Holosun EPS & EPS Carry - Enclosed 407K/507K

[davisj]

Holosun is releasing enclosed micro dots that fit the 507k footprint. I’m unclear on the difference between the two. Should pair nicely with the Wilson 365X frame I ordered yesterday. Time to find another 365x…

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[pastaslinger]

Damn I want these and now wish I didnt have RMR footprints

[NH Shooter]

Nice. I also appreciate the more understated branding on the sight instead of the screaming-in-your-face white used on other 407/507 models.

[davisj]

Looking closer, it appears there are two window sizes with one footprint. It’ll be interesting to see the width dimensions on the larger window version. Looks like the larger one doesn’t have built in rear sights.

[backtrail540]

While enclosed emitter is my preference, I'm over top down screws and greatly prefer the no fuss clamp mounting systems like on my 509t and wish they would've taken it that direction.

This makes sense from a marketing perspective though. Fits the cuts already out there and will give those folks a chance to go enclosed emitter without changing anything so i get it.

My opinion is worth little though since I'm content with bigger optics and 19 sized pistols so i won't be a consumer of this regardless. My hope is that the industry trends toward clamp style pistol optics though, maybe with a standard slot print so factory options will mount several clamp style optics.

Nice to see holosun turning out options though.

[RJ]

Amazing.

A company that responds to customer demand (enclosed optic, no new weird proprietary mounting (eh, Trijicon?) standard, muted graphics on their controls, solar array on their CCW optic) and produces a product to meet it. Good for Holosun. The IPX8 rating (functions in water over 3', as I understand that standard) is a plus as well.

Will be interested in the reticle choices; maybe the difference is one has the circle/dot+circle/dot and one has dot-only?

Agree with backtrail540 on the rail mount. I'd like to see the industry head that way as well. A slide on / clamp system such as the Nighthawk IOS System pointed out in another thread offers significant advantages. My guess is this is coming, but will take a bit more for the players to shake out and unify in the marketspace before that happens.

[HeavyDuty]

K cut = RMS-C?

Very interesting. I’m still unlikely to go Holosun, but I’m glad they are releasing these - it may help push the market towards compact enclosed emitter RDS.

[JCN]

I will likely buy many. Seems like a great choice for a lot of carry options.

[JCN]

Looking closer, it appears there are two window sizes with one footprint. It’ll be interesting to see the width dimensions on the larger window version. Looks like the larger one doesn’t have built in rear sights.

I am guessing it'll be RMS width (G19 slide) and RMSC (G43) width.

[GJM]

I am guessing it'll be RMS width (G19 slide) and RMSC (G43) width.

Isn't it an RMR cut, not the RMS?

Would make me be reluctant to direct mill for a 509T, as that footprint didn't seem to get traction. A RMSc/K, RMR, and Acro range of footprints would seem to cover the range.

[backtrail540]

Isn't it an RMR cut, not the RMS?

Would make me be reluctant to direct mill for a 509T, as that footprint didn't seem to get traction. A RMSc/K, RMR, and Acro range of footprints would seem to cover the range.

The copy says K footprint, so it looks like two widths with that same footprint. I'm assuming one for the thin guns like 43x mos, shield plus, 365 etc...and one for those running the k footprint on 19 sized or regular width slides.

[GJM]

The copy says K footprint, so it looks like two widths with that same footprint. I'm assuming one for the thin guns like 43x mos, shield plus, 365 etc...and one for those running the k footprint on 19 sized or regular width slides.

Look at the two optics in the picture -- the screw hole widths are different, so they can't both be a K footprint?

[WobblyPossum]

Look at the two optics in the picture -- the screw hole widths are different, so they can't both be a K footprint?

Screw hole spacing looks the same to me. The one on the right has more material outside of the screw holes than the one on the left but the amount of material on the inside of the two holes looks the same. How many people had full-size slides cut for the thinner Shield footprint?

[GJM]

How many people had full-size slides cut for the thinner Shield footprint?

Nine, and eight were by mistake, when they were confused between RMS and RMSc.

Looking again, I agree with you on the hole spacing. I guess we will wait to find out.

[psalms144.1]

Looks like the EVO next to the 509T, based on size...

Disregard, I'm a dumbass. 509T doesn't mount that way. So an enclosed 507 (evo) and enclosed 507K (evo). I don't doubt I'll buy one, try it, find the lighting adjustments not workable for me on a compact carry pistol, and pass it along at a loss, like everything else I've tried so far.

[HeavyDuty]

Isn't it an RMR cut, not the RMS?

Would make me be reluctant to direct mill for a 509T, as that footprint didn't seem to get traction. A RMSc/K, RMR, and Acro range of footprints would seem to cover the range.

The IG post in the first post states “No. Both sizes will fit the K cut.” What is the K cut?

[Noah]

The IG post in the first post states “No. Both sizes will fit the K cut.” What is the K cut?

The 407K and 507K use a modified RMSC footprint with no rear lugs. That is what both of these new optics use.

[RJ]

The IG post in the first post states “No. Both sizes will fit the K cut.” What is the K cut?

One suspects "K cut" = "The same cut we currently make for the 407k/507k".

[HeavyDuty]

The 407K and 507K use a modified RMSC footprint with no rear lugs. That is what both of these new optics use.
Thanks! I can’t see how removing lugs is a good thing, but there are a lot of their optics out there that seem to be staying put without them.

[Noah]

Thanks! I can’t see how removing lugs is a good thing, but there are a lot of their optics out there that seem to be staying put without them.


Holosun said it was necessary on the 407K and 507K to get the size they wanted with the level of waterproofing they wanted. Guess the rear lugs would impede the fully enclosed electronics.

[JCN]

I have not had any issues without the lugs.

I usually use a little bit of E6000 to distribute the shock and load.

[CCT125US]

One looks to have an integrated BUIS.

[Noah]

One looks to have an integrated BUIS.


Yes, the same as the existing 407K/507K

[WobblyPossum]

One looks to have an integrated BUIS.

It looks to be the thinner one. Some of the slimline optics-ready guns like the P365 series have the rear sights mounted to the optics plate so when you mount an optic, you lose the rear sights. The 507k/407k, which should be the same width as the thinner of these two optics, had the built in rear sight to make up for the lack of rear irons on some of the slimline guns. This wasn’t generally a problem on regular double-stack guns so it makes sense the wider optic doesn’t have the built in irons.

[GJM]

Curious why the larger one would be K rather than the RMR footprint? Certainly there are many more mid size pistols running the RMR footprint.

[DMCutter]

Curious why the larger one would be K rather than the RMR footprint? Certainly there are many more mid size pistols running the RMR footprint.

That would sort of cannibalize the 509t market but would allow mounting significantly lower profile and presumably keeping standard height sights. I would consider replacing a 507c or RMR with a direct mount closed emitter assuming the window wasn't a shit ton smaller.

While I have no complaints with the current 507ks on my pocket pistols, closed emitter, solar backup, and auto brightness might prompt me to switch, or more likely buy yet another gun to put one on🤔

[davisj]

I called Holosun for some replacement screws for another optic and while talking with the technician I asked him about these. He said he’d been using one on a slimline (didn’t mention specific host) for a few months and it is working well.

Per the technician these will be 6 MOA dot only, no dot/circle/circle dot option. First runs will be red and he assumes green will follow some months later. Targeted ship to customers in June.

Oh, and I bought a 365X at lunch as a future host for this along with the Wilson frame I ordered yesterday. Also ordered a Tenicor Certum.

I’d blame ALL of you for this but I started this thread and was one of the first to comment on the Wilson availability so I’ll go sit quietly in the corner and think about what I did to myself…🤣

[Bergeron]

Man, if these could get mounted directly to a RMR-cut slide, or if a RMR-cut slide could be further modified to make this work, then I'm on board.

[Up1911Fan]

Had a 407k and can't get on board with a 6MOA dot. Otherwise these would be exactly what I want for my pair of P365X's.

[GJM]

Had a 407k and can't get on board with a 6MOA dot. Otherwise these would be exactly what I want for my pair of P365X's.

The 6 moa dot is far more resistant to splatter with sun angles, compared to their legacy 2 moa dot. Since a circle only isn't an option, I am delighted with 6. Am using a 407K with a 6 on a 365XL, and my morning testing in low sun angles confirms the value of the larger dot.

[David S.]

The 6 moa dot is far more resistant to splatter with sun angles, compared to their legacy 2 moa dot. Since a circle only isn't an option, I am delighted with 6. Am using a 407K with a 6 on a 365XL, and my morning testing in low sun angles confirms the value of the larger dot.

Seems like the 8 moa circle would check a lot of boxes here.

[GJM]

Seems like the 8 moa circle would check a lot of boxes here.

I'm not sure what the technology limitations are, but ideally you would be able to switch between 2, 6, 8 eight and the large circle only on each of their optics.

[Clusterfrack]

I'm intrigued by the larger-than-window circle in Primary Arms ACSS reticle--especially in small windows.

[boing]

I'm intrigued by the larger-than-window circle in Primary Arms ACSS reticle--especially in small windows.

When I read the 509t was getting the ACSS reticle, I hoped Holosun was moving towards offering more reticle choices across their line. Pair the 250moa circle with other center dot/circle choices, maybe getting rid of the quandrant hash marks on the 32moa circle, etc… These models don’t lend any support to that idea.

[Clusterfrack]

When I read the 509t was getting the ACSS reticle, I hoped Holosun was moving towards offering more reticle choices across their line. Pair the 250moa circle with other center dot/circle choices, maybe getting rid of the quandrant hash marks on the 32moa circle, etc… These models don’t lend any support to that idea.

I think Holosun would need to license the ACSS reticle, so that's probably a disincentive.

[MVS]

I called Holosun for some replacement screws for another optic and while talking with the technician I asked him about these. He said he’d been using one on a slimline (didn’t mention specific host) for a few months and it is working well.

Per the technician these will be 6 MOA dot only, no dot/circle/circle dot option. First runs will be red and he assumes green will follow some months later. Targeted ship to customers in June.

Oh, and I bought a 365X at lunch as a future host for this along with the Wilson frame I ordered yesterday. Also ordered a Tenicor Certum.

I’d blame ALL of you for this but I started this thread and was one of the first to comment on the Wilson availability so I’ll go sit quietly in the corner and think about what I did to myself…🤣

If 6 MOA is true, when you can get these I will replace the 507K on my 365XL with one of these.

[mrozowjj]

The 6 moa dot is far more resistant to splatter with sun angles, compared to their legacy 2 moa dot. Since a circle only isn't an option, I am delighted with 6. Am using a 407K with a 6 on a 365XL, and my morning testing in low sun angles confirms the value of the larger dot.

We are of too minds because I agree with eveyrthing you posted in this thread so far.

Even though the copy says it takes the 407k footprint it does appear as though there is a second wider one. It would make far more sense for them to have a fully enclosed option that fits the RMR footprint as that is the most common large frame slide cut and a second that uses 407K/RMSc footprint as that is the most common slim-line cut than it would for them to have a slim and a wide version that both use the 407k/RMSc footprint.

If they make it in the RMR footprint they will sell it to tons of people that already have the 407/507c that want an enclosed dot but don't want to go to a different footprint... even if the 509/ACRO style of cross bolt is technically more robust and better on a pistol there are far far more guns out there with RMR cuts right now.

Plus if it uses an RMR footprint it opens up to be using on PCCs, rifles, crabines etc because there's already dozens of RMR pic rail mounts out there.

I also like big dots and I cannot lie. With my eyes they work better in almost every lighting situation and I see almost no disadvantages to a larger 6 MOA dot at all especially on a pistol or any rifle intended for CQB.

I have shot a 2" group @ 25 yards with a bone stock Glock 19 than has a RMR 6.5 MOA dot on it so there are zero issues being very accurate with a bigger dot.

[Noah]

The screw holes on an RMR footprint are much farther forward from the rear of the sight than the 507K/RMSc footprint. Don't you think if they could have done it, they would?
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[David S.]

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It looks to me like maybe the optic on the left is designed to fit the 0.83" - 0.87" slimline / single stack slide width (G42/G43/G48) with a K cut. The second optic is for the 1.0" standard / double stack slide width (G17/19) with a K cut.

[jellydonut]

Holosun keeps outdoing itself with the enclosed emitter optics, and our Western competitors keep turning out gigantic mailboxes that no one in their right mind would put on a pistol if there was a smaller footprint alternative.

It seems the Chinese have been copying us for long enough that they're now outdoing us.. is it too late to turn the tide?

[Savage Hands]

Where the hell is Vortex at? These are the pistol red dots that they should be releasing? :mad:

[mrozowjj]

The screw holes on an RMR footprint are much farther forward from the rear of the sight than the 507K/RMSc footprint. Don't you think if they could have done it, they would?
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While I see what you mean the distance of the screw holes from the rear of the optic don't matter, what matters is the distance from the front recoil bosses to the screw holes.

It is possible the overall optic length is shorter.

Until we get a photo of the underside we can't really know.

If this is just a wider optic on the 407k mount it would be absolutely silly. It would be even sillier of them to not release a version that uses the RMR mount in the future.

[MVS]

Where the hell is Vortex at? These are the pistol red dots that they should be releasing? :mad:

Well they couldn't get their originals right so not sure if they are up to the challenge of something new. Vortex are the only MRDS for pistol I have tried so far that were so failure prone I vowed to never try them again.

[HCM]

Where the hell is Vortex at? These are the pistol red dots that they should be releasing? :mad:


Well they couldn't get their originals right so not sure if they are up to the challenge of something new. Vortex are the only MRDS for pistol I have tried so far that were so failure prone I vowed to never try them again.

Various Industry influencers have been dropping hints for years that Vortex was working on a significant upgrade to their pistol optics line.

This is one of those things that has been “coming soon “for three or four years.

[TicTacticalTimmy]

I would have preferred if they instead used their 509T mount or a new mini version of that, but these do look like interesting options.

The larger one would pair great with a CZ75 or 1911.

[call_me_ski]

So these should work with a 43x MOS and a thin plate from CHPWS?

If so I’ll be getting one of the smaller ones.

[davisj]

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[Noah]

So these should work with a 43x MOS and a thin plate from CHPWS?

If so I’ll be getting one of the smaller ones.

Yes.

[call_me_ski]

Well I sucked it up and bought a 509T for my duty gun when the ACTO P1 turned out to be a battery hog. Looks like I will have to suck it up and put a Holosun on my EDC as well.

[RJ]

https://youtu.be/weVt3CNbXYo

[HCM]

https://youtu.be/weVt3CNbXYo

You saw the malfunction with the G48 ..;-)

[mrozowjj]

The videos I am seeing confirm both the narrow and wider version use the 407k/507k moutning footprint. No RMR footprint for it as of yet.

That news combined with the solar version optic completely killed my interest in this.

[vandal]

I have a CHPWS 507K shim plate for my P320 Pro cut in the parts bin. Presumably this would allow mounting of the EPS on my P320 slide. I'm not sure what-if-any advantage that would provide vs using the 509T plate.


The videos I am seeing confirm both the narrow and wider version use the 407k/507k moutning footprint. No RMR footprint for it as of yet.

That news combined with the solar version optic completely killed my interest in this.

[Elwin]

Various Industry influencers have been dropping hints for years that Vortex was working on a significant upgrade to their pistol optics line.

This is one of those things that has been “coming soon “for three or four years.

This would be great, since certain 1911 builders (*cough* Ed Brown and Kimber) keep cutting their dot ready guns for the Venom. Because I apparently should want to spend $2000 on a carry 1911 and then use a solidly hobby grade dot with it…

[HCM]

This would be great, since certain 1911 builders (*cough* Ed Brown and Kimber) keep cutting their dot ready guns for the Venom. Because I apparently should want to spend $2000 on a carry 1911 and then use a solidly hobby grade dot with it…

No guarantee the new “wonder dot” from Vortex will fit the venom footprint. In fact I would be very surprised if it did since RMR/DPP/ACRO seem to be the three most common.

The logic you’re talking about from Ed Brown and Kimber is par for the course with them.

At least the Ed Brown is usually actually a $2000. 1911 for $2000.
The Kimber is a $700.1911 that Kimber put lipstick on and sells for $2000.

I have one of the Springfield loaded operators with RMR and have been pretty pleased with it so far. It’s essentially a Long Beach Operator with the Trijicon 1911 mount installed by SA. And it’s well under $2k including the RMR.

[Elwin]

No guarantee the new “wonder dot” from Vortex will fit the venom footprint. In fact I would be very surprised if it did since RMR/DPP/ACRO seem to be the three most common.

The logic you’re talking about from Ed Brown and Kimber is par for the course with them.

At least the Ed Brown is usually actually a $2000. 1911 for $2000.
The Kimber is a $700.1911 that Kimber put lipstick on and sells for $2000.

I have one of the Springfield loaded operators with RMR and have been pretty pleased with it so far. It’s essentially a Long Beach Operator with the Trijicon 1911 mount installed by SA. And it’s well under $2k including the RMR.

Your point about footprints makes sense, unfortunately for those who own Venom footprint guns.

I really like my iron sighted Brown EVO. I’m not doing dots yet but I still find it disappointing they crippled the optic versions of this gun with a footprint that, as far as I know, doesn’t support any carry-worthy dots. To be fair to them I think the Holosun K series was only just on the horizon when the EVO was developed, but it still needs a better optic.

I’m not going dots any time soon but I’m watching developments with interest since, given I’m pretty young, it seems inevitable I’ll make the switch someday. Small closed emitter options like the new Holosuns look like a major step towards rifle optics levels of viability (especially for mounting to thinner slides like 1911s).

[Controlledpairs2]

Sorry if this is a dumb question, but K footprint should mean it has the same deck height and will use the same screws as the 407k/507k?

[GJM]

Sorry if this is a dumb question, but K footprint should mean it has the same deck height and will use the same screws as the 407k/507k?

I think that is still to be determined. For example, the RMR and Holosun share the same footprint, but use different length screws.

[Controlledpairs2]

I think that is still to be determined. For example, the RMR and Holosun share the same footprint, but use different length screws.

That makes perfect sense sir. Thank you.

[HeavyDuty]

I’m chasing down SHOT coverage about the EPS Carry and SPS here and elsewhere, and I have to say these new products may be enough to get me to overcome my reluctance to try Holosun. That, and an extremely favorable customer service experience last week regarding a different product of theirs I picked up, I was looking for information about flip up caps for a 503 and they sent them out free of charge.

JCN has me looking hard at a P365XL, and it took me a moment to realize an EPS Carry might be my ideal RDS for that.

[NH Shooter]

My CHPWS plate for the PPQ is arriving today for the 407K/507K sans rear BUIS (https://chpws.com/product/walther-ppq-q4-q5-to-holosun-407k-507k-with-integrated-rear-sight/). If it meets my expectations, I'll send the slide to them for the milling.

My plan is to roll with a 407K in green, then pick up an EPS Carry later in the year. I'll keep the 407K as a back-up.

[JCN]

JCN has me looking hard at a P365XL, and it took me a moment to realize an EPS Carry might be my ideal RDS for that.

I think that's probably going to wind up being my eventual carry setup (but with an X slide rather than XL).

[davisj]

For me, the 365X balances, tracks and shoots better than the XL. Similar to the difference between a G17 and a G19X/G45.

Jus received my WC grip module and weights today. Should have mounting screws for my 507K Saturday and if all goes as planned I’ll begin carrying it when not carrying a 320X Carry or Compact.

Once the EPS Carry is available I’ll probably mount one on the 365X and move the 507K back to a Maple Leaf milled 43X.

[MVS]

My CHPWS plate for the PPQ is arriving today for the 407K/507K sans rear BUIS (https://chpws.com/product/walther-ppq-q4-q5-to-holosun-407k-507k-with-integrated-rear-sight/). If it meets my expectations, I'll send the slide to them for the milling.

My plan is to roll with a 407K in green, then pick up an EPS Carry later in the year. I'll keep the 407K as a back-up.

Maybe you already stated this somewhere else but, why are you putting a "compact" sight on a regular size gun?

[TAZ]

Well, they are up on the Holosun web site as both Red and Green. The footprint being the same for both the Full and Slim sizes is interesting. Seems those who have milled for the RMR footprint are not going to be able to "upgrade". Glad I only have 1 milled slide. I'm sure we will see adapter plates for these from folks like CHPWS for most guns.

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[GJM]

Looking at the website, the EPS (not the EPS Carry which is smaller) has the same display size as the 507C.

[NH Shooter]

Maybe you already stated this somewhere else but, why are you putting a "compact" sight on a regular size gun?

I figured that question would come up. ;-)

Several reasons;


The PPS has a narrow slide, starting at 1.15" wide at the base tapering to about .8" at the top. The "carry" size fits the profile of the slide better.
The 407K/507K has a larger window than the RMR, so nothing is lost in comparison to that optic
The 407K/507K has the rudimentary rear BUIS built into it, so I am foregoing a separate BUIS in the rear to leave the window as uncluttered as possible
I do intend to CC the pistol, so the smaller sight works better in that regard

The newer Walther PDP has a square profile slide so the larger MRDS optics fit that much better.

Since I'm rolling with CHPWS plates, I can change to any other MRDS in the future if I'm not happy with the carry size optic.

[tlong17]

Looking at the website, the EPS (not the EPS Carry which is smaller) has the same display size as the 507C.

Would be pretty cool on a Compact PX4 RDO if they ever make a plate for it! More concealable than a 509 it looks like.

[MVS]

I figured that question would come up. ;-)

Several reasons;


The PPS has a narrow slide, starting at 1.15" wide at the base tapering to about .8" at the top. The "carry" size fits the profile of the slide better.
The 407K/507K has a larger window than the RMR, so nothing is lost in comparison to that optic
The 407K/507K has the rudimentary rear BUIS built into it, so I am foregoing a separate BUIS in the rear to leave the window as uncluttered as possible
I do intend to CC the pistol, so the smaller sight works better in that regard

The newer Walther PDP has a square profile slide so the larger MRDS optics fit that much better.

Since I'm rolling with CHPWS plates, I can change to any other MRDS in the future if I'm not happy with the carry size optic.

Your other post said PPQ, here you say PPS. If PPS, I get it.

[GJM]

Your other post said PPQ, here you say PPS. If PPS, I get it.

BTW, where is the new slimline Walther (and HK)?

[Kanye Wyoming]

BTW, where is the new slimline Walther (and HK)?That’s really all I wanted to see.

The Germans pissed at us about something?

[NH Shooter]

Your other post said PPQ, here you say PPS. If PPS, I get it.

My bad, I meant PPQ. I also have a PPS which is my EDC, which will remain as-is;


https://i.ibb.co/r5p29g6/ppq-10.jpg


https://i.ibb.co/ThKcLHP/edc-11.jpg

[Controlledpairs2]

Looking at the website, the EPS (not the EPS Carry which is smaller) has the same display size as the 507C.

Some shot show coverage was reading the spec sheet and the EPS window size was .9x.63.

The 509T window is .9x.66 so that's pretty identical.

If people did have the k footprint on a full sized gun, EPS seems like a no-brainer.

[JCN]

Some shot show coverage was reading the spec sheet and the EPS window size was .9x.63.

The 509T window is .9x.66 so that's pretty identical.

If people did have the k footprint on a full sized gun, EPS seems like a no-brainer.

I know people hate plates but a thin adapter plate can make those RMR cut Glocks into RMS / K footprints easily.

[GJM]

Some shot show coverage was reading the spec sheet and the EPS window size was .9x.63.

The 509T window is .9x.66 so that's pretty identical.

If people did have the k footprint on a full sized gun, EPS seems like a no-brainer.

Looking at the Chip Wiz website, I see they offer a 407/507K adapter plate for the Glock 17/19 and equivalent pistols, and a k plate for the P320. Not sure if this was in coordination with Holosun, as I could not figure out why you would put a small optic line the k on a full size pistol. The EPS makes perfect sense for these pistols and takes away the need for an RMR footprint on MOS type pistols.

[JCN]

Looking at the Chip Wiz website, I see they offer a 407/507K adapter plate for the Glock 17/19 and equivalent pistols, and a k plate for the P320. Not sure if this was in coordination with Holosun, as I could not figure out why you would put a small optic line the k on a full size pistol. The EPS makes perfect sense for these pistols and takes away the need for an RMR footprint on MOS type pistols.

I don’t know about CHPWS motivation but I’ll just mention that the Jpoint/RMS/k footprint was initially for the RMS/SMS which is wider than the compact version that came later.

So the Glock adapter theoretically could be for the wider SMS/RMS that predate the RMSc.

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For example this is an SMS on a Glock MOS plate that you could call a K footprint.

Fits the width perfectly. It’s on a Maxim 9.

[cornstalker]

I don’t know about CHPWS motivation but I’ll just mention that the Jpoint/RMS/k footprint was initially for the RMS/SMS which is wider than the compact version that came later.

So the Glock adapter theoretically could be for the wider SMS/RMS that predate the RMSc.

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For example this is an SMS on a Glock MOS plate that you could call a K footprint.

Fits the width perfectly. It’s on a Maxim 9.

Would that depend on if it had the shorter front lugs and absence of rear lugs? Or are we just talking about hole and lug spacing, generally?

[JCN]

Would that depend on if it had the shorter front lugs and absence of rear lugs? Or are we just talking about hole and lug spacing, generally?

Mainly hole spacing and front to back dimension.

Not all brands of Jpoint/RMSc cuts have full lugs and some that are cut for the general pattern fit everything.

So it’s not consistent that the overall footprint by definition include lugs.

Just like RMR footprint depending on the manufacturer can include press in bosses, no bosses, screw holes or posts.

I don’t find rear lugs to matter as I own a Dremel and am not shy about grinding.

[vandal]

Looking at the Chip Wiz website, I see they offer a 407/507K adapter plate for the Glock 17/19 and equivalent pistols, and a k plate for the P320. Not sure if this was in coordination with Holosun, as I could not figure out why you would put a small optic line the k on a full size pistol. The EPS makes perfect sense for these pistols and takes away the need for an RMR footprint on MOS type pistols.

When I first started experimenting with the P320 coming from a Glock, the overall height of the 320 was borderline objectionable to me even before mounting an dot on top. So I looked for ways to reduce the height and found the CHPWS 507k plate. Wound up putting an RMR on my P320 but I still have the K plate so for once I’m ahead of the game!


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[NH Shooter]

Something else I'm seeing in the EPS specs is "Aspherical Glass Lens with Zero Distortion" which I don't see listed for any of their other MRDS optics (including the 509T).

My Chip Wiz K-plate arrived yesterday and looks good - it's a perfect fit for the narrow-at-the-top PPQ slide. The slide is heading to CHPWS for milling this week.

[cornstalker]

I can't help but ask my standard useless question... Have there been any slips as to when we might reasonably expect to be able to buy one of these?

[NH Shooter]

I can't help but ask my standard useless question... Have there been any slips as to when we might reasonably expect to be able to buy one of these?

Internet rumor is late Q1 / early Q2. I'm likely to wait until they're out for a while to see how they shake out, but I'll be set beforehand with a K-footprint.

[TAZ]

Internet rumor is late Q1 / early Q2. I'm likely to wait until they're out for a while to see how they shake out, but I'll be set beforehand with a K-footprint.

I'll wager Q2 at best give our supply chain issues of late. I remember the X2 line taking forever to become readily available. Suits me just fine as I'll be looking to get a VP9SK-OR to use one of these on.

[HeavyDuty]

Holosun and P365 optic interface virgin here. I see people talking here about missing or modified lugs. Will the 407K fit directly on a P365X/XL with no modifications? If yes I assume the EPS Carry is very likely to do the same.

[Gaston]

I wasn't excited about the EPS until a friend mentioned that my MR920s have the K footprint as an option. I was planning to go 509Ts on them, but if the EPS turns out to not suck then I'll probably go with the EPS and put the 509Ts on some of my other optic cut guns. My only concern is that there will be gaps in front of and behind the EPS on the slide (judging by how the 507K looks on the MR920 slide). I imagine I'll be able to design and 3D print some suitable spacers for that, though.

[tlong17]

Holosun and P365 optic interface virgin here. I see people talking here about missing or modified lugs. Will the 407K fit directly on a P365X/XL with no modifications? If yes I assume the EPS Carry is very likely to do the same.

Yes. It’s the Hellcat that has issues and needs additional milling or plates.

[Noah]

Yes. It’s the Hellcat that has issues and needs additional milling or plates.

And the Shield Plus 9mm and G43X/G48 MOS

[RJ]

Will the 407K fit directly on a P365X/XL with no modifications? If yes I assume the EPS Carry is very likely to do the same.

Yep.

You'll need a 2mm (or 5/64) hex to remove the teeny screws holding the Sig plate on (with rear sight). The 407k goes on with the T10 screws in the Holosun box. Torque to 12-14 in lbs.

83317

[HeavyDuty]

Yep.

You'll need a 2mm (or 5/64) hex to remove the teeny screws holding the Sig plate on (with rear sight). The 407k goes on with the T10 screws in the Holosun box. Torque to 12-14 in lbs.

83317

Thanks for confirming! I pulled the plate yesterday when I was tinkering, I was considering mounting the Swampfox Sentinel I have here but why bother? I’ll wait for the EPS Carry.

[RJ]

I’ll wait for the EPS Carry.

Same here.

Although I'm in Florida, with a lot less ah temperature swing than possibly most, especially in the winter. Definitely interested in picking up an EPS at somepoint, I get the enclosed optic benefits. It is kind of a pain in the butt to clean the interior side of the glass of my 407k. I've also discovered you have to make sure there's no schmutz covering the emitter output, as well.

[NH Shooter]

Same here.

Although I'm in Florida, with a lot less ah temperature swing than possibly most, especially in the winter. Definitely interested in picking up an EPS at somepoint, I get the enclosed optic benefits. It is kind of a pain in the butt to clean the interior side of the glass of my 407k. I've also discovered you have to make sure there's no schmutz covering the emitter output, as well.

Schmutz on your emitter definitely sucks! :-0

My 407K will be replaced by and serve as a back-up to an EPS when they're in the wild.

[Nephrology]

Definitely curious, I have a couple guns cut for 507ks.

[KevH]

I called Holosun yesterday ready to order or pre-order a green EPS.

They said they wouldn't take an order until at least April at the earliest, more likely May.

Sad

[Controlledpairs2]

I called Holosun yesterday ready to order or pre-order a green EPS.

They said they wouldn't take an order until at least April at the earliest, more likely May.

Sad

Sad indeed. I was hoping to grab them up late March. Oh well.

[Erick Gelhaus]

I called Holosun yesterday ready to order or pre-order a green EPS.

They said they wouldn't take an order until at least April at the earliest, more likely May.

Sad

At least they aren't going to take your money and make you wait. I can respect a company saying they're waiting.

[hfrog355]

I emailed John at Maple Leaf about getting a K cut ready to go and he let me know there is some reason to believe the EPS Carry is slightly longer body than 407k/507k. I've elected to wait until some get in hands of dealers/machinists before getting milled.

[Controlledpairs2]

I emailed John at Maple Leaf about getting a K cut ready to go and he let me know there is some reason to believe the EPS Carry is slightly longer body than 407k/507k. I've elected to wait until some get in hands of dealers/machinists before getting milled.

this makes sense. While it's likely to have the same "k" footprint, depending on how deep you intend to cut the slide there might be differences in dimensions as you approach the window. you can see in the 509T, there is a lip that slightly protrudes at the window.

[HeavyDuty]

I have to believe Holosun made it a drop on for the P356X and XL cut given their ridiculous popularity.

[GJM]

This morning, camped in the Sprinter, my wife spilled coffee onto her hoodie and through the fabric into the lens of the 507K on her 365X. She said, now I get the need for a closed emitter optic on a slim line!

[Clusterfrack]

This morning, camped in the Sprinter, my wife spilled coffee onto her hoodie and through the fabric into the lens of the 507K on her 365X. She said, now I get the need for a closed emitter optic on a slim line!

There are not many women who would spill coffee on their outfit and worry about the RDS on their handgun. You married well, GJM.

[RJ]

Since an EPS Carry Red is most likely my next MRDS purchase, I went ahead and created a Preliminary Quick Reference Card for the EPS Carry (Red), based on the current information available.

I noticed a few specific things to highlight, over my current baseline HS407k:

- The battery changed to a 1620
- The MOA change per click is now 1.5 MOA, was 1.0 MOA
- The optic is "IPX8 Certified Waterproof"
- There are now 4 NV brightnesses, vs. 2 before
- Holosun now lists the footprint as "Holosun "K" series."

Preliminary QRC for this optic is attached, in case of interest. I'll cross post this to the QRC thread.

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[GJM]

That is odd on the battery change since a 1620 and 1632 are so close in power and dimensions.

[TAZ]

Stupid question. Are these purged in some way like other sealed optics? I see no mention of a purge on the web site, just an IPX8 rating.


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[GJM]

I was just looking at my 509T on a Glock 19 slide, and the optic protrudes over both sides. If the new EPS has a similar size window as the 509T and is the width of the slide, I could see it replacing the 509T for my use.

[Controlledpairs2]

I was just looking at my 509T on a Glock 19 slide, and the optic protrudes over both sides. If the new EPS has a similar size window as the 509T and is the width of the slide, I could see it replacing the 509T for my use.

Have you found the cross-bolt mounting solution is vastly superior to top-down mounting? I actually haven't but I have limited experience with the 509T and ACRO.

[GJM]

Have you found the cross-bolt mounting solution is vastly superior to top-down mounting? I actually haven't but I have limited experience with the 509T and ACRO.

If the 509T used an Acro footprint I would be more enthused. Since I got Fix it Sticks I really have t had much trouble with screws.

[RJ]

That is odd on the battery change since a 1620 and 1632 are so close in power and dimensions.

Well, in terms of Amp-Hours (power), the 1620 has 81 mAh, the 1632 has 130 mAh (per Energizer data sheets for each). So they've managed to reduce the power cell requirement to approx 60% of the previous battery. Cool. And the 1620 is 1.5-1.65 mm high, the 1632 ranges from 3.00 to 3.20 mm, so the optic internal volume is that much smaller as well.

These engineers at Holosun appear to know what they are doing.

[Controlledpairs2]

If the 509T used an Acro footprint I would be more enthused. Since I got Fix it Sticks I really have t had much trouble with screws.

My experience matches yours. If the slide is milled/cut for the cross-bolt, its a no-brainer for me. No plate. Less complexity. Easy day. Still have to take care in mounting it.

On slides meant for top-down or plates, I find cross-bolts may decrease the total number of screws involved but if mounted incorrectly or given enough cycles it still loosens eventually.

Again, my experience is limited to about 6k on the 509T.

[Clusterfrack]

I like the self-centering design of the 509t mounting system. I do wish there was a standard, but strongly prefer a taper mount to screws.

[DaBigBR]

That is odd on the battery change since a 1620 and 1632 are so close in power and dimensions.

I don't know how I missed the battery change. It's kinda disappointing.

[Mike C]

Well, in terms of Amp-Hours (power), the 1620 has 81 mAh, the 1632 has 130 mAh (per Energizer data sheets for each). So they've managed to reduce the power cell requirement to approx 60% of the previous battery. Cool. And the 1620 is 1.5-1.65 mm high, the 1632 ranges from 3.00 to 3.20 mm, so the optic internal volume is that much smaller as well.

These engineers at Holosun appear to know what they are doing.

I just wish they'd make some here. I'd feel less like I was sleeping with someone on the side in buying one. I will say that they do seem like a competent bunch, one with a pair of ears which is really nice for a change. Thank you for starting this thread. I've just started to really looks at these optics and haven't had the time to dive deep enough. Good breakdown, thank you again.

[Up1911Fan]

According to Holosun, these have been changed from the 6MOA dot to 2MOA. Assuming that means circle/dot options.

[joshs]

According to Holosun, these have been changed from the 6MOA dot to 2MOA. Assuming that means circle/dot options.

I hope they eventually make both available. I'd much prefer a 6 MOA model.

[joshs]

Well, in terms of Amp-Hours (power), the 1620 has 81 mAh, the 1632 has 130 mAh (per Energizer data sheets for each). So they've managed to reduce the power cell requirement to approx 60% of the previous battery. Cool. And the 1620 is 1.5-1.65 mm high, the 1632 ranges from 3.00 to 3.20 mm, so the optic internal volume is that much smaller as well.

These engineers at Holosun appear to know what they are doing.

Or, they just claim the same battery life because they don't care. Their battery life is definitely overstated on other models. I've had 1632 models die in as little as four months.

[Up1911Fan]

I hope they eventually make both available. I'd much prefer a 6 MOA model.

I was excited because I had a 407k and don't care for the bigger dot. I do hope they offer both. Options are great.

[MVS]

According to Holosun, these have been changed from the 6MOA dot to 2MOA. Assuming that means circle/dot options.

That is disappointing. I probably won't bother changing from what I have now. 2MOA, Yuck.

[DaBigBR]

Or, they just claim the same battery life because they don't care. Their battery life is definitely overstated on other models. I've had 1632 models die in as little as four months.

With what battery? The included cells are trash. Much better results with Duracell.

[joshs]

With what battery? The included cells are trash. Much better results with Duracell.

Energizer. It was the CO model, so the reticle may take more energy than the 2 minute dot. Still rated at “up to 50k hours” whatever that means.

[Up1911Fan]

That is disappointing. I probably won't bother changing from what I have now. 2MOA, Yuck.

I like the 2MOA, I keep mine turned up a little higher so it's brighter/bloomed indoors, but I can pick it up better outdoors or using a light.

[DaBigBR]

Energizer. It was the CO model, so the reticle may take more energy than the 2 minute dot. Still rated at “up to 50k hours” whatever that means.

Energizer are trash.

Look at SoCalDep's battery testing thread:
https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?45038-Battery-Life-and-Battery-Type

[joshs]

Energizer are trash.

Look at SoCalDep's battery testing thread:
https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?45038-Battery-Life-and-Battery-Type

Those are the 2032 (that are likely the unmarked ones made in China). I’d certainly be interested in seeing the “Made in Indonesia” marked ECR1632s compared to the Duracells that are also marked the same.

[KevH]

Energizer. It was the CO model, so the reticle may take more energy than the 2 minute dot. Still rated at “up to 50k hours” whatever that means.

Duracell, Duracell, Duracell.

Only use Duracell in a PMO. They are the only battery manufacturer that makes that batteries to correct precision spec. The smallest smidge of wiggle room means the battery jiggles around under recoil (slide reciprocating), loses contact, and causes issues.

Go to Costco and buy a blister pack of 'em.

When cops show up wanting me to install their RMR or change the battery and they bring anything other than Duracell to me I refused to install it until they bring back the correct brand.

Save the other crappy 2032's and 1632's for your wife's battery operated tea lights (that's where mine go).

[joshs]

Duracell, Duracell, Duracell.

Only use Duracell in a PMO. They are the only battery manufacturer that makes that batteries to correct precision spec. The smallest smidge of wiggle room means the battery jiggles around under recoil (slide reciprocating), loses contact, and causes issues.

Go to Costco and buy a blister pack of 'em.

When cops show up wanting me to install their RMR or change the battery and they bring anything other than Duracell to me I refused to install it until they bring back the correct brand.

Save the other crappy 2032's and 1632's for your wife's battery operated tea lights (that's where mine go).

Does Duracell actually manufacture any lithium coin cells? Their 1632s look like they're probably made at the same Panasonic battery plant in Indonesia as the ECR1632s. (I'm aware that the same plant can produce batteries to wildly different specs/QA).

I have some concerns with Duracell's move of 2032 production from Japan to China. I'd rather use Panasonic (Indonesia) or Sony (Japan) because I trust they'll have better QA.

[KevH]

Does Duracell actually manufacture any lithium coin cells? Their 1632s look like they're probably made at the same Panasonic battery plant in Indonesia as the ECR1632s. (I'm aware that the same plant can produce batteries to wildly different specs/QA).

I have some concerns with Duracell's move of 2032 production from Japan to China. I'd rather use Panasonic (Indonesia) or Sony (Japan) because I trust they'll have better QA.

I trust Duracell to remain true to spec no matter where the actual manufacturing occurs.

Guys that are a lot smarter than me and that know way more about batteries have repeatedly told me to stick with them. I've done that and so far have not been disappointed.

[GJM]

We have been using Renata batteries in the Acro, Holosun and 2032 size optics with complete satisfaction.

[hfrog355]

Panasonic or Duracell for me.

[RancidSumo]

Have we settled that these are not exactly the same size as the 507k? I have a slide and sight paid for and ready to ship to Maple Leaf, but may want to switch over when these are actually available. Wondering if I should wait on the mill.

[Up1911Fan]

Have we settled that these are not exactly the same size as the 507k? I have a slide and sight paid for and ready to ship to Maple Leaf, but may want to switch over when these are actually available. Wondering if I should wait on the mill.

Same cut according to Holosun.

[DaBigBR]

The fact that both optics (407k/507k and EPS) are made by Holosun bodes favorably for them being truly the same footprint versus "close" or "close enough."

[GJM]

The fact that both optics (407k/507k and EPS) are made by Holosun bodes favorably for them being truly the same footprint versus "close" or "close enough."

I think the bigger uncertainty is how well do these turn out to be. The dot size seems up in the air and there is a smaller battery.

[DaBigBR]

I think the bigger uncertainty is how well do these turn out to be. The dot size seems up in the air and there is a smaller battery.

Agreed. I find the battery size thing particularly disappointing. I do not doubt that Holosun has their reasons, but every deviation from "the formula" is a chance to mess it up.

I have very high hopes for these optics.

[GJM]

Agreed. I find the battery size thing particularly disappointing. I do not doubt that Holosun has their reasons, but every deviation from "the formula" is a chance to mess it up.

I have very high hopes for these optics.

Agreed on both points!

[hfrog355]

Have we settled that these are not exactly the same size as the 507k? I have a slide and sight paid for and ready to ship to Maple Leaf, but may want to switch over when these are actually available. Wondering if I should wait on the mill.

Last time I spoke to John about it, he recommended waiting until they were in hand. That was several weeks ago. I went ahead and picked up a 509T though. You might give him a call and see if he's learned more.

[DaBigBR]

Holosun had a poll on their Instagram story today asking if the EPS should be 2 MOA or 6 MOA. 2 MOA was winning by a wide margin. It would imply that these optics are not being assembled yet.

[Nephrology]

Would strongly prefer the 2MOA version with circle dot as the #1 reason I would buy this optic would be to replace the 507k that is mounted offset on one of my DMR style AR-15s. The yield for enclosed optic seems much higher to me on a carbine than a CCW pistol. That said would certainly probably pick up a 2nd for that application too.

[HeavyDuty]

I’m unsure which reticle I would prefer. I traditionally like 6 MOA or so dots, but I’m learning to like circle dot. I’ve never experienced circle dot on a pistol RDS, though. I have a P365XL waiting for these to get here…

[GJM]

While there are exceptions, most people who think they prefer a smaller dot would do better with a larger dot, when using the dot across a wide range of lighting conditions.

[Up1911Fan]

I prefer the smaller dot because I keep it turned up bright enough that it works in outdoor lighting/with the TLR-7A. At that setting it already appears bigger than 2MOA indoors. It's always a minor compromise, but I don't want auto adjust and am unwilling to be constantly turning it up or down based on lighting conditions.

[KevH]

I've come to much prefer a larger dot for my uses so my answer would be the the larger option.

I find somewhere from 6 to 9 moa to be ideal as it seems minimally affected between daylight and darkness with a WML and works for most pistol distances.

Shooting a Holosun with just the 2moa dot at noon, dawn/dusk, outdoor darkness with ambient light and a WML, and then indoors with a WML requires quite a bit of dot adjustment which I find to be a major pain in the butt, especially with their tiny buttons.

Using a SIG Romeo1Pro 6moa requires much less adjustment for those four environments.

Using a Trijicon RMR RM07 Type 2 (6.5 moa) requires essentially no adjustment since the size of the dot and superb auto adjust feature seems to work rapidly in unison.

I've had a 5moa Trijicon SRO on order for some time which should hopefully be shipping soon.

I'm curious to see if it will work comparatively well to the RM07.

[Thy.Will.Be.Done]

Holosun had a poll on their Instagram story today asking if the EPS should be 2 MOA or 6 MOA. 2 MOA was winning by a wide margin. It would imply that these optics are not being assembled yet.

This is quite disturbing to me. Let me qualify, I'm all for user preference but if you want to give users the choice the correct way is to make BOTH models. The 6 MOA realistically makes the most sense on these optics, for reasons GJM has mentioned about varying conditions of fire. I strongly believe anyone who choose 2 MOA is likely a casual plinker that likes to shoot beer cans standing up straight on clear days and thinks it makes them more 'surgical' in their precision. I see little to no practical benefit of anything below 4 MOA, even with rifles, for most self defense purposes that are non MIL or LE.

[JCN]

I have a hard time tracking 2 MOA dots on pistols at speed.

On a small window defensive type application, I like the full circle dot for max speed as it improves tracking of the reticle off the screen (virtual larger window).

[Mike C]

This is quite disturbing to me. Let me qualify, I'm all for user preference but if you want to give users the choice the correct way is to make BOTH models. The 6 MOA realistically makes the most sense on these optics, for reasons GJM has mentioned about varying conditions of fire. I strongly believe anyone who choose 2 MOA is likely a casual plinker that likes to shoot beer cans standing up straight on clear days and thinks it makes them more 'surgical' in their precision. I see little to no practical benefit of anything below 4 MOA, even with rifles, for most self defense purposes that are non MIL or LE.

I don't find it disturbing that a company wants to listen to its' customer base. That is a good thing. Besides everyone's eyesight is different. What works for one may not work for all. For me I really like the 2 MOA circle dot that is offered as JCN mentioned. For me if I want to focus on accuracy slow fire I can but then I can flip over to the circle dot as he does for defensive use. Best of both worlds.

[DaBigBR]

I have mild astigmatism that generally works better with the smaller dots. I am definitely not a weekend plinker. The trouble with optics is that nobody else completely understands the way you see it, so I have trouble with generalized statements about "most people", "everybody", "nobody", etc. I look at Aaron Cowan who swears by 1 MOA dots, for example, and I know that those aren't for everybody, for example.

[Up1911Fan]

This is quite disturbing to me. Let me qualify, I'm all for user preference but if you want to give users the choice the correct way is to make BOTH models. The 6 MOA realistically makes the most sense on these optics, for reasons GJM has mentioned about varying conditions of fire. I strongly believe anyone who choose 2 MOA is likely a casual plinker that likes to shoot beer cans standing up straight on clear days and thinks it makes them more 'surgical' in their precision. I see little to no practical benefit of anything below 4 MOA, even with rifles, for most self defense purposes that are non MIL or LE.
Yep, definitely just a casual beer can plinker here. Everyone else's eyes must visualize the dot the same as yours.

[MVS]

I have mild astigmatism that generally works better with the smaller dots. I am definitely not a weekend plinker. The trouble with optics is that nobody else completely understands the way you see it, so I have trouble with generalized statements about "most people", "everybody", "nobody", etc. I look at Aaron Cowan who swears by 1 MOA dots, for example, and I know that those aren't for everybody, for example.

And for me it is just the opposite. Love my 5 and 6.25 MOA dots with my eyesight are much clearer and rounder. Weird the way eyesight works.

[GJM]

I just started a specific thread on this topic so we can hash it out without side tracking the EPS thread. In a perfect world, each optic would offer, for example, user selectable 2, 6, 8 open circle, and large circle options to meet individual user preference.

[GJM]

Have these started shipping yet? My wife could really use one on a 365 XL as a semi field pistol solution.

[JCN]

And for me it is just the opposite. Love my 5 and 6.25 MOA dots with my eyesight are much clearer and rounder. Weird the way eyesight works.

My issue also is that the brightness of some small dots (like sub 4 MOA) doesn’t get high enough for my vision in bright sunlight.

[joshs]

Have these started shipping yet? My wife could really use one on a 365 XL as a semi field pistol solution.

I don’t think so. At our annual meeting, the rep I talked to at their booth said they had decided to offer multiple options. The EPS Carry with their standard multi reticle and solar is first. They’re also going to offer the a 6 moa only and 2 moa only non-solar option. I think they said second or third quarter for the first model, but I may not be remembering that correctly.

[DaBigBR]

My issue also is that the brightness of some small dots (like sub 4 MOA) doesn’t get high enough for my vision in bright sunlight.

Have you looked at a different dot color? Not saying necessarily to make a change, but just to see if you can identify the issue. I have some red color vision issues and find green much more usable. Generally with Holosun optics, I'm limited to the top two brightness settings in bright sunlight in red, but can see and use three or four settings with green.

[JCN]

Have you looked at a different dot color? Not saying necessarily to make a change, but just to see if you can identify the issue. I have some red color vision issues and find green much more usable. Generally with Holosun optics, I'm limited to the top two brightness settings in bright sunlight in red, but can see and use three or four settings with green.

I did. Max brightness with 2 MOA red, gold and green colored dots.

With the 510-512 series it just didn’t get bright enough (for me) in full sunlight.

I have switched to 4-6 MOA single dots on my PCCs now with much better sunlight performance. My brain doesn’t lose the dot as much in the background reflections.

[DaBigBR]

Eyes sure are funny things.

[Up1911Fan]

I pre ordered the EPS carry from Kenzies. $330 for the 2MOA Red Dot.

[davisj]

Has anyone heard a release date for these?

[Up1911Fan]

Has anyone heard a release date for these?

Holosun posted today that they should be arriving at dealers in a couple weeks.

[RJ]

If anyone has or sees a link to an EPS or EPS Carry Owners Manual, let me know, I’d like to make a QRC for it.

[guymontag]

I don’t think so. At our annual meeting, the rep I talked to at their booth said they had decided to offer multiple options. The EPS Carry with their standard multi reticle and solar is first. They’re also going to offer the a 6 moa only and 2 moa only non-solar option. I think they said second or third quarter for the first model, but I may not be remembering that correctly.

Good to hear and I hope it works out that way. My wallet won’t open for the EPS(C) if it’s a 2MOA dot or their multi-reticle. A 5-6MOA dot may not be as popular, but just because something is popular doesn’t make it the best for all.

[JaredW]

Good to hear and I hope it works out that way. My wallet won’t open for the EPS(C) if it’s a 2MOA dot or their multi-reticle. A 5-6MOA dot may not be as popular, but just because something is popular doesn’t make it the best for all.

The social media post says

COMING SOON!
The Holosun EPS Carry (Enclosed Pistol Sight - Carry) is the first enclosed pistol optic designed specifically for compact, carry-sized pistols and features an aspheric lens with zero distortion. The EPS Carry has the lowest height-over-bore of any enclosed optic which allows use of factory iron sights or the built-in rear notch sight. EPS fits directly onto the P365XL and Ruger MAX-9 and includes a 0.050” (1.3mm) adapter plate for compatibility with Glock 43/48 MOS, S&W Shield, and Hellcat.
•
Available in red or green reticle colors as a 2MOA dot non-Solar, 6MOA dot on-Solar, and our MRS (Multi-reticle System) w/ Solar.
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Holosun “K” Footprint Adapter to GLOCK MOS: KPLT-MOS9MM (not compatible w/ Gen 5 40S&W models)
Holosun “K” Footprint Adapter to 507C: KPLT-507C
•
SKU Options:
EPS-CARRY-GR-6
EPS-CARRY-RD-6
EPS-CARRY-GR-2
EPS-CARRY-RD-2
EPS-CARRY-GR-MRS
EPS-CARRY-RD-MRS

[Biggy]

I ordered a EPS-CARRY-RD-6 (6 MOA dot) from Eurooptic yesterday. They sent me an email notification that it was in stock, which it was. I should have it by Saturday or Monday. I am going to put it on my Shadow Systems CR920.

[Clusterfrack]

I’m pretty excited about the EPS and EPSc. The plan is to mill a P-07 for the EPS, and a G26 for the EPSc with no rear iron. (Both dot-only, green).

[GJM]

I ordered a EPS-CARRY-RD-6 (6 MOA dot) from Eurooptic yesterday. They sent me an email notification that it was in stock, which it was. I should have it by Saturday or Monday. I am going to put it on my Shadow Systems CR920.

Thanks, just ordered!

[Biggy]

My Holosun EPS-CARRY-RD-6 (6 MOA dot) came today from EUROOPTIC. I direct mounted it to my Shadow Systems CR920. I used one of the Shadow Systems polymer spacers in front of the optic, no sanding of the spacer needed, no gaps and super secure. I think it will work out great.

https://i.imgur.com/JCHbxi9h.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/9IaTzlFh.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/qlAejMph.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ogMqps0h.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Z2fYM08h.jpg

[vandal]

Perfect timing for the EPS Carry to start shipping. The 507KX2 on my P365X just started acting up (after ~1500 rounds) during a MSP class. I have a 2MOA EPS Carry on preorder from Kenzies.

[YVK]

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Not a uuge difference from 407/507k. Looking forward to testing it out.

Access to mounting screws is not as easy. Housing and glass interfered with my torque wrench. Need to find a longer head, or whatever it is called.

[vandal]

We were promised clearer glass. Did they deliver?

[YVK]

We were promised clearer glass. Did they deliver?

I don't know. Seems clear enough to me but I am not very sensitive to that. What is the reference standard? I've SROs, RMRs, a DPP, and a P2 here, can check.

I often don't see the dots perfectly round, especially indoors. Same is the case here although it seems slightly less rounder comparing to 407K in the same MOA size. It seems like adding rear glass cut down imperceptibly on the FOV, in the lower part. I can get a shallow but defined and true sight pic with a built-in rear sight on 407. On EPS I can't, kinda - maybe, but not really. I only use backup sights to check if dot has moved so it is not a biggy for me but I still prefer how these things are on 407/507.

[vandal]

I assumed that "ultra clear glass" referred to a lack of distortion/magnification across the entire window, but maybe they intended something else. My P2 is pretty flat throughout. 507Kx2 seems like a 1X in the middle but a 1.1X when looking through the top of 15-20% of the window. My RMRs had a bit of magnification as well.


I don't know. Seems clear enough to me but I am not very sensitive to that. What is the reference standard? I've SROs, RMRs, a DPP, and a P2 here, can check.

[YVK]

I assumed that "ultra clear glass" referred to a lack of distortion/magnification across the entire window, but maybe they intended something else. My P2 is pretty flat throughout. 507Kx2 seems like a 1X in the middle but a 1.1X when looking through the top of 15-20% of the window. My RMRs had a bit of magnification as well.

Got it. No, it doesn't magnify things to my eyes. 407k/507K do that a little for me, Trijicon's dots do not.

[RJ]

If anyone has one of these, with the User Manual, and would not mind posting a decent snap shot of it, I'd appreciate it...

I'm still not seeing the pdf of the User Manual on the Holosun Web site posted yet, and I'd like to confirm the controls in order to make a QRC for the EPS/EPS Carry...thanks!

[Biggy]

All the EPS model user manual downloads are now on their website, under SUPPORT then Product support. But currently the download links seem dead.


https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrFGqXNWdxiS1gbfxVXNyoA;_ylu=Y29sbwNiZjEEcG9 zAzEEdnRpZAMEc2VjA3Ny/RV=2/RE=1658636877/RO=10/RU=https%3a%2f%2fholosun.com%2findex%2fproduct%2fm anual.html/RK=2/RS=tgwUTSsPKwmDHhwT_bRxoESRwlw-

[Noah]

All the EPS model user manual downloads are now on their website, under SUPPORT then Product support. But currently the download links seem dead.


https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrFGqXNWdxiS1gbfxVXNyoA;_ylu=Y29sbwNiZjEEcG9 zAzEEdnRpZAMEc2VjA3Ny/RV=2/RE=1658636877/RO=10/RU=https%3a%2f%2fholosun.com%2findex%2fproduct%2fm anual.html/RK=2/RS=tgwUTSsPKwmDHhwT_bRxoESRwlw-

Well that's halfway there lol.

[GJM]

Our two EPS Carry units are lost somewhere in the local post office. Hope they turn up.

Looks at display sizes, I am hoping the full size EPS becomes a better 509T and my default closed emitter.

[Controlledpairs2]

Now that they are in peoples’ hands, is the deck height off from the 407k/507k that the screws are different lengths? Thanks in advance.

[RJ]

I'm still not seeing the pdf of the User Manual on the Holosun Web site posted yet, and I'd like to confirm the controls in order to make a QRC for the EPS/EPS Carry...thanks!

Got these knocked out and posted yesterday. I went ahead and relied on the posted web description/specs for the sights. Ended up combining EPS and EPS Carry onto one QRC, but did six, for both colors, and all three reticle sku's (2 MOA, 6 MOA, Multi). When the user manuals show up, I'll double check and make any updates, but hopefully these are gtg as is.

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?51980-MRDS-Quick-Reference-Cards-(Revision-10-Release)&p=1377171&viewfull=1#post1377171

[DpdG]

Interestingly, according to the Brownell's description when I ordered, the single reticle versions of the EPS Carry do not have solar. The multi-reticle ones are the only versions with solar. Not sure if this applies to the full-size EPS.

[RJ]

Interestingly, according to the Brownell's description when I ordered, the single reticle versions of the EPS Carry do not have solar. The multi-reticle ones are the only versions with solar. Not sure if this applies to the full-size EPS.

I just looked at the Holosun web site and for example the Green 2 MOA is pictured with what appears to be a solar array, so I dunno. Could be, though. Definitely confusing. Now I really want to see those user manuals.

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[davisj]

I pre-ordered the EPS Carry Green 2 MOA Only from Eurooptic last month. No ETA. Will update as soon as I receive.

[DpdG]

I just looked at the Holosun web site and for example the Green 2 MOA is pictured with what appears to be a solar array, so I dunno. Could be, though. Definitely confusing. Now I really want to see those user manuals.

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Other key features include Solar Failsafe™(EPS-MRS model only) , up to 50,000 hours of battery life, and our Shake Awake™ Sensor. The EPS Carry will include an adapter plate for pistols with higher indexing lugs like the Hellcat®, Glock® 43/48 MOS®, etc. as well as one CR1620 lithium battery.

Also interesting that it may include a shim for MOS figment, cutting into C&H.

Source: https://www.brownells.com/optics-mounting/electronic-sights/reflex-sights/eps-carry-enclosed-pistol-sight-reflex-sight-prod146602.aspx

[23JAZ]

Do these fit the same footprint as the 507k?

[1Rangemaster]

I just looked at the Holosun web site and for example the Green 2 MOA is pictured with what appears to be a solar array, so I dunno. Could be, though. Definitely confusing. Now I really want to see those user manuals.

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We have a sample at work for a few days. The “EPS carry green 2 MOA” did NOT have solar.

Add edit: 23JAZ , there was a plate necessary for the G48.

[JCN]

…there was a plate necessary for the G48.

Unless you own a Dremel…

[23JAZ]

Unless you own a Dremel…
I took the posts off the MOS to direct fit my 507K that’s why I was asking. So it’s a go! Thanks!!!

[GJM]

When I installed a 6 moa EPS Carry on my wife's Spectre Comp tonight, I needed a lot of left correction in windage to get the dot close to the iron sights. In my experience that is unusual with Holosun optics, which are usually pretty close to zero. YVK, I believe, encountered something similar with his install on a 365X slide. Neither of those pistols has a plate.

Good looking optic.

[DpdG]

When I installed a 6 moa EPS Carry on my wife's Spectre Comp tonight, I needed a lot of left correction in windage to get the dot close to the iron sights. In my experience that is unusual with Holosun optics, which are usually pretty close to zero. YVK, I believe, encountered something similar with his install on a 365X slide. Neither of those pistols has a plate.

Good looking optic.

I'm accustomed to hearing you use a laser bore-sight for baseline mounting/rough zero- if a brand new pistol perhaps the irons are off?

[davisj]

I called Eurooptic today to ask if they have an ETA on the Carry 2 MOA Green, nothing from Holosun concerning when these may arrive. No rush on my part, just curious. Luckily I’m the 4th in line so should get mine from the first batch that arrives.

[Clusterfrack]

Anyone know the width of the EPS carry vs. EPS? I’m considering for a G26.

[GJM]

Anyone know the width of the EPS carry vs. EPS? I’m considering for a G26.

I believe both EPS and E carry have the same RMSc footprint (more narrow than the RMR footprint). The difference is the display size, with the Carry being 407K size and the EPS being 507C/508T size.

[JCN]

I believe both EPS and E carry have the same RMSc footprint (more narrow than the RMR footprint). The difference is the display size, with the Carry being 407K size and the EPS being 507C/508T size.

You are again wrong.

Footprint in this case refers to the hole spacing and front to back spacing… not the width.

Clusterfrack it’s basically the difference between the RMSc versus the RMS (or RMSx or SMS) which all fit well on a G26.

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[JCN]

As an aside, I currently have a G33 slide off for milling for an RMS/RMSc footprint but will have an RMSc mounted… because I don’t want taller BUIS and want the integrated rears.

[Up1911Fan]

Just mounted my first EPS Carry on a P365XL, I like it but was surprised by how not visible the built in rear notch was in the window.

[GJM]

https://optics-info.com/footprints-on-red-dot-sights/

[JCN]

https://optics-info.com/footprints-on-red-dot-sights/

Yes. I like that site, I use it often.

You are not fundamentally understanding what a “footprint” means.

It’s not literally a footprint where the entire geometry is the same.

Like I said before, the RMS and RMSc have the same “footprint” but the width is not identical.

The same as the EPS and EPS carry.

Maybe you can call someone to explain it to you?

[JCN]

Even though he describes footprint as an actual footprint on his site, he uses footprint and mounting standard interchangeably which in conventional descriptions is how it is used.

The RMS and RMSc have the same mounting standard.

Their technical base dimensions are different.

The EPS and EPS carry have the same mounting standard.

But their technical base dimensions are different.

He also clarifies:

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It’s a case of knowing what you’re talking about rather than ASSuming.

If someone says “hey the EPS and EPS carry have the same footprint…” but one is clearly wider than the other, then you can safely assume that that person meant “mounting standard” and not physical footprint unless they’re magicians of the space and time continuum who can magically fit a larger window on the same width optic lol. How does that work?

It’s a matter of understanding rather than parroting.

[JCN]

92298

If I say “these have the same footprint.”

Of course I mean mounting standard or footprint*.

The fact remains that regardless of your terminology, they’re not the same width.

[JCN]

I don’t think a lot of people (besides me) own a bunch of non c-sized RMS.

People are used to the Holosun k but don’t realize that Shield has been making a wider optic with the same mounting standard for years for use on Glocks and the like.

I have a full width SMS mounted on an MOS plate Clusterfrack if that helps you get an idea.

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[Clusterfrack]

Hoping keep this thread on EPS details… there’s no need for a spat about who knows what about footprints. That tends to discourage participation, and we don’t need that.

[RJ]

Anyone know the width of the EPS carry vs. EPS? I’m considering for a G26.

In case it helps, this is an industry review with some window dimensions:

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//www.shootingillustrated.com/content/first-look-holosun-eps-and-eps-carry-pistol-optics/

[Clusterfrack]

Glock 19 Slide width: 1.001”
CZ P-07 Slide width: 1.065”

EPS (https://holosun.com/index/product/detail/id/215.html): Width 1.19". Window Size 0.63x0.91"
EPS Carry (https://holosun.com/index/product/detail/id/220.html): Width 1.07. Window Size 0.58x0.77"

The EPS Carry has virtually the same window height, but gives up 15% in window width.

Both use the 'Holosun “K” series footprint'.

[DpdG]

Just installed a 6moa carry on brand new G43X MOS. The included shim/plate works quite well, but I had to trim about 2-3 threads off the supplied screw on the extractor side.

[vcdgrips]

Outside my lane:

Based on my discussion with a 1100+ person police dept armorer, I almost wonder if taking 3 threads off and/or tapering the extractor side screw should be a starting point of certain screws as a best practice?

[GJM]

Outside my lane:

Based on my discussion with a 1100+ person police dept armorer, I almost wonder if taking 3 threads off and/or tapering the extractor side screw should be a starting point of certain screws as a best practice?

CHPWS provides different screw lengths for Holosun vs the RMR/SRO (which requires longer screws). Also, Holosun provides two length screws with most of their optics. With the 365, I don't believe the optic screw can interfere, because of a different design than the Glock.

[Palmguy]

When I installed a 6 moa EPS Carry on my wife's Spectre Comp tonight, I needed a lot of left correction in windage to get the dot close to the iron sights. In my experience that is unusual with Holosun optics, which are usually pretty close to zero. YVK, I believe, encountered something similar with his install on a 365X slide. Neither of those pistols has a plate.

Good looking optic.

I just installed a 407K and a 507K on 365XLs and both displayed the same behavior.

[HCM]

When I installed a 6 moa EPS Carry on my wife's Spectre Comp tonight, I needed a lot of left correction in windage to get the dot close to the iron sights. In my experience that is unusual with Holosun optics, which are usually pretty close to zero. YVK, I believe, encountered something similar with his install on a 365X slide. Neither of those pistols has a plate.

Good looking optic.


I just installed a 407K and a 507K on 365XLs and both displayed the same behavior.

I had a similar experience when I put a 407K on my SIG P322. Needed so much windage it ran out just before achieving zero.

figured out the optic was mounted with a slight cant. Re-mounted the sight (straight this time) and zeroing consisted of undoing the prior windage correction. I.e. it would have been dead on if mounted straight in the first place.

Have not experienced that can’t issue with Romeo Zeros on P365XLs.

[JCN]

figured out the optic was mounted with a slight cant. Re-mounted the sight (straight this time) and zeroing consisted of undoing the prior windage correction. I.e. it would have been dead on if mounted straight in the first place.

Have not experienced that can’t issue with Romeo Zeros on P365XLs.

This has been my experience with mounting optics as well.

It’s kind of like installing Glock front sights. If you don’t pay attention and try to keep it from rotating when you twist the screw… the optic twists too.

So you have to really hold it centered when you install the mounting screws.

[JCN]

HCM
YVK
GJM

I think the difference between slides and optics exhibiting free twist partially depends on:

The front/rear cut of the slide: the different K mounting pattern optics from different companies have slightly different front to back dimensions so some of the generic cuts aren’t as tight and allow twisting.

The front mounting bosses: the different brands have different boss depth so cuts now have either no bosses or smaller bosses.

Those bosses are what help resist twisting of the optic on installation.

So careful attention to optic twisting should be paid if there aren’t bosses, are tiny bosses or loose boss cuts.

[DpdG]

FWIW (and the locktite is still drying so no live fire yet) The unit I put on a G43x MOS aligned with the factory plastic sights without any adjustment. I did have to tap the shim down onto the slide bosses to seat it fully.

[David S.]

I really hope they can design one to fit the full size RMR/507c footprint.

[JCN]

I really hope they can design one to fit the full size RMR/507c footprint.

Hole spacing wise, the K screw holes are the same distance as the DPP and Romeo1…

The reason I mention that is on the 320 optics slides they have dual hole patterns for RMR and R1…

Which means you could probably have K screw holes made in an RMR cut slide to run an EPS…

[davisj]

JCN, to clarify, are you saying a Holosun K or EPS will mount directly to a 320 slide? I have a 320X Compact slide with optics cut (older design, not the Pro cut) that needs a dot. I’ve been hesitant to get a Romeo 1 Pro and if the K mounting footprint will fit I may get an EPS for it.

Thanks!

[JCN]

JCN, to clarify, are you saying a Holosun K or EPS will mount directly to a 320 slide? I have a 320X Compact slide with optics cut (older design, not the Pro cut) that needs a dot. I’ve been hesitant to get a Romeo 1 Pro and if the K mounting footprint will fit I may get an EPS for it.

Thanks!

Can you take a picture of your cut? If there are no nubs then I think yes but you might want to confirm by measuring hole spacing with a caliper. There will be a gap though if it bothers you cosmetically.

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This is an RMSx on a slide cut for a DPP.

[JCN]

davisj

Here is an RMSx on a slide cut for a DPP.

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[coob5]

I noticed on the Holosun product page there are eps carry models with the rear sight notch and ones without. If you were to mount this on a Hellcat or CR920 since those have rear sights would it be better to go with the optic without the rear sight channel? It seems like the one without it sits lower and has less interference if you were to try and co-witness.

With rear channel: https://holosun.com/index/product/detail/id/220.html
Without rear channel: https://holosun.com/index/product/detail/id/215.html

[G19Fan]

I noticed on the Holosun product page there are eps carry models with the rear sight notch and ones without. If you were to mount this on a Hellcat or CR920 since those have rear sights would it be better to go with the optic without the rear sight channel? It seems like the one without it sits lower and has less interference if you were to try and co-witness.

With rear channel: https://holosun.com/index/product/detail/id/220.html
Without rear channel: https://holosun.com/index/product/detail/id/215.html

One without rear sight channel is meant for full sized guns and will overhang the small ones (may or may not be an issue for you)

[WobblyPossum]

I noticed on the Holosun product page there are eps carry models with the rear sight notch and ones without. If you were to mount this on a Hellcat or CR920 since those have rear sights would it be better to go with the optic without the rear sight channel? It seems like the one without it sits lower and has less interference if you were to try and co-witness.

With rear channel: https://holosun.com/index/product/detail/id/220.html
Without rear channel: https://holosun.com/index/product/detail/id/215.html

The regular EPS and the EPS Carry use the same screw hole locations so they can both be mounted to any gun able to take the Shield RMSc/Holosun 507k footprint. The EPS is wider than the EPS Carry and more suited to regular double-stack thickness guns like a Glock 19 because it would have more overhang on the slide of a micro compact gun like a Hellcat or a Sig P365. The Carry is geared more towards the micro compact guns which is why it has the rear sight notch built in. Some of those guns lose their rear iron sights to mount an optic. The Carry should have minimal, if any, overhang with the micro guns.

[davisj]

Can you take a picture of your cut? If there are no nubs then I think yes but you might want to confirm by measuring hole spacing with a caliper. There will be a gap though if it bothers you cosmetically.

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This is an RMSx on a slide cut for a DPP.

The slide is buried in my safe. When my EPS Carry arrives I’ll get the slide and see if the holes are aligned. Thanks for mentioning the possibility!

[JCN]

The slide is buried in my safe. When my EPS Carry arrives I’ll get the slide and see if the holes are aligned. Thanks for mentioning the possibility!

On a slide cut for a Romeo3Max I had to Dremel down nubs.

Holes align but depending on nubs could be an issue.

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[GearFondler]

Pardon if this has been answered but I don't recall seeing it...

What's the general consensus on how well the Auto-adjust works on these? I'm mainly curious to know if the technology has improved yet... I really want a dot that can self-adjust from bright sunlight to near-darkness incorporating a bright WML.

[O4L]

I'm getting ready to jump into the red dot game on my EDC G48, and the EPS Carry is at the top of my list for now.

I hope they prove to be rugged and reliable.

Now I just have to decide which dot option to go with.

Does anyone else wish they made a 32moa circle with a 6moa dot version?

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[Up1911Fan]

I'm getting ready to jump into the red dot game on my EDC G48, and the EPS Carry is at the top of my list for now.

I hope they prove to be rugged and reliable.

Now I just have to decide which dot option to go with.

Does anyone else wish they made a 32moa circle with a 6moa dot version?

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No. That would be way to cluttered.

[GJM]

Pardon if this has been answered but I don't recall seeing it...

What's the general consensus on how well the Auto-adjust works on these? I'm mainly curious to know if the technology has improved yet... I really want a dot that can self-adjust from bright sunlight to near-darkness incorporating a bright WML.

Not sure about the EPS, but I don't believe the EPS Carry has auto, only manual and lock out.

[G19Fan]

I'm getting ready to jump into the red dot game on my EDC G48, and the EPS Carry is at the top of my list for now.

I hope they prove to be rugged and reliable.

Now I just have to decide which dot option to go with.

Does anyone else wish they made a 32moa circle with a 6moa dot version?

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That would be horribly cluttered

[HeavyDuty]

I'm getting ready to jump into the red dot game on my EDC G48, and the EPS Carry is at the top of my list for now.

I hope they prove to be rugged and reliable.

Now I just have to decide which dot option to go with.

Does anyone else wish they made a 32moa circle with a 6moa dot version?

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No. That would be way to cluttered.


That would be horribly cluttered

I can see the appeal on an either/or basis, but both displayed at the same time would probably be too much.

[O4L]

I can see the appeal on an either/or basis, but both displayed at the same time would probably be too much.That's what I want. The option to use the 32moa circle or the 6moa dot.

I understand that both together would be a bit too much.

[1Rangemaster]

We had a 2moa green dot carry MPS as a sample, and I shot it a bit(~400 rounds). Sample of one, so I am unsure of variability amongst units, but the green was intense and I did well with it. I have a 6moa on a 43X and that has been fine too.
Put me down for simple dots; at some level it’s what you train with.
From my perspective, the smaller lens of the Carry version lends itself to a dot.
YMMV

[RJ]

We had a 2moa green dot carry MPS as a sample, and I shot it a bit(~400 rounds). Sample of one, so I am unsure of variability amongst units, but the green was intense and I did well with it. I have a 6moa on a 43X and that has been fine too.
Put me down for simple dots; at some level it’s what you train with.
From my perspective, the smaller lens of the Carry version lends itself to a dot.
YMMV

Any preference for 2 vs. 6 in the green?

Were they set to the same intensity levels (approximately) would you say?

I’m in between carry dots and leaning heavily to a 6 MOA green EPS Carry for my P365X.

[1Rangemaster]

RJ :
At this moment, between the two samples I've worked with, I'm partial to the 2moa-that is not to say the 6moa is unsuitable. The "intensity" in a sample of ONE was/s what I liked. I've also trained pretty heavily w/an ACRO(red) and like its intensity-so there may be something there. I have some experience with a Steiner MPS(3moa?)and a green 509T.
I ended up running the 509 with small dot.
FWIW, the 6moa on a 43X gave me hits on a steel B/C silhouette out to 50 yards when I did my part with the trigger.
If you think you'd have confidence with a 6-carry on.
Not sure if helpful; the reticles I wouldn't run if I had a choice are the dot circle and chevron.
But I'm pretty committed to enclosed emitters.

Edit to add: @RJ, usually set to same intensity, one or two down from max on all units. I might go to max on a square range with white sand; I tend to go down one at home storing in ready condition for overnight.

[GJM]

Any preference for 2 vs. 6 in the green?

Were they set to the same intensity levels (approximately) would you say?

I’m in between carry dots and leaning heavily to a 6 MOA green EPS Carry for my P365X.

I have a strong preference for 6 and red.

I recently removed a green 507 from a 19. The green dot intensity wasn't as bright as red. Green can be a problem where there is green vegetation, like is common in the summer or in southern areas. A red dot allows me the option of a green laser, which is better in daytime conditions. Red even costs less.

The 6 moa dot is less subject to being confused as splatter in adverse sun angles, and because it is easier to see, it supports target focus for me. The larger dot also appears to wiggle less for B8 style shooting. The larger dot is also better for me with my glasses or contacts off.

[1Rangemaster]

Yes-all good points.
My usual carry is 19MOS/w(red)ACRO and a TLR8 green laser.
Perhaps there is a "novelty factor" going on with my current green dabbling...

[GJM]

Yes-all good points.
My usual carry is 19MOS/w(red)ACRO and a TLR8 green laser.
Perhaps there is a "novelty factor" going on with my current green dabbling...

At one point, there was the suggestion that green did better in low sun angles, but unfortunately that didn't prove out in testing.

[cornstalker]

Any preference for 2 vs. 6 in the green?

Were they set to the same intensity levels (approximately) would you say?

I’m in between carry dots and leaning heavily to a 6 MOA green EPS Carry for my P365X.

If you can, try it out before you buy. I thought I would like green much better, but it didn't turn out that way. For my eyes, the red dot catches my eye much quicker in every test I have tried so far except for a bright white background. (which also surprised me) The green 6 MOA works well enough to keep, but not to buy again. I would take a red dot in any size over green going forward. I prefer larger dots, but get along with small intense red dots just fine.

[Clusterfrack]

I'm all about green fiber optic front sights, but my current preference is for red dots. I have a green dot on my 1301 shotgun, and wish it was red. I can make a red dot as bright as I need, so the extra "pop" of green to the eye doesn't matter. And for most of the backgrounds I encounter, red is a better contrast.

[RJ]

Not sure about the EPS, but I don't believe the EPS Carry has auto, only manual and lock out.

Thanks GJM. As far as you are aware, and beside the size, is this the only functionality difference between the EPS and EPS Carry?

[Norville]

Pardon if this has been answered but I don't recall seeing it...

What's the general consensus on how well the Auto-adjust works on these? I'm mainly curious to know if the technology has improved yet... I really want a dot that can self-adjust from bright sunlight to near-darkness incorporating a bright WML.


Not sure about the EPS, but I don't believe the EPS Carry has auto, only manual and lock out.

The website is vague, but the circle/ dot version of the Carry has the solar cell, which somewhere else on the site they say this means auto adjust. But they never specifically say that this applies to the carry. I favor just a dot, and usually larger than 2moa, but it indeed auto adjust I’d spend the extra money for the MRS version.

[Clusterfrack]

The website is vague, but the circle/ dot version of the Carry has the solar cell, which somewhere else on the site they say this means auto adjust. But they never specifically say that this applies to the carry. I favor just a dot, and usually larger than 2moa, but it indeed auto adjust I’d spend the extra money for the MRS version.

I haven't found the auto-adjust feature useful on my 509t2, and have mixed feelings about the solar panel. It's good to have backup power for the dot if the battery dies. On the other hand, I bet the solar panel isn't as impact resistant as bare metal.

[DpdG]

Anyone have suggestions on solid black irons to pair with the carry on a 43x MOS using the Holosun shim? Factory Glock plastics are so low that there’s no windage reference as only the very top edge of the irons are visible. I’d like something that’s usable as a last chance back-up but not taking up more than the lower 1/4 of the window.

[Up1911Fan]

Anyone have suggestions on solid black irons to pair with the carry on a 43x MOS using the Holosun shim? Factory Glock plastics are so low that there’s no windage reference as only the very top edge of the irons are visible. I’d like something that’s usable as a last chance back-up but not taking up more than the lower 1/4 of the window.

I'd check front rear separates from Dawson. Measure your current sights and see that they have that's a bit taller.

[1Rangemaster]

Thanks GJM. As far as you are aware, and beside the size, is this the only functionality difference between the EPS and EPS Carry?

Not GJM, but the sample I’ve had, had no solar on the small “Carry EPS”. One had the choice of circle/dot or just dot. Discussion earlier thread about inadvertent clicking of intensity buttons. They are relatively large on operators perspective left side. I recall GJM started running his in lockout mode. Smaller battery (1630? ) I think. Shake awake on mine was at 10 minutes;tested, worked and came awake on movement.

[1Rangemaster]

Anyone have suggestions on solid black irons to pair with the carry on a 43x MOS using the Holosun shim? Factory Glock plastics are so low that there’s no windage reference as only the very top edge of the irons are visible. I’d like something that’s usable as a last chance back-up but not taking up more than the lower 1/4 of the window.

We had an old set of Heinie 3189 Ledge “MOS/RMR Short” sights I put on a 43X that worked for me…

[RJ]

Not GJM, but the sample I’ve had, had no solar on the small “Carry EPS”. One had the choice of circle/dot or just dot. Discussion earlier thread about inadvertent clicking of intensity buttons. They are relatively large on operators perspective left side. I recall GJM started running his in lockout mode. Smaller battery (1630? ) I think. Shake awake on mine was at 10 minutes;tested, worked and came awake on movement.

Thanks, copy all that. It's helpful.

Two reasons for the line of questions; one is I'm in between dots because I want to do a tech refresh on mine to closed emitters. So having sold off my 407k, I am heavily favoring a 6 MOA (Red or Green) EPS Carry for my P365X. I tend to see red better than green, so most likely Red. I just have been itching to try a Green dot. I will probably just buy a red one though; it worked fine on the 407k.

Second was I had not noticed any real functional difference in the EPS vs. EPS Carry when I prepped the latest round of Quick Reference Cards for these optics. I updated them recently from 10.0 to 10.1, having (I think) gotten it correct which ones have solar, and which do not. But awkwardly I probably now need to update them again to 10.2 to include a line with the difference in EPS vs. EPS Carry of one being manual/lockout only and one being auto/manual/lockout.

[1Rangemaster]

Welcome, sir- let me say again you are an asset to this community.

I can check the battery this evening for the Carry EPS and advise.
Thinking about it a bit more, if red does it for you, rock it! I have the green on 43X w/a subTLR7 mounted also-no laser.
My "main" gun, as stated, has a Red dot ACRO and green TLR8-yeah, I'm a bit of a nerd...

[Norville]

From their website, MRS is solar plus battery. My 509T is a little slow in auto adjust but outdoors it has been fine.
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[1Rangemaster]

I confirm battery is CR1620.
The green EPS Carry -2moa dot- I have in locker does NOT have a solar panel. The larger EPS I have seen in a reps hand DOES have a solar panel.
Ours may be an earlier version or different amongst individual samples. I’m on leave for a bit and will email H.

[Caballoflaco]

So if y’all were to be putting a dot on a 1911/2011 would you have a preference for an eps carry/ eps or a 509T? It would go on a pistol that gets some AIWB carry.

[HeavyDuty]

I'm all about green fiber optic front sights, but my current preference is for red dots. I have a green dot on my 1301 shotgun, and wish it was red. I can make a red dot as bright as I need, so the extra "pop" of green to the eye doesn't matter. And for most of the backgrounds I encounter, red is a better contrast.

I have an SCS on a 19.5, and I’m still not sure I like the green. If they ever release a red version, I may switch.

[HeavyDuty]

I picked up a 365XL back in the spring with the intent of sticking a EPS Carry onto it. Who are we liking for a supplier? I never did preorder one, mostly because I’m waffling on 6 MOA or circle dot.

[Up1911Fan]

I picked up a 365XL back in the spring with the intent of sticking a EPS Carry onto it. Who are we liking for a supplier? I never did preorder one, mostly because I’m waffling on 6 MOA or circle dot.

Euro Optic had several in stock recently.

[coob5]

I picked up a 365XL back in the spring with the intent of sticking a EPS Carry onto it. Who are we liking for a supplier? I never did preorder one, mostly because I’m waffling on 6 MOA or circle dot.

Same I am in between both options as well. Leaning towards the circle dot but depends on the price difference.

[MVS]

So if y’all were to be putting a dot on a 1911/2011 would you have a preference for an eps carry/ eps or a 509T? It would go on a pistol that gets some AIWB carry.

Currently have a 507C with the chevron reticle on my C2. I would like to get a look at the EPS as a possibility.

[JCS]

Anyone have input on how the eps conceals compared to 507/407k?

[GJM]

Anyone have input on how the eps conceals compared to 507/407k?

Only have the EPS Carry, but it conceals similar to a 407/507K.