New Gen 3 Glock 19 FTE

[HammerStriker]

So I purchased a new G19 Gen 3 and have had 3 FTE in ~200 rounds. I grip pistols firmly, so don't think its "limp wristing" induced. Have never had a malfunction with my G17 (over 700 rounds). Factory ammo was used (WWB, fiocchi, Remington UMC). Pretty sure the malfunctions were with WWB and Remington ammo. Not sure what to make of this...

[GJM]

So I purchased a new G19 Gen 3 and have had 3 FTE in ~200 rounds. I grip pistols firmly, so don't think its "limp wristing" induced. Have never had a malfunction with my G17 (over 700 rounds). Factory ammo was used (WWB, fiocchi, Remington UMC). Pretty sure the malfunctions were with WWB and Remington ammo. Not sure what to make of this...

Might be time for an Apex extractor.

[4RNR]

Have someone else try, to eliminate anything that could be you

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[GJM]

Have someone else try to eliminate anything that could be you

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I have a slightly different take. For a defensive pistol, the gun should run if you hold it one or both hands, firmly or loosely.

[TheNewbie]

I have a slightly different take. For a defensive pistol, the gun should run if you hold it one or both hands, firmly or loosely.

GJM, what is your opinion on Glocks and limp wristing? Do you think caliber matters?


I do agree, the gun should work regardless of how strongly it’s held.

[4RNR]

I have a slightly different take. For a defensive pistol, the gun should run if you hold it one or both hands, firmly or loosely.True but screen names don't mean much and there could be a user issue regardless of gun

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[GJM]

GJM, what is your opinion on Glocks and limp wristing? Do you think caliber matters?


I do agree, the gun should work regardless of how strongly it’s held.

Some pre Gen 5 Glocks sprinkle brass all over, making it at times painful to wear a short sleeve shirt. Gen 5 Glocks throw the brass out a country mile. Just spit balling, but the weaker the extraction/ejection, the more important grip is. Pretty sure Randy Lee installed the first Gen 3 Apex extractor in my wife’s FDE 17, fixing her reliability issues.

It used to be, if you wanted to carry a Glock, you put up with weak extraction. Between Gen 5 pistols with the breach face cut, or an Apex in Gen 3/4 pistols with weak extraction, you don’t have to put up with weak extraction with a Glock.
If I had one that wasn’t reliable, I would fix it or send it down the road, and replace it with one that ran.

[TheNewbie]

Some pre Gen 5 Glocks sprinkle brass all over, making it at times painful to wear a short sleeve shirt. Gen 5 Glocks throw the brass out a country mile. Just spit balling, but the weaker the extraction/ejection, the more important grip is. Pretty sure Randy Lee installed the first Gen 3 Apex extractor in my wife’s FDE 17, fixing her reliability issues.

It used to be, if you wanted to carry a Glock, you put up with weak extraction. Between Gen 5 pistols with the breach face cut, or an Apex in Gen 3/4 pistols with weak extraction, you don’t have to put up with weak extraction with a Glock.
If I had one that wasn’t reliable, I would fix it or send it down the road, and replace it with one that ran.


Have you noticed any difference between Gen 5 9s and .40 ejection wise?

[G19Fan]

I have a slightly different take. For a defensive pistol, the gun should run if you hold it one or both hands, firmly or loosely.

I agree a defensive pistol must run one or two handed limp or not.

Did you lube the gun prior to shooting it?

[GJM]

Have you noticed any difference between Gen 5 9s and .40 ejection wise?

Both eject great and I believe it is because of the breach face cut in the Gen 5 pistols, starting with when they added forward serrations.

[HammerStriker]

Have someone else try, to eliminate anything that could be you

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It was 3 FTEs in 200 rounds. Not really looking to have someone put boxes of ammo through my pistol. With that said, there are pages and pages of reports on various forums regarding Gen 3 Glock stovepipes and FTEs. I'm not sure why so many respond by accusing the shooter. I have owned probably 15 different pistols of all different types. Only malfunctions I've experienced are from Glocks, a 9mm 1911, and a Px4 storm (range gun). No malfunctions with other striker-fired polymer pistols like: PPQ M2, M&P 2.0, CZ P10c.

EDIT: BTW, I regret selling the M&P 2.0...an amazing an highly underrated pistol.

[pangloss]

I'd replace the extractor, and probably go ahead and spring for the Apex part.

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[pastaslinger]

I think it's really hard to diagnose problems without video, it just turns into guessing based off of memories

[HammerStriker]

I think it's really hard to diagnose problems without video, it just turns into guessing based off of memories

Probably true. Although I did replace the factory trigger with a new OEM G17 trigger (don't like the grooves on the stock trigger). Wondering if that may have something to do with it. Maybe I messed something up during reassembly? I was very careful and think everyone was put back in correctly... Or maybe its a "break-in" thing. I had a Glock tech/customer service person tell me to break it in using 124 grain instead of 115...

EDIT: Also, I live in CA, so using factory 10 round mags.

[noguns]

I installed the ejector from the gen 5 trigger mechanism in my gen 3 rtf2. That alone helped with ejection in that particular pistol. I prefer my gen 5 pistols overall, but that is my only older glock that does not smack my forehead with brass.

47208 is the part number.

[JAH 3rd]

I have a slightly different take. For a defensive pistol, the gun should run if you hold it one or both hands, firmly or loosely.

Amen!!

[JTQ]

So I purchased a new G19 Gen 3 and have had 3 FTE in ~200 rounds.
Factory ammo was used (WWB, fiocchi, Remington UMC).


I had a Glock tech/customer service person tell me to break it in using 124 grain instead of 115...

At your OP, I would have bet all of your ammo was 115gr ball.

I don't know if this is your issue, but...

It seems as if much of the 115gr ball ammo on the shelves these days is loaded light, probably as a cost savings issue, or perhaps a quality control issue. In any case, light loaded ammo with a gun designed to handle NATO level, and +P and +P+ ammo, with a new/fresh recoil spring, seems to have problems you describe.

This seems to be a common issue with a variety of firearms, and is usually not a problem with full power 115gr ammo, or training ammo in 124gr or heavier weight. It also seems to be a short term issue. After a couple of hundred rounds the guns seem to feed whatever cheap ammo you want, just not the cheap, lightweight stuff, when new.

[littlejerry]

At some point in the early Gen4 teething issues Glock release an updated ejector specifically for 9mm. Later on my high mileage Gen3 developed weak ejection (after replacing the barrel and a broken locking block). Upgrading to the gen 4 parts actually fixed it for me

[4RNR]

It was 3 FTEs in 200 rounds. Not really looking to have someone put boxes of ammo through my pistol. With that said, there are pages and pages of reports on various forums regarding Gen 3 Glock stovepipes and FTEs. I'm not sure why so many respond by accusing the shooter. I have owned probably 15 different pistols of all different types. Only malfunctions I've experienced are from Glocks, a 9mm 1911, and a Px4 storm (range gun). No malfunctions with other striker-fired polymer pistols like: PPQ M2, M&P 2.0, CZ P10c.

EDIT: BTW, I regret selling the M&P 2.0...an amazing an highly underrated pistol.

I'm not accusing but "HammerStriker" doesn't instantly let the reader know who that person is. Just like 4RNR doesn't.

I don't know you, your abilities or level of knowledge. So giving someone else a mag or two worth of 9mm to try isn't too big of a deal.

I've been shooting glocks for years. Have owned all the gens. Early on, 15 years ago or so, I had an issue with a used G23, which now I'm almost positive was due to me limp wristing even though I didn't have that problem with other guns. Sold it and years later when I bought another there was no problems but I was also a better, more experienced shooter.

All the 9mm Glocks I've owned I never experienced malfunctions, btf, fte, or stove pipes. All but the gen5 were police trades and bought used. All are stock. I'm not into customizing stuff. If it works, great! If not, adios!! Up until the purchase of the gen5 I've been carrying a gen3 19 since 2007 or so and it was already used back then. The gun I use in class is a beat up gen3 G17 from Fairfax VA PD. In classes and range I mostly use Russian ammo I barely clean the things and after almost 20 years I finally had the springs on the gen3 19 replaced, which were rusty and worn yet you wouldn't know it by shooting. I can't tell you how weak or strong the brass ejection is/was because as long as the bullet is going forward, the brass somewhere away and the mags down I'm good.

I did avoid the early gen4 but that's because I avoid anything new. Let others pay to figure out the bugs. I don't need to be the first one on the block with a new toy

[Joe Mac]

Maybe I messed something up during reassembly?

Make sure you have the extractor depressor plunger oriented correctly: the shiny metal end should be visible against the back of the extractor.

Beyond that, as already mentioned, mouse-fart 115 practice ammo could be the culprit until the recoil spring wears in a bit.

[JonInWA]

Switch out the extractor with a current production one from Glock. Use 124 gr quality factory ammunition; Sellier & Bellot or American Eagle are my go-to default suggestions. As mentioned, insure your EDP assembly is properly installed.

Do not go to aftermarket components until you have tried Glock ones; the best way to introduce a cascade of issues with a Glock is to throw aftermarket components in them.

If the issue persists with Glock components, contact Glock Customer Service; if LEO, have your Armorer contact the Regional LEO Rep.

Glock 10 round G17 and G19 magazines are noted to have had issues, particularly with jacketed hollowpoint duty rounds; at Glock Armorers courses they are discouraged from duty use. If it's a magazine issue, try the Magpul 10 round magazines in place of the Glock ones.

Best, Jon

[pastaslinger]

Probably true. Although I did replace the factory trigger with a new OEM G17 trigger (don't like the grooves on the stock trigger). Wondering if that may have something to do with it. Maybe I messed something up during reassembly? I was very careful and think everyone was put back in correctly... Or maybe its a "break-in" thing. I had a Glock tech/customer service person tell me to break it in using 124 grain instead of 115...

EDIT: Also, I live in CA, so using factory 10 round mags.

The low hanging fruit is the 10 round OEM mags which don't work that well in Glocks

[Mitch]

Send it back to Glock. I had a 26 with ejection issues and they paid shipping both ways to fix it.

[Mark D]

I had teething problems with a Gen 3 G19 manufactured and purchased new in late 2020. Unlike numerous other Glocks I've owned, this one had a number of stoppages early on - FTF, FTE, etc. Mags were a contributing factor, but were not the entire problem.

So I used LL's "Almost Guaranteed to Work fixes for Gen4 Glock 9mm issues" (pistol-forum.com) (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?19739-LL-s-quot-Almost-Guaranteed-to-Work-fixes-for-Gen4-Glock-9mm-issues-quot). I got to No. 2 on the list when the stoppages, well, stopped. I think the gun needed a little help from the Gen 4 extractor and HRED. It's got about 5500 rounds now and runs like a top.

FWIW, I think Glock's QAQC may have slipped in 2020 and 2021 due to supply chain issues and unprecedented demand. Not saying your pistol falls into this category, just an observation based on my sample size of 1.

[SwampDweller]

I think Glock's QAQC may have slipped in 2020 and 2021 due to supply chain issues and unprecedented demand. Not saying your pistol falls into this category, just an observation based on my sample size of 1.


This is certainly possible. It seems like almost entirely across the board there has been a marked drop in QA/QC with most manufactured products in general. However, I will say this. Since the onset of madness starting in March 2020, there have only been three pistol manufacturers I haven’t had any customers bring back to send to the mothership with RMAs: HK, Glock, and Beretta. Granted, the Berettas sold were all 92/M9 series, can’t speak for the other models. I’ve actually been surprised by the number of Sigs and S&W’s that have had to go back. Also a lot of Rugers including revolvers.

For the OP, as others have said, the factory 10rd magazines are a frequent culprit. Is there any way to get some good condition preban mags just to test? I have no idea how scarce and expensive they are there.

[Sig_Fiend]

Glocks prior to the updated Gen5 variants with the breech face cut generally have weak and inconsistent extraction and ejection (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?44737-The-breechface-groove-in-Gen5-Glocks&p=1117939&viewfull=1#post1117939). For many, most of the time, maybe there isn't an obvious issue. Add some tolerance-stacking, component wear, factory defect, or ammo-related issues in the mix and it might become much more apparent.

[HCM]

I had teething problems with a Gen 3 G19 manufactured and purchased new in late 2020. Unlike numerous other Glocks I've owned, this one had a number of stoppages early on - FTF, FTE, etc. Mags were a contributing factor, but were not the entire problem.

So I used LL's "Almost Guaranteed to Work fixes for Gen4 Glock 9mm issues" (pistol-forum.com) (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?19739-LL-s-quot-Almost-Guaranteed-to-Work-fixes-for-Gen4-Glock-9mm-issues-quot). I got to No. 2 on the list when the stoppages, well, stopped. I think the gun needed a little help from the Gen 4 extractor and HRED. It's got about 5500 rounds now and runs like a top.

FWIW, I think Glock's QAQC may have slipped in 2020 and 2021 due to supply chain issues and unprecedented demand. Not saying your pistol falls into this category, just an observation based on my sample size of 1.

This ^^^^

I have used steps 1,3 and 4 to address FTE in multiple Gen 3 and Gen 4 POW Glocks at work.

Have also used the HRED (step 2) in personal guns.


Not guaranteed to work.

Caveat emptor

Unload your weapon three times and then go to another room that doesn't have ammo in it before starting. I'm not liable for stuff you break nor if your Glock isn't 1000% reliable afterwards and therefore you die on the streets.

Install a 30274 ejector $7, even if your 9mm Glock isn't a Gen4.
Install a White Sound H.R.E.D $15
Polish the top and bottom horizontal surfaces of the extractor with something light like say toothpaste and this Dremel wheel. You want the extractor to slide in out and smoothly, like using cornstarch in a Zentai suit. Just a light polish.
Get the latest RSA (recoil spring assembly) by calling Glock's customer service or ordering online
Test fire. The best way to see if you've fixed the problem is to use weaker range ammo, not high powered NATO or carry ammo
If you still have the problem, grab an APEX extractor and install per the instructions. I recommend just ordering and installing this, the HRED, and the ejector (if you don't have it) along with checking with Glock to make sure you have the latest and greatest RSA (recoil spring adapter) in order to save yourself time.


These steps have worked for me and others I know. My Gen4 G17 gobbled up Wolf, Tula, Blazer, carry ammo, and WWB with aplomb and good ejection last weekend in the rain and sleet at the GreenOps Defensive Pistol I class.

Re 10 round Glock Mags - some have reported better results with the 10 round Glock mags from Magpul vs factory 10 rounders. They are cheap and worth a try.

[L-2]

3:200 rounds is low and infrequent to hope for a solution or to i.d. a problem.
The OP seems expert enough to notice a problem, but also can't identify a cause, if there is one to be found.

What is "FTE" by the way? It could mean failure-to-extract or is the casing being extracted but not getting ejected, or a failure-to-eject.

As Glock's quality is fairly stable and good, I'd mostly suspect a random batch of inadequate ammo. Although not brass-cased, I'll often get partially extracted and unejected spent casing shooting steel-cased ammo regularly with various 9mm pistols, including my Glocks. These guns seem to work 100% with brass-cased ammo.

If it was me (former Certified Glock Armorer, just expired cert) I'd totally detail strip the slide and frame; carefully examining all parts for any visual anomalies and how the parts were assembled. I agree with a prior post in double-checking the "EDP" orientation (extractor-depressor-plunger).

Otherwise, I'd try a box of fairly high carry ammo (not cheap, I know); and then open up a new case of practice ammo (again, not cheap). Hopefully, it is good to occasionally practice various "FTE" malfunctions at the range anyway. If you reach a comfortable level, say maybe 30 rounds in a row with the carry ammo (not a full box of 50) perhaps that'll be good enough as that may be all a person is carrying anyway. If you're usually carrying 100 rounds total, then maybe go up in the max limit of getting 100% function in a row. Two hundred rounds is nice to achieve or even 2,000 rounds in a row, but only a lot of shooting will get to that comfort level.

If there's something truly wrong, I suspect Glock will have an owner pay the shipping back to Glock without some definite identification of a breakage or warranty issue, but call Glock just in case there's some known problem which has occurred within the OP's batch of G19gen3 guns.

Or, a person could cut his losses right now and sell off the gun, returning to the M&P series which some folks really like.

I'm a "Glock-guy" and mostly carry Glocks, but I've had so many over the years, not all were 100%, but only one I never bothered to send back after not being able to diagnose (a G29gen2) and moved on from it.

If the OP has more-or-less unlimited funds, I'd also consider buying another new G19gen3 if I wanted to try another one and to hopefully have a good one as a basis to determine the 1st G19gen3 was truly the issue, although the OP does say he's got a G17 without problems. This 2nd G19gen3 could be used to, one-at-a-time, substitute parts into the 1st G19gen3 in hopes of identifying a specific problematic part.

[GJM]

Question on Glocks pistols with weak extraction/ejection. Is the consensus that these problems come from issues with the extractor/ejector and related slide parts AS OPPOSED to issues with the slide? Reason I am asking, is I have a new to me Gen 4 19 slide I want to send for milling, and I haven’t shot it much. I don’t mind replacing slide parts but I would hate to have Maple Leaf do their thing and have it turn out I have a bad slide.

[newyork]

Recently bought a g19.5 and looking at selling m&ps to get a 34. 10rd state. I recently got over the fear of the 10rd fear I had the 12 other times I had and sold Glocks without actually having those issues but I don’t shoot as much as most here.

Shit.

[HCM]

Question on Glocks pistols with weak extraction/ejection. Is the consensus that these problems come from issues with the extractor/ejector and related slide parts AS OPPOSED to issues with the slide? Reason I am asking, is I have a new to me Gen 4 19 slide I want to send for milling, and I haven’t shot it much. I don’t mind replacing slide parts but I would hate to have Maple Leaf do their thing and have it turn out I have a bad slide.

Most of the problematic Gen 3/4 guns I saw at work had one common denominator- when you detail stripped the slide, the extractor fit tightly in the extractor cut of the slide. They would have to be pried out as opposed to dropping out.

I never measured the extractor cut and extractor to see which was out of spec. I simply went straight to polishing the top and bottom of the extractor on the principle of always modify the cheaper part.

[Flashman]

Assuming it is a new gun, contact Glock to get a label and send it back. It should work. If it is a Davidson's gun, take it back to the gun store so they can ship it back.

I have had many problems with Gen4 19's related to light strikes and ejection. It has been a very long, expensive and frustrating journey of many years. The result was a more intimate knowledge of the Glock platform than wanted but still lacking. First, I went down the rabbit hole of ammo problems from possible high primers to defective primers. Changed reloading procedures, size and shape, returned factory ammo for analysis, etc., but ultimately concluded over a couple of years that the root cause was not ammo. Second, looked at the components themselves. With respect to extraction/ejection it appears this was resolved by the recommendations of Dobbs and others (see various threads in PF) to replace the extractor with an Apex, replace the LCI bearing and spring and use the updated (don't remember the number) factory ejector.

Lastly, the light strike phenomenon was more elusive. Ultimately this focused on the striker channel and striker channel tube which must be kept absolutely clean and dry. But it also required a heavier Wolff striker spring. I had 2000 problem free rounds until two weeks ago when there was another light strike. The striker spring was replaced and no problems since.

I am on my third G19 Gen4 and the two previously were replaced by the distributor/manufacturer. My Gen5 has been problem free. However, I may send this one back eventually if it starts acting up again. The bottom line however is that a replacement will probably have the same problems so am just kicking the can down the road.

[SwampDweller]

The bottom line however is that a replacement will probably have the same problems so am just kicking the can down the road.

Is this an inherent problem with Gen 3? I remember Glock having issues with brass to face and malfunctions when they switched small parts suppliers a decade or so ago, but I figured it had been long since resolved.

For 9mm, I guess Gen 5 is where it's at.

[pangloss]

Recently bought a g19.5 and looking at selling m&ps to get a 34. 10rd state. I recently got over the fear of the 10rd fear I had the 12 other times I had and sold Glocks without actually having those issues but I don’t shoot as much as most here.

Shit.

I had a 10-round G17 mag back during the dark days of the Clinton AWB. I didn't put a lot of round through it, but it never gave me any problems.

[pangloss]

Question on Glocks pistols with weak extraction/ejection. Is the consensus that these problems come from issues with the extractor/ejector and related slide parts AS OPPOSED to issues with the slide? Reason I am asking, is I have a new to me Gen 4 19 slide I want to send for milling, and I haven’t shot it much. I don’t mind replacing slide parts but I would hate to have Maple Leaf do their thing and have it turn out I have a bad slide.

My guess is that the problem is predominantly from the small parts and not the slide. In the "almost guaranteed to fix extraction problems" thread that was a sticky for a while, the emphasis was on small parts. The one pistol I remember having with substandard ejection was helped with small parts replacement. However, the correct answer is probably closer to "usually small parts, but sometimes the slide."

I've had two aftermarket slides made by different companies in which the extractors were located farther away from the breech face than on factory guns. If I were going to send a slide off for milling, I'd take a careful look at that little gap first. It was easy to see on my slides, but hard/impossible to photograph so I don't have pics to share.

[M2CattleCo]

I have a slightly different take. For a defensive pistol, the gun should run if you hold it one or both hands, firmly or loosely.


I agree. It’s also why I gravitate towards the 17 as I have observed them to be less geip sensitive and more reliable than 19s and 26s.

[GJM]

I agree. It’s also why I gravitate towards the 17 as I have observed them to be less geip sensitive and more reliable than 19s and 26s.

I think Gold Dot 124+ P makes Glock 19 and 17 pistols more reliable, especially with an imperfect grip or if run dry.

[HammerStriker]

I think Gold Dot 124+ P makes Glock 19 and 17 pistols more reliable, especially with an imperfect grip or if run dry.

I think Glocks are produced to run nato spec ammo, which is 124 grain. I used 115 grain in a new Glock. It has nothing to do with grip or lube, the 115 grain ammo is not high powered enough to cycle the slide when the recoil spring is brand new and not broken it. Source: Glock technician. /Thread.

[steve]

I took a Gen 3 26 that was over 10 years old to Glock in Smyrna about a month ago. I had them put Ameriglo Night Sights on it. I told the armorer it didn't need anything as it was hardly ever shot and was a safe queen. He came out 45 minutes later with the new sights, a new magazine, new recoil spring, new springs in the slide, new ejector/trigger, small springs changed etc. I am not sure if the extractor was replaced as I type this.

I took it to the range and it ran great with Lawman 115 grain ammo. With WWB 115 grain and Blazer Brass 115 grain it was throwing brass back at me and ejecting weakly. I don't believe it is extractor related but I do believe it is Recoil Spring related. The old recoil spring was one of the black ones. The new recoil spring is silver and captured. It didn't jam or malfunction and I am happy with it but it does not like soft ammo. (Glock customer service was great).

I believe Glocks should work with any quality 9mm factory ammo loaded to SAAMI specs. A long time ago I trouble with some of my Gen 3 26's when the Gen 4's came out. I bought some old/new recoil springs and still have them. When I get time I will swap them out and run some rounds through both types of springs to see if that is the issue.

[M2CattleCo]

I think Glocks are produced to run nato spec ammo, which is 124 grain. I used 115 grain in a new Glock. It has nothing to do with grip or lube, the 115 grain ammo is not high powered enough to cycle the slide when the recoil spring is brand new and not broken it. Source: Glock technician. /Thread.


Lube, no. Grip? Yes. They are very grip sensitive.

I was on the range with a couple of new female LE last year and they were having trouble with the 19 and 45. Handed them a couple of stock Gen5 17s and all malfunctions vanished. Just like they always do.

[TheNewbie]

Lube, no. Grip? Yes. They are very grip sensitive.

I was on the range with a couple of new female LE last year and they were having trouble with the 19 and 45. Handed them a couple of stock Gen5 17s and all malfunctions vanished. Just like they always do.

Why do you think the 17 makes such a difference? Did you see that big of a difference in non Gen 5 versions of the 17?

[M2CattleCo]

Why do you think the 17 makes such a difference? Did you see that big of a difference in non Gen 5 versions of the 17?

Lighter recoil spring. 17s always run better than anything smaller.

[HammerStriker]

Lube, no. Grip? Yes. They are very grip sensitive.

I was on the range with a couple of new female LE last year and they were having trouble with the 19 and 45. Handed them a couple of stock Gen5 17s and all malfunctions vanished. Just like they always do.

Bro, it's not my grip. I'd bring you to your knees with my grip, been practicing jiu jitsu and lifting weights for a good portion of my life. And I've owned several Glocks, including gen 3 19 and gen 4 19 in the past. Its the ammo. I'm being cheep because of high ammo prices. I used to buy 124 and have been purchasing 115 lately. I also haven't dry fired/racked the side much on this gun, since I picked up two more new guns around the same time.

[steve]

Bro, it's not my grip. I'd bring you to your knees with my grip, been practicing jiu jitsu and lifting weights for a good portion of my life. And I've owned several Glocks, including gen 3 19 and gen 4 19 in the past. Its the ammo. I'm being cheep because of high ammo prices. I used to buy 124 and have been purchasing 115 lately. I also haven't dry fired/racked the side much on this gun, since I picked up two more new guns around the same time.

It isn't you or the ammo. That gun should run on 115 grain ammo, including blazer brass.

[4RNR]

Bro, it's not my grip. I'd bring you to your knees with my grip, been practicing jiu jitsu and lifting weights for a good portion of my life. And I've owned several Glocks, including gen 3 19 and gen 4 19 in the past. Its the ammo. I'm being cheep because of high ammo prices. I used to buy 124 and have been purchasing 115 lately. I also haven't dry fired/racked the side much on this gun, since I picked up two more new guns around the same time.

Then there's an issue with that specific gun.

I buy and shoot nothing but cheap ammo. Mostly Russian 115gr. Blazer aluminum 115, etc.... whatever was the cheapest and on sale. Random brass case that was on sale usually was 115gr. 1000 rounds of Brown Bear 115gr was $137 back in 2016-2019. Geco 115gr was just under $200
I run cheap through everything I own. I've never had that problem. I also don't rack the slides or dry fire to break anything in before going to the range. I literally buy the gun and walk into the range with my shitty steel case ammo. Just bought a Springfield Hellcat Pro and shot 200 rounds of Wolf through it right after the purchase.

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[HammerStriker]

Then there's an issue with that specific gun.

I buy and shoot nothing but cheap ammo. Mostly Russian 115gr. Blazer aluminum 115, etc.... whatever was the cheapest and on sale. Random brass case that was on sale usually was 115gr. 1000 rounds of Brown Bear 115gr was $137 back in 2016-2019. Geco 115gr was just under $200
I run cheap through everything I own. I've never had that problem. I also don't rack the slides or dry fire to break anything in before going to the range. I literally buy the gun and walk into the range with my shitty steel case ammo. Just bought a Springfield Hellcat Pro and shot 200 rounds of Wolf through it right after the purchase.

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Hellcat is not a Glock. You must know more about Glocks than the armorers at Glock. Memory is a sunofabitch. After thinking about it for a while, I recall having a Gen 3 17 that I had a similar issue with. Ran 124 for 100 rounds then no FTE for the next 500 rounds. I'm talking about Gen 3 Glocks here, not exactly the newest tech.

[echo5charlie]

Question on Glocks pistols with weak extraction/ejection. Is the consensus that these problems come from issues with the extractor/ejector and related slide parts AS OPPOSED to issues with the slide? Reason I am asking, is I have a new to me Gen 4 19 slide I want to send for milling, and I haven’t shot it much. I don’t mind replacing slide parts but I would hate to have Maple Leaf do their thing and have it turn out I have a bad slide.

Possibly. In Gen3 and 4 guns I have swapped out known good guts into a problematic slide with no resolution, but in fairness I have had positive results as well. As always, YMMV.


I have also found that the Gen5 with breech face cut (BFC) is not a 100% eliminator of weak ejection, sadly Glock seems to have messed this up as well.

[HCM]

It isn't you or the ammo. That gun should run on 115 grain ammo, including blazer brass.

This^^^.

While Glocks were originally designed around NATO pressure 124 grain ammunition, and Glocks tend to run best with +P/NATO pressure ammunition, they should run on standard 115 grain FMJ.

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This^^^.

While Glocks were originally designed around NATO pressure 124 grain ammunition, and Glocks tend to run best with +P/NATO pressure ammunition, they should run on standard 115 grain FMJ.

The only time I ever had issues was with Blazer Brass 115 grain right after my Gen 2 G19 was sent back from Smyrna with a Gen 3 frame under warranty due to a mag well crack. (Gen 2 frames were no longer available. All internals were updated at the same visit.)

It choked like nobody's business. Next day I went back out with 124 grain FMJ and it's never had an issue since, no matter what it's been fed.

Guess it needed breaking in.

[HCM]

Hellcat is not a Glock. You must know more about Glocks than the armorers at Glock. Memory is a sunofabitch. After thinking about it for a while, I recall having a Gen 3 17 that I had a similar issue with. Ran 124 for 100 rounds then no FTE for the next 500 rounds. I'm talking about Gen 3 Glocks here, not exactly the newest tech.

Whomever you talk to a Glock may be an armorer with extensive experience or they may be a customer service rep who tells customers what they’re told.

The first rule of dealing with gun companies as an individual or an institution is trust no one.

In fact the founder of this forum, who worked for several major gun companies wrote an article about why you shouldn’t trust.

https://pistol-training.com/articles/trust-no-one-an-insiders-perspective/

Second thing, you mentioned “124 grain ammo.” The key distinction regarding Glocks and ammunition is that Glocks were designed around 124 grain NATO spec ammunition. NATO spec /pressure ammunition is equivalent to U.S. +P ammunition.

Shooting standard velocity 124 grain ammo versus standard velocity 115 grain ammo doesn’t matter in terms of function in a full size Glock.

For reference, I’ve been a firearms instructor and an armorer for 15 years and my agency has allowed personal Glock 9mms throughout that time.

If I’m reading correctly you mentioned earlier that you don’t have this issue with other 9 mm Glocks. There is noticeable variation/ tolerance stacking among Glocks. Glock puts out some problematic guns just like any other company. In my experience most of those issues relate to defective or out of spec small parts. Those issues are a cheap easy fix but sometimes the issue is a defective slide or frame.

In trouble shooting glocks I have found the MEAL: Magazines, Extraction, Ammunition and Lubrication; process from AR-15/M4s useful.

I might reverse the order and try different magazines and different ammunition first, then look at extractor issues as discussed up thread. The options are either going to the Apex extractor or polishing the top and bottom of the factory extractor and adding the white sound defense HRED.

[HCM]

The only time I ever had issues was with Blazer Brass 115 grain right after my Gen 2 G19 was sent back from Smyrna with a Gen 3 frame under warranty due to a mag well crack. (Gen 2 frames were no longer available. All internals were updated at the same visit.)

It choked like nobody's business. Next day I went back out with 124 grain FMJ and it's never had an issue since, no matter what it's been fed.

Guess it needed breaking in.

In my experience, across multiple platforms there is a bigger difference in reliability between aluminum and steel cased ammunition vs brass cased ammunition than between bullet weights.

Even so, the service sized Glocks are particularly tolerant of aluminum and steel cased ammunition compared to other platforms. The exception being when one is using the Magpul Glock magazines. The slightly reduced internal capacity necessitated by an all polymer magazine combine with the additional fraction of steel and aluminum cases tends to be a bad combination. The Magpul mags run great with brass cased ammo though.