New S&W CSX

[RJ]

Maybe Smith called it the CSX, because it's going to be a train wreck? :confused:

Rob you owe me a new Logitech keyboard because I just snorted coffee all over this one. :)


On topic - I appreciate all the reviews here. I was curious about this new gun and came across David's video ( THeHumbleMarksman ) the other day and looked further.

There seem to be some good things about this gun (metal frame, ambi controls). Take down requires a punch, it appears, from watching the S&W video. I did have a couple questions, apologies if this has been answered: Does the trigger have a sliding action i.e. a 1911 or is it a hinged trigger? It looks like it would slide? (Edit: On a further look, appears to be a top hinged trigger)

Second question, the S&W page has this statement:

The innovative design incorporates external safeties pinned inside the grip and located under the hammer. These steel ambidextrous safeties hinge along the back of the grip for efficient access and positive engagement for different hand sizes and shooting grips.

What does "pinned inside the grip" mean?

EDIT TO ADD: On reflection, the above seems to be Marketing's version of "The external safety rotates on a pin at the rear of the grip."

I thought it was a curious decision to introduce a small metal frame SA pistol designed for CCW to be carried cocked and locked. Not sure what the target market is for this pistol, but I'm not in it. $609 MSRP seems a bit spendy. More power to them if they sell, though.

[Hambo]

Golob or S&W needs a better video editing intern. It has nothing to do with the gun, but you look like an idiot. About the pistol, I find it oddly appealing for reasons I cannot explain. However, I've hit the wall vision wise and anything I buy from now on needs to be cut for optics or have a 26" barrel so I can see the sights. When S&W works the bugs out and makes a 2.0 optics ready model I'll take a closer look.

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[19852+]

I like it but I'm not in the market at the moment. I hope it stays around long enough for S&W to make a larger version.

[Polecat]

Surely Sig will do the same with their 938, just stick a P365 mag in it, or better still, design it from the ground up, for red dot, don’t use the stupid rx sight plate combo. CZ, think micro DWX!

[Noah]

Surely Sig will do the same with their 938, just stick a P365 mag in it, or better still, design it from the ground up, for red dot, don’t use the stupid rx sight plate combo. CZ, think micro DWX!

I'm kinda shocked S&W beat them to the punch on this.

[RJ]

3:59 of Ms. Golob’s video:

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This is with the small backstrap installed I believe. For someone who has seen this configuration, is this as, ah, unfinished as it looks?

[bofe954]

3:59 of Ms. Golob’s video:


This is with the small backstrap installed I believe. For someone who has seen this configuration, is this as, ah, unfinished as it looks?

The "NOPE" guy shows the same thing and mentions it around 1:05 of his video.

[CSW]

3:59 of Ms. Golob’s video:

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This is with the small backstrap installed I believe. For someone who has seen this configuration, is this as, ah, unfinished as it looks?

That looks like azz.

What the hell was S&W thinking?

[HeavyDuty]

It’s almost like a part is missing. Hello, Talon?

[boing]

If your hand is small enough for the small backstrap, I guess you could plant the heel of your support hand in there and gain some traction on the edge of the pocket. A texture would be more grippy and less hot-spotty, and costly in the aluminum. It does look like a “you can shoot it like this, but we assume you won’t” kind of feature.

[idahojess]

These could work.

http://tractiongrips.com/catalog/i420.html

Edited to add video:


http://youtu.be/ZP6AYj3G3j4

[MattyD380]

Just looking at it, I’m not too worried about the lack texture on the aluminum. I feel like my support hand would mainly index on the extended “side wings” of the backstrap—which kinda seem palm-swell-ish. Then of course you’ve got texture on the front and backstrap. So… seems like you’ve got traction where you need it?

But then again… I haven’t held the thing. And everyone’s hands are different.

[wvincent]

Handled one yesterday. Ergo's seemed nice, safety was positive, although I would wish for a wider ledge, like my Staccato.
Trigger was heavy, I guessed around 6-6.5#'s, although I'm sure it will getter better after some use.
All in all, I liked it.
I think the tag price was $549.

[octagon]

Handled one today. I can't say it does much for me. The grip with full backstrap was decent enough and although the safety was positive on and off it was not the best positioning and overly stiff while new at least. The trigger was heavy and a bit gritty. That trigger face safety is all but useless as it is almost the same width as the trigger.

[Elwin]

That trigger face safety is all but useless as it is almost the same width as the trigger.

My guess would be it’s a drop safety and not intended to do anything about NDs. The hinged M&P trigger safety is similar in that regard, and there are other striker triggers that would be the same. So is the trigger safety on the Hudson 9, which this is reminiscent of (though the H9 was straight back instead of pivot).

[Navin Johnson]

Looks like lots of aftermarket opportunities for the grip....CT etc.

[backtrail540]

https://pistol-training.com/cold-weather-fun-with-the-csx/

[psalms144.1]

I got to fingerbang one of these this week at a PSA store in Columbia. I was really in the "going to get" category until I handled it.

The safety on the version I handled was small, soft, and not positive. As a dedicated 1911 guy, I could definitely imagine "missing" that safety under stress, especially with gloves.

The trigger was OK enough - I don't want a 2# trigger on a tiny carry gun. And, it's not a 1911, so I think there's only so much you can accomplish with the hinged trigger. I'd put it on par with some of the old HiPower clones I've shot in the past - short, but not crisp.

The grip felt OK, but again, nothing to write home about. The grip was JUST too short for my not immense hands with the 10-round magazine, and the salesman didn't have the 12 rounder handy to compare. I'm in violent agreement with the reviewer who said S&W missed the mark with the length of the grip with the flush-fit 10-round mag.

Sights were similarly only OK - but aftermarket will almost certainly take care of that

At this point, I'm firmly in the wait awhile camp. If this gun gets any traction, I'm sure there will be a 2.0 - maybe with a 507K footprint direct mount? And, S&W is going to have to do something about that stupid "floating sleeve" on the 12 round magazines - I can't imagine running one of those on my hip in a mag pouch, grabbing it, and finding the sleeve flopping in the wind.

On a TOTALLY unimportant note, it's also butt fugly. There's nothing about the appearance of the pistol in person that makes my heart flutter. I'm used to that (I have a lot of Glocks, after all), but in something that's being discussed like a subcompact hi cap 1911, it's a let down. If only S&W made a 1911, and knew what one looked like, and how the safety worked...

[revolvergeek]

Looks like the Star PD, resurrected in plastic.

I love the 1911, and, if this was truly a 1911 subcompact with a polymer frame, I'd be on it like white on rice. But this? I'll let someone else buy it, shoot it, and sell it to me cheap.

Maybe more like a resurrected Star Firestar Plus. Same here; if I see a used one cheap in a couple years I may have to check it out.

[Lester Polfus]

Has anybody come up with a reason to get this gun over one of the P365 variants, other than "SAO is for cool guys?"

[Joe in PNG]

Has anybody come up with a reason to get this gun over one of the P365 variants, other than "SAO is for cool guys?"

Because a hammer is nice for preventing unexpected loud noises when holstering?

[Lester Polfus]

Because a hammer is nice for preventing unexpected loud noises when holstering?

There's a "de-cocker" joke in there somewhere, but my fever is too high to make it.

After 20 years of carrying Glocks, I am rethinking manual safeties now that I'm mostly carrying AIWB. Do I have to? Probably not, but 20 years is a good run for a platform.

The P365 can be had with a manual safety that looks usuable.

But.

Good point.

ETA: The other thing is, both the devil and the angel on my shoulders are saying "just turn all those Glocks into revolvers."

[MattyD380]

I think the short answer is that an SAO hammer fired gun might be easier to shoot well than a P365.

But I dunno. I’ve never shot a P365. Maybe they’re awesome.

[octagon]

Because a hammer is nice for preventing unexpected loud noises when holstering?

The 365 has a manual safety option.

[TheNewbie]

Because a hammer is nice for preventing unexpected loud noises when holstering?

I sometimes think my TDA P-07 offers a wider safety margin than a gun with a manual safety, but short and light trigger pull and no hammer. Especially when the safety is so so at best.

[03RN]

ETA: The other thing is, both the devil and the angel on my shoulders are saying "just turn all those Glocks into revolvers."

Yes

[MrInox]

I’m struggling to understand the market need being met here.


Small hammer fired guns that don’t have sandpaper grip textures that make them a chore to carry IWB?


I like guns like that. The CSX probably isn’t that gun though (the p239 will probably remain that gun for me)

[Gun Mutt]

I'm not the demographic for this pistol, but I saw one in the case at the LGS and asked to handle it. Fairly comfy in the hand, not as slippery as I was expecting, not sure what backstrap was on it. Thumb safety was a little gritty, but it went up & down.

I'd share my thoughts on the trigger pull, but the damn thing wouldn't release the hammer...like at all. Mag in, mag out, safety up, down, with pressure on it, without...nada. I look at the clerk and ask if I'm missing something. He snatches it out of my hand saying, "I don't know. I messed with it some the other day and got it to work, but I'm not sure how. I think maybe it has to have a round chambered to drop the hammer."

If I'm lying, I'm flying. He really said that. I'd eschew the place altogether except that I pass it every time I leave work, so the indoor range makes it worth my while. Well, when the range is actually up and running anyway.

[GJM]

I handled one yesterday. :confused:

Since the trigger is twice as heavy as a Glock/M&P/etc, not sure why it needs a thumb safety.

[Navin Johnson]

Most of the reports are of greatly varying triggers out of the box. And the trigger becoming much better after 500 ish rounds some even saying the false reset goes away or is much less pronounced.

If this is the case it is a different approach than the SFA guns of late that the trigger goes to shit after some use.

This thing is on a trajectory for either bomb or bust.

[TDA]

I'm not the demographic for this pistol, but I saw one in the case at the LGS and asked to handle it. Fairly comfy in the hand, not as slippery as I was expecting, not sure what backstrap was on it. Thumb safety was a little gritty, but it went up & down.

I'd share my thoughts on the trigger pull, but the damn thing wouldn't release the hammer...like at all. Mag in, mag out, safety up, down, with pressure on it, without...nada. I look at the clerk and ask if I'm missing something. He snatches it out of my hand saying, "I don't know. I messed with it some the other day and got it to work, but I'm not sure how. I think maybe it has to have a round chambered to drop the hammer."

If I'm lying, I'm flying. He really said that. I'd eschew the place altogether except that I pass it every time I leave work, so the indoor range makes it worth my while. Well, when the range is actually up and running anyway.

That’s hilarious. “Did you have a round in the chamber when you got it to work the other day?” would perhaps be a rude follow up, but has a definite Happy Gilmore style “You eat pieces of shit for breakfast?” kind of appeal.

[Trukinjp13]

Don’t hate me. But I like it in person. Have not shot. But it felt good in hand with correct backstrap. Build quality seems good. Trigger is heavy no doubt. Safety was easy off, little harder on for me. Install Sights and shoot the crap out of the thing. Was well above the 938 IMO, that pistol was way too small for my hands.


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[Jason M]

I got to handle one today at the Great American Outdoor Show. I was underwhelmed. The fit of the thumb safety was not well done. It was positive when placing it in safe but mushy when moving it to fire. Additionally, the safety was really small. So small that in my hands it was easy to miss. The trigger really heavy and had some crunch to it. Beings as this was a new thing for S&W and it was at their booth I would have thought that they would have brought a better specimen. it's kind of a cool package but it (at least this one) didn't shine. Ironically, it was placed next to the various Judge offerings. Maybe the 2.0 version will be better.

[joshs]

I got to handle one today at the Great American Outdoor Show. I was underwhelmed. The fit of the thumb safety was not well done. It was positive when placing it in safe but mushy when moving it to fire. Additionally, the safety was really small. So small that in my hands it was easy to miss. The trigger really heavy and had some crunch to it. Beings as this was a new thing for S&W and it was at their booth I would have thought that they would have brought a better specimen. it's kind of a cool package but it (at least this one) didn't shine. Ironically, it was placed next to the various Judge offerings. Maybe the 2.0 version will be better.

I looked at two demo CSXs at SHOT, and one had a trigger like you describe, while the other was substantially better. Maybe they have some inconsistency in the triggers, or they just need to get pulled a few thousand times to get rid of the crunch.

I thought the safety was relatively easy to take off safe, but difficult to put back on.

[HeavyDuty]

The inconsistency is concerning.

[TC215]

I handled one today when I went to the LGS to spend a bunch of gift cards I had accumulated.

I actually liked the way it felt in my hand. Trigger wasn’t bad at all. Safety was smooth both directions, but it definitely needs to be wider.

I ended up with a Shield Plus.

[echo5charlie]

So I finally got to finger bang one of these. Given my new job is a 'permissive but treat as NPE' type I have been looking for a better mousetrap, the CSX may have a place for me. I think I'll be giving one a try if Tony Mayer or Dark Star Gear tools up for holsters.

[psalms144.1]

I traded into one, then ended up trading it away in under two weeks. Two range trips were enough to show me it didn't do anything for me that the Shield Plus doesn't do better.

[echo5charlie]

I traded into one, then ended up trading it away in under two weeks. Two range trips were enough to show me it didn't do anything for me that the Shield Plus doesn't do better.

I already have a Shield Plus so maybe I can head this one off at the pass:

what did you find sub-par compared to the Shield?

[psalms144.1]

I already have a Shield Plus so maybe I can head this one off at the pass:

what did you find sub-par compared to the Shield?Accuracy, trigger, and felt recoil. Add in no easily available NS, no reasonable holsters (at the time), it was a hot ball of "no thanks." The safety was OK, moved smoothly, but not nearly "positive" enough for my taste - especially an ambi. I'd be VERY worried about it inadvertently wiping off.

The 10-round magazine is plain too short. The 12 round magazine is a PERFECT length for that grip, but the cheesy free floating semi-firm "sleeve" on it is a hot mess. I agree with the reviewer who said S&W should have just made this a 12-round gun from the jump, and extended the grip the tiny little fraction of an inch to make that a flush fit magazine. Then they could sell 10-round "modified" mags to folks in capacity restricted jurisdictions.

My buddy who HAD TO have it, so bought it over my voiced objections, is a "if it's S&W it has to be great" fanboi. Even he thinks it's a hot mess - and seems to be having issues with the trigger resetting? Luckily, he's got a couple of pet S&W armorers who agreed to look at it for free.

[echo5charlie]

Accuracy, trigger, and felt recoil. Add in no easily available NS, no reasonable holsters (at the time), it was a hot ball of "no thanks." The safety was OK, moved smoothly, but not nearly "positive" enough for my taste - especially an ambi. I'd be VERY worried about it inadvertently wiping off.

The 10-round magazine is plain too short. The 12 round magazine is a PERFECT length for that grip, but the cheesy free floating semi-firm "sleeve" on it is a hot mess. I agree with the reviewer who said S&W should have just made this a 12-round gun from the jump, and extended the grip the tiny little fraction of an inch to make that a flush fit magazine. Then they could sell 10-round "modified" mags to folks in capacity restricted jurisdictions.

My buddy who HAD TO have it, so bought it over my voiced objections, is a "if it's S&W it has to be great" fanboi. Even he thinks it's a hot mess - and seems to be having issues with the trigger resetting? Luckily, he's got a couple of pet S&W armorers who agreed to look at it for free.

Thank you for that. Very valid points to consider.

Of note - the magazine length issue = it seems that more companies plan their small pistols around the 10-round magazine. Many, many years ago I had the epiphany that had the AWB not existed the Glock 29 and 30 would be much better guns.

Fast forward almost 25 years and we are still in the same boat, it seems.

[Navin Johnson]

Accuracy, trigger, and felt recoil. Add in no easily available NS, no reasonable holsters (at the time), it was a hot ball of "no thanks." The safety was OK, moved smoothly, but not nearly "positive" enough for my taste - especially an ambi. I'd be VERY worried about it inadvertently wiping off.

The 10-round magazine is plain too short. The 12 round magazine is a PERFECT length for that grip, but the cheesy free floating semi-firm "sleeve" on it is a hot mess. I agree with the reviewer who said S&W should have just made this a 12-round gun from the jump, and extended the grip the tiny little fraction of an inch to make that a flush fit magazine. Then they could sell 10-round "modified" mags to folks in capacity restricted jurisdictions.

My buddy who HAD TO have it, so bought it over my voiced objections, is a "if it's S&W it has to be great" fanboi. Even he thinks it's a hot mess - and seems to be having issues with the trigger resetting? Luckily, he's got a couple of pet S&W armorers who agreed to look at it for free.

What would be the concern with the safety being inadvertently wiped off? The weight of the trigger pull is likely higher than many SF guns without a manual safety.

[psalms144.1]

What would be the concern with the safety being inadvertently wiped off? The weight of the trigger pull is likely higher than many SF guns without a manual safety.Trigger weight is one thing, but trigger travel is significantly shorter than any SF pistol I've shot. Moreover, any factory safety that's easy to defeat unintentionally is a non-starter for me. YMMV, of course.

[Tony Mayer]

So I finally got to finger bang one of these. Given my new job is a 'permissive but treat as NPE' type I have been looking for a better mousetrap, the CSX may have a place for me. I think I'll be giving one a try if Tony Mayer or Dark Star Gear tools up for holsters.

I finger banged it a bit over the weekend. If we get enough interest for it we may add it but there are so many better options not sure I see the point to it.

[backtrail540]

My LGS had a s&w demo day today and I got to shoot most of their lineup, from 10mm m&p's, shield plus, shield ez, to compacts. Only 6 rounds each but still something to notice red flags etc...Everything was pretty ho hum m&p expectation except the csx.

I found it to be terrible. I rarely get slidebite from guns but got sliced with the csx. Thumb safety was miniscule and I didn't get an impression that it be good for me under pressure. Recoil was moderate for the size and as others have said, it didn't feel as squirmy as it looks. I'm not trigger picky so not much to comment on there, no complaints I guess. I shot terribly but all the guns ran fine. The csx just was the least enjoyable option there and didn't seem like a good choice. I'm not really in that demographic either, so take it with a large grain of salt. But I would simply take a shield plus or shield.

[Tuefelhunden]

It's really too bad. I was interested in the CSX until all these negative reviews. Hopefully S&W will rework a rev 2 and fix these concerns. As a lefty who used to have and really liked a Sig P938 this seemed like a step forward and perhaps it is just not well executed. That half assed small grip panel really says it all.

[GJM]

https://youtu.be/Sb4HCpxjmbQ

[Tuefelhunden]

I hate to be a necroposter but I bought one of these CSX's a while back and finally got a chance to shoot it one afternoon at deer camp. Being a lefty, the ambi controls in a 10/12-round 9mm pistol so small peaked my interest. Short version for my purposes I like it. I intend to use it for bug pocket type duty.

I put maybe 150 rounds (2 different brands of ball and several odds and ends hollow points) through it just on a paper plate at 7 and 14 yards to test initial reliability, accuracy, etc. It proved very reliable and recoil was reasonable given the size. It's no tack driver at least not in my hands but the slightly larger 12 round magazine helped a lot. I had heard a lot about short stroking the trigger with this model. I did not have that problem but I also didn't try and do any fast strings with it.

I have always regretted trading off a Sig 938 many years ago on who knows what and this fills back in that niche nicely. I got a good pocket holster for it and it's just light enough for cargo short or jeans pocket carry for me. It's an odd duck but if it continues to prove reliable I think I've found my version of a snub 38. I'd still prefer something like the CSX in a smooth DOA but until then this will work.

[zaitcev]

Prediction: This thing will not sell and will be gone in two years.
The post above was made in December 2021, which is almost two years ago. And indeed nobody even remembers that CSX existed. I cannot even tell if it uses the magazines from Plus and EQ, or not (it really should).

[Tuefelhunden]

I believe the mags are exclusive to the model. It may not have sold very well but it is still available. To be honest the CSX's best attribute over a Shield (other than it's size to capacity ratio) is it's ambi controls. If an ambi safety, even the chicklet sized one, was an option on the shield I'd have a few of them. I would surmise a right hander would consider both the Shield Plus and a CSX and wonder why in the world would they pick the CSX. Reasonable. S&W fell ass backwards into providing a nice lefty friendly gun. I doubt that was their intent but thanks anyway.

[Navin Johnson]

A large local retailer (large, private ) tells me they sell everyone they can get

Most people don’t know about them and when they show them the CSX it sells

FWIW

[TheNewbie]

I handled one the other day, and I was actually more impressed with it than I thought I would be. The safety was better then expected and it “felt good in the hand”.



I would prefer a DAO type CSX, but it’s probably an ok option for a lot of people.

[MattyD380]

I haven't read/heard anything to suggest they're unreliable. Maybe with small hands, it would fit me well. The consistent negative I've heard is that they can have sort of a false reset.

I wouldn't mind trying one out at some point.

[SoCalDep]

I’ve had mine for around a year now and overall I like it.

Like all “small” pistols, it has trade offs, so I’ll start with a list of pros and cons:

Pros:

Reliability - 100% with FMJ and Federal HST over maybe 250 rounds.
Consistency in manipulation of controls.
Ergonomics/Pointability.
Concealability ratio to size.


Cons:

Slide bites with my normal grip - not horrible but not ideal.
Apparently early triggers had a significant “false reset”. Mine isn’t bad.
Marketing.
Practical engineering and design.


If you pin the trigger and fire on reset, this gun will punish you… That’s a reality, but admit it… you deserve to be punished.

This is a perfect example of S&W not understanding how to make the most of the situation. They can produce a good gun and they can do the flashy releases and basic marketing that all manufacturers do, but they seem to have a really hard time getting people who know what the hell they are doing to provide long term sustainability to their marketing campaigns. The M&P is a great gun and they keep doing the same marketing… Are they selling guns? Yep. They are making money but they aren’t building a reputation… and they could be.

To piggy-back on that, they seem to have this tendency to come up with a great idea, a good design, and then it’s like they get tired at the end and say “F-it! It’s good enough - let’s go home”. In my mind this is the ideal micro-compact design for those who carry a 2011-type pistol. It has a higher capacity than the Sig 938 and similar designs, ambi safety and reversible mag catch, decent sights, is reliable and has capacity options. The fact they couldn’t make some minor ergonomic changes to reduce slide bite for the majority of people, clean up the trigger a bit, and put a solid base plate on the 12rd mag is indicative of a sales philosophy of getting to market to get sales rather than building a product that helps build the brand.

They did the same thing with the M&P Metal… They even ignored a lot of their own employees who questioned the “why” and the if so “why that way” because they wanted an easy-button “get it to market” metal frame solution rather than to actually figure out why metal frames became popular on traditionally polymer guns (that popularity developed because other brands were building a reputation by building what knowledgeable people wanted… I doubt you’ll see many M&P Metals at the USPSA Nationals outside Team S&W…)

Ultimately I like the gun and in spite of the drawbacks it fits a niche for me that no other pistol does.

[PTSDog]

I had mine for maybe two hours! LOL. Looking back, the trigger was not great, and I’m not a trigger snob. But to have that trigger on a SAO pistol, I didn’t understand. I waited almost a year before I got one, even got a holster and extra mags before getting it.

I then shot the CSX. I shot almost 100rds and accuracy was good, on par with my G26 and P365X results. Way better than any other “micro” compact except the Ruger Max 9 Pro, go figure. But that trigger! I couldn’t deal with it. I took a break, went and talked to my co workers at the range drink a soda. Shot another box of shells. Accuracy was still good but the trigger kept messing with me.

I think I was hoping Apex or someone would come out with an aftermarket trigger for it, but I guess there wasn’t enough outlook for such a product. So I traded it that day and towards a SW PC 1911 Officers model we had for sale. Guess I was hoping the CSX was going to be my 1/3rd priced SAO over the SW 1911, but didn’t happen for me.

I’m still thinking about the CSX! If they did upgrade the trigger, might be willing to take a chance. I’ve taken back ex’es before……..

[Navin Johnson]

How bad is the reset when actually shooting the gun (drills, at speed) instead of comparing it to a tuned 1911?

Thanks

[GlockenSpiel]

A large local retailer (large, private ) tells me they sell everyone they can get

Most people don’t know about them and when they show them the CSX it sells

FWIW

I have heard similar from gun shops for the EZ and Equalizer. I think S&W is the leader in carry guns for "non gun" people.

[LittleLebowski]

The inconsistency is concerning.

It's a S&W thing often.

[TheNewbie]

I would actually like a grip safety on the thing. Being SAO, but I guess it’s not that much different than a BHP.


VS a Glock, even with an SCD, you get a safety and hammer to control, so I guess it’s still a pretty good deal.


S&W might be the guys to bring back a DAO gun like this.

[Tuefelhunden]

I'll admit that the trigger isn't great but it depends on what you want to do with it. For me it is just a close range self defense tool with a very reasonable capacity in a tiny package. A last ditch get off me gun like a snub 38 and that's what I wanted. Pushing it beyond that role would just be an exercise in frustration for me at least.

[Tuefelhunden]

As an aside, the slide is very easy to rack and the controls are equally easy to use. This may fit nicely in the dexterity compromised or elderly market the EZ is targeting if they can handle the recoil which I found very reasonable even with hotter hollow points. YMMV!

[SoCalDep]

How bad is the reset when actually shooting the gun (drills, at speed) instead of comparing it to a tuned 1911?

Thanks

It’s really not bad at all. The trigger press starts with the pressing the paddle style trigger safety, which is almost imperceptible. There’s a very slight bit of take up and then a pretty crisp fairly heavy triggers press at about 5 to 6 pounds. I don’t find the reset to be an issue at all, because I don’t ride the reset. If you do, there are two pretty distinct clicks, and if you try to reset it the first one, that’s a problem. I also believe it’s a Training problem and people who do that are doing it very much wrong.

[psalms144.1]

I too owned a CSX for about 3 minutes. I found the safety to be better than the Shield Plus, but not by much. The hinged trigger wasn't great either. It did precisely nothing for me that the Shield Plus didn't do better, so down the road it went to a buddy who's a S&W fanatic, and has to have at least one of everything they make. He subsequently reported that it had to go back to the factory for some issue, which wasn't adequately addressed, and required further "work" by his local gunsmith (NFI).

I simply don't see the attraction, frankly.

[BobM]

I got an email from S&W this morning about the “E series” CSX. Now available with a grip module for a larger grip with up to 17 round capacity, optic ready, and choice of two barrel lengths. It’s not anything that interests me, just passing it along

[HeavyDuty]

Almost like they’re following the P365 playbook going larger. Now they need a more usable thumb safety.

[Brianjkeene]

Still surprised they updated this before updating the shield. And they made all these changes to the CSX without adding a pic rail for lights.

[LockedBreech]

For all my love of the M&P fullsize and compact guns, which continues as strong as ever, I've fallen out of love with their subcompacts. My P365XL is simply better for my purposes. They work, but they don't quite hit the spot for me.

[Tuefelhunden]

I still like my CSX but my expectations may differ. It is a pocketable close range self defense weapon. Reasonable weight, capacity and reliable. Works for me in cargo shorts or jeans pocket. I wouldn't consider it a long range shooter or even very accurate. The Shield Plus and Shield are superior but for me not a pocket size.

E series version looks pretty cool with the longer barrel. I'd be interested in shooting one. They'd have to improve that trigger to make it close to as capable as a Shield.

[SS90]

I’ll admit I’m interested in the new 3.6” E Series, but not enough to be a guinea pig. I wish they had improved the thumb safety, seems there are no aftermarket solutions after three years. I’m not very optimistic about holster selection either.

[45dotACP]

For all my love of the M&P fullsize and compact guns, which continues as strong as ever, I've fallen out of love with their subcompacts. My P365XL is simply better for my purposes. They work, but they don't quite hit the spot for me.

Do you mean the G26 sized subcompact or the shield/shield+/csx/EZ/Equalizer lot?

Their micro carry pistol lineup is a mess. All I want is a G26 sized M&P and all the LGS near me look at me with a blank stare and ask if I mean the shield 2.0.....

[LockedBreech]

Do you mean the G26 sized subcompact or the shield/shield+/csx/EZ/Equalizer lot?

Their micro carry pistol lineup is a mess. All I want is a G26 sized M&P and all the LGS near me look at me with a blank stare and ask if I mean the shield 2.0.....

The micro ones. I like their G26-ish size one.

[mmc45414]

All I want is a G26 sized M&P and all the LGS near me look at me with a blank stare and ask if I mean the shield 2.0.....

I like their G26-ish size one.

Yeah, they still make the 3.6in subcompacts, though they are 12rnds instead of 10rnds (is that a problem in Illinois?).
I have a 1.0 with an Apex kit and a couple JMCKs and a ton of mags, tucked in a bag in the bottom of the safe, figuring somebody will want it someday.
They make flush mags, and M&P baseplates are not hard to come by.

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[HeavyDuty]

I still think they would get traction with a DAO or TDA version of the CSX. I know the market is striker driven these days, but CSX must sell well enough to iterate.

[Polecat]

May try a new one, but I didn’t like the trigger on my early one! I love the form factor. Would love a SIG 938 with P365 mag! Give me a micro Staccato or Micro BUL.