Shield rmsx - competition oriented sight from shield

[backtrail540]

https://www.shieldpsd.com/portfolio-posts/rmsx

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[JCN]

Wow thanks! That’s very attractive to me for a number of reasons.

I bought two. One for my practice carry gun and depending on how I like it and the form factor, maybe on my primary carry gun.

I know it’ll be fragile but I’m okay with that.

[GJM]

Wow thanks! That’s very attractive to me for a number of reasons.

I bought two. One for my practice carry gun and depending on how I like it and the form factor, maybe on my primary carry gun.

I know it’ll be fragile but I’m okay with that.

What are you putting it on and did you get an eight?

[JCN]

What are you putting it on and did you get an eight?

I think the 8 is probably the way to go. My current carry gun has an 8 and I like the smoothness of the dot.

I bought two of the 4’s of the RMSc on closeout and the dot refresh rate is kind of slow so the dot jumps a lot and the dot is kind of small. My thought for those are that they could go on random target guns.

I ordered 4s for the RMSX.

With the RMSX I’m not sure what it’ll go on (will depend on if the electronics are upgraded and if the refresh is better).

There have been some times (like 25 yard heads) where I feel like the 8 is just a whiff too large.

Right now I have thoughts of putting it on my tacticool version of my carry gun.

P365X with PMM comp and ISMI recoil spring trimmed down.

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But if it’s too wide then it might go on the MR920 slide. I don’t like suppressor height sights on regular guns because of drag on the draw and possible snag factor (just a personal preference). I also like low height over bore.

If it’s super awesome… then it might go on my Open gun to lower height over bore and reduce double dot.

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[backtrail540]

Some more angles that illustrate size nicely

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[JCN]

Some more angles that illustrate size nicely

From that size, looks like I might put it on my Maxim 9 and N frame revolver. If I really like the dot I might put it on my competition guns.

[GJM]

Does the X have a RMS or RMSc footprint, or are those the same?

[backtrail540]

Does the X have a RMS or RMSc footprint, or are those the same?

The same to my knowledge with the difference being the c is more narrow. I certainly could be misremembering though.

[JCN]

Does the X have a RMS or RMSc footprint, or are those the same?


The same to my knowledge with the difference being the c is more narrow. I certainly could be misremembering though.

GJM this is the best site that I found for descriptions and schematics. I’ve found the information to be accurate.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/optics-info.com/footprints-on-red-dot-sights/amp/

RMS is the width of a G19 slide. RMSc is the width of a P365.

Mounting holes are the same.

RMSX certainly looks like RMS

[backtrail540]

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[JCN]

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GJM there’s optical bloom but the Instagram post still said they were 4MOA dots. I’m really really hoping the refresh is better than their last Gen. I’m chomping at the bit to get them.

[GJM]

GJM there’s optical bloom but the Instagram post still said they were 4MOA dots. I’m really really hoping the refresh is better than their last Gen. I’m chomping at the bit to get them.

Can you elaborate on the refresh rate issue?

[JCN]

Can you elaborate on the refresh rate issue?

There’s a picture in this thread that kind of shows what it looks like.

https://forums.brianenos.com/topic/238697-vortex-viper-red-dot-low-refresh-rate/

Basically it looks like the old stop motion flip books. Instead of a streak of red with movement, I see dots and gaps like Morse code. It’s harder to track than a smooth line.

I’ll see if I can video what it looks like in motion.

[JCN]

I got an email from Shield saying pandemic disruptions pushed ETA to mid Jan which isn’t unexpected.

I am asking if they can change my order to the 8MOA dots since I’m afraid that the 4MOA will be unusable like the 4 MOA RMSc.

To my eye, every manufacturer’s MOA rating is different and not comparable. Also optic window distance from the eye seems to matter a lot too.

Even though my SRO is a 5 MOA it’s a ton more usable than a Shield 4MOA that visually looks like the 2 MOA of a 507c.

[JCN]

Okay, they changed to 8MOA dots so I’m happy about that.

I also ordered RMR to RMS adapter plates so I can use them on my Open guns.

[JCN]

Picked up a few of these to use as the easy button on some of my RMR/SRO equipment.

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When the RMSX gets here, I can try them out on my open guns and see if it gets rid of the SRO double dot.

[JCN]

Got notice that the sights shipped so might get a chance to try them on my PCCs.

[Caballoflaco]

Got notice that the sights shipped so might get a chance to try them on my PCCs.

That wide lense might be a nice fit in an offset 45* mount if you decide to run 2 dots like some people do.

[GJM]

My friend used one on his Open gun yesterday. Loved it and said his SRO optics may become displaced. Justine W said it reminded her of a Romeo 3 XL.

[JCN]

My friend used one on his Open gun yesterday. Loved it and said his SRO optics may become displaced. Justine W said it reminded her of a Romeo 3 XL.

I think mine are set to arrive tomorrow.

I was concerned about how bad the 4 MOA refresh was on the smaller units so I had them change my pre-order to 8MOA.

I’m kind of taking a break from pistols so they’ll probably just sit in the box lol.

[GJM]

Just got an updated report on the X, distortion in the lens.

[JCN]

Just got an updated report on the X, distortion in the lens.

Okay. Got these today and some impressions:

Yes some fish eye distortion with movement.
More than a DPP, similar to an SRO.
More pronounced vertically not much laterally.

Compared to a DPP
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Compared to an SRO
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It’s very light. And it’s wide. I think it would be a good open gun optic since vertical tracking would be muted with a comp.

Refresh rate still is low. Seems lower than my older RMSc?

Glad I got 8MOA, I think the 4 would be difficult with the low refresh rate.

[JCN]

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GJM

[JCN]

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[JCN]

Doesn’t like fast slides. This one failed in under 20 rounds.

This is the second unit.

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[JCN]

HeavyDuty

Regarding Shield, I sent both units back with prepaid shipping labels to their New York office.

The quality manager did email me directly explaining the issue and hopefully it’s been rectified.

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That being said, I’d pick Holosun over Shield now.

[Archer1440]

Ironic name for that QA fellow. (Perhaps “Notso” should have been his given name?)

[HeavyDuty]

I’ll give them credit for responding quickly and positively. Crap happens.

[psalms144.1]

I’ll give them credit for responding quickly and positively. Crap happens.No shit. Had those been Glocks, you'd have been told you're using crap ammo, or don't know how to shoot. Sig would have said the removable glass was working per industry standards, but a non-removable glass "voluntary upgrade" was available.

[HeavyDuty]

No shit. Had those been Glocks, you'd have been told you're using crap ammo, or don't know how to shoot. Sig would have said the removable glass was working per industry standards, but a non-removable glass "voluntary upgrade" was available.

And HK would have told you to F right off.

[Archer1440]

And HK would have told you to F right off.

Haha. Clearly, you haven’t spoken to HK CS in the past few years. They’re really excellent to deal with.

And, odds are, HK wouldn’t have had an issue of this sort in the first place.

[HeavyDuty]

Haha. Clearly, you haven’t spoken to HK CS in the past few years. They’re really excellent to deal with.

And, odds are, HK wouldn’t have had an issue of this sort in the first place.

That’s true, my HK CS scars date back from the mid 90s trying to support my P7PSP.

[GJM]

Of all the red dot companies, Trijicon probably has the slowest and stingiest CS.

[Archer1440]

That’s true, my HK CS scars date back from the mid 90s trying to support my P7PSP.

It was, by all reports, a well-deserved reputation in that era. The fact that they have greatly improved, but still have the reputation, shows the importance of paying attention to the subject, for companies of any size.

[JCN]

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[HeavyDuty]

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I’m glad to see that they are stepping up to resolve it.

[JCN]

I’m glad to see that they are stepping up to resolve it.

Replacements arrived.

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[JCN]

My maple leaf P365 cuts use #6-32 threading and I was using flat head bolts which work great for Holosun… but not great for the Shield.

Ground down some cap screws to proper length.

That should help the mounting.

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[JCN]

Found a use for it.

Fits perfectly on a P322 width slide.

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[Jamesrhadley1]

Only just found this thread and I am finding it super interesting.
To be honest this is the only legit review of the rmsx I have seen all the youtube reviews seem paid for.... Not one negative comment nothing is that good.

I am looking to set up a new production optics gun for IPSC (I'm in australia) I really liked the specs of the rmsx, big widow, 8moa and very light. But I haven't seen one in the flesh.

Your comments on flicker though have me worried. So couple of questions

1. Is it suitable for competition?
2. IF Not what would you run?
3. Last one is the real favour, in another post you compared window area for a heap of red dots that I really liked and chance you could do the rmsx?

Thanks a heap

[JCN]

Only just found this thread and I am finding it super interesting.
To be honest this is the only legit review of the rmsx I have seen all the youtube reviews seem paid for.... Not one negative comment nothing is that good.

I am looking to set up a new production optics gun for IPSC (I'm in australia) I really liked the specs of the rmsx, big widow, 8moa and very light. But I haven't seen one in the flesh.

Your comments on flicker though have me worried. So couple of questions

1. Is it suitable for competition?
2. IF Not what would you run?
3. Last one is the real favour, in another post you compared window area for a heap of red dots that I really liked and chance you could do the rmsx?

Thanks a heap

Hey sorry, just saw this. If you don’t quote or @ tag me I don’t know you’re asking.

It’s reasonable for outdoor competition, not great for indoor.
Not my favorite though.

Seems like SRO is really the only option for pistol competition on reciprocating slides but you need a sun shade option for low sun angles.

[Jamesrhadley1]

Hey sorry, just saw this. If you don’t quote or @ tag me I don’t know you’re asking.

It’s reasonable for outdoor competition, not great for indoor.
Not my favorite though.

Seems like SRO is really the only option for pistol competition on reciprocating slides but you need a sun shade option for low sun angles.

Ok will quote from now on!

Interested to know the down sides of the rmsx in low light is it the flickering you previously mentioned?

Sro seems to be the obvious choice lots of users at my club. Any reason you wouldnt consider a romeo 3 max/xl ? Havent seen one in aus think they are hard to get but might be able to import from europe.

Thanks again.

[JCN]

3. Last one is the real favour, in another post you compared window area for a heap of red dots that I really liked and chance you could do the rmsx?

Thanks a heap

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Hope this helps!

I like a tall window to be able to track dot under recoil.

Wider over taller might work better for PCC and frame mounted optics.

[Jamesrhadley1]

Wow thanks for the comparison!

The shield actually doesn't look a lot shorter and the glass definitely looks very clear. Is your main issue with it the low light performance and is that for the flickering that you mentioned earlier?

Was really hoping the rsmx was going to be a goer they are about half the price of a SRO in Australia.

PS I tried quoting you as suggested but if I do that the system seems to delete my posts?

[JCN]

Wow thanks for the comparison!

The shield actually doesn't look a lot shorter and the glass definitely looks very clear. Is your main issue with it the low light performance and is that for the flickering that you mentioned earlier?

Was really hoping the rsmx was going to be a goer they are about half the price of a SRO in Australia.

PS I tried quoting you as suggested but if I do that the system seems to delete my posts?

The other thing you can do is

JCN and it’ll tag me.

So my issue with the sight for competition may not apply to you.

I’m a fairly good shooter and one thing I really like is a very consistent dot intensity and appearance at full speed.

With a light adjusting optic, it can change brightness DURING a run and that’s distracting and requires extra processing bandwidth.

With lower intensity, the flickering interrupts my ability to track a dot smoothly.

With an SRO it’s more fluid.

But if you’re not at those speeds it may not matter.


https://youtu.be/r5CSFWQ8fUg


https://youtu.be/zWWNhUf9ILc

[Jamesrhadley1]

JCN

OK fair enough. The changing of intensity being a problem makes sense and I can see that would be a bit disconcerting.
I'm definitely not that fast at the moment but I would like to be !

Thanks for follow up.

[Jamesrhadley1]

Hi guys though I would just post a quick update.

I bought one of these to compete with
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I did these pics because I have never seen one review for any red dot that actually measures window size and weight? ( before you ask I didn't scratch anything!)

Haven't set it up on a gun yet but my first impressions are that the glass is very clear and the 8 moa dot looks good.

Issue as JCN mentioned is that it appears that the brightness is controlled via pulse width modulation. Meaning the brighter it is the more the LED is on. The dimmer the less it is on.

You can see this quite clearly if you are outside in the sun and wiggle the glass up and down the dot makes a solid line. If you do the same thing inside it is a line with gaps. If you do it in a very dark room it is just dots.

Not sure if this is going to be an issue for me or not. I also haven't got any other dots to compare against.

Thanks

James.