Brief Peek at the Forward Control Glock MOS Plate

[KevH]

First off, I need to get out there, I'm not particularly impressed with CHPWS. I've now owned a few of their plates and while functional (for the most part) the customer service of the company is beyond lacking. Products shipped with the wrong screws, blaming the customer for not applying VC3 properly when the product was actually flawed with QC issue, proprietary secret screw sizes that they charge $8+shipping for two of, and internal e-mails trash talking their customers inadvertently sent to the customer...not a fan of #boomsquad (https://pistol-forum.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=boomsquad) .

Bearing that in mind, I went looking for an alternate solution for the Glock's MOS plates to recommend to our officers and for use myself. Someone I trust recommended Forward Control Design (FCD) and oh man, am I glad they did.

I bought their plate for the RMR/SRO. The retail cost of the plate was $68 (they offer and LE/Mil discount as well). I had a few questions and spoke to Roger Wang with FCD before placing my order. He was extremely prompt and straight forward. None of the shenanigans I've experienced or witnessed co-workers experience through the other company.

This is what arrived:

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The plate itself is made of steel, not aluminum. As you can see, it comes with screws to mount the plate to the slide and screws to mount the optic to the plate. It also came with a Torx wrench and VC3 (which I don't use). The instructions were very clear. What I was particularly impressed by was the fact the screws were marked with what they actually are and with the torque values (well done).

The plate is very well machined and very well finished. It fit perfectly with a tad bit of friction into the MOS cut. I used Loctite 248 as the thread locker and torqued the plate to spec.

Next, I mounted the RMR. This was not just a snug drop in. It actually had some friction when placing it on the plate similar to when installing an RMR into a custom milled slide. The front of the plate actually wraps the front of the RMR a tad. Once pressed into place the RMR didn't budge. I turned the slide upside down prior to installing the screws and shook it. The optic was on the plate solid. Next, using Loctite 248 I installed the provided screws and torqued them to spec. I'm going to let it cure for a couple days before I take it to the range.

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I have to say so far I'm really impressed. They make plates for the Glock MOS and for P320 and sell their products on their own and through TangoDown.

High quality and straightforward.

[Wake27]

FCD is one of a few companies that has never failed to impress, both in product and CS. I actually just pulled the RMR off of mine for another use and kind of didn’t want to just because it’s a very elegant solution.


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[WDR]

I'm a big fan of the FC RMR plate. I have two, and if Glock ever brings the 26.5 MOS to the USA, I'll have another.

[RJ]

Your thoughts on CHPWS and impressions of the Forward Controls plate mirror mine 100%.

I have a couple FC plates that have been absolutely perfect with two Holosun 507c’s.

[SoCalDep]

Also a big fan of the FCD RMR plate and I trust them more than C&H... but they don’t guarantee to work with Holosun which is really popular. I have one and have used it with a couple RMRs on a couple Glocks and the fit is awesome.

[Paul D]

Your thoughts on CHPWS and impressions of the Forward Controls plate mirror mine 100%.

I have a couple FC plates that have been absolutely perfect with two Holosun 507c’s.

Did you used the supplied screws? They had warning on their website regarding potential damage to the plate when mounting a Holosun.

[RJ]

Did you used the supplied screws? They had warning on their website regarding potential damage to the plate when mounting a Holosun.

I will check and confirm later today (heading out to a match) but IIRC I used the screws supplied by Holosun to secure the optic to the plate, and the screws supplied by FC to attach the plate to the slide. Fit was very secure/snug, and I used Blue Loctite and a Wheeler FAT wrench set to 13 in lbs. I painted witness marks using nail polish on the optic screws and to date neither has moved. (G19 has about 180 rounds with the optic mounted; the G34 about 900).

[okie john]

What I was particularly impressed by was the fact the screws were marked with what they actually are and with the torque values (well done).

This should become the industry standard. I hate standing there like a hog looking at a wristwatch when it's time to torque important stuff. I've taken to actually writing it on my rifles with a Sharpie.


Okie John

[CHNEAL]

My second plate arrived yesterday and I haven’t even bought the pistol to put it on. I have almost 6k rounds through my G19 with my first one and its been perfect. I have a 26.5 at Jagerwerks now getting milled for an RMR and I kinda wish I had just waited for the MOS version so I could just to buy another FCD plate.

[RJ]

I will check and confirm later today (heading out to a match) but IIRC I used the screws supplied by Holosun to secure the optic to the plate, and the screws supplied by FC to attach the plate to the slide. Fit was very secure/snug, and I used Blue Loctite and a Wheeler FAT wrench set to 13 in lbs. I painted witness marks using nail polish on the optic screws and to date neither has moved. (G19 has about 180 rounds with the optic mounted; the G34 about 900).

Confirmed:

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[ASH556]

I have FCD plates on both of my MOS Glocks; a 19 and a 45. I don’t shoot enough to have really wrung one all the way out yet, but I did put 952 rds through the G45 setup in a Gabe White class last weekend. The Ameriglo backup irons failed (rear drifted out to the edge of the dovetail) but the optic and plate were fine.

That said, my buddy karmapolice probably has north of 20k through the same setup on a pair of G45’s with no issues (optic and plate-wise; he had the Ameriglo failure early on and switched to Heine. I didn’t listen then. I have now).

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[GJM]

I wonder if the reason they don’t list Holosun as approved is based on function or something else, like country of origin?

[Wake27]

I wonder if the reason they don’t list Holosun as approved is based on function or something else, like country of origin?

Think they list it on the website, inconsistency in their dimensions making it impossible to achieve Roger's consistent fit IIRC.

[KevH]

I wonder if the reason they don’t list Holosun as approved is based on function or something else, like country of origin?

Dimensional inconsistency to get a nice tight fit. I asked.

[GJM]

Back in the days I was breaking a DP Pro every few weeks, for a while I thought a tight pocket enhanced optic durability. Turns out it was when the DP pro was made.

Any more, I have observed no relationship between a tight pocket and optic durability. Loctite, Fix it Sticks, and proper screws are important, though.

[pistolzone]

I bought it last week, It's really helpful so far. Sight is to be fully supported in the front and rear by recoil lugs, with minimum movement.

[CHNEAL]

That said, my buddy karmapolice probably has north of 20k through the same setup on a pair of G45’s with no issues (optic and plate-wise; he had the Ameriglo failure early on and switched to Heine. I didn’t listen then. I have now).

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Ive run Heinie straight eight ledge on every Glock I owned until I went MOS on Gen 5. I have a set of their short MOS from them on a 43x mos slided 43 with a swampfox sentinel i used to determine if the red dot was for me and they are perfect lower 1/3. I looked at the MOS sights for the gen 5 19 mos but they looked like absolute co-witness and I didnt pull the trigger( sorry couldn’t help it) so went Dawson and 10-8 but honestly am thinking about going to the heinies now that I have worked with the dot.
Are those The Heinies on the pictured g19? I just help them up to see and bailed.

[ASH556]

Ive run Heinie straight eight ledge on every Glock I owned until I went MOS on Gen 5. I have a set of their short MOS from them on a 43x mos slided 43 with a swampfox sentinel i used to determine if the red dot was for me and they are perfect lower 1/3. I looked at the MOS sights for the gen 5 19 mos but they looked like absolute co-witness and I didnt pull the trigger( sorry couldn’t help it) so went Dawson and 10-8 but honestly am thinking about going to the heinies now that I have worked with the dot.
Are those The Heinies on the pictured g19? I just help them up to see and bailed.

Yep, Heinies on the G19 in that pic. They're a little taller than the Ameriglo GL470s, but shooting the dot I don't notice it and appreciate the extra security.

[tusk212]

I will be picking up one of their plates to go along with an Aimpoint ACRO P2 when they drop hopefully based on people with more knowledge than me speaking highly of them. I only have one experience with CHPWS regarding a 509T plate. My order arrived with everything but the plate. Screws, VC3, and literature all in the packaging, but no plate.

[CHNEAL]

Yep, Heinies on the G19 in that pic. They're a little taller than the Ameriglo GL470s, but shooting the dot I don't notice it and appreciate the extra security.


Thank you. 2 sets inbound now.

[HeavyDuty]

I will be picking up one of their plates to go along with an Aimpoint ACRO P2 when they drop hopefully based on people with more knowledge than me speaking highly of them. I only have one experience with CHPWS regarding a 509T plate. My order arrived with everything but the plate. Screws, VC3, and literature all in the packaging, but no plate.

I just got mine, it’s dual marked TD and FWC. I’m not sure who makes and who relabels, but it looks good. I’m hoping my P2 shows up before dirt nap time.

[Norville]

I have run an FCD plate and SRO on my Carry Optics G34 for the last two seasons. It has probably 28-30k rounds on it, no issues at all.

Plus I have known Roger since the preban days on Arrcom, he’s a solid dude.

[CWM11B]

Wish they made one for the M&P 2.0 OR pistols.

[KevH]

Wish they made one for the M&P 2.0 OR pistols.

Totally. At least make one for the RMR/SRO. I think the market would be there.

[3-7-77]

Wish they made one for the M&P 2.0 OR pistols.

I emailed them begging for an M&P 2.0 OR plate. Roger himself wrote back at 1130pm saying they had gotten requests but they didn't have a plan for the M&P at this time. The prompt, professional
and well after-hours response was refreshing.

[JSGlock34]

Back in the days I was breaking a DP Pro every few weeks, for a while I thought a tight pocket enhanced optic durability. Turns out it was when the DP pro was made.

Any more, I have observed no relationship between a tight pocket and optic durability. Loctite, Fix it Sticks, and proper screws are important, though.

The tight pocket might not do much for optic durability; however, keeping the optic from moving minimizes the force transferred to the screws. I've seen plenty of pictures of sheared screws with the OEM and CHPWS plates; I've yet to see mounting screws shear on a FCD plate. My two cents, but I think the FCD is the superior design.

[RancidSumo]

I have a simple policy - if I need a part and FCD is an option, that is what I buy. I've put a few thousand rounds through a 19.5MOS with FCD plate and have no complaints.

[TCinVA]

CHWPS does seem to be struggling of late. It's sad to see.

I've had excellent results from the FCD MOS plate for the Acro. I've seen enough of their stuff in the wild to recommend them without hesitation.

[DpdG]

Just mounted a 507c with the FCD plate- sight worked perfect with the plate, although I had to do some slight sanding to the plate to get it to fit into the MOS cut. Anyways, onward to sights: I want them to be as low as possible while being technically usable- as long as the tops of the sights are above the deck height, I don't care if the full depth of rear notch is visible. I was going to slap on some GL429's, but a few people have mentioned the rear walking. The Heinies are well regarded, but look a fair bit taller than what I'd prefer. Is 10-8 rear with Ameriglo .315 front the better option or something else?

[matt7184]

Just mounted a 507c with the FCD plate- sight worked perfect with the plate, although I had to do some slight sanding to the plate to get it to fit into the MOS cut. Anyways, onward to sights: I want them to be as low as possible while being technically usable- as long as the tops of the sights are above the deck height, I don't care if the full depth of rear notch is visible. I was going to slap on some GL429's, but a few people have mentioned the rear walking. The Heinies are well regarded, but look a fair bit taller than what I'd prefer. Is 10-8 rear with Ameriglo .315 front the better option or something else?

I would take a look at this: https://cpcustomguns.com/product/template-sights-rds-back-up/ Just received my first set and am going to test them out.

[HeavyDuty]

I would take a look at this: https://cpcustomguns.com/product/template-sights-rds-back-up/ Just received my first set and am going to test them out.

Those look interesting - I like that they have a setscrew. Please report back with how they work out for you.

[CHNEAL]

Just mounted a 507c with the FCD plate- sight worked perfect with the plate, although I had to do some slight sanding to the plate to get it to fit into the MOS cut. Anyways, onward to sights: I want them to be as low as possible while being technically usable- as long as the tops of the sights are above the deck height, I don't care if the full depth of rear notch is visible. I was going to slap on some GL429's, but a few people have mentioned the rear walking. The Heinies are well regarded, but look a fair bit taller than what I'd prefer. Is 10-8 rear with Ameriglo .315 front the better option or something else?

Ive been running the 10-8 and honestly don’t like it. Might be the U notch but….I have Heinies inbound for both of mine so if you want to give this 10-8 a shot pm me an address and it will be on the way to you as soon as I get it swapped out.7754377544

[KevH]

I've had no issue with Ameriglo backups, but of course, YMMV. I've never liked u-notch rear sights, but that is personal preference. I do want the edges of the sight to taper to the center so that only a very small portion of the rear notch is visible and obstructs the optic as little as necessary.

Surprisingly, my all-time favorite backup irons for pistols are the XS "Minimalist" sights for the H&K VP9. They are pretty much absolutely perfect. Previously I only wanted plain black front and rear, but these things are true to their minimalist label and seem to be the absolute perfect height and the front sight is unobtrusive until you need it, but when you do, it's very easy to find. I really wish they would make the same sight for Glocks and M&P's.

https://xssights.com/minimalist-suppressor-rmr-height/

[TCB]

The Ameriglo GL420 rear and their bold fronts give you basically that same set. It’s what are on all my personal Glocks, the rear is available in both u notch (420) and a traditional square (don’t have the model #) if that’s your preference.

[FreedomFries]

I have an M&P with a loose front dovetail cut in the slide where pretty much every front sight drifted out of position within 50 rounds. I just pressed it back in with a drop of Permatex 64000 sleeve retainer and it hasn't walked since. I think Dawson recommends Loctite 262 on their front and rear dovetailed sights. Perhaps using some type of appropriate strength sleeve retainer or threadlocker might work for those of you with Ameriglo rears that are walking under recoil.

I've been using 10-8 rear and not necessarily a huge fan of the U notch, but in this case, it didn't seem to matter much because the bottom of the notch is obstructed anyway when using RMR or HS 407CO on the FCD plate. Also wanted to mention that I've installed 3 of the 10-8 MOS .395 height rear sights and they all required some fitting and were so close to the top of the slide that they rubbed some finish at the top of the slide. This might be an issue for some people who aren't used to fitting sights. Because the fit to the top of the slide is so close, the method of sanding the bottom of the dovetail isn't going to work well. I had to fit each one by filing on the angled parts of the dovetail with a safe edge dovetail file, starting with some initial passes on an EZE-Lap diamond hone or with silicone carbide sandpaper backed by the file because of the hard melonite finish.

Been debating trying an SRO, which I've heard has a higher deck height. To those of you using Henie MOS sights, are they tall enough to be functional with an SRO on the FCD plate?