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Savage Hands
05-06-2021, 07:46 PM
Unfortunately California sets trends for the country if you haven’t noticed :mad:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1695440
https://a45.asmdc.org/press-releases/20210323-legislators-announce-measure-require-microstamping-technology-law

Legislators Announce Measure to Require Microstamping Technology in Law Enforcement Handguns



First-in-the-Nation Legislation Would Overcome Gun Industry Obstinance and Mark A Major Step Forward In the Adoption of Microstamping Technology; Would Increase Accountability and Transparency in Officer-Involved Shootings


SACRAMENTO, CA — In collaboration with Team ENOUGH and the Brady Campaign, Assemblymember Jesse Gabriel (D - Woodland Hills) announced new legislation today that would make California the first state in the nation to require firearms used by law enforcement to include microstamping technology.

The measure, Assembly Bill (AB) 876, would build on the landmark Unsafe Handgun Act (UHA) and mark a major step forward in the effort to require firearms manufacturers to incorporate microstamping technology, which has long been a top priority for gun violence prevention advocates. Importantly, microstamping technology imprints unique markings—known as micro stamps—onto individual firearms as well as discharged bullet casings, thereby allowing law enforcement to connect fired casings to a particular firearm.

“For too long, gun manufacturers have prioritized ideology over safety and fought commonsense efforts to incorporate microstamping technology into new firearms,” said Assemblymember Jesse Gabriel (D - Woodland Hills), Co-Founder of the Legislature’s Gun Violence Prevention Working Group. “Our legislation will allow California to use its market power to overcome this obstinance and dramatically expand the use of this important technology. In so doing, we’ll create new markets for microstamped guns, help law enforcement solve violent crimes, ensure our police are equipped with better and safer firearms, and bring more accountability and transparency to situations where there has been an officer-involved shooting.”

"Microstamping is a commonsense, crime-solving tool," said Assemblymember David Chiu (D-San Francisco). "I am proud to coauthor this effort to ensure this important technology is implemented across the board in California."

First enacted in 1999, the UHA was updated in 2007 to require all new semiautomatic pistols to incorporate microstamping technology. In an effort to evade the UHA’s requirements, the gun industry has not introduced any new handgun models (https://www.latimes.com/local/la-me-guns-microstamping-20140124-story.html) into the California market since 2007. Law enforcement officers are also currently allowed to purchase firearms exempt from the UHA for use in official duties.

Microstamping technology is reliable, feasible, inexpensive, and valuable to criminal investigations, especially as the rate of unsolved firearm assaults and homicides (https://www.thetrace.org/2019/01/gun-murder-solve-rate-understaffed-police-data-analysis/) has increased over the past 40 years. Requiring law enforcement officers to use microstamped handguns will create a sizable new market for microstamping and encourage gun manufacturers across the country to finally adopt this innovative technology. At a time of growing calls for police reform, this legislation also would provide additional transparency in situations where there has been an officer-involved shooting.

“California has consistently led in implementing cutting-edge and evidence-based gun violence prevention policies. As the first state in the nation to pass a law requiring microstamping technology on newly introduced firearms, California can again lead by ensuring that this requirement extends to its law enforcement,” shared the Team ENOUGH Executive Council (https://www.teamenough.org/executive-council), a youth-led initiative of Brady. “The California Legislature continues to lead in the effort to prevent gun violence, but there is more work to be done. Team ENOUGH urges the legislature to swiftly pass AB 876 and thanks Assemblymember Gabriel for leading on this bill.”

“Californians continue to demand solutions to not only prevent gun violence but to ensure that the state has every resource available when working to heal communities where violence has occurred,” said Brady President Kris Brown. “This bill will help California ensure that law enforcement not only has the latest technology available to help solve crimes but applies that same technology to officer-involved incidents. This level of transparency and accountability is necessary to ensure the highest level of trust between law enforcement and the communities they serve. This is a common-sense bill and Brady is grateful to Assemblymember Gabriel for introducing it.”

JRB
05-06-2021, 07:55 PM
I can't help but feel like that's a roundabout way for them to disarm all LEO's.

Lovely to see them call it 'obstinance' when gun manufacturers don't make something that doesn't technologically exist, let alone to that legislated standard at basically any price.
I suppose the Maryland shell casing database that cost tens of millions of dollars and resulted in exactly ZERO additional convictions is an inconvenient fact as well.

I feel terrible for the good people still in California.

OlongJohnson
05-06-2021, 08:06 PM
Remember what Kamala did.

Hot Sauce
05-06-2021, 09:22 PM
Microstamping technology is reliable, feasible, inexpensive, and valuable to criminal investigations?

Savage Hands
05-06-2021, 09:26 PM
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It’s bullshit…

OlongJohnson
05-06-2021, 09:33 PM
This is absolutely perverse:


In an effort to evade the UHA’s requirements, the gun industry has not introduced any new handgun models into the California market since 2007.

The gun industry has not introduced any new handgun models into the California market since 2007 because microstamping doesn't exist. California prevents the gun industry from introducing any new handgun models. Kamala Harris when she was A.G. simply declared by executive fiat that microstamping did exist, and thereby under the 1999 legislation no new handgun could be approved for sale without it. The UHA's requirements can't practically be met, but it's the gun industry seeking to evade them that chooses not to offer its latest and greatest to one of the largest markets in the country.

Rick R
05-07-2021, 09:24 AM
I’ve said that if all the gun industry pulled a Barrett and refused to sell to anybody in or connected to California this would resolve itself.

JRB
05-07-2021, 09:41 AM
I’ve said that if all the gun industry pulled a Barrett and refused to sell to anybody in or connected to California this would resolve itself.

In fairness, if they pulled a 'Barrett' they'd be selling to LE/Gov only what was legal for civilians. Barrett could get away with that as a manufacturer because their guns are very specific and unique.

I love the idea of making Cali's bigger LE and gov agencies scramble to find any guns they could, but I don't see a way to do it without fucking all of the regular folks in Cali in addition to a lot of LEO's that deserve to carry a standard capacity modern handgun.

Suvorov
05-07-2021, 10:14 AM
I have mixed feelings here. I abhor any attempts of the State to push “unicorn” gun control schemes as well any further coercion to force industry to comply with stupid fantasy technology (which many Cali politicians have financial interest in).

That said the California LE agencies and unions were all to happy to endorse the “Handgun Roster” and subsequent micro stamping add ons as long as they were “exempt” from the effects. Well the dragon is no longer happy with the sacrifice of the occasional virgin and is now looking hungrily at them. Perhaps the next generation of Cali LE guns will have 10rnd magazines and fin grips?

There is no saving this state (not even Katlyn Jenner can save us 🤣 ) and it is time for all freedom loving people to leave and let the remaining people destroy themselves. Then our future generations can reclaim the glory that is this state’s beauty from the Eoli and Morlock inhabitants.

Suvorov
05-07-2021, 10:23 AM
Remember what Kamala did.

Yes, but let’s not forget that it was this guy who signed the bill into law;

71147

Savage Hands
05-07-2021, 10:36 AM
I’ve said that if all the gun industry pulled a Barrett and refused to sell to anybody in or connected to California this would resolve itself.


It's nice in theory, but that would mean that most would just go through distribution instead of being direct and just cost more money. It would solve nothing, just like this bill.

Savage Hands
05-07-2021, 10:38 AM
I have mixed feelings here. I abhor any attempts of the State to push “unicorn” gun control schemes as well any further coercion to force industry to comply with stupid fantasy technology (which many Cali politicians have financial interest in).

That said the California LE agencies and unions were all to happy to endorse the “Handgun Roster” and subsequent micro stamping add ones as long as they were “exempt” from the effects. Well now the dragon is no longer happy with the sacrifice of the occasional virgin and is now looking hungrily at them. Perhaps the next generation of Cali LE guns will have 10rnd magazines and fin grips?

There is no saving this state (not even Katlyn Jenner can save us 🤣 ) and it is time for all freedom loving people to leave and let the remaining people destroy themselves. Then our future generations can reclaim the glory that is this state’s beauty from the Eoli and Morlock inhabitants.


This shit would have never gotten this far if it wasn't for the union or lobbyists carving out exemptions...

GyroF-16
05-07-2021, 10:42 AM
This seems like a clear example of the government overestimating it’s own power and importance.
The California government clearly can’t control the business decisions of gunmakers that operate outside the borders of CA.
They just haven’t grasped that their economic power is not sufficient to compel private industry to do their bidding.
I’m fine with it - give it some time and they’ll eventually realize that Sacramento is not King’s Landing, and their edicts are not automatically obeyed throughout the land.

olstyn
05-07-2021, 11:11 AM
This shit would have never gotten this far if it wasn't for the union or lobbyists carving out exemptions...

Some animals are more equal. :(

45dotACP
05-07-2021, 11:45 AM
There is no saving this state (not even Katlyn Jenner can save us 🤣 ) and it is time for all freedom loving people to leave and let the remaining people destroy themselves. Then our future generations can reclaim the glory that is this state’s beauty from the Eoli and Morlock inhabitants.

As a fellow occupant of a liberal stronghold, I hope we can do the same for IL, but the shittiness of the state has pushed the liberals out too. For us, it pushes them into Iowa, Indiana, Kentucky, Wisconsin, and Texas, and for your state, into Texas, Idaho, Wyoming, Montana, Arizona....All this shit you're seeing where you live is coming soon to a state near you. Like driving distance near you.

Many of us on the conservative side may think we can always retreat to the shire of our choosing where corruption and evil shall never reach, but it makes me think of one of my favorite movies....

"The fires of Isengard will spread, and the forests of Tuckbourough and Buckland will burn. And all that was once great and good in this world will be gone. There won't be a Shire, Pippin."

This has been your dour moment, brought to you by your dour conservative. Remember to donate to your state level gun advocacy group and tip the waitresses!

Suvorov
05-07-2021, 12:10 PM
As a fellow occupant of a liberal stronghold, I hope we can do the same for IL, but the shittiness of the state has pushed the liberals out too. For us, it pushes them into Iowa, Indiana, Kentucky, Wisconsin, and Texas, and for your state, into Texas, Idaho, Wyoming, Montana, Arizona....All this shit you're seeing where you live is coming soon to a state near you. Like driving distance near you.

Many of us on the conservative side may think we can always retreat to the shire of our choosing where corruption and evil shall never reach, but it makes me think of one of my favorite movies....

"The fires of Isengard will spread, and the forests of Tuckbourough and Buckland will burn. And all that was once great and good in this world will be gone. There won't be a Shire, Pippin."

This has been your dour moment, brought to you by your dour conservative. Remember to donate to your state level gun advocacy group and tip the waitresses!

Agreed, I’ve heard all these arguments and I have thought them as well which is why I still reside in this state, but there comes a time where every good general knows it is time to retreat and reconsolidate. It wasn’t until the forces of Rohan moved to aid Gondor that Isengard was defeated.

paherne
05-07-2021, 01:53 PM
There's only 90k sworn cops in CA. That's not a big enough market to force this change. I would hope that all firearms manufacturers would tell CA LE to etadik on this one, but some bottom-feeder will realize it's a captive market and score 90k units of a sale. My agency will be good for several years as we're getting Gen5 MOS this July.

Rick R
05-07-2021, 03:44 PM
In fairness, if they pulled a 'Barrett' they'd be selling to LE/Gov only what was legal for civilians. Barrett could get away with that as a manufacturer because their guns are very specific and unique.

I love the idea of making Cali's bigger LE and gov agencies scramble to find any guns they could, but I don't see a way to do it without fucking all of the regular folks in Cali in addition to a lot of LEO's that deserve to carry a standard capacity modern handgun.

Those people are already eF’d because of where they live. If the agents of the government that passes these laws and the security for celebrities who support them can’t source guns and ammunition (hell, make it hard for Hollywood to buy guns/ammo from Free America) then maybe learning will occur. Stupidity is supposed to hurt.



It's nice in theory, but that would mean that most would just go through distribution instead of being direct and just cost more money. It would solve nothing, just like this bill.

Not if “distribution” is included in my concept of “gun industry”. No sales to distributors who sell to anti-2A areas.

Savage Hands
05-07-2021, 03:54 PM
Those people are already eF’d because of where they live. If the agents of the government that passes these laws and the security for celebrities can’t source guns and ammunition (hell, make it hard for Hollywood to buy guns/ammo from Free America) then maybe learning will occur. Stupidity is supposed to hurt.




Not if “distribution” is included in my concept of “gun industry”. No sales to distributors who sell to anti-2A areas.


But that's not what really happened to Barrett, plenty is still actually sold here through distribution.
https://www.turners.com/barrett/barrett-m82a1-416-barrett,-man-475873
https://wbtguns.com/california-legal-barrett/

What Barrett did is Virtue Signaling IMO

Rick R
05-07-2021, 04:02 PM
But that's not what really happened to Barrett, plenty is still actually sold here through distribution.
https://www.turners.com/barrett/barrett-m82a1-416-barrett,-man-475873
https://wbtguns.com/california-legal-barrett/

What Barrett did is Virtue Signaling IMO

What Barrett did is better than bending over and asking “may I have another please?”. If there was an industry wide agreement to quit feeding the bear then maybe the bear will starve. Or more likely go buy guns from China...

Suvorov
05-07-2021, 04:03 PM
But that's not what really happened to Barrett, plenty is still actually sold here through distribution.
https://www.turners.com/barrett/barrett-m82a1-416-barrett,-man-475873
https://wbtguns.com/california-legal-barrett/

What Barrett did is Virtue Signaling IMO

The same with Knights who wouldn’t even sell their SR15 uppers here.

Savage Hands
05-07-2021, 04:12 PM
The same with Knights who wouldn’t even sell their SR15 uppers here.

Sr15 and SR25 lowers are banned by name thanks to CA politicians Apendix B AR series. https://www.calguns.net/caawid/flowchart.pdf

But KAC does sell the SR30 lowers, SR15 and SR25 uppers direct to dealers as my buddy has bought a few.

Suvorov
05-07-2021, 06:57 PM
Sr15 and SR25 lowers are banned by name thanks to CA politicians Apendix B AR series. https://www.calguns.net/caawid/flowchart.pdf

But KAC does sell the SR30 lowers, SR15 and SR25 uppers direct to dealers as my buddy has bought a few.

He must have changed his policy - back around 2010 they would only ship to my Houston address and refused to ship to my California address.