Walther PDP New Duty pistol.

[call_me_ski]

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Looks like the upcoming launch on the 19th has leaked a few days early. This is the extent of my knowledge.

Full-size grip looks long. 19rd mags?

[RevolverRob]

Apparently 18-rounders from Q4/PPQ will work, but the 15-rounders will not.

Walther jumps into the "modular" frame world ala Sig P320 with this one. Maybe they'll get a thumb safety out for the smaller version before Beretta or HK.

I really can't get over how cheap modern Walthers look. And this is no exception. Whatever happened to just machining plain cocking serrations? :rolleyes:

[Guerrero]

I really can't get over how cheap modern Walthers look. And this is no exception. Whatever happened to just machining plain cocking serrations? :rolleyes:

They wouldn't look like Gucci Glocks, then.

[call_me_ski]

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I don’t think it looks any cheaper than the modern crop of duty ready striker guns.

[RevolverRob]

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I don’t think it looks any cheaper than the modern crop of duty ready striker guns.

I agree for the most part.

I'm actually thinking new (post-Umarex) polymer Walthers vs. pre-Umarex (early P99s) Walthers.

Machining (or lack thereof) has been making things that are slab sided now except where they cut ugly divots/serrations that have no use. Frames are squared off, a lot of sharp corners, etc. The grip texturing looks better here, but that's about it, looks wise.

Time will tell how they hold up, hopefully well.

[call_me_ski]

I agree for the most part.

I'm actually thinking new (post-Umarex) polymer Walthers vs. pre-Umarex (early P99s) Walthers.

Machining (or lack thereof) has been making things that are slab sided now except where they cut ugly divots/serrations that have no use. Frames are squared off, a lot of sharp corners, etc. The grip texturing looks better here, but that's about it, looks wise.

Time will tell how they hold up, hopefully well.

No such thing as a pre-Umarex P99. Umarex bought Walther in 1993 and one of the first things they did was bring on new engineers and task them with making a modern polymer gun. The P99 was the result that was released in 1997.

[RevolverRob]

No such thing as a pre-Umarex P99. Umarex bought Walther in 1993 and one of the first things they did was bring on new engineers and task them with making a modern polymer gun. The P99 was the result that was released in 1997.

Well, call it "pre-Umarex design language" then.

Regardless, progressively since the P22 launched, the Walther line has been getting cheaper looking and cheaper feeling too. Hard for me to tel if the Q4/Q5s are holding up to high volume shooting overall. Maybe GJM knows, I think he shot them a bunch a year or two ago.

[call_me_ski]

Companies have to find ways to compete on price and it seems that modern striker guns are all about price. Hell, the quintessential cheap duty gun, the Glock, lost the Army bid because they were under bid by 40 percent. Companies are fighting tooth and nail to find margin everywhere. I would much rather a company finds a way to reduce machine time by reducing some exterior curves and keep quality otherwise the same than have all the small parts farmed out to India. YMMV.

I think the steel frame Walthers are a good indicator of their attention to detail. Walther didn’t just throw a PPQ top end onto a steel frame. They redesigned the Barrel locking surfaces and the slide lock mechanism to account for the much less flexible frame. The barrel and slide do not interchange with a normal PPQ. I do wonder how those guns are holding up. There has to be a few people with a lot of rounds on them by now.

[pangloss]

If this is a grown up PPS, then I might find it interesting. If this is a PPQ in different clothes, then not so much. (Reference PPQ striker drop reported by Doc_Glock.)

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[Magsz]

That beavertail area looks really flat and uncomfortable...much like the retarded design of the Q5 steel pistols beavertail. Who the hell is their ergonomics engineer?

I don't really understand this pistol. Its basically a PPQ with a different aesthetic on the frame?

[kwb377]

That beavertail area looks really flat and uncomfortable...much like the retarded design of the Q5 steel pistols beavertail. Who the hell is their ergonomics engineer?



It's not so much the beavertail, but the undercut at the triggerguard/mag realease looks like it was designed by someone that's never shot more than 50 rounds through a pistol before.

[Dave Williams]

I'm hearing this is the Glock Killer.

[GJM]

This past year, and at least for the foreseeable future, any gun on the shelves at the LGS sells, so the bar for new designs to sell is quite low.

[Trooper224]

Apparently 18-rounders from Q4/PPQ will work, but the 15-rounders will not.

Walther jumps into the "modular" frame world ala Sig P320 with this one. Maybe they'll get a thumb safety out for the smaller version before Beretta or HK.

I really can't get over how cheap modern Walthers look. And this is no exception. Whatever happened to just machining plain cocking serrations? :rolleyes:

Complaining about cheap looking polymer pistols is like complaining about hookers in a whorehouse.

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I think the steel frame Walthers are a good indicator of their attention to detail. Walther didn’t just throw a PPQ top end onto a steel frame. They redesigned the Barrel locking surfaces and the slide lock mechanism to account for the much less flexible frame. The barrel and slide do not interchange with a normal PPQ. I do wonder how those guns are holding up. There has to be a few people with a lot of rounds on them by now. Eh, I've heard multiple high level shooters say that the SF has really weird harmonics that makes it more difficult to shoot with an RDS, even compared to the polymer frame versions. One of them even went as far as to say this was likely due to a lack of analysis then going from polymer to steel, so... dunno.

[RevolverRob]

Complaining about cheap looking polymer pistols is like complaining about hookers in a whorehouse.

But you go to a whorehouse for...you know maybe we should discuss this elsewhere...

So at this point is anyone here on P-F actually shooting a Walther PPQ/Q4/Q5 regularly?

[backtrail540]

I dig the texture extending up to the top of the grip. If it doesn't drop the striker on impact and has a ppq-esque trigger, I'd be open to playing with one.

I recently played with a few ppq's in the lgs. The q5 sf match was a pleasant surprise. Great trigger and the beaver tail that i always wrote off as would-be bothersome in my head, felt fine once i had it in hand. I want to shoot one.

The plastic ppq had a rather pedestrian striker trigger in comparison but seemed fine. Plenty of takeup for my likes and not especially light. Grip was a bit slick but perfect in size. The beavertail on it was more noticeable as far as being wide but not enough to make me think it'd be an issue without shooting it.

Hopefully this is just an improved ppq. If so I'm open to it when i have a want to grab another striker gun. At least aftermarket support will be ready from the jump. I dig what Walther is doing in that regard. Their website has tons of aftermarket products/ support(chpws, boresight, taylor freelance to name a few) listed for their guns to put a new owner in the right direction and i find that refreshing.

[MattyD380]

Modular... Better ergos... Other than that, I guess I just don't see a major point of difference vs. the PPQ? Maybe the modular aspect appeals to LE more? Any idea if this gonna be an Ulm (Actual Walther) gun or an Arnsberg (Umarex) gun?

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https://www.recoilweb.com/walther-pdp-match-grade-performance-and-bar-brawl-toughness-165755.html

Seems like yet another quality polymer SFA pistol.

[pangloss]

https://www.recoilweb.com/walther-pdp-match-grade-performance-and-bar-brawl-toughness-165755.html

Seems like yet another quality polymer SFA pistol.


Highlights from rom the article: "This gives the 4-inch compact-frame Walther PDP a slight edge in customization, since it can accommodate threaded barrels, comps, magazine extensions, and recoil assemblies from the PPQ all from the get-go. As icing on the cake, all PDP slides utilize Glock-pattern dovetails for their iron sights, allowing for an N+1 selection of non-optic sights.

The bang switch on the PDP is a new, proprietary unit they’re calling the Performance Duty Trigger, or PDT. (Putting the Performance Duty Trigger in the Performance Duty Pistol is an excellent example of German-inspired creativity and free spirit.) Naming conventions aside, the PDT is quite possibly the single best factory trigger on a striker gun we’ve ever laid hands on. The trigger on our sample gun has about a half-inch of clean, gliding take-up before hitting a brick wall that breaks consistently at 4 pounds, 4 ounces on our digital gauge."

[pastaslinger]

I actually really like it. It seems to fix the things I disliked with the PPQ which were mostly grip length and grip texture related.

[Elwin]

The grip texture and Glock sight cuts are both excellent ideas, and the optic mount system looks like a major improvement over the Q4/5 version. Also, having the option to configure it as basically the equivalent of a G19, G17, G45, or G17k, take your pick, is very cool.

That said, if it's still a fully tensioned striker with no manual safety option and no Gadget-equivalent feature like the PPS has, it's a pass for me personally. And that's before getting to the button release instead of paddles. Though I admit I'm in a definite minority when it comes to both those things. I just really, really want my full sized PPS Classic.

[MattyD380]

That said, if it's still a fully tensioned striker with no manual safety option and no Gadget-equivalent feature like the PPS has, it's a pass for me personally. Though I admit I'm in a definite minority when it comes to both those things.

I'm with you on that one. But, hearing more about the trigger and ergos... sounds like a nice option, otherwise.

[Greg]

The grip texture and Glock sight cuts are both excellent ideas, and the optic mount system looks like a major improvement over the Q4/5 version. Also, having the option to configure it as basically the equivalent of a G19, G17, G45, or G17k, take your pick, is very cool.

That said, if it's still a fully tensioned striker with no manual safety option and no Gadget-equivalent feature like the PPS has, it's a pass for me personally. And that's before getting to the button release instead of paddles. Though I admit I'm in a definite minority when it comes to both those things. I just really, really want my full sized PPS Classic.

We may be in the minority, but we aren't alone in avoiding fully cocked striker designs.

[GJM]

My recollection is that Tom Jones has told me he has no objection to a cocked striker design, just how some of them are designed. For example, he likes the M&P design.

[Lex Luthier]

I look forward to trying one out. Hopefully one of the many rental ranges in the area will get one or two into their fleet.

I don't love that big honking trigger guard, but this is a place where gloves are necessary for several months a year.
And all the Glock sight options means there's no end of possibilities for personal preference there.

Looking at the texture which appears like little raised donuts cast into the grips, it makes me think they found a way to give good traction
& surface area without having to get very gritty.

(ETA: I too hope they do a run with paddle mag releases.)

[call_me_ski]

This appears to be a refresh of the PPQ. Looks like there are a bunch of small well thought out changes for serious shooters. They moved the back up sight off the sight plate onto the slide. They added much more aggressive grip texture. Looks like the trigger is updated in some way. 18 plus one magazines make it viable as a duty gun for departments. The serrations look to be about as aggressive as possible without adding a charging handle to the side.

I feel they missed the make in two ways. The first is that a new pistol really should have a modular chassis. This one does not appear to. Second, they failed to redesign the thumb shelf (needed for ATF points for import) below the magazine release. It is my one ergonomic grip with the PPQ. If they had a serialized chassis I would just dremel it off and drive on. More apprehensive about doing it to a serialized component. Especially because I don’t feel the need to do it to a Glock.

I’ll see if I can put my hands on one soon.

[call_me_ski]

(ETA: I too hope they do a run with paddle mag releases.)

There will not be another Walther with a paddle release. This statement came directly from the chief engineer at Ulm a couple years ago. The sales number do not support it.

[vaglocker]

My recollection is that Tom Jones has told me he has no objection to a cocked striker design, just how some of them are designed. For example, he likes the M&P design.

So basically your saying a gadget for this is in the works? ;)

[t1tan]

I'm interested, the fact it's basically a evolved PPQ and they're selling slides and frames standalone and PMM has already confirmed a barrel/comp, this will make a fun project gun. I couldn't bring myself to delve into a P320 and I think this just solved that dilemma.

[RAM Engineer]

Walther: "Oh, sorry! Did you want to put your thumbs somewhere on the sides of the gun? Me and my buddy HK were planning on putting slide releases there."

Me: <adjusts thumbs>

Walther: "there too..."

Me: "..."

Walther: "...colder..."

[buzz_knox]

It looks like a polymer Q4 SF. The weight of the SF has always deterred me from getting one so this would be a nice change.

[MVS]

But you go to a whorehouse for...you know maybe we should discuss this elsewhere...

So at this point is anyone here on P-F actually shooting a Walther PPQ/Q4/Q5 regularly?

Not sure what I count for, but I am. It is a recent acquisition but I agree with many who shoot it in saying it is by far the best striker fired pistol available. Of course for the price, it should be. I for one like the beavertail.

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[olstyn]

So at this point is anyone here on P-F actually shooting a Walther PPQ/Q4/Q5 regularly?

That depends. Do you count my P99 and P99c as PPQs? The PPQ is basically just a facelift + simplification of the P99, so...

[Lex Luthier]

I just coonfingered all three versions this afternoon at the LGS. I will break down the differences and similarities as I saw them.

(Please bear in mind that these are all *impressions* from a guy who typically doesn't shoot autos much, and rarely gets around to the current hotness. That said, I like Walther's approach, generally.)

1) The compact frame version had a compact slide. The grip texture was different than my impression from the photos. Quite grippy - what I thought were doughnut like-rings were in reality pointed cones.
The swell of the grip and lack of finger grooves makes it feel fairly different from the PPQ. The ergonomics are clearly from Walther, though. This one was my favorite overall.

2) There was a full size frame variant with compact slide, and this was quite a bit longer in the hand, extending below my L/XL sized fingers & palm. I suppose it was much like a Glock 45 in dimensions.
Even though the frame circumference and palmswells were in the same place between the two frame sizes, the full size felt like it would take more familiarizing for those of us used to compact pistols, and maybe revolver shooters, as well. Not as blocky as a G17, but at least as large-feeling.

3)The full size frame & slide variant was quite long feeling in comparison to even the short-slide version.

All three had the same sights. They are quite credible windage adjustable 3-dots. (pretty sure they were steel.) They definitely were of Glock cut pattern.

Triggers were *great* and consistent on all three examples, and were as described in review. Magazines were Mec-Gar, with their usual fine quality.
The mag release button is somewhat oversize and the mags dropped freely and crisply. It looks to be reversible. (mumbles something in bad Alsatian accent about levers being zuperior zystem, grumble grumble)

The RMR plates were identical between the two slides, and the cocking groove cuts were about as effective at keeping your grip during manipulation as the swells at the back the VP-9's slide. The grooves on the Walther are deep with a subtle chamfer. Interestingly, the sections that are serrated are raised above the actual slide sides- the cocking grooves are cut down to the depth of the slide, as if the cocking pieces were added on, rather than machined away.
The slide release is long, but lies out of the way of the thumbs for me, regardless of hand. It is also ambidextrous.
From the photos, I expected that the slide would be much blockier than it is- it is almost a blend of the PPQ and P99 curves on the top end- really, it's less angular than either. There is a lot of subtlety to this pistol.

And the trigger guard is also less blocky and huge than it appears in the photos. It would be quite useful during glove season. ;)
The blending in of the trigger guard to the frame is subtle to the fingers, and quite out of the way. It is quite exaggerated in the pictures I've seen, including the one in the original post.
I don't think "Walther-Knuckle" will be a thing. The beavertail was hardly noticeable in it's form. It filled the hand without being obtrusive, neither too wide and flat, nor too narrow or curved.

Those who like Glocks will probably still buy Glocks. Those who like H & Ks will probably be looking at this thing, too.

I really want to try one, now. I expect they will be rather popular.

Asking price for all three variants was $649.

[MattyD380]

I grabbed a first-gen P99 not long ago. I’ve only put about 50 rounds through it (so not “regularly”—but I haven’t been shooting much of anything “regularly,” these days). I really dig it so far. Seems to shoot right on POA for me.

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I wish they’d bring the P99 system forward to the new platforms. Though I guess you can still get it in the magnum research version (MR9?). There’s something... satisfying... about pushing a button to decock.

[Borderland]

I'm hearing this is the Glock Killer.

I think all of the new strikers are basically Glock killers if they can sell them at cost plus 10% with a guaranteed contract for 300K units over 5 years. ;) Will they be making their own ammo?

There might be a new Walther in your new Walther holster in the near future if you happen to be a DHS or DOJ employee.

[Elwin]

I wish they’d bring the P99 system forward to the new platforms. Though I guess you can still get it in the magnum research version (MR9?). There’s something... satisfying... about pushing a button to decock.

Off topic - you can also still get a P99 from Walther, though finding one can be hard.

[olstyn]

I wish they’d bring the P99 system forward to the new platforms. Though I guess you can still get it in the magnum research version (MR9?). There’s something... satisfying... about pushing a button to decock.

I love my P99 and P99c, but I don't see this happening, for several reasons:

1. DA/SA is not currently fashionable.
2. The P99 decocker button lives *exactly* where optics cuts go on modern pistols. It would have to be relocated in order to make the idea technically feasible.
3. The P99 trigger is "too complicated" according to a lot of critics - it's DA/SA with an extra mode tacked on. It was a weird thing to explain and sell even when it first came out, and in today's world of fully-cocked striker-fired guns which are essentially SAO with no manual safety, the P99 trigger has 3x as many modes as a "normal" gun, vs 1.5x as many when it first came to market.
4. James Bond doesn't carry one anymore. Say what you will, but movie marketing tie-ins sell products, and guns are no exception.

[MattyD380]

I love my P99 and P99c, but I don't see this happening, for several reasons:

1. DA/SA is not currently fashionable.
2. The P99 decocker button lives *exactly* where optics cuts go on modern pistols. It would have to be relocated in order to make the idea technically feasible.
3. The P99 trigger is "too complicated" according to a lot of critics - it's DA/SA with an extra mode tacked on. It was a weird thing to explain and sell even when it first came out, and in today's world of fully-cocked striker-fired guns which are essentially SAO with no manual safety, the P99 trigger has 3x as many modes as a "normal" gun, vs 1.5x as many when it first came to market.
4. James Bond doesn't carry one anymore. Say what you will, but movie marketing tie-ins sell products, and guns are no exception.

Yeah, I don’t think they will either. But... it’d be nice. Good points. Especially on the optics. On the “3rd mode”—I guess I don’t even really perceive it. The thing’s cocked until I hit the button. The fact that trigger stays forward when it’s cocked is kinda... superfluous.

In any case...

I think Walther makes good shit. But I’d need a safety on their newer offerings.

[call_me_ski]

Looks like an Acro sits low enough to co-witness with the factory sights.



I did get to spend quiet a bit of time with a steel frame but always wished it would have had a longer grip. Now that Walther has 18rd mags maybe that means that a SF with 18rd mags is around the corner.

[olstyn]

On the “3rd mode”—I guess I don’t even really perceive it. The thing’s cocked until I hit the button. The fact that trigger stays forward when it’s cocked is kinda... superfluous.

I 100% agree, but even though it's not more complicated in actual use, it *sounds* more complicated, and that very likely had a negative impact on sales back when the P99 was Walther's flagship duty/carry pistol design, and now the P99 is basically an afterthought in Walther's line.

[orionz06]

Shameless self promotion!
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I think Walther is doing a ton of the right things on this. Will they take over the world? Probably not, but they have a great pistol with a great support network and they are aware of what it's gonna take to win any market share.

[MattyD380]

I 100% agree, but even though it's not more complicated in actual use, it *sounds* more complicated, and that very likely had a negative impact on sales back when the P99 was Walther's flagship duty/carry pistol design, and now the P99 is basically an afterthought in Walther's line.

Yup. Good point. Though I’d guess price is almost always the biggest determinant; from what I gather, Glock basically gave their stuff away to the LE market. And sort defined the landscape of the SFA market in doing so.

[Joe in PNG]

Yup. Good point. Though I’d guess price is almost always the biggest determinant; from what I gather, Glock basically gave their stuff away to the LE market. And sort defined the landscape of the SFA market in doing so.

To be fair, Glock was pretty much the first one on the plastic SFA people popper scene, and arrived at that transitional place where a majority of police departments were running revolvers- and wanted to give those new fangled auto chuckers a go.
And, since most of the other contemporary auto chuckers were mostly made out of machined metal, they did have a pretty good cost advantage. Of course, having a good strip club on tap didn't hurt matter too much.

[baddean]

I was our outdoor club range late last year running some drills. A couple and their two sons were waiting for a bay and I was finishing up and waved them over.
She was shooting a Walther PPQ M2 Tungsten. They had been watching what I was doing and asked some questions. As we talked she asked me if I would like to shoot her gun. Now, I've never been a Walther guy but I said, sure. Like motorcycles, if you ask me if I want to ride it, well oh hell yeh. I won't pass up a chance to shoot someone else's gun either.
She actually encouraged me to run some drills with it.
I was pleasantly surprised at how good it felt in my hand. And the trigger. What a nice trigger. To the point I may look into acquiring one.
The other thing I noticed was the lack of "Glock finger" going on.
Decent sights too.
I may have to rethink my opinion of Walther at this point based on that experience.
Truth be known, I probably shot it better than my M&P and probably because of the sweet trigger.
Just thoughts.
Oh, and watching them while I picked up my stuff I noticed that they were quite good shooters too. Good to see a family enjoying the sport.

[Kirk]

Shameless self promotion!
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I think Walther is doing a ton of the right things on this. Will they take over the world? Probably not, but they have a great pistol with a great support network and they are aware of what it's gonna take to win any market share.

Damn bro, nice! Do you happen to offer a left handed model? I probably know the answer but still have to ask lol.

I'm a sucker for Walthers. When the PPQ first came out I put 25k through it in 6 months. Unfortunately I never quite felt comfortable carrying it because of how light the trigger was (just personal preference). I've spotted a few of PDPs on GB and I have a feeling I'll be buying a couple. If anything they could make decent steel challenge guns

[Cool Breeze]

Interesting pistol. I generally like Walther. That being said, this thing has been pimped so hard by "influencers" on instagram that its hard for me to like just because of that.

[spyderco monkey]

The PDP looks promising. I hope the recoil impulse is softer then the PPQ. I sold my PPQ because it felt like a .40 S&W firing 115gr @ 1100fps powder puff steel case just weirdly snappy.

Meanwhile, I stumbled across this on google images...

Walther Q5 SF 'Black Tie'...one of the cooler looking production pistols I've seen.

https://www.krale.shop/uk/walther-q5-match-sf-black-tie/

https://www.sportsmansoutdoorsuperstore.com/prodimages/alt_images/2844567%20_2.jpg

[RevolverRob]

The PDP looks promising. I hope the recoil impulse is softer then the PPQ. I sold my PPQ because it felt like a .40 S&W firing 115gr @ 1100fps powder puff steel case just weirdly snappy.

Meanwhile, I stumbled across this on google images...

Walther Q5 SF 'Black Tie'...one of the cooler looking production pistols I've seen.

https://www.krale.shop/uk/walther-q5-match-sf-black-tie/

https://www.sportsmansoutdoorsuperstore.com/prodimages/alt_images/2844567%20_2.jpg

Man that thing is like an ugly painting at the art museum. It follows you around the room and you can't help but gawk at it.

Oof...

[olstyn]

Man that thing is like an ugly painting at the art museum. It follows you around the room and you can't help but gawk at it.

Oof...

I do think they look better in black, but the main thing that keeps me from being interested is the price. I'm not saying the value isn't there; there are certainly competition oriented CZs that cost as much, but that doesn't change the fact that $1500+ is a lot, and I'm not buying the CZs either. Well, that and the fact that they'll never make one with a paddle mag release...

[call_me_ski]

So things we know:

Modularity is defined as being able to use any slide length on any frame like Glock G5 guns. No chassis. Walther plans to sell frames and slides separately. All sizes use the same recoil spring.

3 models at launch with a 5inch gun planned.

It uses Glock sights.

Deep sight cut that allows for stock sights to cowitness with a RMR and ACRO. A coupon redeemable for the sight plate of the purchaser’s choice is included with each gun.

The texture is the same used on the grips of the steel gun.

RevolverRob thinks it is really, really ugly. Like Hillary Swank ugly.

[Erick Gelhaus]

My two thoughts (and they aren't worth 0.25$) ...

- Yes, it does look like they got the optic as low as Atei does on an M&P for the Acro. That is good;

- My first impression was "another polymer-frame, striker-fired pistol? that's like another right-hand Glock holster." Then I went to the webpage for one of the two named holster companies ... Annddd, they only make a right-hand holster for the gun.

[MattyD380]

So things we know:

Modularity is defined as being able to use any slide length on any frame like Glock G5 guns. No chassis. Walther plans to sell frames and slides separately. All sizes use the same recoil spring.

Hmm. I guess I assumed modular reflected some kinda "chassis" thing--but component "swappability" seems just as applicable.

[GJM]

I will be very interested in shooting one of these, as Walther seemed to put a lot of thought into the design.

[Cecil Burch]

I just really, really want my full sized PPS Classic.


Same here. That is my true grail gun. I would have been perfectly content to run a classic PPS for EDC, a big brother version for when I can wear looser clothes, take training classes with, or shoot competition, and revolvers to play with. I would have never again spent a dime on any other pistol.

[nalesq]

That said, if it's still a fully tensioned striker with no manual safety option and no Gadget-equivalent feature like the PPS has, it's a pass for me personally.

This is one of the main reasons I continue to stick with Glocks and the PPS for actual serious carry. I highly prioritize mitigating the possibility of shooting myself while reholstering. No matter how cool and marginally more shootable some other new striker fired hotness is, unless it has a Gadget or equivalent, it’s just not worth it to me.



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[Lex Luthier]

A friend (another member here who is a long-term Walther P99 & PPQ CCW user) sent me this last night. It's too long by half and cringe-y in a couple places, and leaves out things like what ammunition he's using, but does show what these guns do in the field.
Plus points for -20 F in Iowa...
Minus points for the "Influencer" aspect, as mentioned above.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEtgQvxqJ38&feature=emb_logo

[Archer1440]

My two thoughts (and they aren't worth 0.25$) ...

- Yes, it does look like they got the optic as low as Atei does on an M&P for the Acro. That is good;

- My first impression was "another polymer-frame, striker-fired pistol? that's like another right-hand Glock holster." Then I went to the webpage for one of the two named holster companies ... Annddd, they only make a right-hand holster for the gun.

Throw a thousand lumen U-boat on the thing and drop it into a PHLster Floodlight, there, southpaw sensei.

Done! ;)

[HCountyGuy]

I will be very interested in shooting one of these, as Walther seemed to put a lot of thought into the design.

Same here!

Can’t say I’ve ever really given Walther more than a passing glance, but this thing seems exceptionally well thought out. They got design input from really standout guys like Jedi and CHPWS plus they were forward-thinking enough to go ahead and have aftermarket support ready at launch. If the trigger is as good as or better than the PPQs I’ve messed with then the PDP is going to warrant some serious consideration.

As an aside when Googling the Walther PDP I kept getting results for some pepper spray gun they produce(d). That was a bit confusing initially.

[RevolverRob]

RevolverRob thinks it is really, really ugly. Like Hillary Swank ugly.

Nah that's the Qx SF that's so ugly. The PDP actually seems to tone the ugly down a notch, a good direction. Still not as nice looking as Gen1 P99, but is what it is.

I'm glad to read Lex Luthier's comments on handling them in person. They certainly looked blocky as hell in the pictures, a little more subtle in person is good. Also good to hear the trigger isn't just a 1911 without a safety.


I will be very interested in shooting one of these, as Walther seemed to put a lot of thought into the design.


Same here!

Can’t say I’ve ever really given Walther more than a passing glance, but this thing seems exceptionally well thought out. They got design input from really standout guys like Jedi and CHPWS plus they were forward-thinking enough to go ahead and have aftermarket support ready at launch. If the trigger is as good as or better than the PPQs I’ve messed with then the PDP is going to warrant some serious consideration.

They got Vickers to do the intro:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaSktDO0NJc


As an aside when Googling the Walther PDP I kept getting results for some pepper spray gun they produce(d). That was a bit confusing initially.

Right? I get that the pepper spray gun is a German market thing. But it still seems kind of dumb to use the some acronym/name for a new pistol, but whatever.

[Kyle Reese]

I will be very interested in shooting one of these, as Walther seemed to put a lot of thought into the design.

Likewise.


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[MGW]

I really appreciate the work that Walthers is putting into their pistols.

[jeep45238]

If this was on the market last year, it would have been a difficult choice between it and the VP9 for me. The optic-ready plates thing is what shifted me, and 20 magazines, 2 guns, plates, etc. etc. later and logistically it's just a bit late for me to consider shifting.


But for customers who want a VP9 that's basically unobtanium right now - this has a LOT of promise.

[GJM]

Bunch of reviews have two inch groups at 25 yards. Anyone looked at the magwell area to see how it will be to reload?

[HeavyDuty]

Trying not to pay too close of attention to this... there is no deity but Gaston, there is no deity but Gaston.

[GJM]

Forget Glock, YVK predicts this new Walther will be the Staccato killer.

[YVK]

Forget Glock, YVK predicts this new Walther will be the Staccato killer.

I thought Duke proved that the Staccato didn't need a killer to die fast?

[Archer1440]

Interesting and seems to be positioned to compete squarely with VP9. Obvious comparisons:

Trigger is a bit longer in reset and and a bit heavier than VP9. Probably a wash in practical use.

Price is more or less on par, or a bit less, but Walther will send you a free optic mounting plate. However, ACRO is not listed or mentioned as an available option at this time, though an ACRO is shown on the Vickers video. Doctor, Trijicon, Vortex and Leupold are shown as available options. Call it a wash, unless you want to mount an ACRO.

VP9 has a robust steel cover plate, the PDP uses a polymer cover plate. +1 for VP9.

Texture on PDP seems to be well devised, but less customization with the grip on the PDP vs the 27 combinations available for the VP9. +1 for VP9.

Glock aftermarket sight compatibility on PDP gives you the phone book for choices. However the equipped sights are polymer, which for me is a no-go, and do not co-witness with most optics. The VP9-OR models currently ship with lower 1/3rd or 1/5th cowitness steel sights with a Tritium front dot. +1 for VP9.

Very high serrations on PDP vs full serrations and charging supports on VP9. A wash, probably.

18-round magazines for the full size PDP versus 17 for VP9. VP9 uses any 15, 17, or 20 round full size P30 magazine. PDP full size only uses new PDP magazines and will not take the PPQ magazines (but the compact will). Call that an wash, unless you have a bunch of PPQ mags.

VP9 standard has a 4” stepped chamber polygonal barrel. PDP has a 4.5” stepped chamber polygonal barrel. VP9L has a 5” stepped chamber polygonal barrel. A wash.

PDP has considerable parts carryover from PPQ.

Button release only on the PDP, VP9 has ambidextrous paddles or a switchable button as options. Call that a wash.

PDP has a (rather busy) rear cover plate, VP9 has a striker status indicator in the cover plate. +1 VP9.

At the end of the day, presuming there are no issues discovered with this new pistol, it will be a competitive choice. At least until some internet barbarian throws it into a mud puddle...

[David S.]

So basically your saying a gadget for this is in the works? ;)

#soon (https://pistol-forum.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=soon)

[Flat6]

This seems like a well thought out design release addressing updated requirements with sighting systems, modularity, ergos, The "new duty trigger" to address LEO market made me curious. Then every online review- comments and ghosting of the trigger showcases a lighter and reduced take up that's "an improvement to the PPQ". Looking forward to getting a PForum user experience perspective on one of these.

[Whirlwind06]

https://www.rkguns.com/hot-deals.html?brand=47&price=600-&trk_msg=M8789VLA55O4HBB84C6V7HRRA8&trk_contact=TERAUFIB8H1OURNS1MFQCTRC5S&trk_sid=8UNQDAKQVL2MN30HTA4B8FMNTS&utm_source=listrak&utm_medium=email&utm_term=walther-pdp-launch&utm_campaign=February+2021&utm_content=2021-02-18+Walther+PDP

Rural King has them listed in stock and ready to ship kudos to Walther for getting them into the pipeline already.

[GJM]

Interesting and seems to be positioned to compete squarely with VP9. Obvious comparisons:

Trigger is a bit longer in reset and and a bit heavier than VP9. Probably a wash in practical use.

Price is more or less on par, or a bit less, but Walther will send you a free optic mounting plate. However, ACRO is not listed or mentioned as an available option at this time, though an ACRO is shown on the Vickers video. Doctor, Trijicon, Vortex and Leupold are shown as available options. Call it a wash, unless you want to mount an ACRO.

VP9 has a robust steel cover plate, the PDP uses a polymer cover plate. +1 for VP9.

Texture on PDP seems to be well devised, but less customization with the grip on the PDP vs the 27 combinations available for the VP9. +1 for VP9.

Glock aftermarket sight compatibility on PDP gives you the phone book for choices. However the equipped sights are polymer, which for me is a no-go, and do not co-witness with most optics. The VP9-OR models currently ship with lower 1/3rd or 1/5th cowitness steel sights with a Tritium front dot. +1 for VP9.

Very high serrations on PDP vs full serrations and charging supports on VP9. A wash, probably.

18-round magazines for the full size PDP versus 17 for VP9. VP9 uses any 15, 17, or 20 round full size P30 magazine. PDP full size only uses new PDP magazines and will not take the PPQ magazines (but the compact will). Call that an wash, unless you have a bunch of PPQ mags.

VP9 standard has a 4” stepped chamber polygonal barrel. PDP has a 4.5” stepped chamber polygonal barrel. VP9L has a 5” stepped chamber polygonal barrel. A wash.

PDP has considerable parts carryover from PPQ.

Button release only on the PDP, VP9 has ambidextrous paddles or a switchable button as options. Call that a wash.

PDP has a (rather busy) rear cover plate, VP9 has a striker status indicator in the cover plate. +1 VP9.

At the end of the day, presuming there are no issues discovered with this new pistol, it will be a competitive choice. At least until some internet barbarian throws it into a mud puddle...

For competitive use, there are three things I am interested in:

1) how does its performance compare to other CO pistols.

2) how many rounds does it hold with a 140 base pad, hopefully 23+1.

3) how forgiving is the mag opening for reloads.

Walther seems very supportive of competitive shooting, so I wouldn’t be surprised to see the full grip model show up as a steel frame option.

[HeavyDuty]

https://www.rkguns.com/hot-deals.html?brand=47&price=600-&trk_msg=M8789VLA55O4HBB84C6V7HRRA8&trk_contact=TERAUFIB8H1OURNS1MFQCTRC5S&trk_sid=8UNQDAKQVL2MN30HTA4B8FMNTS&utm_source=listrak&utm_medium=email&utm_term=walther-pdp-launch&utm_campaign=February+2021&utm_content=2021-02-18+Walther+PDP

Rural King has them listed in stock and ready to ship kudos to Walther for getting them into the pipeline already.

I saw that this morning, and was surprised that the rollout was done so quickly.

[Archer1440]

For competitive use, there are three things I am interested in:

1) how does its performance compare to other CO pistols.

2) how many rounds does it hold with a 140 base pad, hopefully 23+1.

3) how forgiving is the mag opening for reloads.

Walther seems very supportive of competitive shooting, so I wouldn’t be surprised to see the full grip model show up as a steel frame option.

For competition shooting, one would imagine that aftermarket trigger options would be desired. It’s logical that a steel frame will come up in the future given the past track record.

It seems to me that Walther is making a focused push into the competition space, “buying” some noteworthy influencers- but FN is also making inroads in this area.

Competition between manufacturers is good for us consumers, to be sure- my only concern is the short and medium term viability of competition shooting in the current and near term ammo component availability situation. Without a free flow of primers and other components, competitive shooting is in for hard times in the next year or so.

[olstyn]

2) how many rounds does it hold with a 140 base pad, hopefully 23+1.

It will be interesting to see what the follower in the magazines is. My P99/PPQ M1 mags with TF 140mm base pads hold 21+1 easily or 22+1 if I really stuff the last round in, but only if I use a P99c follower - the PPQ/P99 followers' anti-tilt legs are too long and capacity is lower with the "correct" follower. 23+1 seems ambitious given that the exterior mag tube dimensions are presumably the same as the P99/PPQ mags, given that PPQ mags are compatible with the compact frame PDP. I guess 23+1 could be possible if the follower has either no anti-tilt legs or very tiny ones.

[Hot Sauce]

This seems like a well thought out design release addressing updated requirements with sighting systems, modularity, ergos, The "new duty trigger" to address LEO market made me curious. Then every online review- comments and ghosting of the trigger showcases a lighter and reduced take up that's "an improvement to the PPQ". Looking forward to getting a PForum user experience perspective on one of these.Right?

Prolly not foremost area that was begging for improvement. I like that the PPQ trigger is 5.5 lbs, and it "feels" lighter anyway, as well as it's length. If it's designed for duty as the name implies, I don't get it. It seems like it's taken more cues from the competition realm.

I do like the weight drop, grip improvements and switch to Glock sights for those of us who aren't on the red dot train yet.

[olstyn]

I like that the PPQ trigger is 5.5 lbs, and it "feels" lighter anyway, as well as it's length. If it's designed for duty as the name implies, I don't get it. It seems like it's taken more cues from the competition realm.

Yeah, that does seem a touch odd. The P99 DA/SA is ~9 pounds DA/~4pounds SA. Given that the PPQ has no DA first pull, it made sense in my mind at least that the SA trigger was a little bit heavier. This pretty much sounds like they've decided that a P99 trigger with no decocker and no long-travel AS mode is the ticket. I *do* like the fact that there is supposedly no overtravel with the new gun's trigger, though, as that would be an improvement over both the P99 *and* the PPQ triggers.

[Hot Sauce]

Yeah, that does seem a touch odd. The P99 DA/SA is ~9 pounds DA/~4pounds SA. Given that the PPQ has no DA first pull, it made sense in my mind at least that the SA trigger was a little bit heavier. This pretty much sounds like they've decided that a P99 trigger with no decocker and no long-travel AS mode is the ticket. I *do* like the fact that there is supposedly no overtravel with the new gun's trigger, though, as that would be an improvement over both the P99 *and* the PPQ triggers.If the shorter pull is only shorter because of no overtravel, I withdraw any complaint. I've never liked strikers that try to go for super short pre-travel, and it's one of the reasons I like the PPQ trigger over the VP9 by a lot.

If there's a spring solution to up the weight a little it'll be pretty groovy.

Although with no Gadget/thumb safety it'd still stay solidly in the fun gun category for me.

I do respect Walther a lot for listening to the customer base, even if I would have made a few different choices personally.

[orionz06]

Damn bro, nice! Do you happen to offer a left handed model? I probably know the answer but still have to ask lol.

I'm a sucker for Walthers. When the PPQ first came out I put 25k through it in 6 months. Unfortunately I never quite felt comfortable carrying it because of how light the trigger was (just personal preference). I've spotted a few of PDPs on GB and I have a feeling I'll be buying a couple. If anything they could make decent steel challenge guns

We'll do lefty. The plan is to do lefty for all new stuff and consider the costs doubled and just soak it up.

[jeffhughes]

We'll do lefty. The plan is to do lefty for all new stuff and consider the costs doubled and just soak it up.

Getting benevolent?

[orionz06]

Getting benevolent?

Ha! Nah, but we're still in a position to be able to offer lefty in lower volumes and just deal. That's not to say that selling to left handed people is "just dealing with it," but it's just shit for some folks to not be able to get a dedicated lefty holster. We did it with the HK P30L and VP9 and the bandaid peeling off hurt far, far less, so we're working on it this way moving forward.

[Hstanton1]

Gotta say, this is getting more intriguing the more I look at it. Hitting the market with a good optics mounting system, good sights available, and good holsters from great manufacturers is a really good move. I haven’t shot walthers that much, but I’ve found both the PPQ M2 and the Q5 SF to be just easy to shoot well.

The only thing that gives me pause is the lack of striker control device or manual safety. That being said, I’m seriously considering grabbing one of the compact models and an Orion to wear it in.

[GJM]

I shot many thousand rounds through Q5 Match and PPQ pistols. They were accurate, reliable and durable. It pointed great and the dot came naturally. They split well and the trigger had a great feel. I had a few issues. Over many rounds, the left edge of the beaver tail area bruised the inside of the knuckle at the base of my thumb enough to make a painful raised welt. The grip was short for my hands. With some very aggressive reloads, the striker dropped, although the striker block kept it from firing. I am optimistic all those things are fixed in the full size.

[Hstanton1]

I shot many thousand rounds through Q5 Match and PPQ pistols. They were accurate, reliable and durable. It pointed great and the dot came naturally. They split well and the trigger had a great feel. I had a few issues. Over many rounds, the left edge of the beaver tail area bruised the inside of the knuckle at the base of my thumb enough to make a painful raised welt. The grip was short for my hands. With some very aggressive reloads, the striker dropped, although the striker block kept it from firing. I am optimistic all those things are fixed in the full size.

Regarding the thumb knuckle issue, I’ve never shot any gun as hard as you have, but I’ve noticed a similar issue on the FN 509 and on the HK P30 with some grip combinations. The beaver tail area on the PDP does look pretty thick. Hopefully they hit a gun store near me soon so I can actually hold one.

[GJM]

Regarding the thumb knuckle issue, I’ve never shot any gun as hard as you have, but I’ve noticed a similar issue on the FN 509 and on the HK P30 with some grip combinations. The beaver tail area on the PDP does look pretty thick. Hopefully they hit a gun store near me soon so I can actually hold one.

A few weeks back, I coonfingered a Q4 SF, which I believe has a similar beavertail as the new pistols, and it felt good and different than the PPQ/Q5.

[Hstanton1]

A few weeks back, I coonfingered a Q4 SF, which I believe has a similar beavertail as the new pistols, and it felt good and different than the PPQ/Q5.

That’s good to hear. Just from looking at them, the PDP looks like it’s a bit wider and smoother on the edges than the PPQ, kind of in between it and the Q4. I suppose since it’s polymer it can be smoothed and re profiled a bit if necessary.

[orionz06]

It's been a year or two since I've touched a PPQ, but the PDP doesn't seem to have any meat that would wear at me on other pistols.

[Kirk]

We'll do lefty. The plan is to do lefty for all new stuff and consider the costs doubled and just soak it up.

Awesome man, well I'll be purchasing one in lefty once mine come in. I've used either your G17 or G43 holster basically every day for years now.

[Doc_Glock]

I am not personally getting the hype on this gun. I had several PPQs and P99s, and they were great guns. And they dropped the striker easily and didn't do anything the old Glock didn't do. I really liked them, but I can't say I miss them.

To me, this looks like a PPQ with Glock sight compatibility and an optic mount. Am I missing something?

It is certainly a logical improvement on the PPQ platform, and hopefully improves on the striker thing at the same time and should be a great option for current Walther shooters, but I don't see it prompting me to buy anything, and I need very little prompting to buy a new gun.

[Archer1440]

I don’t plan on buying this item, but I will still avoid madmen with deadblow hammers and practiced hands...

[RevolverRob]

If the PDP doesn't drop the striker on hard reloads it will resolve the biggest issue with the PPQ.

[Casual Friday]

It doesn't interest me and I won't be buying one but I'm happy to see another option on the market, as that seems to drive others to innovate and come up with new offerings.

On a side note, does anyone else feel like they're on Walther PDP overload right now? I open IG and it's nothing but the PDP, I open YouTube and it's nothing but the PDP. Hell, there was a 2+ hour P&S modcast about it and it looked like they were all wearing matching Walther shirts and hats. I don't remember this much fanfare about any other polymer frame striker fired semi auto in recent years, and that includes the VP9 and the Glock single stacks.

[pastaslinger]

It doesn't interest me and I won't be buying one but I'm happy to see another option on the market, as that seems to drive others to innovate and come up with new offerings.

On a side note, does anyone else feel like they're on Walther PDP overload right now? I open IG and it's nothing but the PDP, I open YouTube and it's nothing but the PDP. Hell, there was a 2+ hour P&S modcast about it and it looked like they were all wearing matching Walther shirts and hats. I don't remember this much fanfare about any other polymer frame striker fired semi auto in recent years, and that includes the VP9 and the Glock single stacks.

I think this is pretty typical for a brand new gun with a strict media release date- everyone is just releasing their pre-made content for it all at once.

I do want one of these but it seems pointless to make another platform switch for me. I've played with PPQ's before and thought the recoil felt worse than a G19 because of ergos (including that abysmal rubbery grip texture) and bore axis but liked the trigger. The PDP seems to improve on ergos substantially, now has a true full size model, and can accept a dot from the get go. I wish that companies would follow SIG's lead on dot mounting by just having slides milled for the RMR and DPP combo instead of trying to allow for every pattern under the sun to get a mounting plate that I don't care about.

[RevolverRob]

I wish that companies would follow SIG's lead on dot mounting by just having slides milled for the RMR and DPP combo instead of trying to allow for every pattern under the sun to get a mounting plate that I don't care about.

Plates are going to be the solution until someone invents a truly universal footprint (unlikely, since we have so damn many footprints now).

I had hoped with .MIL adoption of the P320, the DPP footprint would be 'the one', but so far that hasn't been the case. But we never know, if .MIL actually gets around to looking to adopt a pistol optic, then manufacturers may move to the DPP footprint full time to take a shot at the contract. Remains to be seen.

In any case, C&H Precision Weapons was one of the people apparently consulted about the RDS mount system for the PDP. And they make a goodly portion of their living designing and selling adapter plates. Besides, it doesn't behoove any manufacturer to ignore the market, by not allowing people to use their pet optic on a given gun, because then people just won't buy the gun.

[pastaslinger]

Plates are going to be the solution until someone invents a truly universal footprint (unlikely, since we have so damn many footprints now).

I had hoped with .MIL adoption of the P320, the DPP footprint would be 'the one', but so far that hasn't been the case. But we never know, if .MIL actually gets around to looking to adopt a pistol optic, then manufacturers may move to the DPP footprint full time to take a shot at the contract. Remains to be seen.

In any case, C&H Precision Weapons was one of the people apparently consulted about the RDS mount system for the PDP. And they make a goodly portion of their living designing and selling adapter plates. Besides, it doesn't behoove any manufacturer to ignore the market, by not allowing people to use their pet optic on a given gun, because then people just won't buy the gun.

I personally doubt that vortex, doctor, eotech, c-more, and burris are making significant proportions of pistol mounted red dots in 2021 hence why I think it at least makes sense to go with the SIG solution of RMR + DPP combo pattern. On the other hand, the best argument I see for staying with optic plates is for closed emitter sights that are very far from a mounting standard since there's so few of them.

I should add that SIG sells plenty of pistols with their mounting solution, and for the people that still desire the use of a different rds there are adapter plates available.

[GJM]

I am not personally getting the hype on this gun. I had several PPQs and P99s, and they were great guns. And they dropped the striker easily and didn't do anything the old Glock didn't do. I really liked them, but I can't say I miss them.

To me, this looks like a PPQ with Glock sight compatibility and an optic mount. Am I missing something?

It is certainly a logical improvement on the PPQ platform, and hopefully improves on the striker thing at the same time and should be a great option for current Walther shooters, but I don't see it prompting me to buy anything, and I need very little prompting to buy a new gun.


I don’t plan on buying this item, but I will still avoid madmen with deadblow hammers and practiced hands...

Let’s face it, despite your analysis, both of you would buy a Walther in a heart beat if you could shoot five to seven percent better with it on known drills, and I would second mortgage your house if I could shoot three percent better in matches with the new Walther. You are just hoping in this case, it is once again the Indian and not the arrow.

[Archer1440]

Let’s face it, despite your analysis, both of you would buy a Walther in a heart beat if you could shoot five to seven percent better with it on known drills, and I would second mortgage your house if I could shoot three percent better in matches with the new Walther. You are just hoping in this case, it is once again the Indian and not the arrow.


Of course, most people would buy anything that would, by itself, improve performance by 5-7%.

However, in my experience things like that don’t come along too often. We’ll see if the new shiny lives up to the hype that appears to be building. And, my “wait one or more years after introduction of shiny new pistol rule” still applies here. It has served me extremely well in the past, after all.

[Navin Johnson]

Played with all three sizes at LGS. FS grip is very good with enough "squareness" to index well.

Trigger is PPQ/VP9

A sear blocking safety away from a carry holster. Trigger is too short and light to be safe with a SCD IMHO.

Likely a good gamer.

Well thought out all the way around.

[Polecat]

Wonder if they will offer other types of triggers? Like the QA, AS, or M3 version like in Europe. Can’t imagine a lighter trigger than that on my M1 Q? I ordered the heavier trigger return for mine.

[Wendell]

I really appreciate the work that Walthers is putting into their pistols.

I like their promotional video, too:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPPxgyLs874

[pooty]

found a pic of the magwell, looks easier to load than the ppq
https://v6q9s5t8.ssl.hwcdn.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/IMG_8068-1024x768.jpg

[WaterDR]

found a pic of the magwell, looks easier to load than the ppq
https://v6q9s5t8.ssl.hwcdn.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/IMG_8068-1024x768.jpg

I am an instructor at a local shop/range. Walked in this morning at 9:15. Was surprised to see 10 of these in the case and one available as a rental. I grabbed the rental for my class...basic pistol class. By 2 pm there were three left. I bought one.

Came back later in the evening and ran about 100 rounds through it.

The gun is fantastic. The trigger is outstanding. The grip and serrations are fantastic. It might be the best gun on the market for the price. Adjustable rear sights. Shot low right for 3 of us. Easy to adjust. Tight groups....really tight groups. Three dot sights are a little old school, but the front post is thin.

A red dot is going on ASAP anyway.

For kicks, I am going to run the gun in bullseye league Monday. I usually use a Sig p210 (red dot), Shadow 2 (red dot) or a Q5 (red dot) I’ll report back on my score. No mounting plate yet on the PDP, but I think the results will be interesting.

I had no intent on buying this gun today. Didn’t even read or watch a single review. Just fired a few rounds through the rental while teaching and had to have one.

[GJM]

Walther has put out a list of holsters available now, and parts compatibility between the new pistols and the PPQ — I am impressed with what they are doing to support this intro.

https://www.waltherforums.com/threads/new-walther-9mm-pdp-fs.125617/page-7

[revchuck38]

It's interesting to note that some of the parts hearken back to the P99. If it ain't broke...

[Lex Luthier]

I wasn't crazy about the video ad, but I'm not their market either.

Walther is doing a phenomenal job getting this pistol rolled out to market. If there are no hidden flaws or serious weak points to the design, They have just gained quite a bit more market share.

[WobblyPossum]

If Walther has fixed the striker dropping issue, I might pick one up down the road just to mess around with.

[tlong17]

I wasn't crazy about the video ad, but I'm not their market either.

Walther is doing a phenomenal job getting this pistol rolled out to market. If there are no hidden flaws or serious weak points to the design, They have just gained quite a bit more market share.

Ad was a little cringe for me too. Doesn’t take anything away from what appears to be a solid option. They did a great job with the launch.

[Archer1440]

If you have an Expertvoice membership you can get a substantial discount on this item.

I’m still not seeing plates for ACRO despite the promotional materials that have released highlighting that particular optic.

https://waltherarms.com/optic-plate-request/

[Erick Gelhaus]

We'll do lefty. The plan is to do lefty for all new stuff and consider the costs doubled and just soak it up.

Acknowledgment that left-handers exist and need holsters ... ^^^ ... is the most exciting part of the Walther release.

[Polecat]

Looked one over today, the compact, nice changes. The serrations don't seem as severe in real life, Thank God. Have an M1 PPQ may have to try one. Would love to see sub and micro compact in this line

[WaterDR]

Looked one over today, the compact, nice changes. The serrations don't seem as severe in real life, Thank God. Have an M1 PPQ may have to try one. Would love to see sub and micro compact in this line

A PPS/PDP would be terrific. Single stack, optic ready, 10 rounds minimum

[Kirk]

Just got my first PDP Compact in.

Pros - Grip texture is awesome, ergos are great for my hands, solid stock adjustable sights, magwell is better than the PPQ, and the trigger is light/short reset (maybe a little more takeup than the PPQ which I personally like for a gun that I'll both carry and compete with).

Cons - trigger reset is not as positive as I'd like, but honestly that won't matter very much when shooting fast/competing.

My plan was to put an Acro on this thing and keep the stock sights, but I'm not seeing an option for the Acro plate despite the Vickers intro with him running an Acro. Will email them and see if I can track one down.

[David S.]

Just got my first PDP Compact in.

Pros - Grip texture is awesome, ergos are great for my hands, solid stock adjustable sights, magwell is better than the PPQ, and the trigger is light/short reset (maybe a little more takeup than the PPQ which I personally like for a gun that I'll both carry and compete with).

Cons - trigger reset is not as positive as I'd like, but honestly that won't matter very much when shooting fast/competing.

My plan was to put an Acro on this thing and keep the stock sights, but I'm not seeing an option for the Acro plate despite the Vickers intro with him running an Acro. Will email them and see if I can track one down.

https://www.recoilweb.com/walther-pdp-match-grade-performance-and-bar-brawl-toughness-165755.html

Walther will be providing factory plates for RMR, DeltaPoint Pro, and Vortex pattern optics. But they’re also working with C&H Precision to make aftermarket plates available for the Aimpoint ACRO/Holosun 509T and RMRcc, as well as the RMR/ SRO/507/508 and Vortex. As an added bonus, the PDP will accept any Glock-pattern iron sights, giving you a plethora of options right out the gate regardless of whether iron sights are your primary or backup option.


Note on the chpws (https://chpws.com/) home page, they have the ACRO mounted on a PDP. I don't search very deep, but didn't see an obvious way to order it yet.

[Kirk]

https://www.recoilweb.com/walther-pdp-match-grade-performance-and-bar-brawl-toughness-165755.html



Note on the chpws (https://chpws.com/) home page, they have the ACRO mounted on a PDP. I don't search very deep, but didn't see an obvious way to order it yet.

Awesome man, thanks for the info! I'm going to throw a holosun on it until I can get one of the Acro plates, hopefully it'll be available soon.

For those thinking of ordering a PDP for competition like I did, you might want to just go ahead and order 2 lol. Mags for the M2 PPQ (fits the compact) are nearly impossible to find, and I can only assume that PDP mags themselves for the full size will be equally scarce. I realize *all* hi-cap mags are scarce now, but there aren't even price gougers selling M2 mags on GB.

[David S.]

67842

[skydiver]

Picked mine up on Friday. Have a Holosun 509T on the way, C&H has the plates completed and is shipping them to Walther this week. I'm loving it so far!


https://i.postimg.cc/63Dvqwcr/Walther-PDP.jpg

[GJM]

Picked mine up on Friday. Have a Holosun 509T on the way, C&H has the plates completed and is shipping them to Walther this week. I'm loving it so far!


https://i.postimg.cc/63Dvqwcr/Walther-PDP.jpg

I see you are in TX, how did it do in the cold? :p

[skydiver]

I see you are in TX, how did it do in the cold? :p

I picked it up at RifleGear and walked my happy butt 20 feet over to their indoor range, haha!

[RevolverRob]

67842

Okay fine.

I'll admit it.

For the first time ever an ACRO mounted on a pistol has my attention. Getting it this low on the gun makes a difference to me.

I want to see how the PDP does in terms of performance overall. And whether or not the striker can be dropped with a hard reload like the PPQ.

[call_me_ski]

So I just messed with the compact. It is great, except that it still has that pronounced thumb ridge near the trigger guard that diggs into the middle finger of my firing hand. Hopefully I’ll get a chance to shoot one and I still want to handle the full-size.

[Kirk]

I just picked up my full size with 4" slide (G45 type model). Gotta say, for me, this is going to be really tough to beat if it performs like I expect. My only concern with the full size is magazine availability, but hopefully Walther will address that.

[GJM]

I have a 4.5 inbound.

Handled the Q4 SF again today, and love the feel except for the short grip.

[Vandal320]

I impulse bought a PDP Full Size today.

[Vandal320]

Shameless self promotion!
67685


I think Walther is doing a ton of the right things on this. Will they take over the world? Probably not, but they have a great pistol with a great support network and they are aware of what it's gonna take to win any market share.
orionz06 will that holster fit a PDP Full Size, or only the Compact, or will it fit all of the PDP Versions? Thanks!

[orionz06]

orionz06 will that holster fit a PDP Full Size, or only the Compact, or will it fit all of the PDP Versions? Thanks!

All of them.

[Hstanton1]

Can anybody comment on how the full size PDP compares to a g17 in terms of grip length? I’m thinking it might conceal a little better in AIWB just because it doesn’t have the corner or the magazine protruding, but if the grip is longer than a g17s I’ll be going for the compact.

[Ndbbm]

Can anybody comment on how the full size PDP compares to a g17 in terms of grip length? I’m thinking it might conceal a little better in AIWB just because it doesn’t have the corner or the magazine protruding, but if the grip is longer than a g17s I’ll be going for the compact.

I just played with the full size gripped model a bit ago in a Bass Pro (so no luck trying the trigger). I really liked the grip but thought it was a bit longer than a Glock 17. I also really liked the slide.

I just checked websites, the Glock 17.5 is 5.47 in and the DPD is 5.7

Jason

[Vandal320]

All of them.
Thank you Sir! I will order a Holster tonight.

[stinx]

I am going to buy the compact as soon as its available in my area. I know that the sight cuts are for Glock sights, my question is which Glock sights, Gen 3 & 4 or gen 5? on glocks there is a difference in poi between the sights

[GJM]

I am going to buy the compact as soon as its available in my area. I know that the sight cuts are for Glock sights, my question is which Glock sights, Gen 3 & 4 or gen 5? on glocks there is a difference in poi between the sights

Safest answer is to shoot the PDP with factory sights, observe POI, measure those sights and choose accordingly.

[Hstanton1]

I just played with the full size gripped model a bit ago in a Bass Pro (so no luck trying the trigger). I really liked the grip but thought it was a bit longer than a Glock 17. I also really liked the slide.

I just checked websites, the Glock 17.5 is 5.47 in and the DPD is 5.7

Jason

Oh well, hopefully they come out with a slim mag well or something for the compact to add just a tad more length.

[VT1032]

I haven't had a chance to read the whole thread, so sorry if this was already addressed, but is it still a fully tensioned striker or did the internals change at all. I dig on the PPQ but the trigger is just a little too "good" for me to be comfortable with on a defensive gun.

[Vandal320]

It has a very good if not better PPQ Trigger.

[Hstanton1]

I haven't had a chance to read the whole thread, so sorry if this was already addressed, but is it still a fully tensioned striker or did the internals change at all. I dig on the PPQ but the trigger is just a little too "good" for me to be comfortable with on a defensive gun.

As far as I know, it’s still a fully tensioned striker. Apparently they lightened the take up on the trigger to accentuate the wall, but I can’t say what that feels like as I’ve never played with one. The trigger on a regular PPQ is already pretty light.

With all the other positives the gun brings to the table, I’m not sure how I feel having a light trigger on a defensive gun honestly. Sure, I’d prefer to have a manual safety or striker control device, but the way I set my AIWB holsters up paired with good reholstering technique make me feel safe enough that not having a striker control device or safety isn’t a deal breaker by itself.

It probably won’t make a great threat management gun, but LE have been doing threat management with glock triggers for a while now.

Mostly I’m just excited to shoot this thing, it’s thoroughly interesting.

[Kirk]

Can anybody comment on how the full size PDP compares to a g17 in terms of grip length? I’m thinking it might conceal a little better in AIWB just because it doesn’t have the corner or the magazine protruding, but if the grip is longer than a g17s I’ll be going for the compact.

As mentioned previously, its about. 25 inch longer than the G17. It's a little shorter than a CZ P09 or P10F with mag inserted.

[GJM]

I have noticed that, surprisingly, thefirearmblog.com has had zero coverage of the new Walther — wonder if they are tied up with a major manufacturer?

[Vandal320]

The PDP takes Glock sights. Should I get sights for a G17 or G19 to put on mine?

[Wendell]

I have noticed that, surprisingly, thefirearmblog.com has had zero coverage of the new Walther — wonder if they are tied up with a major manufacturer?

The squeaky wheel gets the grease:

New Flagship Handgun from Walther Arms: Performance Duty Pistol (PDP) (https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2021/02/23/walther-performance-duty-pistol-pdp/)
Posted 1 hour ago in Daily News (https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/category/daily-news/), Product Announcement (https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/category/product-announcement/), Semi-Auto (https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/category/guns-gear/pistols/semi-auto/) by Eric B (https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/author/erik-b/) with 2 Comments (https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2021/02/23/walther-performance-duty-pistol-pdp/#disqus_thread)

[Kirk]

Just got my full size in. I now own all 3 models. Also received the shipping notification from Walther on 1 of my optics plates, only took 1 business day.

[GJM]

Just got my full size in. I now own all 3 models. Also received the shipping notification from Walther on 1 of my optics plates, only took 1 business day.

That is certainly one way of getting some extra 18 round magazines.

[AJLooch]

Big question is where are you guys finding them at?

[Elwin]

Quick note I just thought of RE magazines and collecting a reasonable number for the full size being a potential issue - my recollection is that because Caniks are copies of the P99/PPQ, the PPQ M2 and the Canik pistols share magazines, though the Canik mags are full sized (compared to the "compact" PPQ) and stick out of the grip. It's possible that they would fit and feed in a full size PDP. But it's also possible that they're just a bit too long or too short.

[zaitcev]

The squeaky wheel gets the grease:
It was all a psychological operation aimed to drive clicks to TFB site, as every reader at Pistol-Forum rushed to prove how wrong member GJM was.

[Casual Friday]

It was all a psychological operation aimed to drive clicks to TFB site, as every reader at Pistol-Forum rushed to prove how wrong member GJM was.

Spoiler alert/plot twist....

GJM is TFB.

[Kirk]

Quick note I just thought of RE magazines and collecting a reasonable number for the full size being a potential issue - my recollection is that because Caniks are copies of the P99/PPQ, the PPQ M2 and the Canik pistols share magazines, though the Canik mags are full sized (compared to the "compact" PPQ) and stick out of the grip. It's possible that they would fit and feed in a full size PDP. But it's also possible that they're just a bit too long or too short.

Yep, I'm planning to test this out soon. The Canik is .02" shorter, but I'm thinking it might work.

I know the Canik mags will feed in a PPQ if they fit (they are both using MecGars), so this could be a really big plus for the PDP if the mags fit. I'll post what I find out soon

[revchuck38]

Just got my full size in. I now own all 3 models. Also received the shipping notification from Walther on 1 of my optics plates, only took 1 business day.

Targets or it's all vaporware!

[Navin Johnson]

If it hasn't been mentioned the slide is thick.

[Tommyk42]

So I just messed with the compact. It is great, except that it still has that pronounced thumb ridge near the trigger guard that diggs into the middle finger of my firing hand. Hopefully I’ll get a chance to shoot one and I still want to handle the full-size.

I just got mine home earlier today and while dry firing noticed what you mentioned. It does dig into your middle finger a bit. I think walther should have left that part out. Hopefully it's not too annoying when I shoot it.

[Elwin]

All of them.

Quick mostly-related question. Do we know if PPQs will fit in PDP holsters? I ask because if so, it seems those of us with PPQs will have a lot more holster options.

[orionz06]

Quick mostly-related question. Do we know if PPQs will fit in PDP holsters? I ask because if so, it seems those of us with PPQs will have a lot more holster options.

Most will fit in mine, but I did some legwork to make the bounding shape work.

[GJM]

Most will fit in mine, but I did some legwork to make the bounding shape work.

Are the new Walther holsters on the website yet?

[orionz06]

Are the new Walther holsters on the website yet?

https://darkstargear.com/product/walther/

[fly out]

Spoiler alert/plot twist....

GJM is TFB.

There's only one flaw in that theory. ("Only one?") GJM has posted plenty of videos and I don't ever recall seeing him in Richard Simmons shorts or assless chaps.

Back on topic, I have a compact backordered and I'm looking forward to playing around with it.

[GJM]

My full size arrived at the LGS today.

First impressions — picking the full size up, it felt almost as if some took a PPQ and made a cardboard shell to contain it. Where the PPQ is pretty sleek, this is APX kind of boxy. I liked the slide serrations. The optics cut looks low. If you can use standard height sights as BUIS, that will be awesome. Trigger was excellent as an out of the box trigger. The texture was nice for carry, but I would use chalk or want more grip for competition. The pistol feels lightweight, because it is. If someone told me this is the world’s best air-soft pistol, I would believe them. The magazines are typical MecGar nice. The magwell is more M&P like than Gen 5 Glock.

Took it immediately to the range. Only shot PMC 115 and it fed everything and threw the brass out. The sights appeared on or pretty close, but need replacement as they are three dot and tight. Recoil impulse felt good. I really need a red dot mounted and my CompTac holster to arrive to know more, although my sense is it will not be replacing my five inch CORE pistols for gaming.

Assuming these are reliable and durable, I think they are a useful addition to optics ready carry guns. My gut says they will be easier to shoot than a Glock for most shooters because of the trigger and grip angle. Walther gets credit for putting together an attractive product.

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[Hstanton1]

My full size arrived at the LGS today.

First impressions — picking the full size up, it felt almost as if some took a PPQ and made a cardboard shell to contain it. Where the PPQ is pretty sleek, this is APX kind of boxy. I liked the slide serrations. The optics cut looks low. If you can use standard height sights as BUIS, that will be awesome. Trigger was excellent as an out of the box trigger. The texture was nice for carry, but I would use chalk or want more grip for competition. The pistol feels lightweight, because it is. If someone told me this is the world’s best air-soft pistol, I would believe them. The magazines are typical MecGar nice. The magwell is more M&P like than Gen 5 Glock.

Took it immediately to the range. Only shot PMC 115 and it fed everything and threw the brass out. The sights appeared on or pretty close, but need replacement as they are three dot and tight. Recoil impulse felt good. I really need a red dot mounted and my CompTac holster to arrive to know more, although my sense is it will not be replacing my five inch CORE pistols for gaming.

Assuming these are reliable and durable, I think they are a useful addition to optics ready carry guns. My gut says they will be easier to shoot than a Glock for most shooters because of the trigger and grip angle. Walther gets credit for putting together an attractive product.

68084

Does this create the same issue with the base of your thumb knuckle that you mentioned with the PPQ?

[WobblyPossum]

My full size arrived at the LGS today.

First impressions — picking the full size up, it felt almost as if some took a PPQ and made a cardboard shell to contain it. Where the PPQ is pretty sleek, this is APX kind of boxy. I liked the slide serrations. The optics cut looks low. If you can use standard height sights as BUIS, that will be awesome. Trigger was excellent as an out of the box trigger. The texture was nice for carry, but I would use chalk or want more grip for competition. The pistol feels lightweight, because it is. If someone told me this is the world’s best air-soft pistol, I would believe them. The magazines are typical MecGar nice. The magwell is more M&P like than Gen 5 Glock.

Took it immediately to the range. Only shot PMC 115 and it fed everything and threw the brass out. The sights appeared on or pretty close, but need replacement as they are three dot and tight. Recoil impulse felt good. I really need a red dot mounted and my CompTac holster to arrive to know more, although my sense is it will not be replacing my five inch CORE pistols for gaming.

Assuming these are reliable and durable, I think they are a useful addition to optics ready carry guns. My gut says they will be easier to shoot than a Glock for most shooters because of the trigger and grip angle. Walther gets credit for putting together an attractive product.

68084

Did you observe any issues with the striker falling from vigorous reloads like you saw with the PPQ?

[GJM]

Does this create the same issue with the base of your thumb knuckle that you mentioned with the PPQ?

I don’t think so but would need to shoot thousands of rounds to know for sure. The beaver tail area is quite different in the PDP, more like a Q4 SF.


Did you observe any issues with the striker falling from vigorous reloads like you saw with the PPQ?

I didn’t test for that as I didn’t have a holster and rig. In fairness, I think that was an earlier POQ issue that Walther fixed over time.

[Mjolnir]

I am going to buy the compact as soon as its available in my area. I know that the sight cuts are for Glock sights, my question is which Glock sights, Gen 3 & 4 or gen 5? on glocks there is a difference in poi between the sights

Choose Night Fision for your sights. They are moelonited so they won't rust. They have a very visible ring around their tritium which seems to be a little bit brighter than normal and... if you're mounting an RMR the sights will just clear the RMR housing so they will not clutter your view of the dot. The best thing? They are like $100.


NIGHT FISION OPTICS READY STEALTH SERIES FOR GLOCK

https://www.nightfision.com/product/night-fision-optics-ready-stealth-series-for-glock

[GJM]

Choose Night Fision for your sights. They are moelonited so they won't rust. They have a very visible ring around their tritium which seems to be a little bit brighter than normal and... if you're mounting an RMR the sights will just clear the RMR housing so they will not clutter your view of the dot. The best thing? They are like $100.


NIGHT FISION OPTICS READY STEALTH SERIES FOR GLOCK

https://www.nightfision.com/product/night-fision-optics-ready-stealth-series-for-glock

How sharp is the rear?

[Kirk]

My full size arrived at the LGS today.

First impressions — picking the full size up, it felt almost as if some took a PPQ and made a cardboard shell to contain it. Where the PPQ is pretty sleek, this is APX kind of boxy. I liked the slide serrations. The optics cut looks low. If you can use standard height sights as BUIS, that will be awesome. Trigger was excellent as an out of the box trigger. The texture was nice for carry, but I would use chalk or want more grip for competition. The pistol feels lightweight, because it is. If someone told me this is the world’s best air-soft pistol, I would believe them. The magazines are typical MecGar nice. The magwell is more M&P like than Gen 5 Glock.

Took it immediately to the range. Only shot PMC 115 and it fed everything and threw the brass out. The sights appeared on or pretty close, but need replacement as they are three dot and tight. Recoil impulse felt good. I really need a red dot mounted and my CompTac holster to arrive to know more, although my sense is it will not be replacing my five inch CORE pistols for gaming.

Assuming these are reliable and durable, I think they are a useful addition to optics ready carry guns. My gut says they will be easier to shoot than a Glock for most shooters because of the trigger and grip angle. Walther gets credit for putting together an attractive product.

68084

Unfortunately, my 507c doesn't co-witness with the BUIS. I had to order Ameriglo suppressor heights (GL611s are on for me with 115gr Speer).

I spoke with Walther today and they will have optic plates available for purchase "within 2 weeks."

[GJM]

My SRO/RMR/Holosun plate arrived from Walther today — that was quick. What screws do I use to secure the plate to the slide?

[GJM]

My SRO/RMR/Holosun plate arrived from Walther today — that was quick. What screws do I use to secure the plate to the slide?

Think I answered my own question, I used the OEM screws that held the optics filler plate on the slide, just like the VP9. What screws are recommended for the SRO/RMR to the plate?

[GJM]

The PDP optics cut really mounts the optic down low.

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68243

[Mjolnir]

Quick note I just thought of RE magazines and collecting a reasonable number for the full size being a potential issue - my recollection is that because Caniks are copies of the P99/PPQ, the PPQ M2 and the Canik pistols share magazines, though the Canik mags are full sized (compared to the "compact" PPQ) and stick out of the grip. It's possible that they would fit and feed in a full size PDP. But it's also possible that they're just a bit too long or too short.

Canik magazines DO fit. They are identical and made by Mec-Gar.

How do I know?

The local store has both and we interchanged them and used snap caps. They work.

[GJM]

Canik magazines DO fit. They are identical and made by Mec-Gar.

How do I know?

The local store has both and we interchanged them and used snap caps. They work.

I tried a Canik 20, a MecGar 18 with their factory plus two extension, and it snapped into place perfectly in my PDP.

Hit the range with it this morning. Went to zero the SRO, fired a shot at 15 yards, fired a second and couldn’t see it. Went to the target, and both were in the same hole. I did not have time to do formal 25 yard testing, but in zeroing and some casual shooting, this thing is a tack driver.

I didn’t have a holster, so I did some table starts shooting steel and a partial paper to get a feel, and this gun is very easy to shoot. Walther appears to have a real winner here.


https://youtu.be/4uK-fLnb26U

[Kirk]

I tried a Canik 20, a MecGar 18 with their factory plus two extension, and it snapped into place perfectly in my PDP.

Hit the range with it this morning. Went to zero the SRO, fired a shot at 15 yards, fired a second and couldn’t see it. Went to the target, and both were in the same hole. I did not have time to do formal 25 yard testing, but in zeroing and some casual shooting, this thing is a tack driver.

I didn’t have a holster, so I did some table starts shooting steel and a partial paper to get a feel, and this gun is very easy to shoot. Walther appears to have a real winner here.


https://youtu.be/4uK-fLnb26U

Nice! Is this the 20 round mag you are referring to? I have a buddy with a TP9SFX who I believe I can purchase some of these mags from.

[GJM]

Nice! Is this the 20 round mag you are referring to? I have a buddy with a TP9SFX who I believe I can purchase some of these mags from.

Yes

[GJM]

CHPWS has PDP plates on the website.

[Lex Luthier]

I tried a Canik 20, a MecGar 18 with their factory plus two extension, and it snapped into place perfectly in my PDP.

Hit the range with it this morning. Went to zero the SRO, fired a shot at 15 yards, fired a second and couldn’t see it. Went to the target, and both were in the same hole. I did not have time to do formal 25 yard testing, but in zeroing and some casual shooting, this thing is a tack driver.

I didn’t have a holster, so I did some table starts shooting steel and a partial paper to get a feel, and this gun is very easy to shoot. Walther appears to have a real winner here.


https://youtu.be/4uK-fLnb26U

This makes me very happy to see. I hope to get a chance to shoot a 4" bbl compact frame model at the end of the week.

[Polecat]

Should of put large u notch serrated all black rear and night fision front installed. Hate factory 3 dot, they seem too close together and strange, def a weak part of the package.

[DpdG]

I think at this point a manufacturer producing a pistol as a RDS host would be wise to put something economical on from factory (read plastic dovetail protectors). Between simple personal preference and the varying heights needed for different optics, it doesn't make sense to factory install (and pass on cost to consumer) premium iron sights.

[Tensaw]

I think at this point a manufacturer producing a pistol as a RDS host would be wise to put something economical on from factory (read plastic dovetail protectors). Between simple personal preference and the varying heights needed for different optics, it doesn't make sense to factory install (and pass on cost to consumer) premium iron sights.

Bwahahahaha!!!! Have you not been paying attention to every (youtube) reviewer of Glocks? Don’t you know that Gaston should be flogged for the plastic placeholders?!? C’mon man, get with it! Well, you and I, at least, agree on this - although we may be the only two folks on the planet who do. I would much rather ditch the plastic placeholders and get my preferred sights rather than pay a premium for what someone else thinks I should want.

[DpdG]

Bwahahahaha!!!! Have you not been paying attention to every (youtube) reviewer of Glocks? Don’t you know that Gaston should be flogged for the plastic placeholders?!? C’mon man, get with it! Well, you and I, at least, agree on this - although we may be the only two folks on the planet who do. I would much rather ditch the plastic placeholders and get my preferred sights rather than pay a premium for what someone else thinks I should want.

This isn't about or even related to the typical Glock plastic sight rants. I believe manufacturers should put durable metal sights on a iron sight gun. If it's a factory optics installed gun, like Sig RX models or the Hellcat sold with a mounted optic, then it should get appropriate height metal sights.

Specifically on an optics host that is almost assuredly going to get some sort of red dot installed by the customer (MOS, CORE, PDP, etc....), that's where the plastic dovetail protectors are appropriate in my view.

[olstyn]

I would much rather ditch the plastic placeholders and get my preferred sights rather than pay a premium for what someone else thinks I should want.

Hell, if you give me $5 or $10 off of the price of the gun, I'd be happy to take it with no sights at all - I know I'm just going to throw a Dawson fiber optic on the front and some form of all black sight on the rear anyway.

[GJM]

Video on the Walther optic mounting system.


https://youtu.be/2cJRb8GodJ8

[Hstanton1]

Video on the Walther optic mounting system.


https://youtu.be/2cJRb8GodJ8

Interesting. From my non engineering background he certainly seems to bring up some good points, I’m surprised we haven’t heard about these breaking based on how long they’ve been in the hands of folks like Blowers and Jedlinski though. Especially since he gives it a month before we see these start to break.

Isn’t Buck from CHPWS on this forum? I’d love to see his take on this.

[Eyesquared]

I do have a mechanical engineering degree myself although I don't work in the field. I would like to see some math from anyone speaking in absolutes about something breaking. Not having any bearing surfaces for the plate (other than the front and back of the cut) is kind of odd and I don't really understand why Walther didn't do something different. However, my first impression is that should be easily addressed with a plate that has a tight front to back fit just like how the Glock MOS system has been rehabilitated by aftermarket plates.

[GJM]

I do have a mechanical engineering degree myself although I don't work in the field. I would like to see some math from anyone speaking in absolutes about something breaking. Not having any bearing surfaces for the plate (other than the front and back of the cut) is kind of odd and I don't really understand why Walther didn't do something different. However, my first impression is that should be easily addressed with a plate that has a tight front to back fit just like how the Glock MOS system has been rehabilitated by aftermarket plates.

That was my thought as well. I ordered a 509T plate from CHPWS and I’m curious if the fit is tighter. When I installed the Trijicon plate that came from Walther, I noted that the fit seemed a bit sloppy.

[orionz06]

I do have a mechanical engineering degree myself although I don't work in the field. I would like to see some math from anyone speaking in absolutes about something breaking. Not having any bearing surfaces for the plate (other than the front and back of the cut) is kind of odd and I don't really understand why Walther didn't do something different. However, my first impression is that should be easily addressed with a plate that has a tight front to back fit just like how the Glock MOS system has been rehabilitated by aftermarket plates.

I don't have any plates for mine, but that was my suspicion as well. YouTuber might not be wrong, but he may just not have identified the entirety of the situation, which is too common.

[Archer1440]

If this becomes an actual issue, someone will probably come up with a plate with nubs to engage a couple of those Grand Canyon serrations back there.

[dfeder530]

Haven't seen this brought up yet, but has any one else tried putting on an X300U-A on the rail? Mine has enough slop that the light wobbles up, down, left and right. Same light on a Glock 19 Gen 5 locks up solid.

[Hstanton1]

Haven't seen this brought up yet, but has any one else tried putting on an X300U-A on the rail? Mine has enough slop that the light wobbles up, down, left and right. Same light on a Glock 19 Gen 5 locks up solid.

What rail key are you using? The x300u-a comes with the Glock universal key installed, but includes a picatinny key (which locks up very tight on gen 5 guns) and a rail lock key, which may be what you need to try using if you’re getting slop with the picatinny key.

[dfeder530]

What rail key are you using? The x300u-a comes with the Glock universal key installed, but includes a picatinny key (which locks up very tight on gen 5 guns) and a rail lock key, which may be what you need to try using if you’re getting slop with the picatinny key.

I am using the picatinny key for both the Glock and Walther. I know there is a tensioner you can add on to the light, but the side to side slop makes me wonder if the rail is supposed to actually be picatinny.

[YVK]

My main match gun was a salvage job, direct slide re-mill from one optic to another, no bosses, no lugs. Round count in five digits. After watching that video I guess I gotta expect something to break soon.

[Archer1440]

If the plate isn’t tight fore and aft, I would say it’s a legitimate concern identified in that video.

Factory plates are already shipped to some people, if it turns out they have a fore and aft press-fit (and hopefully are made of steel) then I would say that lug issue would be much less of a concern.

Glock MOS plates have a very small lug but a bit of wiggle room, and break with some regularity.

[jeep45238]

Video on the Walther optic mounting system.


https://youtu.be/2cJRb8GodJ8

All I see is clickbait title with claims that something WILL break - just like everything on this planet will. I'm sad to not see recoil lugs, but if tolerances are held correctly for the plates and the slide, and the screws aren't brittle, I'm not really seeing a long term issue from shooting this. The plate doesn't really move laterally, it moves longitudinally along with the recoil impulse.

[Kirk]

My thoughts are that if this becomes an issue, there will be a plate to address it.

I'd also be stunned if Walther didn't test the mounting system heavily before release. Not because I trust Walther specifically or because firearm manufacturers don't screw up quality control/design, but because this can easily be tested by just throwing an optic on and firing 50k rounds. It should be a super easy test for a manufacturer who I'd assume wants to win government contracts.

[Eyesquared]

From what I remember from undergrad mechanical design class, calculating whether/when the screws will shear in this application (transverse forces + vibrations involved) is not trivial. Anyone can wiggle an optics plate and say something but if he wants to throw his credentials around I think he should demonstrate that he is using the tools and techniques of his education VS just wiggling stuff.

Also the recoil bosses aren't strictly necessary if the front and back fit in the cut is snug, they will do the exact same thing mechanically (apart from preventing lateral forces on the screws, which I would expect to be minimal). The SIG cut he likes is not really that great. The way they did it (cutting into the slide, which accepts a recoil lug on the plate) is probably cheap for them to machine, but is also such that it makes it more expensive to machine a plate with a recoil lug, so nobody does that AFAIK.

Edit: I was wrong about that last one. CHPWS does machine a X5 legion plate with recoil lugs. My Springer plate lacks one.

[Trukinjp13]

Maybe this is why Walther defense asked chpws to build plates for them.


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[octagon]

This also could be greatly mitigated by replacing the screws when changing the battery every year or so depending on battery life for the optic. How much are screws a couple bucks?

[Wayne Dobbs]

Damn, I was worried that we didn't have enough polymer striker fired pistols. Glad Walther saved us.

[orionz06]

I'm trying to find out if it's a tight fit plate that would use the entire front and rear of the plate as a lug, or if somehow they've decided it's a slip critical joint and the lower mounting has enough of an impact to reduce the moments and what not.

[HTM]

Damn, I was worried that we didn't have enough polymer striker fired pistols. Glad Walther saved us.

Wayne Dobbs for the win.


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[Wepeel]

Not sure about that video. It's mostly the certainty with which he states things that's questionable.

The screws aren't the only thing providing the shear resistance... once the fasteners are torqued properly, that creates the compressive force between the plate and slide, which creates friction, which also provides locating force in the same directions a the shear from the screws.

Claiming that the fasteners "aren't designed to provide shear force" is a little misleading - whether or not something is designed to do a particular thing depends on what the rating of the thing is compared to what it's being asked to do. All fasteners will have an amount of shear they can resist, so the question is is the force on the screws, after the friction between the plate and slide are factored in, greater than what they're rated for.

Wheels on cars are similar - the force that keeps them on the hub is actually the frictional force between the wheel and the hub. The lugs serve to create enough compressive force so the frictional force is great enough (this is why torque specs are important). The studs actually don't carry much shear. This is why if you get aftermarket wheels with a larger centerbore than OEM, centering rings aren't necessary (although they make mounting easier). If the lugs are undertorqued that will pass shear to the studs and they will fail.

It is notable that the Walther design is different than the others, and that may indicate that the Walther design may be insufficient (or that the other designs are overkill). But I'm curious if those other mounting provisions on the the other guns are there to offload shear resistance or to make locating the plate initially more consistent (like a wheel centering ring). And as others have stated, if the fit of the plate is tight enough, none of this would matter.

The CZ design is nice though, as it provides locating force front/back and left/right.

I guess time will tell.

[HCountyGuy]

The video seems to bring up a viable point (at least from my limited understanding) but at the same time knowing about who was involved in the T&E of this gun and its mounting system I'm willing to wager if it was as problematic as this guy suggests those folks would've already said something and had it addressed. Granted we've seen respected industry people shill for defective products in the past, but I don't think the entirety of the group involved would let something like a potential mounting issue slide given how at least Jedi goes after Glock's crappy OEM plates.

Are AsianJedi and CH Precision Weapons hanging about still and willing to address the video?


Side note, LGS finally got ONE of the PDPs in recently. Honestly like the feel of it as the grip is nicely textured without being too aggressive, though I would've liked something with just a bit more bite. Dry-firing the trigger it's easily the best out-of-the-box trigger I've felt, even better than the PPQ. Walther seems to have a winner on their hand and I'm always welcoming of more options in the market of RDS-centric firearms.

[GJM]

My CHPWS plate for the 509T arrived today, and it seems to provide more support for the optic than the OEM plate for the RMR/SRO/Holosun.

[GJM]

These pistols are pretty lightweight, it would be great if they brought a steel frame version of the full size out for competition.

[Archer1440]

My CHPWS plate for the 509T arrived today, and it seems to provide more support for the optic than the OEM plate for the RMR/SRO/Holosun.

Interesting, I had the impression that the OEM plates were also made by CHPWS. One wonders, if that is in fact true, why there would be a difference.

[DpdG]

The factory RMR/SRO/Holosun plate appears to be MIM and does not utilize C&H’s typical threaded T nuts, so I’d venture it’s not C&H.

[GJM]

I got to shoot my full size PDP for the first time out of a holster today. It is flat out a great shooter. The trigger has an awesome feel that is very conducive to low prob shots, like shooting Garcia dots. This is just messing around shooting doubles on steel, to get a feel for the pistol. I liked it enough that I ordered a Compact, another full size and Taylor Freelance 140 extensions.


https://youtu.be/CJNvnTTL3is

[GJM]

My wife took a dremel to the PDP mag well and improved it.

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[Lex Luthier]

My wife took a dremel to the PDP mag well and improved it.

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I guess George & Charlie are all-in then!

What would you think about carrying the PDP versus say, your previous PPQs, or a Gen 5 Glock 19/17?

[GJM]

I guess George & Charlie are all-in then!

What would you think about carrying the PDP versus say, your previous PPQs, or a Gen 5 Glock 19/17?

My preference is to always carry something that is a scaled version of what I am competing with. In terms of carrying a PDP, it is far to early to know. Shooting a PDP some in competition is a great way for me to gather data and learn more about the strengths and weaknesses of this pistol. Ergonomically, it way better for me than a PPQ, because the PPQ beat the base of my strong thumb so badly, it raised a large welt that took months of shooting something else to go away. I also found the PPQ grip too short for my liking. The PDP’s length and beavertail design solves both those issues for me. Sights and mounting an optic with BUIS a were also issues for me with the PPQ, and the PDP fixes those issues as well. Otherwise, I loved shooting the PPQ in terms of accuracy and trigger feel. The magwell is also better than the PPQ, although this is mostly a gaming consideration.

[Mjolnir]

How sharp is the rear?

Pretty sharp but you can break the corners with an appropriate stone.

[Mjolnir]

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I thought (for a briefest of seconds) that was a Striker Control Device...

[GJM]

I had a complete hoot shooting my PDP this morning, and ended up spending the whole session shooting it. Initially, I couldn’t draw the thing for crap, and realized all those serrations on the slide were hanging up on the Comp Tac holster. Nothing some Lucas oil couldn’t fix.

The PDP seemed to shoot 150 Syntech, 115 PMC and my 147 lead reloads to about the same POI. The heavier bullets felt less snappy than the 115, but I didn’t put the various loads on a timer to get data. I put an X300 on, and it definitely calmed the dot, but I don’t have a holster set up yet to run it with the light.

I am not a fast splitter, but saw some .13 and .15 splits with the stock PDP trigger. The trigger is conducive to shooting fast with minimal side to side dispersion. I am still figuring it out, but it inspires me to push. He is some messing around with it.


https://youtu.be/Er58NWpiBqI

[Archer1440]

Interesting comparison here between the VP9 and the PDP compact. Weirdly, the PDP compact is a bit BIGGER than the full size VP9, holds two rounds less, and has a slightly shorter barrel.

https://www.handgunhero.com/compare/heckler-koch-vp9-vs-walther-pdp-compact-4

[Whiskey_Bravo]

I had a complete hoot shooting my PDP this morning, and ended up spending the whole session shooting it. Initially, I couldn’t draw the thing for crap, and realized all those serrations on the slide were hanging up on the Comp Tac holster. Nothing some Lucas oil couldn’t fix.

The PDP seemed to shoot 150 Syntech, 115 PMC and my 147 lead reloads to about the same POI. The heavier bullets felt less snappy than the 115, but I didn’t put the various loads on a timer to get data. I put an X300 on, and it definitely calmed the dot, but I don’t have a holster set up yet to run it with the light.

I am not a fast splitter, but saw some .13 and .15 splits with the stock PDP trigger. The trigger is conducive to shooting fast with minimal side to side dispersion. I am still figuring it out, but it inspires me to push. He is some messing around with it.



I know it's early but very curious to hear your thoughts on the full-sized PDP compared to a 5" M&P 2.0 CORE/PC. I keep going back and forth between these two for a gamer gun option. Haven't found a PDP local yet.

[GJM]

Interesting comparison here between the VP9 and the PDP compact. Weirdly, the PDP compact is a bit BIGGER than the full size VP9, holds two rounds less, and has a slightly shorter barrel.

https://www.handgunhero.com/compare/heckler-koch-vp9-vs-walther-pdp-compact-4

Thank goodness HK brought out the 17 round mags or the fanboys would be really worried!


I know it's early but very curious to hear your thoughts on the full-sized PDP compared to a 5" M&P 2.0 CORE/PC. I keep going back and forth between these two for a gamer gun option. Haven't found a PDP local yet.

Good question, and I aim to find out. I stopped into Apex this morning and Randy and Scott handed me two of my five inch CORE pistols and one 4.25 they fitted gunsmith barrels to.

[Lex Luthier]

Thank goodness HK brought out the 17 round mags or the fanboys would be really worried!



Good question, and I aim to find out. I stopped into Apex this morning and Randy and Scott handed me two of my five inch CORE pistols and one 4.25 they fitted gunsmith barrels to.

Subscribed for interest...

Not a gamer, but curious about your take on accuracy, dependability, and general ease of use.

[GJM]

Subscribed for interest...

Not a gamer, but curious about your take on accuracy, dependability, and general ease of use.

Here is what I know so far. The 2.0 CORE pistols have been trouble free and very low maintenance. In the six months I have shot them, I sheared off one CORE as few and otherwise just some occasional lube and a pass with the bore snake. The Apex forward set triggers are excellent but trigger feel is personal. I wish the mag well was bigger on the CIRE and I wish they were more accurate. 3.5-4 inches at 25 is about what they shoot with 150 Syntech for me. Performance wise, I do better with a CORE than a Glock. S&W CS answers the phone in seconds and is quick to give you a return label if there is an issue. There is good aftermarket support generally and Apex rocks.

Time will tell on the PDP, as the pistol is so new.

[GJM]

Here is what I know so far. The 2.0 CORE pistols have been trouble free and very low maintenance. In the six months I have shot them, I sheared off one CORE as few and otherwise just some occasional lube and a pass with the bore snake. The Apex forward set triggers are excellent but trigger feel is personal. I wish the mag well was bigger on the CIRE and I wish they were more accurate. 3.5-4 inches at 25 is about what they shoot with 150 Syntech for me. Performance wise, I do better with a CORE than a Glock. S&W CS answers the phone in seconds and is quick to give you a return label if there is an issue. There is good aftermarket support generally and Apex rocks.

Time will tell on the PDP, as the pistol is so new.

Gosh my spelling is atrocious when I post on my iPhone while talking on the phone.

The full size PDP works with Canik magazines, and I hooked up with my connection this afternoon.

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I jumped into the deep end of the pool today, and shot my PDP with an X300 out of a Floodlight at Tuesday night Steel today.


https://youtu.be/E-Kt3jjtATc

[Wendell]

...I stopped into Apex this morning and Randy and Scott handed me two of my five inch CORE pistols and one 4.25 they fitted gunsmith barrels to.

I'm looking forward to your comments on your new Apex barrel.

[GJM]

My Compact arrived and I put a 509T on, using the CHPWS (or as my wife calls them, chip-wiz) plate. Looks like a great carry combo, once I get taller iron sights installed as BUIS.

The stock trigger is really growing on me. Reflecting on the match yesterday, I really like that I took a pistol out of the box, slapped on an optic, whittled on the mag well some, and felt like I had a capable match pistol.

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[DpdG]

Anyone got a line on available full-size mags, either Canik or Walther brand? Have a 4” full-size and need a few more mags for games but all searches have shown out of stock.

[GJM]

Anyone got a line on available full-size mags, either Canik or Walther brand? Have a 4” full-size and need a few more mags for games but all searches have shown out of stock.

I couldn’t find them anywhere, and lucked into some from a friend who is sponsored and helped me. I would look for guys that have a Canik for CO and aren’t shooting it now, and offer to buy or borrow some of their mags. Maybe a WTB on Enos.

[Kirk]

Gosh my spelling is atrocious when I post on my iPhone while talking on the phone.

The full size PDP works with Canik magazines, and I hooked up with my connection this afternoon.

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I jumped into the deep end of the pool today, and shot my PDP with an X300 out of a Floodlight at Tuesday night Steel today.


https://youtu.be/E-Kt3jjtATc

Judging from Tuesday Night Steel and it being a sponsored shooter, it sounds like you bought your Canik mags from Nils :D

[Will Fennell]

I’ve been evaluating a PDP for almost 2 months. I’ve got the compact. A natural comparison for me has been my favorite WC EDCx9. Turns out the WC EDCx9 mags work in the PDP compact flawlessly, as long as the mag release button is in the original’right hand’ position. I don’t even notice which mags I’m using any longer.

The Walther PDP is a pretty special blaster. Trigger is the best factory trigger I’ve ever experienced on a plastic framed, striker fired pistol. Accuracy is superb. About 1100 rounds thru it at this point, and zero malfunctions.

Best,

Will

[sasquatch98]

Anyone got a line on available full-size mags, either Canik or Walther brand? Have a 4” full-size and need a few more mags for games but all searches have shown out of stock.

I just ordered some 18 and 20 round ones from here a couple days ago and they’ll be here tomorrow.

https://themagshack.com/shop/pistol-magazines/9mm/century-arms-tp9-18-round-black-mag/

https://themagshack.com/shop/pistol-magazines/9mm/century-arms-tp9-9mm-20-rd-extended-magazine/

[MistWolf]

I’ve been evaluating a PDP for almost 2 months. I’ve got the compact. A natural comparison for me has been my favorite WC EDCx9. Turns out the WC EDCx9 mags work in the PDP compact flawlessly, as long as the mag release button is in the original’right hand’ position. I don’t even notice which mags I’m using any longer.
Mags for the EDC9 are based on the PPQ mags which in turn, are based on Beretta mags. Bill Wilson and Ken Hackathorn said this is because the mag design is one of the most reliable.


The Walther PDP is a pretty special blaster. Trigger is the best factory trigger I’ve ever experienced on a plastic framed, striker fired pistol. Accuracy is superb. About 1100 rounds thru it at this point, and zero malfunctions.

Best,

Will

I dry fired a PDP. It's the same trigger as the PPQ but better. Crisper and more solid. That spongy, flexy feeling the triggers common with striker fired polymer pistols is gone. It's a small thing, but a leap forward in trigger feel. It's what polymer framed striker fired triggers should have been from the beginning.

[sasquatch98]

Anyone got a line on available full-size mags, either Canik or Walther brand? Have a 4” full-size and need a few more mags for games but all searches have shown out of stock.


The magshack has them in stock both 18 and 20 rounds, I just ordered some a couple days ago and they’ll be here this afternoon. Beats waiting for walther getting them in stock for their $49 msrp, I’ve apparently been spoiled by Glock, CZ, and Beretta mags.

[olstyn]

I’ve apparently been spoiled by Glock, CZ, and Beretta mags.

What's really funny about this is that CZ, Beretta, and Walther all use essentially the same mag design, just with the mag catch holes in different spots, and I believe all of them are made by Mec-Gar. There's a guy on the Walther forum who uses 30-round Beretta mags in his PPQ - he just put the hole the PPQ needs in the mag and it worked. I'm not recommending that, of course, because it would be easy to screw up the machining operation required, but it does demonstrate how similar they are.

[GJM]

Mags for the EDC9 are based on the PPQ mags which in turn, are based on Beretta mags. Bill Wilson and Ken Hackathorn said this is because the mag design is one of the most reliable.



I dry fired a PDP. It's the same trigger as the PPQ but better. Crisper and more solid. That spongy, flexy feeling the triggers common with striker fired polymer pistols is gone. It's a small thing, but a leap forward in trigger feel. It's what polymer framed striker fired triggers should have been from the beginning.

I agree that the trigger is phenomenal on the PDP. Not that it is so light, but how the shape and pull feel are so conducive to accurate shooting.


The magshack has them in stock both 18 and 20 rounds, I just ordered some a couple days ago and they’ll be here this afternoon. Beats waiting for walther getting them in stock for their $49 msrp, I’ve apparently been spoiled by Glock, CZ, and Beretta mags.

Aren’t those Century Arms and Pro Mag as opposed to OEM/MecGar?

[GJM]

Since I still have near a dozen VP9 pistols, I did some subjective comparing with the new PDP, and hope to have time to post those observations later today.

[Vandal320]

I just ordered some 18 and 20 round ones from here a couple days ago and they’ll be here tomorrow.

https://themagshack.com/shop/pistol-magazines/9mm/century-arms-tp9-18-round-black-mag/

https://themagshack.com/shop/pistol-magazines/9mm/century-arms-tp9-9mm-20-rd-extended-magazine/
Thanks! Ordered 3.:cool:

[sasquatch98]

I agree that the trigger is phenomenal on the PDP. Not that it is so light, but how the shape and pull feel are so conducive to accurate shooting.



Aren’t those Century Arms and Pro Mag as opposed to OEM/MecGar?

The Century Arms ones are the oem mag they are made by mecgar. The pro mag ones can be picked up for $19.99 and used as a nice paperweight, although you may have malfunctions with any papers being held down.

[GJM]

The Century Arms ones are the oem mag they are made by mecgar. The pro mag ones can be picked up for $19.99 and used as a nice paperweight, although you may have malfunctions with any papers being held down.

This forum is awesome, just got 6. They have 74 left, go get them!

https://themagshack.com/shop/pistol-magazines/9mm/century-arms-tp9-18-round-black-mag/

[GJM]

Also, Midway has Wilson EDC 9 15 round mags in stock which work in the PDP Compact. Awesome that Canik and Wilson use common mags with the PDP.

[DpdG]

The magshack has them in stock both 18 and 20 rounds, I just ordered some a couple days ago and they’ll be here this afternoon. Beats waiting for walther getting them in stock for their $49 msrp, I’ve apparently been spoiled by Glock, CZ, and Beretta mags.

Thank you, ordered 5!

[olstyn]

The pro mag ones can be picked up for $19.99 and used as a nice paperweight, although you may have malfunctions with any papers being held down.

I once had some doofus at a gun show try to sell me on ProMags being just as good when I asked if he had any OEM Walther mags for my P99c. He suggested that I was some kind of collector for wanting legit Walther mags. My reply was "no, I'm going to use them for carry/home defense and competition; I want them to actually function!" :)

[GJM]

Walther PDP and HK VP9

This isn’t one of those “the HK is X longer or shorter” exercises, but rather my subjective impressions based on owning a bunch of VP9 pistols in all three sizes and shooting them many thousands of rounds, and about a week of messing with the PDP, with just hundreds of rounds and one match. When the VP9 came out, there was some chatter that the VP9 was basically an “HKized” PPQ. With the PDP, you could equally say the PDP is a “Waltherized” VP9. When you quickly look at them, they seem related, but actually they feel very different to me.

Let’s start with the grip and lower frame. I far prefer the shape of the PDP. The VP9 feels rounded where the frame on the PDP feels straight. The HK offers more adjustability considering the side panels. With the PDP, I am using the small backstrap. The texture is better on the PDP. The magwell is significantly more generous on the PDP, and a related factor is the shape of the magazines. Nobody is going to knock an HK magazine for function and durability, but the shape of the MecGar made Walther magazine is more tapered. Between that and the magwell shape, the PDP is easier to reload. The design of the magwell on the PDP is also more conducive to being enlarged with judicious use of a Dremel. The cut outs for removing a stuck magazine on the VP9 impinge into where you would like to enlarge the shape.
Although the slide of the VP9 is shorter in height than the VP9, due to the beavertail design you can get higher on the pistol with the PDP. Finally the magazine release on the PDP is larger, has better checkering, but is better protected from accidental activation than the button release on the VP9.

Obviously I can’t say anything about long term durability and reliability of the PDP, although the VP9 is excellent in this regard. I haven’t done enough formal testing on accuracy to contrast the two pistols, but both obviously are obviously very precise. Triggers are always subjective, but trigger is where I find the PDP is far ahead. I have Lazy Wolf and stock triggers, and the out of the box PDP trigger is just plain better than either VP9 flavor. I actually prefer the stock PDP trigger to a forward set Apex trigger, which is high praise in my book. The forward serrations are much more pronounced on the PDP, if they are important to you.

No idea about whether the PDP optic system will be long term durable, but it is lower than the VP9 and better supported with different optic plates. The VP9 family obviously has a long slide and sub compact model, where the PDP offers neither yet. Time will tell how the PDP holds up to hard use, but right now I am very excited about how the PDP feels and shoots.

[Thy.Will.Be.Done]

Anybody measured the trigger reach yet? Asking for a short fingered sumbitch I might happen to know... :cool:

[GJM]

I found something I don’t like about the PDP. Neither my full size or Compact care for Gold Dot 124+P, which has been my main go to carry load for years. They shoot it not that precisely and quite a bit lower, like three inches at 25 yards, compared to most other loads. Both pistols like 147 Federal Tactical and shoot it close to 150 Syntech, 115 AE and 115 PMC.

I was shooting quickly at 15 yards, because of rain, and this is typical of the 150 Syntech in both pistols, although it was the full size.

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This was the full size with the Federal 147 Tactical.

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As I have mentioned numerous times, I am just not that fast a splitter, and have to try to shoot splits in the teens. The PDP is a splitting machine, and shooting doubles from 7 yards, I had multiple .14 and .15 splits. As to why, my guess is the combination of the frame and trigger shape/feel/position allows for a relaxed hand position. I use the small back strap, which is not typical for me as I wear XL gloves. More than speed, the best part of this trigger is it wants to shoot alphas.

Right now, I am using a Phlster Floodlight, as it accommodates my X300, and I am giving up time on my draw compared to a competition specific holster like a Red Hill Tactical. I have a TREX Ragnarok inbound, because it accommodates the light and was quick ship. Also have an Orion coming from Tom.

[Super77]

As I have mentioned numerous times, I am just not that fast a splitter, and have to try to shoot splits in the teens. The PDP is a splitting machine, and shooting doubles from 7 yards, I had multiple .14 and .15 splits. As to why, my guess is the combination of the frame and trigger shape/feel/position allows for a relaxed hand position. I use the small back strap, which is not typical for me as I wear XL gloves. More than speed, the best part of this trigger is it wants to shoot alphas.

Right now, I am using a Phlster Floodlight, as it accommodates my X300, and I am giving up time on my draw compared to a competition specific holster like a Red Hill Tactical. I have a TREX Ragnarok inbound, because it accommodates the light and was quick ship. Also have an Orion coming from Tom.

The PPQ was often described as a little "snappy" on recoil. How would you say the PDP compares to the PPQ in terms of recoil impulse?

[GJM]

The PPQ was often described as a little "snappy" on recoil. How would you say the PDP compares to the PPQ in terms of recoil impulse?

PPQ and PDP Compact are similar, PDP FS feels softer.

[Gater]

Forgive me for a little P-F (literally) thread drift: Peter Dallhammer, a Walther engineer/designer (and major contributor to P99/PPQ series) has done a few videos (including a Walther history with Larry Vickers) as well as writing a book (based on his Mech E doctoral dissertation) "The Textbook of Pistol Technology and Design". In his video introduction and flip through of some of his book:


https://youtu.be/yiF4ufWAmt4

...he pauses to read a quote included before the introduction:

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Separate review of the book:


https://youtu.be/s3lMlm476sk

[YVK]

Forgive me for a little P-F (literally) thread drift: Peter Dallhammer, a Walther engineer/designer (and major contributor to P99/PPQ series) has done a few videos (including a Walther history with Larry Vickers) as well as writing a book (based on his Mech E doctoral dissertation) "The Textbook of Pistol Technology and Design". .....

...he pauses to read a quote included before the introduction:

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Posted by TLG in a striker vs hammer thread on HKPRO. I remember because I was in that thread and I liked the elves thing too.

[sasquatch98]

I just received my Canik mags from the magshack and they are literally exactly the same as the Walther mags except the base pad which is a slightly different shape but works fine in the PDP. I’ve got both 18 rounders and one of the 20 round (18 round with +2 extension) and they both work great,I’d say theses are made with the exact same stamping die as the Walthers.

[Gater]

Posted by TLG in a striker vs hammer thread on HKPRO. I remember because I was in that thread and I liked the elves thing too.

Thank you! I wondered what (and where) the original context was.

[JBP55]

This forum is awesome, just got 6. They have 74 left, go get them!

https://themagshack.com/shop/pistol-magazines/9mm/century-arms-tp9-18-round-black-mag/

Ordered.

[GJM]

I tried 147 HST in my full size PDP this afternoon. The pistol is zeroed for 150 Syntech. I shot this freestyle at 20 yards.

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Here is my pistol with light, and unloaded magazine with Taylor Freelance brass 140 extension.

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With the OEM spring and follower, I get 22 rounds in the TF 140 extensions. With the Grams spring and follower, I get 23 rounds in the magazine.

I received the CHPWS (Chip wiz) RMR/SRO/Holosun plates in the mail today, and mounted an SRO on my second full size PDP. The chip wiz plate is better fit and designed than the OEM plate, so it will be a good test as to how much a plate matters with a SRO.

I received Ameriglo GL-511 BUIS and installed them on my Compact PDP to go with the 509T. Darn they took a fair amount of filing and then hammering to get the rear sight in the dovetail. The front sight snapped right in. The XL height is perfect for BUIS with the 509T.

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The triggers on my Compact and number two full size are better than my original PDP full size. Not sure whether that started from day one, or something happened with shooting the number one full size. Will continue to monitor this. Mulling over trying the Walther OEM performance trigger, although I really like the stock triggers.

[CanineCombatives]

Trying to locate a full size 4” to no avail as yet.

[GJM]

Trying to locate a full size 4” to no avail as yet.

There were a number of them on gun broker, and they seem to bring less money than either the Compact or 4.5 full size.

[olstyn]

Trying to locate a full size 4” to no avail as yet.

Seems a bit expensive, but they're available:

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/894594088

[GJM]

I got my second full size zeroed with a SRO, using a chip-wiz plate. No drama, and it shoots good. Also, my Compact PDP also likes 147 HST. My light bearing holster for the full size and X300 arrived today. Not going to beat a Red Hill Tactical for pure competition, but very serviceable and it got here in just a few days.

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I handled a Q4 Steel Frame today, and it feels almost identical to a PDP Compact, just heavier. I really hope Walther releases a Steel Frame version of the full size PDP, as the grip on the Q4/5/PPQ are just too small for me.

ETA: Forget to mention it is a TREX light bearing holster:

https://www.trex-arms.com/store/light-compatible-ragnarok/

[AJLooch]

Was able to fondle one today and the trigger was pretty darn good. The thing that surprised me the most was just how light the gun feels in the hand. Do you guys notice it when shooting? My 45 with a ACRO felt heavy next to it.

[YVK]

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Pro-tip: if you decided to dry fire reloads with TF brass extensions, wear boots.

Ask how I know, or don't.


P.S. Still 4 oz lighter than my frame- and slide-milled CZ without the mag. You need that brass grip asap.

[olstyn]

P.S. Still 4 oz lighter than my frame- and slide-milled CZ without the mag. You need that brass grip asap.

Surely someone can make a tungsten backstrap for it. :)

[GJM]

Surely someone can make a tungsten backstrap for it. :)

Taylor Freelance has a heavy back strap coming out very soon for the PPQ and PDP Compact with the full size PDP a little longer out.