Minimalist 2 point AR slings?

[Lex Luthier]

I am needing a sling for the AR-not-6720. It has a 13" VTAC rail and a plain vanilla MOE carbine stock.

Is there any disadvantage to going with something very simple & minimal like a Procter sling? This is a shoot-and-learn-things rifle at this point; I don't expect to be doing anything very demanding or athletic with it.

[Chain]

I just use a piece of webbing and a couple trislides; don't know if that's considered minimalist but it works for me

https://i.imgur.com/onKcp5w.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/4Pkj34N.jpg

[pooty]

i used B-Sling 1" U-Loop
$40 shipped

its lightweight fits every gun. not show in pics in comes with a combat band to keep the sling tidy, and a scrunchie to keep the uloop quiet.
i prefer this cause the quick adjust is in the same place always

[pooty]

https://sobtactical.com/slings/

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2600/7274/products/uloop1_280x420.jpg?v=1577899852

put some heat shrink tube on the uloop cause why not

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[MEH]

I use redi-mag's 2P Tactical Quick Adjustable Sling. $20-$25 depending on width and kitting. Never felt like I needed anything else. Pretty basic.

[David S.]

FWIW, Steve Fisher recommends the Lead Faucet Tactical (https://leadfaucettactical.com/product/lft-sling/) sling or MagPul MS1 sling. (https://magpul.com/catalog/product/view/id/5575/s/ms1-sling/category/52/?mp_global_color=118)

I picked up the LFT.

[RevolverRob]

Mack and Mastermind Tactics just dropped their 2-point sling recently - https://www.mastermindtactics.com/shop/twopointsling - Comes with one QD and then however else you want to configure it. At $29.99 right now, it's a steal, in my opinion, for a quick adjust 2-point. The last Vicker's Sling I bought from BFG was like 75 bucks.

[Cory]

I'll probably be buying another sling soon. I plan to get a Blue Force Gear Vickers Sling.

[Mack]

Mack and Mastermind Tactics just dropped their 2-point sling recently - https://www.mastermindtactics.com/shop/twopointsling - Comes with one QD and then however else you want to configure it. At $29.99 right now, it's a steal, in my opinion, for a quick adjust 2-point. The last Vicker's Sling I bought from BFG was like 75 bucks.

I am biased but our two point sling is pretty awesome. Sling prices in my opinion can get a bit out of control. Our two-point is designed to be affordable for agencies of any size and the normal rifle owner alike. I have attached a link to additional information about the sling and its materials for anyone that may want to learn more about it.

https://www.mastermindtactics.com/resources/two-point-sling

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[Lex Luthier]

Thanks to everyone, so far.

[Grouse870]

https://www.frankproctorshooting.com/proctor-sling/
I like this one.

[Lex Luthier]

https://www.frankproctorshooting.com/proctor-sling/
I like this one.

The Proctor sling I mentioned in the OP is this very one.

[Gadfly]

20 years ago, way back before BFG and VTAC, we went to REI and bought nylon web strap for like $.10-.15 per foot. They sell try glides too. Go buy 30 foot of it, and a few tri glides. Make lots of slings in whatever length you want.

Back in the day... We made our own tac slings for the issued 870, since the uncle Mike’s slings they issued would allow over one shoulder carry, but would not even go across our body when wearing armor. Mounted the slings to the guns using flex cuffs. Less than $5 per sling.

[Grouse870]

Sorry glanced right over that part. It’s a good sling I’ve used it in a few carbine classes and it works. Not a lot to it. It does kinda suck if your rifle is on the heavier side.
Vtac is also a pretty good sling.

[M2CattleCo]

I'll probably be buying another sling soon. I plan to get a Blue Force Gear Vickers Sling.


This is the best answer.

[Wake27]

20 years ago, way back before BFG and VTAC, we went to REI and bought nylon web strap for like $.10-.15 per foot. They sell try glides too. Go buy 30 foot of it, and a few tri glides. Make lots of slings in whatever length you want.

Back in the day... We made our own tac slings for the issued 870, since the uncle Mike’s slings they issued would allow over one shoulder carry, but would not even go across our body when wearing armor. Mounted the slings to the guns using flex cuffs. Less than $5 per sling.

Yeah, that’s all called progress dude. Some sling prices are out of control now a days but the benefit to having a quick adjust is pretty significant given that several designs include it at a decent price.

My favorite is the Redback One sling because it has a sliding piece for your neck that actually ads a lot of comfort.


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[TWR]

I’ve had a few BFG VCAS slings and they were great but minimalist and light weight are important to me so after trying a Proctor sling I now have 6 of them. Haven’t had any issues with any of them.

[HeavyDuty]

I use redi-mag's 2P Tactical Quick Adjustable Sling. $20-$25 depending on width and kitting. Never felt like I needed anything else. Pretty basic.

This. They’ve worked great for me over the years.

[rob_s]

Weird retro/humble-brags aside, there some interesting suggestions in this thread. Some thoughts from my own use of 2-point slings...

I pretty much only like QD socket attachments. Can’t stand strings and not a fan of lacing the webbing though the slots on the stock. Lacing seems “minimal” until you realize it takes 2-3 tri-glides to do it.

Also not a fan of mash hooks or Hk hooks or any of that other crap. I want the QD sockets themselves to be rotation-limited but not rotation-preventing. All of this is because I want some amount of rotation on the sling and webbing, but I don’t want the damn thing getting all twisted up around itself. I also want to be able to easily remove the sling for all kinds of reasons, not the least of which is separating the upper from the lower for cleaning, compact transport, etc.

Most padded slings seem like a good idea at first and then turn out of to be overly bulky and weird. At least one sling recommended in this thread appears to have some sort of wider section with squared corners at the transition from wide to narrow. Nope, nope, nopety, nope. That corner is just going to keep hanging up on stuff. They could at least taper that transition. Note how Haley’s sling tapers the transitions.

https://haleystrategic.com/d3-sling

Don’t get tricked into pliable sling material. You want some stiffness here. Overly pliable material will roll in in itself and distribute the load along a single line rather than along a flat plane. Weight distribution is your friend.

No bungies, stretchiness, etc.

I prefer as few buckles, tri-glides and other do-dads and attachments as possible. They just wind up in the way at some point. One more reason I like QD sockets, and I prefer them to be sewn in.

I’m not gonna lie, I still like a 2-to-1-pint convertible sling. Probably not the new hotness today. But I like a QD socket at the far front end of the forend, one at the barrel nut, one at the castle nut, and one on the ejection port side a the heel of the stock. I like options, and with a decent sling and some thoughtfulness you can have options with next to zero downsides.

I prefer something to grab onto, at least a short tail on the quick-adjust portion. I don’t like a lot of dangling parts and pieces, however. Ive used the Biking Tactics and SOB Tactical slings and they are generally ok but I don’t like that loose tail. I’m pretty high drag and low speed and even I’ve caught those tails on things. I also don’t like pulling on one tail to tighten and another to loosen.
https://www.vikingtactics.com/product-p/vtac-mk1.htm

All of that adds up to the BFG Vickers Push Button still being my favorite. Various folks make parts that you can attach to give you the 2-to-1-point functionality of you want to try it. When someone says “minimalist” I don’t know how you can get much more minimalist than this. One adjustments tri-glide, one quick-adjust slider, and one tri-glide to attach the two halves of the sling, plus two QD sockets. Compare that to the hodge lodge of plastic and shit going on with some of these slings.
https://www.blueforcegear.com/vickers-push-button-slings.html

If the $85 scares you, or you aren’t sure how to want to attach it to the gun, there’s a $45 one that comes without attachment hardware.
https://www.blueforcegear.com/vickers-one-sling

I have a Magpul MS4 on one of my guns now. I like some of it, but there are too many goddamn tri-glides on this thing
https://magpul.com/catalog/product/view/id/5272/s/ms4-dual-qd-sling-gen-2/category/52/?mp_global_color=118

[fatdog]

I am a big fan of the proctor sling for the simplicity. I don't find any issue with "slinging up" and getting a an upper arm loop out of it. Easy and quick to adjust the length to sling the rifle. I was skeptical the first time I saw them, but in use it has been great.

[Gadfly]

Yeah, that’s all called progress dude. Some sling prices are out of control now a days but the benefit to having a quick adjust is pretty significant given that several designs include it at a decent price.

Gee, is that called progress?!? Thank you so much for pointing that out... dude.

FFS, I know that, and I run modern quick adjust slings... dude.
He said minimalist. The second post down from the OP was showing 550 cord attachment points. I was simply sharing a cheap and minimalist alternative... dude.

[Bigghoss]

I have gotten by with a combination of paracord and the plain carrying straps that get issued with rifles but anymore I really like the Magpul slings. An MS1 is only $35. And you can always get the extra bits to make it an MS3/4 later if you want.

[RevolverRob]

Thanks to everyone, so far.

I realized I neglected to answer your question.

No, a quick adjust 2-point sling is pretty much perfect for most guns.

If one uses a double qd endplate Or has QD on the stock and QD end plate, it's pretty easy to make a 'pseudo' single-point sling, by simply moving the forward QD rearward.

Rob_S and I are in agreement here, QDs are the best form of sling attachment. And having 3-4 spots to plug the sling in is ideal.

[Old Man Winter]

Patriot Trading / Indian Creek. Used by some tip of the spear folks, excellent quality, and inexpensive. Only available via fleabay.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Indian-Creek-Trading-Co-Two-Point-Rifle-Sling-AOR1-MAS-Multicam-OD-Coyote-LBT/253089164029

[HeavyDuty]

I realized I neglected to answer your question.

No, a quick adjust 2-point sling is pretty much perfect for most guns.

If one uses a double qd endplate Or has QD on the stock and QD end plate, it's pretty easy to make a 'pseudo' single-point sling, by simply moving the forward QD rearward.

Rob_S and I are in agreement here, QDs are the best form of sling attachment. And having 3-4 spots to plug the sling in is ideal.

I prefer having QD points on the left side of the handguard just forward of the delta ring, on the backplate and on the right rear of the buttstock. I also put IWC 2 to 1 slides on my Boonie Packer 2P-ATQ slings to allow for quick changeover to a single point.

I’m a big fan of MOE handguards. Years back I posted a tutorial on Arfcom about how to add a IWC QD cup to the rear of a MOE handguard, and amazingly it’s still up:

https://www.ar15.com/forums/ar-15/-/19-532136/?

[DDTSGM]

Mack and Mastermind Tactics just dropped their 2-point sling recently - https://www.mastermindtactics.com/shop/twopointsling - Comes with one QD and then however else you want to configure it. At $29.99 right now, it's a steal, in my opinion, for a quick adjust 2-point. The last Vicker's Sling I bought from BFG was like 75 bucks.

I just ordered one of these, I'm a big fan of the SOB B-sling's 'pull back to tighten' and 'push forward to loosen' so thought I would try one. It also comes set up so my wife won't have to sew, I generally buy SOB mash hooks and have her sew on a QD.

Rob s mentioned that he doesn't like loose tails. I tend to agree. Once I decided I was no longer in a position to operate operationally it was pretty easy to adjust lengths of my slings and snip and seal the ends to get rid of most of the tail. Always leave some tail in case your weight rebounds, but you don't need a lot of tail. (tail jokes are too obvious, so please, don't)

[blues]

I have the more expensive MS4 from Magpul, but otherwise I'd be tempted to go with the MS1 or the Mastermind from Mack if I wanted something minimalist.

[rob_s]

I have the more expensive MS4 from Magpul, but otherwise I'd be tempted to go with the MS1 or the Mastermind from Mack if I wanted something minimalist.

I really wish that when they went from the MS1 (https://magpul.com/catalog/product/view/id/5575/s/ms1-sling/category/52/?mp_global_color=118) to the MS1 QDM (https://magpul.com/catalog/product/view/id/6556/s/ms1-qdm-sling/category/52/?mp_global_color=118) they'd do more than just add two QD swivels for the $40 increase. I like the Magpul swivels and all, I just wish they sewed them in for all that extra money and ditched all that extra hardware.

[orionz06]

I got a few of these recently and they've worked well with some QD's installed.

https://www.trunkmonkeydesigns.com/quick-adjust-2-point-slings

https://static.wixstatic.com/media/97929b_28a4738398694951958ca28dc579cf85~mv2.jpg/v1/fill/w_1225,h_689,al_c,q_85,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01/97929b_28a4738398694951958ca28dc579cf85~mv2.webp

[blues]

I really wish that when they went from the MS1 (https://magpul.com/catalog/product/view/id/5575/s/ms1-sling/category/52/?mp_global_color=118) to the MS1 QDM (https://magpul.com/catalog/product/view/id/6556/s/ms1-qdm-sling/category/52/?mp_global_color=118) they'd do more than just add two QD swivels for the $40 increase. I like the Magpul swivels and all, I just wish they sewed them in for all that extra money and ditched all that extra hardware.

I don't know the ins and outs of their product line. The MS4 is the only one I've owned and it works fine for my purposes. Probably more than I required, but I liked having options.

[javemtr]

I really wish that when they went from the MS1 (https://magpul.com/catalog/product/view/id/5575/s/ms1-sling/category/52/?mp_global_color=118) to the MS1 QDM (https://magpul.com/catalog/product/view/id/6556/s/ms1-qdm-sling/category/52/?mp_global_color=118) they'd do more than just add two QD swivels for the $40 increase. I like the Magpul swivels and all, I just wish they sewed them in for all that extra money and ditched all that extra hardware.
Understandable sentiment, but then you couldn't remove the QD swivels anymore and you'd lose the ability to run the sling as a standard MS1 without the swivels (unlikely as it may be). So I guess we should be happy that the $40 price increase buys two of the QDM swivels that usually cost $27.95 a pop.

[M2CattleCo]

I’ve been using BFG Vickers slings in this configuration for over ten years. This is about as minimal, simple, and strong as a sling is gonna get.

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-Fczx8Jv/0/X4/i-Fczx8Jv-X4.jpg

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-89MKHfC/0/X4/i-89MKHfC-X4.jpg

[theJanitor]

My go-to for a non-folding AR is the vickers, and a QD at the front. For my AR's equipped with LAW folders, I've moved to the Edgar Sherman slings, with the small "D" ring QD's, as it's easier to tie up than a thick sling like the vickers.

THe vickers is what I recommend to most looking for a bombproof, easy to adjust, two point sling

[Casual Friday]

Magpul MS1 with QD hardware and BFG Vickers slings are my favorite. Once I started using a quick adjust 2 point there was no way I was ever gonna go back to just a nylon strap with a couple tri-glides.

I have a Viking Tactics sling that I turned into a makeshift dog leash when I forgot the leash at home, it works much better as a dog leash than a rifle sling.

[M2CattleCo]

I really like the VTAC slings. I cut the cuff off to get more adjustment as they can be pulled up a lot tighter than the VCAS slings.

I still use the VCAS 99% of the time or more though.

[Whiskey_Bravo]

The captive tail of the Vickers as opposed to the Vtac is what sold me on the VCAS originally. The issue with the Vickers that I have found over time is that the webbing is thick and less flexible. The adjustment mechanism is also stiffer due to the extra friction of sliding over that thick webbing. This thick stiff webbing keeps the Vickers sling from tightening to the body as closely as I would like. It also tends to dig into/abrade the neck more when shooting in adverse positions or armor.

Recently I purchased a Sierratac padded sling from Spiritus Systems. It uses thinner more flexible webbing as well as a machined aluminum slide adjustment mechanism. I was skeptical when I first took it out of the packaging and thought it felt flimsy. It uses only one tri-glide on each end as opposed to two. I decided to mount it to my rifle anyways and use it in training last week. The sling is a dream to shoot with. Much lighter felt weight. Less bulk to be conscious of and work around. Fast and smooth adjustment and can tighten down to the body better than the Vickers.

The cost is maybe $10-15 more than a vickers, but I'm fine with that. The aluminum adjustment slider may scratch your upper during storage depending on how you stow it. I'm not worried about single tri-glide at all as I back-fed each end and secured the tails with tape.

[littlejerry]

I've had a few issues with vickers slings not adjusting when dirty. If the webbing gets caked with mud it can become very difficult to slide the adjuster.

Simple slings with tails seem to be more relisient when it comes to dirt, and you have a lot more leverage to pull with.

The tail has never been a problem for me. I've been using a tail sling for biathlons/run n guns which include their fair share of natural and man made obstacles.

[theJanitor]

the Ferro Concepts sling also has a metal slider, and it will scratch up your receiver, like it did mine. It's ok with me, but some guys might put off on that.

Am I correct in hearing that the sierratac slider works in the opposite direction of most sliders? I thought someone told me that, but I never looked into it.

[dontshakepandas]

I like the Ferro Concepts sling a lot... but the scratching issue was a negative for me. I don’t really mind my guns getting wear or scratches over time from use, but the amount of scratches it got from just sitting in the safe with the sling on was a bit much.

My new favorite sling is the contour by Lunar Concepts, it is very similar to the Slingster but with polymer hardware, a better (IMO) pull tab, and a curve in the padding that makes it fit a bit better and works better for shoulder transitions when attached to the outside end of the stock.

[19852+]

I used a Proctor sling for a while, no issues with the exception of the stock "550" cord it was sent with. It looked more like cheap shoestring so I cut it loose and substituted real paracord which I like better. Now I use the Edgar Sherman sling with an HK hook front and rear. Easy to move between rifles.

[Whiskey_Bravo]

the Ferro Concepts sling also has a metal slider, and it will scratch up your receiver, like it did mine. It's ok with me, but some guys might put off on that.

Am I correct in hearing that the sierratac slider works in the opposite direction of most sliders? I thought someone told me that, but I never looked into it.

No, the Sierratac slider works the same as my Vickers. As a right-handed shooter, push forward to tighten and pull backwards to loosen.

[rob_s]

Basically it appears that the Ferro sling (https://ferroconcepts.com/products/the-slingster) you all are discussing simply takes the adjuster from the VTAC (https://www.vikingtactics.com/category-s/1833.htm) and uses it in a VCAS (https://www.blueforcegear.com/slings.html?cat=99) slider method, on a sling body that looks like a Haley (https://haleystrategic.com/d3-sling)?

[dontshakepandas]

Basically it appears that the Ferro sling (https://ferroconcepts.com/products/the-slingster) you all are discussing simply takes the adjuster from the VTAC (https://www.vikingtactics.com/category-s/1833.htm) and uses it in a VCAS (https://www.blueforcegear.com/slings.html?cat=99) slider method, on a sling body that looks like a Haley (https://haleystrategic.com/d3-sling)?

I'd agree with the slider part, but I don't think the sling body has a lot in common with the Haley Strategic sling. The Slingster lets you move the padding portion so you can get it in a position that fits your body and sling attachment points where the HSP is fixed in position and really designed to be used with an end plate sling attachment point. The material on the Slingster is also a little more robust than the HSP while still being lightweight. I never liked the feel of the material on the non padded portion of the HSP. The padded portion is nice though.

[rob_s]

I'd agree with the slider part, but I don't think the sling body has a lot in common with the Haley Strategic sling. The Slingster lets you move the padding portion so you can get it in a position that fits your body and sling attachment points where the HSP is fixed in position and really designed to be used with an end plate sling attachment point. The material on the Slingster is also a little more robust than the HSP while still being lightweight. I never liked the feel of the material on the non padded portion of the HSP. The padded portion is nice though.

I gotcha. Didn't realize the pad wasn't stitched into place.

I'm not a fan of pads to begin with so I probably didn't focus on that part.

[HeavyDuty]

Lex Luthier, watch your front stoop next week. Chag Sameach!

[Lex Luthier]

Lex Luthier, watch your front stoop next week. Chag Sameach!

Will do, and thanks, sir!

Also, thanks to everyone for your input so far. I have my likes & dislikes, of course, but I learn a lot here every time I ask a question like this. P-F Rocks.
(are we also Carbine-Forum? One never knows.)

[Maple Syrup Actual]

https://www.geardynamics.ca/store/quick-adjust-sling

For minimalist 2 points, these are what I use now. Very light. Very well built.

[Lex Luthier]

Well, life can be very rich...

A friend here kindly sent a 2P Series Tactical sling for me to try, and I had already ordered an SOB B-sling with the U-Loop to see how it works. Both arrived yesterday.
I am initially fitting the fore end with a double loop of 550 paracord before committing to hardware mounts, as my choices are limited with the VTAC rail to expensive or large footprint picatinny mounts.
Currently the stock end is looped through the vertical slot. It seems smart to try it before doing any sort of fancy paracord or hardware mount solution.

A note to pooty & others; the SOB B-Sling does not currently come with the scrunchy to cover the u-loop; I will find or make something to work. The rubber stock band works great so far.

Thanks to everyone; I have learned a lot, and expect to learn a lot more.

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[pastaslinger]

Basically it appears that the Ferro sling (https://ferroconcepts.com/products/the-slingster) you all are discussing simply takes the adjuster from the VTAC (https://www.vikingtactics.com/category-s/1833.htm) and uses it in a VCAS (https://www.blueforcegear.com/slings.html?cat=99) slider method, on a sling body that looks like a Haley (https://haleystrategic.com/d3-sling)?

Of the slings I have owned, the Ferro Slingster has been my least favorite. I think I owned it for less than 48 hours. You describe it more or less correctly in that like the Vtac, it uses that same type cam adjuster except flipped 180 and only 1 pull tab instead of two. The result is a slightly lower profile sling, but at least for mine the adjustment was very rough unlike the smooth opening and closing on Vtac and Vcas slings. I also thought the materials felt cheaper but did like the adjustable padding area.

I've gone back to exclusively Vtac and Vcas slings and am happy. If I wanted a low profile 2 point sling for a lightweight rifle, I'd get the non-padded Vcas, or maybe the padded it you're not stowing the sling much. For whatever reason, I like the Vtac for heavier rifles.

[guymontag]

https://www.geardynamics.ca/store/quick-adjust-sling

For minimalist 2 points, these are what I use now. Very light. Very well built.

I have two of these on the way. I’m currently using Vickers which are good (but I don’t like the mud issue brought up) the Magpul offering would not keep tension while moving or running so I had to trade that one off and now the Proctor slings are running over $40 (seems like a great guy but that’s pricey in my mind compared to a VCAS). Hope to give good news on Gear Dynamics.

[Maple Syrup Actual]

Well, GD are good guys. I don't think they've ever given me free stuff, although it's possible because I used to get a lot of that. But I don't think so. I think I'm a disinterested third party, although I guess the machinist who makes their slider buckles is a pretty good friend of mine. But he probably doesn't make a huge amount of money off that contract, anyway.

I spent my own money on their slings before I realized who was making the sliders, and I like them. I hope they work for you as well.

[CSW]

I purchased the Edgar Sherman design sling for an M4 I just completed. Very simple design, easy to adjust/use, and stows well.
No QD's for me, direct attachment to the carbine.

https://www.edgarshermandesign.com/product/esd-sling/

[mrozowjj]

20 years ago, way back before BFG and VTAC, we went to REI and bought nylon web strap for like $.10-.15 per foot. They sell try glides too. Go buy 30 foot of it, and a few tri glides. Make lots of slings in whatever length you want.

Back in the day... We made our own tac slings for the issued 870, since the uncle Mike’s slings they issued would allow over one shoulder carry, but would not even go across our body when wearing armor. Mounted the slings to the guns using flex cuffs. Less than $5 per sling.

Funny you say that. In the summer I tried a very highly regarded sling but found it didn't work for me because I am shorter than average so boredom got the better of me and for $30 in materials I turned this:

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Into this

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Editing quick to add a picture of the sling on a rifle:

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[Gadfly]

Funny you say that. In the summer I tried a very highly regarded sling but found it didn't work for me because I am shorter than average so boredom got the better of me and for $30 in materials I turned this:

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Into this

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Editing quick to add a picture of the sling on a rifle:

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Necessity is the mother of invention. Looks good, and you got exactly what you wanted and needed. And you got to learn a little something about the craftsmanship of making a sling.

Bravo sir!

[mrozowjj]

Necessity is the mother of invention. Looks good, and you got exactly what you wanted and needed. And you got to learn a little something about the craftsmanship of making a sling.

Bravo sir!

Sewing the quick pull loop was super easy once; I just had to think about how to do it. If you know how to sew in a straight line on a sewing machine you two can make your own quick adjust pull loop sling like I did.


Just double it around a slider and put in a lot of stitches in it across. I added some red lines because the sitches were hard to see but the goal was to just put in enoug that you stitch the two pieces together without any gaps forming when you bend it.

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Then pull it around and feed it through the other side of the slider like this


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Then stitch it closed.


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Boom. Now you can loop it through to make a quick adjust pull. I can make a quick video of how the sling works works or I can make it all over again and take better pictures if someone wants a how-to guide. The most expensive part of the sling is the QD swivels at $18 for the pair; the webbing is like 40-50 cents a foot, the sliders are like 55 cents each.

Whole thing weighs 4 oz

[CSW]

Sewing the quick pull loop was super easy once; I just had to think about how to do it. If you know how to sew in a straight line on a sewing machine you two can make your own quick adjust pull loop sling like I did.


Just double it around a slider and put in a lot of stitches in it across. I added some red lines because the sitches were hard to see but the goal was to just put in enoug that you stitch the two pieces together without any gaps forming when you bend it.

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Then pull it around and feed it through the other side of the slider like this


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Then stitch it closed.


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Boom. Now you can loop it through to make a quick adjust pull. I can make a quick video of how the sling works works or I can make it all over again and take better pictures if someone wants a how-to guide. The most expensive part of the sling is the QD swivels at $18 for the pair; the webbing is like 40-50 cents a foot, the sliders are like 55 cents each.

Whole thing weighs 4 oz


Now you've got to come up with a tacti-cool name for your new sling.
The 'Singer' sling [for the sewing machine]?
The M-roz sling?

Nice work fella!

[KeeFus]

I’ve become tired of excess sling. I watched a video on IG from 10 zero concepts about the Base Camp Kilo slings. They’ve eliminated the slack issue...


https://youtu.be/bFHDcfzUvJ0

[mrozowjj]

Now you've got to come up with a tacti-cool name for your new sling.
The 'Singer' sling [for the sewing machine]?
The M-roz sling?

Nice work fella!

It's actually a Brother sewing machine so I could unironically call it the "Bro-Sling"

100% serious I still have like yards of the nylon and I could get more of the sliders and many things are still closed near me so if anyone wanted one I'd be happy to slap one together. You'd have to supply your own swivels.

[OlongJohnson]

Primary Arms has some BFG (Vickers) slings on sale.

[awp_101]

Don't know anything about either of these companies but I ran across this and it reminded me of this thread: New From Klik Belts and Black Collar Arms: The Klik Sling 2-Point Modular Quick Adjust Rifle Sling (https://jerkingthetrigger.com/2021/05/06/new-from-klik-belts-and-black-collar-arms-the-klik-sling-2-point-modular-quick-adjust-rifle-sling/)

[rob_s]

Don't know anything about either of these companies but I ran across this and it reminded me of this thread: New From Klik Belts and Black Collar Arms: The Klik Sling 2-Point Modular Quick Adjust Rifle Sling (https://jerkingthetrigger.com/2021/05/06/new-from-klik-belts-and-black-collar-arms-the-klik-sling-2-point-modular-quick-adjust-rifle-sling/)

Had someone said “we are going to add a cobra bucke to a two-point skin GL I’d have thought “well that’s goddamn stupid”, but seeing it in pictures and the way they implemented it, I don’t mind it as much as I’d have thought I would.

That said, I’m not sure I get the point. They seem to want to market it as a way to move the sling from gun to gun, something I’ve been doing for years. I just simply install QD sockets on all the guns and move the sling around that way.

I *suppose* that moving the sling to non-AR-based rifles may make adding QD sockets harder, but that seems kind of a stretch to me.

And, by the time you absorb the cost for a pair of cobra buckles, at what point does it not just make more sense to buy more slings (particularly some of the cheep-ohs that have been posted in this thread) and leave them with the gun?

Finally, funnily enough, they suggest that the cobra buckle would allow for quick release if the gun was caught on something. Pretty sure that the last time I checked, cobra buckles were made such that they couldn’t be released when under tension? Like, that’s their whole jam? Maybe this is a different variant?

[OlongJohnson]

Reviving this because I'm probably going to pick up a sling or two this weekend.

There have been comments about the BFG Vickers sling being a little heavy and difficult to adjust, possibly not wanting to adjust reasonably or at all when dirty.

There has been at least one comment about the Magpul slider not staying put when running or moving.

It's kind of between these two. I have a Magpul and haven't had any issues with it so far, but not staying put is a "reliability"/function issue in my mind, so the report worries me. The Vickers costs a bit more. I also like the cleaner characteristic of the Magpul slider without the extra tab flapping around. Wondering whether I should try the Vickers anyway.

Any additional discussion or strong feelings between the two? Additional experiences to report?

[Wake27]

The ironical vickers is heavy and rigid for a sling but I think they have a lighter version of it. I’ve had one or two that got reasonably dirty and never had an issue adjusting.


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[Tokarev]

Another source for lightweight:

https://www.armageddongear.com/LFT-Lightweight-Carbine-Sling_p_130.html

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[vcdgrips]

I went with the the U loop B Sling from SOB at 39 ish. They have a MASH hook version for under 30.00.
https://sobtactical.com/slings/

I am using this with a 16 inch very 2008ish FrankenCarbine (Armalite lower/Bushmaster super lightweight upper.) I am attaching the rear to a RRA OEM 6 Position Adjustable stock. The front thru a hole on a YHM or MI carbine length drop in 4 rail as the "screw holes of my Gen 1 version are NOT threaded for any type of usable hardware.

I would not that a bit after my purchase-Mastermind Tactics came out with the 2QD version below at 39 ish.. If I was already set up to take such hardware (and I am not) , I suspect I would buy from MMT and drive on.

https://www.mastermindtactics.com/shop/twopointsling

Tell us what you do and why you do it in the end.


Be safe and well.

[dontshakepandas]

Reviving this because I'm probably going to pick up a sling or two this weekend.

There have been comments about the BFG Vickers sling being a little heavy and difficult to adjust, possibly not wanting to adjust reasonably or at all when dirty.

There has been at least one comment about the Magpul slider not staying put when running or moving.

It's kind of between these two. I have a Magpul and haven't had any issues with it so far, but not staying put is a "reliability"/function issue in my mind, so the report worries me. The Vickers costs a bit more. I also like the cleaner characteristic of the Magpul slider without the extra tab flapping around. Wondering whether I should try the Vickers anyway.

Any additional discussion or strong feelings between the two? Additional experiences to report?

I've tried both (and probably way too many other slings). I did have some issues with the Magpul slider not staying put. I never had any issues with the BFG being difficult to adjust, but it IS heavy and I really don't like the feel of the material.

The best minimalist sling I've tried is the Proctor sling. The paracord ends easily attach to pretty much anything. The slider is super low profile but still easy to use. When stowed it takes up almost no space on the rifle. Its also one of the cheapest sling options, especially when you factor in not having to buy more hardware.

[Coyote41]

I’ve used the BFG vickers in some gnarly brush with a heavy rifle all day and couldn’t be happier with it. I never had any issues with the slider even when coated with the dust that covers everything in the southern UT mountains.

I also have an equal number of magpul slings, but less time in the field with them.


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[CSW]

I went with the the U loop B Sling from SOB at 39 ish. They have a MASH hook version for under 30.00.
https://sobtactical.com/slings/

I am using this with a 16 inch very 2008ish FrankenCarbine (Armalite lower/Bushmaster super lightweight upper.) I am attaching the rear to a RRA OEM 6 Position Adjustable stock. The front thru a hole on a YHM or MI carbine length drop in 4 rail as the "screw holes of my Gen 1 version are NOT threaded for any type of usable hardware.

I would not that a bit after my purchase-Mastermind Tactics came out with the 2QD version below at 39 ish.. If I was already set up to take such hardware (and I am not) , I suspect I would buy from MMT and drive on.

https://www.mastermindtactics.com/shop/twopointsling

Tell us what you do and why you do it in the end.


Be safe and well.

Use the MM 2 point on a 9mm carbine.
Good sling, but it is long. Several tries to adjust the perfect size.

[xtrtsqrt11]

I use redi-mag's 2P Tactical Quick Adjustable Sling. $20-$25 depending on width and kitting. Never felt like I needed anything else. Pretty basic.

These are also known as Boonie Packer slings. I heard of them while reading a gun magazine article by Ken Hackathorn in which he recommended them. I have this model (in quote) on both my 870, M4 and my hunting rifle.

[Screwball]

https://www.citizengearco.com/

I guess this was a member from AR15.com, so I decided to support small business. Good guy, and sling is nice for my 6920.

[mmc45414]

Botach put out an email this morning that they have the MS1 without swivels on sale for $20. I was gonna buy a couple, one black and one green (I have green furniture on my 300BO to visually differentiate), but when I logged in my most recent order popped up.

Apparently I have a couple of these that need installed on the rifles, one black and one green, that have been around here someplace since March... :o

[BK14]

I’ve become tired of excess sling. I watched a video on IG from 10 zero concepts about the Base Camp Kilo slings. They’ve eliminated the slack issue...


https://youtu.be/bFHDcfzUvJ0

Reviving to see if anybody has some updates on slings.

I’ve been looking hard at the basecamp Kilo sling. Just trying to find something minimal that secures to the rifle well. I’m currently using one of the lightweight VTAC with a web dominator holding it s-folded. Works decent, but does come undone somewhat easily. Worried the hardware on the basecamp may get in the way when it’s doing sling things.

Any more recent feedback on minimalist slings with good storage options?

[CSW]

This is the Edgar Sherman design two point.
Very light weight, plenty strong and stows in it's own keepers.

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[WobblyPossum]

I have an ESD 2-point on my APC9. I like it for that because it’s still a fairly light gun. We’ll see how I feel once the suppressor for it gets out of jail because I wouldn’t want the ESD sling on a substantially heavier gun. It’s an unpadded sling made with 1” webbing. My 11.5” AR weighs 10 pounds loaded with its suppressor on. I haven’t tried the ESD sling on it because I already know I prefer padded slings for something that heavy. I do appreciate the elastic keeper that lets you fold and secure the sling for storage, transport and vehicle use. It’s not something so complicated that you can’t just make and add something like it for any other sling, but it’s convenient that the ESD sling already has one from the start.

[Biggy]

I like snd have been using the WPS rifle sling and the GBRS Group Second Best Sling (SBS) on my AR's for a while now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmwTMgLuVAo&pp=ygUOd2FyIHBvZXQgc2xpbmc%3D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPFYqIpjfCQ&pp=ygUXc2Vjb25kIGJlc3QgcmlmbGUgc2xpbmc%3D