Walther PDP New Duty pistol.

[DaBigBR]

Regarding the dead trigger issue and alleged "fix", I don't like that it isn't Walther coming out and explaining what the issue was and what they did to correct it.

[overton]

Does the new F-Series still have this dead trigger problem?
These are clearly marketed as pure defensive guns for women and there the issue of a life saving contact shot might be VERY relevant.

[Evil_Ed]

Does the new F-Series still have this dead trigger problem?
These are clearly marketed as pure defensive guns for women and there the issue of a life saving contact shot might be VERY relevant.

IIRC the "F" series of guns uses a different fire control group; I'm sure those who own them will be chiming in soon though?

[MLee]

My 4" f-Series does not have the issue. As a side note my Q4 SF does.

[SamueL]

It appears to be semi-official... :confused:

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At least the Aimpoint ACRO P2 is the accepted optic.

[Dave Williams]

It appears to be semi-official... :confused:

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At least the Aimpoint ACRO P2 is the accepted optic.

Kinda surprised they’re going with the compact grip.

[HCM]

Kinda surprised they’re going with the compact grip.

PSP has a history of picking weird guns and changing frequently.

Since the F model is going to be an option maybe they are trying to standardize on one size of magazine.

Of course, an agency that issued Glock 21s and SIG 227s, that were too big for some peoples hands is now going the opposite direction and standardizing on a trip that will be too small for some peoples hands.

[GJM]

I have an F, and that is a weird gun.

[SamueL]

Since the F model is going to be an option maybe they are trying to standardize on one size of magazine.


Word is 18-round mags with a sleeve, à la the Pro SD Compact mags.

I suspect the actual specs will call for an ACRO cut slide much like Walther did for the governor's detail contract.

It will be interesting to see what holster and WML are called out in the specs. It seems all Safariland options are only compatible with ultra-compact WMLs like the Streamlight TRL-7 which would be a downgrade from the currently issued Surefire X300s.

[JAH 3rd]

My 4" f-Series does not have the issue. As a side note my Q4 SF does.

Just wondering if the Walther P99 AS suffers from the dead trigger syndrome. Any input will be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

[revchuck38]

Just wondering if the Walther P99 AS suffers from the dead trigger syndrome. Any input will be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Not in my experience. I've got two P99Cs with several thousand rounds between them.

[Jason M]

It appears to be semi-official... :confused:

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At least the Aimpoint ACRO P2 is the accepted optic.


This was what I had at the time of my last posting.

[Lex Luthier]

For those looking, GunDeals has the PDP Compact in several colors for sale at $499 + $17 shipping right now. https://gunzonedeals.com/product-category-group/walther-pdp-optics-ready-tactical-pistols-deals?utm_campaign=08142023_Walther_PDP_Daily_Send&utm_content=touchpoint_1_side_by_side_daily_send_t emplate_2&utm_medium=email&utm_source=zaius

You have to add it to your cart to see the sale price. I did not check if all colors & variants are included in the sale.

[GJM]

Steel frame PDP is supposed to be announced soon:

https://www.galleryofguns.com/genie/Default.aspx?item=2872200&zipcode=32539

[MVS]

Steel frame PDP is supposed to be announced soon:

https://www.galleryofguns.com/genie/Default.aspx?item=2872200&zipcode=32539

There is a little clip out there of Jedlinski carrying a Walther box out to Jay Beal on the range and that is what people are speculating is in it. I vacillate on the need for the heavy guns. I have sorta settled on medium heavy at least for right now. like 35ish ounces.

[SamueL]

Steel frame PDP is supposed to be announced soon:

https://www.galleryofguns.com/genie/Default.aspx?item=2872200&zipcode=32539

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Looks like Steel Frame and a "Match" polymer frame.

[Super77]

I read somewhere that the dead trigger thing was fixed on these awhile back. Can anyone confirm?

[SamueL]

I read somewhere that the dead trigger thing was fixed on these awhile back. Can anyone confirm?

The "flaw" was fixed with 2023 production and has been confirmed, but there was no official announcement. The F-Series, having a different striker design, did not have the flaw.

[GJM]

There is a little clip out there of Jedlinski carrying a Walther box out to Jay Beal on the range and that is what people are speculating is in it. I vacillate on the need for the heavy guns. I have sorta settled on medium heavy at least for right now. like 35ish ounces.

The five inch PDP I recently got is a soft shooter, especially compared to the 4/4.5 PDP. I would like to see the steel frame PDP, but I am not sure I will like it more than the polymer 5 inch.

[SamueL]

I would like to see the steel frame PDP, but I am not sure I will like it more than the polymer 5 inch.

I would like to see what the 5 inch Match version is all about.

[GJM]

I would like to see what the 5 inch Match version is all about.

Five inch polymer PDP with a Dynamic Performance Trigger?

[SamueL]

Five inch polymer PDP with a Dynamic Performance Trigger?

That's what it looks like from the item details. Also 20 round mags, so probably standard mags with extensions and possibly a magwell. I'm thinking a 5 inch Pro SD minus a threaded barrel.

[GJM]

Something I don't like about the PDP is the the beaver tail. It protrudes further than necessary side to side, and has a flat section that smacks the base of my strong hand thumb. Nothing a dremel can't improve.

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The only load I have shot a group with through my 5 inch PDP is PMC 124, and it shoots that load exceedingly well. This is freestyle today from 20 yards, and typical of the other groups I have shot with it.

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[crosseyedshooter]

That's what it looks like from the item details. Also 20 round mags, so probably standard mags with extensions and possibly a magwell. I'm thinking a 5 inch Pro SD minus a threaded barrel.

Ironically, the 4.5” PDP Pro SD has something like a 5.1” barrel. Walther has been playing catch-up to the rest of the industry for as long as I can remember. The P99 was probably their last innovative pistol; too bad it never caught on.

Not sure what they can announce these days that wouldn’t be a letdown.

[GJM]

Pretty rough crowd on PF! It may not be innovative, but with the PDP, Walther has a pistol that shoots two inches at 25 yards, has arguably the best stock trigger of any striker, offers an excellent optional performance trigger, with the 2.0 has a robust optics mounting system, comes in various grip and slide lengths, uses MecGar magazines, has great texture, and is reasonably priced.

[Steve m]

Gonna go pick up PDP compact today. Dedicated glock shooter for decades here. However lately I have been noticing that with my g19 gen 5s set up with the GPT, holosun 507 and trl7a, I am working hard to get acceptable hits. I define those as a zone or down zero depending on target.
I will set up the pdp similar
Questions
-has anyone used the after market recoil springs (15-13lb)
-are pdp ammo sensitive i usually use federal 115 or 124, blazer115 or local company, defender 115 grn
-

Thanks
Steve

[GJM]

Gonna go pick up PDP compact today. Dedicated glock shooter for decades here. However lately I have been noticing that with my g19 gen 5s set up with the GPT, holosun 507 and trl7a, I am working hard to get acceptable hits. I define those as a zone or down zero depending on target.
I will set up the pdp similar
Questions
-has anyone used the after market recoil springs (15-13lb)
-are pdp ammo sensitive i usually use federal 115 or 124, blazer115 or local company, defender 115 grn
-

Thanks
Steve

I am using a W74 Tungsten guide rod and 15 pound recoil spring in my 5 inch PDP. For carry, I would stick with the OEM RSA and spring. I haven't noticed ammo sensitivity in my PPQ or PDP pistols. This guide rod might work for you:

https://modern-samurai-project.myshopify.com/products/

[Steve m]

GJM

Thanks for the info, was looking at that particular guide rod.
Not the best shooter, compete in IDPA locally, taken several classes, just looking to get better performance, I know that is subjective, however can’t get it out of my mind that during my practice sessions it feels like im working hard. 100% probably me. The g5s give me consistent high 90s on the test, low 290s on super test, ~6.5 sec on the fast drill. Decent scores in IDPA.
Probably over thinking


Thanks
Steve

[GJM]

GJM

Thanks for the info, was looking at that particular guide rod.
Not the best shooter, compete in IDPA locally, taken several classes, just looking to get better performance, I know that is subjective, however can’t get it out of my mind that during my practice sessions it feels like im working hard. 100% probably me. The g5s give me consistent high 90s on the test, low 290s on super test, ~6.5 sec on the fast drill. Decent scores in IDPA.
Probably over thinking


Thanks
Steve

Most hardware changes are a distraction. On the other hand, a large part of the game is mental, and a change can excite and motivate you.

Both the G5 Glock and PDP shoot great at 25. The Glock is softer shooting, easier to reload and easier to maintain /accessorize. The Walther is the easier pistol to press the trigger without disturbing the sights.

[parishioner]

Are these still experiencing the trigger degradation issue or was that the PPQ? Its difficult to keep track sometimes.

[Steve m]

New pdp compact followed me home from LGS this afternoon. Got trl7a, holosun 507cv2.
Need to order
Aiwb holster- jmck
Mag pouches- either comptac or kytex
More magazines

Will post results of shooting sessions

[Steve m]

Just picked up a new pdp compact, used to running Glocks.
Any specific parts/spots that need lubricant added, that Glocks don’t?
Diagram would be super helpful.

Thanks in advance
Ste

[SamueL]

Just picked up a new pdp compact, used to running Glocks.
Any specific parts/spots that need lubricant added, that Glocks don’t?
Diagram would be super helpful.

Thanks in advance
Ste

Straight from the Owner's Manual...

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[Steve m]

Samuel, thanks.


Anyone have any experience with a reduced power recoil spring in reducing the “snappiness”?

[GJM]

41 ounces

https://waltherarms.com/pdp-match-steel-frame

[GJM]

I like the beaver tail, which looks like an improvement over the polymer PDP.

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[SamueL]

And here's the Full-size Match 5"...

https://waltherarms.com/walther-pdp-match

[GJM]

https://youtu.be/nTx7dpXZcAk?si=0n3vZ6cGhmcV7jDX

[Steve m]

Pistol- pdp 1.0 old optics cut
Bought new

I added a ameriglo high vis front , lubed and headed to range.
Rd count-165
Didn’t have holster

Pistol felt very snappy compared to my Glock 19, recoil impulse very sharp, returned to poa very quickly.
Bluf: i will get tid of it for another Glock.
Times and scores on my drills don’t justify the expense of holsters mags etc.
10/10 drill overaged86 (4 runs)
Gila hayes 5in5 drill clean average 4sec
(Wider shot grp than i would have liked)
Just for kicks shot some 25yd a zone, mostly azone hits if I took my time, limiting factor was front sight

[rojocorsa]

Here is my personal review on the full size 5 inch PDP, better late than never.

https://gatdaily.com/articles/the-walther-pdp/

[GJM]

Here is my personal review on the full size 5 inch PDP, better late than never.

https://gatdaily.com/articles/the-walther-pdp/

You may be confused by what the Walther dynamic performance trigger is. The standard PDP comes with a very good trigger, but it is different in shape and pull characteristics than the performance trigger. The performance trigger is available at additional cost as an option, or standard on several "pro models." This is a picture of the performance trigger.

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[GJM]

Duplicate post

[rojocorsa]

I am familiar with both triggers.

The Performance Duty Trigger comes by default on standard models, and the Dynamic Performance Trigger is available as an upgrade (and also shows up in select SKUs).

I like both but I am very happy with the standard PDT trigger found on the normal model. I think it's great!



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[edison]

You may be confused by what the Walther dynamic performance trigger is. The standard PDP comes with a very good trigger, but it is different in shape and pull characteristics than the performance trigger. The performance trigger is available at additional cost as an option, or standard on several "pro models." This is a picture of the performance trigger.

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If I get a PDP match steel frame & want to swap out the Dynamic Performance Trigger it comes with to a standard trigger, I should look for a Performance Duty Trigger, right?

[rojocorsa]

If I get a PDP match steel frame & want to swap out the Dynamic Performance Trigger it comes with to a standard trigger, I should look for a Performance Duty Trigger, right?

You are correct.

[GJM]

I am familiar with both triggers.

The Performance Duty Trigger comes by default on standard models, and the Dynamic Performance Trigger is available as an upgrade (and also shows up in select SKUs).

I like both but I am very happy with the standard PDT trigger found on the normal model. I think it's great!



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My bad, I was confusing my "performance triggers." I think the standard trigger is desirable for carry, as it has more pre travel, while the Dynamic trigger is better for competition due to its flat face, less pre travel, and crisper break.

[rojocorsa]

Their names can be a bit confusing.

After now feeling both in my regular 5" and the new Match, I gotta say I think that standard trigger is very damn good. I do really like the way it breaks consistently.

[GJM]

Steel 4 and 4.5 too:

https://carl-walther.com/defense/products/pistols

[YVK]

Steel 4 and 4.5 too:

https://carl-walther.com/defense/products/pistols


Hopefully these guns are more accurate than provided specs. A 4 inch compact grip model heavier than a full size 4.5, or as heavy as 5 inch full size....I doubt it.

[Dave Williams]

https://www.instagram.com/p/C0t6pWWLN-j/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Jim Dexter training up the PSP trainers on the new PDP duty guns.

[Noah]

Steel 4 and 4.5 too:

https://carl-walther.com/defense/products/pistols

The 4" Steel PDP appears to be the 15 round compact as well?

[GJM]

The 4" Steel PDP appears to be the 15 round compact as well?

Yep.

Through clever, marketing and frequent product introductions, Walter seems to be nudging into (a distant) third place behind Glock and Sig.

[Noah]

Yep.

Through clever, marketing and frequent product introductions, Walter seems to be nudging into (a distant) third place behind Glock and Sig.

A lofty goal. I bet S&W is 2nd or 3rd to Glock in LEO contracts? I see a decent amount of PDPs in the competition crowd.

[GJM]

A lofty goal. I bet S&W is 2nd or 3rd to Glock in LEO contracts? I see a decent amount of PDPs in the competition crowd.

C'mon man, YVK has two Walther pistols on his short term acquisition list -- that must count for something!

[HCM]

Yep.

Through clever, marketing and frequent product introductions, Walter seems to be nudging into (a distant) third place behind Glock and Sig.

One State Police Agency with a history of adopting weird duty guns is not quite "M&P Killer" status. They have gained traction with the competition crowd, largely due to Stoeger, Kwansik Kim etc but that's a comparatively small market even with YVK jumping in..

[YVK]

C'mon man, YVK has two Walther pistols on his short term acquisition list -- that must count for something!


Maybe even three.
Now that Bill is not running the company and has free time, you think he can spare some of it on consideration of IDPA's future? Compact defensive division needs optic mounted counterpart. That small steel Walther would be awesome for that role.

[JCN]

Maybe even three.
Now that Bill is not running the company and has free time, you think he can spare some of it on consideration of IDPA's future? Compact defensive division needs optic mounted counterpart. That small steel Walther would be awesome for that role.

I would settle for Optic-BUG

[MVS]

Maybe even three.
Now that Bill is not running the company and has free time, you think he can spare some of it on consideration of IDPA's future? Compact defensive division needs optic mounted counterpart. That small steel Walther would be awesome for that role.


I would settle for Optic-BUG

Either or both. It is crazy that optics guns have more competitors than all of the iron sight divisions combined (5?) , but are all stuck in the same division with the guns themselves getting farther and farther away from what most people can EDC, but I digress.

[JCN]

Either or both. It is crazy that optics guns have more competitors than all of the iron sight divisions combined (5?) , but are all stuck in the same division with the guns themselves getting farther and farther away from what most people can EDC, but I digress.

Ken Hackathorn et al still don’t believe the age of RDS is already here so I’m not holding my breath. :D

Would be a great way for them to distinguish themselves from USPSA if they’d just run with it.

[GJM]

https://youtu.be/LEmf64SKdkU?si=sYqSZ80LXsy3T8-G

[SamueL]

I stumbled upon this...

https://www.gunsandammo.com/videodetail/walther-pdp-professional-law-enforcement-exclusive-duty-pistol/364056/482010
(https://www.gunsandammo.com/videodetail/walther-pdp-professional-law-enforcement-exclusive-duty-pistol/364056/482010)
Walther PDP Professional Law Enforcement
- Full-size 4.5" with ACRO cut
- Tritium sights
- Dynamic Performance Trigger
- Aluminum magwell
- Three (3) 20-round magazines
- Aimpoint ACRO P-2

...all for $999!

[GJM]

I stumbled upon this...

https://www.gunsandammo.com/videodetail/walther-pdp-professional-law-enforcement-exclusive-duty-pistol/364056/482010
(https://www.gunsandammo.com/videodetail/walther-pdp-professional-law-enforcement-exclusive-duty-pistol/364056/482010)
Walther PDP Professional Law Enforcement
- Full-size 4.5" with ACRO cut
- Tritium sights
- Dynamic Performance Trigger
- Aluminum magwell
- Three (3) 20-round magazines
- Aimpoint ACRO P-2

...all for $999!

That is basically a $999 package without the Acro so I suspect something isn't accurate.

[SamueL]

That is basically a $999 package without the Acro so I suspect something isn't accurate.

’twould suck if Walther's director of communications was wrong.

Looking at the IOP price sheet, the Full-size Pro SD is looking to be $655. Ditch the threaded barrel for night sights, throw on an IOP ACRO, and you're at approximately $1140. It could be worth ~$140 to Walther to have their gun in a duty holster.

[JSGlock34]

Discovered that Walther offers a nice discount through ExpertVoice...kinda tempted.

[DMF13]

That is basically a $999 package without the Acro so I suspect something isn't accurate.If Walther is aggressively pursuing market share among LEOs, offering steep discounts to officers who buy their own weapons makes sense, and this doesn't appear unreasonable to me.

Obviously agency contracts would be better, but its an interesting strategy to chip away at the individual officer purchase portion of the market.

Whether that will pay off for them, only time will tell.

[GJM]

If true, I am impressed Walther has the horsepower to get Acros in quantity to pull this off. I am curious as to whether you find this actual offer with all the details.

This afternoon as we were leaving the range, some people were pulling in to shoot after us in our bay. They had one of the new Walther steel frame pistols. I coonfingered it, and something was wrong with the dynamic performance trigger. $1,800 seems like a lot for this.

[Gary1911A1]

Here's a video review of a PDP I watched this morning: https://youtu.be/8927rEvTAIE?si=Ge8M2yGWMzgVxEiq

[HCM]

If true, I am impressed Walther has the horsepower to get Acros in quantity to pull this off. I am curious as to whether you find this actual offer with all the details.

This afternoon as we were leaving the range, some people were pulling in to shoot after us in our bay. They had one of the new Walther steel frame pistols. I coonfingered it, and something was wrong with the dynamic performance trigger. $1,800 seems like a lot for this.

Walther may be junior varsity here but in Europe, the big 3 duty guns are Glock, Walther, HK.

I believe the Pennsylvania state police specified the ACRO on their new PDP. That may have provided Walter an opportunity.

[SamueL]

I believe the Pennsylvania state police specified the ACRO on their new PDP. That may have provided Walter an opportunity.

PSP specified the ACRO be mounted and installed at the factory by Walther.

With a quantity around 5,000 units, I'm sure that opportunity created quite the relationship between Walther and Aimpoint.

[HCM]

PSP specified the ACRO be mounted and installed at the factory by Walther.

With a quantity around 5,000 units, I'm sure that opportunity created quite the relationship between Walther and Aimpoint.

I wonder if we’ll see more agencies specifying that in the future.

[Steve m]

Who’s running a different weight recoil spring in their PDP, and why?

Wondering if the price is worth the reward?

Thanks
Steve

[GJM]

Who’s running a different weight recoil spring in their PDP, and why?

Wondering if the price is worth the reward?

Thanks
Steve

I have a W74 tungsten guide rod and 15 pound spring in a five inch, competition oriented pistol, but the stock RSA in my other PDP pistols.

[Tensaw]

Who’s running a different weight recoil spring in their PDP, and why?

Wondering if the price is worth the reward?

Swapped into a 15 pound ZR Tactical with brass guide rod very recently (4" slide) trying to tame the muzzle flip somewhat. I've only put two mags through it with since the swap and my hands were so cold I had a hard time feeling the trigger. Not sure it was worth it. Seems to have lightened the trigger in a way I don't care for either. Waiting for things to thaw out a little and I will give it a better go.

[HCM]

Swapped into a 15 pound ZR Tactical with brass guide rod very recently (4" slide) trying to tame the muzzle flip somewhat. I've only put two mags through it with since the swap and my hands were so cold I had a hard time feeling the trigger. Not sure it was worth it. Seems to have lightened the trigger in a way I don't care for either. Waiting for things to thaw out a little and I will give it a better go.

That’s weird.

The Recoil spring shouldn’t have any effect on the trigger pull.

My full size / 4.5” PDP was noticeably over sprung. Though my complaint was muzzle dip on the return of the gun rather than muzzle flip. I have found I need to grip the PDP differently (applying grip pressure in different areas) vs the Glock and the P320..

Replaced the 18lb RSA. Initially tried the ZR tactical I captured guide rod with a 13lb then a 15lb spring. Just switched to the ZR tactical captured RSA for convenience.

[Tensaw]

That’s weird.

The Recoil spring shouldn’t have any effect on the trigger pull.

My full size / 4.5” PDP was noticeably over sprung. Though my complaint was muzzle dip on the return of the gun rather than muzzle flip. I have found I need to grip the PDP differently (applying grip pressure in different areas) vs the Glock and the P320..

Replaced the 18lb RSA. Initially tried the ZR tactical I captured guide rod with a 13lb then a 15lb spring. Just switched to the ZR tactical captured RSA for convenience.

Maybe the trigger pull thing is just in my head. The ZRT is uncaptured and thus, I've not been motivated enough to swap them and try the trigger with the different springs back to back. But from the first dry pull after the ZRT install, I was like, "What just happened?"

Uncaptured spring is a PITA. I went that way because I know early Glock springs were uncaptured so I thought, "How bad can it be?" I quickly learned why Glock changed.

[HCM]

Maybe the trigger pull thing is just in my head. The ZRT is uncaptured and thus, I've not been motivated enough to swap them and try the trigger with the different springs back to back. But from the first dry pull after the ZRT install, I was like, "What just happened?"

Uncaptured spring is a PITA. I went that way because I know early Glock springs were uncaptured so I thought, "How bad can it be?" I quickly learned why Glock changed.

The uncaptured spring is a PITA. ZR now sells a tool which makes it a bit easier.

[Steve m]

Thanks for the replies, think I’m gonna pick up a zr tactical 15lb spring and guide rod. Pdp full size will be range/idpa toy.

[Jamesa]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiUXRGDVXUc

[Tensaw]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiUXRGDVXUc

Fair enough. I guess this means I need to drill a hole in the ZRT rod. Still requires a "tool", but at least it doesn't require a vise. Thanks for posting.

[Steve m]

I just got my optics plate from walther. Came with x2 screws, do i use those screws to mount the plate to pistol, then use holosun screws to mount optic to plate? Or should I just get a chpws plate?

[GJM]

Pretty sure Walther didn't introduce a steel frame 380!

https://www.gunsamerica.com/digest/the-pd380-steel-frame-pistol-from-walther-shot-show-2024/

[DMF13]

Uncaptured spring is a PITA. I went that way because I know early Glock springs were uncaptured so I thought, "How bad can it be?" I quickly learned why Glock changed.
I have no knowledge of this product, other than I know it exists:

https://zrtacticalsolutions.com/walther-ppq-pdp-captured-stainless-guide-rod/

[SamueL]

The "PDP Full Size 4.5" Professional ACRO" is now on Walther's site. https://waltherarms.com/firearms/pdp-le/pdp-professional-acro

IOP price is listed at $999!

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[Steve m]

Looking for an IDPA type holster for my full size PDP with trl1 hl? I currently have a trex arms ragnorak. Don’t care for it during dry fire.

Thanks
Steve

[BillSWPA]

The PDP with an Acro P2 has been selected by the Pennsylvania State Police.

https://www.ammoland.com/2024/02/pennsylvania-state-police-selects-walther-pdp-as-official-duty-handgun/

[jellydonut]

I was just about to head in here with that and ask about the likelihood of a PDP Acro cut making it to market, and I see they already have an offering.. and it is LE only.

Yet another manufacturer to put out a factory Acro cut gun that is LE only.

Is there any good reason for these manufacturers to keep doing this?

First one to cease this nonsense gets me to convert from Glock (which also does this).

[Default.mp3]

I was just about to head in here with that and ask about the likelihood of a PDP Acro cut making it to market, and I see they already have an offering.. and it is LE only.

Yet another manufacturer to put out a factory Acro cut gun that is LE only.Eh, it's not really LE only, IOP purchase allows for military and other first responders to also purchase it. AFAIK, at least Walther is allowing individual purchases, the rest of the manufacturers seem to typically only allow for institutional orders (though direct cuts do show up here and there at LGSes and GunBroker, along with the occasional distributor exclusives).

For example, this Talo exclusive: https://www.budsgunshop.com/product_info.php/products_id/713099776/glock+45+9mm+ameriglo+suppresr

[Steve m]

Finally finished setting up my pdp. Medium backstrap, Holosun 507c on factory plate, trl hl1, trex owb holster and kytex mag pouches.
Took to range yesterday for optic zero (10yd).
Summary
Lube-slip 2000 ewl
Rds fired-225
No malfunctions
Pros:
Easy to shoot well for me
Scored290 on super test( 15-2, 10-5, 5-3). All strings well within time.
Consistently able to put 10 rds in 2 i. Square at 10 yds at fair fast pace
Easily able to clean the 5in5 drill average time(3.6) from holster
Doubles to a zone at 10 yds, shooting as fast as I saw dot-120 rds, threw x3 just left of a zone
Pistol pointed well, no “omg where is my dot moments “
Mag release in good spot for my hand
Didn’t really notice any”whippiness”

Cons
Pistol seems huge compared to my usual edc/trng pistol-g19 gen5


Way forward
Get more mags, aiwb holster, start shooting at matches to compare scores, dedicate more range time.
Track progress and issues

More to follow

Steve

[MountainRaven]

I was just about to head in here with that and ask about the likelihood of a PDP Acro cut making it to market, and I see they already have an offering.. and it is LE only.

Yet another manufacturer to put out a factory Acro cut gun that is LE only.

Is there any good reason for these manufacturers to keep doing this?

First one to cease this nonsense gets me to convert from Glock (which also does this).

Well.

I have good news (https://www.gunbroker.com/All/search?Keywords=glock%2045%20acro&Sort=13) and I have bad news (https://www.gunbroker.com/All/search?Keywords=glock%2045%20acro&Sort=13).

Spoiler: The good news is the bad news. The bad news is the good news. And that is that pistols cut for the Acro are available for civilians from the factory...

...the Glock factory.

[jellydonut]

Well.

I have good news (https://www.gunbroker.com/All/search?Keywords=glock%2045%20acro&Sort=13) and I have bad news (https://www.gunbroker.com/All/search?Keywords=glock%2045%20acro&Sort=13).

Spoiler: The good news is the bad news. The bad news is the good news. And that is that pistols cut for the Acro are available for civilians from the factory...

...the Glock factory.

Are they now?

Last I checked they were also LE only.

I don't care at this point which manufacturer makes one - I am a Glock shooter and I am happy to switch to ANY manufacturer that will sell me a factory Acro cut gun. I'm tired of this silly policy.

[HCM]

Are they now?

Last I checked they were also LE only.

I don't care at this point which manufacturer makes one - I am a Glock shooter and I am happy to switch to ANY manufacturer that will sell me a factory Acro cut gun. I'm tired of this silly policy.

The acro cut G 45 is available as a TALO special edition, with back up irons and an P-2 installed.

[1Rangemaster]

Are they now?

Last I checked they were also LE only.

I don't care at this point which manufacturer makes one - I am a Glock shooter and I am happy to switch to ANY manufacturer that will sell me a factory Acro cut gun. I'm tired of this silly policy.

Surprise to me, but I just went over to the TALO site, and the G45/ACRO combo is right there. So, we have the Gunsite G45/Holosun 509T combo, and now this. I'd expect more over the next few months, as the industry is trying to push sales. There's a 19X MOS, the G49, etc.
FWIW, we have a G45 that is direct milled. The ACRO is the "gold standard"-now comes in FDE-and the C&H Duty sight fits it, as does the Lead and Steel PB-3. Any ACRO footprint fits; there may be more that I'm not aware of...

[newyork]

I’m curious if anyone owns a PDP-F and what they think of it. Do the ergos make a difference for smaller hands ? How’s the recoil vs a standard compact or g19? 10rd mags reliable? I haven’t event shot a pdp before so I have no reference point, I’m just curious.

[Tensaw]

I’m curious if anyone owns a PDP-F and what they think of it. Do the ergos make a difference for smaller hands ? How’s the recoil vs a standard compact or g19? 10rd mags reliable? I haven’t event shot a pdp before so I have no reference point, I’m just curious.

FWIW, Kit Badger has a few videos on his journey with the PDP-F.

[newyork]

FWIW, Kit Badger has a few videos on his journey with the PDP-F.

Seen a couple. Very favorable.

[newyork]

FWIW, Kit Badger has a few videos on his journey with the PDP-F.

Seen a couple. Very favorable.

[Archer1440]

I’m curious if anyone owns a PDP-F and what they think of it. Do the ergos make a difference for smaller hands ? How’s the recoil vs a standard compact or g19? 10rd mags reliable? I haven’t event shot a pdp before so I have no reference point, I’m just curious.

Wife of my closest friend, with smaller hands, picked one up and has had a much better experience with it than her P320 with the smallest available SIG module. One ragged hole at 10 yards out of the box.

I found the trigger to be a little bit middling compared to the regular PDP and it wasn't as good as my VP9's, but still a good striker trigger.

Snappy with 124 grain ammo, but not unduly so.

[newyork]

Thank you!!!

[G19Fan]

Thank you!!!

Don't own one but really enjoy shooting my friends

He is a bigger dude and likes the pdpf a lot

[newyork]

Don't own one but really enjoy shooting my friends

He is a bigger dude and likes the pdpf a lot

How’s the trigger on that example?

[Bart Carter]

The trigger on the PDP F is not quite as good as a PDP, but is quite shootable, better than say a Glock. If doing a long range session, my trigger finger feels it, maybe because I am used to better triggers.

I usually replace my Walther triggers with their dynamic performance trigger, but it doesn't fit the PDP F. If Walther brings out a dynamic performance trigger for the F, I will get one right away.

None of this should dissuade anyone from daily carry.

[Ed L]

Has anyone encountered any problems or issues with the PDP?

I got to fire the PDP the 5" barreled model with iron sights a few nights ago and was blown away by how accurately I could shoot it and am seriously considering buying it.

[GJM]

Has anyone encountered any problems or issues with the PDP?

I got to fire the PDP the 5" barreled model with iron sights a few nights ago and was blown away by how accurately I could shoot it and am seriously considering buying it.

I have had experience with a pretty good sample of PDP and PPQ Walther pistols. All of them have been accurate and reliable. The 5 inch PDP seems to be much softer shooting than some of the shorter PDP pistols, that people comment on their snappiness. 2.0 optics mounting system is much improved. The magazines are excellent.

I don't like the interface between the beaver tail and the base of my strong thumb, and file the crap out of the wide flat surface on the beaver tail. The stock trigger is good and the Walther dynamic performance trigger is fantastic. YVK thinks the trigger reach on the dynamic trigger is long. Most people think the PDP five inch is over sprung, and go to a 15 pound recoil spring. They seem durable. Getting the pin out, the first time, that holds the slide stop and allows the trigger group to come out can be an adventure.

[JSGlock34]

I was a bit surprised to see a 4" PDP Steel Compact.

[Ed L]

I have had experience with a pretty good sample of PDP and PPQ Walther pistols. All of them have been accurate and reliable. The 5 inch PDP seems to be much softer shooting than some of the shorter PDP pistols, that people comment on their snappiness. 2.0 optics mounting system is much improved. The magazines are excellent.

I don't like the interface between the beaver tail and the base of my strong thumb, and file the crap out of the wide flat surface on the beaver tail. The stock trigger is good and the Walther dynamic performance trigger is fantastic. YVK thinks the trigger reach on the dynamic trigger is long. Most people think the PDP five inch is over sprung, and go to a 15 pound recoil spring. They seem durable. Getting the pin out, the first time, that holds the slide stop and allows the trigger group to come out can be an adventure.

Thanks, GJM. I am going to rent the gun again and pay special attention to whether the beavertail does anything to my strong-side thumb.

[rojocorsa]

Well, here's my official review for the Walther PDP Steel Match Frame

Frankly, I wrote this right after Christmas, so it's kinda old news (round count wise and such).

https://www.shootingillustrated.com/content/review-walther-pdp-match-steel-frame-pistol/

That said at this point in time I have north of 1.8K through this particular PDP alone (and another 1.3 to 1.4K through a standard plastic full size 5" PDP).

These guns have great triggers and ergonomic grips and shoot well.

The trigger in my PDP SF still breaks around 4lbs 5oz but with its flat face it feels like it's lighter and can be shot rather quickly. I managed splits as low as .11, .13 and .14 with it. Its weight is both good and bad.





Maybe its the ammo I shoot compared to some of y'all but im surprised some of y'all thought it to be oversprung...the dot doesn't dip like say, on the Canik METE SF or Tisas PX9 Carry I just reviewed.

I mostly shoot Blazer or my handloads which are basic 115 grain Berrys over 4.5grs HP38. Nothing fancy at all.

[JSGlock34]

FRAGOUT MAGAZINE: WALTHER PDP SELECTED FOR SYSTEM PISTOLE SPEZIALKRÄFTE

(https://fragoutmag.com/walther-pdp-selected-system-pistole-spezialkrafte/)German Special Forces have selected 9 mm Walther PDP semi-automatic pistol as a new duty handgun which will replace older Heckler & Koch P30 and Glock 17 (P9A1) pistols in all German special forces units such as KSK or KSM.

The Bundeswehr procurement authority BAAINBw on 31st January 2023 published the invitation to tender for a framework contract (7 years) for the manufacture and supply of the “Special Forces Pistol System”. The system wss intended to replace the P30 (Heckler & Koch) and P9A1 (Glock) pistols . The full-size and compact variants of the Bundeswehr System Pistole Spezialkräfte (Special Forces Pistol System) – abbreviated BaWa or KoWa SysPi SpezKr Bw – will be procured.

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The BAAINbw was planning to procure up to 3,200 kits of the full-size pistols (BaWa) with accessories and up to 3,300 kits of the compact pistols (KoWa) and accessories. In addition, up to 820 kits of BaWa training pistols and accessories and up to 1,180 kits of KoWa training pistols and accessories as well as up to 430 dummy pistols . Dummies are purely training items without firearm characteristics.

In addition, there are optional kits of BaWa/KoWa, optionalsets of BaWa/KoWa training pistols, dummies, special tool set, spare parts package, services.

[GJM]

Wonder whether that trigger was selected or it is just a stock photo?

[JSGlock34]

Wonder whether that trigger was selected or it is just a stock photo?

I think you're right that the magazine used a stock photo - these are from the Walther Instagram page...

NEWS: Carl Walther wins special forces tender

In the recently concluded tender "System pistol special forces" the Bundeswehr has chosen a model made by the German manufacturer Carl Walther from Ulm. The seven-year framework agreement provides for the purchase of basic weapons and compact weapons for all purposes. The special forces of the Bundeswehr are to be equipped, they include the KSK (Commando Special Forces), KSM (Fighting Swimmer) and specialized forces of the field hunters.

The new short weapons – adaptations optimized for military use by Walther’s internationally successful PDP – will receive the designations P14 (basic weapon) and P14K (compact) in the Bundeswehr.

"We are very proud that the Bundeswehr has chosen our PDP variant. It is a personal concern for us to equip our soldiers - who put their lives on the line for Germany in extreme deployment situations - as best as possible," said CEO Bernhard Knöbel..

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[MountainRaven]

Does this answer the question of which European SMU was looking at potentially adopting the Arex with the comp on it?

[crosseyedshooter]

I think you're right that the magazine used a stock photo - these are from the Walther Instagram page...

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Is it just me or do those look like absolute co-witness irons? They seem conspicuously tall.

[Greg Bell]

DAMMIT now I want one of these PDPs. Is that just the PDP Pro Acro?

[HCM]

Is it just me or do those look like absolute co-witness irons? They seem conspicuously tall.

They do. It’s stupid but europeans are not shooters.

[P30]

[...] europeans are not shooters.
That's a quite sweeping statement. Does it include Eric Grauffel?

Kind regards from Germany. :)


PS:
Articles from Germany about the PDP for KSK:
all4shooters.com/en/shooting/pistols/walther-wins-order-for-new-pistol-for-special-forces-of-the-german-armed-forces (https://www.all4shooters.com/en/shooting/pistols/walther-wins-order-for-new-pistol-for-special-forces-of-the-german-armed-forces/)
carl-walther.de/defense/news/spezialkraefte-ausschreibung (https://carl-walther.de/defense/news/spezialkraefte-ausschreibung)

Maybe the high sights are for sound suppressors? At least they are called "suppressor height sights (https://carl-walther.com/defense/products/p/2863723)".

[HCM]

This is a quite sweeping statement. Does it include Eric Grauffel?

Kind regards from Germany. :)


PS:
Articles from Germany about the PDP for KSK:
all4shooters.com/en/shooting/pistols/walther-wins-order-for-new-pistol-for-special-forces-of-the-german-armed-forces (https://www.all4shooters.com/en/shooting/pistols/walther-wins-order-for-new-pistol-for-special-forces-of-the-german-armed-forces/)
carl-walther.de/defense/news/spezialkraefte-ausschreibung (https://carl-walther.de/defense/news/spezialkraefte-ausschreibung)

Maybe the high sights are for sound suppressors? At least they are called "suppressor height sights (https://carl-walther.de/defense/produkte/p/2863723)".

I’ve shot with “special folks” from three NATO countries …. Their shooting was …. Not special.

Of course this pretty much sums up my most recent range day at work so…

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[MTP]

europeans are not shooters.

I agree. There are exceptions of course, and every european country with a bit or firearms culture left (Austria, Czechia, France, Italy etc) will have a few of these gifted shooters. Mostly IPSC/3 gun competitors, with a couple enthusiast cops sprinkled in.

But both from an institutional and cultural standpoint they are not "shooters" or "gunfighters", they dont identify as such and have no interest in it.

[P30]

There are exceptions of course, and every european country with a bit or firearms culture left (Austria, Czechia, France, Italy etc) will have a few of these gifted shooters. [...] But both from an institutional and cultural standpoint they are not "shooters" or "gunfighters", they dont identify as such and have no interest in it.
Thank you for acknowledging the exceptions. There's a wide spectrum of people in my country (like in every big group of people). I and some of my best buddies are enthusiastic sport shooters since about 30 years. The gun law in our country makes it not so easy, but we make quite a lot of it. I wish the gun law would be more libertarian here. But I'm not a gunfighter and don't want to be.

There are beautiful islands of firearms culture left here, but the mainstream media and most politicians in the government do not like or even hate it. The average Joe on the street does not care a lot. Firearm enthusiasts are an endangered species here but not extinct!

[HCM]

Maybe the high sights are for sound suppressors? At least they are called "suppressor height sights (https://carl-walther.com/defense/products/p/2863723)".

The utility of sound suppressors on pistols is, in reality (vs fiction), very limited. On an optic equipped firearm the optic is the primary sighting system.

Optics on pistols also function as “suppressor sights.” The iron sights are back ups to the optic, like “doughnut” type (reduced size) spare tires on cars. Excessively tall irons impede optimal employment of the primary sighting system. Impeding the primary sighting system to accommodate a low probability event (optics failure while using a suppressor) is poor judgment.

[HCM]

I agree. There are exceptions of course, and every european country with a bit or firearms culture left (Austria, Czechia, France, Italy etc) will have a few of these gifted shooters. Mostly IPSC/3 gun competitors, with a couple enthusiast cops sprinkled in.

But both from an institutional and cultural standpoint they are not "shooters" or "gunfighters", they dont identify as such and have no interest in it.

This sounds a lot like the Northeast (NY, NJ, CT, MA).

It’s very sad.

[Le Français]

The US has a lot more competent shooters than Europe does, but has many more gun owners in general. I wouldn’t bet on the average American gun owner being more technically proficient than the average European gun owner. The former is more likely to be completely untrained and largely uninterested, whereas the latter has had to jump through more hoops with a specific use in mind, and is more likely to be a careful enthusiast.

They are separate issues, but this reminds me that Americans have more of a car culture, but man oh man do we suck at driving compared to Europeans. It’s not even close.

[Le Français]

I’ve shot with “special folks” from three NATO countries …. Their shooting was …. Not special.


How many American “special folks” would look special shooting against 300-lb IT guys and 100-lb oral surgeons at a local USPSA match? Let’s just say we both know that we’d want to know more than their unit and job before we’d confidently put our money on them at the match. And some 17-yo landscaper would still make them look like they had never picked up a pistol before that morning.

[HCM]

How many American “special folks” would look special shooting against 300-lb IT guys and 100-lb oral surgeons at a local USPSA match? Let’s just say we both know that we’d want to know more than their unit and job before we’d confidently put our money on them at the match. And some 17-yo landscaper would still make them look like they had never picked up a pistol before that morning.

That’s a whole other standard.

I’ve shot with their American equivalents too. Even by institutional standards they’re consistently better than their NATO equivalents.

[Greg Bell]

Y'all be nice!

[YVK]

My memory may be off on this but I think Bill Rogers implied that the best performing unit that went through his school was from one of the Scandinavian country.
GJM

[Lex Luthier]

One sighted in the wild this week: an armored transport driver collecting from a local Costco had a 4.5” PDP variant with a brass mag well and what looked like a Trijicon optic.

[Doc_Glock]

How many American “special folks” would look special shooting against 300-lb IT guys and 100-lb oral surgeons at a local USPSA match? Let’s just say we both know that we’d want to know more than their unit and job before we’d confidently put our money on them at the match. And some 17-yo landscaper would still make them look like they had never picked up a pistol before that morning.

LOL brilliant post.

[SamueL]

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[Sherman A. House DDS]

My memory may be off on this but I think Bill Rogers implied that the best performing unit that went through his school was from one of the Scandinavian country.
GJM

They were from Denmark. William Aprill sent them there, and then they came to Nashville to see me.


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[Dave Williams]

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New guns well received by the troops?

[RealSelf]

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Uh... is this really a 'thing'? I've not seen this officially released anywhere and cannot find any reference to such a beast online. Can you share the source, etc? I can't help but think this is some sort of Frankengun where the upper has been swapped with either the ACRO/PDP factory slide or PDP Pro w/ Acro.

[SamueL]

New guns well received by the troops?

It's been a slow rollout, but the PDP has been well received by those who have transitioned.


Uh... is this really a 'thing'? I've not seen this officially released anywhere and cannot find any reference to such a beast online. Can you share the source, etc? I can't help but think this is some sort of Frankengun where the upper has been swapped with either the ACRO/PDP factory slide or PDP Pro w/ Acro.

Not a Frankengun. It's a LE contract model with a unique SKU.

[RealSelf]

Not a Frankengun. It's a LE contract model with a unique SKU.

Super cool, do you know are these exclusive to a single agency or are they out there in the LE market to indiviuals? SKU?

[Dave Williams]

It's been a slow rollout, but the PDP has been well received by those who have transitioned.


Thanks for the information.

[Default.mp3]

Edit: incorrect info.

[SamueL]

Super cool, do you know are these exclusive to a single agency or are they out there in the LE market to indiviuals? SKU?

These and 4.5" Compact with a full rail and factory ACRO cut model, and the associated SKUs, are exclusive to a single agency.

[RealSelf]

These and 4.5" Compact with a full rail and factory ACRO cut model, and the associated SKUs, are exclusive to a single agency.

I had a feeling that were the case but maybe they will see a market for something like this in the greater market moving forwards.

[NIU2009]

I picked up a PDP Compact 5”. I’ve been considering a PDP for a while and I’m glad I finally picked one up. The Holosun SCS for the PDP mates up perfectly and sits really low. The only other addition I made was a Sprinco reduced power safety plunger spring. It took about a half pound off the pull.

[SamueL]

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[MountainRaven]

Wish that were available as a factory option. (At least with the 4.5" barrel, if not also direct mill for the Acro.)

[NIU2009]

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What iron sights are on that?

[SamueL]

Wish that were available as a factory option.
Walther is supposed to release new products this September during their TEQFEST (https://waltherarms.com/teqfest).



What iron sights are on that?
XS Sights RD3 standard height night sights with the green Photoluminescent glow dot front.

[GmanVP9]

Question for you PDP guys:

1. What size did you end up going with?

2. Any issues or problems?

3. Do you find it a bit snappy?

[Le Français]

3. Do you find it a bit snappy?

I don’t have a PDP, but I did talk with a USPSA competitor who uses one a lot, and did not find it snappy. I asked about that specifically, because I had heard several reports of sharp recoil.

[Jason M]

Question for you PDP guys:

1. What size did you end up going with?

2. Any issues or problems?

3. Do you find it a bit snappy?

PDP Compact 4 inch

No problems at all.

I don't know if snappy is the right word. The slide is weighty. It could be felt as it hit the rear of its travel and its return to lock up. It was noticeably different than the regular frame Glocks. Enough that I sent the PDP down the road.

[HCM]

Question for you PDP guys:

1. What size did you end up going with?

2. Any issues or problems?

3. Do you find it a bit snappy?

I have a 4.5” standard PDP. It is accurate and reliable.

The gun is “snappy” as you describe it. I would describe it as the gun is over sprung and for me when shooting quickly, the gun does not return to point of aim but rather dips below POA because the factory 18lb recoil spring is too heavy. I tried both of 13 pound and a 15 pound spring. The 13 pound felt great but was not reliable with all ammo types, the 15 round was reliable with everything and corrected the issue.

[Hot Sauce]

I have a 4.5” standard PDP. It is accurate and reliable.

The gun is “snappy” as you describe it. I would describe it as the gun is over sprung and for me when shooting quickly, the gun does not return to point of aim but rather dips below POA because the factory 18lb recoil spring is too heavy. I tried both of 13 pound and a 15 pound spring. The 13 pound felt great but was not reliable with all ammo types, the 15 round was reliable with everything and corrected the issue.

I’m assuming that because the stock spring is captured that you’re using an aftermarket guide rod to be able to spring tune?

[HCM]

I’m assuming that because the stock spring is captured that you’re using an aftermarket guide rod to be able to spring tune?

I started with an aftermarket guide rod that takes loose Springs, however, it makes field shipping a giant PITA so I just bought a aftermarket captured 15 pounds spring once I figured out the appropriate weight. Both from ZR Solutions

[Hot Sauce]

I started with an aftermarket guide rod that takes loose Springs, however, it makes field shipping a giant PITA so I just bought a aftermarket captured 15 pounds spring once I figured out the appropriate weight. Both from ZR Solutions

https://zrtacticalsolutions.com/walther-ppq-pdp-captured-guide-rod/

This one I assume.

What kind of round counts are replacing it at?

[HCM]

https://zrtacticalsolutions.com/walther-ppq-pdp-captured-guide-rod/

This one I assume.

What kind of round counts are replacing it at?

PDP is a side show for me. But 5-7k sounds right.

[Hot Sauce]

PDP is a side show for me. But 5-7k sounds right.

Yep, understood that it’s not your duty rig. Thanks.

[HCM]

Yep, understood that it’s not your duty rig. Thanks.

Not my competition rig either I have maybe 3 k on it.
More like an experiment.

TLDR - the PDP works, but for me the juice is not worth the squeeze. For a “not SIG/Glock” I shoot the M&P 2.0 better with less effort. And I say that as someone who did not like the M&P 1.0.

[DaBigBR]

Question for you PDP guys:

1. What size did you end up going with?

2. Any issues or problems?

3. Do you find it a bit snappy?

I started on a full-size 5" shortly after they came out. I put a 508T on it and shot it a little but just didn't love it. I thought it was a little on the snappy side and it didn't do anything really that my Q5 Match SF didn't do except for have slightly better capacity. I flirted with them again last summer borrowing a compact 4" from a coworker. I found it to be snappy as well, but I realized that when it was time to shoot fast, I got the splits and hits I was looking for (or better) and that the snappiness was only really a thing in slow fire (think 25 yard B8s).

I ended up ordering a 5" Match Steel Frame and received it in mid June of this year. I installed Lok Bogies (the palm swell version), the ZR Tactical long stroke guide rod (14 pound spring), a 507comp, ZRTS +4 mag extensions, and and I pulled the magwell to shoot it in USPSA Carry Optics. I put 10,000 rounds on it in about two months with zero cleaning. I added lubricant when the slide was sluggish going back into battery with the lighter spring. I had two malfunctions in that 10,000+ rounds...a squib and a failure to fire. The squib was obviously ammunition related and the failure to fire happened during a match and I was not able to locate the round to see what the primer strike looked like. I have been delighted by the PDP Match SF and will likely buy another one (a spare parts kit, fully assembled as a gun). The long stroke guide rod really transforms the feel of the gun.

With such great results with the SF, I ordered a polymer compact 5" to carry. I installed an EPS, the Dynamic Performance Trigger, a brass backstrap, and ZRTS long stroke guide rod (even though ZRTS says not to) in it. With an X300T installed, the gun balances very nicely. It is snappier than the steel frame, but even with the light and brass backstrap, it's several ounces lighter. I ran that gun to 1,000 rounds in about 9 days before cleaning it up to start carrying it.

I really dig the platform and think it's worth a look.

[DaBigBR]

Walther is supposed to release new products this September during their TEQFEST (https://waltherarms.com/teqfest).



XS Sights RD3 standard height night sights with the green Photoluminescent glow dot front.

Zander's Sporting Goods, a national distributor, had listed several SKUs probably accidentally last week. They're gone now but I got a screenshot:

723364231087 - PDP PRO-X PPM Compact 9mm 4.6" 18-Shot Black Frame MAP $950
723364231100 - PDP PRO-X PPM Full Sz 9mm 4.6" 20-Shot Black Frame - MAP $950
423364231124 - PDP PRO-X Radian F Series 9mm 4.1" 18-Shot Black - MAP $1,050

There were also 10 round versions of each one listed. The description of the "PPM" ones specifically said "Parker Mountain Machine" on the page for the item, so I'm sure "PPM" was a typo. I am curious about the radian model. My assumption is that it will be a Ramjet/Afterburner for the PDP F Series.

[SamueL]

Zander's Sporting Goods, a national distributor, had listed several SKUs probably accidentally last week. They're gone now but I got a screenshot:

723364231087 - PDP PRO-X PPM Compact 9mm 4.6" 18-Shot Black Frame MAP $950
723364231100 - PDP PRO-X PPM Full Sz 9mm 4.6" 20-Shot Black Frame - MAP $950
423364231124 - PDP PRO-X Radian F Series 9mm 4.1" 18-Shot Black - MAP $1,050


In addition to those, it looks like Walther is releasing Pro SD models of the F-Series...


WALTHER PDP PRO SD F-SERIES 9MM 4.6" 18-SHOT BLACK FRAME | UPC: 723364231155 / SKU: 4796040 | MSRP $899.00

WALTHER PDP PRO SD F-SERIES 9MM 4.1" 18-SHOT BLACK FRAME | UPC: 723364231179 / SKU: 4796042 | MSRP: $899.00

[GJM]

Curious about all the comp models, seems so 2023. :p

[DaBigBR]

Curious about all the comp models, seems so 2023. :p

It kinda does, but I like that Walther is working with the aftermarket. They obviously already sell aftermarket produced parts (like ZR Tactical guide rods) on their own site.

[Sasage]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3ATSEMTNh8&ab_channel=HonestOutlaw

[Glocks_Fly_Together]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3ATSEMTNh8&ab_channel=HonestOutlaw

Not super excited about anything from TEQ-fest but this is largely a USPSA pistol platform to me. How's everybody enjoying their PDPs?

I'll provide some 2 cents for fun. I agree it shoots fast very well, agree it's somewhat snappier--most of my thoughts just contribute to the common comments about them.

What I don't often see mentioned: I really don't love this plastic material they use for the frame. I think it feels too light and brittle, and I wonder if its part of a minor thing I see sometimes where the pin for the slide lock lever that also holds the trigger in place seems to get a bit fused together--then people end up breaking the frame pretty easily trying to get it out. Plus I feel like it tears up from reloading magazines more quickly than similar pistols--at least with my reload practice. Still like them overall but just some nit picks from living with it for a while.

[JTQ]

Ben Stoeger talks PDP


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEnTmtQ3PLY

[MountainRaven]

Ben Stoeger talks PDP


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEnTmtQ3PLY

OK. What does he say? CliffsNotes version, if you'd be so kind.

Also: When did he post it?

[JTQ]

OK. What does he say? CliffsNotes version, if you'd be so kind.

Also: When did he post it?
He likes it.

It was posted yesterday, or perhaps the day before.

[JTQ]

The bulk of the PDP stuff is in the first couple of minutes.

Since everything these days is in relation to a Glock, he likes the PDP grip, trigger, and sights better. He's not sure about the long term durability.

In a previous video, he did comment (and showed it happening with a PDP in his hand) about the ability to take the gun slightly out of battery and then back into battery and then end up with a dead trigger.

[45dotACP]

The bulk of the PDP stuff is in the first couple of minutes.

Since everything these days is in relation to a Glock, he likes the PDP grip, trigger, and sights better. He's not sure about the long term durability.

In a previous video, he did comment (and showed it happening with a PDP in his hand) about the ability to take the gun slightly out of battery and then back into battery and then end up with a dead trigger.The dead trigger issue when the gun returns to battery just makes the PDP a no for me.

So far, thr only person I've heard bring that up is Ben, which is weird considering he's a gamer.

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[JTQ]

He also has some nice things to say about the CZ P-10 in that video

[Default.mp3]

The dead trigger issue when the gun returns to battery just makes the PDP a no for me.

So far, thr only person I've heard bring that up is Ben, which is weird considering he's a gamer.It's been known for awhile, and discussed in this very thread. Not sure how well known it is in wider circles, though.


Looks like the PDP has the same issue as the PPQ where if the slide is pushed out of battery and you pull the trigger, you end up with a dead trigger even when the slide goes back into battery, so you have to rack the slide to be able to fire again.

Source: https://primaryandsecondary.com/forum/index.php?threads/caution-using-the-pdp-as-a-duty-weapon.8531/#post-48743

[HCM]

The dead trigger issue when the gun returns to battery just makes the PDP a no for me.

So far, thr only person I've heard bring that up is Ben, which is weird considering he's a gamer.

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That issue was fixed in guns from around December 2022 and later. Any PDP made in 2023 or later doesn’t have that issue. I believe this issue was addressed at the same time. Walther released their Gen 2 optics cut.

BS does private classes for a lot of LE /MIL organizations. He got information regarding the dead trigger / out of battery issue from an LE agency in AZ that discovered it during their testing of the PDP as a potential duty weapon.

It is common practice for such testing to be conducted under NDA.

And it’s also maybe not a coincidence that when BS first talked about the out of battery issue with the original PDP. He was in the midst of a very public feud with another instructor who is associated with the PDP.

[45dotACP]

That issue was fixed in guns from around December 2022 and later. Any PDP made in 2023 or later doesn’t have that issue. I believe this issue was addressed at the same time. Walther released their Gen 2 optics cut.

BS does private classes for a lot of LE /MIL organizations. He got information regarding the dead trigger / out of battery issue from an LE agency in AZ that discovered it during their testing of the PDP as a potential duty weapon.

It is common practice for such testing to be conducted under NDA.

And it’s also maybe not a coincidence that when BS first talked about the out of battery issue with the original PDP. He was in the midst of a very public feud with another instructor who is associated with the PDP.Ugh, gun guy drama is the worst.

I wasn't aware it was fixed. I suppose I'll keep an eye out for a newer model...the one I tried out a few months back must've been an older one.


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[HCM]

Ugh, gun guy drama is the worst.

I wasn't aware it was fixed. I suppose I'll keep an eye out for a newer model...the one I tried out a few months back must've been an older one.


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The fix was discussed in this thread.

The PDP are all made in Europe, so they normally all have the year of production on the gun. Anything 23 and newer is fine.

Essentially, if it has the second generation optics cut, it should have the out of battery issue addressed.

I can’t remember whether or not Walther can retrofit/ fix the out of battery issue in the older guns or not.

[RealSelf]

The fix was discussed in this thread.

The PDP are all made in Europe, so they normally all have the year of production on the gun. Anything 23 and newer is fine.

Essentially, if it has the second generation optics cut, it should have the out of battery issue addressed.

I can’t remember whether or not Walther can retrofit/ fix the out of battery issue in the older guns or not.

Did this issue ever affect the PDP-F? I'd assume not since it's quite different design internally, thanks in advance!

[Glocks_Fly_Together]

Did this issue ever affect the PDP-F? I'd assume not since it's quite different design internally, thanks in advance!

PDP-F was released around the time of the change to prevent the dead trigger thing, to my knowledge there weren't any early models affected by it.

[Sasage]

How’s the DPT install? I’ve heard reports of broken frames.

[Glocks_Fly_Together]

How’s the DPT install? I’ve heard reports of broken frames.

Neither myself nor a local gunsmith could get the dang original trigger/slide stop pin out without causing damage, so we had to send it in. Walther returned it in about 3 weeks with the new one installed. I suspect it wouldn’t have been that difficult if I hadn’t already put a lot of rounds down range on it (relatively speaking). It seems like the guys who install one on a brand new pistol have an easier time.

[stinx]

Neither myself nor a local gunsmith could get the dang original trigger/slide stop pin out without causing damage, so we had to send it in. Walther returned it in about 3 weeks with the new one installed. I suspect it wouldn’t have been that difficult if I hadn’t already put a lot of rounds down range on it (relatively speaking). It seems like the guys who install one on a brand new pistol have an easier time.

There was a certain batch of PDPs that there was an issue with the pins I will have to go back to my notes I took at the armorers class. Walther would fix free of charge. People breaking frames is due to not supporting the frame properly during install or removal.

[newyork]

I’m curious why I never see much here on the Pdp anymore. Are people happy with it so there’s no news or has it fallen out of favor here or something else.

[Glocks_Fly_Together]

I’m curious why I never see much here on the Pdp anymore. Are people happy with it so there’s no news or has it fallen out of favor here or something else.

Personally I’m moving on from it. Slide is tall and pokes out the back pretty far, and even on the compact the slide to grip height is pretty long. So concealability for me is more challenging than the equivalent M&P or Glock. I ultimately prefer to keep my USPSA gear on the same platform as carry so that makes me enjoy the full size 5” a bit less, though I shoot it well. I can perform comparably with Glock or M&P and prefer those carry options, especially since Glock can take the SCD.

I also feel like the polymer is easier to damage on the PDP, and the magwell gets chewed up super fast from reload practice—though perhaps I am just terrible at it and cause excessive wear or that wouldn’t bother someone else.

The trigger is super nice on the PDPand it’s very accurate so no argument there—but that’s not enough of a selling point for the things that annoy me about it.

[newyork]

I’d wonder how the new VP9F and K perform. For some reason they strike me as being in the same lane.

Thanks for your response.

[YVK]

I’m curious why I never see much here on the Pdp anymore. Are people happy with it so there’s no news or has it fallen out of favor here or something else.

I sold their flagship steel frame competition gun after 300 rounds. Except for the trigger there was nothing that I liked about it.

[newyork]

I sold their flagship steel frame competition gun after 300 rounds. Except for the trigger there was nothing that I liked about it.

Wow! That says a lot.

[GJM]

Where a few years ago there was quite a bit of buzz around Walther and Canik, very few people seem to care about those anymore.

[4RNR]

Im still interested in the Mete 9L? Whichever is the competitor the 365 Macro. Just not in a hurry to buy one at the moment

[maximus83]

Where a few years ago there was quite a bit of buzz around Walther and Canik, very few people seem to care about those anymore.

Thoughts on why? Never owned a Walther, but still hear certain people pushing Walther esp the PDP, so I'm curious what has changed.

[GJM]

Thoughts on why? Never owned a Walther, but still hear certain people pushing Walther esp the PDP, so I'm curious what has changed.

I could only guess as to the why, but I see almost nobody shooting a Walther or Canik, where in USPSA a few years back, they were the new hotness.

My guess is that the Walther recoils quite a bit, and despite the trigger, doesn’t do anything better than a Glock. The Canik has been held back by reliability issues and a lack of parts/general support.

[LockedBreech]

Speaking as a pretty bad collector of redundant lines of striker autos, GJM pretty much hit the nail on the head, I think.

I have 8 Glocks and 7 M&Ps. Huge overlap and redundancy. But I was willing to set up holsters and carriers and such because I have found both platforms essentially perfect for my purposes. Never had a stoppage from one of the 15 and I find both very pleasant to shoot. They're also similar enough in manual of arms and trigger that I find my skills essentially transferable. Practice with a Glock is pretty close to practice with an M&P.

I added 2 Beretta APX (an A0 fullsize and an A1 centurion) and holsters/carriers for them because I like Beretta. I like them a bit less than my Glocks and M&Ps but they're great overall. Built like brick shithouses, pleasant shooting, and I trust Beretta build quality.

I had owned and liked a Walther PPS before, so I was open-minded to adding a few PDPs. However, following user reports for a few years, the consistent report was that they were pretty snappy to shoot compared to similar-sized M&Ps or Glocks. That kinda sealed it for me. I don't know why I would spend money for worse shooting characteristics. I just didn't see what they offered on top of that. Still probably solid guns and if I didn't own anything else I'd probably be happy enough with them.

Canik...hard to explain why I've never pulled the trigger on one. Partly because I can't stand Erdogan and his tendency to cozy up to Russia, partly because they still are relatively unestablished in reputable shooting circles, partly because I've never seen data on how they do in duty/field use outside of Turkey. I suppose I just don't trust the quality yet. I'm sure the triggers are nice and some of the feature sets look good, but none of that matters much for me compared to parts quality and reliability. I hope I end up being wrong and they are here to stay, as the industry can always use more competition.

[Glocks_Fly_Together]

Speaking as a pretty bad collector of redundant

Canik...hard to explain why I've never pulled the trigger on one. Partly because I can't stand Erdogan and his tendency to cozy up to Russia, partly because they still are relatively unestablished in reputable shooting circles, partly because I've never seen data on how they do in duty/field use outside of Turkey. I suppose I just don't trust the quality yet. I'm sure the triggers are nice and some of the feature sets look good, but none of that matters much for me compared to parts quality and reliability. I hope I end up being wrong and they are here to stay, as the industry can always use more competition.

Plus those caniks sure like to drop their strikers onto the firing pin block from a short drop.

[G19Fan]

Speaking as a pretty bad collector of redundant lines of striker autos, GJM pretty much hit the nail on the head, I think.

I have 8 Glocks and 7 M&Ps. Huge overlap and redundancy. But I was willing to set up holsters and carriers and such because I have found both platforms essentially perfect for my purposes. Never had a stoppage from one of the 15 and I find both very pleasant to shoot. They're also similar enough in manual of arms and trigger that I find my skills essentially transferable. Practice with a Glock is pretty close to practice with an M&P.

I added 2 Beretta APX (an A0 fullsize and an A1 centurion) and holsters/carriers for them because I like Beretta. I like them a bit less than my Glocks and M&Ps but they're great overall. Built like brick shithouses, pleasant shooting, and I trust Beretta build quality.

I had owned and liked a Walther PPS before, so I was open-minded to adding a few PDPs. However, following user reports for a few years, the consistent report was that they were pretty snappy to shoot compared to similar-sized M&Ps or Glocks. That kinda sealed it for me. I don't know why I would spend money for worse shooting characteristics. I just didn't see what they offered on top of that. Still probably solid guns and if I didn't own anything else I'd probably be happy enough with them.

Canik...hard to explain why I've never pulled the trigger on one. Partly because I can't stand Erdogan and his tendency to cozy up to Russia, partly because they still are relatively unestablished in reputable shooting circles, partly because I've never seen data on how they do in duty/field use outside of Turkey. I suppose I just don't trust the quality yet. I'm sure the triggers are nice and some of the feature sets look good, but none of that matters much for me compared to parts quality and reliability. I hope I end up being wrong and they are here to stay, as the industry can always use more competition.

Yours is a good list. G19, M&P9 and p365s are only handguns we own

[SamueL]

I've been trying very hard to like my issued PDP. I would much rather run a Glock or M&P, heck even have kept the Sig.

[Dave Williams]

I've been trying very hard to like my issued PDP. I would much rather run a Glock or M&P, heck even have kept the Sig.

Sorry to hear that, I have been saddled with duty guns I didn't like before I know how it is. I've been following this issue and was shocked to say the least when I heard about it.

What is the issue that you are having?

[Dave Williams]

Oops

[Archer1440]

Where a few years ago there was quite a bit of buzz around Walther and Canik, very few people seem to care about those anymore.

I seem to recall some pushback from some folks here when I said “wait a year” on those things. Sure enough, by the following year they reconfigured the optics interface, and not long after that, did an Sig-style “stealth upgrade” to deal with the dead trigger issue.

I’m in the exact same mode now with the HD4 some folks here seem to be pitching as the greatest thing since frozen yogurt. I suspect it will be a much better product in about 6-9 months. With a few prominent exceptions (usually with an origin in Oberndorf) gun companies seem to tend to be using consumers as beta testers more than ever.

[KneeShot]

Picked up a PDP-SD 5.1” for a good price on Veterans Day. Put an ACRO P-2 on it. It’s my first RDS pistol. Everything about the gun felt great in the store. What felt great about the trigger in the store is what I now struggle with (anticipating the break). I’m very used to the prep/press rolling break of my G17 gen 5. Also kind of weird since I’ve spent some decent time w/ decent 1911’s w/ slight take up and a wall similar to the pdp.

Only have about 500rds through the pdp. If I knew the Glock ACO combo was gonna drop I would have waited and spent the money on an Glock45 ACO combo so I could focus on learning target focus RDS fundamentals w/ a familiar grip and trigger press.

Or if I could have found a pre-milled G17g5 ACRO P-2 slide, which surprisingly to me is hard to find.

I don’t notice any additional snappiness from the recoil.

No issues in 500rds running NATO 9mm and frang.

[HCM]

I could only guess as to the why, but I see almost nobody shooting a Walther or Canik, where in USPSA a few years back, they were the new hotness.

My guess is that the Walther recoils quite a bit, and despite the trigger, doesn’t do anything better than a Glock. The Canik has been held back by reliability issues and a lack of parts/general support.

The PDP is snappy, and a bit over sprung. A 15 lb recoil spring (vs the standard 18lb) helps.

The grip shape feels good and feels like its texture should be grippy enough in dry handling. But neither seems to translate into live fire. I notice even Joel Park, who is still shooting the PDP says they need silicon carbide or other treatments increase the “grippy-ness.”

The gun is snappy but I also struggle to get it to return consistently vs Sig, Glock, or S&W.

Even stranger, both myself and another shooter who also has XXL size hands shoot the PDP-F better than the full size.

It’s just weird. It’s also sad since the gun is accurate, reliable and has one of the nicest striker triggers out of the box.

[GJM]

The PDP is snappy, and a bit over sprung. A 15 lb recoil spring (vs the standard 18lb) helps.

The grip shape feels good and feels like its texture should be grippy enough in dry handling. But neither seems to translate into live fire. I notice even Joel Park, who is still shooting the PDP says they need silicon carbide or other treatments increase the “grippy-ness.”

The gun is snappy but I also struggle to get it to return consistently vs Sig, Glock, or S&W.

Even stranger, both myself and another shooter who also has XXL size hands shoot the PDP-F better than the full size.

It’s just weird. It’s also sad since the gun is accurate, reliable and has one of the nicest striker triggers out of the box.

I still have callous on the base of my thumb from a few years ago, when I was shooting the PDP. The flat area on the left side of the PDP beavertail beats the crap out of the base of my strong thumb. I whittled on that area to take away material, which helps but doesn’t fully solve the problem. The PDP did the same thing and I got such a raised sore area I had to stop shooting the PDP after a bit.

[LockedBreech]

The takeaway from the PDP, for me, seems to be that as much as the wheel has been reinvented and perfected over the last 20 years, it's still not easy to make a truly great striker-fired platform. A company can get almost everything right and still have that not be quite good enough given the point of refinement Glocks and M&Ps have reached.

The APX is another example. I grabbed two because I love Beretta. The A1 series in the Centurion-sized is particularly excellent. But I still found my M&Ps and Glocks just a tiny intangible bit better at the firing line.

I don't envy engineers/companies trying to straight-on compete with Glock and M&P these days. It's a nearly impossible task to overcome incremental upgrades learned across millions of hours of both company and consumer field testing. Like playing chess, making a Glock or Glock-alike seems so simple at first glance, but it's not.

[SamueL]

What is the issue that you are having?

As HCM mentioned, the PDP is snappy and I don't shoot it as good or as fast as the M&P (and probably Glock). Heck, I am actually adequately quicker with the Shield Plus but I have significantly more time on and rounds through it than the PDP. That is my personal issue. There are institutional issues but they have nothing to do with the PDP itself.

I have found the PDP to be plenty accurate as is. The PDP-F is ergonomically suited for my little hands. With the small backstrap, I do not have to break my grip to activate the mag release. It does have that going for it compared to its issued predecessor. That and more ammo.

My current gig gives me little time for the range. I am certain I could get close to my performance with the M&P if I put in more time and ammo and fully committed to the PDP, but the snappiness isn't going anywhere. Unfortunately I cannot experiment with different recoil springs.

[Dave Williams]

As HCM mentioned, the PDP is snappy and I don't shoot it as good or as fast as the M&P (and probably Glock). Heck, I am actually adequately quicker with the Shield Plus but I have significantly more time on and rounds through it than the PDP. That is my personal issue. There are institutional issues but they have nothing to do with the PDP itself.

I have found the PDP to be plenty accurate as is. The PDP-F is ergonomically suited for my little hands. With the small backstrap, I do not have to break my grip to activate the mag release. It does have that going for it compared to its issued predecessor. That and more ammo.

My current gig gives me little time for the range. I am certain I could get close to my performance with the M&P if I put in more time and ammo and fully committed to the PDP, but the snappiness isn't going anywhere. Unfortunately I cannot experiment with different recoil springs.

Yes, you are in a pickle, recoil spring swap out is the main thing often discussed with this gun. Count yourself lucky though, that you weren't issued a S&W 4586 like I was, holy cow what a POS. It’s a big experiment, 5,000 PDPs issued. When I was issued the 4586, I had a nice High Desert kydex holster made for it, and I shot IDPA with it. I also had a nice custom leather pancake holster made for it, and I carried it off duty. We also had a nice laser dry fire system for it, so I got dialed in with it. So I did as you suggested, fully committed to it. I would go that route for the PDP.

[MVS]

I'm enjoying my new PDP steel frame, but then I really liked the Q5. These guns work very well for me from an ergonomic standpoint, almost as well as a Sig AXG but with the benefit of much better accuracy and trigger.

[Calvin118]

The PDP is snappy, and a bit over sprung. A 15 lb recoil spring (vs the standard 18lb) helps.

The gun is snappy but I also struggle to get it to return consistently vs Sig, Glock, or S&W.

Even stranger, both myself and another shooter who also has XXL size hands shoot the PDP-F better than the full size.

It’s just weird. It’s also sad since the gun is accurate, reliable and has one of the nicest striker triggers out of the box.

I also have very large hands. I find the PDP grip to be a bit on the small side even with the "large" back strap. This allows the gun to squirm a bit in the hand and not return to zero as well as the m&p, sig 320 with large grip frame or Glock with a large beaver tail back strap. It is very accurate and the trigger is great for precision but in practical pistol drills it lags behind in my hands

[HCM]

I also have very large hands. I find the PDP grip to be a bit on the small side even with the "large" back strap. This allows the gun to squirm a bit in the hand and not return to zero as well as the m&p, sig 320 with large grip frame or Glock with a large beaver tail back strap. It is very accurate and the trigger is great for precision but in practical pistol drills it lags behind in my hands

I run my 320s with the Medium X grip, Glock Gen 4/5 with no backstrap and the M/L grip insert on the M&P.

A lot of my fellow FIs at work with “normal” size hands are actually running the S X grip.

I’ve tried all 3 grip’s on the PDP and all allowed the gun to squirm and not return consistently.

[Kirk]

The PDP is snappy, and a bit over sprung. A 15 lb recoil spring (vs the standard 18lb) helps.

The grip shape feels good and feels like its texture should be grippy enough in dry handling. But neither seems to translate into live fire. I notice even Joel Park, who is still shooting the PDP says they need silicon carbide or other treatments increase the “grippy-ness.”

The gun is snappy but I also struggle to get it to return consistently vs Sig, Glock, or S&W.

Even stranger, both myself and another shooter who also has XXL size hands shoot the PDP-F better than the full size.

It’s just weird. It’s also sad since the gun is accurate, reliable and has one of the nicest striker triggers out of the box.

This mimics my experience with the PDPs. The Walthers always seem a bit over sprung and snappy - I shot the heck out of a PPQ when it was first released but it felt almost like shooting a .40 compared to some of my other 9mms lol. The PDP is an upgrade in that department over the PPQ but it still is snappier than my Glocks for sure IME.

I wanted to love it; I was an early adopter who bought 3 just so I could have enough mags. The trigger is phenomenal and the Walther strikers are just incredibly reliable, but I moved back to Glock because of the snappiness and somewhat strange tracking (to me).

[Timbonez]

I'm enjoying my new PDP steel frame, but then I really liked the Q5. These guns work very well for me from an ergonomic standpoint, almost as well as a Sig AXG but with the benefit of much better accuracy and trigger.

I agree with this. I enjoy my Match SF. It's very easy to shoot and definitely better than the AXG Legion.

[Cool Breeze]

I'm curious if anyone actually conceal carry a PDP in any form? I see the specs on handgun hero and it looks similar to other guns in its class, but man does that thing look bulky. That's definitely a drawback I would consider, if I wanted to explore switching to it.

[Timbonez]

I'm curious if anyone actually conceal carry a PDP in any form? I see the specs on handgun hero and it looks similar to other guns in its class, but man does that thing look bulky. That's definitely a drawback I would consider, if I wanted to explore switching to it.

Despite being a 1911 guy, I carry a PDP Compact 4"

[Elwin]

Despite being a 1911 guy, I carry a PDP Compact 4"

Instead of a 1911 or in addition to one?

I have noticed that the Walthers index more similarly to a 1911 than even, for example, an M&P, which is one thing I like about them.

[Glocks_Fly_Together]

This mimics my experience with the PDPs. The Walthers always seem a bit over sprung and snappy - I shot the heck out of a PPQ when it was first released but it felt almost like shooting a .40 compared to some of my other 9mms lol. The PDP is an upgrade in that department over the PPQ but it still is snappier than my Glocks for sure IME.

I wanted to love it; I was an early adopter who bought 3 just so I could have enough mags. The trigger is phenomenal and the Walther strikers are just incredibly reliable, but I moved back to Glock because of the snappiness and somewhat strange tracking (to me).

Same, really wanted to like the PDP but I just prefer the Glock with a GPT at the end of the day.

[Timbonez]

Instead of a 1911 or in addition to one?

I have noticed that the Walthers index more similarly to a 1911 than even, for example, an M&P, which is one thing I like about them.

In addition. I either carry the PDP Compact or a full size 1911.

[Elwin]

In addition. I either carry the PDP Compact or a full size 1911.

Not that it’s my life or money, but I was going to be quite surprised if you put as much time and effort into 1911s as you clearly do and didn’t carry them! Though I’m remembering now you’ve mentioned planning to carry the one you built.

It’s also nice to find other millennials (I assume?) carrying the old man gun.

Interesting that you’ve settled on that combo, as I’ve recently been looking at my wife’s PPQ and thinking I may have some uses for it. And I already carry a PPS when I can’t carry the 1911 but don’t have to go all the way down to a snub.

[Timbonez]

Not that it’s my life or money, but I was going to be quite surprised if you put as much time and effort into 1911s as you clearly do and didn’t carry them! Though I’m remembering now you’ve mentioned planning to carry the one you built.

It’s also nice to find other millennials (I assume?) carrying the old man gun.

Interesting that you’ve settled on that combo, as I’ve recently been looking at my wife’s PPQ and thinking I may have some uses for it. And I already carry a PPS when I can’t carry the 1911 but don’t have to go all the way down to a snub.

Of course I’d have to carry the 1911. It’s the firearm design with which I have the most trigger time. I haven’t started carrying my 1911 build, but it has been the gun I’ve been using in USPSA. I surpassed 2K rds recently, so my thread is due for an update. It’s a sweet shooter. I do have government model 1911s in 9 and .45 that I carry.

Yep, I’m a millenial for sure, and an older one at that. There are still a few years difference between me and Gen X, but it’s close. I grew up with the Beretta 92 as my favorite gun, and it still ranks very high for me, but the 1911 design became #1 for me shortly after I graduated college and commissioned into the Air Force.

I still appreciate striker fired guns, and some of them offer shooting performance that nears a nicely tuned 1911 for a fraction of the price. Since this is a PDP thread, and it’s the striker design that I like the most, I feel like the PDP has a lot to offer from the factory. I’ve got the Compact 4” as previously mentioned, a Professional that I got through Walther's Mil/LE program on ExpertVoice, as well as the PDP Match SF acquired the same way. The Professional and Match SF come with Walther’s dynamic performance trigger, which other than being a hinge design, mimics what I’ve come to expect from a good 1911 trigger. In other words, it’s easy for me to shoot those pistols and not have to spend a lot of time learning a new trigger. Even my compact, which has the standard PDP trigger, is fantastic.

The only thing I’ve done to my PDPs is that I’ve replaced the guide rods with models specific to their slide length from ZR Tactical Solutions and I use a lighter recoil spring in each versus the factory weight. That has been a common theme in this thread about the perceived snappiness of the PDP. I’m not recoil shy, nor do I believe anyone participating in this thread is recoil shy. However, since I shoot .45 regularly, I don’t find the PDPs particularly harsh or snappy in recoil even with their stock recoil springs.

Overall, they’re well made, ergonomic, possess fantastic triggers from the factory (both the PDT and DPT), and they’ve proven reliable for me thus far. Aftermarket doesn’t match Glock, M&P, or P320 levels, but there is enough of it that the gun remains a viable option for those not wanting the aforementioned 3.

[Sasage]

DPT currently 139 here and 125 with code welcome10

https://waltherarms.com/shop/dynamic-performance-trigger-black

[Wood]

The Firearm Blog posted this a day or two ago, it sounds like this upgraded PDP will will likely hit the states once Walther has fulfilled it's contracts.


https://youtu.be/IDcJ8-8V4LM?si=pl_EhJMukI28zg6w

The video's light on details unfortunately but I do like the look of it.

EDIT: also I must admit I'm impressed that the CEO of Walther is out there on the floor making presentations to the press.

[Timbonez]

Very cool. PDPs are great.

[SamueL]

Apparently the F-Series is exhibiting failure to fire issues that allegedly is linked to a special lubrication point that was added to the maintenance regime.

Has anyone else heard anything?

[Dave Williams]

Apparently the F-Series is exhibiting failure to fire issues that allegedly is linked to a special lubrication point that was added to the maintenance regime.

Has anyone else heard anything?

I field stripped a 4” F the other day comparing it to a standard 4” PDP. The F’s slide is skeletonized a bit, I'm assuming to make the slide easier to rack. I thought that it really opened up the striker channel to gunk, I'm wondering if that's the issue.

Can you elaborate on the lubrication plan?

[SamueL]

Can you elaborate on the lubrication plan?

Direction was given to apply "one (1) drop" of oil into the striker channel.

F-Series pistols that had this done are to be detail stripped by an armorer, the channel and striker thoroughly cleaned, and a light coat of oil applied.

The direction of lubrication through the striker channel has been rescinded.

[GJM]

Direction was given to apply "one (1) drop" of oil into the striker channel.

F-Series pistols that had this done are to be detail stripped by an armorer, the channel and striker thoroughly cleaned, and a light coat of oil applied.

The direction of lubrication through the striker channel has been rescinded.

Another good reason to never read the instructions! I wonder if the person that came up with that additional lubrication point ever owned a Glock?

[SamueL]

Another good reason to never read the instructions! I wonder if the person that came up with that additional lubrication point ever owned a Glock?

That lubrication point is not in the the owner's or armor's manuals. I believe it came from Walther engineers as it was taught at the armorer school.

[Dave Williams]

Well hopefully that resolves the issue, I really want the Walther to work out for PSP.

[Dave Williams]

This is the inside of the F 4” slide for anyone interested. You can see how the striker and spring are exposed.

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