Bleeding Trauma Kit that fits in a single AR15 mag pouch?

[RevolverRob]

Setting up a micro chest rig and want to keep things light and simple. I see SOAR Rescue makes a Bleeding Control kit that fits in an AR mag pouch: https://shop.soarescue.com/collections/medical/products/med-mag-bleeding-als - Curious if anyone knows of any other kits out there that are similar? I'm fine getting a SOAR kit, I just want to evaluate options and typing, "IFAK/FAK that fits in M4 mag pouch" - isn't getting me much.

[Zincwarrior]

Setting up a micro chest rig and want to keep things light and simple. I see SOAR Rescue makes a Bleeding Control kit that fits in an AR mag pouch: https://shop.soarescue.com/collections/medical/products/med-mag-bleeding-als - Curious if anyone knows of any other kits out there that are similar? I'm fine getting a SOAR kit, I just want to evaluate options and typing, "IFAK/FAK that fits in M4 mag pouch" - isn't getting me much.

Note: The kit you linked does not appear to have a tourniquet.

[RevolverRob]

Note: The kit you linked does not appear to have a tourniquet.

Yes, I will mount a TQ separately, you just can't get a viable TQ and FAK into a single magazine pouch.

[theJanitor]

What rig are you intending to go with? A "mini-dangler" add alot of space without adding much to the footprint.

The new Shaw placard has room for four mags (so you can burn one for the med packet), and attach the TQ holder under the placard

[RevolverRob]

What rig are you intending to go with? I "mini-dangler" add alot of space without adding much to the footprint.

The new Shaw placard has room for four mags (so you can burn one for the med packet), and attach the TQ holder under the placard

I have a Ferro Mini Chesty and I'm planning to run their super simple 3-mag TEAR front. Since the whole rig is intended as a 'bump in the night'/low profile evac where I will have access to more magazines and tools - Two 30-rounders plus the one in my gun is sufficient for my needs on the rig. I want it thin enough to hide under a light jacket. And light enough/thin enough to throw in the bag with my Rattler.

[PNWTO]

I think Eleven-10 used to, or still does.

[theJanitor]

I have a Ferro Mini Chesty and I'm planning to run their super simple 3-mag TEAR front. Since the whole rig is intended as a 'bump in the night'/low profile evac where I will have access to more magazines and tools - Two 30-rounders plus the one in my gun is sufficient for my needs on the rig. I want it thin enough to hide under a light jacket. And light enough/thin enough to throw in the bag with my Rattler.

I have one of those as well, and the spiritus mk5. My emergency configuration is using the placard as a "purse". I changed the ends of a Spiritus back strap to use as a shoulder strap, and it's easier to don, than dealing with all the straps of a chest rig, and I can still hide it under a jacket.

I'm faster donning a plate carrier than a chest rig. the "purse" is by far the fastest

[RevolverRob]

I have one of those as well, and the spiritus mk5. My emergency configuration is using the placard as a "purse". I changed the ends of a Spiritus back strap to use as a shoulder strap, and it's easier to don, than dealing with all the straps of a chest rig, and I can still hide it under a jacket.

I'm faster donning a plate carrier than a chest rig. the "purse" is by far the fastest

Do you have an around the body strap as well, or are you just slinging it across the offside?

[theJanitor]

Do you have an around the body strap as well, or are you just slinging it across the offside?

Over the left neck/shoulder with a single strap.

My placard is set up to go on the PC with First Spear tubes. The strap doesn't modify any of that connection setup. I can pop off the shoulder strap and clip the placard straight onto the PC

[PNWTO]

I have one of those as well, and the spiritus mk5. My emergency configuration is using the placard as a "purse". I changed the ends of a Spiritus back strap to use as a shoulder strap…

I think I’m tracking your description but any pics would be insightful.

[theJanitor]

The coyote rig is a SHAW Concepts, with the RDS (rear document stacker) behind it. The grey is a Spiritus Mk4 Microfight with an AXL pouch, and a Spiritus pouch. I used a Spiritus chest rig backstrap and changed to female clips to attach to the placard. Just wear it cross-body

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[theJanitor]

https://www.instagram.com/p/Ca-p8TwLhTO/?utm_medium=copy_link

Spiritus made a post about this configuration recently and it’s very similar to what I’m doing. Of course, none of this was my idea and I just copied/adapted it for myself.

Lots of room or adaptability for the original med kit question

I’ve converted every spare placard I have to this configuration as the cost was only about $15 to add a strap and clips


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[rd62]

I really like that Spiritus Crossbody setup

[Chuck Whitlock]

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I took a BFG Ten-Speed 6 Pack Bandolier, and stuffed the three pouches on the back side with the contents of a TacMed DOK.

https://www.blueforcegear.com/ten-speed-m4-6-pack-bandolier.html

https://tacmedsolutions.com/collections/trauma-ifak-medic-mass-casualty-kits/products/tacmed-downed-officer-kit

[Chuck Whitlock]

I know that OSOE has a medical insert tray that fits into an M4 pouch, but you're on your own for the contents to fill it.

https://www.originalsoegear.com/collections/medical/products/medical-insert-tray

[TGS]

I know that OSOE has a medical insert tray that fits into an M4 pouch, but you're on your own for the contents to fill it.

https://www.originalsoegear.com/collections/medical/products/medical-insert-tray

I used that for a while overseas prior to my roo-pouch style IFAK arriving, and there's no way it will fit into a single M4 pouch. I used it in a double-mag pouch/utility/radio pouch on end of my rhodesian rig, and as the directions by SOE state clearly on their website it could barely even squeeze in to that. Moreover, it was so tight that I had concerns of being able to easily deploy it.

RevolverRob,

I don't think it meets your "simple" criteria, but if you make your own you'll end up with a better product. I hesitate to call the minimalist kits "IFAKs", as they don't address what an IFAK should. They all carry that Phrog tape, which is pretty marginal in use. Some have Quick Clot EMS Gauze or the Celox Ribbon, which are both reduced-size gauze when the full-size is strongly preferred. In addition, the mini-bandage is also pretty marginal. I'm just pointing this out for the general benefit of the forum because a lot of people carry extremely minimalist medical gear because they're still called IFAKs, giving them the impression they fulfill TCCC standards...but are "low profile" (oooOOOoo sexy!) and are typically lower cost as well, which is attractive. For instance, that kit you found is pretty slick as a grab-n-go COTS solution, but based off the price alone I'm guessing they're using Quick Clot EMS roll...QC Combat Gauze on its own costs almost as much as the entire kit, so I think it's unlikely that's in there.

Fact is, they're substandard and do not fulfill the requirements of a real IFAK. Granted you're doing it for the right reason, that being this kit is supposed to prioritize a flat, low profile for concealment. But, here's two ways you can end up with a better kit that uses full size components:

Base for kit #1:

Fold a chest seal to fit the width of the mag pouch. The chest seal's use is self-explanatory, but this will also be your smooth, semi-stiff "backer" that other things attach to and allow your kit to slide in and out of the pouch.

Base for kit #2:

Find some spare tamper-proof plastic packaging, that shit that is a PITA to take your new electronics out of after purchasing in a store. Cut it into the rough size of an M4 mag profile. Take pre-cut strips of your preferred tape (I still have Gecko tape on hand I use for this) and wrap it around the piece of plastic long ways or sideways. Leave little folded-over edges at the start to use as pull-tabs when you're using it in the field. Not only does this provide you better tape than phrog tape to use for improvising a chest seal, but this will serve as your smooth, semi-stiff backer that other things attach to and allow your kit to slide in and out of the pouch.

Other components for both Kit #1 and #2:

You then directly attach your other components to the expedient "backer" using tape...it serves a similar role to the SOE insert mentioned above, while also being a piece of useable equipment instead of just "packaging". At the very least you can use a fullsize Celox or QuickClot Combat Gauze instead of the QuickClot EMS roll or the Celox ribbon, which is a huge improvement. Then, instead of using the really marginal mini bandage, you can just use either a SWAT-T or a piece of actual ACE bandage that is cut to size (2x wraps around the thickest part of your thigh should fit, more depending on leg size) and will do a much better job than the mini bandage.... ST911 can back me up that a high quality elastic bandage like ACE or the NAR ETD makes a good difference in the effectiveness of the bandage compared to a cheap elastic. Note, you probably won't be able to fit the NAR ETD (I couldn't), but I haven't used your specific pouch so you may want to try the 4" flat fold NAR ETD and just see whether it fits or not. Or, you could just use another z-folded regular fluff gauze instead of a bandage...other items can be used as field expedient bandages (even the z-fold gauze), while the z-fold gauze also gives you the ability to pack additional live threatening wounds or use it as a backer for particularly large wounds. Remember, a proper TCCC-"compliant" IFAK carries both a hemostatic gauze AND a regular fluff gauze for this reason, not one or the other. You can easily fit a set of rolled gloves taped onto this setup as well.

Depending on the pouch characteristics, you can also fit an NPA or decompression needle. I've carried both kit style #1 and #2 using QC Combat Gauze, z-fold gauze, gloves, NPA, and decompression needle for a few years now when wearing suits. I used an elastic M4 belt pouch.

Why:

Remember the priorities of care under TCCC, the patient care algorithm, MARCH:

Massive Hemorrhage
Airway
Respirations
Circulation
Hypothermia

While a space blanket like in the kit you found is nice to have, and indeed a real IFAK should have one, it's incorrect in my opinion to prioritize fitting it in a kit instead of using that space for proper components to address the higher priority interventions. They are higher priority for a reason...not only do you have a greater chance of dying from them, you will die from them quicker and you will have a greater chance of reversing their effects given early, proper intervention. The best treatment for traumatic hypothermia is stopping blood loss as quick as possible anyway, so IMO it makes the most sense to carry "proper" gear for the first 3 before worrying about the latter two, especially so if you're compromising by using marginal-quality components for M, A, and R.

[ST911]

Good stuff already posted. Some thoughts:

Starting from pouch size rather than required contents is backwards, but sometimes reality.
Mag pouch isn't an IFAK pouch, and slightly bigger gives you more options. Lots of options, pouch only if you don't want the contents.
NAR M-FAK: https://www.narescue.com/all-products/medical-kits.html
TMS Operator IFAK: https://tacmedsolutions.com/collections/trauma-ifak-medic-mass-casualty-kits/products/tacmed-solutions-operator-ifak
Those are about the smallest size footprint I like to work with.
There's no sub for a manufactured TQ, but a lot of other things you wear or find work on problems.
Trauma dressings are nice, but control wrap and gauze does the same work.
Look at how components are packaged, and go smallest.
Small gauze: https://tacmedsolutions.com/products/compressed-gauze vs bulky roll of krink or large flat-pack like the Z-Pack
Control wrap, not Walmart or Walgreens ace-rolls: https://tacmedsolutions.com/products/control-wrap
Rescue essentials has small-pack flat fold option in 4": https://www.rescue-essentials.com/premium-elastic-wrap-flat-folded/
NAR's version: https://www.narescue.com/nar-mini-responder-4-in-etd.html
Chest seals are nice, but not a necessity. Just make one.
Flat-fold tape like @TGS (https://pistol-forum.com/member.php?u=941) describes above works. Lots of ways to do that.

I think the major benefit to a chest seals in an IFAK, esp for the non-medic/immediate responder, isn't what the chest seal does. It's a tangible reminder to think about and go looking for a problem that needs it.

Most of the time for stuff like this, the more you know - the less you need.

There are fewer options in component packaging right now, thanks Putin.

[theJanitor]

AXL has a med organizer insert for the mk4: https://www.axladvanced.com/collections/spiritus-upgrades/products/medical-organizer-insert