P320MAX

[Robert Mitchum]

Just posting it if anyone has any interest.

P320MAX FEATURES

★ TXG Tungsten Infused Heavy Grip Module
★ Custom Works slide with official Max Michel logo and custom serrations
★ ROMEO3MAX 6MOA optic direct-mounted to slide
★ 5” Match Grade Bull Barrel
★ Solid one-piece guide rod compatible with 1911 recoil springs
★ (4) 21rd Steel Magazines


"Developed in partnership with Team SIG Captain Max Michel, the P320MAX is a 9mm striker-fired pistol optimized for competition at the highest level, specifically in the popular Carry Optics division. It features a completely redesigned slide, with custom wrap-around serrations delivering maximum grip for both side and top manipulation. The pistol also comes standard with the ultra-wide field of view ROMEO3MAX optic with 6MOA red dot, and (4) 21rd steel magazines."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r--YRf8drIE&utm_campaign=P320_MAX&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Eloqua

[HCM]

GJM does the completely redesigned slide have anything to do with the accuracy issues reported with the Legion vs the standard X5 ?

[GJM]

GJM does the completely redesigned slide have anything to do with the accuracy issues reported with the Legion vs the standard X5 ?

I don’t believe so. The hot ticket would be all of the above but with an original X5 slide, cut for the R3 Max. My wife and a friend are setting their pistols up that way. Osage sells bare X5 slides.

[rdtompki]

I don't know offhand what striker fired handguns use a bushing so I suppose the bull barrel is just therefore heavier for purpose of heat dissipation or reduced recoil? It's interesting that the Sig web ad doesn't use the term "bull barrel". Yet another quirk of USPSA is the 4.2" maximum allowable bull barrel length in Single Stack. Bizarre?: you be the judge.

[Kirk]

I don’t believe so. The hot ticket would be all of the above but with an original X5 slide, cut for the R3 Max. My wife and a friend are setting their pistols up that way. Osage sells bare X5 slides.

Yep, this is exactly how I'd do it. My original X5 was *insanely* accurate, my Legions were hit or miss. Just no way I'd pay $1,700 for a glorified Legion that may or may not be accurate out of the box. I also couldn't care less about the front slide serrations on a competition gun.

[GJM]

My wife shot her #1 competition Legion today at 25 yards, freestyle, using her match ammo. Her group was four inches or so — within the head box of a USPSA target, but certainly not in the upper A box. She then shot the pistol she put together, which was identical except that it has an X5 slide instead of the Legion slide. Here is her group.

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Whatever Sig did withnthe Legion uppers, it really screwed up what they had with the X5, which seemed to shoot everything darn well.

[md8232]

My wife shot her #1 competition Legion today at 25 yards, freestyle, using her match ammo. Her group was four inches or so — within the head box of a USPSA target, but certainly not in the upper A box. She then shot the pistol she put together, which was identical except that it has an X5 slide instead of the Legion slide. Here is her group.

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Whatever Sig did withnthe Legion uppers, it really screwed up what they had with the X5, which seemed to shoot everything darn well.

It’s a year later, is she still using/pleased with this combo?

[GJM]

It’s a year later, is she still using/pleased with this combo?

She is using the following bits and pieces:

Heavy tungsten infused lower reshaped down to “small” dimensions with the beaver tail also reduced.

X5 upper with the Legion barrel (slide matters not barrel)

GGI adjustable over travel trigger with Armory Craft trigger shoe

Romeo 3 Max on a Springer plate

Springer extended paddle mag release

SSI tungsten grip weight

Springer tungsten guide with Sprinco 13 spring or OEM 14

[md8232]

She is using the following bits and pieces:

Heavy tungsten infused lower reshaped down to “small” dimensions with the beaver tail also reduced.

X5 upper with the Legion barrel (slide matters not barrel)

GGI adjustable over travel trigger with Armory Craft trigger shoe

Romeo 3 Max on a Springer plate

Springer extended paddle mag release

SSI tungsten grip weight

Springer tungsten guide with Sprinco 13 spring or OEM 14

Thanks.
It seems like a new P320Max would tend to check all the boxes. Do you have any experience with one?

[GJM]

Thanks.
It seems like a new P320Max would tend to check all the boxes. Do you have any experience with one?

The problem is the Legion slides shoot much larger groups than all the same parts with an X5 slide.

[taadski]

G,

Are the new X5 replacements you guys are seeing pre-cut to take an RMR footprint? I thought I'd read that somewhere. And it appears so, but just checking.

[GJM]

G,

Are the new X5 replacements you guys are seeing pre-cut to take an RMR footprint? I thought I'd read that somewhere. And it appears so, but just checking.

I thought I heard that, but now not sure. Her slides now have Springer plates for the R3Max, so I can’t easily look underneath.

[GJM]

I thought I heard that, but now not sure. Her slides now have Springer plates for the R3Max, so I can’t easily look underneath.

A friend who has multiples, says no on the RMR cut.

[taadski]

Thanks for asking him. I got your email with the link also. Appreciate it.

[md8232]

The problem is the Legion slides shoot much larger groups than all the same parts with an X5 slide.

Thanks again. Reality just doesn’t want to play nice with my wants and desires!
I might just buy the Max and a X5 slide. It would give me a way to keep shooting while the new
slide gets cut for a Romeo3.

[jbrimlow]

The problem is the Legion slides shoot much larger groups than all the same parts with an X5 slide.

I'd also like to thank you for this, as well as the pointer to Osage as a place to get stripped X5 (non-legion) slides. The X5 slide/legion frame combo shoots great.

Now all it needs is a name.

[JCS]

The problem is the Legion slides shoot much larger groups than all the same parts with an X5 slide.

What would you think of this as an alternative to the legion? https://www.provenoutfitters.com/sig-p320f-pro-txg-grip
My thought is that one could get it and a gg trigger for about the same price as a legion.

[JJN]

Am I the only one who finds it hilarious to add tungsten to a polymer lower to make it heavier?

[jbrimlow]

What would you think of this as an alternative to the legion? https://www.provenoutfitters.com/sig-p320f-pro-txg-grip
My thought is that one could get it and a gg trigger for about the same price as a legion.

I'm not GJM, but my big thing there would be are you happy with that dot? I'd prefer a bigger window (especially if it's a dedicated game gun).

I'd also prefer swapping out the legion slide for a standard x5 slide for more accuracy, but that's not really necessary and a lot more scratch. Just my $0.02.

[HCM]

Am I the only one who finds it hilarious to add tungsten to a polymer lower to make it heavier?

How about replacing a polymer lower with a metal lower:

https://www.sigsauer.com/p320-axg-carry-medium-grip-module.html

[NoTacTravis]

How about replacing a polymer lower with a metal lower:

https://www.sigsauer.com/p320-axg-carry-medium-grip-module.html

I think it’s something like 13.3oz vs 8.1oz with the infused polymer being heavier. AXG is a lightweight aluminum alloy I think?

I’m assuming JCS is looking for a heavy gamer gun for CO division with this and wants to end up in the 45-55oz range for the competitive advantage that offers.


Or I’m way off base...

[taadski]

I'm not GJM, but my big thing there would be are you happy with that dot? I'd prefer a bigger window (especially if it's a dedicated game gun).

I'd also prefer swapping out the legion slide for a standard x5 slide for more accuracy, but that's not really necessary and a lot more scratch. Just my $0.02.

The link quoted is for a 4.7” pro slide with the tungsten grip. Not a legion one.

Other issues aside, I find the window size of the Romeo 1/Romeo 1 pro to be acceptable. It’s much closer in size to an SRO that an RMR, for example. You saying you find them wanting in that regard?

[taadski]

How about replacing a polymer lower with a metal lower:

https://www.sigsauer.com/p320-axg-carry-medium-grip-module.html

The AXG module, in addition to being a pretty different shape, is quite a bit lighter than the tungsten infused X5 grip. It also doesn’t accept the weights the X5 modules do unfortunately. It recoils/tracks more similarly to the original 320 grips, in my hands anyway.

[HCM]

The AXG module, in addition to being a pretty different shape, is quite a bit lighter than the tungsten infused X5 grip. It also doesn’t accept the weights the X5 modules do unfortunately. It recoils/tracks more similarly to the original 320 grips, in my hands anyway.

I actually want to try one since my grip is some what incompatible with the X frames. I tend to unintentionally activate the slide stop, locking the slide open in the middle of strings of fire. I don't get that with the original 320/m17 grip so I'm hoping the AXG grip will help.

[taadski]

I actually want to try one since my grip is some what incompatible with the X frames. I tend to unintentionally activate the slide stop, locking the slide open in the middle of strings of fire. I don't get that with the original 320/m17 grip so I'm hoping the AXG grip will help..

I don’t have an issue activating the slide stop with my grip so I can’t help with any feedback in that regard. I bought one hoping to find an analogue to the feel of a 226/229 (long time user). And the AXG largely fits the bill, from a grip angle standpoint especially. It has a bit thinner a profile though. I’ve been hoping they’ll offer different grip replacements but they haven’t as of yet. Only the alternate back straps.

[JimLob65]

I just bought an AXG Scorpion a few days ago. In comparing it to my P226 SAO Legion it actually feels heavier, although it isn't supposed to be. Maybe because the total package is physically smaller. I do find it much better balanced, top to bottom, than my X-Carry. I really like it.

[jbrimlow]

The link quoted is for a 4.7” pro slide with the tungsten grip. Not a legion one.

Other issues aside, I find the window size of the Romeo 1/Romeo 1 pro to be acceptable. It’s much closer in size to an SRO that an RMR, for example. You saying you find them wanting in that regard?

Re: 4.7" barrel/pro slide, oops. Somehow in my head I got back to thinking about legion guns. Most of the obvious advantage is the heavy frame, so I think the 4.7" would be a fine way to start. You can always try the 5" barrel/x5 slide later, and you wouldn't have any trouble flipping it.

Re: Romeo 1 Pro, I just prefer the extra height of the R3Max/XL. For my gaming guns, I want the biggest window, and I think height is more important than width. Though if I can get both, that's better. Also, I know the Romeo3 Max/XL are very resistant to that "double dot" issue in the sun. This is very much a "best" vs "good enough" thing, so if the budget isn't there, that's fine. But I don't see a non-financial reason to skimp on the dot in CO. Unless maybe you wanted the gun to also get banged around as a duty rig or something.

[Dave Williams]

I almost impulse bought a 320 Max today. The slide to frame fit felt like it was ball bearings it was so smooth it was amazing and the trigger was fantastic. I’d really like to shoot one.

[GJM]

I almost impulse bought a 320 Max today. The slide to frame fit felt like it was ball bearings it was so smooth it was amazing and the trigger was fantastic. I’d really like to shoot one.

I would lean towards buying an AXG Pro (4.7 barrel) and adding LOK grips. The Legion slides have accuracy problems. You can remedy that with a legacy X5 slide but then you lose the slide direct milled for the R3 Max.

[md8232]

I would lean towards buying an AXG Pro (4.7 barrel) and adding LOK grips. The Legion slides have accuracy problems. You can remedy that with a legacy X5 slide but then you lose the slide direct milled for the R3 Max.


You are breaking my heart here. I so want 4 Max slides so I can upgrade to the Max dots.

[GJM]

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[md8232]

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Just no. I'm not buying 4 more Sigs right now!

[MVS]

I would lean towards buying an AXG Pro (4.7 barrel) and adding LOK grips. The Legion slides have accuracy problems. You can remedy that with a legacy X5 slide but then you lose the slide direct milled for the R3 Max.

I assume you mean the more popular 5 inch Legion slide, but I have to say, I am having a heck of a time wrangling any kind of decent accuracy out of my 3.9 Carry Legion. At least compared to my Q5 it is a dog.

[GJM]

I assume you mean the more popular 5 inch Legion slide, but I have to say, I am having a heck of a time wrangling any kind of decent accuracy out of my 3.9 Carry Legion. At least compared to my Q5 it is a dog.

Nope, I mean the 4.7 inch Pro slide because the Legion slides don't shoot well at 25 yards and beyond. People replace the Legion slide with a legacy X5 slide, which shrinks groups substantially. Another option is a Gray Guns slide and barrel set-up. The 4.7 Pro slide shots good enough.

[MVS]

Nope, I mean the 4.7 inch Pro slide because the Legion slides don't shoot well at 25 yards and beyond. People replace the Legion slide with a legacy X5 slide, which shrinks groups substantially. Another option is a Gray Guns slide and barrel set-up. The 4.7 Pro slide shots good enough.

Yes. I didn't comment correctly. I meant you were talking about the 5 inch Legion being the poor performer.