Brownells introducing a 1-8X MPO!

[LittleLebowski]

Here (https://www.avantlink.com/click.php?tt=ml&ti=920649&pw=252061). SFP, which is fine for low magnification scopes. Japanese made. Outstanding pricepoint at $800.


Flushing out the line of Match Precision Optics (MPO) is the 1-8x24mm. Similar to the rest of the MPO line, these LPVOs are manufactured in Japan and feature the high quality optics you've come to expect from the MPO line. Fully multi-coated, edge-blackened ED Glass lenses offers great clarity and light transmission. Featuring matched MRAD reticles and turrets.

30mm Main Tube
Low profile capped turrets
Fogproof and waterproof
Illuminated CQ-NOMR second focal plane reticle
ED Lenses

The 1-8x magnification range takes over where a standard red dot leaves off, giving you fast target acquisition at 1x with the ability to max out the magnification to 8 power to take those longer shots. Maximize the utility of your AR platform rifle.

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[Nephrology]

Oooh this is tempting.

[LittleLebowski]

Oooh this is tempting.
I’ve been very pleased with my 5-25 MPO, I’ve got two now.

[Nephrology]

I’ve been very pleased with my 5-25 MPO, I’ve got two now.

My fun budget is tapped for now but I may revisit this later. Have a Viper PST 2 1-6 that I like but could stand to be improved on a 16" w/ bipod. This would be the perfect replacement.

[Suvorov]

Eager to see how this pans out. I have a Strike Eagle that I bought as a “proof of concept “ placeholder but wouldn’t mind upgrading to something a little better. I’m hoping that they can get sufficient brightness in the illumination to allow it to be used as a red dot at low power, which is something lacking in most of the lower priced LPVOs I’ve looked at, especially 2nd plane optics.

[Clusterfrack]

SFP. 8x. Fail.

[Suvorov]

SFP. 8x. Fail.

Out of ignorance - why?

[Clusterfrack]

Out of ignorance - why?

The reticle is only scaled at full 8x. With a 1-4, maybe you’re ok to dial all the way up to use elevation and wind holds. But for a 1-8x that’s too limiting IMO. Add to that the optical tradeoffs of a 8x zoom, and it looks like a fail to me, without even looking through it.

[LittleLebowski]

The reticle is only scaled at full 8x. With a 1-4, maybe you’re ok to dial all the way up to use elevation and wind holds. But for a 1-8x that’s too limiting IMO. Add to that the optical tradeoffs of a 8x zoom, and it looks like a fail to me, without even looking through it.

What Clusterfrack is trying to say...

https://www.brownells.com/optics-mounting/scopes/rifle-scopes/razor-gen-iii-1-10x24mm-rifle-scope-prod133925.aspx

[littlejerry]

Im digging the reticle. I could do without the top stadia for more of a #4 vibe, but I'm happy it's just mills and I like the double line. Reminds me of the hollow NF Mil Dot reticle.

SFP isn't necessarily a deal breaker for me. My current 1-6.5 is SFP and doesn't bother me. Only time I'm cranking to max is past 300 yards, and up to 300 I don't need a calibrated BDC anyways.

The killer for me is the weight. I'd rather have a <20oz 1-6 than add 6oz for another 2x mag.

[SecondsCount]

SFP. 8x. Fail.

I agree, and would rather have FFP past 4X, but for the price point and quality, it looks like a nice scope.

[fatdog]

My eyes are no longer good enough to see any detail on FFP reticles cranked all the way up so everything has to be SFP for me now.

Since I range with a laser and spin turrets in my use cases for these things it no longer matters. Seeing the detail provided by 8X is a lot more useful to me than 4X so I plan to get one of these and displace a Steiner. For folks using these to range things, and not uncapping/spinning the turrets at distances beyond rule of thumb holdover estimates, I understand why FFP is essential.

[SecondsCount]

My eyes are no longer good enough to see any detail on FFP reticles cranked all the way up so everything has to be SFP for me now.

Since I range with a laser and spin turrets in my use cases for these things it no longer matters. Seeing the detail provided by 8X is a lot more useful to me than 4X so I plan to get one of these and displace a Steiner. For folks using these to range things, and not uncapping/spinning the turrets at distances beyond rule of thumb holdover estimates, I understand why FFP is essential.

Cranked all the way to 8X, the reticle will be at it's largest magnification on an FFP scope.

[fatdog]

Cranked all the way to 8X, the reticle will be at it's largest magnification on an FFP scope.

Right and when it is cranked down, the way I carry a rifle it is too fine for me to see clearly

[BWT]

Right and when it is cranked down, the way I carry a rifle it is too fine for me to see clearly

Honestly that’s where the cleverness of a reticle mixed with a red dot / illumination comes in to play.

I’m excited to see these optics getting down to Aimpoint T2 prices.

I’m a fence sitter and this has been out of my grasp financially most of my life. But, these LPVO’s and what LPVO’s bring to the table is getting my interest.

I’m slowly being attracted to an Geissele 11.5” upper with close tined war comp being super accurate and an LPVO being an answer.

Man, put a SOCOM RC2 on it and that’s really appealing. It’s about a 4K package. But, that’s a good do-all.

Lort. It’s getting scary for my future wallet out there.

[littlejerry]

Honestly that’s where the cleverness of a reticle mixed with a red dot / illumination comes in to play.

I’m excited to see these optics getting down to Aimpoint T2 prices.

I’m a fence sitter and this has been out of my grasp financially most of my life. But, these LPVO’s and what LPVO’s bring to the table is getting my interest.

I’m slowly being attracted to an Geissele 11.5” upper with close tined war comp being super accurate and an LPVO being an answer.

Man, put a SOCOM RC2 on it and that’s really appealing. It’s about a 4K package. But, that’s a good do-all.

Lort. It’s getting scary for my future wallet out there.

The illumination usually isn't aimpoint bright, and it never has Aimpoint battery life.

A SFP 1-4 or 6x still accomplishes a lot even without a daylight bright reticle.

[Wake27]

6x is the highest worth doing in SFP IMO. Nothing last that or heavier than a Gen II Viper gets my interest. I just want Vortex to come out with a 1-4 that’s the size and weight of the P4Xi but with all of the slight improvements of the Razor. I could deal with a lightweight Razor capping out at 4x for the mini recce while using the 1-10 on a longer gun.


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[Coyote41]

I can’t find the weight for this thing. I do agree that 1-8 SFP doesn’t make a lot of sense unless they can keep the weight under 14 oz. I can almost get behind SFP scopes if the weight good (Leupold had a 3-9 SFP around 14 oz iirc). Otherwise, if it’s going to be heavy, it’d better be FFP. Trijicon now has a 1-6 FFP at a lower weight than the Viper PST 1-6, which I have come to like quite a bit.


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[idahojess]

Looks like it is 24.8 ounces.

[SteveB]

The reticle is only scaled at full 8x. With a 1-4, maybe you’re ok to dial all the way up to use elevation and wind holds. But for a 1-8x that’s too limiting IMO. Add to that the optical tradeoffs of a 8x zoom, and it looks like a fail to me, without even looking through it.

I would love for someone to explain this to me. Seems to me that the only time I need to use elevation holds is at max power. Admittedly, most of my rifle shooting these days is hunting. When I hunted in Connecticut, I mostly used a 2.5-8X which I carried through the woods set on 2.5X. If I got a long shot, I’d spin it up to 8X. Most of my hunting these days is with a 300WM, 180 grain bullet at 2900 fps and a 2-12X, SFP scope. The subtensions on the factory reticle line up great with this load. Since I’m zeroed at 200, I can’t see why I’d ever need elevation holds under 300 yards, and if I’m shooting at 200+, I’m at 12X anyway. Here’s what this looks like at 300:

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So, for the 1-8X scope discussed here, why would you need elevation holds under 8X? I know when I shot 3-gun, with a 1-6X, sometimes I’d shoot a target at 4X, but not at a distance where I needed elevation holds. I guess FFP might appeal to the PRS crowd, but for an LPVO, I don’t get it.

[Clusterfrack]

This question comes up periodically. It all depends on your needs. Here are some reasons I don't always dial my Mk.6 1-6x up to 6x for targets that require elevation and wind holds:

1. Field of view. Finding the target in a complex background, acquiring the next target, and tracking/holding a moving target become compromised as magnification increases. I choose the minimum magnification needed to get a precise hit, and often that's around 4x.

2. Milling misses. This is especially important if there's a lot of wind. I've done this at 1x. Of course you can Kentucky your wind hold, but I'd rather see that I need an exact offset and be able to use that at other targets and other magnifications.

3. Optics get worse at the high end of a scope's zoom. Awkward and dynamic positions are so much easier if the eye box is more forgiving. As well, low light shooting is often better done at lower mag.

The 1x/4x Elcan Specter is a great optic and you can switch back and forth very quickly. But for 6x> optics, I want a continuous zoom scope that I can use across the entire range.


I would love for someone to explain this to me. Seems to me that the only time I need to use elevation holds is at max power. Admittedly, most of my rifle shooting these days is hunting. When I hunted in Connecticut, I mostly used a 2.5-8X which I carried through the woods set on 2.5X. If I got a long shot, I’d spin it up to 8X. Most of my hunting these days is with a 300WM, 180 grain bullet at 2900 fps and a 2-12X, SFP scope. The subtensions on the factory reticle line up great with this load. Since I’m zeroed at 200, I can’t see why I’d ever need elevation holds under 300 yards, and if I’m shooting at 200+, I’m at 12X anyway. Here’s what this looks like at 300:

So, for the 1-8X scope discussed here, why would you need elevation holds under 8X? I know when I shot 3-gun, with a 1-6X, sometimes I’d shoot a target at 4X, but not at a distance where I needed elevation holds. I guess FFP might appeal to the PRS crowd, but for an LPVO, I don’t get it.