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Dsal86
09-30-2021, 07:03 AM
I am looking to get into some local USPSA matches, I have equipment to shoot in production or limited 10 divison (non free state) what would you guys suggest I shoot in to get my bearing on how things work and learn the basics, I would be shooting minor in the limited 10 division.i have been practicing dry fire with strikeman training system in both setups.

Clusterfrack
09-30-2021, 10:04 AM
Welcome to Pistol-Forum! I think you should shoot some matches with the gear you have. Lim10 minor isn't going to be competitive, but you will probably be the only one shooting Lim10 anyway. Get some on-the-ground advice before buying more gear.

Dsal86
09-30-2021, 07:13 PM
Because I live in a mag capacity state isn't L10 the only limited divison available? I am not to concerned about my score in the beginning just to learn the ropes, I kinda feel in a weird spot I shoot better as far as point of impact with my production gun ( VP9 I have had for 6 years) but I handle and manipulate my limited gun way faster ( sig 1911 max)

Clusterfrack
09-30-2021, 07:24 PM
Ah, bummer about the mag limit. My bias is for Production because I like the challenge of low cap minor.

You can see division breakdown on PractiScore.

Artemas2
09-30-2021, 08:02 PM
With what you have described it sounds like Production is what you are going to want. L10 would just put you at a scoring disadvantage for the same work. Unless I am thinking of another gun, your sig max should be single stack legal. That could also be an option if you favor that gun more.

You can still shoot limited, many NY guys I shoot with still prefer it over L10, however yes your are still stuck with 10 rounds and you will risk getting screwed over on classifiers without mandatory reloads.

JCS
09-30-2021, 08:49 PM
It’s cliche but it’s true. Shoot what you have and then if you love it you can get a gun tailored for the division. Based off what you have production seems to be the best choice. Unless your gun is a 2011 or something that isn’t production legal.

Jim Watson
09-30-2021, 09:38 PM
Because I live in a mag capacity state isn't L10 the only limited divison available? I am not to concerned about my score in the beginning just to learn the ropes, I kinda feel in a weird spot I shoot better as far as point of impact with my production gun ( VP9 I have had for 6 years) but I handle and manipulate my limited gun way faster ( sig 1911 max)

In a limited state you can still shoot any division, just with reduced capacity but still with whatever the division allows.
Open still gets you a compensator and scope, CO the scope.
Limited, L10, and SS are equivalent and Production not far behind.

What does your Sig lack on "point of impact"? Can you not zero it or do you just get larger groups?

Shoot one or the other and don't worry about Minor scoring.

Everybody there is in the same boat, you don't have the Internet Expert Advice that you are not smart enough to reload your gun and should shoot Limited Minor in a Production capable gun like your VP9. Pay attention and learn to "break down the stage" so that you are reloading at the most advantageous times, usually on the move with no targets in sight.

Dsal86
10-01-2021, 05:35 AM
In a limited state you can still shoot any division, just with reduced capacity but still with whatever the division allows.
Open still gets you a compensator and scope, CO the scope.
Limited, L10, and SS are equivalent and Production not far behind.

What does your Sig lack on "point of impact"? Can you not zero it or do you just get larger groups?

Shoot one or the other and don't worry about Minor scoring.

Everybody there is in the same boat, you don't have the Internet Expert Advice that you are not smart enough to reload your gun and should shoot Limited Minor in a Production capable gun like your VP9. Pay attention and learn to "break down the stage" so that you are reloading at the most advantageous times, usually on the move with no targets in sight.

My groups are bigger with my Sig and I feel like I am adjusting the sights every time I use it to get it where I want to be, my VP9 I can pick up any day an not have to worry where I am hitting, I have also put 5x more rounds through my VP9 so its not to surprising..and I never really looked into SS division but I may start to.

Jim Watson
10-01-2021, 08:12 AM
You may shoot the VP9 you are more familiar with or work to get better with the Sig.
Whichever, pick one and stay with it. I find flip flopping guns every week or so is harmful to performance. Early days in IDPA I shot the same gun for a year at a time, then changed divisions for the next year.
My USPSA gun is one of two 2011s, now usually the .45 in L10 because I have more large primers than small.

CraigS
10-01-2021, 08:22 AM
Just reading this thread it is obvious to me that you are more comfortable/confident w/ the VP9 so I'd go w/ it. The last thing you want to do is look at a score and think, dang I could have done better w/ my other gun. It doesn't matter how it fits into whatever class for at least your first 6 months or so. Go, shoot, listen, ask questions, and have a blast. Picking a gun for a division can happen next year.

perlslacker
10-01-2021, 08:33 AM
The classic advice is to just shoot Limited Minor so you can fill your mags all the way up and not have to worry about reloading as much at first.

But since you're limited to 10rd mags anyhow, just shoot Production IMO.

Clusterfrack
10-01-2021, 10:16 AM
My groups are bigger with my Sig and I feel like I am adjusting the sights every time I use it to get it where I want to be, my VP9 I can pick up any day an not have to worry where I am hitting, I have also put 5x more rounds through my VP9 so its not to surprising..and I never really looked into SS division but I may start to.

Sounds like you have your answer. I recommend shooting the VP9 in Production or Lim/Lim10 minor.

cheby
10-01-2021, 01:03 PM
My groups are bigger with my Sig and I feel like I am adjusting the sights every time I use it to get it where I want to be, my VP9 I can pick up any day an not have to worry where I am hitting, I have also put 5x more rounds through my VP9 so its not to surprising..and I never really looked into SS division but I may start to.
Shoot production with your VP9. There's no reason to do L10.

Stephanie B
10-07-2021, 03:38 PM
Hmph.

I joined USPSA in late 2019. The next match (November) was canceled because of weather. I couldn't shoot the March '20 match. Then came the pandemic.

Local matches started up a few months ago. The outdoor ones seem to coincide with family/\/friend events, as people are trying to get in the time they missed. The indoor ones, well, standing around in an indoor range with thirty or so semi-strangers does not appeal to me; especially since new variants keep popping up. The vaccines supposedly would keep me from severe illness/death, but I'd rather not get sick at all. Especially since as I can now visit my nearly 98 year-old mother after losing well over a year of visits, I'm not gambling on contracting Covid.

Bottom line: Dropping another $40 for membership seems foolish.

cheby
10-08-2021, 08:07 PM
Hmph.

I joined USPSA in late 2019. The next match (November) was canceled because of weather. I couldn't shoot the March '20 match. Then came the pandemic.

Local matches started up a few months ago. The outdoor ones seem to coincide with family/\/friend events, as people are trying to get in the time they missed. The indoor ones, well, standing around in an indoor range with thirty or so semi-strangers does not appeal to me; especially since new variants keep popping up. The vaccines supposedly would keep me from severe illness/death, but I'd rather not get sick at all. Especially since as I can now visit my nearly 98 year-old mother after losing well over a year of visits, I'm not gambling on contracting Covid.

Bottom line: Dropping another $40 for membership seems foolish.

BTW, you don't have to be a member of USPSA to shoot local matches. Just show up and shoot. You would not get classified but that doesn't matter

Duelist
10-09-2021, 09:07 AM
Sounds like you have your answer. I recommend shooting the VP9 in Production or Lim/Lim10 minor.


Shoot production with your VP9. There's no reason to do L10.

Thirded.

The first most important thing at a match is to not put holes in people, then not in things you don’t mean to. Then, the most important thing is to put the holes in the targets exactly where you mean to.

Speed of shooting and manipulations comes way down the list, especially in comparison to safe shooting and manipulation from a beginner.

Gio
11-04-2021, 12:22 PM
I always recommend new shooters get their bearings shooting limited minor or carry optics, although its rare that a new shooter has a gun for CO.

While production sounds new shooter friendly, it's by far one of the hardest divisions in the sport (besides revolver but there are only 3-4 of those guys in the country). Minor PF and low cap leaves such a thin margin for error and stage planning/execution is exponentially harder with the added reloads, 10 round arrays with small steel targets that will make you go to slide lock, etc. If they ever went to production 15 or 140mm mags, it would make it a better starting spot for new shooters, but I would rather people learn to just run around the stage and plan efficiently with 1 reload than try to cram in 3-4 reloads, worry about round count, etc.

1911Nut
11-04-2021, 03:17 PM
Go with the one you currently shoot the best.

Or the one you have the most ammo for.

Or the one that looks the coolest.

Or the one that is closest to the inside of the safe door.

Or the one you like the best.

It doesn't matter.

Because if you stay in competition, chances are 99 in a 100 that in a year you will be shooting a different gun (and in likely a different division) than where you start.

Just get started, get out on the range, observe, ask questions, and learn.

BWT
11-05-2021, 01:17 PM
Sounds like you have your answer. I recommend shooting the VP9 in Production or Lim/Lim10 minor.

I’m a nobody (not even classified yet). But I’d say dip a toe and use what you have. If you enjoy it then plan around it, but you may go to one match and never want to do it again (for whatever reason).

Before joining or buying gear I’d just shoot a match. I went a bit different route but that’s because I wanted to incorporate RDS anyway in my carry gun.

ETA: It didn’t remain my carry gun but anyway - you get what I’m after here.

I forgot to add - I agree with this.