Y'all, is there a DA/SA pistol with a grip angle like a Glock?

[Welder]

I've got no dog in this fight. A friend asked me, and I told him that frankly I didn't know, but I knew who to ask. I know that my 80 and 90 series Berettas, as well as the PX4's with whatever backstrap adapter you put on them, are nowhere close. I have no experience with other DA/SA guns.

[Clusterfrack]

I've got no dog in this fight. A friend asked me, and I told him that frankly I didn't know, but I knew who to ask. I know that my 80 and 90 series Berettas, as well as the PX4's with whatever backstrap adapter you put on them, are nowhere close. I have no experience with other DA/SA guns.

I find the grip angle of the CZ P-07 to be similar enough to a Glock that I can shoot both interchangeably.

[jd950]

How grips feel is highly subjective, and I am not challenging Clusterfrack's comfort with the P-07, but my understanding is that it has an 18 degree angle like almost every other gun. The only guns I know of with grip angles like the Glock are the Ruger .22, the Colt Woodsman .22 and the Luger 9mm. I once heard that part of the motivation for the grip angle on the .22's was to promote feeding reliability of the rimmed cartridge. I would guess the grip angle on the Glock was probably due to some familiarity or fondness for the Luger by whoever actually designed the gun.

Perhaps the right combination of side pieces and backstraps on guns like the HK could approximate the Glock angle?

[TGS]

Perhaps the right combination of side pieces and backstraps on guns like the HK could approximate the Glock angle?

Nope.


I've got no dog in this fight. A friend asked me, and I told him that frankly I didn't know, but I knew who to ask. I know that my 80 and 90 series Berettas, as well as the PX4's with whatever backstrap adapter you put on them, are nowhere close. I have no experience with other DA/SA guns.

AMT Automag is the only one I can think of......and at that, I'm not even sure if they're DA/SA or SAO. Even if you open it up to SFA, the only other service pistols in production with a similar angle is the Steyr M-series and Caracal.

[M2CattleCo]

I would recommend to look at the front sight and slap the trigger.

Then he doesn’t have to worry about dumb shit like grip angle and reset.

Because that’s probably gonna be the next question.

[loper77]

Grand Power pistols have a grip angle similar to the Glocks. But I think part of the feel of the Glock, like the Steyr, is how much higher your hand sits on the backstrap compared to most pistols

[Clusterfrack]

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[MattyD380]

Walther P99.

Definitely more of a swept angle vs. my other DA/SA guns.

67243

Honestly, it felt a little... off, at first. But it definitely didn’t affect my ability to shoot it. Put up some very tight groups the first time I shot it. And that was even before the skateboard tape (which it needs, in my opinion).

Looking forward to less ammo insanity so I put more rounds though it.

[Rex G]

I've got no dog in this fight. A friend asked me, and I told him that frankly I didn't know, but I knew who to ask. I know that my 80 and 90 series Berettas, as well as the PX4's with whatever backstrap adapter you put on them, are nowhere close. I have no experience with other DA/SA guns.

There is more to it than just the measurable geometric grip angle. In my hands, a Glock G17, a 1911 with a straight mainspring housing, a SIG P229, an S&W 3913, a SIG P220 “European,” and a Walther PPK/s, plus numerous other weapons, “point” the same, regardless of their differing mathematical grip angles, while a SIG P220 “American,” and its cut-down-sized couisin the P245, point notably low; probably low enough to gut-shoot, while aiming at the X-ring, from five to seven yards. (In this context, “European” and “American” refer to the differing P220 magazine release systems. There is nothing uniquely “American” about a push-button magazine release system, as both systems have been produced on both side of the Atlantic.)

Yet, with at least one aftermarket grip, that does not cover the backstrap, to effectively change the “grip angle,” a P220 “American” pointed naturally, for me. Go figure. There is more to it than just the measurable geometric grip angle.

[Welder]

I just realized that the Laugo Alien comes close to a Glock angle as well. But being a game gun (no safety, SA only) and all but unobtanium, that's not what he's looking for either.

[Jim Watson]

Pardini GT9 and the extinct Benelli B76.
Those may have too much rake, into Luger territory but worth a look if they are in your budget or search range.

[medmo]

Sorry, not trying to be a smack-ass, but I have to ask. Why?

[camsdaddy]

Sorry, not trying to be a smack-ass, but I have to ask. Why?
I would think that the person may have experience shooting Glocks and would like to try a different platform. They may want to transfer to DA/SA feeling more comfortable with it for carrying and handling.

[HeavyDuty]

I would think that the person may have experience shooting Glocks and would like to try a different platform. They may want to transfer to DA/SA feeling more comfortable with it for carrying and handling.

My first thought is a Glock with a SCD. I know the SCD was a game changer for me, even after a gazillion years as a Glock user.

[BobLoblaw]

I would think that the person may have experience shooting Glocks and would like to try a different platform. They may want to transfer to DA/SA feeling more comfortable with it for carrying and handling.

That's what I suspect as well. Thumbing the hammer while holstering and knowing the springs are basically at rest with the hammer down are really nice features. A condition 3 carrier may find the transition easier (mentally) to condition 1 with a TDA. Gadget is great but hammer is even better for holstering feedback.

[corneileous]

My first thought is a Glock with a SCD. I know the SCD was a game changer for me, even after a gazillion years as a Glock user.

I’m surprised that striker control device isn’t made for a bunch more brands of pistols instead of just Glocks. If it wasn’t for that extreme grip angle, I could actually see myself owning a Glock just because of that little invention.


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[GearFondler]

I’m surprised that striker control device isn’t made for a bunch more brands of pistols instead of just Glocks. If it wasn’t for that extreme grip angle, I could actually see myself owning a Glock just because of that little invention.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkIt's not that easy. The Glock's dead simple design allows for a dead simple solution, the SCD. Add in striker indicators, fully tensioned strikers, and other such complications and designing a simple and functional SCD becomes a real issue. Then factor in Glock's popularity... the potential sales of all the other SCD's combined would probably be less than just the Glock models sold now.
If it won't make a profit it can't be made.

[corneileous]

It's not that easy. The Glock's dead simple design allows for a dead simple solution, the SCD. Add in striker indicators, fully tensioned strikers, and other such complications and designing a simple and functional SCD becomes a real issue. Then factor in Glock's popularity... the potential sales of all the other SCD's combined would probably be less than just the Glock models sold now.
If it won't make a profit it can't be made.

Hmm. Well, at least they can be made for probably the most popular pistol in America.


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[medmo]

I would think that the person may have experience shooting Glocks and would like to try a different platform. They may want to transfer to DA/SA feeling more comfortable with it for carrying and handling.

Respectfully, it sounds like someone is totally okay with change as long as everything stays the same. Switching from their comfort zone SFA to a TDA, which will require practice and training to achieve proficiency, will be the significant change which will out shadow everything else. Even if there was a pistol dimensionally the same as a Glock with a TDA their will be a significant learning curve. That would be a cool pistol. Are you listening Gaston? A G19 sized pistol that is TDA is a Beretta Px4 Compact Carry. I have it, carry it and am very proficient with it. I also have a G5 G19 also and shoot it very well. I'm not boasting, saying I'm awesome or a freak of nature or anything like that and would guess over all I'm pretty average. My point is that with some range time, dry firing, muscle memory it's possible to switch, and even switch back and forth between platforms successfully. Embrace change. Get out of the comfort zone and have some fun.

[HeavyDuty]

Respectfully, it sounds like someone is totally okay with change as long as everything stays the same. Switching from their comfort zone SFA to a TDA, which will require practice and training to achieve proficiency, will be the significant change which will out shadow everything else. Even if there was a pistol dimensionally the same as a Glock with a TDA their will be a significant learning curve. That would be a cool pistol. Are you listening Gaston? A G19 sized pistol that is TDA is a Beretta Px4 Compact Carry. I have it, carry it and am very proficient with it. I also have a G5 G19 also and shoot it very well. I'm not boasting, saying I'm awesome or a freak of nature or anything like that and would guess over all I'm pretty average. My point is that with some range time, dry firing, muscle memory it's possible to switch, and even switch back and forth between platforms successfully. Embrace change. Get out of the comfort zone and have some fun.

Back in ‘95 or so when I picked up bass again after a 15 year hiatus, I was extremely sensitive to nut width and scale length. Vary either, and I was a dumpster fire. But something funny happened after I was back playing for a few years and woodshedding hard - I lost that sensitivity. J, P, Stingray, Sterling, four string, five string, 30”, 32” 34”, 35” scale - it didn’t much matter after a few minutes playing. And I’ve kept that ability to suck on almost any bass.

Shooting handguns is similar for me. After this many years, I shoot most any handgun as shitty as the next. I don’t even notice grip angle anymore.

I think holding out for a TDA with the same grip angle as a Glock is a waste of time. More trigger time (dry or hot) will quickly resolve any issues.

[RevolverRob]

As Clusterfrack said the P07 is the closest I can think of.

None of the HKs are close.

[beenalongtime]

I've got no dog in this fight. A friend asked me, and I told him that frankly I didn't know, but I knew who to ask. I know that my 80 and 90 series Berettas, as well as the PX4's with whatever backstrap adapter you put on them, are nowhere close. I have no experience with other DA/SA guns.

Wondering about the style of 92's, that you answered on?
I haven't shot a Glock, since I was first taught to fire a gun, with a new Glock 20, decades ago, so I don't really remember the grip angle well. But I am wondering if the 90's series that you talked with him about, are both the standard and Vertec frames?

[Welder]

First, thanks for the technical answers. It was just a technical question, not a question of what a person should or shouldn't do or how they should or shouldn't adapt to whatever. My buddy was just curious, and I flat didn't know the answer since nothing I own qualifies. No need to read any more into it than what was there.


Wondering about the style of 92's, that you answered on?
I haven't shot a Glock, since I was first taught to fire a gun, with a new Glock 20, decades ago, so I don't really remember the grip angle well. But I am wondering if the 90's series that you talked with him about, are both the standard and Vertec frames?

Yeah, I've got both styles. Neither is anything like a Glock, which on the three times a year I handle one, always points towards the sky for me. 1911's, PX4's, and 92's all come to my eye with the sights aligned. But I don't have much-to-any experience with semis beyond those three listed.

[Joe in PNG]

Back in ‘95 or so when I picked up bass again after a 15 year hiatus, I was extremely sensitive to nut width and scale length. Vary either, and I was a dumpster fire. But something funny happened after I was back playing for a few years and woodshedding hard - I lost that sensitivity. J, P, Stingray, Sterling, four string, five string, 30”, 32” 34”, 35” scale - it didn’t much matter after a few minutes playing. And I’ve kept that ability to suck on almost any bass.

Shooting handguns is similar for me. After this many years, I shoot most any handgun as shitty as the next. I don’t even notice grip angle anymore.

I think holding out for a TDA with the same grip angle as a Glock is a waste of time. More trigger time (dry or hot) will quickly resolve any issues.

Likewise, though I find I need to spend a few days getting up to speed with my 35" 6 string, because it's easy for me to get lost when I move up the neck.

Back on topic- I'd say that the easy button here is a CZ P07.

[medmo]

First, thanks for the technical answers. It was just a technical question, not a question of what a person should or shouldn't do or how they should or shouldn't adapt to whatever.

Sorry, didn’t realize it was all technical.

Technical answer to the best of my knowledge:

No.

[willie]

45 years ago I read an article criticizing the 1911's 17 degree grip angle. That number is from memory. The author opined that this angle restricted the shooter's pointing. He did not surmise that JMB selected the angle for function reasons.Once I owned a couple Benelli 76 pistols. Their grip angle was extreme to the extent that loading the mag was difficult. The frame of this unusual pistol was made in two left and right parts which were then welded together.

Grip comfort is subjective. Sometimes I think that people read about this topic which then becomes stuck in their head. By the time I was 15 I had a callous on my hand from shooting handguns. After the callous formed, the "rub" did not bother me.

[Alan0354]

Revolvers!!!

I am joking AND I am not joking. You look at the grip, Revolver's grip are quite angled, not straight down like you expected in 1911. I never even notice until the other day I took out my S&W 36 snuby and look at it, I said holy, that butt is slanted!!! Well, you can do DA and SA!!!;):D

I don't know why people making a big fuzz complaining about Glock have an angled grip, that's how revolvers are. If anything, people should complain about 1911 that it's so straight!!! My Ruger Mark II 22LR target pistol is very popular target gun, the grip is just if not more slanted than Glock, you never hear people complain about that all these years. I can go in competition with that Ruger.