Glock Gen 5 Magwells? Duty Oriented.

[Magsz]

Hey guys,

For the past six years i've been using an ALG magwell on duty and I absolutely adore the thing. It has prevented my gun from getting chewed up in the car and also during uses of control on pavement. I've never had to worry about my pistol getting dragged through the muck because the magwell seems to take the brunt of all of the abuse.

Fast forward to this month and I, along with my agency am finally transitioning to 9mm guns.

I am looking for a similar style magwell to the ALG for my Glock 17.5. I really like the high and pronounced lip on the ALG Magwell. I like the fact that it really locks my strong hand into the gun and provides a nice ledge for my support hand pinky which I apply counter pressure with. I am looking for a similar shape in a possible replacement magwell.

So far, this what i've found that may fit the bill:

Taran Tactical Competition magwell
Carver Big Mouth or Tactical
Dawson Precision

Did I miss anything? Anyone have any thoughts on the above? I'll get a pic of the crusty ass old duty gun here shortly :)

Thanks guys! Feel free to post pics for reference.

[dcf1981]

The Edgar Sherman Design magwell is probably the best I’ve used so far. However my experience has been limited to the Zev and SLR and ESD in Gen 5 Glocks. I wish that ALG and Raven will eventually make Gen 5 magwells as they are my preference in Gen 3/4’s.

[GJM]

I have a Taran Gen 5, but the mags hang up dropping free. I believe, unlike the Gen 4 that work great, the Gen 5 mag opening shape may make mag wells hard to do.

[babypanther]

I ran the ALG on duty, loved it for the same reasons. I went to the Dawson magwell, i have enjoyed it for the same reasons I liked the ALG.


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[Shadow]

SLR Rifleworks makes a well executed Gen 5 magwell.

[WobblyPossum]

I believe FBI SWAT is running the SLR Rifleworks magwell on their guns.

[Sig_Fiend]

Although I haven't used it, based on appearance alone, the Carver open magwell (https://www.carvercustom.com/ecommerce/custom-magwells-glock-xd-xdm/custom-glock-magwells/aluminum/carver-g17-g22-big-mouth-glock-magwell-all-gen-s-2992.cfm) looks pretty substantial like the ALG AFM.

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[HCountyGuy]

While not the same style, I've particularly enjoyed my Overwatch Precision Magwell.



I have a Taran Gen 5, but the mags hang up dropping free. I believe, unlike the Gen 4 that work great, the Gen 5 mag opening shape may make mag wells hard to do.

Have you tried grinding down the set screw? I've had to grind down the screw for a few magwells where the mag wouldn't drop free. Don't have to remove much, maybe 2-3 threads but it definitely helps.

[Magsz]

The Edgar Sherman Design magwell is probably the best I’ve used so far. However my experience has been limited to the Zev and SLR and ESD in Gen 5 Glocks. I wish that ALG and Raven will eventually make Gen 5 magwells as they are my preference in Gen 3/4’s.

I don't care for the ESD magwell. It's a good product but it seems a tad excessive in its design. I'm not saying it cant happen but i've never had a mag so stuck in the gun that i've had to tear it out. I've had to strip mags out of of guns but not to the point where those cutouts would really be required. At least in my mind. Also, I feel like the points on the front for the cutout should have been radiused more. It's a good magwell, its just not my favorite.


I have a Taran Gen 5, but the mags hang up dropping free. I believe, unlike the Gen 4 that work great, the Gen 5 mag opening shape may make mag wells hard to do.

I have a Taran on the way to try. That's a bit of a bummer.


While not the same style, I've particularly enjoyed my Overwatch Precision Magwell.

I have three of these. They're a very nice design but not quite as beefy as i'd like. I can see myself destroying one of these to the point where I may end up crushing the magwell resulting in a mag being unable to be removed.




Have you tried grinding down the set screw? I've had to grind down the screw for a few magwells where the mag wouldn't drop free. Don't have to remove much, maybe 2-3 threads but it definitely helps.

Question. What would grinding down the screw do?

EDIT: I royally screwed up that multi quote attempt.... :)

[HCountyGuy]

Question. What would grinding down the screw do?

When the screw is too long it tends to push in on the back portion of the magwell wall on both the magwell itself and the gun. Too much of this pressure from the screw generally tends to bind the mags from dropping free as they're being somewhat squeezed on the back end. Grinding the screw down alleviates that.

[GJM]

When the screw is too long it tends to push in on the back portion of the magwell wall on both the magwell itself and the gun. Too much of this pressure from the screw generally tends to bind the mags from dropping free as they're being somewhat squeezed on the back end. Grinding the screw down alleviates that.

I have a different theory. The Gen 4 mag well opening is straight, unlike the Gen 5 which is flared. To get the Taran mag well on, even without a retaining screw, it pinches the mag well shape, and I believe that is what causes binding.

[Magsz]

I have a different theory. The Gen 4 mag well opening is straight, unlike the Gen 5 which is flared. To get the Taran mag well on, even without a retaining screw, it pinches the mag well shape, and I believe that is what causes binding.

It's probably a little from column A and a little from column B. There are quite a few people doing Gen 5 magwells without any issue these days so I'm not entirely sure we can blame it solely on that.

[Magsz]

Update:

I received my Taran Gen 5 magwell and installed it.

Zero complaints other than the fact that some of my mags had to be relegated to training duty as they would not drop free. Other's were absolutely slick as snot and dropped right out.

The mag would bind around the magazine catch cutouts on its way out of the magwell. Super weird.

My partner also got a Dawson Precision magwell. I like his alot but I think I like my Taran marginally better for one reason alone.

With one hand on the gun, I feel like the Dawson pushes my hand higher on the grip.

With two hands on the gun, I feel like my Taran locks my support pinky in better.

I have yet to try a Carver but that may be next as I'm curious about their tactical magwell.

[GJM]

SLR Rifleworks makes a well executed Gen 5 magwell.


I believe FBI SWAT is running the SLR Rifleworks magwell on their guns.

I just got one. Gosh, it is humongous — both the inside opening dimension and how large it is on the pistol. Not sure I care for the bulk it adds at the bottom front of the grip.

What I really like is the Gen 4 Agency EDC magwell for the 19, what is the closest Gen 5 equivalent?

[WobblyPossum]

I just got one. Gosh, it is humongous — both the inside opening dimension and how large it is on the pistol. Not sure I care for the bulk it adds at the bottom front of the grip.

What I really like is the Gen 4 Agency EDC magwell for the 19, what is the closest Gen 5 equivalent?

I’m not familiar with any Gen 5 magwells I would consider low profile. I see that Agency makes a magwell for Gen 5 guns. Have you taken a look at that one?

[GJM]

I’m not familiar with any Gen 5 magwells I would consider low profile. I see that Agency makes a magwell for Gen 5 guns. Have you taken a look at that one?

Only on the website and the pictures aren’t great as none are of it on the pistol. It is listed as duty as opposed to EDC like the Gen 4, but I am not sure how the actual dimensions differ.

[Utm]

I just got one. Gosh, it is humongous — both the inside opening dimension and how large it is on the pistol. Not sure I care for the bulk it adds at the bottom front of the grip.

What I really like is the Gen 4 Agency EDC magwell for the 19, what is the closest Gen 5 equivalent?

The overwatch precision magwell is pretty low profile imo

[HCM]

I believe FBI SWAT is running the SLR Rifleworks magwell on their guns.

They are on the current 19M MOS.

The large lip GJM mentioned was a factor in why they selected it.

They previously ran 1911s and then Glock 17 with minus connectors. My understanding was the magwell was a compromise in order to go with the G 19 instead of a 17 or 45 and still provide a gun with pinky support for those with larger hands. Test data indicated some people can switch back and forth between iron sight guns and RDS guns more easily than others. It was unclear when the rest of the bureau would be adopting or allowing RDS equipped guns and since SWAT is generally a collateral duty, they didn’t want those agents switching back and forth between RDS pistols for SWAT stuff and irons only pistols for plainclothes duties.

[TheKuduKing]

They are on the current 19M MOS.

The large lip GJM mentioned was a factor in why they selected it.

They previously ran 1911s and then Glock 17 with minus connectors. My understanding was the magwell was a compromise in order to go with the G 19 instead of a 17 or 45 and still provide a gun with pinky support for those with larger hands. Test data indicated some people can switch back and forth between iron sight guns and RDS guns more easily than others. It was unclear when the rest of the bureau would be adopting or allowing RDS equipped guns and since SWAT is generally a collateral duty, they didn’t want those agents switching back and forth between RDS pistols for SWAT stuff and irons only pistols for plainclothes duties.

Since I retired that firearms program has become increasingly divorced from reality.

[HCM]

Since I retired that firearms program has become increasingly divorced from reality.

I was skeptical about the eye thing as I had no issues switching back and forth before we approved dots.

I’ve re-assessed since running RDS transitions for a few hundred of our folks and seeing some interesting eye issues.

[TC215]

Since I retired that firearms program has become increasingly divorced from reality.

What about not wanting agents switching back and forth between optics and irons is divorced from reality?

[Eyesquared]

I guess what I am not tracking is why anyone would have to switch back and forth between RDS and irons. I would think you can buy a G17 MOS and G19 MOS and optics for each for less than the price of a Springfield Professional.

Edit: As I am re-reading it sounds like an agent who is otherwise authorized in policy to carry a RDS gun while doing SWAT stuff would not be authorized to carry an RDS gun while doing plainclothes work? Sounds crazy to me but I guess I have heard from people that the FBI is strict on what is and isn't allowed in terms of duty guns and duty gun modifications.

[GJM]

If I was running things, there would be a separate pistol qual for iron sights and a red dot.

[TC215]

I guess what I am not tracking is why anyone would have to switch back and forth between RDS and irons. I would think you can buy a G17 MOS and G19 MOS and optics for each for less than the price of a Springfield Professional.

Edit: As I am re-reading it sounds like an agent who is otherwise authorized in policy to carry a RDS gun while doing SWAT stuff would not be authorized to carry an RDS gun while doing plainclothes work? Sounds crazy to me but I guess I have heard from people that the FBI is strict on what is and isn't allowed in terms of duty guns and duty gun modifications.

SWAT has always had multiple pistols as far as I know, i.e. Glock 22 and Springfield Pro, Glock 17 and 19M, etc. The G45 was heavily favored in the testing process for the new “program gun” (SWAT pistol). Logistically, it was easier to stick with the 19M MOS. They didn’t go with the G45 because they SWAT agents carrying their dot gun all the time, and the 19 is easier to conceal. Guys would bitch about the 17/45 being too big and would probably end up carrying their regular issued 19M instead.

I don’t believe SWAT guys have ever had two program pistols issued. HRT, on the other hand….

[HCM]

I guess what I am not tracking is why anyone would have to switch back and forth between RDS and irons. I would think you can buy a G17 MOS and G19 MOS and optics for each for less than the price of a Springfield Professional.

Edit: As I am re-reading it sounds like an agent who is otherwise authorized in policy to carry a RDS gun while doing SWAT stuff would not be authorized to carry an RDS gun while doing plainclothes work? Sounds crazy to me but I guess I have heard from people that the FBI is strict on what is and isn't allowed in terms of duty guns and duty gun modifications.

The FBI uses the Henry Ford approach to duty weapons (you can have a car in what ever color you want, as long as that color is black..). So yes, quite strict. Grip tape, Grip sleeves and Vickers magazine base plates. That's it.

Right now RDS are limited to SWAT and Firearms instructors and part of gradually phasing in RDS. With 13,000 gun carriers scaling issues are real and you don't "YOLO" life or death gear.

FBI SWAT dropped SA Pro's several years ago for G17's with minus connectors. The only Pro's still in use are previously approved / grandfathered personally owned guns which can be carried for non SWAT use. Those G17's are now being replaced with G19M MOS with RMRs.

SWAT Agents can use their SWAT gear (armor, carbines etc) for non SWAT duties. Eye variance aside, issues are: those duties are in plainclothes, some of those duties require actual concealment rather than "cop concealment), and even if you are a big dude the G17 conceals about as well as a box of Wheaties due to it's shape.

[HCM]

If I was running things, there would be a separate pistol qual for iron sights and a red dot.

That doesn't address the issue of some people having trouble switching back and forth between the two.

[Lon]

I’m running this on my duty G19.5 MOS. CHPWS Speed Feed polymer. They make brass ones, I believe, if you want more weight.

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[GJM]

That doesn't address the issue of some people having trouble switching back and forth between the two.

This should be its own thread.

[pastaslinger]

That SLR magwell looks great. What magwell works best with OEM flush fit mags though? Also, does anyone know compatibility with Arredondo mags? I care more about the gen 3 and 4 frames.

[Magsz]

I have two more magwells incoming.

I have the Dawson Ice and the Carver Tactical magwell.

When they arrive I will post some pictures comparing them to the Taran.

I also have Overwatch magazine wells for anyone that may be interested in seeing pictures of that compared to these.

[GearFondler]

I have two more magwells incoming.

I have the Dawson Ice and the Carver Tactical magwell.

When they arrive I will post some pictures comparing them to the Taran.

I also have Overwatch magazine wells for anyone that may be interested in seeing pictures of that compared to these.Comparison pics of all of those would be great!

[pastaslinger]

Does anyone know compatibility of overwatch precision and SLR magwells with Glock +2 and Arredondo +6 basepads for gen 3?

[heyyouduh]

Revival. For those of you with a G19.5 and TTI carry magwell, it looks like the more vertical shape (versus a SLR or Overwatch, for example, with a more protruding lip), gives your pinky an extra few mm of real estate, is this true? I have an overwatch magwell and while it does a good job of "locking" or scrunching your pinky and hand up, I wish it had more vertical real estate. If I understand their site correctly you'd also need TTI base plates (I plan on using +0), which makes me think it is longer and therefore will give me some additional real estate. Can anyone confirm/deny this? Thanks.

[HCM]

Revival. For those of you with a G19.5 and TTI carry magwell, it looks like the more vertical shape (versus a SLR or Overwatch, for example, with a more protruding lip), gives your pinky an extra few mm of real estate, is this true? I have an overwatch magwell and while it does a good job of "locking" or scrunching your pinky and hand up, I wish it had more vertical real estate. If I understand their site correctly you'd also need TTI base plates (I plan on using +0), which makes me think it is longer and therefore will give me some additional real estate. Can anyone confirm/deny this? Thanks.

Yes but the TTI also kind of restricts you to TTI mag extensions.

Where as SLR still works with regular factory mags

[heyyouduh]

Yes but the TTI also kind of restricts you to TTI mag extensions.

Where as SLR still works with regular factory mags

yes that part does suck,

I went with the overwatch as SLR was out of stock everywhere and they look similar. Maybe will give it a try.

[J.Roy]

I run a SLR on my 19.5 and I’m pretty happy with it. Locks my hand in well and works with factory baseplates.