Defunding the police in Atlanta

[11B10]

This one is classic for many reasons, but my favorite part is the candidate's explanation of why this happened. If this type of thinking wasn't so dangerous, it would be funny.

I know I'M not laughing.




https://www.foxnews.com/us/atlanta-defund-the-police-backer-has-car-stolen-by-kids-in-broad-daylight-reports

[11B10]

Some good news from Texas - we can only pray it is contagious.


I especially liked the words of "Oathkeeper" in the comments.


https://www.policemag.com/608604/texas-legislature-passes-bills-to-prevent-defunding-of-police

[okie john]

This one is classic for many reasons, but my favorite part is the candidate's explanation of why this happened. If this type of thinking wasn't so dangerous, it would be funny.

I know I'M not laughing.




https://www.foxnews.com/us/atlanta-defund-the-police-backer-has-car-stolen-by-kids-in-broad-daylight-reports

The Darwin is strong in everyone involved with this incident.


Okie John

[DDTSGM]

This one is classic for many reasons, but my favorite part is the candidate's explanation of why this happened. If this type of thinking wasn't so dangerous, it would be funny.

I know I'M not laughing.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/atlanta-defund-the-police-backer-has-car-stolen-by-kids-in-broad-daylight-reports

Brown doesn't plan on filing charges against the kids, who he says acted out of desperation, Atlanta's WSB-TV reported.

"This is a generational poverty issue. These kids, it’s 12:30 in the afternoon. Why aren’t they in school? Why aren’t we enforcing systems to ensure that if they are not in school, they’re in recreational centers?" he said.

Hey, Dumbshit: We are well aware of the impact that poverty and single parent families can have on school attendance and, in turn, crime.

What do you propose to do to make them go to school? I'm talking about getting them there physically. Are you going to have a corps of pick up people, to physically take them?

Is school even in session in Detroit?

What systems are actually in place for us to enforce that ensures that if they are not in school they are in a recreation center? And do you really think that forcing kids to go to rec centers is the answer? Ever heard of civil liberties? Who pays for recreation centers for all, as I'm sure there aren't enough fully-staffed centers in your city to handle these kids from 1st Grade through High School?

Maybe Atlanta should form into kibbutzes like the Zionists original did in Israel, and take the kids from the parents to be raised by the kibbutz.

Based on your statements, it sounds like defunding the police is the best way to accomplish your socialist utopia. Dumbass.

[OlongJohnson]

His opponent needs to put up a bunch of posters with his picture that say, "Dude, where's my car?"

[Wondering Beard]

I had wondered how this guy could afford a Mercedes.

Now I know: Atlanta Councilman Antonio Brown indicted on federal fraud charges (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/atlanta-councilman-antonio-brown-indicted-on-federal-fraud-charges/ar-BB17lpHS)

[Wise_A]

What systems are actually in place for us to enforce that ensures that if they are not in school they are in a recreation center? And do you really think that forcing kids to go to rec centers is the answer? Ever heard of civil liberties? Who pays for recreation centers for all, as I'm sure there aren't enough fully-staffed centers in your city to handle these kids from 1st Grade through High School?

You're missing the tiger in the grass. It's not the civil liberties, or the tax money, or any of that. It's that he's promoting government being in charge of raising children. All children. And I'd point out to him that juvenile delinquency exists because people don't have the luxury of jobs that allow them to be there to raise their kids. Cities have become so inhospitable to normal folk--the schools as well as general law enforcement--that nobody with any economic mobility wants to live there. They'd rather spend 1-2 hours a day driving, which in turn moves the businesses that they frequent out to the suburbs and prevents folks stuck in the city from having any economic freedom.

I find it extremely frustrating to hear people talk about whatever the latest "omigod the cops did whuuuut, he/she was only 14", and then turn around and dispatch a couple cops to handle a verbal domestic between a parent and a 13-year-old. It's one of two calltypes I'm sick of handling, and the other one is "I Saw A Black Guy".

[Wheeler]

Antonio Brown is a socialist tool...

[Oldherkpilot]

Antonio Brown is a socialist tool...

And, from the looks of it, not a particularly sharp one.

[Mark D]

He wants to defunding the police, and also "enforce" kids to be at certain locations. The cognitive dissonance is staggering.

[DDTSGM]

You're missing the tiger in the grass. It's not the civil liberties, or the tax money, or any of that. It's that he's promoting government being in charge of raising children. All children. And I'd point out to him that juvenile delinquency exists because people don't have the luxury of jobs that allow them to be there to raise their kids. Cities have become so inhospitable to normal folk--the schools as well as general law enforcement--that nobody with any economic mobility wants to live there. They'd rather spend 1-2 hours a day driving, which in turn moves the businesses that they frequent out to the suburbs and prevents folks stuck in the city from having any economic freedom.

I find it extremely frustrating to hear people talk about whatever the latest "omigod the cops did whuuuut, he/she was only 14", and then turn around and dispatch a couple cops to handle a verbal domestic between a parent and a 13-year-old. It's one of two calltypes I'm sick of handling, and the other one is "I Saw A Black Guy".

we are singing in the same choir. i was referencing the he's promoting government being in charge of raising children. All children when i mentioned the Zionist kibbutz lifestyle and civil liberties.

I do believe it takes a village to raise kids. A village that's willing to snatch up miscreants and hold them for the police, or take them home to dad. A village that is willing to talk with each other about their kids and help each other out. A village that's elders are willing to invest in the kids by coaching, teaching sports, camping and industrial skills.

Hmm. kind of like LaCrosse Kansas, where I started out, and the neighborhoods I Lived in in Lincoln, NE. That was probably done in the mid - 70's.

[RoyGBiv]

Didn't want to start a new thread.... @blues (https://pistol-forum.com/member.php?u=13538)

‘Staffing Crisis’: Shrinking Police Force Will No Longer Respond To Some Crimes In Liberal NC City That Cut Funding (https://www.dailywire.com/news/staffing-crisis-shrinking-police-force-will-no-longer-respond-to-some-crimes-in-liberal-nc-city-that-cut-funding)


The Asheville Police Department (APD) on Wednesday announced a list of crimes and services they are no longer equipped to address, such as some forms of theft and assault, according to local outlet WLOS (https://wlos.com/news/local/change-in-asheville-policing-strategies-met-with-questions-understanding-concern).

In a Wednesday press release, the APD explained they have lost 84 officers since January 1, 2020, which is a devastating number for a force that employs just 219 people (https://twitter.com/PeteKaliner/status/1400408225531506688).




Theft under $1,000 where there is no suspect information (this does not include stolen vehicles or guns)
Theft from a vehicle where there is no suspect information
Minimal damage and/or graffiti to property where there is no suspect information
Non-life-threatening harassing phone calls (does not include incidents that are related to domestic violence and/or stalking)
Fraud, scams, or identity theft
Simple assaults that are reported after they have occurred
Reports that do not require immediate police actions and/or enforcement (information only reports)
Funeral escorts
Lost/found property
Trespassing where the property owner does not want to press charges

[blues]

RoyGBiv

Sounds like utopia to me. (Praise the heavens that I don't live there.)

[Shotgun]

Didn't want to start a new thread.... @blues (https://pistol-forum.com/member.php?u=13538)

‘Staffing Crisis’: Shrinking Police Force Will No Longer Respond To Some Crimes In Liberal NC City That Cut Funding (https://www.dailywire.com/news/staffing-crisis-shrinking-police-force-will-no-longer-respond-to-some-crimes-in-liberal-nc-city-that-cut-funding)


RoyGBiv

Sounds like utopia to me. (Praise the heavens that I don't live there.)

Wow. Here is another similar article regarding the San Francisco DA's refusal to prosecute. Crime is exploding, and even in liberal San Fran there is a push to recall him.

https://unherd.com/2021/06/san-franciscos-progressive-nightmare/

[jh9]

Wow. Here is another similar article regarding the San Francisco DA's refusal to prosecute. Crime is exploding, and even in liberal San Fran there is a push to recall him.

https://unherd.com/2021/06/san-franciscos-progressive-nightmare/

Doesn't cite its sources for that data. This is AFAIK straight from the horse's mouth: https://www.sanfranciscopolice.org/stay-safe/crime-data/crime-dashboard YTD 2021. The 2020/2019 comparison wasn't all that different.

I don't see an "explosion" in that data. Which is not to be interpreted as any sort of approval for Boudin... but according to the SF Gate his supporters are raising more money than his detractors in the recall so I wouldn't call that recall a done deal.

I'm sure the bay area posters can provide their first hand opinion on the matter.

[SCCY Marshal]

"Theft under $1,000 where there is no suspect information"

So, take peanuts from the rich but two weeks to a month's livelihood from actual labor, tough beans unless you saw the perp. Take something worth more than the average person even owns, be in your gated community lickety split for an after-fact investigation. Because leftism is about making empty lip service toward the proletariat while entrenching the power of the upper classes because feudalism never died, it just got a new name...I mean, equity.

[Shotgun]

"Theft under $1,000 where there is no suspect information"

Dallas DA has taken a similar position.
"Theft of Necessary Items Study after study shows that when we arrest, jail, and convict people for non-violent crimes committed out of necessity, we only prevent that
person from gaining the stability necessary to lead a law-abiding life. Criminalizing poverty is counter-productive for our community's health and safety. For that reason, this
office will not prosecute theft of personal items less than $750 unless the evidence shows that the alleged theft was for economic gain."

[RoyGBiv]

@RoyGBiv (https://pistol-forum.com/member.php?u=2513)

Sounds like utopia to me. (Praise the heavens that I don't live there.)

I'm afraid the NC I loved will not resemble the NC I left, when I return in a few years. Even Coach K is moving on.

[Jim Watson]

Dallas DA has taken a similar position.
"Theft of Necessary Items Study after study shows that when we arrest, jail, and convict people for non-violent crimes committed out of necessity, we only prevent that
person from gaining the stability necessary to lead a law-abiding life. Criminalizing poverty is counter-productive for our community's health and safety. For that reason, this
office will not prosecute theft of personal items less than $750 unless the evidence shows that the alleged theft was for economic gain."

This implies that there will be investigation to determine the disposition of stolen goods.
Let us say that Joe Mope steals my watch and is shown definitely to have done so.
If he wears it so he gets to his low paying job, that is ok; but if he sells it to buy booze it is not, right?
OK, in the first case, what if I locate him and steal my watch back? What does the DA have for me?
In the second case, will it be on the pawn shop hot list so I might recover it from there?

[blues]

Is this a great country or what?

[Shotgun]

It is a difficult policy to make sense of.

This implies that there will be investigation to determine the disposition of stolen goods. You would think so, but I doubt that happens. I suspect what really happens is that thefts below $750 are ignored. Shoplifting is a non-crime in Dallas, at least at grocery stores, convenience stores, Target, Walgreens, Wal-Mart, Lowes, Home Depot, etc. You would probably have to know the suspect and where it (politically correct with pronouns) sold the goods, and then take that to the DA before there would be a chance of prosecution. Those stores will just raise prices to offset shoplifting losses, and honest folk pay that price.

Let us say that Joe Mope steals my watch and is shown definitely to have done so.
If he wears it so he gets to his low paying job, that is ok; but if he sells it to buy booze it is not, right?

Wait a second, are you trying to apply logic to this policy?

OK, in the first case, what if I locate him and steal my watch back? What does the DA have for me? The DA may have a prosecution waiting for you because your watch was not a necessity to you.... Your watch was a necessity to the thief, but not to you.

In the second case, will it be on the pawn shop hot list so I might recover it from there? I doubt any item below the threshold gets any attention.

[Lex Luthier]

Sounds like we've all got a ringside seat for the beginning of The War of All Against All.

[blues]

Free stuff!!!

The only person who will get into trouble is the one who doesn't give up their stuff willingly. Woe unto the person that resists...especially with force.

This is the pinnacle of civilization.

Rejoice!

[Shotgun]

Free stuff!!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvgN5gCuLac

[DC_P]

Dallas DA has taken a similar position.
"Theft of Necessary Items Study after study shows that when we arrest, jail, and convict people for non-violent crimes committed out of necessity, we only prevent that
person from gaining the stability necessary to lead a law-abiding life. Criminalizing poverty is counter-productive for our community's health and safety. For that reason, this
office will not prosecute theft of personal items less than $750 unless the evidence shows that the alleged theft was for economic gain."

In other words, if you are poorer than someone you can take what you ‘need’ from them, regardless of any work they may have done to acquire it. Seems fair. I am sure we will one day reach equilibrium, at which point there will be no need for anyone to steal anything.

[Totem Polar]

Somebody wake me up when Jeff Bezos is legally required to buy me a new Harley-Davidson Street Glide Special. Until then, I’ll sit back and watch shit burn from a distance.

[Ichiban]

Somebody wake me up when Jeff Bezos is legally required to buy me a new Harley-Davidson Street Glide Special. Until then, I’ll sit back and watch shit burn from a distance.

Which, of course, took my brain here. :- )

Electra Glide in Blue (1973)
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0070022/?ref_=vp_vi_tt