provide. Hopefully.
My background, born, raised and still live in NYC, God help me. 22 years NY LE. Trained with Ken Hackathorn (2x), Pat Rogers (2X), John Farnham (2x), Mas Ayoob LFI1, and the late Jim Cirillo once. Trained Pikiti Tersia Arnis for several years.

First, get some form of insurance for use of self defense. Last I checked it wasn't available in NYS, except for the Armed Citizens Legal Defense Fund. Don't know how it would work if you're insured in another state that you reside in but are in NY. This is good idea in general but ESPECIALLY so in ant-gun/self defense NYS/NYC.

What's legal in NYC? A knife with a blade no longer than 4". It didn't specify a folder last I checked but a fixed blade is going to be very hard to explain in NYC. And probably would be presumptively a weapon. The "gravity" knife nonsense was ended. EXCEPT on public transit. So It would be smart to have a knife that doesn't flick open when on public transit. And of course one that doesn't look menacing, no black blade coatings, serrations, or scary names. And nothing too big. Think Delica, or that size. Non black handles are a good idea as well. Pens, of course, but again stay away from the overly "tacticool" or "spikey". LE is aware of what they are. Does it make them illegal to possess? Not at all. But lower profile attracts less attention to your other tools. And of course doesn't look scary or like you were looking for trouble if you unfortunately have to use it and go to trial. And I suppose you would/could acquire another charge under NY's catch all deadly weapon law if it's used or intended as such. Tuff Writers click pens in "friendly" colors are great as are Zebra' heavy duty metal pen. Again stay away from black colored one's is a good idea.
Pepper spray is legal, but there are murky restrictions on it being "pocket" size. And I believe the NYS AG established a strength and weight limit. I think it best you research that to your satisfaction rather then my "telling" you what's legal.
The law against a visible pocket clip is still around, but ignored by many. I see guys on the train all the time with one showing. Does that mean do it? No. But it's like many things in NYC, and this is important, if you don't look like a skel LE tend to ignore you or if they see the clip ignore it. Does that mean it's guaranteed? Again no. Just pointing out you're not going to pull attention if you A- Are over 25 or so AND B-Don't look like a skel.
Flashlight's of course are still legal, again stay away from the spikey, tacticool ones. Even a multi cell Mag-Lite is legal. Hard too explain again, maybe it's the only flashlight you have? Why would you carry a light? Everyone takes the train in NYC at some point or might have to to get somewhere, flashlights are a really good idea if the lights go out down there.

And something I don't think was mentioned your bags can still be searched randomly. There were cops at various and random subway stations doing this. Generally before entry to the system. But since Covid, or maybe 2020, it's definitely less. In fact I haven't seen it in several years. So the standard to search your person is still the same, but not your bags or packages.

The subways are becoming very dangerous, mentally unstable people everywhere. I see between 5 and 10 every time I ride. And the city isn't doing anything about it. You'll see people sleeping on the floor and cops don't even check to see if they're alive. Also a rise in random attacks. Just saw on the news today subway crime is up 40%! You'll also see them on the streets, mostly in Manhattan. Your awareness has to be at it's peak on the subway. If it looks remotely like trouble go to the next car or move down the platform. You can wait for the train by the token booth, which are generally staffed again. The clerks aren't supposed to and generally won't come out to help you (and they're not trained or equipped too) but they can call for help. There will be an audible alert that the train is coming and a indicator of which one usually on a digital display board. Generally the booths are near enough to the stairs or the platform itself that you have time to make the train if you're in good health. Not always. In those cases check the digital display, it will indicate how many minutes out the arriving trains are. You can then go to the platform within the time you need to get there but have waited by the booth most of the time. Especially do this at night, especially late nights when the station may be empty. When riding the train sit in the first car, or the conductors car. For the same reasons I suggest staying near the token booth, they'll call for help. The conductors car is generally approximately the middle car. To find it exactly you can look for a "sign" with vertical black and white stripes, this is where they stop. It's usually suspended from the ceiling, near the platforms edge and the over head lights there, sometimes it will be on the wall of the station. It's rectangular, about 4 to 6 feet long, about 6 to 8 inches high and white on the side facing you. Unfortunately the stripes face the train, not you. You have to get close to the edge to see them. Not super close, well for a NYer anyway, and you can tell what it is once you know what you're looking for. And it only takes a quick look, obviously don't do it if you see someone suspicious near you. Or at all if you don't feel safe doing it. Try to stay off the subway if you can and take cabs, Uber, etc.

Now for some advice with the caveat don't expect this to be written in stone or guaranteed. What I said about not being noticed if you don't look like an obvious threat, most cops just aren't looking at you. Or if they do will "read" you as a non skel/problem and give you a pass if they see a knife pocket clip. Even less guaranteed, but true, cops are trying REALLY hard not to get involved if possible, and have a more leave it alone attitude if it's not an obvious in progress crime. Not a criticism or a judgement, just the truth.

Good luck.

[DownZero]

In my previous post I mistakenly said a knife blade no longer than 4". It's actually UNDER 4". So 3 7/8" would be good to go but definitely possible the desk Sargeant or a judge will be measuring that blade length. I doubt any LE is going to have a ruler on them at the scene to tell an 1/8". Do you want that potential hassle in your day? Besides the longer the blade the more likely it will look like a weapon and you'll get more of "Why do you have this, what do you use it for?". You're pretty likely to get that with any knife bigger than a small Swiss Army knife in NYC. Be prepared accordingly. I say this because some people who don't live in NYC or another big city don't seem to understand the average joe NOT having a knife on him being the norm. You're unlikely to be arrested or summonsed for a knife that's totally legal but it's possible. It's just "odd" to any NYer's eyes, including cops.

I also failed to mention random searching of your bags is only on public transit.

With regard to the leeway you might get if you don't look like a criminal or are committing a crime if a knife clip is seen, again it's not written in stone and I wouldn't suggest it. I was more trying to give a sense of the current state of affairs regarding cops stopping people with visible clips.

Also I realize some of my advice on the subways may have been confusing, I just couldn't come up with better descriptions in some cases. It will be clearer once you see it. Also I was on the trains the other day and several times the conductor stopped his car somewhere further ahead or behind that striped "sign". But they were close to it. Again plan accordingly. No plan survives first contact with NYC.

[TGS]

I doubt any LE is going to have a ruler on them at the scene to tell an 1/8".

Smartphones are pretty ubiquitous these days.

[DownZero]

True! I guess I just revealed what a tech idiot I am. And how old. Totally forgot those. I try not to use one. Too much of an invasion of my privacy. Thanks for the reminder.