Lucas Gun Oil > MPro7...I think

[Matt_J]

I've been using MPRO7 (https://www.amazon.com/Prom-Hoppes-M-Pro-Ounce-Bottle/dp/B0031D0G4I/ref=sr_1_2?crid=1FD286O51POEE&dchild=1&keywords=mpro+7+gun+oil&qid=1610984013&sprefix=mpro%2Caps%2C159&sr=8-2) for years and it's what I've used the most. The only problem I've had with it is it taking some of the finish off of a wood SKS stock, nothing I couldn't fix. Afterall, it's meant to take moisture out.

I bought a little 1oz bottle of Lucas Extreme Duty Gun Oil (https://www.amazon.com/Lucas-Oil-10870-Extreme-Ounce/dp/B01D06TFFQ/ref=sr_1_17?crid=266L1GF5N8N4D&dchild=1&keywords=lucas+gun+oil&qid=1610983968&sprefix=lucas+gun%2Caps%2C159&sr=8-17), cleaned and oiled my Glock 43, and two weeks later I took it apart and none of the oil has evaporated, it was all still there. I think the Mpro7 doesn't stick around as long and things dry up after a couple of weeks, maybe except for the barrel because I put it on a little thicker.

So this is my observation: that the Lucas lasts longer than the Mpro7. It's a little more expensive though, I think it was $5 for 1oz vs $10 for 4oz for the Mpro7. They're both great, but I think the Lucas might be better.

[Clusterfrack]

I have used Lucas Extreme oil and Marine grease (https://www.amazon.com/Lucas-Oil-10320-Marine-Cartridge/dp/B005973H5Y/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2ZX790JGGCT6X&dchild=1&keywords=lucas+marine+grease&qid=1612276868&sprefix=Lucas+marine%2Caps%2C172&sr=8-1) with good success in my practice and match CZs. It seems to reduce wear better than anything I have used. I even got over 25k rounds out of one slide stop.

Works great in ARs too.

I prefer Weaponshield for precision rifles though.

[flyrodr]

I've tried a bunch of lubes over the years. No quantitative testing or data, but have standardized on the Lucas Extreme, primarily because it works, it stays there and "is there" (after considerable storage time).

[Matt_J]

I used Mpro7 when putting it back together about a week ago and it's still visible, no surprises there. Thanks for the wisdom, that's a lot of rounds to shoot! The construction of the bottle is something Lucas did better as well.

[UNM1136]

Motorkote (https://www.amazon.com/Motorkote-MK-30301-6-Purpose-Lubricant-12-Ounce/dp/B002MCVGB6/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=Motorkote&qid=1612276816&sr=8-3) is my new hotness. My quart of synthetic ATF ran out a couple years ago, and Motorkote was what I had.

I like it on pistols and rifles.

Lucas would be my next choice, then Slip2000.

pat

[Matt_J]

2 weeks and the Mpro7 is still visible.

[Steve m]

How is the Lucas holding up on everyone's weapons, I bought two bottles for my glocks, seems to stay in place a little better than Slip 2000 EWL. From my non-scientific dry firing practice and shooting seems to be a little more smoother action than the Slip.

Thanks
Steve

[Phred]

I’ve been using the Lucas Extreme gun oil for about two years now. It’s worked really well for me, and is my go to oil for Glocks and ARs. I haven’t tried the gun specific grease, but I have used their marine grease for a few different applications, and have been pleased with it as well.

[vcdgrips]

I am fairly agnostic re lubes after seeing how any in spec AR will run with any lube if there is enough of it in the right places as per Pat Rogers (RIP)

Myself, and 2 or 3 others used red "lucas gun oil" our buddy/auto shop owner had been comped by the lucas rep for the 3 day Rogers class.

I cleaned my rifle the night before the class, lithium bearing grease on the bolt, the lucas on the charging handle. Topped off the bolt with lucas at lunch and in the am the next 2 days with no issues at all.

[RevolverRob]

Still using the same 4 ounce bottle of 100 viscosity Super Lube - https://www.amazon.com/Super-Lube-56104-Silicone-Clear/dp/B00OBV1JC2/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=super+lube+silicone+oil&qid=1613773655&sr=8-1 - That I've been using for the past four years.

My preference for firearms, knives, and anything I own that may come into contact with heat/food/my mouth/etc. Is to use a lubricant that is FDA approved for incidental food contact and doesn't produce toxins when heated. I mean, silicone oil might produce toxic fumes when it is set on fire, but the flash point is 572ºF - so unless you're shooting your gun after taking it out of the broiler, you won't likely have a problem.

[P.E. Kelley]

Not that you asked, but I think "gun oil" is all BS.

I have used just about everything and it all works. 3in1 oil was the only one I would not use again (gums up)

Anymore I just use Mobile One 5-20...and do not be afraid to LUBE. More is always better than none.
And more than "just right" is don't hurt. In other words err on the wet side.

I am a lazy enduser, I lube, shoot and repeat till I feel guilty enough to clean...and if I have match or the
guilt passes, I just lube and shoot.

Ran cast bullet's in a 1911 heavy slide WadGun for a full season without cleaning, but lubed every match...my guns run.
I do the same with my 3 gun gear.

Grease with anything that sticks for hammer / sear. Royal Purple (the grease gun cartridge) is my current default.

[vcdgrips]

Mobil 1-Good enough for Porsche at LeMans on an engine turning 8000+RPM, good enough for me on my Glock/1911/AR.

[orionz06]

Not that you asked, but I think "gun oil" is all BS.

I have used just about everything and it all works. 3in1 oil was the only one I would not use again (gums up)

Anymore I just use Mobile One 5-20...and do not be afraid to LUBE. More is always better than none.
And more than "just right" is don't hurt. In other words err on the wet side.

I am a lazy enduser, I lube, shoot and repeat till I feel guilty enough to clean...and if I have match or the
guilt passes, I just lube and shoot.

Ran cast bullet's in a 1911 heavy slide WadGun for a full season without cleaning, but lubed every match...my guns run.
I do the same with my 3 gun gear.

Grease with anything that sticks for hammer / sear. Royal Purple (the grease gun cartridge) is my current default.

BS, no, but it does highlight how easy of a problem guns are to lube. The fact that so many sell grease though, tells us that they don't fully understand things.

[seamastersw]

Slip 2000 ewl, G96 synthetic CLP, and weaponshield for me. Glock connectors feel smoother with these oils than they do with Lucas or mpro7. Personally, I was never really impressed with Mpro7 lpx or the cleaner.

[KEW8338]

BS, no, but it does highlight how easy of a problem guns are to lube. The fact that so many sell grease though, tells us that they don't fully understand things.

Meaning grease doesn't work?

If so. I have to disagree on that

[orionz06]

Meaning grease doesn't work?

If so. I have to disagree on that

Works and works well are vastly different, especially when there's so little demands placed on a lube.

[KEW8338]

Works and works well are vastly different, especially when there's so little demands placed on a lube.

I'd have to go with grease works significantly better than oil.

Having done side by side tests for thousands of rounds where:

Tw25b
Lucas grease
Clp
Slip
Mpro

Were used side by side on high demand systems (machine guns) and traditional rifles.

I'll choose a grease

[orionz06]

I'd have to go with grease works significantly better than oil.

Having done side by side tests for thousands of rounds where:

Tw25b
Lucas grease
Clp
Slip
Mpro

Were used side by side on high demand systems (machine guns) and traditional rifles.

I'll choose a grease

Can you quantify better?

[KEW8338]

Can you quantify better?

I do not have statistical or more quantifiable information readily at hand.

[Duces Tecum]

On the other hand, some firearms don't do well with grease.

Source: https://www.wilsoncombat.com/faqs/
(Scroll through to the section regarding lubricants and 9mm pistols)

Quote: Use plenty of lubrication during break in and thereafter. We find that most service issues are caused by under lubricating or too-heavy viscosity lubricant in 9mm pistols. . . NEVER Use any Form of Grease on a 9mm Pistol!
(Emphasis mine)

[JBP55]

I clean with Weapon Shield.
I use Mobil 1 20W50 VTWIN oil.
I use Slip 2000 EWG grease.
Ed's Red is a good lubricant.

[orionz06]

On the other hand, some firearms don't do well with grease.

It generally causes more problems than it solves, and doesn't usually solve any actual problem, merely creates more. Again though, it works because the lubrication problem isn't that hard. Oil is just by and far, so much easier. That said, years of works for me is hard to overcome, so oh well.

[KEW8338]

It generally causes more problems than it solves, and doesn't usually solve any actual problem, merely creates more. Again though, it works because the lubrication problem isn't that hard. Oil is just by and far, so much easier. That said, years of works for me is hard to overcome, so oh well.

Care to elaborate ?

[Archer1440]

Car boards, motorcycle boards and gun boards all have one thing in common...


And this thread is it.

[LittleLebowski]

Care to elaborate ?

Grease is oil with added thickeners.

[KEW8338]

Grease is oil with added thickeners.

This causes more issues how?

[LittleLebowski]

This causes more issues how?

The oil dries up and/or migrates, leaving the thickeners in place. Not a huge concern, but it does happen. Not to mention reduced cold weather performance.

[LittleLebowski]

The oil dries up and/or migrates, leaving the thickeners in place. Not a huge concern, but it does happen. Not to mention reduced cold weather performance.

Of course, not really a concern or as much of a concern in warmer environments. As always, there is no black and white, only shades of gray. Make an informed choice, be ready to change if needed.

[Super77]

Grease in an AR is a hard no, it’s associated with stoppages even in hot environments. I tested some personally in a hot/humid env’t and had a lot of FTF. Went back to oil and no problems.

I’ve done a bunch of high round count days with Slip2000 EWL (https://www.amazon.com/Slip2000-60351-Slip-2000-EWL30/dp/B0064V8J8E/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=slip2000+ewl30&qid=1614723465&sr=8-1). I use the heavier stuff, “30” I think. I’ve been using it for years. It does a good job of staying put, lubricates well, and doesn’t smell bad like motor oil. I haven’t tried everything, there might be better stuff out there, but the EWL has exceeded my expecations.

[LittleLebowski]

Grease in an AR is a hard no, it’s associated with stoppages even in hot environments. I tested some personally in a hot/humid env’t and had a lot of FTF. Went back to oil and no problems.

I’ve done a bunch of high round count days with Slip2000 EWL (https://www.amazon.com/Slip2000-60351-Slip-2000-EWL30/dp/B0064V8J8E/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=slip2000+ewl30&qid=1614723465&sr=8-1). I use the heavier stuff, “30” I think. I’ve been using it for years. It does a good job of staying put, lubricates well, and doesn’t smell bad like motor oil. I haven’t tried everything, there might be better stuff out there, but the EWL has exceeded my expecations.

I agree, I’d rather run thicker oil than grease and Slip2000 EWL30 (https://www.amazon.com/Slip2000-60351-Slip-2000-EWL30/dp/B0064V8J8E/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=slip2000+ewl30&qid=1614723465&sr=8-1) is good stuff.

[Spartan1980]

As always, there is no black and white, only shades of gray. Make an informed choice, be ready to change if needed.

Totally agree. Most people don't realize that grease comes in different viscosities just like oil does. Just about anything you can commonly buy at the WalMart or auto parts house is NLGI #2 wheel bearing grease. They are mostly too thick for use on guns except for M1 Garands and the M14/M1A which require it. NLGI #1 or #0 grease is much better being very soft to semi fluid but you have to hunt for those. They work much better on firearms. I've been using a light synthetic grease on all my autos for awhile now including all lube points on my AR with great results. My new hotness is Redline assembly lube but the grease that Liberty lubricants sells works pretty well too. Don't tump over the can on the Redline, it'll spill all over your bench. Doesn't get really cold where I'm at as long as we exclude last month. It's definitely synthetic oil or even dry for really cold conditions.

[orionz06]

Car boards, motorcycle boards and gun boards all have one thing in common...


And this thread is it.

At least the car and bike boards are generally in the ballpark and they're just arguing over brands.


Care to elaborate ?

This causes more issues how?
As LL said, grease IS oil, with extra stuff. Grease will only be where you put it, oil can migrate around. Folks will get assed up and say it migrates away, but it's not like it flat out disappears. You can't add more grease without cleaning first. This is the biggest one, IMHO. I can add oil as needed and keep on keepin' on. If I use grease, I gotta do a teardown, get what's left of the soap out, and then start over. The other part is that oils do burn off. The oils in grease do too, leaving the soap. Grease will slow guns down. Grease in cold or humid environments can really slow things down, hell, some oils can really slow things down in the same environments (Frog Lube). Then there's the idea of storage... People want some magical lube that will allow the storage of a racked rifle for five years so you can yank it off the shelf and go. Not happening. Migration happens in grease too. The difference is that the greased gun will need cleaned and relubed before use, an oiled and stored gun can be treated like your first car, add oil and go.

All that said, keeping guns running isn't hard, hence why so much stuff happens to work. Lots of folks are reading this and shaking their fist saying that their grease works wonders, and their experiences are probably right. Doesn't mean they're optimal though, and that's generally what we do here, give ourselves the best chances.



Grease in an AR is a hard no, it’s associated with stoppages even in hot environments. I tested some personally in a hot/humid env’t and had a lot of FTF. Went back to oil and no problems.

I’ve done a bunch of high round count days with Slip2000 EWL (https://www.amazon.com/Slip2000-60351-Slip-2000-EWL30/dp/B0064V8J8E/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=slip2000+ewl30&qid=1614723465&sr=8-1). I use the heavier stuff, “30” I think. I’ve been using it for years. It does a good job of staying put, lubricates well, and doesn’t smell bad like motor oil. I haven’t tried everything, there might be better stuff out there, but the EWL has exceeded my expecations.

Yeah, more folks should just find the free bottles of Slip that are out there and rock on.

[Archer1440]

Sees all the posts condemning the use of grease.

Looks inside my P30’s, USP’s and VP9’s, as well as P320’s, P365’s, P226’s and P229’s...as well as all my Geissele trigger assemblies...

...All of which came with grease in specific areas and oil in other areas, directly from the factory.

In all seriousness, “grease what slides” and “oil what rotates” has been 100% functional for me over the past 30 years in temperatures between -20 and +120 and I see no reason to second guess the engineers in Oberndorf. I use the SLIP2000 EWL grease on sears, locking blocks and rails, and the SLIP liquid on other areas. Back in the 90’s I used the white TW25B grease on custom 1911’s as recommended by the manufacturers, and Lucas grease and oil on some items (back when SIG included samples with pistols).

Even Glocks came with an anti-seize copper grease on the rail tabs for years. Maybe they still do.

I have yet to have any kind of lubrication related malfunction- ever. And I use an appropriate grease on what slides and oil on what rotates.

Carry on. I’ll throw a bag of popcorn into the microwave and come back later.

[orionz06]

I have yet to have any kind of lubrication related malfunction- ever.

Right. Because guns aren't that damned hard to keep working.

[blues]

Some things never change...I guess there's something to be said for tradition.

Personally, I generally go with EWL (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0064V8J8E/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B0064V8J8E&linkCode=as2&tag=ratio07-20) or similar synthetic lubricant...but have been known to use a sparing amount of synthetic grease on rare occasions.

https://cdn.cloudflare.steamstatic.com/steam/apps/1208830/header.jpg?t=1584833436

[LittleLebowski]

Sees all the posts condemning the use of grease.

Looks inside my P30’s, USP’s and VP9’s, as well as P320’s, P365’s, P226’s and P229’s...as well as all my Geissele trigger assemblies...

...All of which came with grease in specific areas and oil in other areas, directly from the factory.

In all seriousness, “grease what slides” and “oil what rotates” has been 100% functional for me over the past 30 years in temperatures between -20 and +120 and I see no reason to second guess the engineers in Oberndorf. I use the SLIP2000 EWL grease on sears, locking blocks and rails, and the SLIP liquid on other areas. Back in the 90’s I used the white TW25B grease on custom 1911’s as recommended by the manufacturers, and Lucas grease and oil on some items (back when SIG included samples with pistols).

Even Glocks came with an anti-seize copper grease on the rail tabs for years. Maybe they still do.

I have yet to have any kind of lubrication related malfunction- ever. And I use an appropriate grease on what slides and oil on what rotates.

Carry on. I’ll throw a bag of popcorn into the microwave and come back later.

If it works for you, I'm not going to lose sleep over it and I doubt that anyone else here is either. There's no need to declare drama where there isn't any.

[Casual Friday]

"I don't care if you use oil, grease, or Vagisil, just keep the damn thing lubed."-LAV 2011

Only lube I had problems with was Frog lube. I didn't follow the 798 step application process and locked it up the bolt overnight.

I've been using the Slip2000 EWL30 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0064V8J8E/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B0064V8J8E&linkCode=as2&tag=ratio07-20) that LL linked to for a while and it works well with my lube, shoot and forget it protocol.

[orionz06]

Only lube I had problems with was Frog lube. I didn't follow the 798 step application process and locked it up the bolt overnight.


Their "process" was bullshit though and wouldn't have changed a thing.

[Archer1440]

"I don't care if you use oil, grease, or Vagisil, just keep the damn thing lubed."-LAV 2011


First time I heard that quote was from Pat Rogers in 2002. He may or may not have been first with it, but it sure left an impression at the time.

[LittleLebowski]

First time I heard that quote was from Pat Rogers in 2002. He may or may not have been first with it, but it sure left an impression at the time.

I'm pretty sure that Pat was first with the Vagisil thing at classes.

[TGS]

Grease in an AR is a hard no, it’s associated with stoppages even in hot environments. I tested some personally in a hot/humid env’t and had a lot of FTF. Went back to oil and no problems.

Have you tried the Slip 2000 grease with ARs?



Only lube I had problems with was Frog lube.

yaaasss. That stuff is hot garbage.

One more I'll add is Rem-Oil. That stuff made my Glock feel crunchy, took a week of cleaning to get it all out and replace with my preferred Slip 2000/EWL30 (like many here). It's what was available at the work range one day when I qualified, and since that experience I simply choose to leave my gun dirty until I get home unless they have Slip 2000.

[Archer1440]

I'm pretty sure that Pat was first with the Vagisil thing at classes.

I believe that as well, but one never knows who was actually “first”... so I left it open. In my mind that is a Pat Rogers quote, along with a lot of other things I learned from him over the years. (Never did earn an MC patch, though...)

[Casual Friday]

First time I heard that quote was from Pat Rogers in 2002. He may or may not have been first with it, but it sure left an impression at the time.


I'm pretty sure that Pat was first with the Vagisil thing at classes.

I have no idea on the origin and it's quite possible that LAV credited Pat when he said it but I'm not 100%, that's been almost a decade now. I know it came about in this instance after a student's Glock started having issues and LAV discovered it was bone dry and he used it as a teaching point.


yaaasss. That stuff is hot garbage.

One more I'll add is Rem-Oil. That stuff made my Glock feel crunchy, took a week of cleaning to get it all out and replace with my preferred Slip 2000/EWL30 (like many here). It's what was available at the work range one day when I qualified, and since that experience I simply choose to leave my gun dirty until I get home unless they have Slip 2000.

The only thing I've used Rem-Oil on in the last decade are my Dad's old guns. I wipe them with Rem-Oil to keep the rust away.

One that I kinda forgot about is the ALG Go Juice. My last Geissele order was a rail and a trigger and they threw in a 4 oz bottle. It seemed to work well as a lube but man I couldn't get over the smell. It smelled like burnt crayons while you're shooting and the smell lingers around inside the gun.

[Steve m]

Another very unscientific test. I took my new G19 MOS with Holosun (First Shots) to the range past weekend to zero optic and do general drills. I lubed the pistol up with the Lucas Extreme duty gun oil vs my regular Slip 200O ewl. The pistol felt to me very smooth when cycling the slide. I put approx 350 rds through it (115grn FMJ and Speer Gold dot). Upon cleaning at home the pistol still had the Lucas present and was easy to clean. Wear marks seemed to be less than when I used Slip on another new pistol. The Optic didn't get dirty with oil as with the Slip also.
So to sum it up in a very unscientific test, for me I notice more smoothness, less wear marks, the pistols don't heat up as much and they are easier to clean. This is all subjective to my feel and eyes. Time will tell.

Thanks
Steve

[RJ]

I realize this is stirring up the pot, but I have about run out of the 4 Oz bottle of Slip 2000 I bought in geez must have been 5 years ago,

I have noticed that if I let my pistols sit with Slip 2000 in the safe, when I pre-check them before going to the range, they are invariably dry? Which is weird because I lube them before going in the safe. Can Slip 2000 “evaporate”?

I got a free sample of Lucas Extreme Duty Gun Oil recently that I just tried on my Glock 48 and 34. I liked it. It seemed a little bit thicker than the Slip 2000. It’s too early yet to tell if it evaporates as fast, tho.

Anyway, I was going to order some more Slip 2000, maybe the 30 weight, but I thought I’d ask about this Lucas stuff. The reports seem to be positive. A 1.5 Oz Bottle is pricey ($8.99), but with a convenient needle tip. I mean lube is lube, so I’ll probably just go buy some and see how it goes.

[Jeff S.]

No, Slip2000 cannot evaporate. It’s a penetrating lubricant. “Slip” stands for synthetic lubricant, industrial penetrant. The additives in Slip2000 are attracted to metal and will spread out and adhere to metal surfaces. The owner of the company recommends wiping Slip2000 on, and then off until the metal is dry to the touch. They made more viscous versions for people who like to leave more of the lubricant on (or see the metal shiny with lubricant).

[babypanther]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTpWfjVFfEU

I am not sure if anyone has seen this, made me use a lot more Sriracha to get an empty bottle. I generally subscribe to the "wet AR's and guns in general just run better" and have used both Lucas and MPro7 in the past. So far it seems to stay wet and generally in place on my work gun.

[RJ]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTpWfjVFfEU

I am not sure if anyone has seen this, made me use a lot more Sriracha to get an empty bottle. I generally subscribe to the "wet AR's and guns in general just run better" and have used both Lucas and MPro7 in the past. So far it seems to stay wet and generally in place on my work gun.

Ahhhh...sriracha. Can I use this on my burritos then? :cool:

Kidding (mostly). Thanks for the video.

[Dog Face Gremlin]

Since I found Lucas Extreme......nothin' else.

[JAH 3rd]

I use Lucas Extreme Duty Gun Oil primarily because it is a bit thicker than other lubes I've used. Not saying it is better or worse than other lubes, just my .02 cents.

[WDR]

FireClean FTW!... Also works for seasoning cast iron, in a pinch. :rolleyes:

Kidding.

As of late I've been using EWL30... but I also have half a gallon of CLP that I still need to use up. I've tired various lubes over the years, and nothing really stands out, other than dry guns don't like to run, and really cold temps (below say 15 degrees)can do weird things with lube.

Grease has a place, but most of the time oil is going to be sufficient for firearms use.

[Jim Watson]

I have accumulated a number of lubricants, some even GUN Oil, and have found that the best lube is some.

I do think Lucas is good stuff, but I have too much other stuff on hand and won't likely buy more when my free sample runs out.

[BobM]

I have most of a case of Mobil 1 in the garage left from when we had a functioning minivan. Probably a couple lifetimes supply for me now

[WaxLaw]

While they did not test all brands, and specifically Lucas Extreme Duty. I thought this video, which is somewhat scientific was interesting:

https://youtu.be/fibRewlndLg?si=qhb3P9WCZkukdDrJ

[piefairy]

I recently used a sample pack of Lucas Extreme that came with a Sig I was given. I really like how it went on compared to what I was used to (Hoppes). It seems to sit and stay where you put it rather than just getting everywhere and having wet hands by the end of re-assembly. I haven't shot it yet on my guns, but they feel a lot smoother and I don't feel as much friction on the slide.