Wilson Combat Launches P365 Grip Modules

[Tokarev]

Hopefully this isn't a dupe. I poked around and don't see a thread about it.

Without further ado, here's the link:

https://shopwilsoncombat.com/WCP365-Modules/products/1471/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&utm_campaign=Close%20Out%20Sale%20Starts%2001-13-22

I don't see a Wilson/SIG 365 corroboration pistol. I assume one is on the way.

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[davisj]

These are being discussed in the larger 365 thread.

[RJ]

Out of stock. Well that was fast.

Didn’t see any online comparisons with stock, just the launch video. I was going to order a Talon rubber but might get one of these for my X.

[Tokarev]

Out of stock. Well that was fast.

Didn’t see any online comparisons with stock, just the launch video. I was going to order a Talon rubber but might get one of these for my X.

They show black with manual safety cut and tan with no manual safety presently in stock. All XL models out of stock.

[RJ]

They show black with manual safety cut and tan with no manual safety presently in stock. All XL models out of stock.

Sorry, yeah, I probably could have said "XL are out of stock", my bad.

Anyone gets one of these, can they post some comparison pictures? I'm especially interested in the grip circumference relative to OEM, and whether or not the WC grip will change the apparent trigger reach (being a Size M guy with Size M hands).

[D-der]

Sorry, yeah, I probably could have said "XL are out of stock", my bad.

Anyone gets one of these, can they post some comparison pictures? I'm especially interested in the grip circumference relative to OEM, and whether or not the WC grip will change the apparent trigger reach (being a Size M guy with Size M hands).

Looking at the video on Wilson's site and the measurements posted in the description, it would appear their module is more of a handful than the Sig module, perhaps more than the Razorback, I'm anxious to compare for myself.

[jandbj]

I back ordered an XL. For only a few bucks more than the Sig xl modules, I figured I’d give it a shot.

[Hstanton1]

If this does end up increasing trigger reach and grip circumference over the stock sig module, it might be enough to get me interested in the p365. They’ve always been too slim for my hands but these grips look very promising.

[RJ]

It does look a little fatter.


https://youtu.be/GfobfcPiw6o

[JCN]

I back ordered an XL. For only a few bucks more than the Sig xl modules, I figured I’d give it a shot.

They show in stock for me?

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[GAP]

It does look a little fatter.

You’re not wrong. ;)

OEM: 1.02”
Wilson: 1.125”

Front to back looks the same…

[jandbj]

They show in stock for me?

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Weird. Maybe someone updated the website since I ordered earlier today. Will see if I get a shipping notice sooner than later.

[JCN]

You’re not wrong. ;)

OEM: 1.02”
Wilson: 1.125”

Front to back looks the same…

Bottom of the back looks different. Less hump on the WC.

[davisj]

I ordered this morning, already have my UPS tracking number so they’re shipping quickly.

[GJM]

I ordered this morning, already have my UPS tracking number so they’re shipping quickly.

Me, too

[overton]

sadly no laser stippling on the thumb and indexing ledges

[davisj]

sadly no laser stippling on the thumb and indexing ledges

http://www.lowes.com/pd/Weller-Electric-Lead-Free-Soldering-Kit/4734289

[Brianjkeene]

Wilson just posted this. Was hoping for a bigger difference though it does seem that they measured in different spots on the two frames.


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[Brianjkeene]

Wilson just posted this. Was hoping for a bigger difference though it does seem that they measured in different spots on the two frames.


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To note, my shield plus measures right at 5" at the widest. My Wilson frame comes in tomorrow so I'll get some impressions and pics up then.

[D-der]

I did a quick front to back measurement on my XL last
night after reading on Wilson's website that their module
is 2" front to back, I think that's appropriately 3/8' +/-
more than the OEM module, I think it's a hair thicker as well.

[Brianjkeene]

I did a quick front to back measurement on my XL last
night after reading on Wilson's website that their module
is 2" front to back, I think that's appropriately 3/8' +/-
more than the OEM module, I think it's a hair thicker as well.


Yep, it seems like they took that width further up though too which I think will really help. Its odd to say this, but I'm hoping it feels more similar to the Taurus GX4 I handled.

[RJ]

To note, my shield plus measures right at 5" at the widest. My Wilson frame comes in tomorrow so I'll get some impressions and pics up then.

My P365X is a bit under 5" at the widest part I can put the tape on.

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[Brianjkeene]

My P365X is a bit under 5" at the widest part I can put the tape on.

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My 43x is measuring right at 5"

[davisj]

I did a quick front to back measurement on my XL last
night after reading on Wilson's website that their module
is 2" front to back, I think that's appropriately 3/8' +/-
more than the OEM module, I think it's a hair thicker as well.

I hope so. The measurement on the Wilson website is primarily what prompted me to order a frame…then go buy a 365X today. Also, the Wilson has to have more room front to back to accommodate the tungsten weights.

The Wilson frame made a significant difference on my 320X Compact. I’m hopeful I’ll be as pleased with the 365X frame.

[RJ]

Any reason not to add the WC Tungsten weight kit? At 1.5 oz, it sounds like it would make an already soft-shooting 9mm even softer...Looks like I'll be placing an order soon, once they are back in stock.

[RJ]

Also: Holster compatibility: Any thoughts on whether these will fit existing kydex P365/X/XL holsters?

[davisj]

Rich, I added the weights based on your same reasoning.

I see no reason why this would impact holster fit. The 320 frames don’t have a negative impact compared to the OEM frames in my experience (sample size = 1, Tenicor Certum).

[RJ]

Welp, late to the Party, but I ordered a black/no MS/XL grip module and tungsten weight kit today.

Looking forward to hearing what ya'll think about these. I've been pondering grip options including just getting a set of Talon grips to try. The combination of this companies reputation, the positive reviews the P320 grips seem to get and the price point convinced me.

Plus it'll be like New Gun Day when it arrives. :cool:

[Brianjkeene]

Welp, received my frame today. I do like it though I wish it was a little bigger than what it is. I like the extra width but wish they had increased the front to back distance some more.

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[Brianjkeene]

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[jandbj]

Got my shipping notification too.

[fatdog]

Mine arrived yesterday and got it installed. Have yet to fire it, but the thing that struck me is the slight palm swells and contours on this version really changed the character of the grip on the P365XL for me. Feels a lot better, but that can be deceptive in dry fire, and I won't know until I put some rounds down range if this is a big improvement. I am new to the P365, bought an XL as my new project gun, and I have been struggling a bit recovering shot to shot.

I hope this pans out because I could not bring myself to spend $300+ for the Razorback...

[D-der]

I'm running a Razorback on my XL and definitely prefer it to the stock module,
my WC module is due in Thursday, I'm curious how they'll compare.

[Corse]

I have one on the way. I’m hoping the slightly wider grip helps with recoil control.

[GJM]

I shot my Wilson grip for the regular 365 today. I thought I had ordered one for the XL but apparently ordered the 365. I like it, and it is reminiscent of the Lok Veloce grips on an AXG lower.

[JCN]

With the palm swells I put an extended mag release on.

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This was the best tip I’ve heard about removing mag releases.

Using a SIM card tool.


https://youtu.be/IMyrw2ycLcQ

Also re tungsten module:

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[JCN]

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I really like the way this feels. I’m a fan of palm swells in general.

[Mike C]

I really like the way this feels. I’m a fan of palm swells in general.

Thoughts vs Razorback module? I really like the two Razorbacks but these look interesting.

[DMCutter]

My regular 365 module came today but I haven't had a chance to swap it yet. The thickness at the widest point of the swells looks to be the same as my Hellcat but it's not blocky top to bottom like the Hellcat. I definitely like the beavertail better than the stock grip. We have another round of snow and ice f'ing up our NC roads this weekend so a trip to the range probably isn't in the cards before next week.

[Bergeron]

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I really like the way this feels. I’m a fan of palm swells in general.

I'm very curious about the Wilson X-Grip on a short slide P365 with a comp and dot. I was unsure about the light, and if it would be worth the cost in weight and bulk. Could you describe your experiences with that setup?

[JCN]

Thoughts vs Razorback module? I really like the two Razorbacks but these look interesting.

I never really liked the Razorback on a P365XL. The backstrap hump was pointy and didn’t feel like any traditional gun. It worked okay but I wasn’t a big fan.

The WC I think will be an improvement, but I’ll get some trigger time tomorrow on it.


I'm very curious about the Wilson X-Grip on a short slide P365 with a comp and dot. I was unsure about the light, and if it would be worth the cost in weight and bulk. Could you describe your experiences with that setup?

If people are interested, I can make a separate thread or post here some video comparisons when if/when I run them.

I have a different slide with a PMM comp and this one (Armory Craft) is better for recoil mitigation. It’s heavier and the ports are angled and farther forward.

My goal is to have a gun that shoots as well as any standard G19 but has a usable manual safety.

It’s mainly for experimentation and education.

[davisj]

Received my XL module today. If you’re familiar with the difference between the Sig X module and the WC module for the 320 then the difference in feel will be familiar for the 365.

My measurements with digital calipers at the widest points show:

Width - 1.19” (WC) versus 1.05” (OEM) for a difference of 0.15”
Length - 1.95” (WC) versus 1.85” (OEM) for a difference of 0.10”

With the OEM the tip of my social finger touches the base of my thumb. With the WC there is ~1/4” to ~3/8” of space. Not significant but enough better to be noticeable given the more oval feel of the WC. Will probably be Sunday at the earliest before I can put some rounds through it.

First impression is this frame will be the reason I keep my 365X.

[Texaspoff]

Mine showed up yesterday. Nothing earth shattering, but it is an improvement over the factory. What I noticed was the factory grip felt very vertical. The WC seems to allow the hand to sit at more of an angle. It feels more natural to me. It is slightly wider side to side as others have noted, and this does allow my hand a more stable grip.

Plus my 365 matches my carry.. :) Now I just need to get a straight trigger in it.

https://i.imgur.com/DTHIL7Ql.jpg




TXPO

[psalms144.1]

Came home from a road trip last night to find mine waiting for me. Maybe I'm a tool, but how the actual fuck to you "install the supplied magazine catch, spring, and lock?"

I've been like a monkey f***ing a football all morning with this thing...

[D-der]

Came home from a road trip last night to find mine waiting for me. Maybe I'm a tool, but how the actual fuck to you "install the supplied magazine catch, spring, and lock?"

I've been like a monkey f***ing a football all morning with this thing...

Easy enough, take a look at Wilson's site, there's a video.
Basically, put the spring in the button slot, insert in module
then insert the lock tab from other side

[HeavyDuty]

I’m a little surprised they didn’t preinstall it, the WCP320 modules all have them installed.

[HeavyDuty]

Now, if we can just get Wilson to offer a slightly larger manual safety we’d be cooking with gas.

[D-der]

My XL module was delivered yesterday.
In my opinion, it's a big improvement over the stock Sig module.
I've been running a Razorback and like it, we'll see how the WC works out.
The Razorback is a modified Sig module and due to the hump is a little longer front to back,
the WC is wider side to side with texture that seems to provide better traction,
I'm sure in part due to the aggressive front and back strap's, which I much prefer.
I seem to wind up with about the same amount of support hand space, but different.
The WC seems to fill the hand better with the palm swell and for me indexes a little higher.
I shoot the Razorback measurably better than the stock module, time will tell on the Wilson.

[fatdog]

I’m a little surprised they didn’t preinstall it, the WCP320 modules all have them installed.

used to, I got three 320's from that big holiday sale that all arrived the first week of the month and none were pre-installed....

[parishioner]

Now, if we can just get Wilson to offer a slightly larger manual safety we’d be cooking with gas.

I asked on one of their posts on IG if they had any plans to release a larger manual safety. Kind of a shot in the dark but sometimes companies will respond there. Langdon tactical releasing some info in the comments of an IG post comes to mind.

No response though.

[HeavyDuty]

I asked on one of their posts on IG if they had any plans to release a larger manual safety. Kind of a shot in the dark but sometimes companies will respond there. Langdon tactical releasing some info in the comments of an IG post comes to mind.

No response though.

I asked a couple of specialty manufacturers about this a few months ago and got the email equivalent of them staring at me like I had a tree growing from my forehead. To me, the XL straddles the line between a subcompact and a smallish primary holster pistol - similar to a G48. Having a slightly more prominent manual safety would aid that primary role.

[RJ]

Came home from a road trip last night to find mine waiting for me. Maybe I'm a tool, but how the actual fuck to you "install the supplied magazine catch, spring, and lock?"

I've been like a monkey f***ing a football all morning with this thing...


https://youtu.be/GfobfcPiw6o

1:05".

Cliff's:

Remove the mag catch, teeny spring, and doohickey from plastic bag.

Place teeny spring in the "channel" of the mag catch.

Align mag catch with hole, press through grip body, retaining catch with opposite thumb from inside the grip, so that you don't drop the fricken' teeny spring (this is bad, ask me how I know).

Press the mag catch all the way, like you are releasing a mag. Look at the other end protruding through the grip, carefully and as fast as you can because by this point you are pressing for all you are worth, drop in the doohicky into the mag catch.

Gently release pressure on the mag catch.

You should be done at this point.

[Hstanton1]

I asked a couple of specialty manufacturers about this a few months ago and got the email equivalent of them staring at me like I had a tree growing from my forehead. To me, the XL straddles the line between a subcompact and a smallish primary holster pistol - similar to a G48. Having a slightly more prominent manual safety would aid that primary role.

I asked GGI this same question regarding P320 safeties, their answer was that the safety is a MIM part and thus milling it would be prohibitively expensive and extremely difficult.

I haven’t compared p320/365 safeties side by side, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the reasoning was similar.

[HeavyDuty]

I asked GGI this same question regarding P320 safeties, their answer was that the safety is a MIM part and thus milling it would be prohibitively expensive and extremely difficult.

I haven’t compared p320/365 safeties side by side, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the reasoning was similar.

That makes perfect sense, although I think the reactions I was getting were more utility based. We may have to hope SIG develops one for their inevitable Emperor Penguin Warrior versions.

[98z28]

Now, if we can just get Wilson to offer a slightly larger manual safety we’d be cooking with gas.

Preach. It took time to get consistent enough with that tiny safety to feel comfortable carrying it. A wider safety would be a significant improvement.

[Kanye Wyoming]

their inevitable Emperor Penguin Warrior versions.
Ha!

Needed to do more than just like this.

[tlong17]

Beaver tail is too long and big. Going to jab in the gut AIWB. But we gotta make it point, look and feel like 1911 if it says Wilson Combat on it ;)

[D-der]

I'm wanna try the WC module, but damn...
it's -10 outside, better put a log on the fire and wait a bit.

[octagon]

I just got home from SHOT last night and found the Wilson Combat box at the front door. I really like how it feels in the hand so far. Nice texture and shape.

[RJ]

Received my WC Grip Module for my P365X late Thursday. I installed it yesterday and took it to the range today.

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The grip feel, both in dry practice and live fire, is much more solid and “squeezable”, than OEM. I seem to shoot it objectively better. My dry draws are worse by about 0.3”, which is either my make-shift holster or I just suck (or both.) For CCW, the thicker grip of the WC module seems to offer less room for my hands, at least for me, AIWB.

I like it, a lot.


Physical

Install was straightforward. I followed the WC video. I ordered the Tungsten Weight kit. These are three short rods which fit (loosely) into three slots milled into the grip. I used a schmear of Loctite silicone on the tungsten rods and slid them into place.

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Pro-tip: After you install the rods, wipe down any excess silicone from the inner part of the grip when you are done. I had to remove it by hand after it dried. Not a huge issue, but would have been easier if I’d noticed it and wiped it off while it was wet.

By itself, the Sig grip module weighs 44 g / 1.55 oz;, the WC module is 52 g / 1.83 oz. The three tungsten rods total 42 g / 1.5 oz. The WC grip module, with tungsten weights in place, weighs 94 g / 3.32 oz. Gun weights before and after are:

P365X with Holosun 407k and OEM grip module, complete, no mag: 472 g / 16.65 oz.

P365X with Holosun 407k and WC grip module, complete, no mag: 523 g / 18.45 oz.

An interesting find was this tapered / sloped area, molded into the inner/rear of the magwell. It appears to be an to aid magazine insertion. The standard grip, shown right in this picture, has no magwell taper. A nice touch.

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The pistol clicks in perfectly in my JM CK P365XL shell I’m still using.


Functional

The new grip “feels good in the hand” as they say. It’s not so much the dimensions as it is the shape which is different. Thicker in certain places, with more to hang on to (this is hard to describe). It reminds me very much of a HK VP9sk, with M grip inserts: kinda round, but not quite. Not blocky at all, which the Sig grip sometimes feels to me.

The WC front and back strap texturing is much, much more aggressive than stock. The side panels are about the same. I like the fact the area where I want grip (front and back) has the rough texture, and the area I don’t want it on (sides) doesn’t.

I did my normal Dry Practice (Concealed) timed routine with the new grip in place this morning. For this segment of my Performance Journal, I record my times against the Gabe White Performance Standards: full size USPSA target A zone and 4” white circle, at 7 yards. I do all four drills (Bill Drill, F2S, Immediate Incapacitate, 4 body 2 head) from concealed, meaning normal go-to-Wal-Mart outfit of T-shirt and shorts. To count for a valid “par”, I have to have the last trigger press occur with the dot in the scoring zone, before the par beep on my AMG Timer. Results were:

...and they say timers don't lie...
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Observations:

1) I do suck

2) I didn’t find the slight enlargement of the WC beavertail to have any noticeable affect walking, sitting, driving the truck, etc. while wearing concealed in my Dry Practice area, as compared to the original grip. And

3) My par times with the WC grip were about 0.3’ slower than the last time I ran the P365, in November.

Reasons for the timing(s) probably include:

1) See Point one

2) I am finding the make-shift leveraged holster/PTD less than ideal; probably time to order the JM CK AIWB 2.5 like I should have done. In particular it’s like there’s not enough room for my hands (Size M).

Thinking about it, this is probably more to do with the fact I’m trying to work with a micro-sized pistol. My G19 by comparison is much, much easier to get a grip on (well, duh, Rich).

3) The WC grip, while thicker, and “feels” better, also seems to be harder to find/locate my master grip on, as compared to the thinner OEM grip. There’s just more room to put my fingers in, with the original grip. I wasn’t expecting that, at all.


Operational

I took it to my local square range today. Ammo was Federal AE 124 FMJ.

Scores were:

10 rounds on a B-8 at 25 yards, standing two hand unsupported, slow fire: 83-1X, with 10/10 on paper. Group seemed a bit high, maybe 3”. (Previous Best: 78-0X). 10 rounds on a B-8 at 10 yards in 10 seconds (aka The Test): 97-3X. (Previous Best: 92-1X). 10 rounds Find Your Level at level 1, 5 yards: Clean, 10/10 (Previous Best: 8/10)

All of these scores are personal bests for me with the P365X.

[awp_101]

Now, if we can just get Wilson to offer a slightly larger manual safety we’d be cooking with gas.

I don’t think I’ve ever handled a manual safety 365. Is the safety larger than the one on the Shield? If so, this new module could be the thing that pulls me away from the Shield.

[98z28]

I don’t think I’ve ever handled a manual safety 365. Is the safety larger than the one on the Shield? If so, this new module could be the thing that pulls me away from the Shield.

It’s actually usable, unlike the stock Shield safety. The Shield safety is dangerous, in my opinion. It could be inadvertently activated and it is difficult to swipe off safe.

I can consistently manipulate the P365 safety under as much stress as I can simulate, but it took a while before I felt comfortable with it. A wider safety would be a welcome improvement.

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[awp_101]

Thanks that’s helps and gives me something to consider.

[GAP]

Thanks that’s helps and gives me something to consider.

The safety is useable. However, I found it to be really sharp and it loved to cut the inside of my thumb.

[HeavyDuty]

Just got home from the airport and was a little wired, so I installed the P365MS module that arrived while I was gone. First impressions are very favorable, and it works fine with a JMCK OWB2.

[D-der]

I ran 100rd's through my XL with the WC module over the weekend,
initial impression's are good, I was slower cold out of the holster,
getting a solid grip on the draw is just different than the Razorback,
While I'd like more aggressive texture on the side panels ,I do
like the front and back strap texture which along with the slight
palm swell give a more solid grip...so far, so good.

[RJ]

... I was slower cold out of the holster,
getting a solid grip on the draw is just different than the Razorback,



Same here. I made a slight adjustment (one mounting hole) yesterday in my JM CK holster, moving the shell up slightly. This added a touch more room to get my hand in. I'll try this in dry practice today and see if I can get my par times back to what I was before.

Can't get over how different the gun feels...like I said, it's almost HK VP series-like now...really solid...

[DM-SC]

My WC grip mods should be here this week.

Looking forward to trying them out.

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[JCN]

While I'd like more aggressive texture on the side panels ,I do
like the front and back strap texture which along with the slight
palm swell give a more solid grip...so far, so good.

I like a really aggressive side panel so I’m thinking of taking a soldering iron or adding some grip tape.

[D-der]

I like a really aggressive side panel so I’m thinking of taking a soldering iron or adding some grip tape.

I'd expect grip tape will move around on you, given the module texture and contours.
I'd put a talon Pro kit on my Razorback and after 6 weeks or so of AIWB and a few
hundred rounds it's wrinkled and about due for replacement...it might be worth a try
before the soldering iron though

[JCN]

I'd expect grip tape will move around on you, given the module texture and contours.
I'd put a talon Pro kit on my Razorback and after 6 weeks or so of AIWB and a few
hundred rounds it's wrinkled and about due for replacement...it might be worth a try
before the soldering iron though

I have some really aggressive skateboard tape that I have used on guns and it doesn’t move.

Might think about adding the silicone carbide and epoxy trick.


https://youtu.be/FbkpUKWKQjo

[RJ]

I'll try this in dry practice today and see if I can get my par times back to what I was before.


Did my set of Gabe White Technical Skills tests (dry) again today with the P365x+WC module. With the holster change, there is now enough room to get an immediate firm purchase on the grip for the presentation. Made some solid gains on par times over my November timings, in fact, on two drills; the Bill Drill and F2S.

What's bogging down my draw slightly now, is the length of the beavertail. It's impeding a smooth grasp by being just a bit too long. I'd removed the M backstrap with beavertail and installed the M backstrap without beavertail on my G34 for exactly this reason. I doubt I'll dremel the beavertail on the WC (yet), so for the moment I'll train around it.

[Thy.Will.Be.Done]

I have some really aggressive skateboard tape that I have used on guns and it doesn’t move.

Might think about adding the silicone carbide and epoxy trick.


https://youtu.be/FbkpUKWKQjo

What a hot mess, I didn't know people do this to guns. LOL.

[LockedBreech]

I don’t think I’ve ever handled a manual safety 365. Is the safety larger than the one on the Shield? If so, this new module could be the thing that pulls me away from the Shield.

I know this has been answered by a few people but thought I'd throw my hat in. I generally don't have strong feelings on safety guns, I typically use Glocks and M2.0s that don't have one but I learned to shoot on F-type Berettas and still shoot them a good bit so it's still comfortable for me to use a safety-equipped gun and I don't forget the deactivate motion.

My fiancee, who has carried off and on for years but never practiced much or carried anything quality (we're working on all of that) much prefers a manual safety gun. Initially I couldn't find a MS P365 in stock so I got her a Ruger EC9s. It functions reliably with a variety of ammo but I'm not very fond of it for two reasons. 1.) I have big old hands and my grip activates the slide lock, same problem I've had with classic P-series Rugers. Last time we were at the range the gun stopped twice during operation because my thumb bumped the slide lock up. Easy malfunction to fix but I did not care for it. 2.) The manual safety is tiny and to my feel does not give a strong positive click, so I found myself not knowing if it was on or off at least once. I am still going to keep it (it was cheap as hell and resale is basically nonexistent, and it does run with 4 varieties of JHP) but I needed better for my gal , so I snagged a P365-MS as soon as I could. Vast improvement. Really, really usable safety, neither she or I had any issues operating it for the first range session. More comfortable to shoot by a good bit too, the chubbier/shorter frame is more comfortable to us than the thin EC9s frame.

Not as good as the full-size M&P or M17 safeties, but I wouldn't expect that from a micro-compact. Very good for the category, I think perhaps best-in-category.

Also, for what it's worth, I've owned 2 Shields and currently EDC a Shield Plus. Completely agree with you about the Shield's manual safety, that stupid vertical slider makes the Ruger's safety look like a 1911 safety.