eForms coming back

[WobblyPossum]

I just got an email from Silencershop that ATF will begin accepting ATF Forms 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, and 9 as eForms starting sometime between Dec 15-28. eFiling Form 4s should hopefully cut down on the wait.

[HCM]

I just got an email from Silencershop that ATF will begin accepting ATF Forms 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, and 9 as eForms starting sometime between Dec 15-28. eFiling Form 4s should hopefully cut down on the wait.

Just came here to post this. Link for more info:

https://www.silencershop.com/blog/post/eforms-update-atf-eforms-launch-imminent?utm_source=Drip&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=12.3.21%20%5BeForms%20%230%5D&utm_content=Body

[ccmdfd]

Just got this also.

I've got a couple of applications that haven't been mailed yet. Looks like they're going to electronically file them. Wonder how much wait time is reduced.

[snow white]

Awesome news! I wonder if paper forms will be fast tracked to get them out of the way. I have one can in jail at the moment.

[Wake27]

Awesome news! I wonder if paper forms will be fast tracked to get them out of the way. I have one can in jail at the moment.

I hope so, my first form 4 was cashed in early March and others are starting to get theirs back from that timeframe so I’m hoping any day now. I bought the thing in early November of last year so this has already taken longer than I was hoping.


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[snow white]

I hope so, my first form 4 was cashed in early March and others are starting to get theirs back from that timeframe so I’m hoping any day now. I bought the thing in early November of last year so this has already taken longer than I was hoping.

Same here man. I was hoping to hear back around Thanksgiving so hopefully any day now.
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[Borderland]

Just got this also.

I've got a couple of applications that haven't been mailed yet. Looks like they're going to electronically file them. Wonder how much wait time is reduced.

If it's anything like efile tax returns it will be about the same time as it takes snail mail forms. Our efile taxes took about 2 months for a return this year. It isn't about the lightning speed of filing, it's about the glacial speed of the fed to do anything with it once they have it.

[5pins]

My last two eform 1's took 3 weeks.

[757_Magnum]

I just bought a can from Silencer during one of their sales, and I called today to ask if they can hold off submitting the form 4 until the eForms are active. The rep said they were already planning to do that.

[HCM]

Awesome news! I wonder if paper forms will be fast tracked to get them out of the way. I have one can in jail at the moment.

Not sure if that is feasible give many of those processing them are (or at least were) teleworking.

[Seven_Sicks_Two]

While I wish the NFA weren't a thing at all... it would be rad if E-file Form 4s end up having the short turnaround time of E-file Form 1s.

[HeavyDuty]

My last two eform 1's took 3 weeks.

My first one that was approved last month took three months.

[5pins]

My first one that was approved last month took three months.

I wonder why?

My first form 1 suppressor took 4-months because I gave it a model name. I found out that will put in "pending research" for 90 days. I didn't make that mistake the second time.

[HeavyDuty]

I wonder why?

My first form 1 suppressor took 4-months because I gave it a model name. I found out that will put in "pending research" for 90 days. I didn't make that mistake the second time.

I’m guessing because it was a brand new trust? No idea.

[5pins]

I just got an email about the new eform system. The upgrade will start on the 17th and should be finished on the 21st. Form 4's will be accepted after the upgrade.

[CleverNickname]

Still no mention of electronic 5320.20's. Hopefully that'll also be implemented at some point.

[5pins]

Just got an email that the finish date is pushed back to Thursday the 23rd at 6am. Can't say I'm surprised.

[noguns]

I’m just now interested in suppressors and sbrs. Does this mean that it could be sooner than 9 months to purchase a suppressor?

Thanks

[Gray Ghost]

How are photos and fingerprints for the responsible person(s) going to work for Form 4 eForms? I did several Form 1 eForms before they changed the rules, but I have not done one since.

[Wake27]

I’m just now interested in suppressors and sbrs. Does this mean that it could be sooner than 9 months to purchase a suppressor?

Thanks

That’s the hope based on how much faster they process form 1s.


How are photos and fingerprints for the responsible person(s) going to work for Form 4 eForms? I did several Form 1 eForms before they changed the rules, but I have not done one since.

I’ve only done it through Silencer Shop but it was very easy with their kiosk.


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[ccmdfd]

I sure hope that any reduction in processing times with electronic filing more than makes up for the one month that my suppressors have been sitting in jail with nothing being done at all.

[5pins]

Seems to be working.

[ccmdfd]

Got an email from silencer shop. They are expecting wait times for form 4 to be roughly 90 days.

[rathos]

Any one else seeing this issue? I cannot complete my registration as the drop down boxes for Country, State and Secret question will not populate. I tried a few different browsers and computers.

[ccmdfd]

Anyone gotten this to work yet?

Received an email from Silencer Shop saying they were waiting for a couple of days to let the bugs get worked out, and that my dealer would be contacting me in another 2 weeks or so in order to actually get the applications filed.

Yesterday got an email from Capitol Armory which was a flyer for current sales, but there was a blurb about them experiencing a lot of issues with the system crashing.

[jandbj]

Old e-forms crashed constantly.... my confidence in ATF somehow finally getting it right is fairly low.

[Nephrology]

I have a couple items pending eForm submission. For those of you who bought via SilencerShop, how long did it take from filling out their docusign stuff to them submitting theForm? I'm a little under 2 weeks I think at this point, just wondering.

[MK11]

I have a couple items pending eForm submission. For those of you who bought via SilencerShop, how long did it take from filling out their docusign stuff to them submitting theForm? I'm a little under 2 weeks I think at this point, just wondering.

Three weeks for me back in September.

[Nephrology]

Three weeks for me back in September.

Cool. Hopefully, cans in hand come April ish then... range probably frozen or on fire I guess between now and then so not in a rush ;)

[ccmdfd]

Tried to create my account with ATF and the website absolutely sucks. A lot of drop down menus without any choices available. Without making a choice you aren't allowed to proceed.

[ccmdfd]

Got it to work with an older computer running IE.

Edge, phone, and Chrome were no-goes.

[WobblyPossum]

I’m not surprised that everything seems bugged and not very user friendly at the initial launch. Hopefully they get things polished and functional sooner rather than later.

[Not HighSpeed]

I had to reset mine because the website kept saying that my password and username didn't match the existing one(s). It still took me calling the ATF helpdesk and someone reset it from their end. It's all good and now I'm just waiting on my dealer (Capital Armory), to complete the efile submission.

[JCN]

Mine worked off my iPhone a few days ago for a Form 1. Sent in fingerprint cards today.

[MDFA]

Just started my Form 1 for an SBS. Waiting for my serial # etc to complete the process...

[Nephrology]

Will be giving the new system a go with a form 1 for a third SBR'd lower when my fingerprint cards get here from Silencer Shop next week.

Speaking of which, hopefully will be hearing from them soon. Have a couple cans pending with them to be completed via their eForms process but still radio silence. Per their website I should be hearing from my FFL/SOT to verify my eForms and get them rolling. Hopefully so.

[Flamingo]

Got this email from the ATF today:


Dear eForms Users,

At this time, we find it necessary to make everyone aware of some problems many of you are experiencing with ATF’s shift of all licensing applications to cloud services to include the eForms application. We are working on all reported issues around the clock to ensure they are fixed as quickly as possible. The failing infrastructure of the original legacy eForms system required us to move to this new environment as expeditiously as possible. We are sorry that you have been experiencing problems as a result. There will be continuous fine tuning to ensure all applications are working in sync.

Unfortunately, anomalies still exist with registration, login, and other areas in the application, and we are triaging those issues in real time. The development team is actively working to improve your ability to access your accounts and to perform all functions in eForms quickly and reliably. Despite internal and industry testing these anomalies have still surfaced after launch. You should be seeing significant improvements in the coming hours and days. Once basic performance is stabilized beyond an acceptable level, we have several planned tasks to add and improve features over the coming months.

We apologize for any current problems that you are experiencing and are taking them very seriously. This new eForms is built to evolve rapidly and continuously. ATF has the support team in place to keep pushing improvements until eForms smoothly delivers the services needed by all users.

Mason B. McDaniel
Chief Technology Officer
Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, & Explosives (ATF)

I am going to wait a few weeks and let the system get fixed.

[MDFA]

Completed my Form 1 yesterday, no glitches even though I logged in and out over a few days waiting for my TAC 14 to arrive. Sending my fingerprint cards out today.

[Lon]

Completed my Form 1 yesterday, no glitches even though I logged in and out over a few days waiting for my TAC 14 to arrive. Sending my fingerprint cards out today.

Gonna do mine this weekend.

[5pins]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMI9Hx3pLAM

[ccmdfd]

At least another week, according to my dealer yesterday.

[LittleLebowski]

I’m waiting on a YHM Turbo K with Hansohn right now.

[Kyle Reese]

I’m waiting on a YHM Turbo K with Hansohn right now.

I've got a Dead Air Sandman S MIL in my cart now.

[Nephrology]

I've got a Dead Air Sandman S MIL in my cart now.

👀 Do it

[ccmdfd]

The software appears to be working now. My submissions are finally in.

[Nephrology]

The software appears to be working now. My submissions are finally in.

Same. Have a form 1 SBR pending as well. Have seen a few Form 1s get approved in 1-2 weeks which is wild. Fingers crossed I get that lucky!

[ccmdfd]

Same. Have a form 1 SBR pending as well. Have seen a few Form 1s get approved in 1-2 weeks which is wild. Fingers crossed I get that lucky!

Cool!

Best of luck and keep us updated.

I've been debating form1'ing a braced pistol.

[WDR]

Submitted Form 4 on a trust last week... was way faster than filling out paper forms. If they really start turning these in 90 days, I'll be tickled pink, and knee deep in .22LR brass by summertime. I shall not hold my breath, but I'm hopeful, given how fast they seem to be turning Form 1's.

[GyroF-16]

Cool!

Best of luck and keep us updated.

I've been debating form1'ing a braced pistol.

May I ask why?

Just in case?
To be able to put a stock on it?

I have enough AR lowers that I’d now consider creating one that’s more inconvenient to travel with.
Just wondering if there were advantages I hadn’t considered.

[ccmdfd]

May I ask why?

Just in case?
To be able to put a stock on it?
.

Little bit of both.

I have one SBR, came from the factory that way. I definitely shoot it better then a braced pistol of similar design.

I have a few braced pistols. And I have no intention of changing at least two or three of them no matter what happens with the laws. I will either get rid of them, or get rid of the braces if necessary.

But one of my guns is a pistol caliber and I would want to keep it as an SBR.

That being said I'm just toying with the idea right now. Haven't made up my mind one way or the other.

Travel is not really a consideration for me.

[jh9]

Dear ATF eForms account user,

This email serves as a reminder that your access to ATF’s eForms portal is conditioned upon continued compliance with the ATF eForms rules of behavior.

The ATF eForms rules of behavior expressly states that “the USERID, password, and PIN are to be used solely for personal use, or in connection with the performance of your work-related responsibilities as a bona fide employee if your responsibilities require the use of ATF’s eForms on behalf of a business entity. Use of your USERID, password, or PIN by anyone other than yourself is expressly prohibited.”

Further, the ATF eForms rules of behavior states that “a federal firearms licensee (FFL) cannot submit any eForm on behalf of a customer or another FFL where the customer or other FFL must have their own account.” This means that the submission of any ATF eForm must be made by the appropriate account holder. For example, an FFL may not submit an eForm 1 on behalf of a maker because the FFL is not the maker of the firearm. Similarly, an FFL cannot use another FFL’s eForms account to submit any eForm on behalf of the other FFL.

Violations of the ATF eForms rules of behavior is considered a breach of system security and will result in ATF taking action against your ATF eForms account, up to and including account termination.

Setting aside the implication that this is to my knowledge the only tax form that an individual can't have prepared on their behalf...

Any comment on what this bodes for SOTs who are e-filing form 4s on behalf of their customers? If I'm reading it right (HA! HAHAHA! ha.) businesses who are e-filing on behalf of a customer will have to use their own account, even though the contents of the form would remain unchanged? Which leaves open the question of how a person would get access to duplicates of their approved eform 4. But I assume that's more of a feature than a bug.

Or is this a precursor to a raft of youtube tutorials on how to e-file your own form 4 with a lot of back and forth between you and your SOT/FFL to make sure you get the details of the item being transferred correct.

[ccmdfd]

Setting aside the implication that this is to my knowledge the only tax form that an individual can't have prepared on their behalf...

Any comment on what this bodes for SOTs who are e-filing form 4s on behalf of their customers? If I'm reading it right (HA! HAHAHA! ha.) businesses who are e-filing on behalf of a customer will have to use their own account, even though the contents of the form would remain unchanged? Which leaves open the question of how a person would get access to duplicates of their approved eform 4. But I assume that's more of a feature than a bug.

Or is this a precursor to a raft of youtube tutorials on how to e-file your own form 4 with a lot of back and forth between you and your SOT/FFL to make sure you get the details of the item being transferred correct.

Great questions.

I wondered the same thing myself when I read that email.

[23JAZ]

Can finally arrived at my dealer and we got the form 4 filed.
84005

[HeavyDuty]

Has anyone recently tried to access eForms since the changes using an iPad or iPhone? I used to be able to do it, but not anymore. No problem with a Windows PC.

[5pins]

I just submitted a form 1 for a suppressor. I guess I will see how it goes.

[JCN]

Has anyone recently tried to access eForms since the changes using an iPad or iPhone? I used to be able to do it, but not anymore. No problem with a Windows PC.

I did mine on my phone

[HeavyDuty]

I did mine on my phone

I even tried the help desk (where one of the options is to be connected to the JTTF, lol) and they couldn’t help. I’ve tried Safari, Firefox and Chrome on the iPad. No problems at all with the Windows PC.

[JCN]

Finally got my first submission approved (two weeks after the second and third ones), took 40 days.

Maybe because my picture uploaded sideways? Or maybe because the quality of the SilencerShop fingerprints were worse than the ones I got locally?

Or maybe for no reason at all?

[jh9]

Finally got my first submission approved (two weeks after the second and third ones), took 40 days.

Maybe because my picture uploaded sideways? Or maybe because the quality of the SilencerShop fingerprints were worse than the ones I got locally?

Or maybe for no reason at all?

Your e-filed form 4(s) took 40 days?

[JCN]

Your e-filed form 4(s) took 40 days?

Sorry, it’s a form 1 for an SBR.

:(

[jh9]

Sorry, it’s a form 1 for an SBR.

:(

Ah. I got excited there for a second.

My expectations are back on the floor, where they probably belong...

[rcbusmc24]

We just had a form 4 for a Ballistic Research & Machine can come back in 29 days. It was E filed on Jan 17th and came back this morning approved. We have stuff that we E filed earlier that hasn't come back yet so we don't know if this is a fluke or the new normal....but its a good sign I think.

[ccmdfd]

We just had a form 4 for a Ballistic Research & Machine can come back in 29 days. It was E filed on Jan 17th and came back this morning approved. We have stuff that we E filed earlier that hasn't come back yet so we don't know if this is a fluke or the new normal....but its a good sign I think.

1. Congrats!!
2. Sounds like it may be just the same as the old method, never know what's going to happen until it happens.

[Kyle Reese]

E-Form 1 (SBRed a BCM lower)

Date submitted- 2-7-2022

Fingerprint cards mailed- 2-7-2022

Approved Form 1 in hand- 2-17-2022

[joshs]

E-Form 1 (SBRed a BCM lower)

Date submitted- 2-7-2022

Fingerprint cards mailed- 2-7-2022

Approved Form 1 in hand- 2-17-2022

That's awesome. I did a Form 1 (also a BCM lower) on 2/4. Still waiting . . .

[Kyle Reese]

That's awesome. I did a Form 1 (also a BCM lower) on 2/4. Still waiting . . .

Hopefully you get the email today! :)

[Controlledpairs2]

There is still some inefficiency internally with eform. I had 3 checks cashed on 1/17/22 but only 2 of those eforms show transferred from the dealer to me as of 2/17/22. Upon calling NFA division, I was told after the bank in Portland cashes the check, there is still some manual entry in VA. The customer service folks are not sharp on their internal processes and only seem to be able to access small portions of their system.

[joshs]

There is still some inefficiency internally with eform. I had 3 checks cashed on 1/17/22 but only 2 of those eforms show transferred from the dealer to me as of 2/17/22. Upon calling NFA division, I was told after the bank in Portland cashes the check, there is still some manual entry in VA. The customer service folks are not sharp on their internal processes and only seem to be able to access small portions of their system.

Why did you have checks with an eform? You should have paid the tax through pay.gov.

[Controlledpairs2]

Why did you have checks with an eform? You should have paid the tax through pay.gov.

I might be using the wrong nomenclature. i paid through silencershop.

[ccmdfd]

That's awesome. I did a Form 1 (also a BCM lower) on 2/4. Still waiting . . .


Hopefully you get the email today! :)

Individual vs. Trust making a difference?

[joshs]

Individual vs. Trust making a difference?

Possibly. Mine is a trust. Although I did use the 24 month exemption.

[Kyle Reese]

Individual vs. Trust making a difference?

Mine was individual.


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[Nephrology]

We just had a form 4 for a Ballistic Research & Machine can come back in 29 days. It was E filed on Jan 17th and came back this morning approved. We have stuff that we E filed earlier that hasn't come back yet so we don't know if this is a fluke or the new normal....but its a good sign I think.

Well.. dang! I have two eForm 4s I filed on 1/17th myself... fingers crossed!!

[Controlledpairs2]

cashed 1/17/22
eforms form 4s returned approved 3/3/22

[ccmdfd]

cashed 1/17/22
eforms form 4s returned approved 3/3/22

Congrats!!! That's awesome.

Individual or trust?

cc

[Controlledpairs2]

Congrats!!! That's awesome.

Individual or trust?

cc

Sorry. Forgot to say it was individual

[TAZ]

Wow. That’s pretty quick… relatively speaking that is. Might make me jump into an SBR or Suppressor if I don’t have to wait a year or so.


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[DaBigBR]

Setting aside the implication that this is to my knowledge the only tax form that an individual can't have prepared on their behalf...

Any comment on what this bodes for SOTs who are e-filing form 4s on behalf of their customers? If I'm reading it right (HA! HAHAHA! ha.) businesses who are e-filing on behalf of a customer will have to use their own account, even though the contents of the form would remain unchanged? Which leaves open the question of how a person would get access to duplicates of their approved eform 4. But I assume that's more of a feature than a bug.

Or is this a precursor to a raft of youtube tutorials on how to e-file your own form 4 with a lot of back and forth between you and your SOT/FFL to make sure you get the details of the item being transferred correct.

An FFL is not filing "on behalf of a customer." The FFL, as the transferror, has always been responsible for completion of the Form 4. For their part, the customer certifies with their username and PIN the same as they would have ink signed before.

The fact that some FFLs may have allowed or even expected the customer to complete the Form 4 of at least their part of the past is irrelevant.

My experience in completing eForm 4s so far is that it is quicker and easier with a lower probability of errors.

[Nephrology]

cashed 1/17/22
eforms form 4s returned approved 3/3/22

Oh man.... I have 2 cans pending that date myself. Fingers remain crossed...

[23JAZ]

First time getting a suppressor. How do you know when your e-form 4 is approved? I don’t see any forms listed in my e-forms account. Do I just check the Silencer Shop site?

[EricP]

First time getting a suppressor. How do you know when your e-form 4 is approved? I don’t see any forms listed in my e-forms account. Do I just check the Silencer Shop site?

The ATF will send you an email with a pdf of your approved form with the stamp.

[Seven_Sicks_Two]

Eform 4 - Silencerco Omega 300
submitted/cashed - 01/14/22
Trust (1 responsible person)
Approved - 03/30/2022
74 days

Now I'm just waiting on SiCo to send me my BOGO Octane 45 so I can do it all again.

[ccmdfd]

Eform 4 - Silencerco Omega 300
submitted/cashed - 01/14/22
Trust (1 responsible person)
Approved - 03/30/2022
74 days

Now I'm just waiting on SiCo to send me my BOGO Octane 45 so I can do it all again.

Cool!

I've got 2 form 4's submitted 4 days later.

[Nephrology]

Eform 4 - Silencerco Omega 300
submitted/cashed - 01/14/22
Trust (1 responsible person)
Approved - 03/30/2022
74 days

Now I'm just waiting on SiCo to send me my BOGO Octane 45 so I can do it all again.

Have 2 pending on the 17th as well, fingers crossed!!

[JohnO]

Purchased my 1st can back in May 2021. Never thought I would want one until I screwed up and hurt on of my ears. Ordered a Sandman the next day. Check cashed in June 2021. Approaching 10 months now for a Form 4. This is frustrating!

[ccmdfd]

Purchased my 1st can back in May 2021. Never thought I would want one until I screwed up and hurt on of my ears. Ordered a Sandman the next day. Check cashed in June 2021. Approaching 10 months now for a Form 4. This is frustrating!

Yeah. NFA stuff is definitely not for the instant gratification type. The form 4's I submitted back in Jan were for items paid for in mid-November. It took that long to get eforms up and running and to get software kinks worked out. Got another suppressor purchased 3/11 and it's still somewhere between Silencer Shop and my dealer, so the form 4 hasn't been submitted yet.

Of course I look at Silencer Shop's website last week and it says they've had form 4's completed in 7 days in some instances.

I've been wondering where they are in terms of processing all of the paper forms filed last year.

[Seven_Sicks_Two]

...I've been wondering where they are in terms of processing all of the paper forms filed last year.

The scuttlebutt around NFA groups on Reddit and FB is that there is a different set of examiners for paper Form 4s vs eForms.

Granted, the reported approval dates in the NFA groups aren't representative of everyone, but it looks like the bulk of current paper approvals were submitted in April/May 2021.

[joshs]

The scuttlebutt around NFA groups on Reddit and FB is that there is a different set of examiners for paper Form 4s vs eForms.

Granted, the reported approval dates in the NFA groups aren't representative of everyone, but it looks like the bulk of current paper approvals were submitted in April/May 2021.

That's not scuttlebutt, NFA Division confirmed that was the case at SHOT Show. Once the paper backlog is clear (when they get to December 2021 the number of paper submissions should drop significantly), more of those examiners will be reassigned to the eForms side.

[Nephrology]

First of my pending eForm 4s just went though! Turbo K.

Strangely, approval came for just one of the 2 I submitted on 1/31. No approvals yet for the 2 other eForms I filed 1/17.

Hopefully the other 3 aren't far behind!

[ccmdfd]

First of my pending eForm 4s just went though! Turbo K.

Strangely, approval came for just one of the 2 I submitted on 1/31. No approvals yet for the 2 other eForms I filed 1/17.

Hopefully the other 3 aren't far behind!

Congrats!

Looks like the new system is working like the old one. Depending upon which examiner gets your particular application, you can have a long wait or a very short one.

[Nephrology]

Congrats!

Looks like the new system is working like the old one. Depending upon which examiner gets your particular application, you can have a long wait or a very short one.

Ha. Still is kind of weird. Was hoping for batch effect...

I start on HPB service with Dept chair next monday so was hopig to take a bunch of stuff to the range this week. Will have to settle for the one can for now. Still a big improvement!

[Wake27]

First of my pending eForm 4s just went though! Turbo K.

Strangely, approval came for just one of the 2 I submitted on 1/31. No approvals yet for the 2 other eForms I filed 1/17.

Hopefully the other 3 aren't far behind!

There was a guy in my squad at a rifle match in Ramah on Saturday that was using one. Everyone kept talking about how light the direct thread variant is and how it has no business being as cheap as it is.


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[Nephrology]

There was a guy in my squad at a rifle match in Ramah on Saturday that was using one. Everyone kept talking about how light the direct thread variant is and how it has no business being as cheap as it is.


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and the second form I submitted on the same day just got approved this AM as well (Turbo T2) so now I have the pair!

Still odd these 2 forms from 1/31 were approved before the forms submitted 1/17. Weird. Oh well. Will be planning to hit the range Thursday to test them out!

[ccmdfd]

and the second form I submitted on the same day just got approved this AM as well (Turbo T2) so now I have the pair!

Still odd these 2 forms from 1/31 were approved before the forms submitted 1/17. Weird. Oh well. Will be planning to hit the range Thursday to test them out!

Man, you are on a roll!

Enjoy!

[WDR]

I'm a bit jealous. I've been hoarding .22 subsonics since early January (15th) as well... I have a YHM Phantom rimfire can in jail. I check my email daily. Sad part: I don't even own a threaded .22 right now. I can't find the threaded Buckmark I want locally.

Also need to find an older Ruger 77/22 to have threaded... I'm hearing the new American .22 bolt guns are so-so.

[ccmdfd]

I'm a bit jealous. I've been hoarding .22 subsonics since early January (15th) as well... I have a YHM Phantom rimfire can in jail. I check my email daily. Sad part: I don't even own a threaded .22 right now. I can't find the threaded Buckmark I want locally.

Also need to find an older Ruger 77/22 to have threaded... I'm hearing the new American .22 bolt guns are so-so.

Check out the CZ .22's. I've been impressed with mine. More costly than Ruger though.

[Nephrology]

I'm a bit jealous. I've been hoarding .22 subsonics since early January (15th) as well... I have a YHM Phantom rimfire can in jail. I check my email daily. Sad part: I don't even own a threaded .22 right now. I can't find the threaded Buckmark I want locally.

Also need to find an older Ruger 77/22 to have threaded... I'm hearing the new American .22 bolt guns are so-so.

I have absolutely no idea why my 2 forms submitted 1/31 went through while my forms from 1/17 are still pending. I had different agents on both of my forms so it was not an individual effect.All 4 submitted as individual.

[ccmdfd]

I have absolutely no idea why my 2 forms submitted 1/31 went through while my forms from 1/17 are still pending. I had different agents on both of my forms so it was not an individual effect.All 4 submitted as individual.

There has always been somewhat of a mystery involved with this. Kind of like playing the lottery.

Which reminds me, does anyone know the name of the person who supposedly got their forms approved in 7 days from silencer shop? I'd like to have them pick my next set of Powerball numbers.

[LHS]

Yeah. NFA stuff is definitely not for the instant gratification type. The form 4's I submitted back in Jan were for items paid for in mid-November. It took that long to get eforms up and running and to get software kinks worked out. Got another suppressor purchased 3/11 and it's still somewhere between Silencer Shop and my dealer, so the form 4 hasn't been submitted yet.

Of course I look at Silencer Shop's website last week and it says they've had form 4's completed in 7 days in some instances.

I've been wondering where they are in terms of processing all of the paper forms filed last year.

I bought two cans last week, done via SilencerShop's software and eForms. I asked my SOT how long things were taking via that route, and he just shrugged and said "Dunno, none have come back yet." He also mentioned he was getting paper form 4s back from about a year ago.

[Nephrology]

and the second form I submitted on the same day just got approved this AM as well (Turbo T2) so now I have the pair!

Still odd these 2 forms from 1/31 were approved before the forms submitted 1/17. Weird. Oh well. Will be planning to hit the range Thursday to test them out!

Well, got a text from my FFL, my other 2 cans went through today. Will pick them up Saturday.

[MK11]

This is some crap. I've had no movement on my form 4 from last October.

[ccmdfd]

Well, got a text from my FFL, my other 2 cans went through today. Will pick them up Saturday.

Congrats again!

How did your day at the range go?

Still waiting on my 2 4's from 1/18. My first form 1 was disapproved at the 30 day mark. They say my Responsible persons questionnaire was not signed. I know I signed it, but perhaps in haste I clicked on the wrong pdf to upload.

[Nephrology]

Congrats again!

How did your day at the range go?

Still waiting on my 2 4's from 1/18. My first form 1 was disapproved at the 30 day mark. They say my Responsible persons questionnaire was not signed. I know I signed it, but perhaps in haste I clicked on the wrong pdf to upload.

Day at range went great! Posted pics here (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?32301-What-did-you-shoot-today&p=1340874#post1340874)

[ccmdfd]

I don't Instagram so here's a screenshot.

87277

[ccmdfd]

Day 91 and 1 of 2 form 4's for suppressors, trust with 1RP, approved.

[TAZ]

These “short” wait times may just push me over the edge on a 22 “gateway” can.

Hope the trend continues.


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[ccmdfd]

These “short” wait times may just push me over the edge on a 22 “gateway” can.

Hope the trend continues.


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IMHO, .22's are the best.

Wish I had started with them instead of centerfire pistol.

[ccmdfd]

Day 94 and now 2/2 form 4 (trust 1 RP) approved.

Local dealer says they have to wait for paper stamp to arrive. Other dealer in town, and some on this forum say there are no more paper stamps, at least for efile. Asked ATF for clarification and no response yet.

[JCN]

Day 94 and now 2/2 form 4 (trust 1 RP) approved.

Local dealer says they have to wait for paper stamp to arrive. Other dealer in town, and some on this forum say there are no more paper stamps, at least for efile. Asked ATF for clarification and no response yet.

At least for my Form 1s there were no paper stamps.

[joshs]

Local dealer says they have to wait for paper stamp to arrive. Other dealer in town, and some on this forum say there are no more paper stamps, at least for efile. Asked ATF for clarification and no response yet.

Unless the dealer requested a copy from NFA Division, there is no paper stamp.

[ccmdfd]

At least for my Form 1s there were no paper stamps.

Yeah the dealer involved with my current transaction says form 1's are all email, but form 4's are not.

[ccmdfd]

Unless the dealer requested a copy from NFA Division, there is no paper stamp.

I will ask if they made that request or not. They didn't mention it in our conversations. If they didn't, then I've got to figure out how to convince them that they are wrong.

ATF still hasn't responded to me, and that's a bit unusual as every other request I have sent them was answered in 24 hours.

Thanks

[joshs]

I will ask if they made that request or not. They didn't mention it in our conversations. If they didn't, then I've got to figure out how to convince them that they are wrong.

ATF still hasn't responded to me, and that's a bit unusual as every other request I have sent them was answered in 24 hours.

Thanks

If that doesn't work, just PM me. I can ask NFA Division to let the dealer know so they aren't holding up their customers.

[ccmdfd]

If that doesn't work, just PM me. I can ask NFA Division to let the dealer know so they aren't holding up their customers.

Will do.

Thanks a bunch!

Edited

And that ladies and gentlemen is one reason why you join pf.com!

[walker2713]

Ordered my third can today….a Dead Air Mask 22…went through my local LGS. It’s been submitted electronically so I’ll cross my fingers, say a prayer and wait.

I’d previously set up an acc’t at atf, so already had user name and pin code…..I’d been thinking about an SBR but decided to stick to the pistol format.

My first were a few years ago and took 9 months and 11 months respectively, so it won’t take much to improve on that level of service.

George

[ccmdfd]

Form 1 SBR, trust with 1 RP. Submitted 4/6, approved 4/27.

[JCN]

Form 1 SBR: submitted 4/17 approved 4/27!

[HeavyDuty]

This is annoying me. I’m coming up on six weeks for a eForm 1 SBR, and still nothing. Y’all must live charmed lives.

[joshs]

This is annoying me. I’m coming up on six weeks for a eForm 1 SBR, and still nothing. Y’all must live charmed lives.

Mine took about 60 days. NFA Division still testing various different ways to improve the process, which is why some are seeing very short approvals.

[JCN]

Mine took about 60 days. NFA Division still testing various different ways to improve the process, which is why some are seeing very short approvals.

I heard a rumor that people with past military / top secret clearance in past get delayed in NICS, possibly contributing? Any truth to that? Or is it just luck of the draw?

[joshs]

I heard a rumor that people with past military / top secret clearance in past get delayed in NICS, possibly contributing? Any truth to that? Or is it just luck of the draw?

Possibly, but probably not. FBI used to let NFA NICS delays sit because they are not subject to the 72 hour automatic proceed provision. ATF claims that they haven't had issues with that recently, so the differences in NFA processing time likely don't have anything to do with NICS.

[Wake27]

I heard a rumor that people with past military / top secret clearance in past get delayed in NICS, possibly contributing? Any truth to that? Or is it just luck of the draw?

I don’t think it affected any of mine, I got all three right in the normal time window people were posting.


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[JCN]

I don’t think it affected any of mine, I got all three right in the normal time window people were posting.


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Normal like 45-60 days?

This calendar year my track record is:

30 days
14 days
14 days
10 days

[GyroF-16]

I’m doing some SBR Form 1’s, assigning them to a trust.
The pdf filler I’m using (cleverly named “pdfFiller”) has the ability to create and use digital signatures.
I’ve done so, and used them on the 5320.23 “Responsible Person” forms. The form instructions seem to allow digital signatures for eforms, but the eforms site refers to “signed and scanned pdf”.

Has anyone here used the digital signature option, with good results?

I’m about ready to start submitting the Form 1s, but am waiting for a reply from the eform sites “Ask the Experts” on this issue.

[ccmdfd]

I’m doing some SBR Form 1’s, assigning them to a trust.
The pdf filler I’m using (cleverly named “pdfFiller”) has the ability to create and use digital signatures.
I’ve done so, and used them on the 5320.23 “Responsible Person” forms. The form instructions seem to allow digital signatures for eforms, but the eforms site refers to “signed and scanned pdf”.

Has anyone here used the digital signature option, with good results?

I’m about ready to start submitting the Form 1s, but am waiting for a reply from the eform sites “Ask the Experts” on this issue.

Is DocuSign the same thing as a digital signature? I'm not completely fluent with all the terminology.

If it is, then yes. Every time I purchase something from my dealer they use the silencer shop system to process a form 4, they will have me DocuSign the responsible persons questionnaire. And it has worked fine every time I've done it.

[GyroF-16]

Is DocuSign the same thing as a digital signature? I'm not completely fluent with all the terminology.

If it is, then yes. Every time I purchase something from my dealer they use the silencer shop system to process a form 4, they will have me DocuSign the responsible persons questionnaire. And it has worked fine every time I've done it.

I’m not sure if it’s the same thing, or not. The app I’m talking about puts a digital image of my signature in the blank, with a tiny note saying “verified by pdfFiller” and a date and timestamp. I think I’ve also used whatever system you’re describing when using Silencer Shop. But I’m pretty sure that with an eForm 4, you can use digital fingerprint cards, too, while for an eForm 1, they need to be mailed in…. So the ATF’s processes do not seem uniform.

I could have sworn that some here mentioned that the ATF had always gotten back to them within 24 hrs on questions.
They must not have been using the “Ask the Experts” tab on the eForms site, as I’ve submitted two questions in the past 48 hrs, and nothing but crickets…

FWIW, my other question was how to properly reflect 300 BLK as a caliber on the Responsible Person form.
I’ve gone with “.300 cal”, as I’ve read that things like .338 Lapua should be entered as “.338 cal”.

If anyone knows the correct answer on that, I’m all ears.

[ccmdfd]

I could have sworn that some here mentioned that the ATF had always gotten back to them within 24 hrs on questions.
They must not have been using the “Ask the Experts” tab on the eForms site, as I’ve submitted two questions in the past 48 hrs, and nothing but crickets…



May have been me.

I used that service twice when creating a Form 1 earlier this year. They got back to me right at 24 hours both times. Then I used it a third time regarding issues with form 4. Absolutely zero response several weeks ago now.

[GyroF-16]

May have been me.

I used that service twice when creating a Form 1 earlier this year. They got back to me right at 24 hours both times. Then I used it a third time regarding issues with form 4. Absolutely zero response several weeks ago now.

Great. I guess I’ll have to just throw down and hope I guess right.

Thanks for resetting my expectations for ATF customer service.

[ccmdfd]

Thanks for resetting my expectations for ATF customer service.

[ cynical worldview hat going on]

You and I are not the customers of the ATF. Joe is. And he is perfectly satisfied with their service if it means that the rest of us are in the dark, or get our forms denied, Etc.

[GyroF-16]

[ cynical worldview hat going on]

You and I are not the customers of the ATF. Joe is. And he is perfectly satisfied with their service if it means that the rest of us are in the dark, or get our forms denied, Etc.

Not arguing with you (really!)

But Joe is the boss.
We're still the customers. Both from as the people they "Protect and Serve", and as the ones paying for the service, both through our income tax, and our NFA taxes. If I'm writing you a check, I'm definitely a customer.

But I get what you're saying, and share your frustration.

[ccmdfd]

Not arguing with you (really!)

But Joe is the boss.
We're still the customers. Both from as the people they "Protect and Serve", and as the ones paying for the service, both through our income tax, and our NFA taxes. If I'm writing you a check, I'm definitely a customer.

But I get what you're saying, and share your frustration.

Valid points and no offense taken at all!

If I had to guess, and I mean guess, I would say they're probably completely overwhelmed with a massive uptake of business. I say that because I have two friends in separate retail institutions locally who say that silencer shop has been a bear to deal with lately. It's their opinion that they were completely unprepared for a massive surge of business with e-forms being rolled out.

Would love to see some stats on how many forms have been filed since things rolled out earlier this year.

But no matter how you slice it, it's always frustrating dealing with the entire NFA process.

[GyroF-16]

Valid points and no offense taken at all!

If I had to guess, and I mean guess, I would say they're probably completely overwhelmed with a massive uptake of business. I say that because I have two friends in separate retail institutions locally who say that silencer shop has been a bear to deal with lately. It's their opinion that they were completely unprepared for a massive surge of business with e-forms being rolled out.

Would love to see some stats on how many forms have been filed since things rolled out earlier this year.

But no matter how you slice it, it's always frustrating dealing with the entire NFA process.

I'll bet you're right.
I'll freely admit that the idea that I could use eForms and have SBR approval in a matter of weeks certainly motivated me. That, and wanting to get ahead of the rush that will likely follow the new "Braced Pistol" rules in August.

[JCN]

Rattler SBR form one approved in 8 days….

[HeavyDuty]

Rattler SBR form one approved in 8 days….

Ok, this is starting to piss me off. I’m at almost 60 days for mine. Are you doing a trust or individual?

[JCN]

Ok, this is starting to piss me off. I’m at almost 60 days for mine. Are you doing a trust or individual?

Individual. I submit it on my phone and mail the fingerprint cards the next day.

[ccmdfd]

I still for the life of me have never been able to figure out why a form 1 can be done in such a short timer whereas a form 4 takes much much longer.

The background check, excetera should take the exact same amount of time. I can't imagine there being that much more paperwork involved with a form 4.

Anyone heard any good explanations for this one?

[ccmdfd]

I'll bet you're right.
I'll freely admit that the idea that I could use eForms and have SBR approval in a matter of weeks certainly motivated me. That, and wanting to get ahead of the rush that will likely follow the new "Braced Pistol" rules in August.

Same boat here.

Just got my first form 1 done for converting a braced pistol to SBR. That took two separate submissions since I screwed the first one up and they have a zero-tolerance policy for screw-ups apparently. Unless there's a major change to the upcoming braced pistol rules I will most likely be submitting at least two more in the near future.

I have also purchased more suppressors in the past six months than I have in the past two or three years combined. I should point out that the first two of these were purchased back before I knew that e-forms were going to be a thing. This was followed quickly by some reading and researching and the decision to do most of my plinking as well as most if not all of my hunting suppressed this coming season.

[JohnO]

Ok, this is starting to piss me off. I’m at almost 60 days for mine. Are you doing a trust or individual?

I did a Form 4 Individual for a can in May 2021 at a Silencer Co. kiosk. CRICKETS! @ 355 days now!

[DIESEL]

382 days from check cashed to stamp at shop for my mask.22, over twice as long as it took for my last can a year and a half ago!! both were paper form 4 individual. Dude at shop said they just got their first efile stamp back, it was filed in Late January.

[joshs]

I still for the life of me have never been able to figure out why a form 1 can be done in such a short timer whereas a form 4 takes much much longer.

The background check, excetera should take the exact same amount of time. I can't imagine there being that much more paperwork involved with a form 4.

Anyone heard any good explanations for this one?

I think you'll see the timelines converge (they already have with eForms), but they'll likely get to the point where they are about the same. I'm pretty sure that the difference has to do with examiner tasking (some primarily do certain Form types). As the paper backlog is cleared on 4s, more of the examiners tasked to paper forms will be reassigned to eForms. Form 1s were already electronic, so there isn't a large existing workload of paper Form 1s to clear. When the Form 4 paper backlog is cleared, eForm 4s and 1s should take about the same time. (assuming no crazy demand change that the existing number of NFA examiners simply can't handle).

[GyroF-16]

Two SBR Form 1s came back today, 15 calendar days after submitting. One additional Form 1 that was submitted the same day as the others is still pending.

For those wondering… an electronic signature (as opposed to a scanned image of a signed document) was apparently acceptable, as was “300” in the box for “caliber or gauge” when describing a 300 BLK weapon.

[ccmdfd]

I think you'll see the timelines converge (they already have with eForms), but they'll likely get to the point where they are about the same. I'm pretty sure that the difference has to do with examiner tasking (some primarily do certain Form types). As the paper backlog is cleared on 4s, more of the examiners tasked to paper forms will be reassigned to eForms. Form 1s were already electronic, so there isn't a large existing workload of paper Form 1s to clear. When the Form 4 paper backlog is cleared, eForm 4s and 1s should take about the same time. (assuming no crazy demand change that the existing number of NFA examiners simply can't handle).



That makes sense.

Thanks

[ccmdfd]

For those wondering… an electronic signature (as opposed to a scanned image of a signed document) was apparently acceptable, as was “300” in the box for “caliber or gauge” when describing a 300 BLK weapon.

Good to know. A 300BO is #2 or 3 on my list of upcoming Form 1's.

[ccmdfd]

For those wondering… an electronic signature (as opposed to a scanned image of a signed document) was apparently acceptable, as was “300” in the box for “caliber or gauge” when describing a 300 BLK weapon.

Any idea if "multi" will work? That's what my 300BO pistol has engraved.

[HeavyDuty]

Any idea if "multi" will work? That's what my 300BO pistol has engraved.

I’ve heard no, I think on their Form 1 FAQ.

[delphidoc]

Any idea if "multi" will work? That's what my 300BO pistol has engraved.

I tried that last week. An error flag will appear to the left of that firearm's listing and you won't be able to submit the form. I had to go back and enter "300" before I could submit it.

[ccmdfd]

/\ /\

Thanks to you both!

[ccmdfd]

Form 1 trust, 1 RP, SBR. Submitted 5/19, approved 6/2. 14 days.

[GyroF-16]

Two SBR Form 1s came back today, 15 calendar days after submitting. One additional Form 1 that was submitted the same day as the others is still pending.

For those wondering… an electronic signature (as opposed to a scanned image of a signed document) was apparently acceptable, as was “300” in the box for “caliber or gauge” when describing a 300 BLK weapon.

The third SBR Form 1 mentioned above was finally approved, 8 days later that the first two, so 23 days after submitting. Different examiner signed it.

[delphidoc]

I'm jealous of y'all.

Form 1 for SBS (Shockwave) 23 days and counting.

Form 1 for SBR (300 Blackout pistol) 21 days and counting.

[Nephrology]

I'm jealous of y'all.

Form 1 for SBS (Shockwave) 23 days and counting.

Form 1 for SBR (300 Blackout pistol) 21 days and counting.

In the past my Form 1s averaged just over a month so 3 weeks isn't so bad. The Form 1 that I got back in about 2 weeks felt like a fluke

[Cacafuego]

Form 4, check cashed 4/22/21. 410 days?
Still "pending".

[HeavyDuty]

Almost three months and counting for an eform 1 SBR…

[ccmdfd]

Almost three months and counting for an eform 1 SBR…

Have you considered contacting them?

That seems way longer than any e form 1 I've done or read about on the web.

[HeavyDuty]

Have you considered contacting them?

That seems way longer than any e form 1 I've done or read about on the web.

I did a few weeks ago and was told they had no information available. I may try again.

[delphidoc]

A few questions:

If there's something wrong with your app like the fingerprint cards weren't received or attached to your app, does ATF let you know?

On the eForms site when your app gets approved does it stay under the "Submitted/ In Process" heading on the left side of the page or does a new heading appear?

If I keep checking the eForms website 8-10 times a day because my apps haven't been approved yet, does that bother somebody at ATF? Please say it does. :mad:

[ccmdfd]

A few questions:

If there's something wrong with your app like the fingerprint cards weren't received or attached to your app, does ATF let you know?

On the eForms site when your app gets approved does it stay under the "Submitted/ In Process" heading on the left side of the page or does a new heading appear?

If I keep checking the eForms website 8-10 times a day because my apps haven't been approved yet, does that bother somebody at ATF? Please say it does. :mad:


1. Can't say for certain. There was a person on the vortex Nation Podcast who stated that with the new system, if there are any mistakes they are just going to outright reject, deny the application. This happened to me with my first form 1 submission. I accidentally uploaded an unsigned copy of the responsible persons questionnaire. Simple computer mistake on my part. Therefore it was rejected.

2. Yes, there will be new headings for Approved or disapproved once that happens.

3. Sometimes it's helpful to think that way!

[StraitR]

A few questions:

If there's something wrong with your app like the fingerprint cards weren't received or attached to your app, does ATF let you know?

On the eForms site when your app gets approved does it stay under the "Submitted/ In Process" heading on the left side of the page or does a new heading appear?

If I keep checking the eForms website 8-10 times a day because my apps haven't been approved yet, does that bother somebody at ATF? Please say it does. :mad:

1) If they detect an error of any kind on the eForm submission you will get an email stating "This is to inform you that the status of your eForms submission has been changed to DISAPPROVED" (Yes, it's in all caps). There is no option to edit mistakes or upload more documents on submitted eForms currently (hopefully one day) once the form has been disapproved. Dealers can upload additional documents while it's "Submitted/In Progress" if they become aware of an issue or omission (Trust documents, photos for trustees, Responsible Persons Questionnaire Form 5320.23, etc), but once the status has changed, you're sunk. On eForms, they will tell you the reason for disapproval and also indicate that your $200 is being refunded. Basically, you have to resubmit.

2) It moves out of "Submitted/In Progress" to "Approved" or "Disapproved". You will get a new "My Forms" subcategory if this is your first submission, see screenshot below.

3) Don't know, sorry. :)

89962

[WDR]

148 days now on a eForm 4 trust... and counting. I had high hopes of having a new can in hand come summertime, when things others had submitted at similar dates started coming in in less than 90 days. I've seen examples of some others that submitted in February and March come back already, but mine is still in limbo. That's a bit frustrating. My first NFA item took 10 months (paper form), and I've seen horror stories of over a year, pushing on two. Seems there is no rhyme or reason to their process.

A right delayed is a right denied. Eh?

[ccmdfd]

Seems there is no rhyme or reason to their process.



Yeah, that's the most maddening part of the whole process. Never know what you're going to get.

Silencer shop is currently reporting an average wait time of 119 days. With the range going from one day( really! Am I supposed to believe that? Who was this person a US senator?) to 132 days. So you are already outside the typical window there.

https://www.silencershop.com/atf-wait-times

Capitol Armory reports it a little differently saying that they're seeing approvals now from the middle of January submission through the end of February submissions.

https://www.capitolarmory.com/support/atf-form4-approvals-dates.html

At least you're not at the 12 + month mark like people who did paper forms last year are dealing with.

[WDR]

Yeah, that's the most maddening part of the whole process. Never know what you're going to get.

...

At least you're not at the 12 + month mark like people who did paper forms last year are dealing with.

Yep, and yep. The latter is the only reason I'm not "mad" about it. Something less than 10 months is still an improvement on my previous experience, but how many folks would pay $200 tax and wait months to years to exercise their right to free speech? Let alone pay a $200 tax for each article... hell, each word uttered.

[Nephrology]

So I have a couple final cans that I submitted to ATF 2/17, within minutes of each other. Weirdly one of them was approved like over a week ago... the other is still pending.

[ccmdfd]

So I have a couple final cans that I submitted to ATF 2/17, within minutes of each other. Weirdly one of them was approved like over a week ago... the other is still pending.

Much longer than 90 days?

[medmo]

1) If they detect an error of any kind on the eForm submission you will get an email stating "This is to inform you that the status of your eForms submission has been changed to DISAPPROVED" (Yes, it's in all caps). There is no option to edit mistakes or upload more documents on submitted eForms currently (hopefully one day) once the form has been disapproved. Dealers can upload additional documents while it's "Submitted/In Progress" if they become aware of an issue or omission (Trust documents, photos for trustees, Responsible Persons Questionnaire Form 5320.23, etc), but once the status has changed, you're sunk. On eForms, they will tell you the reason for disapproval and also indicate that your $200 is being refunded. Basically, you have to resubmit.

2) It moves out of "Submitted/In Progress" to "Approved" or "Disapproved". You will get a new "My Forms" subcategory if this is your first submission, see screenshot below.

3) Don't know, sorry. :)

89962

I submitted a form 4 for a can in February. My menu is different on the left side under My Forms. Any idea if this is a problem? Thanks

[Nephrology]

Much longer than 90 days?

Yeah the can that went thru was approved at 109 days, not sure where the 2nd one would be at now but + 10 days ish

[ccmdfd]

I submitted a form 4 for a can in February. My menu is different on the left side under My Forms. Any idea if this is a problem? Thanks

Submitted by a dealer?

If that's the case, then yes you will not see anything on the website. You should get an email however when the form is approved.

The only things that show up for me in my submissions are form 1s which I did myself. Everything I've purchased from a dealer does not show up.

[ccmdfd]

Yeah the can that went thru was approved at 109 days, not sure where the 2nd one would be at now but + 10 days ish

Yeah it looks like things are definitely slowing down with this. Probably a big rush of new purchasers with the new system being out there.

[ccmdfd]

Yeah the can that went thru was approved at 109 days, not sure where the 2nd one would be at now but + 10 days ish


Yeah it looks like things are definitely slowing down with this. Probably a big rush of new purchasers with the new system being out there.

SOB!

Not 10 minutes after posting, I got a Form 4 approved at 85 days!

[Nephrology]

SOB!

Not 10 minutes after posting, I got a Form 4 approved at 85 days!

Haha. It seems to go like that sometimes. 85 days is very good for recent wait times which seem to average ~110-120 days lately. congrats !

[HeavyDuty]

Just spent a half hour on the phone with ATF, yesterday was 90 days on my eform 1 SBR. This is going to be an issue with my move coming up in less than two weeks.

[ccmdfd]

Just spent a half hour on the phone with ATF, yesterday was 90 days on my eform 1 SBR. This is going to be an issue with my move coming up in less than two weeks.

Were they helpful?

[HeavyDuty]

Were they helpful?

Not really. “Call back in 30 days.”

[HeavyDuty]

Well, maybe the phone rep took pity on me. My eform 1 for the Rattler came through today, and I have an appointment with the engraver this evening.

[ccmdfd]

/\ /\ /\

Great!!

[StraitR]

I submitted a form 4 for a can in February. My menu is different on the left side under My Forms. Any idea if this is a problem? Thanks
@ccmdfd (https://pistol-forum.com/member.php?u=364) is correct below. An eForm 4 would have been submitted by your dealer, so it won't show on your account, only theirs. I assumed the poster I quoted earlier was referring to an eFrom 1 that they had submitted themselves.

ETA: As for wait times, our quickest has been 73 days, but our average is probably 120ish. Our most recent approved eForm 4 was submitted February 3rd and came back at 119 days. We're currently waiting on all eForm 4 submissions placed on and after Feb 4th, so 130 days and counting.



Submitted by a dealer?

If that's the case, then yes you will not see anything on the website. You should get an email however when the form is approved.

The only things that show up for me in my submissions are form 1s which I did myself. Everything I've purchased from a dealer does not show up.

[Nephrology]

@ccmdfd (https://pistol-forum.com/member.php?u=364) is correct below. An eForm 4 would have been submitted by your dealer, so it won't show on your account, only theirs. I assumed the poster I quoted earlier was referring to an eFrom 1 that they had submitted themselves.

ETA: As for wait times, our quickest has been 73 days, but our average is probably 120ish. Our most recent approved eForm 4 was submitted February 3rd and came back at 119 days. We're currently waiting on all eForm 4 submissions placed on and after Feb 4th, so 130 days and counting.

What is very weird is that I got an eForm 4 approved last week, submitted 2/17. I submitted a second can within minutes of this eForm. Still pending

:confused:

[WDR]

152 days and still counting on a e-file Form 4 on a trust. I called a few weeks ago and got "pending"... I have not spoke with my dealer recently, but last time I did, my submission was the oldest e-file still on his books. Frustrating. I understand 90 days was just a "goal", but seeing lots of folks with stuff submitted after me, coming through, sorta irks me.

I'm taking a day off work tomorrow, so maybe I'll try to call in the morning, and see if I can pry any more info out of the ATF and see what the hold up is.

[Not HighSpeed]

What is very weird is that I got an eForm 4 approved last week, submitted 2/17. I submitted a second can within minutes of this eForm. Still pending

:confused:

This gives me hope that I'll get the call/email to pick mine up since that's the same day mine was re-submitted and accepted after a correction.

[Bergeron]

Mid-March on my submission. I’ll be happy if I get my can before the end of July.

[StraitR]

What is very weird is that I got an eForm 4 approved last week, submitted 2/17. I submitted a second can within minutes of this eForm. Still pending

:confused:

Yeah, there really is no rhyme or reason to any of it. Other eForms, such as 3's and 9's, can be equally sporadic. My guess is that they've gotten overwhelmed by people that purchased in the Oct-Dec time frame and waited to eFile plus new buyers inspired by the advertised "90 days" wait time.

Hopefully the ability to edit submitted forms, and compiling of multiple submissions by the same individual/corporate entity/trust for a singular background check/review, get added in for the sake of saving everyone time. Then again, we're not talking about Chic-Fil-A here.

[HeavyDuty]

Hopefully the ability to edit submitted forms…

So much this. My Rattler took 30 days longer than needed (for a total of around 120 days) because I screwed up entering the model info, and there was no way of correcting it. I had to plea with them to reject it so I could try again, that took a month.

[ccmdfd]

Yeah, there really is no rhyme or reason to any of it. Other eForms, such as 3's and 9's, can be equally sporadic. My guess is that they've gotten overwhelmed by people that purchased in the Oct-Dec time frame and waited to eFile plus new buyers inspired by the advertised "90 days" wait time.

Hopefully the ability to edit submitted forms, and compiling of multiple submissions by the same individual/corporate entity/trust for a singular background check/review, get added in for the sake of saving everyone time. Then again, we're not talking about Chic-Fil-A here.

Yes, there's so many ways you could improve this process and still make it be as effective as it is currently.

Treat it like my state treats a CCW license. Sand in an application, get your FBI background check, submit your fingerprints and passport photos, notify your Cleo, pay a fee. 90 days later get a NFA license card.

See an NFA item you want at the local store? Drop down your license card. The clerk can call a 1 800 number to see if it's still valid. Assuming it is, process it like you would any other 4473. Walk out the door with your NFA item right then.

Keep your card on your person when you take your items out to the range. No more trying to make sure you have all of your Form 1 and form 4 copies on you.

Renew it every 10 years with a new photo and do background check. Obviously if you get into bad behavior with the court system it gets revoked.

That is just as effective as the current process is in terms of making sure that bad guys don't pick up these kind of items from a store. However, if you truly believe that's what the NFA is for. If, on the other hand, you believe the NFA exists just to make things a PITA, so as to discourage the civilian purchase of these items, then my new plan wouldn't work at all.

[WobblyPossum]

Yes, there's so many ways you could improve this process and still make it be as effective as it is currently.

Treat it like my state treats a CCW license. Sand in an application, get your FBI background check, submit your fingerprints and passport photos, notify your Cleo, pay a fee. 90 days later get a NFA license card.

See an NFA item you want at the local store? Drop down your license card. The clerk can call a 1 800 number to see if it's still valid. Assuming it is, process it like you would any other 4473. Walk out the door with your NFA item right then.

Keep your card on your person when you take your items out to the range. No more trying to make sure you have all of your Form 1 and form 4 copies on you.

Renew it every 10 years with a new photo and do background check. Obviously if you get into bad behavior with the court system it gets revoked.

That is just as effective as the current process is in terms of making sure that bad guys don't pick up these kind of items from a store. However, if you truly believe that's what the NFA is for. If, on the other hand, you believe the NFA exists just to make things a PITA, so as to discourage the civilian purchase of these items, then my new plan wouldn't work at all.

I would LOVE NFA ownership to be tied to such a system. We’re already registered with the government and the ATF knows what NFA items we have. If I could just get some kind of NFA ID card like a carry permit card that I could show to FFL, life would be so much simpler. Show your ID card, send the ATF $200, buy your NFA item or notify the ATF you’re manufacturing a new NFA item. Boom. Done.

[WDR]

Then again, we're not talking about Chic-Fil-A here.

No kidding.

In other news: They must have been listening through my phone while I cussed them for taking so long. My form 4 just showed up approved in my email this morning.

ETA: 153 days

[GyroF-16]

I’d LOVE to see this introduced as a bill in Congress next spring. Because anyone arguing against it would have to admit that the goal of the current system is to make exercise of rights (or maybe privileges in the case of NFA items) difficult and inconvenient.



Yes, there's so many ways you could improve this process and still make it be as effective as it is currently.

Treat it like my state treats a CCW license. Sand in an application, get your FBI background check, submit your fingerprints and passport photos, notify your Cleo, pay a fee. 90 days later get a NFA license card.

See an NFA item you want at the local store? Drop down your license card. The clerk can call a 1 800 number to see if it's still valid. Assuming it is, process it like you would any other 4473. Walk out the door with your NFA item right then.

Keep your card on your person when you take your items out to the range. No more trying to make sure you have all of your Form 1 and form 4 copies on you.

Renew it every 10 years with a new photo and do background check. Obviously if you get into bad behavior with the court system it gets revoked.

That is just as effective as the current process is in terms of making sure that bad guys don't pick up these kind of items from a store. However, if you truly believe that's what the NFA is for. If, on the other hand, you believe the NFA exists just to make things a PITA, so as to discourage the civilian purchase of these items, then my new plan wouldn't work at all.

[ccmdfd]

I’d LOVE to see this introduced as a bill in Congress next spring. Because anyone arguing against it would have to admit that the goal of the current system is to make exercise of rights (or maybe privileges in the case of NFA items) difficult and inconvenient.

At the risk of derailing This Thread and turning it more into a political sub Forum thread:

I'd love for someone in Congress, or high up in politics at least, to throw something like this out next time there is a call for more restrictions, such as trying to tighten restrictions on AR-15 after a school shooting. It's more of a true compromise. Both sides get something that they want but not as much as they would truly want. Instead, what we typically get is less amount of take as a "win" for us.

[StraitR]

Yes, there's so many ways you could improve this process and still make it be as effective as it is currently.

Treat it like my state treats a CCW license. Sand in an application, get your FBI background check, submit your fingerprints and passport photos, notify your Cleo, pay a fee. 90 days later get a NFA license card.

See an NFA item you want at the local store? Drop down your license card. The clerk can call a 1 800 number to see if it's still valid. Assuming it is, process it like you would any other 4473. Walk out the door with your NFA item right then.

Keep your card on your person when you take your items out to the range. No more trying to make sure you have all of your Form 1 and form 4 copies on you.

Renew it every 10 years with a new photo and do background check. Obviously if you get into bad behavior with the court system it gets revoked.

That is just as effective as the current process is in terms of making sure that bad guys don't pick up these kind of items from a store. However, if you truly believe that's what the NFA is for. If, on the other hand, you believe the NFA exists just to make things a PITA, so as to discourage the civilian purchase of these items, then my new plan wouldn't work at all.

I'd happily renew every year for such a program. That said, I don't think we'll ever see anything like this. Anyone remotely familiar with the NFA legislation and processes knows it was originally written as a deterrent to ownership. Even the eForms website and subsequent process functions more like a deterrent than a genuine attempt at efficiency. I'd love to be proved wrong, but I don't ever see them making it easier.

[ccmdfd]

I'd happily renew every year for such a program. That said, I don't think we'll ever see anything like this. Anyone remotely familiar with the NFA legislation and processes knows it was originally written as a deterrent to ownership. Even the eForms website and subsequent process functions more like a deterrent than a genuine attempt at efficiency. I'd love to be proved wrong, but I don't ever see them making it easier.

Oh I agree this only has a snowball's chance in hell of ever happening. Just would love to see it put out there at some point to see if it couldn't help reframe the debate.

[Street Survival]

Mine took 14 months through the Silencer Shop.

[Casual Friday]

I just hit 90 days on an eForm 4 for a silencer. I'm not getting impatient, I figure anything shorter than paper forms is a plus in my book.

One of the 20 something day approvals that you see floating around the internet is a buddy of mine. First silencer, did the Single Shot Trust through SS. So as of yet, there doesn't seem to be any consistency in approval times. Like my kindergarten teacher said, "You get what you get and you don't throw a fit".

[ccmdfd]

I just hit 90 days on an eForm 4 for a silencer. I'm not getting impatient, I figure anything shorter than paper forms is a plus in my book.

One of the 20 something day approvals that you see floating around the internet is a buddy of mine. First silencer, did the Single Shot Trust through SS. So as of yet, there doesn't seem to be any consistency in approval times. Like my kindergarten teacher said, "You get what you get and you don't throw a fit".

Yes, it's truly like playing the lottery.

Just had eform 1 get approved in 10 days, and there was a 3 day weekend in that. Most recent form 4 was 75 days. Next one will probably be 150+.

[5pins]

A co-worker ask the expert the other day, why he had an e-form for a suppressor over 90 days and a paper for over 360 days. He was told they moved personal from e-form to paper to help with the backlog.

[jh9]

Yes, it's truly like playing the lottery.

Just had eform 1 get approved in 10 days, and there was a 3 day weekend in that. Most recent form 4 was 75 days. Next one will probably be 150+.

Just got an eform 1 back today. Filed on the 3rd. 9 days total. Record for me.

[HeavyDuty]

I don’t plan on doing additional eForm 1s until I’m at my final address - I’d rather only amend the trust once. Hopefully things will be tuned up by then, I have two more I’d like to do (an AR, and the MPX-K.)

[CleverNickname]

I'm still waiting on an eForm 4 from late January and an eForm 1 from March. Count me unimpressed with the eForm system so far.

[delphidoc]

I'm still waiting on an eForm 4 from late January and an eForm 1 from March. Count me unimpressed with the eForm system so far.

I'm on days 63 and 61 for two Form 1s (SBS and SBR).

I wonder what's different for your and my Form 1s and the ones getting approved after 9 and 10 days.
State of residence? (Texas for me)
Declared purpose for the tax stamp? (I put All Legal Purposes)
Previous tax stamps? (These are my first two)
Voting record? (I voted for Trump twice)
Recent move? (I moved from OK to TX a year before doing these Form 1s)

I don't do social media and have never posted inflammatory things on any gun forums. I have no relatives with criminal histories.
I've bought 15+ firearms over the years and never had a hiccup with any Form 4473.

[ccmdfd]

I'm on days 63 and 61 for two Form 1s (SBS and SBR).

I wonder what's different for your and my Form 1s and the ones getting approved after 9 and 10 days.
State of residence? (Texas for me)
Declared purpose for the tax stamp? (I put All Legal Purposes)
Previous tax stamps? (These are my first two)
Voting record? (I voted for Trump twice)
Recent move? (I moved from OK to TX a year before doing these Form 1s)

I don't do social media and have never posted inflammatory things on any gun forums. I have no relatives with criminal histories.
I've bought 15+ firearms over the years and never had a hiccup with any Form 4473.

Makes no sense at all.

It did occur to me today that this year I've done 2 form 4s from Silencer Shop, and they took 91 and 94 days. Just hitting 91 on a 3rd one. In the same time frame I've done 2 form 4s through Capitol Armory, and they took 85 and 75 days.

Probably coincidence.

[Magsz]

Slightly off topic but probably on topic enough.

I am having a can sent to my dealer that is NOT a silencershop dealer.

How in the holy hell do I get electronic finger prints done so I can complete an E form 4 application?

[delphidoc]

Search for "fingerprinting near me." I used IdenToGo. When I got printed for my TSA PreCheck app I paid them to print out four more sheets for my Form 1 apps. I mailed them in using Priorty Mail with tracking. They take passport photos too, but you don't need them if you eFile on the ATF site.

I'm in Texas but if you click on "Locations" on their site they show a US map. I'm assuming that means they're nation-wide.

https://www.identogo.com/





Slightly off topic but probably on topic enough.

I am having a can sent to my dealer that is NOT a silencershop dealer.

How in the holy hell do I get electronic finger prints done so I can complete an E form 4 application?

[Magsz]

Search for "fingerprinting near me." I used IdenToGo. When I got printed for my TSA PreCheck app I paid them to print out four more sheets for my Form 1 apps. I mailed them in using Priorty Mail with tracking. They take passport photos too, but you don't need them if you eFile on the ATF site.

I'm in Texas but if you click on "Locations" on their site they show a US map. I'm assuming that means they're nation-wide.

https://www.identogo.com/

I need the EFT file. I don't need physical card prints.

Unless i'm misunderstanding what you're saying?

[delphidoc]

i may be wrong but I thought you have to physically send in cards within ten days of efiling the app.

No more physical photo though. You upload your pic while efiling. You can use your phone to take the pic. I actually took a pic of the pic that Identogo took for me.


I need the EFT file. I don't need physical card prints.

Unless i'm misunderstanding what you're saying?

[ccmdfd]

Slightly off topic but probably on topic enough.

I am having a can sent to my dealer that is NOT a silencershop dealer.

How in the holy hell do I get electronic finger prints done so I can complete an E form 4 application?

I believe you still have the option of using regular fingerprint cards. The electronic version is certainly more preferable and easier to deal with, but they will still accept physical cards.

With that being said I do not consider myself an expert and therefore it is probably best to check with the dealer or contact the ATF directly and ask.

[Magsz]

i may be wrong but I thought you have to physically send in cards within ten days of efiling the app.

No more physical photo though. You upload your pic while efiling. You can use your phone to take the pic. I actually took a pic of the pic that Identogo took for me.

That is currently how an E form 1 works my good man.

The E Form 4 is different.

I am 99% sure that you can still send in physical print cards, however, I'm not sure if they give you a cover sheet like they do for the form 1. I also don't want to chance sending in physical print cards and having my application delayed.

[ccmdfd]

That is currently how an E form 1 works my good man.

The E Form 4 is different.

I am 99% sure that you can still send in physical print cards, however, I'm not sure if they give you a cover sheet like they do for the form 1. I also don't want to chance sending in physical print cards and having my application delayed.

Keep us posted. I'm curious to see what the solution is.

Both of the class 3 dealers local to me are silencer shop affiliates, and they use their system even for items that they have in stock locally. Surely there exists a solution for the smaller, non-affiliated dealers all around the country.

[Magsz]

Keep us posted. I'm curious to see what the solution is.

Both of the class 3 dealers local to me are silencer shop affiliates, and they use their system even for items that they have in stock locally. Surely there exists a solution for the smaller, non-affiliated dealers all around the country.

Ok.

As it stands right now, this is what i've got.

Standard finger print cards are still accepted. They are sent to the ATF via the same manner as a Form 1. There will be a cover sheet generated and you may mail two finger print cards to the address listed on the cover sheet.

Apparently, the company "PrintScan" can produce the required file which will be emailed to you and can be used in perpetuity, at least for now. I don't know if the ATF will ever stipulate a rule regarding how often "fresh" prints need to be reproduced. From what i've been told, these prints cost 45 dollars. Not bad if you can essentially use that file forever.

Lastly, I emailed the ATF with my questions. We will see what they say.

I called the "ask the expert line" and the guy who answered was super apologetic and told me that they have ZERO training to answer those questions and they're an IT branch set up to help people log into their accounts. He was super nice about it but not exactly helpful.

[delphidoc]

I finally got an email this morning from ATF. My Form 1 for converting a Mossberg Shockwave to an SBS was approved. 72 days.

This afternoon I got a second email. My Form 1 for converting an AR pistol in 300BK to an SBR was approved. 70days.

Different ATF officials on the two approvals.

Going to the engraver tomorrow.

[Not HighSpeed]

I got my approval yesterday for a suppressor submitted in February. 162 days.

Hopefully pick it up next week.

[delphidoc]

Was that a Form4 or a Form1?



I got my approval yesterday for a suppressor submitted in February. 162 days.

Hopefully pick it up next week.

[Not HighSpeed]

Was that a Form4 or a Form1?

E-filed Form 4 for a suppressor. Sorry for being vague.

[medmo]

Form 4 submitted 2/11/22, approved 8/12/22.

[WobblyPossum]

So I’m trying to eFile a Form 1. When I input my personal info and get to my address, I see that you can’t manually input a city, county, or state. That automatically populates when you input your zip code. The problem I’m having is that my home is physically located in one county but the mailing address and zip code put it in the adjacent county, so the wrong county populates in the county field. I can’t manually change it. I used the “Ask The Experts” button and haven’t heard back. Yesterday I sent an email to the eForms.admin@atf.gov address too. I tried calling the support line and the only things people could suggest were to use the two forms of contact I already used. Has anyone else experienced this?

[marcin]

Two e-filed Form 4s, submitted Feb 8, 2022 and finally approved Aug 10, 2022.

[LHS]

Two e-filed Form 4s, submitted Feb 8, 2022 and finally approved Aug 10, 2022.

I stopped by my local SOT yesterday for something unrelated and they mentioned they're getting approvals for stuff submitted in February. Sounds like I've got another couple of months' worth of waiting to do, given I filed mine in April.

[Bergeron]

I was late March, and I hope that the form will be approved before Halloween.

[Magsz]

Other tracking threads are showing approvals from February.

There is an odd smattering of approvals from random dates but for the most part, it seems like everything coming back right now is from February.

[davisj]

eForm 1 submitted 7/6/22, approved 8/19/22.

[HeavyDuty]

eForm 1 submitted 7/6/22, approved 8/19/22.

Nice!

[SeriousStudent]

eForm 1 submitted 7/6/22, approved 8/19/22.

If I may ask, was that with a trust or as an individual?

Thanks, and congrats on the new stamp. :)

[davisj]

If I may ask, was that with a trust or as an individual?

Thanks, and congrats on the new stamp. :)

Individual. If only my Form 4 was this fast…

[WobblyPossum]

Well, after a couple of weeks without a response from ATF to any of my questions, I called the help desk again and the person said it shouldn’t matter if the county for my physical address is different from the county for my mailing address. I decided to submit a Form 1 to see what happens. This will be for a trust with two responsible persons. We fingerprinted ourselves on blue cards ordered from the ATF website.

Form 1 eFiled on 8/18
Fingerprints mailed 8/20

I’ll probably submit another one in a week or so to get my other pistol done.

Question about my second one which is an AR pistol built on a stripped Wilson Combat lower receiver. The lower doesn’t have a model number at all. eForms has a bunch of models available on the drop down menu once you select Wilson Combat as the manufacturer and one of the options is the generic “AR15.” That option allows me to select 5.56 as the caliber. Would that work? There’s another option under model that is the part number/SKU of the stripped lower I ordered. When you select that one, the only option for caliber is .458. There also appears to be an option that’s definitely some previous applicant’s serial number. I just though that one was funny.

[KeeFus]

FWIW, when I picked up my can yesterday my FFL guy stated efile submissions were running at about 100 days. 🤷🏼*♂️

I will be buying an SBR over the winter and using efile. I’m hoping it’s the 100 days vs 1 year and two day wait for my can.

[WobblyPossum]

Well, after a couple of weeks without a response from ATF to any of my questions, I called the help desk again and the person said it shouldn’t matter if the county for my physical address is different from the county for my mailing address. I decided to submit a Form 1 to see what happens. This will be for a trust with two responsible persons. We fingerprinted ourselves on blue cards ordered from the ATF website.

Form 1 eFiled on 8/18
Fingerprints mailed 8/20

I’ll probably submit another one in a week or so to get my other pistol done.

Question about my second one which is an AR pistol built on a stripped Wilson Combat lower receiver. The lower doesn’t have a model number at all. eForms has a bunch of models available on the drop down menu once you select Wilson Combat as the manufacturer and one of the options is the generic “AR15.” That option allows me to select 5.56 as the caliber. Would that work? There’s another option under model that is the part number/SKU of the stripped lower I ordered. When you select that one, the only option for caliber is .458. There also appears to be an option that’s definitely some previous applicant’s serial number. I just though that one was funny.

The first eForm 1 was approved today 10/7/22, so about a month and a half from the date the ATF received our fingerprints (8/25/22). They accepted the fingerprints we did ourselves. I was hoping to have one of those forms approved in a week or two, but a month and a half definitely isn't anything to complain about considering the last NFA item I dealt with was a suppressor on a paper Form 4 that took about seven months.

Shortly after I originally posted this, the thread about the leaked ATF documents came out and I decided not to submit the Form 1 on the AR pistol yet. I'm going to wait and see if the ATF starts handing out free tax stamps come December as part of some pistol brace amnesty. Worst case scenario, they don't hand out free stamps and I just pay the tax that I was originally planning to pay anyway and I might have to wait longer for the approval because everyone else with a braced pistol will also be submitting an eForm 1.

[HeavyDuty]

The first eForm 1 was approved today 10/7/22, so about a month and a half from the date the ATF received our fingerprints (8/25/22). They accepted the fingerprints we did ourselves. I was hoping to have one of those forms approved in a week or two, but a month and a half definitely isn't anything to complain about considering the last NFA item I dealt with was a suppressor on a paper Form 4 that took about seven months.

Shortly after I originally posted this, the thread about the leaked ATF documents came out and I decided not to submit the Form 1 on the AR pistol yet. I'm going to wait and see if the ATF starts handing out free tax stamps come December as part of some pistol brace amnesty. Worst case scenario, they don't hand out free stamps and I just pay the tax that I was originally planning to pay anyway and I might have to wait longer for the approval because everyone else with a braced pistol will also be submitting an eForm 1.

Thread?

[WobblyPossum]

Thread?

It's the Pistol Brace Amnesty (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?54099-Pistol-Brace-Amnesty) thread that's a couple below this one in the NFA subforum. You've posted in it.

[HeavyDuty]

It's the Pistol Brace Amnesty (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?54099-Pistol-Brace-Amnesty) thread that's a couple below this one in the NFA subforum. You've posted in it.

Ah, I thought you meant a new thread with additional info.

[Jimichanga]

Couple of Form 4 stamps just came back for paper trust... after 15 months. Ouch.

[Ed4032]

Seven months and counting. E-filed with the govt and their goal of ninety days seems like another attempt for government infringement. Wolverines!!!

[Nephrology]

Seven months and counting. E-filed with the govt and their goal of ninety days seems like another attempt for government infringement. Wolverines!!!

Yep I a CGS Mod9 SK pending 3/10 that I am still waiting on . From tracking the reddit NFA thread it looks like its coming up. They are posting control #s (https://pistol-forum.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=s) which appear to numerically additive. Last I checked i am around 10,000 behind the most recent one I saw...

Lord have mercy on my late July submission

[ccmdfd]

I had one submitted 4/10 that was approved in 75 days. Another submitted 4/13, 180+ days and still counting.

It's like the wheels suddenly fell off.

[Nephrology]

I had one submitted 4/10 that was approved in 75 days. Another submitted 4/13, 180+ days and counting.

It's like the wheels suddenly fell off.

I think a few eForms end up jumping the line to juice average time to approval stats.... but looking at the reddit eForm 4 thread, a majority of recent approvals were submitted roughly first week of march. So that's where the front of the line is sitting right now...

[Magsz]

I think a few eForms end up jumping the line to juice average time to approval stats.... but looking at the reddit eForm 4 thread, a majority of recent approvals were submitted roughly first week of march. So that's where the front of the line is sitting right now...

That information coincides with another major rifle forum's information.

It appears as though stamps are coming back from 3/6-3/10ish.

Unfortunately, approval times seem to be continually creeping up. I wonder where or when that trend will stop and potentially reverse. I don't see that happening anytime soon. The ATF's hopeful projection that they would be at a 90 day approval period by the end of 2023 seems to be fanciful thinking.

I have a late July submission i'm waiting on and i'm crossing my fingers I'm at least still in a time frame where a seven month approval appears to be a thing.

[ccmdfd]

Yep I a CGS Mod9 SK pending 3/10 that I am still waiting on . From tracking the reddit NFA thread it looks like its coming up. They are posting control #s (https://pistol-forum.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=s) which appear to numerically additive. Last I checked i am around 10,000 behind the most recent one I saw...

Lord have mercy on my late July submission

I don't follow Reddit. I have seen some posts on other forums however that state the ATF may start processing things in batches. Since you have a submission from March, it's possible that they would approve your July submission at the same time.

Have you heard anything similar?

[Magsz]

I don't follow Reddit. I have seen some posts on other forums however that state the ATF may start processing things in batches. Since you have a submission from March, it's possible that they would approve your July submission at the same time.

Have you heard anything similar?

Batch approvals are already a thing. There is no pattern or explanation as to how the ATF batches things.

I've only ever had two cans batched and they were submitted together. I've had five cans pending approval at one point in time but none of those were batched.

I'm sure if the ATF starts batch approving cans people will bitch and moan and ruin it as its not "fair". Humans ruin everything.

[Nephrology]

I don't follow Reddit. I have seen some posts on other forums however that state the ATF may start processing things in batches. Since you have a submission from March, it's possible that they would approve your July submission at the same time.

Have you heard anything similar?

Reddit is not a good source for high quality info but because of the broad userbase I find their NFA data pretty helpful.

I have had a bunch of cans go through the new eForm 4, several same day submissions, never batched. Not especially hopeful. Have not seen any evidence of this anywhere online either

[MK11]

I had to update a headshot for Silencer Shop yesterday (my paper Form 4 is now in month 13) and they said eforms are averaging seven months.

[davisj]

Individual eForm1 submitted 9/5/22, approved 10/19/22.

[Bergeron]

Individual eForm 4 filed 3/21, approved 11/28.

I got DoD clearances more quickly than I got my silencer. C’est la vie.

[GyroF-16]

Individual eForm 4 filed 3/21, approved 11/28.

I got DoD clearances more quickly than I got my silencer. C’est la vie.

Good comparison.
I had several pretty high-level clearances, and none took even half as long as either of my suppressor Forms 4.
Pretty sad, since I paid out of my pocket for the suppressor tax, and the taxpayers collectively paid for my security background checks.

[BWT]

My Eform 4 Trust should be going in (if it’s not already). Sigh. I’m expecting 9 months.

https://www.silencershop.com/atf-wait-times

This wait time seems to jive with what I’m seeing elsewhere.

NFATracker is a good resource as well.

https://www.nfatracker.com

I’ll make sure everything is good with the FFL in question and then just try not to think about it. Buy an ultrasonic cleaner and RDS/mount for the 22/45 I bought and am waiting for as a host.

[ccmdfd]

Man, a little over 1 month ago we were talking about 7 month wait times. Now it's up to 9?!

Wheels seem to have fallen off the system.

[BWT]

Man, a little over 1 month ago we were talking about 7 month wait times. Now it's up to 9?!

Wheels seem to have fallen off the system.

It is the Federal government unfortunately - we can’t do much.

https://youtu.be/Z8qqd5bie1o

Hopefully the TX AG can help us out on our silencer wait times.

ETA: This will be my fastest NFA wait time if it goes at 9 months though. I just sit and think I’d like my Dad to shoot it and how his health is - I don’t know that that will happen (he lives a state away and his health is not great). It easily triggers me into how frustrating the NFA process is.

[ccmdfd]

It is the Federal government unfortunately - we can’t do much.

https://youtu.be/Z8qqd5bie1o

Hopefully the TX AG can help us out on our silencer wait times.

ETA: This will be my fastest NFA wait time if it goes at 9 months though. I just sit and think I’d like my Dad to shoot it and how his health is - I don’t know that that will happen (he lives a state away and his health is not great). It easily triggers me into how frustrating the NFA process is.


I follow Capital Armory's website. They track things a little bit differently by listing the date ranges for the approvals coming in. It seemed like they were stuck on February / March for at least 2 months, maybe even three or four. I didn't keep notes. Now they've been stuck on March / April for quite some time. If it's taking them three or more months to clear out one month of applications, and they're still receiving applications during those three to four months then obviously things are going in the wrong direction

[LHS]

Well, the eforms I submitted back in April finally came back... denied because "full trust was not attached" (bullshit, it was). No request for clarification, no option to upload again, just denied. On Christmas Eve no less. Who says ATF doesn't have a sense of humor? I hope they all get lumps of coal in their stockings.

[ccmdfd]

Well, the eforms I submitted back in April finally came back... denied because "full trust was not attached" (bullshit, it was). No request for clarification, no option to upload again, just denied. On Christmas Eve no less. Who says ATF doesn't have a sense of humor? I hope they all get lumps of coal in their stockings.


Man, that really sucks! So sorry to hear that especially this time of year.

I am patiently awaiting for one in April also. So much for having the suppressor for deer season this year.

Don't know about form four, but I didn't think they would let you hit the submit button for your form one online without the trust documents being attached.

[The Rat]

Well, the eforms I submitted back in April finally came back... denied because "full trust was not attached" (bullshit, it was). No request for clarification, no option to upload again, just denied. On Christmas Eve no less. Who says ATF doesn't have a sense of humor? I hope they all get lumps of coal in their stockings.

I've had that kind of error happen before, saying that my RPQ forms weren't attached on an eform 1. (They were.) I legit think there's something busted with the website, to where if you're bouncing around between sections, things don't get saved properly by their server.

[LHS]

I've had that kind of error happen before, saying that my RPQ forms weren't attached on an eform 1. (They were.) I legit think there's something busted with the website, to where if you're bouncing around between sections, things don't get saved properly by their server.

How'd it end up for you?

[The Rat]

How'd it end up for you?

I resubmitted and it worked that time.

When I looked at the disapproved eform 1 for the first attempt, the RPQ forms were showing as files were showing as 0kb file size. My thought at the time was that it was due to the website being buggy.

When I did my second attempt, I didn't go to previous pages during the submission process. Just entered and double checked everything on each page, to include uploaded files, then hit save on each page before going to the next.

This was a few years ago on an eform 1, but it wouldn't surprise me if some of the same bugs were present in the eform 4 system. No personal experience with eform 4s as of yet.

[LHS]

I resubmitted and it worked that time.

When I looked at the disapproved eform 1 for the first attempt, the RPQ forms were showing as files were showing as 0kb file size. My thought at the time was that it was due to the website being buggy.

When I did my second attempt, I didn't go to previous pages during the submission process. Just entered and double checked everything on each page, to include uploaded files, then hit save on each page before going to the next.

This was a few years ago on an eform 1, but it wouldn't surprise me if some of the same bugs were present in the eform 4 system. No personal experience with eform 4s as of yet.

So I'm back to waiting another 9 months. Joy.

[The Rat]

So I'm back to waiting another 9 months. Joy.

That's what it seems like. Shitty situation, my condolences.

As an observer, I feel like if I do another form 4 for myself (trust, four members), I'll just do a paper form. My thought is that if it's gonna take 9+ months anyways, may as well do paper since I can at least do mail corrections with that, rather than deal with this kind of flat denial. At least with the eform 1, the denial is generally within a month or less.

[BWT]

That's what it seems like. Shitty situation, my condolences.

As an observer, I feel like if I do another form 4 for myself (trust, four members), I'll just do a paper form. My thought is that if it's gonna take 9+ months anyways, may as well do paper since I can at least do mail corrections with that, rather than deal with this kind of flat denial. At least with the eform 1, the denial is generally within a month or less.

This thought crossed my mind as I’m about a month in with an EForm 4 with Trust.

I mean… having no recourse to rectify the transfer that’s insane.

It makes me re-live the entire “These shouldn’t be restricted” discourse.