Condition Red 1 Day Medical - Human Cadaver Lab - Fri, Apr 30, 2021 - BOSTON, MA

[30 cal slut]

Hey guys - I'm just passing this on as an ... interesting ... training opportunity.

I'm signed up as a paid student.

This is a hands-on medical class with actual (deceased) human bodies.

This is unique opportunity to get as real-world as you can (safely) in a clinical setting under the instruction of a pro who trains USAF Pararescue and US Navy SEAL medics.

I'm told this is being held at cost (cadavers are expensive). This is also comparably cheaper than a live tissue lab.

For some (like myself) the class can also serve as stress inoculation.

-You'll learn how to control bleeds with red dye being pumped through blood vessels
-Ever wanted to do a needle decompression for tension pneumothorax?
-A cric airway?
-An I/O access when you can't find a blood vessel to place an IV?

Here's your opportunity.

In this class there will be no limitations on what can be done with the cadavers for educational purposes.

It will be very dynamic in that regard (severed limbs, maybe even burns etc)

Come with a strong stomach.

It is a zero round count class. Just show up.

Photos and video will be permitted, with some limitations out of respect to the donors and their families.

https://www.conditionredinc.com/event/human-cadaver-lab/

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Chris van Houten
Condition Red, Inc

Human Cadaver Lab
Friday, April 30 (9 am to 5 pm with a break for lunch)
Boston, MA

This is a hands-on medical course - but not your ordinary medical course.

Human cadaver lab.

Skills include:

tourniquet application
wound packing
junctional hemorrhage control
oropharangeal airway
nasopharangeal airway
king airway
eti
surgical cric
needle decompression
finger thoracostomy
chest tube insertion
gross anatomy
intraosseous access
and more.

Signup:

https://go.thryv.com/site/k8vqg3hwvkm7pmm6/online-scheduling?event=2mlwycrsyx1fxkqo

The instructor can be reached by text and e-mail:

Text message:
631-626-5352

Email:
chris@conditionred.us

[30 cal slut]

i believe this is the first time this particular class is going open enrollment.

if you have a facility that can host this type of training - please get in touch with the instructor - he may be able to come to you.

[Paul D]

For $600, that would be a great experience. Learning to do procedures on dummies is not the same as doing it on the real thing. Anatomy, tissue resistance to punctures, etc: it's not the same. When I train nurses on hold pressure on femoral arteriotomy sites, they find out quick how much technique and nuances of the body really count. A surgery colleague of mine trained on using robotic surgery equipment on live pigs that were intubated on the vent! She said it was way more valuable to work on a live subject than a computer simulation or mockup using sliced American cheese as tissue.

[Totem Polar]

‘With a break for lunch’

Yeah, right. :p

Looks like a *great* class though!

[BN]

Interesting.

I've donated my body to science. I'm also an organ donor, but I expect most everything will be worn out by the time I'm done.

[30 cal slut]

‘With a break for lunch’

Yeah, right. :p

Looks like a *great* class though!

Yeah, I think I'm gonna jam a big breakfast and try to hold onto it.

I'm told lunch is right around the corner in Boston Chinatown. :p

[30 cal slut]

Gonna be an interesting AAR.

Do I post pics and vid?

[John Murphy]

A gut-check class. Literally.

[Dr_Thanatos]

‘With a break for lunch’

Yeah, right. :p

Looks like a *great* class though!

Lunch is the best part of my day!

What? I get hungry when I'm working...

It's an interesting class. I wonder how they got permission from the decedent's families. This type of educational activity is not usually covered under body donation. By maybe MA has different laws.

[30 cal slut]

Lunch is the best part of my day!

What? I get hungry when I'm working...

It's an interesting class. I wonder how they got permission from the decedent's families. This type of educational activity is not usually covered under body donation. By maybe MA has different laws.

:p:)

[LJP]

This is interesting to see offered, and I’m curious if it will sell to the civilian crowd. I’ve had the benefit of a cadaver lab in years past, and it is indeed invaluable for understanding anatomy and physiology and for practicing invasive procedures. As an interesting historical footnote, this guy (http://https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Reid) cut up our body when I was in medic school, obviously before he was arrested! The body shop at UCLA was a sight to see, and something that I will likely never fully forget.

[Balisong]

What an amazing opportunity for some top notch emergency medical training!! If I ever have this type of chance and I can swing it I would jump at it.

[30 cal slut]

Ok.

I survived the class.

It was incredible ... and humbling at the same time.

I kept down my breakfast, and managed to have lunch.

It wasn't as bad as I expected.

The lab was connected to a "clean room" (classroom) equipped with a stocked kitchenette.

We had to walk into the lab first, then into the classroom.

Our lab tech for the day was a very nice fellow and bought us bagels and coffee.

Kinda weird partaking in a life-affirming morning ritual not 20 feet away from the cadavers.

I will post an AAR - lots of pics and video - but I have to learn how to blur faces and other sensitive areas in videos - something I have never done before.

Then I have to figure out if it's something that I can post without stressing too many people out. It is not for the squeamish.

I'll give you a rundown of what we did.

Intro - very brief classroom session - overview of approach to TECC/TCCC. This was a battlefield medicine class previously only offered to .mil. This was the first open enrollment session as far as I know.

a) bleeding - tourniquets
b) bleeding - wound packing
c) bleeding - direct pressure
d) lunch break (1 hour)
e) non-surgical airways (npa, opa, king airway)

the king airway was not possible to demo because of the rigor mortis. the jaw is the first place to get rigor - starting 20 minutes after death.

f) surgical airway (crich) - this was actually very easy to do but you have to make incisions in the right place and stick your finger in a hole you made in the throat and cricothyroid membrane
g) needle decompression for tension pneumothorax - there are two places to do this - you need to palpate ribs
h) finger thoracostomy - easy in practice, but you have to make an incision in the right place and stick your finger in between the ribs and into the chest cavity
i) chest tube
j) emergency field amputation of limbs using 3 different techniques - scalpel/bone saw combo, scalpel/wire saw combo, or duct tape and sawzall (again, this is a military application). I performed the sawzall and it got a little messy.
k) anatomy of thoracic cavity (heart, lungs).

anyways, i have to carefully put together an AAR that involves a bit more work than I am used to.

stay tuned.

[30 cal slut]

I do want to pass on one thing that is extremely important to mention

Be careful where you buy your tourniquets from.

Chris deliberately included some fake CAT-T's purchased on Amazon.

Once we got the bleeding machine going (embalming pump) and doing arterial cuts ...

Some of the bleeds were gushing (the femoral - holy crap) and you had maybe less than a minute to apply a TQ before very bad things happened.

In the midst of applying a fake tourniquet ... it broke. And there may not have been enough time to apply a new one.

I have video footage and will clean it up - but I think that's one takeaway. Know your vendors. Buy from reputable sources like North American Rescue.

The other thing - it's nice if you carry a tourniquet with you all the time.

Carry TWO.

We worked on femoral bleeds where one wasn't enough.

Same applies to needle decompression - carry two needles.

Crazy, I know.

More to come later.

[ST911]

Cadaver labs are excellent learning, and open enrollment ones rare.


I kept down my breakfast, and managed to have lunch.
It wasn't as bad as I expected.
The lab was connected to a "clean room" (classroom) equipped with a stocked kitchenette.
We had to walk into the lab first, then into the classroom.
Our lab tech for the day was a very nice fellow and bought us bagels and coffee.
Kinda weird partaking in a life-affirming morning ritual not 20 feet away from the cadavers.


When attending autopsies or labs, I was almost always hungry afterward. Reportedly quite normal, and explained as a remnant of our inner-caveman. Maybe Dr_Thanatos can explain it more science-like.

Thanks for the follow-up and AAR on this.

[Balisong]

Thank you for the AAR so far, and I'm looking forward to the full one and video. I was actually going to ask that you do an AAR due to this being one of the most interesting classes I've heard of, so I really appreciate it!

[willie]

Sounds like the specimen was being infused by a Porti Boy embalming pump adjustable for pressure and output.

[Nephrology]

When attending autopsies or labs, I was almost always hungry afterward. Reportedly quite normal, and explained as a remnant of our inner-caveman. Maybe Dr_Thanatos can explain it more science-like.

IIRC it has to do with the effects of the formalin/formaldehyde vapors, if my memories of MS1 aren't too fuzzy yet.

The most disconcerting part about the fixatives was when they would mix with subQ fat and turn into a grease that penetrated right through my two pairs of exam gloves and caused my fingers to go numb. I bought the really thick, expensive puncture-resistant gloves after that.

[Dr_Thanatos]

Cadaver labs are excellent learning, and open enrollment ones rare.



When attending autopsies or labs, I was almost always hungry afterward. Reportedly quite normal, and explained as a remnant of our inner-caveman. Maybe Dr_Thanatos can explain it more science-like.

Thanks for the follow-up and AAR on this.

Uhh...Thinking hard uses energy? That's all I got. I mean, you are standing up, and (hopefully) looking, seeing and thinking hard. You have some amount of sympathetic stimulation, cause its all new and cool. So, you burn energy.



IIRC it has to do with the effects of the formalin/formaldehyde vapors, if my memories of MS1 aren't too fuzzy yet.

The most disconcerting part about the fixatives was when they would mix with subQ fat and turn into a grease that penetrated right through my two pairs of exam gloves and caused my fingers to go numb. I bought the really thick, expensive puncture-resistant gloves after that.

The fixatives are what put me off food.

Also, layer nitrile with latex. The nitrile does a better job of stopping the organic fixative. I put the nitrile next to skin, and layer the latex over it.

[Nephrology]

Uhh...Thinking hard uses energy? That's all I got. I mean, you are standing up, and (hopefully) looking, seeing and thinking hard. You have some amount of sympathetic stimulation, cause its all new and cool. So, you burn energy.




The fixatives are what put me off food.

Also, layer nitrile with latex. The nitrile does a better job of stopping the organic fixative. I put the nitrile next to skin, and layer the latex over it.

I think the material of the gloves I ended up with was "N-dex." Did the job pretty well, but I still double layered.

I still remember the gross oversized scrubs that I wore for anatomy and how good it felt to throw them in the trash when I was done. Good times.

[MickAK]

Then I have to figure out if it's something that I can post without stressing too many people out. It is not for the squeamish.


Please post what you can, I don't think anyone gets to click on a thread with Human Cadaver Lab in the title and complain about squeamishness. Thanks for the AAR so far.

[30 cal slut]

Please post what you can, I don't think anyone gets to click on a thread with Human Cadaver Lab in the title and complain about squeamishness. Thanks for the AAR so far.

Sorry for the delay guys. I'm putting the finishing touches on a longish AAR - it's quite a bit of work to redact photos and vids to protect the privacy of the donor and his family.

I'm just testing a few features here - so please bear with me.

Testing video embed


https://vimeo.com/557373261

ETA: Vid embed works. Trying to wean myself off of the google/youtube beast.

I'll be putting up the AAR tonight, maybe after I eat dinner. LOL.

[30 cal slut]

AAR is up - thanks for your patience.