Shadow Systems DR920

[Tokarev]

There is an existing thread(s) on Shadow's G19-ish pistol. Mods, please move if you don't think the G17-ish pistol warrants a separate thread.

As many of us know, Shadow Systems is now making a full-size duty gun to accompany the mid-size gun they've been making for a couple years. The full-size gun has been rumored for several months and was officially released late in 2020.

Guns are reported to be shipping to big distributors now (early Feb 2021) and I'll order one as soon as I can find one in stock.

Here's the first of what's likely to be a number of YouTube videos:


https://youtu.be/TPVk1ZHP7a0

Anyone other than me and Shadow interested in this new gun?

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[GJM]

Did the drop issue ever get explained?

[Tokarev]

Did the drop issue ever get explained?Not that I've seen anywhere.

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[5pins]

Oops, Failer to eject at the three minute mark.

[Tokarev]

Oops, Failer to eject at the three minute mark.Yep. I see it left an empty case on top of the mag.



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[Tokarev]

In watching the video again I do see the pistol is using a G19 recoil spring. It is visible at about 1:40.

Nobody has these in stock that I've been able to find. What I did do is contact Bryan at Aim Surplus. He said he'll add me to an email list so I can be notified when they've got guns to ship.

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[Tokarev]

Oops, Failer to eject at the three minute mark.

You can see the whole sequence at about 4:42. He has this failure to eject and then the slide doesn't go fully into battery after the reload.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_CbP3wvZ8E

The same footage is used in the DR920 video but it is cut between the ejection failure and the failure to go into battery.

[Tokarev]

Nobody has these in stock that I've been able to find.

Shadow Systems posted yesterday on their fakebook page that guns started shipping to distributors this week.

[Tokarev]

Found this pic on Shadow Systems' Fake Book page.

Still no sign of guns in stock anywhere that I can find...[emoji852]

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[Shadow]

I've had my eye out for a DR920 as well, no luck either. If they are shipping I'd like to know where.

[MGW]

Local range is a distributor for them. I’ll keep an eye out. They put pretty much everything in their rental counter. Looking forward to trying one.

[Tokarev]

I've had my eye out for a DR920 as well, no luck either. If they are shipping I'd like to know where.


Local range is a distributor for them. I’ll keep an eye out. They put pretty much everything in their rental counter. Looking forward to trying one.

Not sure what's going on. I would have figured we'd have seen at least one or two on gunstroker by now. None on Gallery of Guns either.

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[Tokarev]

Anyone had any luck locating a DR yet? Shadow Systems posted some days ago that guns were shipping. This was before the Texas weather went upside down so at least some should have cleared the loading docks.

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[MGW]

Checked today and my local dealer didn’t have any info on them yet. They were also out of stock on MR920s.

[Shadow]

2 of my local shops checked their sources for me and no luck here either.

[Tokarev]

Another picture stolen from socialist media.

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[Tokarev]

Behold! SHADOW SYSTEMS NEW DR920!

Probably the best way to think about this is as Gen4.5. It uses the original pattern slide release (non-ambi) but the barrel and locking block are Gen5 based. This means a Glock 19 or MR920 slide will fit. In fact the slide itself accepts the G19 recoil system but is extended to work with a G17 dust cover.

I also notice that the firing pin is round and not rectangular as is also the case with Gen5 guns. The firing pin on my MR920 is rectangular ala old Glock. I assume Shadow is going to use round firing pins in everything going forward? It wouldn't really make sense to manufacture and stock 2 different types.

Otherwise, the gun follows the MR920 in that it has the same sort of rough "grip tape" texturing and uses the slide-on backstrap inserts. It also has the pin-on mag well and the built-in beavertail.

The optic cut is the same as that of the MR920. Same deep cut (and elimination of the extractor depressor) that will work with multiple optics.

The light mounting point appears to be Glock and not 1913. I guess I'd have preferred 1913 but I don't know if anyone really cares.

No rounds fired yet. I can maybe fix that this coming weekend.

In the meantime, let me know if there are any questions I can answer.

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[Tokarev]

I do find it interesting that Shadow Systems basically made a big Glock 19 rather than a Glock 17. This makes sense given that they already made the slide for the MR920L.

What I don't understand is why they didn't make a Glock 47. They have it here just by taking about half an inch off the dust cover. This would have allowed them to make a Glock 17 and a Glock 45 using slides they already make. It isn't too late but now they'd need a new frame mold and I assume they ain't cheap.

Someone who is talented and has experience working with plastic frames such as @TXPO or Boresight Solutions could probably trim the dust cover and make it look factory.

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[Shadow]

Well done sir, looking forward to your range report. Where did you locate one?

[Tokarev]

@TXPO

Doh!

This should have been Texaspoff

[Tokarev]

Well done sir, looking forward to your range report. Where did you locate one?


Give these guys a try.

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/893945936

[Whirlwind06]

So does it have the breech face cut like gen 5 Glocks?
Or is that not a problem with these models?

[Tokarev]

So does it have the breech face cut like gen 5 Glocks?

Is that the little half moon cut below the firing pin hole?



Or is that not a problem with these models?

What is the problem(s) with not having this cut?


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[Whirlwind06]

Is that the little half moon cut below the firing pin hole?



What is the problem(s) with not having this cut?


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The BFC from my reading fixes extraction problems. Brass in the face, erratic extraction, etc.

[Tokarev]

The BFC from my reading fixes extraction problems. Brass in the face, erratic extraction, etc.If I am reading things correctly as to what the BFC is then there is no such cut on the 920.

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[Tokarev]

No rounds fired yet but impressions are favorable.

The fit and finish is good and on par with my MR920. Slide machining is good with no visible tool marks or crooked lines or buffed out edges.

The frame is also nice with just a slightly visible seam where the two halves are formed together.

The trigger is a little gritty but is better than how I remember my MR when it was new. I assume the trigger will smooth itself out with continued dry fire and some actual range time. I haven't put a pull gauge on it yet. I plan on doing this after I've shot it a little bit.

Otherwise I don't have much to report. The gun is essentially what I expected it to be which is in effect a Glock with some factory-installed upgrades.

Will it sell well for Shadow Systems? Probably although I don't know if it will have the mass appeal of the MR. The DR is supposed to be a duty gun and some will no doubt find a home in duty holsters but I imagine the gun will mostly appeal to USPSA and similar shooters.

Maybe I'm wrong. I never thought the 2011 would become a serious content as a duty gun but the Staccato P seems to be doing well in the market.

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[Tokarev]

Just a brief update.

I put three mags of CCI Blazer and one mag of Speer 147 Gold Dot through the gun this morning. Everything was shot on a B/C zone steel target. I didn't take any paper because the wind was blowing at the house. But it was calm and nice at the spot in the hills where I normally shoot. Go figure.

Anyway, there was no drama. I had already mostly sighted in my Holosun 508T by dialing the dot into the irons. After I got things refined I shot for group at 15, 25 and 50 yards. The gun works as expected. No problems of any kind noted using the Magpul mags that came with the gun nor with a factory Glock mag.

I guess the only "complaint" I have at the moment is that the barrel sticks out the end of my Blackhawk holster.

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[Tokarev]

I'll shoot again this coming weekend and will update then.

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[Tokarev]

Oops. One thing I previously forgot to mention is the extra spring on the striker. The gun has the usual spring cups and striker spring but there's a second spring between the spacer sleeve and the lug on the striker. I assume this works as a counter to the striker spring and helps with trigger pull.

I haven't had my Gen 5 19 (top end only. I have it on a Nomad frame) apart in awhile and I don't remember there being an extra spring in there.

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[Tokarev]

Here's the extra striker spring.

One thing it does is pull the striker back after it has been released by the cruciform so the firing pin block can return to the blocked position. Maybe that is its purpose.

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[Shadow]

Here's the extra striker spring.

One thing it does is pull the striker back after it has been released by the cruciform so the firing pin block can return to the blocked position. Maybe that is its purpose.

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If I understand you correctly the striker spring and the new spring oppose one another in the assembly? I wonder how the balance between the striker spring, FP safety(block)
spring and the new spring all play out. Curios to hear the reason from Shadow Systems.

[Tokarev]

Here is, for reference, an MR920 top end on a DR920 frame.

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It should be a fairly simple job to cut the frame off and sand/polish things up to make it look factory. This would allow the owner to use a DR920 or MR920 slide Interchangeably.

Another option would be to leave the frame alone and add an MR920 top end with a comp installed. This would create a comp gun pretty close in size to a stock G17.


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[Bucky]

Here's the extra striker spring.

One thing it does is pull the striker back after it has been released by the cruciform so the firing pin block can return to the blocked position. Maybe that is its purpose.

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Sounds like a rebound spring, similar function to a firing pin spring on a hammer gun.

I wonder if this is to prevent striker drag, which is seen on a conventional Glock.

[dfeder530]

Tokarev

Can you tell me if the DR920 slide on the MR920 frame will essentially make the equivalent of an MR920L model?

[Tokarev]

Tokarev

Can you tell me if the DR920 slide on the MR920 frame will essentially make the equivalent of an MR920L model?

That is my understanding. I don't have an MR920L to compare for sure.

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[Tokarev]

Just finished up three days with Modern Samurai Project in Prescott, AZ. I used my MR920 and DR920 throughout.

Day One was AIWB and I used the MR exclusively in my Blackhawk! Stache holster. Everything worked fine but the holster sits just a little low for me. Even with the large claw there still isn't quite enough room to get my firing hand knuckles between the pistol and my belt.

Day Two was red dot stuff. I stuck with the MR and the Stache. Again, no issues related to the gun although I developed a habit of rolling backyard at the waist as it made me feel like I was exposing more of the pistol thereby making it easier to draw. Speaking of the Stache I noticed that the screws on the claw, holster belt loop and mag pouch belt loop were all a little loose at the end of this day. I plan on replacing the holster belt loop with clip(s) from DCC with the hope that this will raise the gun/holster maybe ⅜ or ¼ inch above the belt.

Day Three was dot again with some multiple target stuff and some basic movement. For Day Three I ran the DR out of a Blackhawk! T-series level three duty rig. No issues with the gun save for two minor complaints. The thread protector on the barrel kept working itself loose and had to be retightened every couple mags. Also the trigger housing pin kept wanting to walk out of the frame. At lunch I swapped THPs between the MR and DR and the problem went away although now I have a loose pin in my MR... I think I have a spare pin in my little stash of Glock parts so I'll change that out and drive on.

Overall, both Shadow Systems guns worked fine and I'm pleased with both.

Thanks for reading. Happy Sunday!


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[JCN]

Silicone O-ring will keep the threaded cap from walking

[Tokarev]

Silicone O-ring will keep the threaded cap from walkingIt has one on there. I guess I just need to have my daughter tighten the cap for me.

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[Tokarev]

Some pricing info for LE consumers here:

https://www.police1.com/police-products/firearms/articles/review-multi-role-and-duty-role-920-pistols-from-shadow-systems-yI67D5IXh0i5Der0/

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[DrFalken]

Any ideas if the gap between the slide and the frame above the light rail was intentionally spaced more on the DR920? Looks like the frame is drooping away from the slide above the light. The MR920 has a nice even reveal between the frame and slide in your photo.

[Tokarev]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1h4ZhVv35jE

[Tokarev]

Any ideas if the gap between the slide and the frame above the light rail was intentionally spaced more on the DR920? Looks like the frame is drooping away from the slide above the light. The MR920 has a nice even reveal between the frame and slide in your photo.I wouldn't think the gap is intentional but that's just my guess.

In looking at various photos, all the DR guns seem to have a gap.

One thing I see is that many of the DRs currently for sale on GB have an extended slide release. A rolling change to standard production or a factory option?

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[Shadow]

Ordered a DR920 last week, should be here in a couple of days.

[Tokarev]

Ordered a DR920 last week, should be here in a couple of days.Any updates?

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[Shadow]

Any updates?

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Not yet, the distributor is so backed up it finally shipped yesterday.

[Biggy]

I just picked up my MR920L a few hours ago. I will be having a shootout between the Shadow Systems pistols and the Sig P320 pistols. It should be interesting.

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[unclestevie45]

I wouldn't think the gap is intentional but that's just my guess.

In looking at various photos, all the DR guns seem to have a gap.

One thing I see is that many of the DRs currently for sale on GB have an extended slide release. A rolling change to standard production or a factory option?

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I sent an email to Shadow Systems regarding the slide stop. I got a response from Cody McElroy stating

"Our current slide stops are all the extended variant"

And I asked if they had any of the 'standard' slide stops and was told they do no.

[Tokarev]

[QUOTE=Shadow;1210888]Not yet, the distributor is so backed up it finally shipped yesterday.[/QUOTE Shadow

Any updates? Did you get your DR920 yet?

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[Shadow]

[QUOTE=Tokarev;1215897][QUOTE=Shadow;1210888]Not yet, the distributor is so backed up it finally shipped yesterday.[/QUOTE Shadow

Any updates? Did you get your DR920 yet?

Unfortunately the permit system in NJ takes forever. I just got my approval so I should be able to pick it up sometime this week after my NICS check. Just multiple layers of approvals before you can pick up your gun.

[Shadow]

Picked up my DR920 yesterday. I must say I am impressed with the fit, finish and overall balance and feel so far. The trigger right out of the box is pretty darn good also and will only get better. Mounted an RMR on it. Hope to run a couple hundred rounds through it today.

[DacoRoman]

Timely thread for me!

I’m recovering from right shoulder surgery and have enough time to contemplate how my vision is officially sucking now, and had the bright idea that I “need” a pistol(s) with an mrds, and to possibly upgrade my mainly Gen3 Glocks .. which brought the shadow systems to my attention. So I’m very intrigued with your SS pistols, thanks for reporting!

I’m sort of in analysis paralysis myself looking at something like an MR and DR duo.. or getting one of my Gen3 19’s and either my Gen3, or 4, 17 done up.. it does seem so much easier to get into something “complete” like the MR and DR..or two MR’s...I’m also looking at ZEV, Grey Ghost, Suarez slides.

Anyway, I like my Gen3’s just fine but I’m curious why SS kept a Gen 3 style recoil system instead of the Gen 4/5. The complete Zev gun also used a single spring Gen3 style I do believe interestingly.

Also how much parts interchangeability is there with OEM Glock parts.. I have a good pile of Gen3 spare parts so I’m just wondering.

Congrats on your cool new blaster!

[Noah]

Anyway, I like my Gen3’s just fine but I’m curious why SS kept a Gen 3 style recoil system instead of the Gen 4/5. The complete Zev gun also used a single spring Gen3 style I do believe interestingly.

Also how much parts interchangeability is there with OEM Glock parts.. I have a good pile of Gen3 spare parts so I’m just wondering.

Congrats on your cool new blaster!

People who use comps or porting which is common on fancied up Glocks like Zev and Shadow Systems usually lessen the recoil spring weight, which is almost universally done by adapting to a Gen 3 guide rod setup anyway.


A Brownells, Zev, or other similar pre cut slide would be a very easy way ti upgrade your Gen 3. The factory slide could then be sold. Having your existing slide milled is also a good option.

[Biggy]

Here is a link as to why SS chose to use a Glock Gen 3 type RSA in their pistols.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ib1rN6Mluk

[DacoRoman]

People who use comps or porting which is common on fancied up Glocks like Zev and Shadow Systems usually lessen the recoil spring weight, which is almost universally done by adapting to a Gen 3 guide rod setup anyway.


A Brownells, Zev, or other similar pre cut slide would be a very easy way ti upgrade your Gen 3. The factory slide could then be sold. Having your existing slide milled is also a good option.

Copy.
I’m indeed looking at all those options too.
Very interesting regarding the recoil spring and porting, makes sense.



Here is a link as to why SS chose to use a Glock Gen 3 type RSA in their pistols.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ib1rN6Mluk

Thank you for the link, I’ll check it out tomorrow!

[redryder]

I just picked up my MR920L a few hours ago. I will be having a shootout between the Shadow Systems pistols and the Sig P320 pistols. It should be interesting.

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Any results from your shootout between these two?

[Tokarev]

I haven't done it yet but have come close to sawing the last half inch off my DR920's dust cover. If done carefully I think it would look completely natural. Then it would allow me to run an MR920 slide on the full grip. I don't know if I really need that as an option in my life. Maybe the even cooler thing would be to be able to do the old school 1911 press check by hooking my thumb in the trigger guard and pressing the slide back from underneath the muzzle.

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[Biggy]

Any results from your shootout between these two?

I hate to admit it, but I just have not got around to it yet, and I am even retired with plenty of time and ammo.

[Tokarev]

Picked up my DR920 yesterday. I must say I am impressed with the fit, finish and overall balance and feel so far. The trigger right out of the box is pretty darn good also and will only get better. Mounted an RMR on it. Hope to run a couple hundred rounds through it today.Well????

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[arcticlightfighter]

So went to look at the DR920 today and settled on a NIB MR920 Elite ...

Took it out of the box and it had a dead trigger....was like the GLOCK 17R training pistol where the trigger automatically reset and did not disengage with the firing pin/striker assy

To say I was disappointed was an understatment.

The sales clerk said it was "probably assembled wrong" however not confindence building.

I left with out the gun.

I liked the feel of the DR however I prefer the MR size.

[Shadow]

Well????

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I haven't had much time at all with the DR, wanted more trigger time before further reporting. I'm hosting the Modern Samurai class at our range in a couple of weeks. I'm probably going to run the DR for class, I'll report back after that.

[Shadow]

Had an opportunity to run another 300 rounds of factory 147 grain fp through the DR this morning.

Before hitting the range I swapped out the factory trigger for an Agency arms and added a Volker Precision comp.

The factory trigger has a nice feel to it with a fair amount of take up before hitting a solid wall. It broke nicely with a short reset.

After installing the Agency trigger take up was reduced and the wall has more of a rolling break. Reset is about the same. The trigger return spring is stout, for a quick and positive reset. There was a bit of grittyness with the factory and Agency triggers but that smoothed up as time went on.

I've become a fan of the Volker comp. It has a smaller profile, less mass weight than others and is very effective at reducing felt recoil and muzzle rise.

After the addition of the trigger and comp I hit the range

During the initial break in of 200 rounds I had 1 failure to return to battery. I have not had any other malfunctions since. The DR feels good in the hand and points well. Aquiring the dot is quick and effortless.

I was a little concerned about the use of the MR920 recoil spring assembly in the DR but it proved to be a non issue. Ejection was positive and combined with the comp tracking the dot was quick and easy.

I wanted to get a good feel for the DR so I spent a fair amount of time executing 1 shot engagements from the holster at the 5,7,10,15 and 25 yardlines on the timer. The DR didn't disappoint. Draws to engagements were seamless. The Shadow Systems barrel proved to be very accurate as well.

After approximately 150 single shot engagements I moved on to multiple target transitions and bill drills at 10 yards. The DR really began to shine for me here. It seemed like the faster I pushed it the better it performed. It put the bullet exactly where I wanted it in a hurry with little effort from me. It just felt good driving it.

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[Tokarev]

Thanks for the update.

I had my DR920 apart the other day and was really tempted to slap my MR920 slide on and cut the frame accordingly. I don't know if I would swap slides back and forth or end up using the DR as a G17 or G45 but it would be a fun thing to play with.

But then I chickened out. Not that it would be too terribly hard to saw and sand the frame. I'm just not sure I need to go down that road yet. Plus if I use the DR in G45 format it would leave my MR frame without a slide...

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[Westtexasrancher]

Anyone put a gadget on a shadow systems?

[Kanye Wyoming]

Anyone put a gadget on a shadow systems?
Yes, Gen 4 gadget on the MR918.

They won’t fit on the MR920, though, because they changed the design a little bit. I called Shadow Systems when the 920 came out to ask about this and that’s what they told me.

It’s really too bad.

[Westtexasrancher]

Major bummer. Thanks for the info tho!

[Kanye Wyoming]

I also found a reference to this in the comments to a piece on their website.

73068
https://shadowsystemscorp.com/mr918-vs-mr920-what-did-we-change-and-why/

[Tokarev]

Info on the extra spring. And some other stuff about the striker:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jYdO7VcdYI

[TCinVA]

I also found a reference to this in the comments to a piece on their website.

73068
https://shadowsystemscorp.com/mr918-vs-mr920-what-did-we-change-and-why/

I figured as much looking at pictures of them. It's a shame because the beavertail on their grip does a good job of shielding my hand from Glock slide bite.

I had the chance to shoot one not long ago. It shot well...a little too well. I launched a round into the berm trying to move between targets just attempting to reset the trigger during the transition. That and the inability to put an SCD in it ruled the gun out for me.

[backtrail540]

I finally had a chance to handle one of these at the lgs. My friend was put off by the price until we discussed grabbing the 45 mos next to it, sending it for stippling, a proper plate, sights and trigger and your'e right in the same ballpark.

Subjectively it felt like an improved glock - functional texture where it should be, nice working front serrations (the glock front serrations are fine for me as well and more ubiquitous now), sights were great and the trigger seemed fine(I'm not a trigger snob by any means but I don't like the trigger safety on a standard glock, even worse on the serrated triggers). I would modify a gadget like JCN above to see how it holds up and obviously I can't tell how the mounting system works from handling in a shop but I think it's an attractive package - particularly the ability to change how it points via the backstraps (a great thing when you've got gun a.d.d. like I and change platforms randomly at will).

If I ever decide to get back into glock style guns then tracking down one of these would be very appealing based on initial handling.


For the few members who have these, are they running without problems so far?

[DpdG]

Couple questions for those familiar with these sorta Glocks: I have a 19x with some minor work done (comp, Acro direct mill, trigger, magwell) and was considering getting a G45MOS as a spare, set up fairly similar but in RMR pattern mounting. I came across the DR920 combat, which seems to come with all the stuff I would have done to the G45 anyways and would likely be similarly priced. How much interchangeability exists between a gen 5 and the DR, particularly slides- could I swap top ends between 19x and DR?

[Noah]

Couple questions for those familiar with these sorta Glocks: I have a 19x with some minor work done (comp, Acro direct mill, trigger, magwell) and was considering getting a G45MOS as a spare, set up fairly similar but in RMR pattern mounting. I came across the DR920 combat, which seems to come with all the stuff I would have done to the G45 anyways and would likely be similarly priced. How much interchangeability exists between a gen 5 and the DR, particularly slides- could I swap top ends between 19x and DR?


The DR920 could probably accept a Gen 5 19/45 slide and barrel. Most of the guts in the Shadow slide are now proprietary but most of the frame parts are Gen 4.

[Tokarev]

The DR920 could probably accept a Gen 5 19/45 slide and barrel. Most of the guts in the Shadow slide are now proprietary but most of the frame parts are Gen 4.


Couple questions for those familiar with these sorta Glocks: I have a 19x with some minor work done (comp, Acro direct mill, trigger, magwell) and was considering getting a G45MOS as a spare, set up fairly similar but in RMR pattern mounting. I came across the DR920 combat, which seems to come with all the stuff I would have done to the G45 anyways and would likely be similarly priced. How much interchangeability exists between a gen 5 and the DR, particularly slides- could I swap top ends between 19x and DR?

The DR920 barrel will fit into a Gen 5 pistol and vice versa since these are both essentially long Glock 19 barrels.

The MR918/920 and G19 Gen 4 slide assemblies are also interchangeable and will fit on the DR920 frame. But the DR dust cover is too long and sticks out past the shorter slide. I guess it would certainly function this way but it looks funny.

So two other options come to mind:

Saw the dust cover off and clean up the plastic with a file and some sand paper. This would essentially give the owner a Gucci version of the CBP Glock 47 albeit without the ambi slide release.

Run the short slide assembly with a threaded barrel and attach someone's carry comp. If done correctly this should look good on the frame and yield a comped gun that's no bigger than a G17.

I am actually somewhat surprised Shadow Systems did not shorten the DR920 dust cover right off the bat. The contents are there they just didn't think the line out too well. Either that or launch a comped top end as outlined above. They could easily contour the comp to the slide and frame to give the whole assembly a clean and purposeful look.

For reference here are barrels switch between G5 Glock and DR:



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[Tokarev]

I put about 300 rounds through my DR920 (with its new barrel) over the last few weeks helping out with NLEFIA's law enforcement red dot class. Not surprisingly, the DR920 continues to work well. The few students who have shot immediately comment or the grip texture and how good it feels.

I'm currently running it with a Holosun HE508T with green reticle, Streamlight TLR-1HL and Blackhawk! T-Series level three holster with 10-8 Performance Safariland adapter plate. I also want to mess around with the Nightstick TWM-30 but this light is not compatible with the Blackhawk! holster. Maybe I'll get one of the new Comp-Tac duty holsters to mess with.

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[backtrail540]

My best friend has more money and desire than skill or ambition, and had been on a buying spree this year. It is great for me to live vicariously through his impulse and due to that I'll get to run a dr920 next weekend. Looking forward to it!!

[Tokarev]

My best friend has more money and desire than skill or ambition, and had been on a buying spree this year. It is great for me to live vicariously through his impulse and due to that I'll get to run a dr920 next weekend. Looking forward to it!!Nothing revolutionary. Just some good upgrades. Thoughts on spiral flutes and unnecessary slide holes not withstanding.

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[backtrail540]

Nothing revolutionary. Just some good upgrades. Thoughts on spiral flutes and unnecessary slide holes not withstanding.

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The thing I'm most interested in seeing is if it answers whether the grip angle is the culprit that causes my wrist issues to flare. Most other guns don't do it and it may be angle but i have a suspicion that maybe thickness high on the tang may play into it as well. The neutral backstrap that was installed from the factory should solve the grip angle side of things. Either way i don't plan on straying back to glock(eque) guns anytime soon but i have to shoot it - for the science!

[Biggy]

I am still loving my two and have absolutely no regrets about about them.

https://i.imgur.com/OoKFON5h.jpg

[Lon]

I reached out to them to see if they’d sell just the frame. Don’t need or want the whole pistol.

[backtrail540]

I reached out to them to see if they’d sell just the frame. Don’t need or want the whole pistol.

Rocket city has some of the mr918 frames. Not sure if/ when they'll get the newer versions or the major differences between the two.

[Lon]

Rocket city has some of the mr918 frames. Not sure if/ when they'll get the newer versions or the major differences between the two.

I saw those. If they won’t sell a DR frame I’ll probably grab one.

[backtrail540]

I got the chance to run it today with an SRO. First outing impressions largely match my initial impressions from handling one at the lgs a few months ago.

Texture is good, undercut is solid, serrations are nice, trigger feels good (actual feel as opposed to characteristics), magwell is large.

I didn't realize the backstrap that comes installed is the neutral aka m&p-ish grip angle, which explains why I liked the variants I handled in the store so much. I didn't try the glock or 1911-ish grip angles but I may in the future just for funs. The optic system is unique and I like it. I was surprised how long the screws were for the sro. Seems well thought out to my non engineer lamen brain.

I had 2 failure to feeds while shooting over 130 rounds. As stated elsewhere, and in the manual, that is within the stated 200 round "break in" period. Seems lame to me but whatever. If I had one and wanted to carry it I would simply start the "vetting" after the first 200 and if there were still issues then I would figure them out then. Could use a different slide release for my taste.

For a holster I used a DSG orion for a 5" m&p which fit well enough, though it was a little deeper than normal and resulted in some middle finger knuckle dragging on the holster body.

As far as shooting goes, I ran it through my standard battery of tests that I use for comparison purposes. I start with my Cold Hit Factor drill(3&2, 3@7,10,15 to an A zone time/points using uspsa minor scoring). Right in the middle of my performance window, scoring a 6.73(my pr is 7.77 and low a 6.11).

Then I follow with the Gabe White standards. My aggregate corrected time was 18.3. For comparison my best agg is 17.57 - turbo agg is 16.6, light 21.5, and dark is 28.2.

Next comes a run of the advanced supertest. A 286 was the result, not counting the 6.45 ot run on the 5 yard string against it because I had to clear a failure to feed(fixed itself after a tap) or it would have been under. That is a touch lower than what I've been putting in as of late (many 290+) but pretty solid historically for me.

Finally I run my modified version of DB's modified LAPD swat qual, using a b8 and 3x5 from the holster scored by the rings and 10 or bust for the 3x5. I finished it with a 290/360, with a miss at 25(-10), a miss at 7 on the 3x5(-10), a miss at 3 on the 3x5(-10), and two OT shots for -10 (one at 5 and one at 3). So aside from those the rings had -20. None of which says anything about the shootability of the gun, just mental errors on my part. I've only cleared the Dobbs standard of 90% twice and both recently with m&p's.

The last shots of the day were a few groups at 25, the first of which was one of the better standing freestyle 25 yard groups i've put down. I posted it in the 25 yard freestyle thread.


For a gun I haven't had any time to get familiar with and didn't have a proper holster for, I think it peformed fine. The 2 ftf's are concerning insofar as I think break in perioid on a plastic striker gun seems a bit much but I'll give it the benefit of the doubt for now and see how it holds up to my and my shooting partners shooting after 200. The backstrap system, combined with better texture/undercut, and what seems to be a superior mounting system to the mos makes it worth it to me over a stock mos glock, if reliabilty is there as the round count goes up.

Cool gun so far, at least in the honeymoon phase, anyway. I hope the ftf's go away.


Edit - oh yeah the mag release is my favorite of all the gen4/5 releases I've used. Extended far enough that i reliably hit it with minimal movement but no accidental releases. It's great.

[backtrail540]

Minor update - an additional 150 rounds, no more ftf's. He seems like a happy customer. After a session with my m&p i noticed it took more effort for the same performance but still a cool gun.

[backtrail540]

Tokarev

p/CWlXO7vLRSX

They listened, sort of.

[Tokarev]

They listened, sort of.

Live on the SS website:

https://shadowsystemscorp.com/xr920/

[M2CattleCo]

Tokarev

p/CWlXO7vLRSX

They listened, sort of.

Glock 19 slide on a 17 frame. Quicker out of the holster and unmatched recoil control.

100% derp.

[Tokarev]

Quite a few guns already listed on gunbroker.com. Glad to see SS is figuring out the announcement vs availability thing. Nobody likes vaporware.

A recent YouTube review:

https://youtu.be/qsthT0A0fi4

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[Tokarev]

Shorter (and easier to watch) than the video linked above:

https://youtu.be/VYOojo6_AUM

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[MVS]

I think there is a lot to like about the gun. I really like their mounting solution for MRDS. I can't however bring myself to buy a gun without an ambi slide release, as a lefty, now that almost everything has one. (I say that while considering a Stacatto C2)

[Tokarev]

I think there is a lot to like about the gun. I really like their mounting solution for MRDS. I can't however bring myself to buy a gun without an ambi slide release, as a lefty, now that almost everything has one. (I say that while considering a Stacatto C2)The aftermarket Glock world may be catching up to you. Nomad Defense is now making a Gen5 frame.

Regarding the XR920: they should discontinue the DR920 and rebrand it as the XR920L. Drop the G17 frame from the lineup and then just make the MR and XR frames.

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[MGW]

I’ve been messing around with an MR920 combat and a DR920 Elite. Both have standard non threaded barrels. I thought it was my imagination but the DR Elite has a lot more recoil and the sights don’t settle as well as the MR Combat. It’s not unmanageable but it’s a lot more work to shoot quickly and accurately compared to the MR. splits are slower. More likely to throw a shot out of the A zone. I thought maybe it was the recoil spring. Tried the spring out of the MR no difference. Tried a factory Glock RSA out of a G45 and it improved but still not as good. A factory Glock 17 has less recoil than the DR Elite. I don’t really know what to make of the difference. The recoil wouldn’t bother me but the sight rerun on target is really erratic. I would like to shoot a DR Combat to compare.

I bought the Elite used at a good price. Pretty sure I’m going to kick it down the road and keep the MR920. I hate Glock 19’s and don’t shoot them well at all. So far I really like the MR and plan to turn it into a carry gun eventually.

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[Tokarev]

The possibility exists for a factory slide milled for an ACRO.

Yes or no?


https://youtu.be/Jwn29qUBy2A

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[backtrail540]

The possibility exists for a factory slide milled for an ACRO.

Yes or no?


https://youtu.be/Jwn29qUBy2A

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I saw one of their other YouTube videos had what looked like a milled acro and inquired in the comments to no avail. Now i know why. I think it makes sense to avoid the plates like their current system.

[Tokarev]

I saw one of their other YouTube videos had what looked like a milled acro and inquired in the comments to no avail. Now i know why. I think it makes sense to avoid the plates like their current system.Obviously the direct mount milled option is the best in terms of durability. It does nothing for current owners who may want to switch optics. Or who want an enclosed emitter like the 509T.

I think in these situations Shadow System is missing the boat. Even with an adapter plate the screws should securely attach the plate to the slide. Win win for everyone.

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[MVS]

Obviously the direct mount milled option is the best in terms of durability. It does nothing for current owners who may want to switch optics. Or who want an enclosed emitter like the 509T.

I think in these situations Shadow System is missing the boat. Even with an adapter plate the screws should securely attach the plate to the slide. Win win for everyone.

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Individual experiences vary, but I have multiple examples of both direct mount and plate mount and my desire to avoid plates gets stronger all of the time.

[DMCutter]

I have a 509t on a MR920. The Holosun plate mounts with the cover plate screws, I just had to turn the heads down a few hundredths. Depending on the Holosun plate, the screws may work without modification.

[Biggy]

I think I will call Shadow Systems tomorrow and ask them if they would consider offering just the ACRO cut slides for sale at some point.

[backtrail540]

I think I will call Shadow Systems tomorrow and ask them if they would consider offering just the ACRO cut slides for sale at some point.

I think that may be the more appealing option for current owners.

[Tokarev]

I think I will call Shadow Systems tomorrow and ask them if they would consider offering just the ACRO cut slides for sale at some point.Let us know what you find out.

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[Tokarev]

I have a 509t on a MR920. The Holosun plate mounts with the cover plate screws, I just had to turn the heads down a few hundredths. Depending on the Holosun plate, the screws may work without modification.You running the plastic spacer pieces with the adapter plate?

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[DMCutter]

I'm out of town and can't put my hands on it right now but my recollection is that I used a spacer. I might have had to trim it down a hair to make it fit.

[Tokarev]

I think that may be the more appealing option for current owners.


Individual experiences vary, but I have multiple examples of both direct mount and plate mount and my desire to avoid plates gets stronger all of the time.

While I agree that plates will almost always be less desirable than a dedicated cut, I still think Shadow Systems should still consider an adapter plate.

Hopefully QC would be consistent across the various slide lengths and from year to year that such a plate would fit tightly into the cutout. If not, some plastic spacers could be used to get a very solid fit. I'd think with the longer mounting screws SS is using now we would have the next best thing to a dedicated cut.

Point for similar discussion; when I switched from my 508T red to my 508T green I found some slight variance in body length. The red reticle version fit quite snugly with the appropriate spacer. The green version did not because the housing is fractionally smaller. I called SS to enquire about getting a new spacer. The tech told me to just use the existing spacer and to squirt a little red loktite in to help fill the gap.

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[Biggy]

Message from Shadow Systems today: {Thanks for contacting us and for your input. As of right now, the ACRO cut slides are still experimental. We have them in testing both here at the factory and with several police departments. We are hoping to be able to make them available soon }

[backtrail540]

They seem to be hinting about 26 sized guns on ig with videos showing a table of guns that get smaller as you go down. The fullsize then compacts in the middle and then a smaller size on the end. The natural progression it seems.

[Lon]

Still shot from the video.

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[Tokarev]

John Farnam commented on seeing/shooting Shadow Systems' "eleven shooter" at the SHOT range day.

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[stinx]

Did the drop issue ever get explained?

What is the drop issue?

[DMCutter]

What is the drop issue?

Someone supposedly dropped one and it went off. I think he posted about it on Reddit or Instagram. According to one of the tech guys at Shadow Systems (who is no longer there), they couldn't replicate the discharge, even dropping it from a ladder. I told him he should pipe up on PF but he didn't want to feed the fire. They did post a Technical Tuesday video addressing drop safety, though. I don't know that there have been any other reported instances.

[backtrail540]

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[Tokarev]

82961Nice to see it will accommodate a light.

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[Lon]

Video of the CR920??

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CY20eI3hh_Y/?utm_medium=copy_link

[backtrail540]

Video of the CR920??

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CY20eI3hh_Y/?utm_medium=copy_link

The comments seem to lead to this being their thin frame gun - shadow systems mentioning 43/43x/48 holsters.

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[Noah]

Video of the CR920??

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CY20eI3hh_Y/?utm_medium=copy_link

It fits G43X and G48 holsters, has a rail, and has a slightly shorter grip with a Shield Arms style (and possibly produced) 10 round flush mag and a 12 or 13 round extended mag, much like the S&W Shield Plus.

[backtrail540]

I guess in my mind the natural progression was 26 then the thin guns later but i bet this would meet market expectation better than a 26, with the thin guns being all the rage now.

[Noah]

I guess in my mind the natural progression was 26 then the thin guns later but i bet this would meet market expectation better than a 26, with the thin guns being all the rage now.

Yes, I'd honestly be shocked if they ever make a 26 style gun. The market demand just isn't there with the advent of the P365/43X and company.

[Tokarev]

Here's the official press release on the CR920. Maybe this pistol needs its own thread?

A Subcompact That Shoots Like a Full-Size, the Shadow Systems CR920

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE.

Plano, TX (January, 2022) – American handgun maker Shadow Systems has released its much-anticipated subcompact pistol this week at SHOT Show 2022. The new product, called the CR920 is a subcompact that is designed to shoot like a full-size pistol. All the shootability found in the rest of the Shadow Systems product line is now ultra-concealable in the CR920.

The Shadow Systems pistol lineup includes sizes for every possible role including the full-size DR920, compact MR920, and two crossover offerings: the compact with full-length top end MR920L and full-size framed XR920 which features a short top end. The CR920 now rounds out that lineup as the micro-option, ready to hide under a spring wardrobe. The CR stands for Covert Role, which has been long requested by Shadow Systems customers. The CR920’s capacity can be 13+1 with a patent-pending basepad or 10+1 with a flush magazine option.

The engineers at Shadow Systems were tasked with the ultimate balancing act in creating a subcompact that is actually nice to shoot. Historically, shootability of subcompacts has been a bit of an afterthought, but the CR920 shoots like a full-size pistol, while concealing into holsters made for G43/43X/48. The CR920 weighs in at just 17.8 ounces.

Packed into this concealable package are all of the standard Shadow Systems features, like an aggressively textured frame. The slide features directional serrations in the front, rear, and topside (for Elite models). Steel sights with a tritium front grace the topside of the slide, where Combat Optic and Elite models feature the patented Shadow Systems multi-footprint optic cut. The optic cut on the CR920 allows for direct-to-slide mounting of most brands of mini-RDS optics, including the Shield RMS and Holosun 507k. The CR920 has a match-grade, spiral-fluted 3.41-inch barrel, available in Shadow Systems’ customary bronze or black nitride.

Internals feature a stainless-steel guide rod and a drop-safe, flat-faced trigger. The trigger has a 4.5-5.0 pound trigger pull and a crisp, tactile reset. The CR920 ships in a zippered pistol rug with two magazines: a 13+1 capacity magazine and a flush 10+1 capacity magazine. CR920 will be available in Combat, Combat Optic, and Elite models, with MSRP starting at $679.

The CR920 is manufactured wholly in the United States using American labor and materials. The veteran-led team at Shadow Systems includes former law enforcement officers, members of the military, and competitive shooters. This diverse background contributes to Shadow Systems’ unique design philosophy of building pistols with features based on real-world shooting experience. Every Shadow Systems pistol is designed to be highly reliable and easy to shoot well right out of the box.

Explore every little detail of the CR920 at www.shadowsystemscorp.com/CR920

About Shadow Systems
Shadow Systems Corp. is a privately held, Plano, Texas-based manufacturer of premium firearms and firearm parts. Each product is designed and manufactured in the USA by a team of Veterans and former Law Enforcement Officers. Everything is engineered to be used and abused, as real hard-use tools should be.

More information on the company can be found at shadowsystemscorp.com. Information on LEO/Mil Programs can be found at shadowsystemsdefense.com. Dealer Support can be reached by emailing dealersupport@shadowsystemscorp.com.


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[DMCutter]

I'm not a Glock 43 guy-are the 10 and 13 round mags standard fare for the 43 and 43x?

[Lon]

I'm not a Glock 43 guy-are the 10 and 13 round mags standard fare for the 43 and 43x?

No. 43 - 6 and the 43x - 10.

Shield arms makes bigger capacity metal mags for them.

[Tokarev]

Info on the CR920 and the DR920P. I wonder how much longer the P is than a standard DR. Will it fit in my Blackhawk duty holster?


https://youtu.be/vvb0pN08V_Y

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[Tokarev]

And here's the release for the DP920P:



FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE.


Plano, TX (January, 2022) – Shadow Systems, the Texas-based pistol maker, has announced the release of their DR920P, a full-size pistol with an integrated compensator. The built-in compensator does not make use of a threaded barrel, which makes it compliant in jurisdictions that have threaded-barrel bans.


The DR920P is built on Shadow Systems’ full-size DR920 frame, packing a full 17+1 capacity. The comp and slide are machined to give a single-piece appearance, while the novel design allows for rapid removal and attachment of the comp for cleaning. The patent-pending integrated compensator aligns automatically without the need for set screws or other friction devices. The DR920P’s front sight is mounted directly on top of the comp, for faster shot-to-shot tracking.


The DR920P, which fits G34 holsters, comes complete with the features that have made Shadow Systems so popular. These features include an aggressively textured frame with interchangeable backstraps that adjust the point of aim, a flat faced trigger, and a match-grade, spiral-fluted barrel. The DR920P is offered with the Elite model slide, which includes front and rear directional serrations, a weight-optimizing window cut, and Shadow Systems’ patented multi-footprint optic system. The optic cut allows for direct-to-slide mounting of most major brands of red dot optics, without the need for intervening plates or adapters.


The DR920P joins the Shadow Systems lineup among popular EDC staple the MR920, the full-size duty-ready DR920, two crossovers the MR920L and XR920, and their newly released subcompact CR920. Shadow Systems pistols are manufactured in the United States using American labor and materials. The shooter-first design mentality at Shadow Systems comes from their team’s real world shooting background. The veteran-led Shadow Systems team includes former law enforcement officers, members of the military, and competitive shooters.


Learn more about the DR920P and explore all features at shadowsystemscorp.com/DR920P

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[Biggy]

I have no doubt that at some point we will see Shadow Systems pistols with direct mount options for closed emitter MRDS like the ACRO, Holosun and Steiner. I think at some point they will also offer slide assemblies separately with these optic cuts.

[Tokarev]

https://youtu.be/gOkrwYvrR98

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[Lon]

That’s a cool set up.

[Biggy]

I would not be surprised to see Shadow Systems offering a compensator option on all their pistols at some point. Also, does the new CR920 compact pistol have their interchangeable backstrap system ?

[Det1397]

…Also, does the new CR920 compact pistol have their interchangeable backstrap system ?

It appears from the released photos and videos as well as information on the SS website and press releases, that the CR does not have the interchangeable back straps (at least the pre-production samples that we see…)

[DMCutter]

Hmph. I just assumed interchangeable backstraps because they said it featured everything the grown-up pistols do, but I don't see the pins at the top and bottom, so I guess no magwell, either. Their published specs make it about 0.5" longer than a 365 with the flush fit 10 round mag and a little shorter lengthwise and essentially the same height as the 365xl with the 13 round mag. I'm surprised it's that small, should work in a pocket. I'm envisioning one with a Holosun mini enclosed emitter.

[Noah]

Hmph. I just assumed interchangeable backstraps because they said it featured everything the grown-up pistols do, but I don't see the pins at the top and bottom, so I guess no magwell, either. Their published specs make it about 0.5" longer than a 365 with the flush fit 10 round mag and a little shorter lengthwise and essentially the same height as the 365xl with the 13 round mag. I'm surprised it's that small, should work in a pocket. I'm envisioning one with a Holosun mini enclosed emitter.

Per videos from Shadow today on their Youtube channel, it does not have interchangeable backstraps due to space constraints. It is cut for a 507K/407K or the new Holosun EPS you mentioned.

[Biggy]

I hope Shadow Systems adds a compensator option to every pistol in their product line. That includes the new CR920 . Also, IMHO Shadow Systems needs to offer all their pistols with closed emitter optic cuts, for the Aimpoint ACRO, Holosun and Steiner, etc. Also hoping they offer complete or stripped (no barrel) closed emitter optic cut slides for people that already have Shadow System Pistols.

[Grouse870]

So if you watch this video https://youtu.be/2PPQu1MGzR0 it appears that Glock 43x/48 mags will work in the cr920 based on the fact that the shield mags work in the gun as along as you switch out the mag release. Interesting. Shadow systems seems to be killing it lately.

[Biggy]

I wonder if Shadow Systems are actually making the CR920 mags themselves, which is no small feat and can take a lot of time in designing and producing them or if someone else is making them for Shadow Systems. I guess it really doesn’t matter as long as they are reliable and durable. I am just curious.

[Tokarev]

I wonder if Shadow Systems are actually making the CR920 mags themselves, which is no small feat and can take a lot of time in designing and producing them or if someone else is making them for Shadow Systems. I guess it really doesn’t matter as long as they are reliable and durable. I am just curious.I'd guess mags are made for them by the same company making the Shield mags. Likely some company like Checkmate.

That's just a complete guess. They could be made in-house.

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[GJM]

On the DR920 vs XR920, is there a consensus on which the dot tracks better on?

As I understand it, you can use a Gen 4 slide or frame on a MR920, and vice versa? If you got an XR920, it would seem to offer a lot of flexibility, just like G19/19X/45, as you could make your Glock or Shadow 19 slides into a G45 configuration.

[GJM]

I shot about 100 rounds thru my MR920 this afternoon, and near the end noticed my support thumb was bleeding. Looking at the pistol, I see why -- the slide detailing on the sides is quite sharp, and my support thumb must have drifted up as I see dried blood on the slide. My pistol is an early one, and I am hoping later guns are not as sharp there.

[David S.]

Do we have any idea what optics ready slides cost for these?

[Biggy]

I shot about 100 rounds thru my MR920 this afternoon, and near the end noticed my support thumb was bleeding. Looking at the pistol, I see why -- the slide detailing on the sides is quite sharp, and my support thumb must have drifted up as I see dried blood on the slide. My pistol is an early one, and I am hoping later guns are not as sharp there.

IMHO, I think when Shadow Systems removed the front frame molding around the slide lock/ take down lever pocket on their frame compared to the factory Glock frames, it puts the side of many peoples thumb in direct contact with the somewhat sharp serrations of the slide lock. I know it does mine, and under recoil it is not very pleasant. I filed the serration off just one side of the slide lock and it fixed the issue, and I can still remove the slide from my pistol with no problem. Also, I hope I am wrong but I don't believe Shadow System will be selling any of their ACRO, Holosun 509T or Steiner MPS optic cut slides just stripped , at least not in the near future, but there are many other aftermarket sources to get Gen 4 slides that **should** be compatible , Jagerworks and Centurion Arms just to name a few. Personally, I think some of these aftermarket slides have a little better aesthetics and they would also be compatible with the Glock SCD/ gadget.

https://i.imgur.com/r0XYjskl.jpg

[GJM]

IMHO, I think when Shadow Systems removed the front frame molding around the slide lock/ take down lever pocket on their frame compared to the factory Glock frames, it puts the side of many peoples thumb in direct contact with the somewhat sharp serrations of the slide lock. I know it does mine, and under recoil it is not very pleasant. I filed the serration off just one side of the slide lock and it fixed the issue, and I can still remove the slide from my pistol with no problem. Also, I hope I am wrong but I don't believe Shadow System will be selling any of their ACRO, Holosun 509T or Steiner MPS optic cut slides just stripped , at least not in the near future, but there are many other aftermarket sources to get Gen 4 slides that **should** be compatible , Jagerworks and Centurion Arms just to name a few. Personally, I think some of these aftermarket slides have a little better aesthetics and they would also be compatible with the Glock SCD/ gadget.

https://i.imgur.com/r0XYjskl.jpg

Looks like you have a Combat slide, not an Elite. What cut my thumb is the knife like sharp edges on the side of the Elite slide. I will get a Combat and sell my Elite.

[GJM]

My Elite slide has some really sharp edges in the detailing on the side of the slide.at 11 o'clock above the "MR920," and the reciprocal spot up forward and left are wicked sharp. Not sure if newer pistols are as sharp.

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We have been hanging out in Moab the last few days, where the low temps have been in the teens. That makes my hands less pliable and very slippery. The texture on the Shadow is awesome, allows good traction with cold hands but doesn't abrade worn next to my skin.

[David S.]

My Elite slide has some really sharp edges in the detailing on the side of the slide.at 11 o'clock above the "MR920," and the reciprocal spot up forward and left are wicked sharp. Not sure if newer pistols are as.

Zooming in on their website (https://shadowsystemscorp.com/dr920/) pics it appears they may have beveled those edges. I’m going to try to stop by a local dealer and fondle one. It appears to be a non factor in the Combat model.

[David S.]

Do we have any idea what optics ready slides cost for these?


Unfortunately, we do not sell our slides separately or plan on doing so anytime in the future. Our entire manufacturing capacity is dedicated to pending firearm orders. Sorry we couldn't be more of a help with this request.

[Tokarev]

I have exchanged an email or two with Shadow Systems about slides as well.

They do offer a dedicated ACRO cut for LE sales and plan to release a pistol(s) with ACRO cut on the civilian side later this year. It still doesn't sound like there are plans to sell just a slide or top end so existing customers will need to buy a new gun or work out some kind of adapter plate.

I'm not sure how big Shadow Systems is in the overall picture but there might be a market here for someone like C&H. It would seem to be a straightforward deal to make an adapter plate that's cut to the correct depth for seamless attaching. It could even be drilled for four screws for extra secure installation.

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[David S.]

I ordered a DR920 with the hopes that once demand slows down they will have the production capacity to sell slides separately.

It seems perfectly reasonable to say “we have no plans to…” when they have no idea if or when the market will stabilize.

[David S.]

Just got my DR in today and installed my 507c.

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One of the things I like about the Shadow Systems optic cut is screw length. It's my understanding that the Shadow Systems screw engages metal all the way down. The left side is the screw intended for my model of 507c, it engages the slide with something like 16 threads.

The screw on the right came out of my direct milled CZ P-09. It only engages the slide with three threads. The optic came with longer screws, but they bottomed out before engaging the optic. I imagine most adapter plate designs have similarly short thread engagement.

I'm not an engineer, but the Shadow Systems design seems more robust than most.

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[David S.]

Mounted. The Ameriglo sights are just the right height for the 507c.

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[David S.]

Two brief range sessions and 215 rounds (115g Blazer Brass) in. I'm optimistic.

The first twenty or so rounds had feeding issues. The rounds didn't want to strip off the magazine. The first box of ammo ejected cases every direction. Then it all seems to clear up and it's running "flawlessly" now with consistent 3 o'clock ejection. ;) The Shadow Systems manual lists a 200ish round "break in period." They reiterate that in on their YT channel, but clarify that most people will see the gun running well sooner. Mine seems to be no exception.

The gun's mechanical accuracy seems very good. Below is a sub 1.5" ten round group shot freestyle at 10 yards with a first round "I wouldn't worry about that little guy" called flyer at 9 o'clock. The remaining group is more like two groups: The upper group is where I called good trigger presses. The lower group were called low shanks. The two group problem trended pretty consistent across all the groups I shot today. Something to work on. I'm looking forward to stretching out to 25 yards.

This gun wants to shoot fast. The trigger is clean for a striker action. As it sits now, I don't feel the need mess with it. The dot seems to track more vertically for me than my CZ's. The dot returns quickly and precisely centered. Despite having ignored "speed mode" for a long time, I was easily able to get sub second draws, 0.17 - 0.20 splits, a couple 2ish second Bill Drills and sub two second Failure Drills from my gamer rig.

I expected the factory neon yellow/green Ameriglo front sight to be a distraction. So far it hasn't been. I'm not sure it that would be different if I was shooting a green instead of red dot optic. Like the gun that I rented, the POI seems to hit high for me. Will keep an eye on it.

Despite the undercut trigger guard, I'm forming a Glock knuckle.

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[Tokarev]

Sportsman's Warehouse is now a Shadow Systems retailer.

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[GJM]

When you think about how much time and money it would take to do trigger, grip and slide mods, the shadow systems pistol is actually a darn good bargain.

[KevH]

When you think about how much time and money it would take to do trigger, grip and slide mods, the shadow systems pistol is actually a darn good bargain.

Are the individual parts, like the barrel and trigger, the same quality as if you bought a Gen4 or Gen5 Glock and put a KKM barrel in it or an Apex or Overwatch trigger?

I dig their optic mounting solution and am intrigued by these.

[GJM]

Are the individual parts, like the barrel and trigger, the same quality as if you bought a Gen4 or Gen5 Glock and put a KKM barrel in it or an Apex or Overwatch trigger?

I dig their optic mounting solution and am intrigued by these.

I am not sure how to answer this. I am a "how does it shoot" as opposed to "how is it engineered" type person. From a shooter's perspective, the individual parts are excellent, with some novel design features, like the optics mounting system, that are pretty unique. Someone smarter than me will have to speak to the engineering and quality comparison.

The biggest downside with the Shadow pistols for me, is their inability to easily mount a closed emitter optic. Of course I fix that, by dropping a GEN 419 slide on my Shadow lower.

[David S.]

^^^^^

I completely agree on all points. (I only have 425 rounds of FMJ ammo through my copy)

ETA: The yet to be released Holosun EPS series seems like a possible solution to the closed emitter problem. Once they release the ACRO slide to the general public, I hope they'll start offering those slides. I'm curious if the CHPWS RMR to 509T (https://chpws.com/product/rmr-to-holosun-509t/) is thinner than the adapter plate that comes with the 509T.

[Kyle Reese]

Tempted to give one of these a whirl. Someone talk me out of it, please. :)

[David S.]

Tempted to give one of these a whirl. Someone talk me out of it, please. :)

Do not check Dahlonega Armory (https://dahlonegaarmory.com/) for their email pricing then. ;) My quote was about $150-200 off their listed (MAP?) price. $30 shipping to TX. They drop ship from a distributer, but mine was at my FFL within a week of purchase. (I have no affiliation. Just one satisfied purchase) I don't know if SS has special first responder pricing.

I'm 650 rounds into mine and will likely have a MR920 (Glock 19 size) or MR920L (Glock "19L" size) in my hands in a week or so.

IMO, the biggest downsides remain
- it's not really set up for closed emitter optics, though you could use the 509T RMR adapter plate.
- No Striker Control Device, though JCS (I think?) posted that he modified his SCD to work, it just doesn't sit flush.

I'm not a hundred percent sure, but it seems like the factory front sight post is a little short. My hits seem at least 6" high at 25 yards. I haven't spent much time with the irons, so it's entirely possible I just suck at shooting.

[G19Fan]

Shadow Systems has an excellent setup and their pistols shoot extremely well (feels a tad bit flatter vs an oem glock to me).

I own a few MR920s and the biggest downside is mounting a closed emitter. This can be remedied by getting a non OR model and getting it cut or running a G19 slide. I prefer a direct cut 509T as my optic and the G19 slide on shadow systems frame has run really well for me. My main training gun is on around 16k rounds with this combo.

[Kyle Reese]

Shadow Systems has an excellent setup and their pistols shoot extremely well (feels a tad bit flatter vs an oem glock to me).

I own a few MR920s and the biggest downside is mounting a closed emitter. This can be remedied by getting a non OR model and getting it cut or running a G19 slide. I prefer a direct cut 509T as my optic and the G19 slide on shadow systems frame has run really well for me. My main training gun is on around 16k rounds with this combo.

Honestly that's my biggest hang up with ordering one today- all of my pistol-mounted optics are now closed emitter.

[G19Fan]

Honestly that's my biggest hang up with ordering one today- all of my pistol-mounted optics are now closed emitter.

I think you have three options:

1) Optic Ready will accept the new holosun eps
2) Standard can be cut for a closed. Wager Machine can do it
3) Sell the slide and run a G19 upper (generally what I do)

[David S.]

Update:
750 rounds through my DR920 Combat with no issues after the first fifty or so rounds of "break in." I've been shooting a mix of 115g Blazer Brass, 147g Fenix, 124g Stand 1 Armory, and about 50 rounds of 147g HST.

I also picked up a MR920L Elite ("Glock 19L" sized: G19 grip with a G17 slide) and shot about 75 rounds of the 124g Stand 1 Armory through it yesterday. I didn't have any "break in" issues at all like I did with the DR920. It fed properly from round one. Initial impressions are positive.

[David S.]

The SS compensator system.


https://youtu.be/hwf62kOZ8BM

[Biggy]

Shadow Systems has an excellent setup and their pistols shoot extremely well (feels a tad bit flatter vs an oem glock to me).

I own a few MR920s and the biggest downside is mounting a closed emitter. This can be remedied by getting a non OR model and getting it cut or running a G19 slide. I prefer a direct cut 509T as my optic and the G19 slide on shadow systems frame has run really well for me. My main training gun is on around 16k rounds with this combo.


What generation of Glock slide works/ or works the best with the Shadow Systems pistols ??

[G19Fan]

What generation of Glock slide works/ or works the best with the Shadow Systems pistols ??


Gen 3 (with adapter) or Gen 4. Run both on them with zero issues primary training gun has a Gen 3 slide with the Gen 4 plug adapter

[Biggy]

So could I get a Glock Gen 4 slide minus the barrel and use the Shadow Systems barrel or use a Glock Gen 5 Marksman barrel in it ?

[JTPHD]

Just put 100 rounds through one. Like others have said, this pistol seems to like to run fast. Easy to get splits in the teens. These guns seem to combine Glock reliability and simplicity with better ergonomics, triggers, and frame texturing. Very impressed with how natural it is to shoot this pistol fast and accurately.

For those with POI issues, the company claims switching out the backstrap (neutral, high, and low) will adjust the elevation.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNWKf3MJ3F8

[G19Fan]

So could I get a Glock Gen 4 slide minus the barrel and use the Shadow Systems barrel or use a Glock Gen 5 Marksman barrel in it ?

Yup that works

[G19Fan]

Just put 100 rounds through one. Like others have said, this pistol seems to like to run fast. Easy to get splits in the teens. These guns seem to combine Glock reliability and simplicity with better ergonomics, triggers, and frame texturing. Very impressed with how natural it is to shoot this pistol fast and accurately.

For those with POI issues, the company claims switching out the backstrap (neutral, high, and low) will adjust the elevation.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNWKf3MJ3F8

May I ask what distance you are shooting and target? Best I can do is splits in the low to mid .20s on 1/2 size ipsc at 10 yards. No idea if that is decent. Fastest I have done a bill drill with all hits on above is 2.84

[JTPHD]

May I ask what distance you are shooting and target? Best I can do is splits in the low to mid .20s on 1/2 size ipsc at 10 yards. No idea if that is decent. Fastest I have done a bill drill with all hits on above is 2.84
7 yards, USPSA A-zone. Shooting mainly doubles to track splits. Nothing spectacular, just wanted to see how fast I could work the trigger and keep it in the A-zone. For reference, I really have to push with a Glock to get around .20 splits at the same distance. This trigger and grip ergos make it easier for me.

[G19Fan]

7 yards, USPSA A-zone. Shooting mainly doubles to track splits. Nothing spectacular, just wanted to see how fast I could work the trigger and keep it in the A-zone. For reference, I really have to push with a Glock to get around .20 splits at the same distance. This trigger and grip ergos make it easier for me.

Thanks. That sounds super fast to me =)

[Tokarev]

Notice anything?

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[DMCutter]

I'll bite. Is that one of the limited edition Acro slides or did you find a magical mounting method for the standard optic cut?

[Tokarev]

I'll bite. Is that one of the limited edition Acro slides or did you find a magical mounting method for the standard optic cut?It is a new XR920 with the dedicated ACRO cut.

The frame also works nicely with a DR920 slide. I like slide over-hang. Anything that makes a Glock look a little like a 1911 is cool in my book.

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[Lon]

It is a new XR920 with the dedicated ACRO cut.

The frame also works nicely with a DR920 slide. I like slide over-hang. Anything that makes a Glock look a little like a 1911 is cool in my book.

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Agreed. Love that look. Thinking about doing something similar w/ my G19.4 and a Brownells G17.4 slide.

[Tokarev]

G19.4 and a Brownells G17.4 slide.

Will that work? I think you're going to need what's called a 19L slide.

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[G19Fan]

It is a new XR920 with the dedicated ACRO cut.

The frame also works nicely with a DR920 slide. I like slide over-hang. Anything that makes a Glock look a little like a 1911 is cool in my book.

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That looks great

[Lon]

Will that work? I think you're going to need what's called a 19L slide.

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My preliminary research makes me think it’s the barrel and not the slide that needs addressed. Using a G17.5 barrel or a Lone Wolf conversion barrel (19L) should take care of that. And then get a LW adapter to fill the gap. If someone knows that’s not right, please let me know.

[Tokarev]

My preliminary research makes me think it’s the barrel and not the slide that needs addressed. Using a G17.5 barrel or a Lone Wolf conversion barrel (19L) should take care of that. And then get a LW adapter to fill the gap. If someone knows that’s not right, please let me know.Yes. Barrels are different. The cam angle is different between 17 and 19 so a new barrel would be needed.

Other options besides LW should be Shadow Systems DR920/MR920L or ZEV Gen 5.



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[Tokarev]

I guess I should have taken pics. But we've all seen disassembled Glocks.

I have 250 rounds through the XR920 and gave it a good clean this afternoon. Interesting that the ACRO slide uses standard extractor stuff rather than the vertical pin that provides extractor tension.

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[js475]

Notice anything?

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How did you get your hands on one of these? I'm not seeing the ACRO cut as an option on Shadow Systems' website.

[Tokarev]

How did you get your hands on one of these? I'm not seeing the ACRO cut as an option on Shadow Systems' website.Presently these are only available through the LE sales program.

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[Tokarev]

Steiner MPS riding on the ACRO mount.

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[G19Fan]

Steiner MPS riding on the ACRO mount.

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Looks great

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[awp_101]

It is a new XR920 with the dedicated ACRO cut.

The frame also works nicely with a DR920 slide.

I haven’t familiarized myself with the Shadow Systems nomenclature. Is the XR basically a G45 and the DR a G17? So one could go between the two? Or maybe even use a 34 slide?

[David S.]

I haven’t familiarized myself with the Shadow Systems nomenclature. Is the XR basically a G45 and the DR a G17?

Correct. Additionally, the MR920 is the G19 height, which can be had in G19 slide length or G17 slide length.

It’s my understanding that the XR, DR and MR are modular with each other.

The DR is their comp’d gun.

The CR is their subcompact.

I don’t know if the DR and CR are modular with other models. I’m guessing not.

[Tokarev]

Correct. Additionally, the MR920 is the G19 height, which can be had in G19 slide length or G17 slide length.

It’s my understanding that the XR, DR and MR are modular with each other.

The DR is their comp’d gun.

The CR is their subcompact.

I don’t know if the DR and CR are modular with other models. I’m guessing not.Yep. DR and MR slides can be swapped but frames cannot. Or they can but the DR dust cover is too long for the MR slide.

The DR920P is the comp model. It is 34 length.

In essence they make three frames. G19, G45, G17. And two slides. A G19 and G19L. The L slide is G17 length but uses a G19 recoil spring. Sort of like a short version of G34.

I'm not sure what the 920P uses for a slide. Probably a G19 length with the addition of the comp to get to 34 overall length.

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[G19Fan]

Correct. Additionally, the MR920 is the G19 height, which can be had in G19 slide length or G17 slide length.

It’s my understanding that the XR, DR and MR are modular with each other.

The DR is their comp’d gun.

The CR is their subcompact.

I don’t know if the DR and CR are modular with other models. I’m guessing not.

CR is not modular with other current models

[Tokarev]

Here's a bit of a look at the DR920P. It does appear to be using a G19 top end/recoil spring assembly.


https://youtu.be/NlFqs-AlOCg

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[Tokarev]

Something I just noticed in my XR920 frame is a coil spring under the slide lock. My DR and MR both have the L-shaped spring as used from Gen 1-4.

I wonder if this is unique to the XR or has it become standard now across the frame models.

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[cornstalker]

I wasn't sure if I should post this in the MR or the DR thread, but since it is about the crossovers I guess it could go either way. Lol.

If I am reading things correctly, I can buy an XR920 and an MR920L then mix and match, creating combos equal to 19,19L,45, and 17. Is that correct?

[Tokarev]

I wasn't sure if I should post this in the MR or the DR thread, but since it is about the crossovers I guess it could go either way. Lol.

If I am reading things correctly, I can buy an XR920 and an MR920L then mix and match, creating combos equal to 19,19L,45, and 17. Is that correct?Yes. That sums it up.



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[Tokarev]

Just because it is Saturday.
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[Tokarev]

If I am reading things correctly, I can buy an XR920 and an MR920L then mix and match, creating combos equal to 19,19L,45, and 17.

DR920 or MR920L slide. XR920 frame. The "1911 overhang" would be the same with an MR920 frame.


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[cornstalker]

Tokarev
I didn't go back through the whole thread. Do the DR920 and MR920L use a G19 length recoil system? If so, how is the recoil pulse/sight tracking compared to a G17?

I picked up an XR920 Combat this week and look forward to completing the set.

[Tokarev]

Tokarev
I didn't go back through the whole thread. Do the DR920 and MR920L use a G19 length recoil system? If so, how is the recoil pulse/sight tracking compared to a G17?

I picked up an XR920 Combat this week and look forward to completing the set.I think the G19 recoil spring across the lines to include the compensated model. Not sure about the CR920.

I'm not sure how the shorter vs longer slides track. I'm don't seem to be super sensitive in this regard. But maybe one of these days I'll set up a few timed/scored drills and see if 1 gun scores out better than the other.
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[reloader550]

How good is the accuracy at 25 yards or more?

[G19Fan]

Accuracy for me has been good

With a red dot not an issue shootings 90+ on a b8 @ 25

It is me screwing up whenever I don't and at worst it is 84+

[Tokarev]

How good is the accuracy at 25 yards or more?The only one of these I've "benched" at 25 yards in my MR918. This is their early original gun and was replaced shortly after introduction with the MR920. Essentially the slide and barrel went unchanged with most of the 918/920 changes being ergonomic changes to the frame.

Anyway, my 918, with decent ammo, seemed to be about a 2.5" gun at this distance. I assume the newer 920 series would be about the same.

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[newyork]

You and Cornstalker are making me really want one of these. I was looking at a 17 or 34 mos but the DR920 is really nice looking as far as price for features.

Any idea when the acro version will be available to us mere mortal civilians?

[Tokarev]

Just finished up a three day instructor development course. Not a ton of rounds fired personally but I did loan out my DR to a couple shooters. 2 in particular. 1 is a current Shadow Sytems owner who wanted to play with gun+dot. The other was running another Glock-type gun and was curious about the Shadow Systems as a whole. Both commented on how well the gun handles with the non-Shadow Systems owner commenting most favorably on grip texture, the built-in beavertail and the trigger guard undercuts.

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[G19Fan]

Just finished up a three day instructor development course. Not a ton of rounds fired personally but I did loan out my DR to a couple shooters. 2 in particular. 1 is a current Shadow Sytems owner who wanted to play with gun+dot. The other was running another Glock-type gun and was curious about the Shadow Systems as a whole. Both commented on how well the gun handles with the non-Shadow Systems owner commenting most favorably on grip texture, the built-in beavertail and the trigger guard undercuts.

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I find my mr920/mr918s have lower recoil than a g19. I also run oem g19 slides on all my mr920/mr918s and the same slide has faster split times on a shadow systems frame vs oem

[Biggy]

I find my mr920/mr918s have lower recoil than a g19. I also run oem g19 slides on all my mr920/mr918s and the same slide has faster split times on a shadow systems frame vs oem

What generation Glock factory OEM slides work best with the MR920 grip frame ? Also, do you use your MR920 barrel in your Glock slides or do you use the SS MR920 barrel in the Glock slide ?

[G19Fan]

What generation Glock factory OEM slides work best with the MR920 grip frame ? Also, do you use your MR920 barrel in your Glock slides or do you use the SS MR920 barrel in the Glock slide ?

Any gen will work gen 3 just get the conversion front.

Gen 4 or gen 5 work aa is

I use all oem glock

[Tokarev]

https://www.gunsandammo.com/editorial/shadow-systems-dr920p-cr920-handguns/459678?utm_source=ALL+SUBSCRIBERS+Shadow+Systems&utm_campaign=6979695a5a-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2020_11_18_02_38_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_1dbb029783-6979695a5a-572842241&goal=0_1dbb029783-6979695a5a-572842241&mc_cid=6979695a5a&mc_eid=73189cdcca

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[fatdog]

I have been very intrigued by this gun, just curious if anybody had run one in carry optics or production. There was an article about the DR920 in the latest USPSA magazine which told me exactly nothing I did not already know. I have a 5moa SRO sitting around that needs a home and I will either use my GSSF coupon and get another G17 and direct mill into that slide or try one of these.

[Tokarev]

I have been very intrigued by this gun, just curious if anybody had run one in carry optics or production. There was an article about the DR920 in the latest USPSA magazine which told me exactly nothing I did not already know. I have a 5moa SRO sitting around that needs a home and I will either use my GSSF coupon and get another G17 and direct mill into that slide or try one of these.

The Humble Marksman has done some stuff with Shadow Systems. You'll probably find more with a quick search.


https://youtu.be/7E-m_pUtRBA

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[HCM]

Anyone have time on the new compensated model, the DR920 P ?

[G19Fan]

Anyone have time on the new compensated model, the DR920 P ?

Tiny amount.

[awdxtc]

Tiny amount.

Do G34 holsters fit it? Id love to get one for use on a chest rig for kayaking and camping

[G19Fan]

Do G34 holsters fit it? Id love to get one for use on a chest rig for kayaking and camping

Buddy says yes depending on holster.

[awdxtc]

Vuddy says yes depending on holster.

Oddly enough i just checked and gunfighters inc doesnt make a light bearing holster for the g34

[Tokarev]

Oddly enough i just checked and gunfighters inc doesnt make a light bearing holster for the g34Blackpoint makes a G34 chest rig

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[fatdog]

Local indoor range just put a DR920 in their rental case and I tried it. Trigger was not racegun light but I was impressed by how crisp and clean it was compared to a box stock G17. I get why people like them.

[Tokarev]

On sale at Aim Surplus currently if anyone is in the market.

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[David S.]

On sale at Aim Surplus currently if anyone is in the market.

Good prices

[backtrail540]

Had the chance to run my friends dr920 for a hundred rounds or so today. He had moved the sro to another gun and so I dialed in the holosun 407c today and ran it through three sets of 20 hits(3x5, 8", and 8" SHO). At the end of the session, during the sho strings, I had the magazines drop out of the gun twice. Odd that it was SHO and not during the two handed shooting.

Not sure if it's my holster, I just happened to not seat the mag twice (though i haven't done that in years but it's possible), I'm somehow hitting it with my middle finger, a worn button/mag, or something else. I didn't stop to examine it but chose to finish the drill. If it becomes a recurring issue more often when I run the gun or he encounters it then I'll inspect it further. I only ran factory glock mags rather than the supplied pmags but they are low round count mags with less than 1k rounds on them.

Otherwise the gun ran fine (except one early lock back but that was the kagwerks release he is running, i find them sensitive and i bump them up on my p80 from time to time as well) and was a joy to shoot. My 3x5 average was 2 flat for a pair, which was better than i've done in the last several attempts. Solid performing gun, shooting wise. I'll be interested to see what becomes of the mag drop issue, if anything, or if it was just a fluke from today.

[G19Fan]

Had the chance to run my friends dr920 for a hundred rounds or so today. He had moved the sro to another gun and so I dialed in the holosun 407c today and ran it through three sets of 20 hits(3x5, 8", and 8" SHO). At the end of the session, during the sho strings, I had the magazines drop out of the gun twice. Odd that it was SHO and not during the two handed shooting.

Not sure if it's my holster, I just happened to not seat the mag twice (though i haven't done that in years but it's possible), I'm somehow hitting it with my middle finger, a worn button/mag, or something else. I didn't stop to examine it but chose to finish the drill. If it becomes a recurring issue more often when I run the gun or he encounters it then I'll inspect it further. I only ran factory glock mags rather than the supplied pmags but they are low round count mags with less than 1k rounds on them.

Otherwise the gun ran fine (except one early lock back but that was the kagwerks release he is running, i find them sensitive and i bump them up on my p80 from time to time as well) and was a joy to shoot. My 3x5 average was 2 flat for a pair, which was better than i've done in the last several attempts. Solid performing gun, shooting wise. I'll be interested to see what becomes of the mag drop issue, if anything, or if it was just a fluke from today.

If he is using stock shadow system mag release it can eat away at glock mags (harder polymer)

I change all of mine to glock oem mag release or vickers

[awdxtc]

Picked up a dr920p the other day, ive got around 300 rounds through it, flawless out of the box and an amazingly flat shooting gun.

[David S.]

I just crossed the 1,000 round mark with my DR920 Combat with a 507c.

No issues after the first hundred round real in period. Feeding feels strong. I can shoot X-ring sized groups (freestyle) at 10 yards when I do my part. Scored a 98 on The Test (two close 9 ringers) with out too much effort.

[Tokarev]

Anyone running the new XR920?

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[HCM]

Has anyone here experienced accuracy issues with shadow systems DR or MR models. ?


Buddy who does local firearms training has recently seen two new shadow systems pistols which displayed serious accuracy issues with multiple ammo types/bullet weights.

[David S.]

The accuracy on mine have been good, but I only have a 1500 rounds through the two of them.

[GJM]

Anyone running the new XR920?

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I have two. I like that they can make my Gen 4 19 slides into a G45 configuration. No problems with them.

[G19Fan]

I have two. I like that they can make my Gen 4 19 slides into a G45 configuration. No problems with them.

I may get one just for this exact setup

[GJM]

I may get one just for this exact setup

90547

[G19Fan]

90547

Nice setup

[cornstalker]

Anyone running the new XR920?

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I have one. It has been flawless, but I am only at 500 rounds on the nose.
I will call out that my MR920, (that I haven't fired yet), has a much better trigger out of the box. Way smoother and lighter. Another illustration of the variable quality that is coming out of Shadow Systems.

[cornstalker]

I took the XR920 apart to try to understand the difference in the trigger quality between it and my MR920. The trigger bar and connector both had burrs that you could snag a fingernail on where they interface on the trigger bar radius. The vertical leg of the bar that engages the FPBS had a burr as well. In the upper, the striker spring cups had burrs or molding slag on the external portion where it rides against the sleeve. I polished the burrs off of the bar and connector, installed a 5# striker spring, and replaced the spring cups. It is easily 60-70% better.

[Tokarev]

Here's something for the Shadow Systems owner who has everything:

https://shadowsystemscorp.com/product/shadow-systems-hawaiian-shirt/?utm_source=ALL+SUBSCRIBERS+Shadow+Systems&utm_campaign=ddcb07f137-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2020_11_18_02_38_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_1dbb029783-ddcb07f137-572842241&goal=0_1dbb029783-ddcb07f137-572842241&mc_cid=ddcb07f137&mc_eid=73189cdcca

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[Tokarev]

Interesting development for those running a Shadow Systems and who want a closed emitter option:

https://chpws.com/search-results/?utm_source=remarkety&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=July%2022nd%20Clearance%20and%20Shado w%20Systems&q=shadow%20systems&_rmId=Mero7rwKNKsbVepGjKrBUORxNw8o7JHnxMb


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[ccmdfd]

Interesting development for those running a Shadow Systems and who want a closed emitter option:

https://chpws.com/search-results/?utm_source=remarkety&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=July%2022nd%20Clearance%20and%20Shado w%20Systems&q=shadow%20systems&_rmId=Mero7rwKNKsbVepGjKrBUORxNw8o7JHnxMb


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Interesting.

Still no options for ACSS 509 models though.

[Tokarev]

I like the 509 option since Shadow Systems is only supporting the ACRO / Steiner currently.

Pre-order placed. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220722/aafd2ce79126e975dda0e004bdb24ec7.jpg

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[DpdG]

There will probably be a DR920P in direct mount Acro/MPS format in my future once it's available. That said- I heard months ago the 509 was already supported via the Holosun RMR adaptor plate and the Shadow screws from the iron site filler plate. What is the preference/impetus for the CHPWS 509 plate? After a poor customer experience I've been avoiding C&H like a $2 hooker advertising that today's services were brought to you by the letter H.

[Tokarev]

There will probably be a DR920P in direct mount Acro/MPS format in my future once it's available. That said- I heard months ago the 509 was already supported via the Holosun RMR adaptor plate and the Shadow screws from the iron site filler plate. What is the preference/impetus for the CHPWS 509 plate? After a poor customer experience I've been avoiding C&H like a $2 hooker advertising that today's services were brought to you by the letter H.CHPWS seems to making a name for itself lately with bad customer service. So much so at this point that I'd not likely send a slide to them for machining.

Rhe Holosun 509 to RMR plate is supposed to work fine. But it also doesn't fit seamlessly to the slide. Does that matter? Probably not.



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[Tokarev]

ASP training guns now available


https://youtu.be/dh73TdHYrug

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[mizer67]

Can someone do me a favor and field strip their pistol and mic. the guide rails for the slide on the frame of their DR920?

I'm looking for an outer to outer dimension for the front and rear. Mine on the DR920 measure .0885" front (WTF) and .0897" rear and would like to provide other Shadow Systems examples to Customer Service. It looks to me like my frame is out of spec.

Every Glock I own is .0902" (+/- .0001) front and rear.

[Lon]

CHPWS seems to making a name for itself lately with bad customer service. So much so at this point that I'd not likely send a slide to them for machining.

Rhe Holosun 509 to RMR plate is supposed to work fine. But it also doesn't fit seamlessly to the slide. Does that matter? Probably not.

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I can tell you I just had a fantastic CS experience w them. Removed a snapped off screw for me free of charge. They even covered return shipping. Timely done as well.

[Tokarev]

Can someone do me a favor and field strip their pistol and mic. the guide rails for the slide on the frame of their DR920?

I'm looking for an outer to outer dimension for the front and rear. Mine on the DR920 measure .0885" front (WTF) and .0897" rear and would like to provide other Shadow Systems examples to Customer Service. It looks to me like my frame is out of spec.

Every Glock I own is .0902" (+/- .0001) front and rear.XR920:

.895 front and rear

DR920:

.889 front .897 rear

MR920:

.898 front and rear

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[HCM]

Interesting.

Still no options for ACSS 509 models though.

Since it’s a primary arms product shouldn’t PA offer or arrange for that.

[backtrail540]

.890 and .895 on the example here

[mizer67]

Thanks for the responses. Seems like these DR920s are all a bit under sized on the rails forward of the locking block.

Mine is having issues with accuracy and binding of the RSA. The loose front slide to frame fit appears contributory.

The barrel to slide fit and lockup on mine is lacking also.

[G19Fan]

Thanks for the responses. Seems like these DR920s are all a bit under sized on the rails forward of the locking block.

Mine is having issues with accuracy and binding of the RSA. The loose front slide to frame fit appears contributory.

The barrel to slide fit and lockup on mine is lacking also.


I love their old guns. It is a shame what has happened to shadow system qc

[mizer67]

I love their old guns. It is a shame what has happened to shadow system qc

I find it hard to understand. This is a simple thing to measure at an incoming or final inspection to ensure you're not putting scatter guns out the door. There's really no excuse for tolerances this loose.

Ignoring the fact that barrel lockup is more important to accuracy and that's also terrible on my example, the 20 thousandths of play in my slide and frame around the front rails (internal slide dimension is 0.905") is worth about a 4" dispersion at 25 yards in isolation given the sight radius.

I've got an 9-10" gun at 25 yards for 10 round groups on my hands unfortunately, as a result of the stacking of all the issues.

[G19Fan]

I find it hard to understand. This is a simple thing to measure at an incoming or final inspection to ensure you're not putting scatter guns out the door. There's really no excuse for tolerances this loose.

Ignoring the fact that barrel lockup is more important to accuracy and that's also terrible on my example, the 20 thousandths of play in my slide and frame around the front rails (internal slide dimension is 0.905") is worth about a 4" dispersion at 25 yards in isolation given the sight radius.

I've got an 9-10" gun at 25 yards for 10 round groups on my hands unfortunately, as a result of the stacking of all the issues.

Thst is nuts. My buddy has a brand new mr920 that jams like my cr920s did. At this stage I don't trust any of their new guns sadly.

If you ever want a older mr920 or mr918 frame with all gen 4 oem glock internals and oem gen 4 slide (cut for 509T) hit me up. All of mine run and are accurate 90+ hat qual at 25. The frame is stippled (which is a deal breaker to some).

I recently moved to the p365xl full time so can sell a few of the mr920s I have since they don't get shot as much now.

[HCM]

I find it hard to understand. This is a simple thing to measure at an incoming or final inspection to ensure you're not putting scatter guns out the door. There's really no excuse for tolerances this loose.

Ignoring the fact that barrel lockup is more important to accuracy and that's also terrible on my example, the 20 thousandths of play in my slide and frame around the front rails (internal slide dimension is 0.905") is worth about a 4" dispersion at 25 yards in isolation given the sight radius.

I've got an 9-10" gun at 25 yards for 10 round groups on my hands unfortunately, as a result of the stacking of all the issues.

Interesting- thank you.

I asked up thread if anyone had accuracy issues with the Shadow Systems pistols.

A friend and some of their employees recently did a group buy of Shadow systems DR920s which exhibited significant accuracy issues like you describe. Guns were shot with quality factory ammo. Then re-shot by known “good” shooters, one of whom is a local instructor and a USPSA GM. Same results. The guns were sent back to Shadow systems who insisted they shot them and said there was nothing wrong with the guns. They did not provide any photos, video or targets - just the usual “meets spec” BS. Shadow systems basically said tough shit - you and your friends don’t know how to shoot.

Makes me sad as I really wanted a DR920P.

[mizer67]

Interesting- thank you.

I asked up thread if anyone had accuracy issues with the Shadow Systems pistols.

A friend and some of their employees recently did a group buy of Shadow systems DR920s which exhibited significant accuracy issues like you describe. Guns were shot with quality factory ammo. Then re-shot by known “good” shooters, one of whom is a local instructor and a USPSA GM. Same results. The guns were sent back to Shadow systems who insisted they shot them and said there was nothing wrong with the guns. They did not provide any photos, video or targets - just the usual “meets spec” BS. Shadow systems basically said tough shit - you and your friends don’t know how to shoot.

Makes me sad as I really wanted a DR920P.

I fell back on a known good load when I started seeing issues w/my regular practice ammo - Atlanta Arms Elite 124 gr jhps, given their 1.5" at 50 yd accuracy claim. It didn't make any noticeable difference vs. my practice load.

The Holosun 507 with the ACSS triangle makes it pretty easy to be extremely precise and repeatable w/POA vs. irons w/my DR920.

I'm pretty sure I'm going to get the runaround from Shadow Systems too. That is, if they ever decide to respond to my request for repair or replacement.

[ChknLivrNWsky]

Does anyone know if there's a known serial number range of when these qc issues started popping up? I have a newly purchased MR920 that's only had a little over 100 rds through it so far, but no issues at all yet. I'm wondering if I maybe got one that was New Old Stock or if I just got lucky.

It is entirely possible that I might have problems come up, but it seems from what I read here the issues show up immediately.

[fatdog]

I may have been lucky as well. Got mine back during the big AIM sale around Memorial Day. Well over 1.5K rounds, zero problems, as accurate in my hands as a gen 5 G17, currently has a 407CO atop it and I really like mine. I will take lucky. But sounds like I will decide never to buy another one.

[HCM]

Does anyone know if there's a known serial number range of when these qc issues started popping up? I have a newly purchased MR920 that's only had a little over 100 rds through it so far, but no issues at all yet. I'm wondering if I maybe got one that was New Old Stock or if I just got lucky.

It is entirely possible that I might have problems come up, but it seems from what I read here the issues show up immediately.

With my friends issues was apparent immediately. Guns were purchased late June-ish 2022.

[GJM]

I have one MR920 and two XR920 pistols that seem fine. Anecdotally, it seems the original design MR920 pistols are OK (and the XR is a full grip MR like a G45). I have heard of frequent problems with the DR920, and the new small pistol seems to suffer from new pistol problems.

Until and unless things improve, I don't see buying a new Shadow in any model.

[Andy T]

What would be a good distance to test for accuracy? Is it something like 10 rounds at 25 yards? What is considered a "good" group (MOA equivalent to a rifle)?

[mizer67]

My issue was immediately apparent. Enough that after the first range session, I started testing for accuracy.

I use 25 yards and shoot 10-round groups, which to me is enough to get reliable information about the gun + ammo. 25 yards is long enough for issues to show up but short enough to see hits and get a highly repeatable point of aim. Plus, 25 yards is easily accessible where I am.

I generally won't waste my time with a gun that can't do <4" repeatable 10-round groups at 25 yards (benched), and I'd prefer <= ~2 - 2.5". Offhand, I know I'm going to add some wobble area to that mix, so mechanical accuracy needs to ensure I can get reliable hits when factoring in shooter error.

[Andy T]

My issue was immediately apparent. Enough that after the first range session, I started testing for accuracy.

I use 25 yards and shoot 10-round groups, which to me is enough to get reliable information about the gun + ammo. 25 yards is long enough for issues to show up but short enough to see hits and get a highly repeatable point of aim. Plus, 25 yards is easily accessible where I am.

I generally won't waste my time with a gun that can't do <4" repeatable 10-round groups at 25 yards (benched), and I'd prefer <= ~2 - 2.5". Offhand, I know I'm going to add some wobble area to that mix, so mechanical accuracy needs to ensure I can get reliable hits when factoring in shooter error.

Is the sub 4" group expected with plinking brass ammo?

[G19Fan]

What would be a good distance to test for accuracy? Is it something like 10 rounds at 25 yards? What is considered a "good" group (MOA equivalent to a rifle)?


10 rounds at 25 yards offhand. 90+ on b8 for me

[G19Fan]

The p365xls I have smoke my glocks in 25+ yard offhand accuracy. That said all my glocks are G19, gen 4 and down

[G19Fan]

My issue was immediately apparent. Enough that after the first range session, I started testing for accuracy.

I use 25 yards and shoot 10-round groups, which to me is enough to get reliable information about the gun + ammo. 25 yards is long enough for issues to show up but short enough to see hits and get a highly repeatable point of aim. Plus, 25 yards is easily accessible where I am.

I generally won't waste my time with a gun that can't do <4" repeatable 10-round groups at 25 yards (benched), and I'd prefer <= ~2 - 2.5". Offhand, I know I'm going to add some wobble area to that mix, so mechanical accuracy needs to ensure I can get reliable hits when factoring in shooter error.

Agreed but without the bench rest.

If offhand a gun can't do 90+ on a b8 at 25 I have no use for it.

I think I have a real shot of hitting a 100 with a P365xl. My closest was 98 so far.

[mizer67]

Agreed but without the bench rest.

If offhand a gun can't do 90+ on a b8 at 25 I have no use for it.

I think I have a real shot of hitting a 100 with a P365xl. My closest was 98 so far.

I'm with you. The only time I shoot benched is to test a load or a pistol.