Walther PDP New Duty pistol.

[Navin Johnson]

Anyone hit it with a a hammer yet?

[Archer1440]

I don’t know about you, but if I see someone sneaking up behind me with a hammer, I have a plan.

[Kirk]

For those that might know, what is the opinion of the IWB Floodlight from Phlster? I can't seem to find a light-bearing AIWB for my PDP Compact and figured I might give it a try. I thought I'd ask here first though before I buy

[GJM]

For those that might know, what is the opinion of the IWB Floodlight from Phlster? I can't seem to find a light-bearing AIWB for my PDP Compact and figured I might give it a try. I thought I'd ask here first though before I buy

That what I was using until I got my TREX, which I prefer.

[Archer1440]

For those that might know, what is the opinion of the IWB Floodlight from Phlster? I can't seem to find a light-bearing AIWB for my PDP Compact and figured I might give it a try. I thought I'd ask here first though before I buy

Somewhat to my annoyance my PHLster Floodlight has replaced just about everything else for me. I can hide a VP9L or VP9 with PMM comp with RMR and X300 just as comfortably, and more stably, than a P365 in a Blackpoint AIWB holster.

The Floodlight paired with DCC Mod4 clips is really exceptional, if your build allows for it.

I also have a Floodlight OWB and while it’s no USPSA speed holster, it is very good indeed.

Even though the PDP slide is quite wide, I see no reason it won’t work in a Floodlight AIWB, with the retention to the light and the widely adjustable slide fit. However, I might not be surprised if you do get a cheese-grater effect to some degree from those serrations.

[Archer1440]

That what I was using until I got my TREX, which I prefer.

You’re using your T-Rex holster AIWB?

[Whirlwind06]

Was able to fondle one today and the trigger was pretty darn good. The thing that surprised me the most was just how light the gun feels in the hand. Do you guys notice it when shooting? My 45 with a ACRO felt heavy next to it.

I noticed the same thing when I handled one at the LGS. It would be great for carrying but know about extended shooting sessions.

[GJM]

For those that might know, what is the opinion of the IWB Floodlight from Phlster? I can't seem to find a light-bearing AIWB for my PDP Compact and figured I might give it a try. I thought I'd ask here first though before I buy

I missed the IWB, as I was using a OWB Floodlight. Have the IWB Floodlight inbound but haven’t received it yet.

[GJM]

While the PDP slide is larger than a PPQ slide, I still needed the medium not large spacers in the OWB Floodlight. The OWB is good, but the TREX light bearing holster, which is specific to the PDP with X300 or TLR-1, draws better for me than than the Floodlight.

While no doubt without the expertise of DocGlock, I did some banging on my PDP this evening and couldn’t make the striker drop.

[Kirk]

That what I was using until I got my TREX, which I prefer.

Awesome, I'm going to pick up a TREX OWB while I wait on Red Hill Tactical to come out with a PDP option. I look forward to hearing what you think of the IWB Floodlight, it seems to be a really solid option overall.

I'm close to pulling the trigger on the Walther Dynamic Performance Trigger for at least one of my full size PDPs. I'll post my thoughts once I get it in/installed.

[Hot Cereal]

Does anyone know what the agency price on these is? The street prices I’ve seen (~$800) aren’t going to lend themselves very well to municipal contracts and budgets. Glock has a steep mark up for their consumer market, is Walther following a similar pricing format?

[chp5]

Does anyone know what the agency price on these is? The street prices I’ve seen (~$800) aren’t going to lend themselves very well to municipal contracts and budgets. Glock has a steep mark up for their consumer market, is Walther following a similar pricing format?

I just bought one for $650 + tax at my local, excellent gun store.

[GJM]

I just bought one for $650 + tax at my local, excellent gun store.

Same price at LGS for me this week.

[Kirk]

Regarding the "optic plate is going to break!!!" video, SpartanNC (Master USPSA guy and firearms trainer) has been working with Walther on these guns since September and none of his PDP optic plates have broken. He addressed this on his Instagram story today apparently after several people messaged him about it. I'm not sure how to link Instagram stories, but I did think it was encouraging that Walther has tested this gun with a lot of high round count competition shooters and they all have great things to say about them.

[Trukinjp13]

Is it easy to bump the slide stop like vp9/p226 on her?

I know I know. Change your grip and it won’t happen... but still.

I like the looks of her and it seems to have most everything available that usually sucks on a new pistol.


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[DpdG]

Is it easy to bump the slide stop like vp9/p226 on her?

I know I know. Change your grip and it won’t happen... but still.

I like the looks of her and it seems to have most everything available that usually sucks on a new pistol.


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I have frequent problems with the VP9 slide stop and had to change grip with the P226. Only about 200 rounds through the PDP so far, but no slide stop issues have presented yet.

[GJM]

From Walther on optic plate issue:


https://waltherarms.com/2021/03/15/walther-pdp-optic-plate-stress-test/

[JBP55]

I do not have one yet but was quoted $599 plus tax.

[Eyesquared]

From Walther on optic plate issue:


https://waltherarms.com/2021/03/15/walther-pdp-optic-plate-stress-test/

I think it's pretty impressive that they even bothered to give a serious response to what was basically clickbait.

[GJM]

It is interesting that they tested 10,000 to 50,000 rounds on different pistols with no maintenance and no damage. As I recall, HK recommends, or did recommend, changing the screws that hold the optic plate to the slide every 2,000 rounds.

Walther gets credit for providing this information, as I have not seen another manufacturer offer anything detailed on their optics plate system.

[Archer1440]

There’s a fine line between “striesand effect” and getting ahead of a problem for a company responding to a video like that... I think that they did a good job of staying on the right side of the line with their article.

[olstyn]

It is interesting that they tested 10,000 to 50,000 rounds on different pistols with no maintenance and no damage. As I recall, HK recommends, or did recommend, changing the screws that hold the optic plate to the slide every 2,000 rounds.

Walther gets credit for providing this information, as I have not seen another manufacturer offer anything detailed on their optics plate system.

I wonder if they did any other maintenance on the pistols during that time. The customer service rep I spoke to on the phone the last time I ordered extra recoil spring assemblies for my P99 seemed quite surprised that I wanted to replace them every 5K rounds. Best I can recall, she said something to the effect of "you know we can't give them to you for free if they're not broken, right," to which I replied that I wasn't asking for them for free, I was trying to do preventative maintenance on a schedule.

[Lex Luthier]

I do not have one yet but was quoted $599 plus tax.

That is the best street price I've seen yet.

[GJM]

I wonder if they did any other maintenance on the pistols during that time. The customer service rep I spoke to on the phone the last time I ordered extra recoil spring assemblies for my P99 seemed quite surprised that I wanted to replace them every 5K rounds. Best I can recall, she said something to the effect of "you know we can't give them to you for free if they're not broken, right," to which I replied that I wasn't asking for them for free, I was trying to do preventative maintenance on a schedule.

Thus what they say:

Two pistols were chosen. Each had 10,000 rounds shot with mounted Red Dot. No maintenance performed on the plates during the 10,000 rounds. No issues appeared, no loose screws.
One pistol was chosen and had 20,000 rounds shot with mounted Red Dot. No maintenance performed on the plates during the 10,000 rounds. No issues appeared, no loose screws.
One pistol was chosen and had 50,000 rounds shot with different versions of Red Dot sights and their corresponding adapter plates. While the same Red Dot and Mounting Plate were mounted, no maintenance at the plates was done, no issues appeared, no loose screws.

[revchuck38]

Thus what they say:

Two pistols were chosen. Each had 10,000 rounds shot with mounted Red Dot. No maintenance performed on the plates during the 10,000 rounds. No issues appeared, no loose screws.
One pistol was chosen and had 20,000 rounds shot with mounted Red Dot. No maintenance performed on the plates during the 10,000 rounds. No issues appeared, no loose screws.
One pistol was chosen and had 50,000 rounds shot with different versions of Red Dot sights and their corresponding adapter plates. While the same Red Dot and Mounting Plate were mounted, no maintenance at the plates was done, no issues appeared, no loose screws.

We've got enough loose screws here on P-F. ;)

I handled the full-size version at the LGS and it's pretty sweet.

olstyn - Thanks for the unintended reminder, I need to call them and get a couple of RSAs for mine and some base plates too.

[stinx]

i bought the compact version, should be arriving at my local gun stealer tomorrow, looking forward to shooting it.

[GJM]

I put together another full size PDP with Ameriglo GL-511 BUIS, and a Holosun 508T on a chip-wiz plate. Here it is next to a Compact with a 509T.

The 509T is currently my favorite carry optic as it carries like a RMR but is sealed.

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[Bart Noir]

I just picked up mine today ($620 prior to tax) and found that gunshops are not the place to go when COVID checks are arriving in bank accounts. But I eventually got my gun after the WA State law enforcement approval, which took less days than ever before. No complaint there.

I can't speak to actually firing it and frankly would not even after I have fired it. My skills do not compare to most of you.

I compared the PDP Compact to the PPQ and the Q5 Match, once I got home. That Compact grip is such a perfect fit to my particular hand size and shape. I honestly thought that the PPQ grip was perfection for me until I made the comparison. Now I plan to sell the PPQ. I didn't even notice the PPQ finger grooves could be irritating until the PDP showed up without them.

A couple of improvements which maybe haven't been mentioned. If they have, ignore me. 1) The extractor on the PPQ is a short and rather Glock-like one, which has the red paint and protrusion from the slide to indicate when there is a round in the chamber. The long extractors of the other 2 models give no clue of a round being in the chamber. 2) The PDP has a more robust ejector and it seems to be a replaceable part. Since the manual has no exploded parts diagram, I can't really tell if it is held in place by the frame roll-pin, but it looks like it might be. The other 2 have ejectors which seem molded in place and have less metal so are potentially weaker. Was it this forum which had a discussion about breaking molded-in ejectors and thus having non-guns?

As all others have said, the trigger on the PDP is even better than on the older models. If they come out with a Q5 Match version of the PDP I will strongly be tempted and I don't even compete with mine. It just aims and shoots so nice I keep it around.

Bart Noir

[GJM]

Not sure if I mentioned in this thread, but on a lark I bought a Walther Q4 steel frame a few days ago, and shot it at our local match today. I can use the same X300 TREX holster that works with the PDP, and I use the same 18 round Canik and Walther MecGar mags plus Taylor Freelance 140 extensions that I use in the PDP. I had a really solid match and enjoyed the Q4 a lot. It is funny that the review I watched on it by the Military Arms channel basically said it is a heavy piece of junk that had little appeal. I find it an easy gun to shoot well and the weight makes it an alpha shooting machine. Here is my match video from today.


https://youtu.be/nYa-KVuRBCw

[Doc_Glock]

From Walther on optic plate issue:


https://waltherarms.com/2021/03/15/walther-pdp-optic-plate-stress-test/

I have always liked Walther and that post makes me like them even more.

[Archer1440]

It is funny that the review I watched on it by the Military Arms channel basically said it is a heavy piece of junk that had little appeal. I find it an easy gun to shoot well and the weight makes it an alpha shooting machine.

Does anyone actually take that person seriously?

[GJM]

Does anyone actually take that person seriously?

Leaving aside his torture test silliness, I think a lot of what he has to say sounds fairly insightful by the standard of what you see on a YouTube gun review. I think the flaw with his “analysis,” is that he does it by feel rather than shooting drills and comparing performance. It is pretty easy to get tricked when you just aim it at a target and go blam blam blam.

[Archer1440]

It is pretty easy to get tricked when you just aim it at a target and go blam blam blam.

Particularly when said target is rarely shown to the viewer...

There are a few Youtuber types I enjoy, such as Hickok45 and Paul Harrell, and your match action snippets posted here are often quite illuminating, but for the most part, it’s a disturbing wasteland out there. (Grumpy off topic mode /off).

[sasquatch98]

Does anyone know what the agency price on these is? The street prices I’ve seen (~$800) aren’t going to lend themselves very well to municipal contracts and budgets. Glock has a steep mark up for their consumer market, is Walther following a similar pricing format?


The individual mil / le price at GT Distributors in Austin was $520 for all models, I picked up a compact to keep my full size 4.5 company.

[sasquatch98]

Is it easy to bump the slide stop like vp9/p226 on her?

I know I know. Change your grip and it won’t happen... but still.

I like the looks of her and it seems to have most everything available that usually sucks on a new pistol.


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I have the same problem with any thing other than Beretta 92’s, CZ-75s, and 1911 and I have no issue with it on the PDP. I was surprised with the long slide release.

[sasquatch98]

I do not have one yet but was quoted $599 plus tax.

That’s the price at my local Academy.

[PNWTO]

Played with a buddy’s PDP Compact yesterday and I really liked it. Ergo-wise it seems like the best of the VP-9, M&P, and of course the PPQ. My hands are traumatically formed to the G19 but I felt like I didn’t need to make any immediate changes.

Shooting was also impressive, namely two 10-rd strings at 25yds to a B-8. The first run, and also my first shots with the PDP-C, was an ego-kicking 71 in 24 seconds but the second string was 89 in 17.5. I’m sure if I repeated it I could start to meet my G19 baseline.

No optic was mounted but it felt like I like didn’t have to drive the presentation as much as a G-series.

Overall I think if I saw one for a good price I’d pick it up.

[Hot Cereal]

Does anyone actually take that person seriously? I think that dude is really biased to his own tastes. To each his own. I rarely find any value from his videos. The video he put out about the Glock 19 being obsolete was such clickbait garbage.

As for the PDP this gun looks promising, but it won't end up in many American duty holsters. In America every police administrator with basic academy experience is a firearms expert and 'Glock is the way.' The Sig P320 snatched up a bunch of contracts because well, normally the people picking guns don't actually know what they're doing and the Army picked the Sig so it has to be good. I doubt we see any major contracts for Walther. Which is a shame because they have some really, really good guns.

I think Walther suffered the same fate as HK. The 15+1 capacities of their pistols kept a lot of agencies from adopting them. That's a pretty stupid reason, but it definitely played into it. HK's move to 17 round magazines in their VP9/P30 line up is proof of that. If Walther had a 17+1 version of the PPQ it would have peaked some interest with American LE. If the P2000 was a 15+1 instead of a 13+1 it could have taken some steam out of the Glock 19 craze. There just weren't many competitors to that 'genre' of pistol and well, here we are.

I also think the Optics Ready stuff is a bit over played. Sure, for me and you and this guy or that girl putting dots on guns might be the thing, but on an agency level it won't happen, at least not for a while. I don't see most agencies going with a Chinese made Holosun product. Maybe Sig because it says Sig on it, but it'll be Aimpoint and Trijicon that most places want to go with. That takes the gun cost and doubles it. When you're buying 1000 guns at north of $1300 each (Gun, dot, light) thats a fair piece. I don't see it happening at large agencies for a while, especially right now with 'F the Police Budget' and Covid Budgets.

Walther has made a smart move paying Larry Vickers to promote the PDP.

[Archer1440]

I also think the Optics Ready stuff is a bit over played. Sure, for me and you and this guy or that girl putting dots on guns might be the thing, but on an agency level it won't happen, at least not for a while. I don't see most agencies going with a Chinese made Holosun product. Maybe Sig because it says Sig on it, but it'll be Aimpoint and Trijicon that most places want to go with. That takes the gun cost and doubles it. When you're buying 1000 guns at north of $1300 each (Gun, dot, light) thats a fair piece. I don't see it happening at large agencies for a while, especially right now with 'F the Police Budget' and Covid Budgets.

Walther has made a smart move paying Larry Vickers to promote the PDP.

All fair points. I think going forward, most newly introduced pistols will be optics ready simply for marketing purposes- it’s inevitable.

[Hot Cereal]

All fair points. I think going forward, most newly introduced pistols will be optics ready simply for marketing purposes- it’s inevitable.

Perhaps but I can foresee some agency brass that doesn't want to authorise dots be reluctant to issue pistols that are factory capable. It opens the door for policy questioning, increased training necessity, equipment cost, and liability. I have zero doubt that a failure to train lawsuit would be brought involving an RDS equipped pistol and a cop who missed what s/he was shooting at and hit something s/he wasn't shooting at. I have a feeling Walther will get the "does it come without the optics plate" question.

[DpdG]

Perhaps but I can foresee some agency brass that doesn't want to authorise dots be reluctant to issue pistols that are factory capable. It opens the door for policy questioning, increased training necessity, equipment cost, and liability. I have zero doubt that a failure to train lawsuit would be brought involving an RDS equipped pistol and a cop who missed what s/he was shooting at and hit something s/he wasn't shooting at. I have a feeling Walther will get the "does it come without the optics plate" question.

This is likely beyond the scope of the specific Walther pistol being discussed here, but you hit on a couple things that likely should be discussed. I'm not sure I understand how an optics capable pistol, even if not equipped with an optic, could increase liability, nor what policy questions would be raised. Do you mean officers would question why they are not given an optic to go with the pistol?

While there are issues with optics (primarily cost and the strengths/weaknesses of the specific optic chosen), if I were in the position of choosing a replacement pistol for my agency right now, it would be optics capable even if I could not immediately implement the optics. It is much more cost effective to buy pistols with the capability to grow into optics at the armorer level at a later date than to deal with the logistics of pulling in service department guns out of cops' holsters to be direct milled.

Equipping any pistol with an optic certainly does cost money, plus there is training necessary for transitioning officers to the optic, but ultimately optics allow increased threat assessment capability vs. irons and likely increase hit probability for most shooters. This increased capability, particularly in terms of threat assessment, should lessen the likelihood of a reasonable mistake of fact shooting (i.e. mistook cellphone in suspect's hand for a gun). As far as misses go, there will almost always be a lawsuit brought if that miss causes collateral damage/injury, regardless of sighting system.

I'm sure some administrator likely will ask specifically for a non-rds capable version of a pistol that natively has rds capability, but in my opinion that request is ill advised and not worthwhile for the manufacturer.

[Default.mp3]

Looks like the PDP has the same issue as the PPQ where if the slide is pushed out of battery and you pull the trigger, you end up with a dead trigger even when the slide goes back into battery, so you have to rack the slide to be able to fire again.

Source: https://primaryandsecondary.com/forum/index.php?threads/caution-using-the-pdp-as-a-duty-weapon.8531/#post-48743

[dontshakepandas]

Looks like the PDP has the same issue as the PPQ where if the slide is pushed out of battery and you pull the trigger, you end up with a dead trigger even when the slide goes back into battery, so you have to rack the slide to be able to fire again.

Source: https://primaryandsecondary.com/forum/index.php?threads/caution-using-the-pdp-as-a-duty-weapon.8531/#post-48743

I'm probably outside my lane here... but I read that conversation and agree with both of them.

I would agree that it is an "outlier" situation, and that if you are aware of the "issue" you can train around it so that if it does occur you can get your gun back into the fight. I can also completely understand how one would prefer to use a gun that does not have this potential issue since there are other solid options available that would fire in that scenario.

Edit: There is also definitely a conflict of interest there with Walther being a sponsor.

[Trukinjp13]

I'm probably outside my lane here... but I read that conversation and agree with both of them.

I would agree that it is an "outlier" situation, and that if you are aware of the "issue" you can train around it so that if it does occur you can get your gun back into the fight. I can also completely understand how one would prefer to use a gun that does not have this potential issue since there are other solid options available that would fire in that scenario.

Edit: There is also definitely a conflict of interest there with Walther being a sponsor.

The 509 does the same thing. I watched my buddy freak out when he thought his gun was dead after tearing it down and cleaning it. I told him to tap, rack bang her and it will be good. He was pretty passed after that. Being a Glock dude forever


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[JAD]

Second Pfizer in the arm. Suck it, covid.

(ETA, sorry, wrong thread. Is there a vaccine for Tapatalk?)

[Wendell]

Second Pfizer in the arm. Suck it, covid. (ETA, sorry, wrong thread. Is there a vaccine for Tapatalk?)

How Did We Get to This Point? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBJPUC7mAf8)

[GJM]

Looks like the PDP has the same issue as the PPQ where if the slide is pushed out of battery and you pull the trigger, you end up with a dead trigger even when the slide goes back into battery, so you have to rack the slide to be able to fire again.

Source: https://primaryandsecondary.com/forum/index.php?threads/caution-using-the-pdp-as-a-duty-weapon.8531/#post-48743

YVK says Walther anticipated the USPSA rule change, and just run a light and call it good.

[DpdG]

Well I ran into my first issue with my full size/4”. On two successive league nights I had weird feed issues on burner stages- one complete failure to feed (in battery, empty chamber) and two double feeds. At first I wasn’t sure what to make of it, then I noticed all issues were using Canik mags, not the Walther ones. In dry fire I noticed the meat of my support palm easily dislodged the Canik mags, but not the Walthers.

I got to checking the mags and noticed the mag release was not fully engaged, as seen with the backside not flush:69411

Next I inspected both Walther and Canik mags and noticed the mag release cutout in the tube was not identical. Walther: 69412
Canik:69413

Next I measured and ground the cutout to match the Walther mags and voila: 69414

EDIT- Have not live fire tested my “fix” yet, will report back. In the meanwhile I’d suggest sticking to Walther mags for defensive purposes.

[GJM]

I have not noticed an issue with my 18 round Canik mags using extensions, but will go study this more.

[DpdG]

I had no issues in slower fire or field courses- only burners where I was splitting fast with more than 2 rounds. I have pretty meaty hands so there might be some combo of hand size, grip placement, gun movement during string, etc. that was causing the issue. In any case it might be something to keep an eye on, but it also might not effect someone with different hands and/or grip style.

[GJM]

I just went and messed with Walther and Canik 18 round magazines, with and without extensions, in a PDP and Q4 steel frame. The magazine release button pops out further with the Walther magazines, which suggests to me, they are more secure.

I have not noticed a problem yet, but will make sure Walther magazines get carried, and will try to source more Walther 18 round tubes.

[flyrodr]

The non-trivial trivia one learns on P-F.com is quite amazing!

[backtrail540]

p/CNKsvbAM4yi

That was fast. 5" model

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[PNWTO]

For those of you with an ExpertVoice account and the right verification, Walther’s on there with their pro pricing.

[RevolverRob]

p/CNKsvbAM4yi

That was fast. 5" model

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I thought it was an April Fool's joke at first.

DAMN THAT THING IS UGLY.

[Corse]

I thought it was an April Fool's joke at first.

DAMN THAT THING IS UGLY.

Long slides are beautiful.

[RevolverRob]

Long slides are beautiful.

Yes they are:

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But a 5" gun isn't a long slide. Just a normal length when you're talking about real guns...as opposed to real ugly ones. ;)

[Corse]

Yes they are:

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But a 5" gun isn't a long slide. Just a normal length when you're talking about real guns...as opposed to real ugly ones. ;)

I would say that in the poly pistol world 5” qualifies.

[Eyesquared]

Looks like they took that Instagram post down?

I think it would look better if they just used the frame from the fullsize and didn't extend the rail all the way to the muzzle.

[GJM]

Looks like they took that Instagram post down?

I think it would look better if they just used the frame from the fullsize and didn't extend the rail all the way to the muzzle.

I think it would look even mo better if it was the exact full size PDP but in a steel frame version!

[backtrail540]

Looks like they took that Instagram post down?

I think it would look better if they just used the frame from the fullsize and didn't extend the rail all the way to the muzzle.

Still there, my link just doesn't work.

[DpdG]

Update to mag reliability- the modified Canik mags have been unremarkable so far but too little round count to conclusively say if my “fix” worked.

Unfortunately I’ve identified an issue that presents with the Walther mags- if loaded 18+1, the first round fired will reliably fail to eject causing a horizontal stovepipe (spent case in line with bore jammed between barrel hood and top of breechface). Also noticed that fully loaded mag under closed slide/empty chamber results in very high effort required to chamber a round. I suspect there’s too much tension/not enough free play in the mag stack, causing excess friction on the underside of the slide, slowing down slide velocity enough to cause weak/failed ejection.

EDIT- will call Walther Monday or Tuesday to try to resolve the issue.

[olstyn]

I suspect there’s too much tension/not enough free play in the mag stack, causing excess friction on the underside of the slide, slowing down slide velocity enough to cause weak/failed ejection.

My experience with P99/PPQ M1 mags leads me to think your theory is at least plausible. The anti-tilt legs on the followers are long enough that they contact the baseplate when the mags are fully loaded, and make the 15th round a VERY tight fit, which makes seating a full mag under a closed slide a less than sure thing unless you really smack it home. Running P99c followers not only solves this, but allows for loading a 16th round. If you're able to prove out your theory, you might be able to resolve it by sanding a millimeter or two off of the anti-tilt legs on the mag followers, especially since you're obviously not averse to making modifications.

[DpdG]

I’ll check to see if the Canik mags have the same issue and if so, modify them. For the moment I’d like to be able to (if necessary) present Walther an unmodified package to conduct failure analysis.

[GJM]

Update to mag reliability- the modified Canik mags have been unremarkable so far but too little round count to conclusively say if my “fix” worked.

Unfortunately I’ve identified an issue that presents with the Walther mags- if loaded 18+1, the first round fired will reliably fail to eject causing a horizontal stovepipe (spent case in line with bore jammed between barrel hood and top of breechface). Also noticed that fully loaded mag under closed slide/empty chamber results in very high effort required to chamber a round. I suspect there’s too much tension/not enough free play in the mag stack, causing excess friction on the underside of the slide, slowing down slide velocity enough to cause weak/failed ejection.

EDIT- will call Walther Monday or Tuesday to try to resolve the issue.

I have been downloading my 18 round magazines because they feel tight, unlike the 15 round mags in the Compact and PPQ, which feel fine loaded to capacity. Walther probably should have called the full size mags “17” not 18 rounds.

[Kirk]

I have been downloading my 18 round magazines because they feel tight, unlike the 15 round mags in the Compact and PPQ, which feel fine loaded to capacity. Walther probably should have called the full size mags “17” not 18 rounds.

Yep, totally agree.

My FS guns were having problems when loaded with 18 rounds, but running them at 17 rounds I've had no issues at all. Haven't had any issues with my Canik mags.

[SouthNarc]

Looks like the PDP has the same issue as the PPQ where if the slide is pushed out of battery and you pull the trigger, you end up with a dead trigger even when the slide goes back into battery, so you have to rack the slide to be able to fire again.

Source: https://primaryandsecondary.com/forum/index.php?threads/caution-using-the-pdp-as-a-duty-weapon.8531/#post-48743


Walther has reached out to me directly via Scott Jedlinski and I'm supposed to get the first sim kit that comes off line to actually test this issue as comprehensively as I can.

[revchuck38]

Walther has reached out to me directly via Scott Jedlinski and I'm supposed to get the first sim kit that comes off line to actually test this issue as comprehensively as I can.

I can't imagine Glock, SIG, or S&W even considering doing this. Kudos to Walther!

[Lex Luthier]

Walther has reached out to me directly via Scott Jedlinski and I'm supposed to get the first sim kit that comes off line to actually test this issue as comprehensively as I can.

Something tells me that Walther management is very focused on making this pistol line a success.
I am looking forward to hearing what you find, SouthNarc.

[Hot Cereal]

I’m sure this has been discussed, but I didn’t read the entire 30 something by pages of this. Are the 4in PDP guns compatible with Safariland ALS/SLS holsters for the PPQ? Unless there’s duty holsters available this gun won’t go anywhere. That’s the problem with Beretta’s excellent APX line up. Exactly one duty grade holster available-6360, only for the full size.

[GJM]

I’m sure this has been discussed, but I didn’t read the entire 30 something by pages of this. Are the 4in PDP guns compatible with Safariland ALS/SLS holsters for the PPQ? Unless there’s duty holsters available this gun won’t go anywhere. That’s the problem with Beretta’s excellent APX line up. Exactly one duty grade holster available-6360, only for the full size.

The slide profile of the PDP is much blockier than a PPQ, so unlikely.

[GJM]

A cool thing about the PDP is we get to discover cool new things. The flip side, is we get to learn things that often only surface with the guns getting out in large numbers.

Something that I perceive, and am mentioning here to get other data points relates to the trigger. I have three full size PDP pistols, and all the triggers started out excellent. It seems like my most shot PDP has developed creep where I don’t remember it when new. My best PDP trigger is relatively unshot, and my middle pistol with a middle round count, has a trigger between the other two. Unless I am unlucky, or just flat wrong, my triggers seem to be getting worse with increasing round counts, rather than better as I would expect?

[Texaspoff]

I’m sure this has been discussed, but I didn’t read the entire 30 something by pages of this. Are the 4in PDP guns compatible with Safariland ALS/SLS holsters for the PPQ? Unless there’s duty holsters available this gun won’t go anywhere. That’s the problem with Beretta’s excellent APX line up. Exactly one duty grade holster available-6360, only for the full size.


Nope, and they don't fit the P320 holsters either. Safariland will have to make a new holster specifically for the PDP.



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[MistWolf]

A cool thing about the PDP is we get to discover cool new things. The flip side, is we get to learn things that often only surface with the guns getting out in large numbers.

Something that I perceive, and am mentioning here to get other data points relates to the trigger. I have three full size PDP pistols, and all the triggers started out excellent. It seems like my most shot PDP has developed creep where I don’t remember it when new. My best PDP trigger is relatively unshot, and my middle pistol with a middle round count, has a trigger between the other two. Unless I am unlucky, or just flat wrong, my triggers seem to be getting worse with increasing round counts, rather than better as I would expect?

It may be about springs. Trigger creep is more noticeable when springs start going soft. Because of the design, action shooting tension can affect striker shooting tension & vice versa.

[GJM]

It may be about springs. Trigger creep is more noticeable when springs start going soft. Because of the design, action shooting tension can affect striker shooting tension & vice versa.

Can you elaborate — which springs and at what intervals?

[MistWolf]

This is just a theory so bear with me while I try to work it out in my head and explain it-

-When tuning a trigger (not a specific trigger, just triggers in general), if the spring tension holding sear to sear is strong, the break feels crisper than it would if the spring tension is weak. With higher spring tension, the sear surfaces have increased stiction. When there is stiction, the surfaces stick to each other. They don't glide as easily. So, when they move, the stiction breaks suddenly. When the trigger is pressed, this sudden movement gives a crisp feeling. The shooter doesn't feel as much of the actual creep.

With weaker springs, there's less stiction. The sear surfaces glide over each other and it's much easier to feel the pre-ignition travel. It feels like there's more creep although the actual distance traveled is the same.

The PPQ cocks the striker as the slide goes into battery. Pressure from he action spring has to overcome the striker spring pressure. When the slide is retracted, the striker spring relaxes and the pistol is decocked.

What this means is the action spring is holding the slide in battery while tension from the striker spring is trying push it open.

As the action spring loses tension from use, it has less pressure holding the striker spring in place. You can feel this happening over time as the slide gets easier and easier to rack. Before I replaced the action spring, it took very little effort to move the slide back a fraction of an inch. It felt like the striker spring tension almost countered the action spring.

At the same time, the trigger pull got lighter and lighter and it was easier to detect the creep. It finally dawned on me what was happening when my wife bought a new PPQ. The trigger on the new pistol felt heavier and crisper and the slide took more effort to rack. I ordered one of those fancy action springs from Sprinco. Not the reduced power spring for competition, but the full power (red) spring. Effort needed to rack the slide was increased, trigger pull increased to normal and felt somewhat crisper.

My theory is, with less action spring tension holding the slide in battery, the striker spring has less tension against the striker release sear. Less tension means less stiction. Less stiction means the parts glide easier and it's easier to feel the creep.

As I said, this is a theory base on my experience with my PPQ. If I'm right, your action spring is losing tension.


As I began typing out my thoughts, it occurred to me that I overlooked another aspect. As you shoot your pistol, the sear surfaces smooth out which (surprise surprise!) reduces stiction. Again, reduced stiction means it's easier to detect the actual creep (pre-ignition travel).

[Bushytale]

The PPQ and PDP use the same trigger design. The creep can be adjusted out by placing a set screw in the front of the sear housing so it will press on the single action lever. The interface between the single action lever and the single action sear is where the trigger break happens. My 2 PPQs came with very crisp breaks with very little sear contact. On the other hand my 2 PDP compacts had some creep do to excess sear contact. The sear housing on the PDPs have a hole molded into them at the correct location for the set screw. I tapped the hole and threaded it for a set screw and adjusted out the excess contact similar to the PPQs. No more creep.
I tested the reliability of the sear contact by rapping on the slide with a plastic hammer as I do when tuning rifle triggers. All is good.

[Bushytale]

in my previous post replace the word contact 4 times with the word engagement!

[Archer1440]

The PPQ and PDP use the same trigger design. The creep can be adjusted out by placing a set screw in the front of the sear housing so it will press on the single action lever. The interface between the single action lever and the single action sear is where the trigger break happens. My 2 PPQs came with very crisp breaks with very little sear contact. On the other hand my 2 PDP compacts had some creep do to excess sear contact. The sear housing on the PDPs have a hole molded into them at the correct location for the set screw. I tapped the hole and threaded it for a set screw and adjusted out the excess contact similar to the PPQs. No more creep.
I tested the reliability of the sear contact by rapping on the slide with a plastic hammer as I do when tuning rifle triggers. All is good.

Pretty extensive information on this (with respect to the PPQ) was posted some time back in the Enos forum along with photos and an in depth analysis. It’s still there.

I figured that the same would apply to the PDP but didn’t figure it was my place to mention it here. Thanks for the real-world info.

[CSW]

I grabbed a first-gen P99 not long ago. I’ve only put about 50 rounds through it (so not “regularly”—but I haven’t been shooting much of anything “regularly,” these days). I really dig it so far. Seems to shoot right on POA for me.

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I wish they’d bring the P99 system forward to the new platforms. Though I guess you can still get it in the magnum research version (MR9?). There’s something... satisfying... about pushing a button to decock.

I owned a gen 1 p99 in 40, with a Bar-sto drop in 357sig bbl.
Solid gun.

I carried the P99as for about 3 years as my carry gun.
It was absolutely 100% reliable, accurate and I actually liked the fact that I could decock it, and feel safer aiwb.
Hope that the PDP lives up to the press ;
If I does, they've got a winner.

[WOLFIE]

I do not know if this was mentioned earlier. There are 5” barrel versions for sale on Gunbroker. And..... a compact 15 round magazine with a 5” barrel version. That’s right, a compact frame with a 5” barrel/slide. I was unsure about the advertisement so I looked at the pictures and sure enough it was on the box label that also has the serial number. Now I want one in every version. You know, to make sure I have the right gun for that day.

[Wynn615]

I do not know if this was mentioned earlier. There are 5” barrel versions for sale on Gunbroker. And..... a compact 15 round magazine with a 5” barrel version. That’s right, a compact frame with a 5” barrel/slide. I was unsure about the advertisement so I looked at the pictures and sure enough it was on the box label that also has the serial number. Now I want one in every version. You know, to make sure I have the right gun for that day.

I picked one of those up last week and it was delivered to my FFL on Monday. Balance feels good but have yet to been able to get to the range yet.

[Kyle Reese]

Got my PDP Compact, two holsters on the way and 16 spare 15 round mags on hand. Just mounted a Holosun 509T to it. Can’t wait to give this pistol a whirl.


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[WOLFIE]

Mr. Wynn and Mr. Kyle , please let us know your impressions after the range outing.

[Kyle Reese]

Mr. Wynn and Mr. Kyle , please let us know your impressions after the range outing.

10-4, good sir.


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[Wynn615]

Mr. Wynn and Mr. Kyle , please let us know your impressions after the range outing.

Will do. Debating just waiting for the RMR plate to arrive before hitting the range.

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[mrozowjj]

I just got a compact. I had a PPQ Q4 tac that I got because I wanted a PPQ with a 4" barrel with a red dot. It was fine but the red dot mount was super tall which wasn't ideal.

At first I wasn't super into the PDP but I can get a 4" Walther with a red dot using a better mount than their PPQ stye mount I figured why not. Plus with the market being what it is I can sell the Q4 for more than I paid for the PDP so why not.

Anyone have any idea what height sights I'd need to just barely clear the window on a Holosun with it?

[GJM]

I just got a compact. I had a PPQ Q4 tac that I got because I wanted a PPQ with a 4" barrel with a red dot. It was fine but the red dot mount was super tall which wasn't ideal.

At first I wasn't super into the PDP but I can get a 4" Walther with a red dot using a better mount than their PPQ stye mount I figured why not. Plus with the market being what it is I can sell the Q4 for more than I paid for the PDP so why not.

Anyone have any idea what height sights I'd need to just barely clear the window on a Holosun with it?

I am using the Ameriglo GL-511, which has a .315 front height, for a 508T, 509 and SRO on a PDP. You can get away with lower sights with an Acro.

[mrozowjj]

I am using the Ameriglo GL-511, which has a .315 front height, for a 508T, 509 and SRO on a PDP. You can get away with lower sights with an Acro.

Do you have any pictures from the rear of the gun? I'm wondering how tall that sits in the optic window.

Are you using factory plate or a CH Precison?

[GJM]

Do you have any pictures from the rear of the gun? I'm wondering how tall that sits in the optic window.

Are you using factory plate or a CH Precison?

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[GJM]

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[Doc_Glock]

I have a friend who wants a compact. I did a quick search but can’t find them available. He tried to order from Cabelas. They acted like they had one but at the end of the order process said “oops we are out”

Anyone know of a compact PDP available at MSRP at a reputable dealer?

[backtrail540]

I have a friend who wants a compact. I did a quick search but can’t find them available. He tried to order from Cabelas. They acted like they had one but at the end of the order process said “oops we are out”

Anyone know of a compact PDP available at MSRP at a reputable dealer?

A bit higher than gb but bud's has been easy to deal with for me.

https://www.budsgunshop.com/product_info.php/products_id/134426/walther+arms+2854686+pdp+compact+optic+ready+9mm+4 %22+10%2b1+black+black+steel+slide+black+polymer+w %2fperformance+duty+texture

[fly out]

Newly-shipping compacts don't have the Ulm proof mark in the familiar location. My G@@gle-fu might be weak, but I didn't immediately find an explanation. Any idea of why this might be?

ETA: (They do have the CIP over N marks.)

[Vandal320]

Newly-shipping compacts don't have the Ulm proof mark in the familiar location. My G@@gle-fu might be weak, but I didn't immediately find an explanation. Any idea of why this might be?

ETA: (They do have the CIP over N marks.)
Check under the dust cover.

[Lex Luthier]

For those looking, there are a couple of compact frame 4" bbl models at Bill's Gun Shop & Range in Hudson, WI.
$639 and they do ship.

[awmp]

Wanting to get a compact but going to wait a little while til the New prices come down a little. Still searching for a compact.

[fly out]

Check under the dust cover.

And, there it is. The CB code is there, too.

Thanks.

[GJM]

And, there it is. The CB code is there, too.

Thanks.

That is a relief -- for a moment I thought "no paddle release, no Ulm proof mark."

[olstyn]

Hm, it seems that Walther has now quietly discontinued the P99 AS either concurrent with or shortly after the release of the PDP. One less duty/carry grade DA/SA option out there now.

[Lex Luthier]

Hm, it seems that Walther has now quietly discontinued the P99 AS either concurrent with or shortly after the release of the PDP. One less duty/carry grade DA/SA option out there now.

I noticed that. Makes me sad.

[GJM]

Anyone shot a five inch PDP?

[WOLFIE]

Anyone shot a five inch PDP?

A most excellent question

[Bushytale]

The 2 compacts that I have were purchased at 2 LGS in south Florida for $649 each. Many of the other LGS were asking 100 up to 150 more.

[Chomps]

I have a friend who wants a compact. I did a quick search but can’t find them available. He tried to order from Cabelas. They acted like they had one but at the end of the order process said “oops we are out”

Anyone know of a compact PDP available at MSRP at a reputable dealer?

Same thing happened to me!!!

I was sooo pissed! I even applied for the Cabella's Cap1 MC to get the instant $20 dollars in club points, and an additional $10 off for signing up for their emails,... This would put the Pistol's total @ roughly $100 off the MSRP! Went thru the WHOLE application, signing up, making profiles & accounts, getting all the discount codes applied during checkout, etc,.. Then as I clicked Submit,....?? "Insufficient Inventory to ship qty #1!!!!!!" :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

About 3 weeks ago, The range master offered to let me shoot his 4" PDP compact with a 1MOA RDS & 5 round extended mag! (20 rounds total.). This was my first time even looking thru a red dot sight let alone shooting with one! (All The dot 'Jitter' was a little disorienting at first. But I got used to it. I understand now that with a slightly larger MOA dot is supposedly less 'Jumpy?")

Anyway, I LOVED shooting the PDP!!! To this Complete Novice,.. Recoil was manageable,.. The trigger felt just AWESOME compared to my G19 or Hellcat! Super crisp break, short reset and rests Right AT the wall to break for followup shots!! (...at least that was my admittedly limited experience impression!).

Now I know how you guys end up owning a bunch of guns! Ha Ha!! Needless to say, I REALLY want one of these Walthers!! lol

So, this was my 20 round/@5m group on my fourth mag. (I know most all of you guys can shoot WAAAY better at much further distances,.. But I'm pretty happy with this for a start!) :D

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R head target: PDP-20 Rounds @5m
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For comparison, This was what I consider my best 5m group that day with the iron sight Glock.
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[mrozowjj]

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Did you use a hammer punch and vise or did you use a sight pusher tool?

I just got some sights for mine.

I have a Glock sight pusher but for everything else I normally use vise and punch but this dovertail is tight... so I am thinking it's time to finally buy a universal pusher.

[GJM]

Did you use a hammer punch and vise or did you use a sight pusher tool?

I just got some sights for mine.

I have a Glock sight pusher but for everything else I normally use vise and punch but this dovertail is tight... so I am thinking it's time to finally buy a universal pusher.

I don’t see that there is a PDP shoe for the MGW Pro tool yet. I had to file a bunch off the rear Glock sight and then beat it on with a hammer and punch. Definitely a gross motor skill installation!

[mrozowjj]

I don’t see that there is a PDP shoe for the MGW Pro tool yet. I had to file a bunch off the rear Glock sight and then beat it on with a hammer and punch. Definitely a gross motor skill installation!


Noted.

[WDR]

I handled, but didn't shoot the PDP my brother bought. Impressions: Grip texture is very aggressive. Felt good in the hand. Mags seemed to drop free easy. Glock sights I guess; it had the same adjustable rear sight as a Glock 34, and what looked like a standard Glock front as well. Trigger was light and very crisp/clean... maybe too light IMHO. Slide is, chonkey, and the serrations are aggressive. He's going to stick a RM06 on it as soon as he gets a plate for it from Walther.

Anyone have the skinny on the factory adapter plates? Are they GTG/tight tolerance like a Forward Controls MOS plate? ... sorry if that has been answered up thread... I'm still reading!

[Archer1440]

I don’t see that there is a PDP shoe for the MGW Pro tool yet. I had to file a bunch off the rear Glock sight and then beat it on with a hammer and punch. Definitely a gross motor skill installation!

If it’s a matter of the shoe, wouldn’t a P99/PPQ shoe (#131) work? Given that PPQ slides are seemingly more or less interchangeable on PDP frames, I would think the P99/PPQ shoes should work. (Photo lifted from Walther forum).

[mrozowjj]

If it’s a matter of the shoe, wouldn’t a P99/PPQ shoe (#131) work? Given that PPQ slides are seemingly more or less interchangeable on PDP frames, I would think the P99/PPQ shoes should work. (Photo lifted from Walther forum).

That would make sense. I don't have a MGW though so I ended up doing some fitting on the rear sight and getting it on there.

Waiting on the optic plate to get in so I can throw the dot back on it.

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[olstyn]

If it’s a matter of the shoe, wouldn’t a P99/PPQ shoe (#131) work? Given that PPQ slides are seemingly more or less interchangeable on PDP frames, I would think the P99/PPQ shoes should work. (Photo lifted from Walther forum).

Given that P99/PPQ sights are not Glock pattern the way the PDP ones are, and their slide profile is much less chunky than the PDP, I'm not sure that's a safe assumption.

Wacky photo - it's downright weird to see a 1st generation P99 frame with a PDP slide on it, but given the design/parts commonality between the P99, PPQ, and PDP, I expect it probably functions, albeit with no decocker function, of course.

[Archer1440]

[QUOTE=olstyn;1214266]Given that P99/PPQ sights are not Glock pattern the way the PDP ones are, and their slide profile is much less chunky than the PDP, I'm not sure that's a safe assumption.

The shoe on the MGW Sight Pro is internal in the slide and has no relationship to the specifics of the externals of the slide or the sights- the rail dimensions are all that matter.

The Sight Pro can be set up for either angled or flat sights, and the “chunkiness” of the slide doesn’t matter either, as that is an independent adjustment.

Mine has paid for itself several times already, it is the best overall solution for this sort of thing, especially when running tritium sights (which don’t always get along with a hammer and punch).

Of course if you only have a couple of pistols, or never change out sights, it’s overkill.

[olstyn]

[QUOTE=olstyn;1214266]Given that P99/PPQ sights are not Glock pattern the way the PDP ones are, and their slide profile is much less chunky than the PDP, I'm not sure that's a safe assumption.

The shoe on the MGW Sight Pro is internal in the slide and has no relationship to the specifics of the externals of the slide or the sights- the rail dimensions are all that matter.

The Sight Pro can be set up for either angled or flat sights, and the “chunkiness” of the slide doesn’t matter either, as that is an independent adjustment.

Mine has paid for itself several times already, it is the best overall solution for this sort of thing, especially when running tritium sights (which don’t always get along with a hammer and punch).

Of course if you only have a couple of pistols, or never change out sights, it’s overkill.

Thanks for the clarification - that makes perfect sense then. As someone who only has a pair of P99s (one full size, one "c"), and who uses an aftermarket rear sight on both of them which retains the factory windage adjustment mechanism, I don't need a sight pusher at all (sights slide in and out of the P99's slide under finger pressure alone, and are retained by the adjustment mechanism), so I didn't know what I didn't know.

[ssb]

Does anybody have a source for 18rd mags? I can’t find Walther or Canik mags anywhere.

[JBP55]

Does anybody have a source for 18rd mags? I can’t find Walther or Canik mags anywhere.

I have 3 NIB Canik 18 round magazines. If you are interested send ma a PM.

[ssb]

Well I ran into my first issue with my full size/4”. On two successive league nights I had weird feed issues on burner stages- one complete failure to feed (in battery, empty chamber) and two double feeds. At first I wasn’t sure what to make of it, then I noticed all issues were using Canik mags, not the Walther ones. In dry fire I noticed the meat of my support palm easily dislodged the Canik mags, but not the Walthers.

I got to checking the mags and noticed the mag release was not fully engaged, as seen with the backside not flush:69411

Next I inspected both Walther and Canik mags and noticed the mag release cutout in the tube was not identical. Walther: 69412
Canik:69413

Next I measured and ground the cutout to match the Walther mags and voila: 69414

EDIT- Have not live fire tested my “fix” yet, will report back. In the meanwhile I’d suggest sticking to Walther mags for defensive purposes.

I e’mailed Taylor Freelance regarding extension compatibility. They state that while their Walther 140mms will fit on a Canik, the Canik mag catches are about 0.050” in the wrong place (they did not specify where). They do not recommend their use with extensions because this apparently presents the rounds low.

FWIW, and back to the waiting room for me. I’ve sourced 5 Canik mags and I hope they’ll be fine for range use, but for now I’ll only be putting extensions on my two OEM Walther mags for competition.

[Slowestshooterer]

Not sure if I mentioned in this thread, but on a lark I bought a Walther Q4 steel frame a few days ago, and shot it at our local match today. I can use the same X300 TREX holster that works with the PDP, and I use the same 18 round Canik and Walther MecGar mags plus Taylor Freelance 140 extensions that I use in the PDP. I had a really solid match and enjoyed the Q4 a lot. It is funny that the review I watched on it by the Military Arms channel basically said it is a heavy piece of junk that had little appeal. I find it an easy gun to shoot well and the weight makes it an alpha shooting machine. Here is my match video from today.


https://youtu.be/nYa-KVuRBCw

Which would you say is better for USPSA, PDP, or Q4SF?

[mrozowjj]

I just got my Walther factory optic plate in but it didn't come with screws and the screws that come with the Holosun are too long. Anyone know what the right screws are to mount a Holosun 407c/507c?

[revchuck38]

From Walther (https://waltherarms.com/ppq-m2-9mm-152-round/?utm_source=ActiveCampaign&utm_medium=email&utm_content=17Rd+%2815%2B2%29+PDP+Compact%2FPPQ+M2 +Mags+Back+in+Stock&utm_campaign=PDP+++PPQ+M2+15%2B2+Round+Mags+Back+i n+stock&vgo_ee=Sw50UguUBmOKMoSWnqDMar35hO7C%2FF3J%2FgQB9Uu 3XAY%3D), $46 each. I don't know if this is needed or a fair deal, just got the email because I'm on Walther's list.

[backtrail540]

https://www.rkguns.com/walther-pdp-full-size-9mm-pistol-2842475-18rd-4-5.html?trk_msg=Q2VRQR8UJB7KP3BIUPGMI3E50C&trk_contact=475N95M8BVBOPHELCK5BDVNL64&trk_sid=H2GHHCTV0C81LRA9PH6E0MCTK4&utm_source=listrak&utm_medium=email&utm_term=21268201&utm_campaign=May+2021&utm_content=2021-05-05+Taurus+856

Solid price if you live near a rural king.

[NH Shooter]

So at this point is anyone here on P-F actually shooting a Walther PPQ/Q4/Q5 regularly?

Yes. In my case, a 5-inch M1;

https://i.ibb.co/LQMxgnL/ppqtarget-3.jpg


https://i.ibb.co/X3wHpxp/PPQ-10.jpg


https://i.ibb.co/g9VD19K/1187-42.jpg


A few notes:


I'm a HUGE fan of the paddle mag release, especially on the PPQ - they are long, easy to reach and easy to use. I've never had an accidental mag release with them.
The sear-release-upon-impact issue was with the early PPQs. Walther increased the sear engagement and solved the issue. I pounded on mine with a heavy rubber mallet and was never able to get the sear to release.
The overall front-to-back wedge shape of the pistol makes re-holstering in a JMCK IWB #3 a breeze. In comparison, my EDC PPS M1 requires careful alignment to get back in the holster.
The only feature I wish the PPQ had is the striker extension out of the rear of the slide. It comes majorly in-handy when re-holstering the PPS.
I'm running 10-8 sights on mine, U-notch in the rear and a tritium front.

If the PDP was offered with paddles, I'd be mighty tempted. Good to see more P-Fers getting their hands on Walthers.

[olstyn]

The only feature I wish the PPQ had is the striker extension out of the rear of the slide. It comes majorly in-handy when re-holstering the PPS.

It wouldn't do much except display the state of the striker, which you know anyway presuming you've chambered a round, since the PPQ is a fully cocked striker design.


If the PDP was offered with paddles, I'd be mighty tempted. Good to see more P-Fers getting their hands on Walthers.

Same. My P99 AS would very likely get retired from competition duty in favor of a 4.5 or 5 inch PDP, although what I'd REALLY prefer for that would be a Q5 SF with paddles. (I'm *almost* glad that particular item doesn't exist, because then I'd have to explain to my wife why $1500 for a pistol is an appropriate purchase.)

[NH Shooter]

It wouldn't do much except display the state of the striker, which you know anyway presuming you've chambered a round, since the PPQ is a fully cocked striker design.

Good point.

My thumb always rides the back of the slide when re-holstering the PPS, the striker extension would be felt if the trigger was being pulled. I find this very reassuring.

With the PPQ, it drops back into the holster so easily that I hope I would detect something amiss based on feel or sound.

Of course with both pistols, re-holstering is something I pay very close attention to.

[ssb]

I got to shoot my PDP today for the first time. My X300 and DPP plate came in this weekend.

Initial impression is that the X300 will take some getting used to - it almost seems to make the gun dip. On the plus side the dot isn’t leaving the window. One of the Canik mags I used failed to feed twice, with both times resulting in an empty chamber. I’ll be modifying the mag catch cuts to see if this helps things - it’s possible the mag was not locked up completely, as discussed earlier in this thread. The other Canik mag I tried had no issues. As expected, no issues with the Walther mags.

I had a limited amount of ammo so after establishing zero I shot a single B8 freestyle, resulting in a 98 at 25yds. I then fired some doubles at 5-10 yards along with some bill drills to familiarize myself with how the gun ran at speed. I dropped two rounds out of the A Zone, result of a sloppy grip.

I ordered a Dawson front BUIS. For the rear, I’m using the Galloway Precision insert, leaving the OEM rear on to protect the dovetail.

The gun is certainly different than the P365XL I’ve been shooting lately. I’m favorably impressed, and I went ahead and ordered some 140mm extensions for competition use. My USPSA belt kit should arrive by the end of the week, which will allow me to dry fire more manipulations.

[DpdG]

How did it run with the Walther mags loaded to 18+1?

[ssb]

How did it run with the Walther mags loaded to 18+1?

I didn’t think to try that.

[DpdG]

I am still having pretty consistent failures to eject/horizontal stovepipes with Walther mags loaded 18+1. The upwards pressure on the underside of the slide is slowing slide velocity enough that the spent case is not ejected.

EDIT- next step (haven't done it yet) is to lightly sand/grind the posts on the mag followers.

[GJM]

I think the full grip size PDP pistols are being held back now by magazines. The Canik 18 round mags don’t work perfectly, and OEM Walther 18 round mags have been unobtainium.

[DpdG]

I think the full grip size PDP pistols are being held back now by magazines. The Canik 18 round mags don’t work perfectly, and OEM Walther 18 round mags have been unobtainium.

Agreed. I found another difference between Walther and Canik mags, and this time it’s not easily fixable. The Canik mag catch cutout is placed about 1.5mm lower on the tube, presenting the top round lower on the feed ramp.

Walther:7137571376
Canik: 7137771378

The worse part is the Walther mags won’t run right at 18+1 due to drag on underside of the slide (coil bind, not follower bottoming out), while the Canik more or less will, but is generally a little spotty due to feed presentation.

[DpdG]

Just got off the phone with Walther CS- the 18rd mag reliability problem I’m experiencing is a known issue with an engineered fix of new spring and follower, but no ETA on the new spring/follower and no wait list. I was told to call back on 5/25 to try to get on the list for the revised parts. Asked about additional mags and no ETA at all available. Apparently they’re having issues with supply from MecGar.

[GJM]

Just got off the phone with Walther CS- the 18rd mag reliability problem I’m experiencing is a known issue with an engineered fix of new spring and follower, but no ETA on the new spring/follower and no wait list. I was told to call back on 5/25 to try to get on the list for the revised parts. Asked about additional mags and no ETA at all available. Apparently they’re having issues with supply from MecGar.

Apparently MecGar put all their resources into making Shield Plus mags. :p

I can make do with just a spare or two with the Shield, but it is hard to shoot the PDP full size seriously without magazines.

[Archer1440]

Ah, the joy of being a beta tester. (Just kidding, Walther has nothing on SIG for this phenomenon.)

[revchuck38]

Ah, the joy of being a beta tester. (Just kidding, Walther has nothing on SIG for this phenomenon.)

At least Walther admitted there’s an issue and worked on a fix instead of denying there’s an issue.

[UsedJuniper]

A cool thing about the PDP is we get to discover cool new things. The flip side, is we get to learn things that often only surface with the guns getting out in large numbers.

Something that I perceive, and am mentioning here to get other data points relates to the trigger. I have three full size PDP pistols, and all the triggers started out excellent. It seems like my most shot PDP has developed creep where I don’t remember it when new. My best PDP trigger is relatively unshot, and my middle pistol with a middle round count, has a trigger between the other two. Unless I am unlucky, or just flat wrong, my triggers seem to be getting worse with increasing round counts, rather than better as I would expect?

Have you noticed this getting any worse? I noticed the same thing and have sent my 4" Compact back to Walther twice now. I had a chance to directly compare the trigger to a new PDP before I sent the handgun back for the second time and it was considerably different (worse). The trigger and striker safety was replaced this go around (after around 500 rounds) and I have a sneaking suspicion that this new trigger may degrade as well. Your mention is the first I've seen of someone potentially having the same issue as me.

[GJM]

Have you noticed this getting any worse? I noticed the same thing and have sent my 4" Compact back to Walther twice now. I had a chance to directly compare the trigger to a new PDP before I sent the handgun back for the second time and it was considerably different (worse). The trigger and striker safety was replaced this go around (after around 500 rounds) and I have a sneaking suspicion that this new trigger may degrade as well. Your mention is the first I've seen of someone potentially having the same issue as me.

Unless we are extremely unlucky, I think they have a problem.

[UsedJuniper]

Unless we are extremely unlucky, I think they have a problem.

Bluntly, the trigger I have now isn't the trigger I bought the gun for, despite having been sent back twice. Aside from the grip physics, the trigger was the biggest selling point for me. At both times, before I sent it back, the trigger was heavier, grittier and more "staged" than every OEM Glock trigger I own or have used.
Adding up the fact that there isn't an external safety or SCD-like device to introduce a larger margin of safety for AIWB carry and the potential issues with contact shots, I'm having a hard time rationalizing a daily use case for it.
The lack of availability of proper active retention holsters is another drawback that I'm running into.

I really,really want to like this gun. It's the handgun I've shot my best with, is consistently more comfortable than my other options, and is just a generally nice gun. But if this trigger issue isn't isolated to just us two and is a larger issue overall; I might weigh my options, suck it up, and go back to my Glocks.

[Hot Sauce]

Had anyone experienced a similar trigger issue with PPQs? I have not heard of it.

Maybe they've changed coatings?

[GJM]

Had anyone experienced a similar trigger issue with PPQs? I have not heard of it.

Maybe they've changed coatings?

I was just telling my wife and a buddy down at the LGS, that over nearly a dozen PPQ and Q5 pistols, I never noticed that. I have two Q4 SF pistols with lower round counts, but those two triggers have gotten better not worse.

[olstyn]

I was just telling my wife and a buddy down at the LGS, that over nearly a dozen PPQ and Q5 pistols, I never noticed that. I have two Q4 SF pistols with lower round counts, but those two triggers have gotten better not worse.

In a similar vein, my two Walthers, a P99c and a P99, both started out with good triggers and only smoothed out/got better with use. It does make you wonder what, if anything, changed, since the triggers in the three generations of Walther pistols are essentially the same mechanism. As far as I understand, the PPQ trigger is just the P99 trigger with the DA function removed so that it's SAO and a slightly heavier spring so that it's about 5 pounds vs the P99's SA being more like 4 pounds, and the PDP trigger is just the PPQ trigger, maybe with some minor changes. Does anybody else understand that progression differently?

[Hot Sauce]

In a similar vein, my two Walthers, a P99c and a P99, both started out with good triggers and only smoothed out/got better with use. It does make you wonder what, if anything, changed, since the triggers in the three generations of Walther pistols are essentially the same mechanism. As far as I understand, the PPQ trigger is just the P99 trigger with the DA function removed so that it's SAO and a slightly heavier spring so that it's about 5 pounds vs the P99's SA being more like 4 pounds, and the PDP trigger is just the PPQ trigger, maybe with some minor changes. Does anybody else understand that progression differently?

That is more or less my assumption, but having not looked inside a PDP myself to confirm.

I do remember hearing a similar thing being reported on Gen5 vs pre-Gen5 Glock, that the triggers were getting grittier after a thousand rounds. I believe that was also a different coating issue.

That's why my mind went there.

[GJM]

Walther did a very professional, Staccato style introduction of the PDP, including neat video and endorsements from a number of name trainers, that resulted in great initial reviews and a bunch of units sold. Now the product had to stand on its merits, and issues floating out there are the mounting system and plates, availability of 18 round OEM mags, the follower design on the 18 round mags, the slide out of battery dead trigger issue, and the deteriorating trigger. Hopefully all or most of these issues get ironed out soon, because it is a great shooting pistol, that in feel is reminiscent of what I thought when I first handled the Beretta TX-4 predecessor to the 1301.

[CDFIII]

Soooo... It is not the Glock killer everyone hoped it would be? I was kinda rooting for it.

[GearFondler]

Soooo... It is not the Glock killer everyone hoped it would be? I was kinda rooting for it.Glock's had almost 40 years to tweak their shit and they're still not finished.

[Archer1440]

Having just viewed a follow-up video on the PDP optics mounting system from the fellow who raised concerns a few weeks back, and having perused a few of the highly inflammatory comments, I find myself very thankful for the atmosphere, discourse and thoughtful people here on P-F.

I guess one needs to look at what passes for normal elsewhere to truly appreciate this factor.

[ScotchMan]

Got mine, first new polymer 9mm in a long long time, with the idea of displacing my G19s for carry.

My dilemma for the last ~6 years has been that I shoot the PPQ much more accurately than the Glock, but I shoot the Glock faster and more reliably than the PPQ. This is largely because the PPQ's grip shifts in my hand due to being so slippery. But the PPQ is just a laser beam in my hands. The difference is there shooting cold, in training, or having shot a lot (so indian/arrow comparisons aside, I get better and worse with both equally). My PPQ is also an M1, and I didn't want to invest in magazines for it because I (correctly) assumed it was a dead-end design since they are going all buttons now. Same for buying a second copy of the M1 as a backup. So the combination of all those has had me carrying and shooting G19s since 2014-ish.

The PDP Compact solves all my concerns. The grip is awesome and it uses the PPQ M2 15 round mags which makes me feel better about stocking up on them.

I do not like that there is no Gadget for it, 'tis true. However I am unwilling to be held hostage by the Glock's design anymore, it is the only striker fired gun that takes a Gadget (other than some outliers like the PPS (no double stack version), XDs and Rugers (gross), etc). If S&W, Beretta, H&K, CZ, even Sig (shudder) comes out with a G19-sized SFA that has Gadget functionality, all bets are off. But from where we are today, the PDP looked like a contender.

I got mine and took it to the range. I only put about 100 rounds through it, because I am unwilling to resupply my ammo supply at 60¢ a round for Tula, and I have no idea how long this is going to last. I have not shot live fire much in the last year, but my first 15 shot group at 5 yards were all touching, which is good for me (I do do a lot of dry fire training with a SIRT and LASR X, but still). Recoil was greater than the G19, which is expected, I believe due to the grip angle; I've never found a handgun that recoils as lightly as the Glock. But, I was able to fire at an accelerated pace without needing to adjust my grip as with the PPQ. Reloads with the button were better than expected, not a paddle, but not the Glock's button that I can't reach without shifting my grip. The magazines shoot out of there too. And loading a full magazine on a loaded chamber doesn't require excessive force like it does with the G19 (this is an aspect that is overlooked sometimes, I think).

The trigger is different than the PPQ, and I think better. Mostly the takeup is smoother, but I also feel like the wall is heavier while still very crisp. To me this is a nod towards the PPQ being "too light to carry." Although I haven't weighed mine and don't really care what the scale says, it feels like firing it requires a more deliberate action to fire, which I think is a good thing for a defensive handgun.

I came to P-F to see what the group thinks, expecting to see a lot of Walther bashing for the striker dropping on impact, and trigger too light, and not DA/SA/Gadget, and that's here (and totally reasonable), but I'm pleasantly surprised to see some people giving it a fair shot. I'm doing a lot of comparing with Glock here, because that's what I shoot, but it is a really nice handgun that does everything well. I am glad I read about the trigger degrading, and I will keep an eye on that; my Glocks are not going anywhere. But once JMC starts making holsters for it, and I get a few hundred more rounds through mine, I will probably start carrying it over the Glock.

Fantastic gun from my limited experience so far, and I recommend checking it out.

[P30]

Final assembly in Ulm:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJ2FX7mzow8

Every pistol is assembled by only one person. The person goes from station to station with the pistol and finishes a task at every station. Several persons do this in a line.

[Lex Luthier]

Thanks for posting that, P30. How are German shooters liking the PDP? Has it been well received there?
Are they also talking about the triggers seeming to degrade under heavy use schedules?

[MVS]

After absolutely falling in love with my Q5 SF, I am really wanting to get a PDP but between it's optic mounting system and now possible trigger issues, I think I will wait

[DpdG]

Update on 18rd mag function issues- I had been told revised spring/follower combo would be available around 5/25, but after repeated calls it’s clear they do not have them yet (sounds like supply chain from Germany issues). Also realized one mag would run fine (other than first round of 18+1), while the other had intermittent premature slide lock. Walther CS asked me to send the gun and mags in and provided paid shipping. We’ll see how this turns out.

Malfunctions aside, in my hands it is the most accurate gun I own and no noticeable trigger issues.

[GJM]

Update on 18rd mag function issues- I had been told revised spring/follower combo would be available around 5/25, but after repeated calls it’s clear they do not have them yet (sounds like supply chain from Germany issues). Also realized one mag would run fine (other than first round of 18+1), while the other had intermittent premature slide lock. Walther CS asked me to send the gun and mags in and provided paid shipping. We’ll see how this turns out.

Malfunctions aside, in my hands it is the most accurate gun I own and no noticeable trigger issues.

But for the but, it is an awesome pistol. Hope Walther USA gets this sorted out soon.

[P30]

Thanks for posting that, P30. How are German shooters liking the PDP? Has it been well received there?
Are they also talking about the triggers seeming to degrade under heavy use schedules?
I have not seen a PDP here yet. Due to corona, the shooting ranges were closed for more than half a year. But the PPQ is quite popular since years in the club where I shoot IPSC. It's also used there in shooting courses for security companies.

The most popular pistols here for sport shooters are:
1911 and SIG 210 // for precision shooting
CZ75 Shadow // for IPSC Production Division
2011 SVI Infinity // for IPSC Standard Division (but in a much smaller number than the CZ75 and 1911)

In the biggest German online weapons forum, the Laugo Arms Alien is the current hotness. Some guys bought one.

Yesterday I was shooting for the first time in more than half a year. It was much fun! So we got a significant piece of freedom back. :)
A shooter next to me was shooting with his new SIG P320, another one was shooting a CZ75. I shot my P30 and AR15. :) The range was quite empty because the German soccer team was playing at the Euro championship.

[Archer1440]

My local range had a couple of the full size PDP’s come in today and the counter guys offered to let me throw a few mags through the one they have set aside for rental.

I found this fresh-out-of-the-box pistol to be surprisingly flat shooting, with a truly excellent trigger, and really good groups at speed at 10 and 15. Finished up with a hammer to the ocular zone on a Gunsite option target at 7 yards and had both rounds touching right inside the bottom center of the box. I couldn’t have done better with a paper punch. It made me look good to the counter kids (LOL).

It’s everything GJM said it is. It’s really a laser beam.

With that said, I think this “duty” trigger is rather light and short for “duty” without some very good training, but that’s just an opinion.

[DpdG]

My local range had a couple of the full size PDP’s come in today and the counter guys offered to let me throw a few mags through the one they have set aside for rental.

I found this fresh-out-of-the-box pistol to be surprisingly flat shooting, with a truly excellent trigger, and really good groups at speed at 10 and 15. Finished up with a hammer to the ocular zone on a Gunsite option target at 7 yards and had both rounds touching right inside the bottom center of the box. I couldn’t have done better with a paper punch. It made me look good to the counter kids (LOL).

It’s everything GJM said it is. It’s really a laser beam.

With that said, I think this “duty” trigger is rather light and short for “duty” without some very good training, but that’s just an opinion.

Agree with all this, which is why I’m (so far) putting up with the aggravation of it not running 100%. Not sure I’d be keen on the trigger weight as general issue to the masses, but it makes me look good as a competition piece.

[GJM]

Seems like it should not be too difficult for them to offer a spring that increases trigger weight for duty/EDC. I am hoping for a steel frame version of this.

Follower design should be easy. Magazines will come in time. The trigger degrading should also be doable since I never noticed that in a PPQ. The optic mounting is above my pay grade. For Comp use, needs to accommodate a R3 Max.

[PNWTO]

Seems like it should not be too difficult for them to offer a spring that increases trigger weight for duty/EDC. I am hoping for a steel frame version of this.

Follower design should be easy. Magazines will come in time. The trigger degrading should also be doable since I never noticed that in a PPQ. The optic mounting is above my pay grade. For Comp use, needs to accommodate a R3 Max.

Probably merits a separate thread but, for the sake of brevity, I’d appreciate your take on CORE vs PDP. Ceteris paribus.

[1dude1dog1gun]

67650

I don’t think it looks any cheaper than the modern crop of duty ready striker guns.

Idk man, to each there own and that’s cool, but I think the pistol looks like a bad-A. But then again, it took me a year to figure out what I liked and disliked about pistols because not knowing a thing about them, how can you go out and buy one?

[GJM]

Probably merits a separate thread but, for the sake of brevity, I’d appreciate your take on CORE vs PDP. Ceteris paribus.

In terms of overall shoot ability, and out of the box, the PDP has much potential. However, the PDP is quite new, where the 2.0 M&P is very mature and fully supported by Apex and others.

[Chomps]

I know the PPQ-M2 15 rounders work in the 4-4.5 & 5" compacts., but they're rare as hens teeth right now. Does anyone know if this (https://themagshack.com/shop/pistol-magazines/9mm/walther-ppq-m2-sc-9mm-15-round-magazine-w-grip-extension/) magazine will work in the compacts? It Looks like it should,.. You'd just need to remove the sleeved grip extension on the mag.

[MistWolf]

Had anyone experienced a similar trigger issue with PPQs?

Yes. As explained in an earlier post in this thread, it was caused by a worn recoil spring. Replacing the worn recoil spring in my PPQ with a stiffer spring fixed the issue.

[Hot Sauce]

Yes. As explained in an earlier post in this thread, it was caused by a worn recoil spring. Replacing the worn recoil spring in my PPQ with a stiffer spring fixed the issue.
What was the approx. round count when you ended up doing that?

[MistWolf]

What was the approx. round count when you ended up doing that?

Two or three thousand, I think. Maybe more. Between the PPQ & P365, I've got a lot of empty 9mm brass

73008

[jakjakman]

What is the holster situation for the PDP? I just picked up the compact version and really like it. I did a cursory look through the past 10 pages of this thread and didn't see much about holsters. I would really love a Custom Carry Concepts looper, but I guess they're not making them anymore. The other option I've found is the PHLster pro series, and maybe turn that into the enigma when they're available. Any other good options?

[Chomps]

What is the holster situation for the PDP? I just picked up the compact version and really like it. I did a cursory look through the past 10 pages of this thread and didn't see much about holsters. I would really love a Custom Carry Concepts looper, but I guess they're not making them anymore. The other option I've found is the PHLster pro series, and maybe turn that into the enigma when they're available. Any other good options?

Walther Arms list of Holster opitions for PDP.

HOLSTERS: (https://waltherarms.com/2021/01/19/walther-pdp-holster-options/)

https://waltherarms.com/2021/01/19/walther-pdp-holster-options/

[P226SAOFan]

I saw tenicor has them now too

[backtrail540]

What is the holster situation for the PDP? I just picked up the compact version and really like it. I did a cursory look through the past 10 pages of this thread and didn't see much about holsters. I would really love a Custom Carry Concepts looper, but I guess they're not making them anymore. The other option I've found is the PHLster pro series, and maybe turn that into the enigma when they're available. Any other good options?

https://darkstargear.com/product/walther/

[GJM]

Veil Solutions on Instagram has video of a Chip Wiz plate on a PDP that comes loose.

[O4L]

There is a local ad for a PDP with extras for $500. I haven't really been looking at these but it seems like a deal.

Should I snag it up?

[Archer1440]

There is a local ad for a PDP with extras for $500. I haven't really been looking at these but it seems like a deal.

Should I snag it up?

My local prices for the full-size PDP range from 640-750 (looked at it today), so if the pistol is in good condition, yes that seems reasonable.

Personally I think it’s got a terrific trigger, but I’m sticking to my “wait a year” policy before considering it.

[call_me_ski]

Veil Solutions on Instagram has video of a Chip Wiz plate on a PDP that comes loose.

For what it is worth I had a CHPWS Glock MOS plate come loose over the course of about 800 rounds. I am beginning to believe that CHPWS’ success lies in not necessarily that they are the best choice but rather that in some applications they are the only choice.

[GJM]

For what it is worth I had a CHPWS Glock MOS plate come loose over the course of about 800 rounds. I am beginning to believe that CHPWS’ success lies in not necessarily that they are the best choice but rather that in some applications they are the only choice.

Did you use loctite or vibra on the screws?

[call_me_ski]

Did you use loctite or vibra on the screws?

Blue loctite

[backtrail540]

For those wanting to try a pdp compact and also dig boresight, they've got some in stock with their competition package in the finished customs section.


https://www.boresightsolutions.com/product/competition-series-walther-pdp-compact-optics-ready-9mm/

[Vandal320]

CDNN is selling PDP's for $599

https://www.cdnnsports.com/firearms/handguns/walther-pdp-compact-5inch-9mm.html

https://www.cdnnsports.com/firearms/handguns/walther-pdp-fullsize-4-5inch-9mm.html

[AJLooch]

Hey guys. Northwest Armory here in North Scottsdale has both the 5” Full Size Frame and the 4.5” Full frames in stock for $599. I ended up picking up a 5” to try as I have been trying to hold off but it was in the case and felt great.

[AJLooch]

Another note in regards to magazines. Mine from today has Blue followers in the 18 rounders, my shooting buddy has a 4.5” from Mid March which has Black followers in his and another friend has Red followers from April. I assume blue are the newest gen, but was curious as to those who have had issues have in theirs?

[DpdG]

Another note in regards to magazines. Mine from today has Blue followers in the 18 rounders, my shooting buddy has a 4.5” from Mid March which has Black followers in his and another friend has Red followers from April. I assume blue are the newest gen, but was curious as to those who have had issues have in theirs?

Had issues with 18rd/black followers. Gun currently at Walther, diagnosed as purely mag related, waiting for new springs/followers.

[Chomps]

Ran across these on IG,...

73498

73499

She's a Sexy Beast with the Can on her!!! :D LoL!!

[AJLooch]

I have been shooting my 5" PDP quite a bit (600 rounds to date) and really do like the pistol. Only complaints are the extremely loose slide to frame fit (Even though it doesn't appear to affect accuracy and the loose tolerance of their rail for a Surefire light (went withe the Rail-Lock interface and it helped a bunch). I have always like Walther designs but their execution has always fallen a bit short it seems.

[GJM]

I have been shooting my 5" PDP quite a bit (600 rounds to date) and really do like the pistol. Only complaints are the extremely loose slide to frame fit (Even though it doesn't appear to affect accuracy and the loose tolerance of their rail for a Surefire light (went withe the Rail-Lock interface and it helped a bunch). I have always like Walther designs but their execution has always fallen a bit short it seems.

Keep us posted on how your trigger feels with increased round counts. Mine have gotten worse, which is the opposite of what I would expect.

[AJLooch]

Will do shot another 150 today with no issues. I was about to go all in as far as primary, secondary, optics/plates for both etc, but on the fence now with several negatives outweighing the positives. Heck just trying to mpunt a light has been a ordeal, lol. Still hard to beat a Gen 5 Glock 17 for almost any full size roll.

[GJM]

Will do shot another 150 today with no issues. I was about to go all in as far as primary, secondary, optics/plates for both etc, but on the fence now with several negatives outweighing the positives. Heck just trying to mpunt a light has been a ordeal, lol. Still hard to beat a Gen 5 Glock 17 for almost any full size roll.

Love the ergos, laser accuracy (except with 124 +P Gold Dot) and stock trigger. Negatives are no spare mags, follower problems, questions on the optic mounting system and the degrading trigger. The oversized front serrations cause unnecessary drag on presentation. Walther is close but despite great promise, they have to fix some stuff for me to spend much more time on the PDP.

[newyork]

I’m late to reading up on them, what’s the issue with the optic situation? Trigger is due similar to what some experienced with Gen 5 glocks?

[Kyle Reese]

Where the hell are the spare 18 round mags?


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[ssb]

I was thankfully able to score some full sized mags. The 18rd magazines now come with blue followers. My assumption is that this is the fix for some of the magazine issues discussed unthread. My 2020-marked gun came with black followers, though those two magazines now have TF extensions on them. I have not personally experienced any reliability issues with them so far.

Also received was a 509T and a CHPWS plate. Each was installed according to the manufacturer’s specifications. I’ll see how it all works out this weekend.

[fly out]

Many months ago, I read that the magazine issues seemed to be limited to the 18-round versions and not the compact magazines...has that turned out to be the case?

[DpdG]

As an update to my previous 18rd magazine function problems, I finally received the pistol back from Walther. The techs diagnosed all issues (FTE w/ 18+1, intermittent premature slide lock) as being mag induced. My previous mags had black followers and it was returned with different mags with blue followers. I haven't gotten a chance to test them yet, but hopefully that resolves it.

[Will Fennell]

Many months ago, I read that the magazine issues seemed to be limited to the 18-round versions and not the compact magazines...has that turned out to be the case?

No problems with the compact mags that I have experienced, or read about. BTW, WC EDCX9 MAGS 15 rd mags work fine in the PDP
compact.

Best,

Will

[olstyn]

No problems with the compact mags that I have experienced, or read about. BTW, WC EDCX9 MAGS 15 rd mags work fine in the PDP
compact.

Given that the compact mags are supposed to be compatible with the PPQ M2, and I don't recall ever reading about problems with PPQ M2 mags, I expect that they are identical apart from (maybe) roll marks on the tubes and markings on the baseplates.

[ssb]

Using the new blue follower mags, I zero’d the 509T today. I fired 150 rounds and took care to load to 18+1 for the entire session. No issues were experienced.

For what it’s worth, the gun is now at 600 rounds with no cleaning or lubrication. I had one instance where the slide cycled but no round was chambered using a Canik mag that had come loose (mag catch was not fully engaged due to slight differences in the cutout). Not an impressive figure by any means, but the gun appears reliable thus far.

[AJLooch]

Up to 1650 rounds through my 5” Full frame PDP. Gun has been 100% reliable and I have yet to had any issues with the optics plate loosening or zero changes with the Holosun 507c with the ACSS reticle. Trigger has definitely changed. The pretravel has increased in weight especially over the last 500 rounds. The trigger now has much more of a defined harder wall. Break itself from the wall feels about the same though. Still impossible to find 18 rounders anywhere. While I like the gun but it still has more shortcomings than positives compared to a Glock Gen 5 17 especially if you install a Timney trigger (only for range/game use).

[Chomps]

As of 8/1/21 Grabagun has 15 round mags for the PDP/PPQ M2's in stock.
https://grabagun.com/walther-2796678-magazine-ppq-m2-9mm.html

The sub compact 15 rounders is the same mag only with a sleeve ext, it works perfectly without the sleeve. For some reason, it is also a couple bucks cheaper. (Go figure!)
https://grabagun.com/walther-magazine-ppqm2-9mm-15rd-w-ext.html


Still no 18 rounders tho, sorry. They do have the 17 round extended mags! :shrug:

[AJLooch]

This morning I received a email from Omaha Outdoors saying they had 18 rounders in stock at 6:48am my time, at 7:05 when I read the email and checked the website they were out of stock. Too much work trying to find things for a gun that really isn’t that exciting.

[ssb]

The PDP was a rare departure from not being an early adopter for me - and a good lesson in why that should be rare.

[Archer1440]

The PDP was a rare departure from not being an early adopter for me - and a good lesson in why that should be rare.

Hmm. Well, it gives me no pleasure to refer back to my post about that subject, back in February, but, as I said, that attitude has served me pretty well. Again.

With that said, it IS a nice pistol to plink with, and they’ve become pretty easy to find in the gun shops. Hopefully the consumables (mags) supply chain and other possible issues (GJM’s trigger feel thing) will be well worked out over the next year.

[ssb]

Anybody else have significant difficulty installing sights into the “Glock dovetail?” I’m yet again stuck with a 10-8 rear sight pushed about 3/4 of the way in. I’m having to apply significantly more force than I think is healthy for the job to knock the sight out of the dovetail for more fitting. And this time I filed the shit out of the rear, to the point where it went in about 1/2 by hand pressure.

[GJM]

Anybody else have significant difficulty installing sights into the “Glock dovetail?” I’m yet again stuck with a 10-8 rear sight pushed about 3/4 of the way in. I’m having to apply significantly more force than I think is healthy for the job to knock the sight out of the dovetail for more fitting. And this time I filed the shit out of the rear, to the point where it went in about 1/2 by hand pressure.

My Glock rear sights took significant filing to get into the rear dovetail.

[JBP55]

Anybody else have significant difficulty installing sights into the “Glock dovetail?” I’m yet again stuck with a 10-8 rear sight pushed about 3/4 of the way in. I’m having to apply significantly more force than I think is healthy for the job to knock the sight out of the dovetail for more fitting. And this time I filed the shit out of the rear, to the point where it went in about 1/2 by hand pressure.

It helps slightly to lubricate sights and dovetail before installation.

[MistWolf]

Okay fine.

I'll admit it.

For the first time ever an ACRO mounted on a pistol has my attention. Getting it this low on the gun makes a difference to me.

I want to see how the PDP does in terms of performance overall. And whether or not the striker can be dropped with a hard reload like the PPQ.

I whacked the back of the slide of my PDP with a heavy dead blow hammer and could not get the striker to drop.

[Bushytale]

My two PDPs and one PPQ have the Walther dynamic performance triggers. My other PPQ has the Overwatch Precision trigger. All four have reduced sear engagement. I set them all up at 4.5 lb. pull wgt. They all have the standard striker spring and the 4.4 lb. Overwatch trigger spring. I tested them all by repeatedly hitting the slide in the rear, front and top with a plastic mallet. They all remained fully cocked.

[OneZero]

My two PDPs and one PPQ have the Walther dynamic performance triggers. My other PPQ has the Overwatch Precision trigger. All four have reduced sear engagement. I set them all up at 4.5 lb. pull wgt. They all have the standard striker spring and the 4.4 lb. Overwatch trigger spring. I tested them all by repeatedly hitting the slide in the rear, front and top with a plastic mallet. They all remained fully cocked.

Been shopping for the dynamic and only one seller has been located on GB. He has approx 20 total and with taxe+fees they are going for $293.00

[Bushytale]

bought my three from Walther for $179 each with free shipping and no tax. Go to Walther firearms web sight. Click on the competition page. Scroll down to Walther store and hit the performance page. Choose any of the three models as they all show the Dynamic trigger. Keep checking till they come in stock. Good luck. They seem to come in fairly often.

[GmanVP9]

Up to 1650 rounds through my 5” Full frame PDP. Gun has been 100% reliable and I have yet to had any issues with the optics plate loosening or zero changes with the Holosun 507c with the ACSS reticle. Trigger has definitely changed. The pretravel has increased in weight especially over the last 500 rounds. The trigger now has much more of a defined harder wall. Break itself from the wall feels about the same though. Still impossible to find 18 rounders anywhere. While I like the gun but it still has more shortcomings than positives compared to a Glock Gen 5 17 especially if you install a Timney trigger (only for range/game use).

What short comings are you finding with the PDP?

[AJLooch]

Maybe I miss spoke when I said shortcomings. What I meant more than anything is the PDP does not offer and real improvement over other existing platforms to make the juice worth the squeeze. The magazine issue as far as availability on the 18 rounders is real. Everyone likes a different type of trigger but on two of the ones I have they are definitely different than what I started with. The pre travel starts to develop a bump or hard spot before the wall which wasn’t there when my 5” was new (the 4.5” was bought used but was there like the 5” when I got it.). I have not had any issues with the optic plates on both the factory RMR/Holosun or the CHPWS 509t plate which is good. The RMR with a 507c on it now has over 2000 round and nothing has shifted or moved. Not a bad gun by any means but kind of a pain to get set up and it doesn’t do anything better than a Gen 5 glock.

[MistWolf]

The PDP uses a more reliable magazine and doesn’t have that goofy Glock grip angle. PDP has the better grip texture.

The PDP may not do anything better than a Glock, but I’d bet a Glock doesn’t do anything better than a PDP.

[GmanVP9]

The PDP uses a more reliable magazine and doesn’t have that goofy Glock grip angle. PDP has the better grip texture.

The PDP may not do anything better than a Glock, but I’d bet a Glock doesn’t do anything better than a PDP.

You trying to piss off 90% of the forum? Lol

[Bushytale]

Question for those of you that are having trigger characteristics change as use increases. The PDP and PPQ Walthers have a very simple trigger and sear system that lends itself to a clean trigger break. Have you tried removing the trigger, trigger bar and sear block to do a deep cleaning and re-lube? Just a thought.

[JPedersen]

The PDP uses a more reliable magazine and doesn’t have that goofy Glock grip angle. PDP has the better grip texture.

The PDP may not do anything better than a Glock, but I’d bet a Glock doesn’t do anything better than a PDP.

Just wish a gadget / SCD was available … although they are not to accessible for Glocks right now either - as I understand it.


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[MistWolf]

Just wish a gadget / SCD was available … although they are not to accessible for Glocks right now either - as I understand it.


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A Gadget as currently designed would not work on a PDP or PPQ. The gadget is designed to mover rearward with the striker as the trigger finishes cocking it. The striker of the PDP and PPQ are already at full cock before the trigger is pressed.

[DpdG]

The PDP uses a more reliable magazine and doesn’t have that goofy Glock grip angle. PDP has the better grip texture.

The PDP may not do anything better than a Glock, but I’d bet a Glock doesn’t do anything better than a PDP.

This isn’t a comment on the quality/benefit of Glocks, but unfortunately (to my chagrin) the PDP in 18rd format does not use a more reliable magazine. Mine had to be replaced as the first batch of mags did not run reliably, plus additional mags beyond the 2 it shipped with are in extremely scarce supply and when found are nearly 2x the cost of Glock mags.

My trigger has begun exhibiting the pre-travel hump others discussed. Haven’t bothered to pull anything apart to try to get to the bottom of it.

[pastaslinger]

The PDP uses a more reliable magazine and doesn’t have that goofy Glock grip angle. PDP has the better grip texture.

The PDP may not do anything better than a Glock, but I’d bet a Glock doesn’t do anything better than a PDP.

I'm not sure anyone can claim better reliability than Glock mags... If Glock has continued to do anything right it's the magazines

[MistWolf]

This isn’t a comment on the quality/benefit of Glocks, but unfortunately (to my chagrin) the PDP in 18rd format does not use a more reliable magazine. Mine had to be replaced as the first batch of mags did not run reliably, plus additional mags beyond the 2 it shipped with are in extremely scarce supply and when found are nearly 2x the cost of Glock mags.

My trigger has begun exhibiting the pre-travel hump others discussed. Haven’t bothered to pull anything apart to try to get to the bottom of it.
From what I understand, the problem with the 18 round mags was the follower and it's been addressed in later mags.

I understand your frustration with the mag shortage. We went through the same thing when the PPQ was introduced.

I don't have many rounds through my PDP yet, but the "bump" I'm feeling in its trigger is the engagement of the striker block plunger. The PPQ has the same "bump" in its take up. It's never interfered with my shooting. I can't know how bad the "bump" is in your trigger, but I don't notice it in mine when shooting.

Personally, I prefer the PDP trigger over the Glock trigger.


I'm not sure anyone can claim better reliability than Glock mags... If Glock has continued to do anything right it's the magazines
Saying the PDP uses a more reliable mag doesn't mean the Glock mag is junk. It works great. But it's not the mag I would chose if I were designing a pistol. Its walls are thicker than they need to be, for one thing.

More pistols are designed around the Beretta M9 magazine because of its reliability and the PPQ mag is considered by some as best of the breed. (This is why Bill Wilson chose the PPQ mag for his EDC 9X.) The PDP mag is the PPQ mag. It's had some teething problems from expanding its capacity but they appear to be sorted out.

Objectively, I don't see any reason for someone to trade their Glock for a PDP or a PDP for a Glock. However, for subjective reasons, I like the PDP much better.

[GJM]

My PDP triggers, on multiple specimens, have started off great and deteriorated with use.

[MistWolf]

My PDP triggers, on multiple specimens, have started off great and deteriorated with use.

When I can afford to, I'll get more ammo to run through the PDP and see how it holds up. When the trigger started getting light in the PPQ, a new recoil spring fixed the problem.

[MVS]

Every time I get ready to buy a PDP because I like my Q5 so much and the great reviews they get elsewhere, I come back to this thread and put it on hold again.

[GJM]

When I can afford to, I'll get more ammo to run through the PDP and see how it holds up. When the trigger started getting light in the PPQ, a new recoil spring fixed the problem.

With my PDP pistols, similar to experiences reported by others, the triggers get rougher and heavier not lighter, with use. I never experienced that over many thousands of rounds through PPQ/Q5 pistols, and with the Q4 SF pistols I have.

[MistWolf]

With my PDP pistols, similar to experiences reported by others, the triggers get rougher and heavier not lighter, with use…

Oh? That is odd.

Is the trigger rough and heavy with the slide removed?

[ScotchMan]

Yeah I would really like some more info on these trigger issues. Is it worse, or just different? The question a few pages back about a detailed strip and clean, interested in that. It doesn't make sense to me that a trigger would get harder, unless something was getting dirty. And yeah does it happen with the slide off the frame?

Has anyone with this happening contacted Walther?

I'm not willing to spend the ammo to reproduce it on my gun at the moment, but if/when it happens to me I will try to be the guinea pig.

Update: I made a RFI over on waltherforums, we'll see if anyone there shoots. https://www.waltherforums.com/threads/seeking-high-round-count-pdp-users.127055/

[MistWolf]

With my PDP pistols, similar to experiences reported by others, the triggers get rougher and heavier not lighter, with use. I never experienced that over many thousands of rounds through PPQ/Q5 pistols, and with the Q4 SF pistols I have.

Is the striker block silver or black? It seems early PDPs had uncoated silver striker blocks. Later models are fitted with striker blocks with a black anti-friction coating.

[ScotchMan]

After a not-too-welcoming experience on Walther Forums, the consensus after a few responses seems to be that a coating is wearing off the striker block, and that one needs to lubricate the trigger bar as it rubs against that. GJM can you try that?

Can we also get the date codes on all of the affected guns (and unaffected, if any are found) so that we can build a pattern as to whether this was fixed with an improved coating?

[GJM]

My PDP pistols are 2,000 miles away, so it will be a while.

[ScotchMan]

My PDP pistols are 2,000 miles away, so it will be a while.

Any recollection on the date codes? Would be valuable for potential buyers in this thread to at least validate or discredit the idea that a change on current production models may have resolved this.

[ScotchMan]

Also there appear to be 18 round mags available in a couple places:

Link (https://www.bigtexordnance.com/product/walther-arms-pdp-full-size-9mm-18rd-magazine-2856891/)

Another link (https://www.rooftopdefense.com/product/walther-pdp-18-round-full-size-magazine/)

[DpdG]

I tried lubing both the striker block itself and the trigger bar protrusion that interfaces with the block- no change in the hump sensation during pre-travel. Early production- purchased first week of release, entire gun already went back to Walther once due to repeated malfs, diagnosed as bad mags/replaced with blue follower mags. 76566

EDIT- at this point it’s likely to get traded. It’s not a bad gun, but it’s accuracy and degraded to “decent but not great” trigger don’t outweigh the logistical issues it presents- holster and mag availability, plus it handles just differently enough that I’d need to burn a fair bit of reps and ammo to build confidence in both it and my handling/presentation/manipulations.

[ScotchMan]

I tried lubing both the striker block itself and the trigger bar protrusion that interfaces with the block- no change in the hump sensation during pre-travel. Early production- purchased first week of release, entire gun already went back to Walther once due to repeated malfs, diagnosed as bad mags/replaced with blue follower mags. 76566

EDIT- at this point it’s likely to get traded. It’s not a bad gun, but it’s accuracy and degraded to “decent but not great” trigger don’t outweigh the logistical issues it presents- holster and mag availability, plus it handles just differently enough that I’d need to burn a fair bit of reps and ammo to build confidence in both it and my handling/presentation/manipulations.

Agree with your reasoning 100%...a gun has to really shine to get selected over a Glock/S&W/Beretta, and if the trigger degrades, and other problems present, the juice is no longer worth the squeeze. That is why I am interested in getting to the bottom of this in some way other than putting 3,000 rounds (replaced at 50¢ a piece) through my own.

[Archer1440]

That is why I am interested in getting to the bottom of this in some way other than putting 3,000 rounds (replaced at 50¢ a piece) through my own.

Today, I bought a case of 124 +P HST for pre-Covid pricing, equivalent to what I paid for same in 2017. I’m finding quality brass cased Norma 9mm for $0.21/round. If you’re really paying $0.50/round, you (with all due respect) need to shop better.

[ScotchMan]

Today, I bought a case of 124 +P HST for pre-Covid pricing, equivalent to what I paid for same in 2017. I’m finding quality brass cased Norma 9mm for $0.21/round. If you’re really paying $0.50/round, you (with all due respect) need to shop better.

Where are you finding 21¢? I am not looking that hard (or much at all), I'm more just waiting for things to get better. But if I had a line on 21¢ 9mm I'd probably pick up a case or two.

[MVS]

Where are you finding 21¢? I am not looking that hard (or much at all), I'm more just waiting for things to get better. But if I had a line on 21¢ 9mm I'd probably pick up a case or two.

I look everyday and seldom see anything for less than $.38-.40/rd. There is a fair amount of in stock ammo, but price seems to have stabilized at $400/1000 for now.

[CakeEater]

Today, I bought a case of 124 +P HST for pre-Covid pricing, equivalent to what I paid for same in 2017. I’m finding quality brass cased Norma 9mm for $0.21/round. If you’re really paying $0.50/round, you (with all due respect) need to shop better.

Enquiring minds want to know! Please do share…unless it’s frowned upon.

[fly out]

Norma 9mm at .21 would be a distant outlier right now. I've seen it several places in the last week, and bought some, and it was nearly twice that, at the best pricing I saw. More than twice, at some places.

No offense to the poster, and if he got it for .21, more power to him, but I think it's a math error. $21 for a box of 50? You bet. $10.50? That retailer wouldn't have survived 2020, with COVID/BLM/Biden.

[Archer1440]

Norma 9mm at .21 would be a distant outlier right now. I've seen it several places in the last week, and bought some, and it was nearly twice that, at the best pricing I saw. More than twice, at some places.

No offense to the poster, and if he got it for .21, more power to him, but I think it's a math error. $21 for a box of 50? You bet. $10.50? That retailer wouldn't have survived 2020, with COVID/BLM/Biden.

It was a special deal, received via email, and to be fair I probably should not have mentioned it because it was certainly an outlier. My point was really that the days of 0.50/round are behind us at the moment- if you do a bit of work to find it.

[DpdG]

Finally got around to shooting my 4" full-size after getting it back from Walther with new mags with blue followers, putting about 50 rds through it testing and 100rds during a 3 gun match. Pro: No more issues with failures to eject on the first round of 18+1. Con: still getting intermittent premature slide lock, occurs at least once, usually twice per magazine. These malfunctions occurred with both the new factory mags and the modified Canik mags. At this point I'm not sure if its shooter induced with my grip causing upwards pressure on the slide lock, or if it's a mechanical issue. Either way, I think I'm done.

Side note- I cleaned it after the match and while the normal areas were about as expected for 150rds of Sig and Aguilla, the striker and striker channel were disgusting, with weird brown schmutz accumulated. This schmutz was stickier/harder to clean than the usual carbon fouling and I'm really not sure what it is or where it came from. I'm very careful about not getting any lube in the striker channel and this gun has less than 1k rounds through it in its lifetime.

[Winegamd]

https://www.waltherforums.com/threads/seeking-high-round-count-pdp-users.127055/post-1277677

This is what I experienced with mine. After many hours of dry fire, before the first live round ever went through the gun, I noticed the trigger pull changed after lubrication. I used Lucas gun oil, and after application, the pull got much grittier. I suspect there was some leftover manufacturing particles that got washed into the safety plunger channel by the thinner oil. I eventually broke down all components of the slide, cleaned everything, polished the striker safety plunger and trigger bar, lightened the safety plunger spring, then reassembled and lubed. I have not had any issues since and the pull is vastly improved.

The "hump" talked about is definitely the safety plunger as there is no other tactile response in the press until the wall if you remove it.

I hope someone brings to market some NP3 coated plungers like Overwatch has for the Glock.

[GJM]

https://www.waltherforums.com/threads/seeking-high-round-count-pdp-users.127055/post-1277677

This is what I experienced with mine. After many hours of dry fire, before the first live round ever went through the gun, I noticed the trigger pull changed after lubrication. I used Lucas gun oil, and after application, the pull got much grittier. I suspect there was some leftover manufacturing particles that got washed into the safety plunger channel by the thinner oil. I eventually broke down all components of the slide, cleaned everything, polished the striker safety plunger and trigger bar, lightened the safety plunger spring, then reassembled and lubed. I have not had any issues since and the pull is vastly improved.

The "hump" talked about is definitely the safety plunger as there is no other tactile response in the press until the wall if you remove it.

I hope someone brings to market some NP3 coated plungers like Overwatch has for the Glock.

For a derivative of the PPQ, with a great trigger being it’s strongest attribute, you would think Walther would have figured this out. Makes me wonder about all the professional testers that supposedly put so many rounds through the test pistols.

[Winegamd]

For a derivative of the PPQ, with a great trigger being it’s strongest attribute, you would think Walther would have figured this out. Makes me wonder about all the professional testers that supposedly put so many rounds through the test pistols.

I did some searching on the Walther forum and found that there have been many owners that experienced this with their PPQ's. All of them either sorted out over time or they owner modified the spring somehow. Sprinco does make a lighter weight spring, but it seems to have more to do with the length than weight. Many report that the coil seems to bend during compression causing stacking that is felt as grit.

Since the hump of the plunger is offset to one side, I bet there is some sort of side loading causing the spring to not stack vertically.

There is probably also some coil bind occurring due to the length, so when you remove coils or go to a lighter spring the symptoms disappear. Easy fix with a conical spring or flat wire spring as many stated on the Walther forum.

Once the plunger is taken out of the trigger pull, however, the trigger is pretty darn close to my PX4 SA feel. Definitely better than my CZ-P10C or any Glock trigger I have felt.

[revchuck38]

Enough to upgrade two mags. Here (https://waltherarms.com/2021/06/07/walther-pdp-18-round-magazine-upgrade/). Just got the email from Walther about this.

[Hot Sauce]

I did some searching on the Walther forum and found that there have been many owners that experienced this with their PPQ's. All of them either sorted out over time or they owner modified the spring somehow. Sprinco does make a lighter weight spring, but it seems to have more to do with the length than weight. Many report that the coil seems to bend during compression causing stacking that is felt as grit.

Since the hump of the plunger is offset to one side, I bet there is some sort of side loading causing the spring to not stack vertically.

There is probably also some coil bind occurring due to the length, so when you remove coils or go to a lighter spring the symptoms disappear. Easy fix with a conical spring or flat wire spring as many stated on the Walther forum.

Once the plunger is taken out of the trigger pull, however, the trigger is pretty darn close to my PX4 SA feel. Definitely better than my CZ-P10C or any Glock trigger I have felt.

You're talking about a conical or flat wire plunger spring? Who makes those?

[Winegamd]

You're talking about a conical or flat wire plunger spring? Who makes those?

As of right now, no one. Sprinco is the only aftermarket manufacturer that makes a Walther plunger spring that I have found. It is silicon, so better than factory, but it is a traditional round wire spring.
https://sprinco-com.3dcartstores.com/Walther-Canik-TP-Series-Competition-Firing-Pin-Safety-Plunger-Spring_p_748.html

Galloway also makes a plunger spring for the Canik guns that should work, but again only a traditional round wire spring.
https://gallowayprecision.com/canik/tp9/reduced-power-spring-kit-for-canik-tp9sf-elite-pistols

Both are a reduced weight, however, and a smaller diameter than the factory spring so either should remove most issues caused by the factory spring.

[Hot Sauce]

As of right now, no one. Sprinco is the only aftermarket manufacturer that makes a Walther plunger spring that I have found. It is silicon, so better than factory, but it is a traditional round wire spring.
https://sprinco-com.3dcartstores.com/Walther-Canik-TP-Series-Competition-Firing-Pin-Safety-Plunger-Spring_p_748.html

Galloway also makes a plunger spring for the Canik guns that should work, but again only a traditional round wire spring.
https://gallowayprecision.com/canik/tp9/reduced-power-spring-kit-for-canik-tp9sf-elite-pistols

Both are a reduced weight, however, and a smaller diameter than the factory spring so either should remove most issues caused by the factory spring.

Sounds like they will reduce factory pull weight though. :(

Have you tried any of the above?

[Winegamd]

Sounds like they will reduce factory pull weight though. :(

Have you tried any of the above?

The Plunger spring change is negligible. I collapsed some coils on mine, so it is probably even lighter than the Sprinco/Galleway units. I didn't really notice any difference in the pull weight. There is just no resistance or hump in the take-up now.

In my opinion, the safety plunger is way over-sprung from the factory. The amount of force it would to take to move the couple of gram plunger far enough to release the striker would require a much larger force than anything i can conceivably inflict "accidentally" with my lightened spring.

The trigger return spring will drop you down to a scant 3-3.5lbs. Unless you're looking for jail bait splits in a competition only application, that, to me, just seems entirely too light. Coming from a DA/SA Beretta 92, the Walther already feels dangerously light with the factory 4.5-5lb pull.

The plunger spring change, though, is an absolute must perform change IMO. It completely changes the already excellent pull.

I also recommend using some Slick 2000 or Wilson gun grease (or other high quality gun grease) in the spring cup and plunger channel. It has a better tactile feel and will help keep fine dust out of the channel a little better to prevent any "grittiness".

[Hot Sauce]

The Plunger spring change is negligible. I collapsed some coils on mine, so it is probably even lighter than the Sprinco/Galleway units. I didn't really notice any difference in the pull weight. There is just no resistance or hump in the take-up now.

In my opinion, the safety plunger is way over-sprung from the factory. The amount of force it would to take to move the couple of gram plunger far enough to release the striker would require a much larger force than anything i can conceivably inflict "accidentally" with my lightened spring.

The trigger return spring will drop you down to a scant 3-3.5lbs. Unless you're looking for jail bait splits in a competition only application, that, to me, just seems entirely too light. Coming from a DA/SA Beretta 92, the Walther already feels dangerously light with the factory 4.5-5lb pull.

The plunger spring change, though, is an absolute must perform change IMO. It completely changes the already excellent pull.

I also recommend using some Slick 2000 or Wilson gun grease (or other high quality gun grease) in the spring cup and plunger channel. It has a better tactile feel and will help keep fine dust out of the channel a little better to prevent any "grittiness".

Thanks. Interesting stuff to experiment with in the plunger spring. My PPQ pulls at a "light feeling" but actual weight of 5.5lbs, which is why I asked about that because I want it to stay that way. Trigger return spring will stay as is regardless.

I haven't yet experienced any degradation, but I've also not been able to run many real rounds through it over the past year, though a good bit of dry fire.

[MistWolf]

Sounds like they will reduce factory pull weight though. :(

Have you tried any of the above?

A lighter striker block spring will reduce the weight of the first stage but will not affect the second stage (the sear break).

My concern with a lighter striker block spring is safety. Will a lighter spring let the striker block bounce if the pistol is dropped?

[Winegamd]

A lighter striker block spring will reduce the weight of the first stage but will not affect the second stage (the sear break).

My concern with a lighter striker block spring is safety. Will a lighter spring let the striker block bounce if the pistol is dropped?

The amount of force it would require to collapse the spring far enough to release the striker would require you to slam the gun down on a table as hard as you possibly could directly on it's spine. Even then, I doubt you could get it to release.

The striker block is only a couple of grams. The speed needed to generate even 0.1 lb of force is more than a 20ft drop. To over come the tension of a 0.25lb spring and move it even 1mm would require purposeful intent trying to get the striker to release.

Plus, you would have to accelerate it fast enough to move it the couple of mm before the striker impacts it.

This is just a non issue.

[sasquatch98]

Enough to upgrade two mags. Here (https://waltherarms.com/2021/06/07/walther-pdp-18-round-magazine-upgrade/). Just got the email from Walther about this.

They also are sending a free 18 round mag with the two mag rebuild / upgrade kits.

[ssb]

They also are sending a free 18 round mag with the two mag rebuild / upgrade kits.

I’ve already ordered, but where did you see this? Don’t see it on the upgrade kit page.

[sasquatch98]

I’ve already ordered, but where did you see this? Don’t see it on the upgrade kit page.

It was on the page where you added it to the cart.

[Vandal320]

Got a free magazine with my upgrade kit today.

[Brianjkeene]

Just checking in to see if anyone has been putting anymore rounds through their PDPs. I picked up a 5” FS and a 4” compact to compare to my M2.0s.

[JTPHD]

Just checking in to see if anyone has been putting anymore rounds through their PDPs. I picked up a 5” FS and a 4” compact to compare to my M2.0s.

My live fire has stagnated, but I saw recently that Ben Stoeger has acquired a couple. Should be some interesting data points from a competitive perspective:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CWJuAS_LMmU/

[spyderco monkey]

Just checking in to see if anyone has been putting anymore rounds through their PDPs. I picked up a 5” FS and a 4” compact to compare to my M2.0s.

I'm extremely curious about the 5" full size myself, being a sucker for longslides and especially longslides with full length dustcovers.

https://f8x7p3b6.ssl.hwcdn.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/PDP-5__FS_LS.png

I'm especially curious how the 5" stacks up to the G34/G17 recoil wise.

I had sold my 4" PPQ Compact a few years ago. Loved the ergos, trigger, and accuracy, but the recoil was weirdly snappy. 115gr subsonic plinking ammo felt like .40 s&w.

I'm hoping the 5" full size PDP will have solved this.