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Mack
06-06-2021, 08:59 AM
We are happy to announce the ACP-W (Appendix Carry Pillow-Wedge)!

The ACP is made from high performance 100% acrylic USA made fabric with a multilayer synthetic fill core.

The ACP comes with an acrylic adhesive backed loop section to attach the ACP to any holster. The back of the ACP has hook sewn onto it so it can be easily removed and positioned along the included loop.

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RJ
06-06-2021, 09:06 AM
Looks awesome.

Snagged one this morning.

Leroy Suggs
06-06-2021, 09:18 AM
Ordered!

Mirolynmonbro
06-06-2021, 09:26 AM
Got one and a belt. Just need a 17 holster now

J0hnny
06-06-2021, 05:15 PM
Signed up for email notification...

blues
06-06-2021, 05:28 PM
I knew it. No one has ever seen Mack and Mike Lindell in the same room at the same time.

RJ
06-07-2021, 06:28 AM
Looks awesome.

Snagged one this morning.

Sold out already. Wow that was fast.

olgator
06-07-2021, 01:46 PM
Mack is on top of it. got tracking number.

Irelander
06-07-2021, 03:25 PM
Dang, missed the first run. Hoping to see more on the site soon. Not Tom Jones Soon.

jandbj
06-07-2021, 05:14 PM
Stupid work... getting in the way of me reading in stock email notifications. Signed up for the next run.

Mack
06-07-2021, 06:32 PM
Thanks to everyone who ordered one. For those who missed out we are hoping to have another batch made in the next couple of days.

Mack
06-08-2021, 06:04 PM
ACPs have been re-stocked on the site.

If you have signed up for the wait-list you should have received an email, if at the time you open the email to get an ACP and they are out of stock you will have to sign up again for the email notification.

We will send out re-stock notices through the wait-list on our site first and then post in this thread.

Mack
06-09-2021, 03:13 PM
Another batch is currently up on the site. The first two went a lot faster than we had anticipated and the third batch is all of the remaining materials we have on hand. Once this batch is gone we won't have any more up until raw materials arrive which will likely be sometime next week at the earliest.

WDR
06-09-2021, 11:48 PM
Ordered one of these, and a belt to try... just shy of the "free shipping" amount, but I didn't want to buy two pillows and put anyone else out of trying one of these. Actual shipping charge still had my order under $50... very reasonable shipping!

I had been meaning to find some fabric and velcro to give making my own a try, but for the price, I couldn't justify digging out my wife's sewing machine.

RJ
06-10-2021, 12:35 PM
Mastermind Tactics knocks it out of the park (again).

Received my Appendix Carry Pillow - Wedge today. Wow.

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Size is almost exactly what I was hoping for. Weight is estimated (my scale is packed away) at the same as my prototype Lima JCP, approximately 10 grams overall.

Execution is flawless. The fabric might be something like a blend of poly/cotton (?) but it is lightweight and soft-feeling. There is just enough "give" at the bottom (I wear mine so it folds slightly under). As received it is 3" wide by 4" long. "Stand-off" distance from a flat surface without the pillow measures 1 7/8" to a point on my Dark Star Gear Hitchiker; with the pillow, the same point sits 2 1/8" off the surface. This 1/4" net distance matches up with my subjective feel of it adding about 1/4" to the bottom "thickness" of the holster combo (Bear in mind, these are Harbor Freight tolerance measurements. :cool:).

ACP-W comes complete with a rectangle of the "other" side of velcro. I didn't need this, since I have a bunch of that material in place for my JCP and Dr. Scholl's Women's Gel Pad that I stick on the top side, to reduce irritation from my master grip when drawing/reholstering AIWB. But if you don't have any current ACP/JCP/Foam, you would use this velcro to stick onto your holster, then the ACP-W to the velcro. I wear mine slightly rotated off up and down axis, since it seems to fit my ah anatomy in that area better that way.

I love it. I'll probably get another one after it is in stock for a while, so I can rotate them in through washing.

If you want something besides a foam wedge, or a rubber cushion, that gives more comfort over an appendix-carried kydex holster, I would give this item a look, especially at this insane price point.

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Mack
06-12-2021, 12:26 PM
RJ

Thanks for the support and thank you for taking time to share your initial impressions with everyone here.

In regard to the fabric, it is 100% acrylic so it has a soft "hand" or feel but it is very durable. It is a performance fabric that is used in the marine industry quite extensively so it has many great properties for this purpose but the one downside is that it is limited in production so the color/shade of the pillows may change with the current supply of fabric that is available at any given time.

We are happy to hear it is working for you and thanks again!

Clusterfrack
06-13-2021, 04:26 PM
Mack sent me two Appendix Carry Pillows for testing and evaluation. They arrived last Friday, and I immediately ripped open the package with the excitement of a kid on Christmas morning. My expectations were high, given that Mastermind (https://www.mastermindtactics.com) is well-known for making innovative and high-quality gear. I wear their belts daily. Part of me secretly wanted my own hand-made pillows to be better than the commercial version I was about to try. It's been over 6 years since I first posted my design for the Junk Carry Pillow (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?15425-Junk-Carry-Pillow-(AIWB-cushion)), and it's no understatement that the JCP has transformed appendix carry for me. The cushioning and flexibility of the JCP allowed me to carry a fairly large pistol comfortably while doing practically every type of activity, including hiking all day in rugged terrain (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?120-AIWB-(Appendix-Carry)/page197).

TLDR: the Mastermind Appendix Carry Pillow (ACP) exceeds expectations in every way, and is by far the best holster wedge ever produced. Anyone who carries AIWB should buy at least two (use one while the other is in the wash). At the price of $17 (https://www.mastermindtactics.com/shop/acp-w) it's likely the best value you'll purchase this year.

I like the shape, fabric, and especially the fill. And I admit that the ACP is better than even the best of my own hand-made pillows.

The ACP breathes well, and even during a 3 hour drive yesterday in humid conditions, I barely noticed the CZ P-07 in my crotch. As well, the ACP fabric is soft and smooth, and doesn't pull on skin or underwear while bending and moving.

The ~1/2" of pillow extending beyond the end of the holster provides the advantage of a longer holster without the added stiff plastic that can cause issues when bending over or doing ninja moves. The gun's grip is well-tucked (as with other wedges) but in a more flexible way. The ACP squishes when it needs to. No more weird contortions to tie shoes.

The curved shape of the ACP eliminates corners, conforms well to the body. The added length of pillow wraps around and protects your 'parts' from the hard end of the holster.

The folks at Mastermind did some serious research into high-end pillow-filling materials, and chose stuffing that provides just the right amount of loft and memory. How well the loft holds up over time is an open question, but I think it should be possible to fluff up the ACP if it flattens. And at $17, I wouldn't mind buying a new one every few years.

The size of the ACP is just right for a full-size or compact handgun (e.g. Glock 34 to 19). It is larger than ideal for a subcompact (Glock 43 or p365), fixed blade knife, or mag pouch. I hope Mastermind releases a scaled-down ACP soon.

Note: The ACP should be attached so about 1/2" hangs over the holster, and there is minimal thickness under the belt.

I'll post another review after using the ACP for a few months.

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blues
06-13-2021, 04:34 PM
Mack is a class act. I had an inkling he'd do something like this. Well done, gents.

Mack
06-15-2021, 04:02 PM
Clusterfrack Thank you for taking the time to post and share such a detailed initial impression of your experience with the ACP.

For anyone that is waiting on the next run of ACPs we are hopeful that by the weekend there will be another small run available.

Mack
06-18-2021, 02:27 PM
ACPs are currently back in stock!

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blues
06-18-2021, 03:15 PM
I succumbed...

A couple pillows (Because others said you actually have to wash 'em once in a while. ;))

A low-pro mag pouch (Because, why not?)

A multi-use pouch (Because it will hopefully carry my creds while wearing the Specialist Covert under light gym clothing / shorts...when it sucks to have a credential case in your pocket.)

Balisong
06-18-2021, 08:41 PM
Also bought 2 because this thread...

45dotACP
06-18-2021, 09:01 PM
Bought one because this thread for sure.

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BobLoblaw
06-20-2021, 12:25 PM
Bought 2 as well. Thanks!

UNK
06-20-2021, 07:07 PM
I missed the first run and used email notification for the second run. Worked like a charm. I was driving when the email came in so I pulled over and completed the order right then.

RJ
06-20-2021, 08:35 PM
Two days in a row AIWB with the ACP-W so far, still very comfortable driving, eating lunch, walking around the Mall. No issues. I really like this product.

Mack any chance of it being available in a contrasting color (oh, I donít know, maybe orange :cool:)? If not, no worries, Iíll get an order in soon. I was wondering if so, because it would help me alternate them in the wash to be able to tell them apart.

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06-21-2021, 09:28 PM
Two days in a row AIWB with the ACP-W so far, still very comfortable driving, eating lunch, walking around the Mall. No issues. I really like this product.

Mack any chance of it being available in a contrasting color (oh, I donít know, maybe orange :cool:)? If not, no worries, Iíll get an order in soon. I was wondering if so, because it would help me alternate them in the wash to be able to tell them apart.

Sew a few stitches of colored thread in one of the two.

GearFondler
06-22-2021, 02:13 PM
A velcro mouth at the top to allow the end-user to customize how much fill they want inside might be a useful addition.

Clusterfrack
06-22-2021, 02:48 PM
A velcro mouth at the top to allow the end-user to customize how much fill they want inside might be a useful addition.


I have used some of my JCPs for over 3 years without replacement of the fill. But, more importantly I want the top of the pillow to be as thin as possible. Velcro would add some thickness and possibly cause a hot spot. I would prefer a Mastermind JCP without it.

The filling in the new Mastermind ACP makes this even less necessary. Mack can correct me, but I don't think the fill can be added or removed easily because it is enclosed in batting?

Mack
06-22-2021, 04:46 PM
Thank again to everyone for the support and for giving the ACP a try. We are happy to hear and report that the feedback has been very positive so far and we are glad to be able to add some more comfort to everyone's favorite holster!

In regard to a special orange release anything is possible.

As Clusterfrack has pointed out a pillow with end user customization of the fill level would result in the end of the pillow being to bulky, plus the ACP doesn't just have a bunch of fill stuffed inside so altering fill levels would not be feasible at the end user level anyways.

Also in regards to having an adjustable fill level we had a number of people test out ACPs at different fill levels (the results were basically the same as most found out in the original JCP thread that the ideal level of fill was a little less than one would generally assume) and there seemed to be an optimal fill level of pillow that was preferred by everyone.

SAWBONES
06-22-2021, 10:10 PM
A velcro mouth at the top to allow the end-user to customize how much fill they want inside might be a useful addition.

I very much agree.

No question but that the current Mastermind ACP works fine for shorter pistols, and in any case is definitely more comfortable for me than any of the various foam wedges I've used, yet for larger guns with the need for a bit more backward tilt of the butt into the abdomen (for sake of better concealment), a fuller lower portion of the ACP would be of benefit.

If a "velcroed" top opening is judged undesirable for one reason or another, perhaps the pillow might eventually be offered in 2 different sizes at some point, one with more and one with less fill.

LittleLebowski
06-23-2021, 09:09 AM
I knew I was forgetting something, ordering today.

blues
06-23-2021, 09:21 AM
I knew I was forgetting something, ordering today.

Stay in your lane, Lebowski!

WobblyPossum
06-23-2021, 09:25 AM
I decided to pick up a pair which should arrive Saturday. I havenít been disappointed with anything Iíve purchased from Mastermind Tactics/Graith so far (four belts and two holsters) and Iíll be surprised if Iím disappointed with these. I like what Iím reading about people finding the pillows more comfortable than foam wedges.

RJ
06-23-2021, 10:31 AM
Thank again to everyone for the support and for giving the ACP a try. We are happy to hear and report that the feedback has been very positive so far and we are glad to be able to add some more comfort to everyone's favorite holster!

In regard to a special orange release anything is possible.

As Clusterfrack has pointed out a pillow with end user customization of the fill level would result in the end of the pillow being to bulky, plus the ACP doesn't just have a bunch of fill stuffed inside so altering fill levels would not be feasible at the end user level anyways.

Also in regards to having an adjustable fill level we had a number of people test out ACPs at different fill levels (the results were basically the same as most found out in the original JCP thread that the ideal level of fill was a little less than one would generally assume) and there seemed to be an optimal fill level of pillow that was preferred by everyone.

Great feedback. It's fantastic when an OEM maker interacts with actual product users.

I will respectfully disagree with the assessment of an adjustable fill pillow sealed by Velcro being more bulky. This is based on actual prototype/mockup of exactly that in the JCP thread. I lost access to my sewing machine for the current period, or I would have have continued to sew mine up to confirm/deny. But I'll have to actually make my next JCP prototype myself to find out. Hopefully "soon", when our house closes and I can finally get all my stuff out of storage in July.

As to fill, and this is based on multiple carry days, the fill of the ACP-W does not have as much "loft" as my JCP. My JCP is filled with an amount of commercial "poly-fil" spun polyester. Total weight is 10g, and it is more "poofy" (hard to describe) than my ACP-W. I think as a result it is somewhat more comfy (think an extra soft mattress, vs. a firm option) in actual use. The ACP-W compresses, and bends under the kydex, then does not give further, due to less loft. It's very comfortable, and an improvement over a foam pad or wedge, but it could be "more comfortable" for me. I will freely admit it's quite possible this is due to my personal ah, anatomy, in that area.

Now, you can't please everyone, and I'm extremely grateful to have purchased my ACP-W, it works very well. However "for me" I would find a model with a DIY level of fill in particular something like poly-fil and an opening that could close up after adjustment, would be really cool. My comments are only intended to make a fantastic product even better, drive more sales, and help Mack to an early retirement. :)

Coyotesfan97
06-23-2021, 04:57 PM
I ordered one and it feels great when wearing the holster. As always I received it very quickly after placing the order!

Coyotesfan97
06-23-2021, 04:59 PM
Stay in your lane, Lebowski!

This aggression will not stand, man.

Mack
06-23-2021, 06:55 PM
First, we want to thank everyone again for the continued support and feedback on the ACP and over the years in general, we really appreciate it. We love to hear from everyone and encourage everyone to reach out if they have suggestions, feedback, or questions.

For numerous reasons that also have to do with production and pricing an adjustable-fill pillow is not something we are going to offer in the foreseeable future. A larger pillow for those who want one is something that we may offer but we are planning on making a flat pillow first for those who want the comfort a pillow offers but do not want the bulk.

From our experience with our foam products the perceived bulk of a foam wedge (or the ACP) is a sticking point with many users. Please keep in mind that the userbase on PF is much more knowledgeable and informed on AIWB gear and its usage than the average; realistically most people who carry AIWB have no idea what a holster wedge of any sort is or why you would want to put something on your holster that makes it bulkier. We are hoping the forthcoming flat version of the ACP and the current ACP, with the added comfort they provide, can get more users who are unfamiliar with specialized AIWB holster attachments to give one a shot as it has a good chance of improving their overall carry set up.

Also as we have mentioned before the color of the ACP will likely vary from run to run as the fabric that we use is a marine fabric and most if it gets sewn up into very expensive furniture cushions for boats and there is an extremely high demand for it at the moment so the supply we have access to is always different.

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45dotACP
06-23-2021, 10:46 PM
Got mine...yeah this thing is awesome. Will be getting more for the other holsters

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Clusterfrack
06-23-2021, 11:47 PM
I spent the day kayaking with a G26 AIWB, with the ACP. Completely forgot about the gun, despite the position.

Maybe folks who want more ACP wedge can rig a riser using foam wedge velcroed under the ACP?

blues
06-24-2021, 08:12 AM
Really looking forward to trying these out...especially since I've used Mack 's foam wedges pretty much exclusively the past few years. (And they are excellent. I think I've had every iteration but for the most recent, since I haven't worn them out.)

If this ups the comfort and maintains (or improves) the concealment as well...that's going to be a big win-win.

blues
06-25-2021, 06:41 PM
Tested the ACP over the past hour with various Glock holsters.

I find it works best for me with two holsters without claws. A JMCK "George" in G19 size...and one of Mack 's earlier incarnations of the Mastermind G17 sized AIWB holster which he gifted me a few years back. Very comfortable with both holsters riding at the 1.30 position...(and Mack 's Low Pro Mag Pouch riding in front of the support side hip). Great combo.

On my Dark Star Gear Orion, which is fitted with Dark Wing, I found that I prefer going either without a wedge or pillow entirely, or else with just a flat pad.

(Of course these combinations are subject to whim and change at any point, or various articles of attire.)

In any case, the pillow is a cool addition to my holster gear and worth the small investment.

Mack , what are the recommended laundering instructions? (Assuming I ever bother. ;))

Mack
06-26-2021, 02:28 PM
As far as a general recommendation for laundering we would say that based on the construction and how the fill is layered on the interior of the pillow that hand wash in cool water with a mild soap would be best. Let it air dry and allow it to dry completely before use.

If you want to machine wash the pillows they should be fine, I would just wash them like any other pillow (use a gentle wash cycle and either air-dry or dry on low). You will probably need to re-fluff the pillow before using again.

EVP
06-26-2021, 08:42 PM
Ordered looking forward to giving it a go.

Also Mack, thanks for making your website easy to navigate and use. Checkout and payment is always super easy and quick, wish more people ran their website stores like yours.

Gun Mutt
06-27-2021, 07:55 AM
Ordered looking forward to giving it a go.

Also Mack, thanks for making your website easy to navigate and use. Checkout and payment is always super easy and quick, wish more people ran their website stores like yours.

Ditto...ordered yesterday (Saturday, mind you) and noticed I had a shipping notification before the day was out.
Can't wait to try it!

WobblyPossum
06-27-2021, 01:41 PM
Iíve been wearing one on a Tenicor Certum 3 holster for the last day or so. Itís definitely more comfortable than the foam wedge but it doesnít provide as much grip tuck. I think I would really like a slightly thicker one. Iíll give it a try on a DSG Orion to see if it makes a concealment difference with a different holster.

Mack
06-27-2021, 02:12 PM
We have had a ton of requests for a flat/pad ACP and we are happy to say that it is now available.

https://www.mastermindtactics.com/shop/acp-p

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Balisong
06-28-2021, 10:31 AM
I'm looking forward to trying mine. Apparently USPS is fond of them cuz they've been playing with mine for the last week :rolleyes:
Supposedly they're out for delivery today though!

blues
06-30-2021, 03:53 PM
Mastermind Day: Vintage Mastermind Holster, ACP and Low-Pro Mag Pouch. Comfortable for the trip to town and market today.

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BobLoblaw
07-01-2021, 06:51 AM
Huge fan of this new offering. I'll grab the foam if I need more tuck but without question, the pillow is more comfortable.

Considering getting some adhesive-free loop-side Velcro to avoid pulling threads in the wash.

GearFondler
07-01-2021, 02:00 PM
Considering getting some adhesive-free loop-side Velcro to avoid pulling threads in the wash.

If you already have some adhesive loop velcro just stick it onto some spare cloth first.

MGW
07-01-2021, 03:24 PM
I ordered two of the original pillow wedges and I really like them. Since they won't be regularly stocked I'll likely order a couple more in the future to have spares.

Mack
07-03-2021, 10:44 AM
Thanks again to everyone for the support and feedback we really appreciate it and we are happy to hear that the ACP is working to help provide a more comfortable AIWB experience!

Mack
07-08-2021, 12:39 PM
We have designed another ACP profile. The King-Size pillow is larger than the standard pillow for those who want grip-tuck levels comparable to a foam wedge with more loft and footprint over the other variations of ACP.

https://www.mastermindtactics.com/shop/acp-k

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We also have an ACP Variety Pack which comes with one of each profile for those that wish to experiment with all of them or want different shapes for different setups.

https://www.mastermindtactics.com/shop/acp-3pack

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SAWBONES
07-08-2021, 07:16 PM
Just ordered two of the new largest size; the original size pillows are quite good with compact revolvers, but IME some semiauto pistols do require a bit more forward protrusion of the muzzle (with greater retraction of the butt) for best concealment, and hopefully the larger pillows will provide this.

Thanks Mack!

WobblyPossum
07-08-2021, 07:40 PM
I have found the original size perfect for my Tenicor Velo and Sagax Lux. The built in body contours on those holsters didnít provide enough tuck for me and were slightly uncomfortable sometimes. The pillows add just enough additional tuck and make the holsters more comfortable. I might pick up a couple of the king sized ones down the road for other holsters.

D-der
07-09-2021, 05:08 AM
I've been using the standard size since they became available,
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I've got with my XL, I don't have that issue with the standard
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For me anyway, they're definitely more comfortable than a wedge.

Mack
07-10-2021, 06:31 PM
Thanks again to everyone for the continued support and feedback, we hope that with all of the new ACPs that there will be one that will fit most needs. The King-Size seems to be a big hit so far but like anything it will be user specific. We do think that the majority of users will have good results with the ACP-W.

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GearFondler
07-10-2021, 09:32 PM
The King Size looks like it may play well with WML holsters.

Blades
07-11-2021, 09:39 AM
We have designed another ACP profile. The King-Size pillow is larger than the standard pillow for those who want grip-tuck levels comparable to a foam wedge with more loft and footprint over the other variations of ACP.





The King Size looks like it may play well with WML holsters.

Ordering one now to try with my WML holster. I bought some yoga blocks and cut one up but that was as far as I got. :) The King-size pillow may save me some work.

Blades
07-12-2021, 03:49 PM
I ordered a King-size pillow Sunday morning and by Sunday night it was shipped!
Great customer service!!

Mack
07-14-2021, 02:57 PM
I ordered a King-size pillow Sunday morning and by Sunday night it was shipped!
Great customer service!!

Thanks for the support, we appreciate it and hope the new King Size ACP serves you well!

blues
07-14-2021, 03:15 PM
Wearing mine (standard size) with a G19 sized JMCK "George" today...with my trusty G26.

While it doesn't quite tuck the grip and slide as well as my Mastermind wedges, it's pretty close, and if there is any printing it is very minimal.

I will say that Mastermind's various foam wedges have always been comfortable for me with a variety of holsters, (and different wedge sizes), but the pillow removes the vestige of a hot spot that even a well designed wedge doesn't seem to completely eliminate.

Nice thing is that I can swap if and when called for. Options are good.

SAWBONES
07-16-2021, 07:03 PM
Just a commendation to Mastermind for offering the King-Size ACP.

I got two of them, and find that they do everything, without exception, that even the thickest foam wedge does as regards tilting the rear of the (semiautomatic) pistol backward to aid concealment, only better, and with greater comfort, than any foam material.

I ordered two more.

Blades
07-16-2021, 08:18 PM
Just a commendation to Mastermind for offering the King-Size ACP.

I got two of them, and find that they do everything, without exception, that even the thickest foam wedge does as regards tilting the rear of the (semiautomatic) pistol backward to aid concealment, only better, and with greater comfort, than any foam material.

I ordered two more.

Good to know. I bought some yoga blocks and chopped one up to make a wedge but didn't finish it because Mastermind released the King-size pillow. I'm hoping the King-size pillow does the trick. The tracking number shows it arriving tomorrow. :)

Balisong
07-16-2021, 09:55 PM
I've only got a handful of hours with the standard pillow, and finding it very comfortable, but would like more tuck so I'm going to be ordering a king size very soon.

backtrail540
07-17-2021, 04:52 PM
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I was skeptical that even the king size would not be able to add enough tuck. Today was the first day live and dry and i was gladly proven wrong so far. It and the pouch pair fantastically with an enigma and the level had exceeded expectation. Granted it's day one and honeymoon phase is still in play, but it is a promising combination.

Blades
07-17-2021, 07:01 PM
An OG pillow compared to its grandson(?):
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So far, so good.

Bolt_Overide
07-18-2021, 01:45 PM
haven't tried the pillow yet, I use the wedges and I cannot recommend them enough. I've tried several other solutions and none of them worked as well as the wedge. Will report back on the pillow after I get one and try it.

Mack
07-23-2021, 01:29 PM
We have had a lot of requests for orange which is not a surprise and we are happy to say that we have a small number of Limited Edition ACPs in a very nice orange colorway. We found a small amount of the same fabric we use for the standard ACPs in orange a bought all of the remaining yardage which was not much, it will make a small number of ACPs and this will be a one time Limited Edition color.

These can be found in our Limited Edition Shop:

https://www.mastermindtactics.com/limited-editions

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Clusterfrack
07-23-2021, 03:50 PM
Iíve used the ACP-w with a Glock 26 in a JMCK AIWB while kayaking (because Portland area waterways look like Mad Max).

I got pretty wet last weekend, and the pillow was still comfortable. It dried quickly.

Mack
07-24-2021, 06:39 PM
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