View Full Version : Comped glock 26 versus 19? Or, mini fauxland special vs 19
Westtexasrancher
06-12-2021, 08:56 PM
Hey all,
Recently got back into glocks, per se, with a couple of mr920s and a gen 5 26. The short grip is necessary for an NPE I am in a lot, with a smartcarry currently, but carry the 920s everywhere else. I am wondering if the 26 and 19 workout like a roland special versus 17 when the shorter one is comped. Will a comped 26 (red dot as well) outdo my mr920s, uncomped with red dots? I don't want to mess with a good thing, if not, because the 26 is a solid little pistol.
Thanks all 🙂
I think a comped 26 is better than a non-comped 19 or 17. Mine is comped w a Parker Mountain Machine Comp. it’s become one of my favorites. W the PMM comp it’s 17 length. I carry it in a JMCK 17 AIWB.
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Edit: I think JodyH is running a 19 w/ a Mayhem Syndicate comp/barrel that’s the same length as mine, but has a 19 length grip. I believe PMM is working on Glock versions of their microcomp, which would make a comped G26 be as long as a G19, IIRC.
I was very skeptical of a compensator on a Glock but recently put a Mayham syndicate comp on a Glock 19 upper. With the red dot, I was amazed how well the Comp did in quieting the dot. I would think a 26 with a comp would be a great combination.
Hey all,
Recently got back into glocks, per se, with a couple of mr920s and a gen 5 26. The short grip is necessary for an NPE I am in a lot, with a smartcarry currently, but carry the 920s everywhere else. I am wondering if the 26 and 19 workout like a roland special versus 17 when the shorter one is comped. Will a comped 26 (red dot as well) outdo my mr920s, uncomped with red dots? I don't want to mess with a good thing, if not, because the 26 is a solid little pistol.
Thanks all 🙂
First of all only you can figure this out by shooting the guns in quesion. Nobody can answer this except you.
Second, I personally would shoot a grip chopped comped g19 vs a 26 for a few reasons.
Westtexasrancher
06-13-2021, 06:39 AM
Thank you guys.
Wonder if anyone has grip chopped a shadow systems gun yet..
Thank you guys.
Wonder if anyone has grip chopped a shadow systems gun yet..
I think EVP gave the advice regarding an actual G19 because of where the backstrap hump falls on a 19 versus 26.
The backstrap system on an MR920 is more integral and because of that, a chop might not work because the retention system would be compromised and unlike a Glock you can’t just do without the backstrap.
Westtexasrancher
06-13-2021, 07:10 AM
I was just thinking that, the strap would have to be epoxied and blended or something.
I do miss the thumb ledge when using the 26. Got so used to it on the SS guns that I noticeably miss the ledge on everything else.
Now, PMM or mayhem. I'm liking mayhem as my other glocks are the mr920s and a glock 45 that's back at glock, so I could use the same holsters.
Nephrology
06-13-2021, 07:58 AM
I'm eyeing carry compensators right now, actually.
What have people found to be the most reliable? I have one slide that came with a KE arms compensator (basically KKM style) but i feel like the gas ports are a bit too generous for 9mm. Was looking at swapping it for an Agency.
CCT125US
06-13-2021, 08:23 AM
That's a spendy configuration, but I do like that it's a package deal.
https://shootingsurplus.com/mayhem-syndicate-carry-compensator-mk2-w-barrel-g19-gen3-4/
I was just thinking that, the strap would have to be epoxied and blended or something.
I do miss the thumb ledge when using the 26. Got so used to it on the SS guns that I noticeably miss the ledge on everything else.
Now, PMM or mayhem. I'm liking mayhem as my other glocks are the mr920s and a glock 45 that's back at glock, so I could use the same holsters.
You can have a thumb ledge cut into your 26 frame.
Or if you’re ambitious you can cut one and stipple with a soldering iron.
I'm eyeing carry compensators right now, actually.
What have people found to be the most reliable? I have one slide that came with a KE arms compensator (basically KKM style) but i feel like the gas ports are a bit too generous for 9mm. Was looking at swapping it for an Agency.
Keep in mind that compensators require less recoil spring because of slide slowing.
So “reliable” is a little bit of a moving target. If you take a stock gun and put a compensator on it… if you use the stock recoil spring, weak ammo or an imperfect grip will bring the probability closer to a malfunction.
Nephrology
06-13-2021, 09:45 AM
Keep in mind that compensators require less recoil spring because of slide slowing.
So “reliable” is a little bit of a moving target. If you take a stock gun and put a compensator on it… if you use the stock recoil spring, weak ammo or an imperfect grip will bring the probability closer to a malfunction.
That's more or less my understanding. My current Fauxland iteration is using a 15lb ISMI spring right now which seems to be an appropriate fit for a dual chamber compensator. My KE Arms compensator seems to work OK with 124 gr ammo but doesn't do so well with 115grs, even with the lighter spring, in part I believe because the port holes are venting a lot of gas vs. competitor comps.
Ordered the Agency 2-port compensator to see if that helps at all. Their ports look a little more conservative, so hoping it will run well with my existing 15lb spring. Aaron Cowan seemed to have good results so hopeful this one will be an improvement.
I think full power ammo 15 pounds is probably okay, but 13 might give you more margin for imperfect grip in a defensive situation. Test your ammo / compensator combo with a limp wrist for a few shots.
Nephrology
06-13-2021, 11:24 AM
I think full power ammo 15 pounds is probably okay, but 13 might give you more margin for imperfect grip in a defensive situation. Test your ammo / compensator combo with a limp wrist for a few shots.
At 13lbs I'd be worried about issues returning to battery. That said I did buy a 3-pak of differently weighted springs from Blacklist, I think the lightest was 13lb. Once I get the Agency in + installed I will test a few different loads out and see how it does.
CDFIII
06-13-2021, 11:51 AM
I have PMM Comps on 3 different Glocks. 19X. G45 and a 19. All three guns have been flawless going from 115 to 124 and 147gr . I use only factory springs and have been happy with their performance. I have been looking at a few other comps on the market but have yet to switch, I hate messing with springs and I know the PMM's work well.
I have PMM Comps on 3 different Glocks. 19X. G45 and a 19. All three guns have been flawless going from 115 to 124 and 147gr . I use only factory springs and have been happy with their performance. I have been looking at a few other comps on the market but have yet to switch, I hate messing with springs and I know the PMM's work well.
Flawless under perfect range conditions doesn’t mean they haven’t lost reserve.
It’s funny how many “flawless” things in my hands start to show warts even when handed over to my friends with less trained grips and techniques.
Just saying know your system and the trade offs your making.
Most people would be better off with better recoil management training than changing one variable in their system without addressing or acknowledging the others.
Try it weak handed with a low, floppy grip.
At 13lbs I'd be worried about issues returning to battery. That said I did buy a 3-pak of differently weighted springs from Blacklist, I think the lightest was 13lb. Once I get the Agency in + installed I will test a few different loads out and see how it does.
I usually go 11 with weaker ammo. It’s all about matching ammo to springs.
backtrail540
06-13-2021, 01:48 PM
My buddy has a pmm comped g45 and a 2.0 core that is ported. Neither runs in his hands and both have been 100% in mine. What JCN says above about margin seems to ring true in this set of circumstances and i never heard it put that way, but i think it paints a good picture that is easy to understand.
CDFIII
06-13-2021, 01:51 PM
Flawless under perfect range conditions doesn’t mean they haven’t lost reserve.
It’s funny how many “flawless” things in my hands start to show warts even when handed over to my friends with less trained grips and techniques.
Just saying know your system and the trade offs your making.
Most people would be better off with better recoil management training than changing one variable in their system without addressing or acknowledging the others.
Try it weak handed with a low, floppy grip.
Agreed! I have tried them in more than just indoor range conditions. Muddy and wet, weak one handed grip they function. My six year old son has shot them and they cycle and feed. His grip is less than ideal. I have pretty well tested them best to my ability. Anything can take a dump on you and Murphy always visits when it’s less than ideal. I still feel they are probably one of the few comps that will not need tweaking through the range of 9mm loads.
JodyH
06-13-2021, 04:30 PM
Since January I've shot right at 3000 rounds of assorted "cheap" practice 9mm and another 250 rounds of assorted +P and +P+ carry ammo split fairly evenly between a 19x and a 26.5 both with Mayhem Syndicate comps and factory recoil springs.
Zero malfunctions and noticeably flatter recoil impulses on both.
jandbj
06-13-2021, 07:11 PM
https://suarezinternational.com/suarez-street-comp-for-gen-3-9mm-glock/
Seems like a less expensive option to try the theory on... perhaps?
Since January I've shot right at 3000 rounds of assorted "cheap" practice 9mm and another 250 rounds of assorted +P and +P+ carry ammo split fairly evenly between a 19x and a 26.5 both with Mayhem Syndicate comps and factory recoil springs.
Zero malfunctions and noticeably flatter recoil impulses on both.
I shot many thousands of rounds through a competition gun without any malfunctions or issues.
Loaned it to a range noob who promptly had successive FTFs and jams because the spring was too stiff for his mechanics but not for mine.
PMM is local to me, so I see a few around, including the owner who shoots a few local matches. He claims, and the other customers' performance supports, that decent quality standard pressure 115fmj will run his comps with stock recoil springs without issue. I don't pretend to know much about the engineering, but many of the competing designs have both side and top ports, while his are only on top. Perhaps since his appear to only be comps, not brakes, slide velocity/energy isn't as strongly altered as competing designs?
JodyH
06-14-2021, 04:54 AM
My experience over several thousand rounds through the Mayhem Syndicate comped 26 and 19X and my PMM comped 19X with a RDS is the factory recoil springs work fine.
Clean, dirty, new shooter, experienced shooter, right side up, upside down, 115gr. bunny fart or +P+ flame thrower. Whatever.
My experience is that the lightweight single port or compact carry comps do not require spring changes.
YMMV with multi-port or heavier comps.
Westtexasrancher
06-15-2021, 03:23 PM
Very cool, thank you.
Surprising we only have a couple of instances of comped 26s here.
HCountyGuy
06-15-2021, 04:45 PM
Flawless under perfect range conditions doesn’t mean they haven’t lost reserve.
It’s funny how many “flawless” things in my hands start to show warts even when handed over to my friends with less trained grips and techniques.
Just saying know your system and the trade offs your making.
Most people would be better off with better recoil management training than changing one variable in their system without addressing or acknowledging the others.
Try it weak handed with a low, floppy grip.
To be fair if one were to hand a highly reliable gun to a someone with no grasp of fundamentals who limp-wristed the hell out of it you’re likely to see issues. If you’re actively trying to induce a failure, don’t be surprised when it happens.
In the interest of full disclosure I too run a PMM comp.
Also I know karmapolice has put a not-insignificant amount of rounds through two of his PMM comped G45s and has had no issues.
Hey all,
Recently got back into glocks, per se, with a couple of mr920s and a gen 5 26. The short grip is necessary for an NPE I am in a lot, with a smartcarry currently, but carry the 920s everywhere else. I am wondering if the 26 and 19 workout like a roland special versus 17 when the shorter one is comped. Will a comped 26 (red dot as well) outdo my mr920s, uncomped with red dots? I don't want to mess with a good thing, if not, because the 26 is a solid little pistol.
Thanks all 🙂
As far as the 26 vs a 19 with a chopped grip you might want to look at this thread. https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?32114-Glock-26-Gen-5&p=763642&viewfull=1#post763642
Im no expert by any means but the 26 has passed some pretty stringent Fed LE Agency evaluations. You might consider reading the linked thread and talking to HCM about the 26.
As far as the 26 vs a 19 with a chopped grip you might want to look at this thread. https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?32114-Glock-26-Gen-5&p=763642&viewfull=1#post763642
Im no expert by any means but the 26 has passed some pretty stringent Fed LE Agency evaluations. You might consider reading the linked thread and talking to HCM about the 26.
The 26 is Good To Go. We've had great results with the G26's. It one point we were only authorized G17's and G26's due to some since resolved issues with G19's. More recently, the 26 was the only gen 5 Glock to pass our agency testing (we currently only authorize the gen 3 and gen 4).
DrkBlue
06-15-2021, 10:30 PM
As another datapoint, my G26 Gen 4 running stock springs and one of the minimalist Suarez comps.
I was pleasantly surprised that stock springs have worked fine for 200 rounds +/-. Ammo has been a mix of various 115gr range rounds (WWB, Remington and filthy Wolf steel) as well as several magazines of Gold Dot 124gr.
No bobbles and some perceived increase in smoothness. Minor push downwards, which is nice match to my RDS. No split measurements as a quantitative yet.
I tried the KKM style comp, which I found was a bit too much downwards force on a G26. That might be a “me” problem due to some strength issues in my grip, but I felt the KKM downwards force leveraged the short grip surface of the G26 as a mismatch. I had to fight to bring the nose of the gun up too often. YMMV.
coldcase1984
10-09-2021, 10:38 PM
Happy to revive this thread, and implore y'all to put up some pics of your G26 itty bitty Rolands.
My formerly issued G27.3 converted to 9mm with an AlphaWolf threaded barrel is one of two personal weapons I carry for backup and off-duty.
It's been a reliable performer with both .40 original barrel and a G32 .357 tube.
No internals have been switched out, yet no problems with three calibers in the past 21 years.
Anyways, asking for some images and thoughts on a multi-caliber compact...
RancidSumo
10-09-2021, 10:47 PM
This is similar to the question I’ve been struggling with - 43X comped (PMM?) vs 48. If nobody minds the slight hijack, I’d appreciate any thoughts on that front.
I’ve had a Suarez comped 48, a comped 26 and a comped 19. Ditched the 48. Didn’t care for it. Here’s some pics of my comped 26. PMM comp, Silencerco barrel. The comped 26 is one of my favorites.
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And my comped 26 in action:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CTdFlaajQjk/?utm_medium=copy_link
This is similar to the question I’ve been struggling with - 43X comped (PMM?) vs 48. If nobody minds the slight hijack, I’d appreciate any thoughts on that front.
Once LTT has 43x MOS available, I will likely get one of those and add a PMM comp. Currently carry an iron sight/bare muzzle 48 and shoot 45/19x with PMM comps, so should be an easy transition. I found I really like the way comps enhance the rds experience.
I think a comped 26 is better than a non-comped 19 or 17. Mine is comped w a Parker Mountain Machine Comp. it’s become one of my favorites. W the PMM comp it’s 17 length. I carry it in a JMCK 17 AIWB.
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Edit: I think JodyH is running a 19 w/ a Mayhem Syndicate comp/barrel that’s the same length as mine, but has a 19 length grip. I believe PMM is working on Glock versions of their microcomp, which would make a comped G26 be as long as a G19, IIRC.
I'm really interested in picking up a G26.5 and getting a PMM comp. They make a comp for a G26? How does it shoot compared to a non comped G19?
I'm really interested in picking up a G26.5 and getting a PMM comp. They make a comp for a G26? How does it shoot compared to a non comped G19?
That’s actually there Gen 5 G19 comp on that G26. The profile of the front of the slide on the Gen 5s is pretty much the same as the front of any G26. Shoots a bit better than a non-comped 19 with one exception - reloads. My FAST and Casino drill times are pretty much identical between the 2, but it’s due to the slightly longer reloads.
noguns
11-24-2021, 10:26 PM
Is this mayhem carry comp now sold through evolution one zero?
If so can you interchange the same kit on a gen 3 or 5?
That’s actually there Gen 5 G19 comp on that G26. The profile of the front of the slide on the Gen 5s is pretty much the same as the front of any G26. Shoots a bit better than a non-comped 19 with one exception - reloads. My FAST and Casino drill times are pretty much identical between the 2, but it’s due to the slightly longer reloads.
Which barrel are you using with your G26?
Which barrel are you using with your G26?
That’s a Silencerco barrel.
That’s a Silencerco barrel.
Thanks. Stupid Q, you got the G26 threaded barrel, correct?
Also, any issues with any particular types of ammo with the PMM comp?
Thanks. Stupid Q, you got the G26 threaded barrel, correct?
Also, any issues with any particular types of ammo with the PMM comp?
Yes. G26 length. The only issues I had w ammo were with a reduced power recoil spring when I was trying to find the sweet spot of recoil spring weight. Factory spring has not been a problem.
Yes. G26 length. The only issues I had w ammo were with a reduced power recoil spring when I was trying to find the sweet spot of recoil spring weight. Factory spring has not been a problem.
Thanks so much for the helpful info. One more question. How did you choose to go with the PMM comp? Did you try others out first? Good prior experience with PMM? I’m quite a beginner when it comes to comps and there seems to be so many out there it’s difficult to figure out which one would be ideal for me.
Thanks so much for the helpful info. One more question. How did you choose to go with the PMM comp? Did you try others out first? Good prior experience with PMM? I’m quite a beginner when it comes to comps and there seems to be so many out there it’s difficult to figure out which one would be ideal for me.
I did a lot of research on the different comps and the PMM was one of the better ones. Plus I wanted something that would match the profile of the G26 slide. That fit the bill.
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