Handgun weight and capacity w/ reloads

[Lost River]

I posted this over at the 'Fire as well but figured it might be of more interest here.




Just for informational purposes.



I figured I would post some pics to show what some guns weigh with a magazine loaded, as well as with a spare magazine for some of them.

Standard 1911 with 8+1 of 230 grain ammo: 2 pounds 14.5 ounces

https://i.imgur.com/28m96xf.jpg?1

1911 with spare 8 round magazine. 3 pounds 6.5 ounces.

https://i.imgur.com/3khMqUR.jpg?2

Glock 30S with 10+1

https://i.imgur.com/nRXb2PI.jpg?1

Trying to match the loaded 1911 with a spare 8 round magazine (total capacity 17), the G30s ended up with with two extra magazines and 34 rounds of 230 grain ammo carried:

https://i.imgur.com/qI1Nq6M.jpg?1


This is not a "which one is better, more shootable" etc.

Just information for the sake of information.

CHEERS!

[Lost River]

Glock 19.3 with 16 rounds of 124 grain ammo.

https://i.imgur.com/O2OnW3k.jpg?1

1#14.2 Ounces



G19.3 loaded with a spare G17 magazine, for a total of 33 rounds.

https://i.imgur.com/IJHtu2z.jpg?1

2#s 8.5 ounces.



G19.3 loaded using a 24 round mag as a reload, for 40 rounds total.

https://i.imgur.com/Q9BlRlh.jpg?3

2#2 12.5 ounces

[Lost River]

The original CCW Model 19:

https://i.imgur.com/x1ENvGt.jpg?2

[Lost River]

This being the PF community, feel free to join in with submitting your own information.

If anything we need a break from the Doom and Gloom of the past days events. :cool:

CZ 75 with 16+1 if 148 grain ammo.

https://i.imgur.com/ZSQ35DT.jpg?1


2#s 12 OZ

[JohnO]

I wish I had a scale in my back pocket the day I was at the range with a buddy. He was shooting his M&P 45 and asked to feel my Lightweight Commander (45). Granted his M&P was holding 2 more rounds of 230 grain .45 ACP 10+1 v. 8+1 but he was amazed at how my 1911 felt lighter than his polymer pistol. I did a how it feels in the hand comparison and agreed with his perception. Just on visual inspection the slide on a M&P 45 appeared to have more mass than the 1911 and the frames AL v. polymer may not have been much different.

[Lost River]

I found it interesting that these two were roughly the same, though the CZ was loaded with 148 grain ammo and the G19.3 was loaded with 124s.

https://i.imgur.com/ZSQ35DT.jpg?1

https://i.imgur.com/Q9BlRlh.jpg?3

17 rounds vs 40 rounds.

[RJ]

Excellent thread.

I have been swapping carry guns for the last 24 months in a search to find "the" one. In so doing, As part of my evaluation of what's "best", I began looking at the weight I had to carry, vs. how many rounds I got. In other words, how many X ounces (penalty) do you pay to carry Y rounds (benefit)? Looking at the ratio, the optimum turned out to be the Glock 19:

65881

[farscott]

This is a really great thread. Lots of information.

When I get some time, I need to measure pistol thickness. Even though the 1911 weighs much more than a G17.3 with the grip frame chopped to G26.3 length, the 1911 is much more comfortable all day. That is with both pistols carried in Sparks VM-2 holsters on the same general spot on the belt. The 1911 grip frame is thinner, making it more comfortable. I suffer less fatigue from all day carry with the 1911 than with either the chopped G17.3 or a P30 in a VM-2.

[Lost River]

Medium frame Ruger Flattop. 45 caliber convertible.

These normally come with a stainless steel grip frame. I replaced mine with an aluminum one.



https://i.imgur.com/cTei0eV.jpg

Edit to add 4 & 5/8ths " barrel.

[Elwin]

This is a really great thread. Lots of information.

When I get some time, I need to measure pistol thickness. Even though the 1911 weighs much more than a G17.3 with the grip frame chopped to G26.3 length, the 1911 is much more comfortable all day. That is with both pistols carried in Sparks VM-2 holsters on the same general spot on the belt. The 1911 grip frame is thinner, making it more comfortable. I suffer less fatigue from all day carry with the 1911 than with either the chopped G17.3 or a P30 in a VM-2.

I’ve mentioned it elsewhere but I’ll repeat it here because it’s relevant - agreed, based on comparing a Walther P99 with 15+1 and a 17rd reload to a steel 9mm commander with 9+1 and two 9rd reloads. It’s more in terms of weight and number of items but feels like less due t being thin.

I should do some more specific weight comparisons on those two setups.

[Lost River]

https://i.imgur.com/28m96xf.jpg?1




https://i.imgur.com/SnvDL8j.jpg


9 rounds of 230 grain ammo for the 1911,

43 rounds of 124 grain ammo for the G34.

Same weight.

https://i.imgur.com/ZHPZDnd.jpg

[RancidSumo]

G19.5 MOS; RM07 on a FCD plate; TLR-7A; Thug Plug; JMCK IWB3; 15 rounds of 147gr HST.

2.49 lbs
65882

[RancidSumo]

P365; 10 rounds of 124gr Gold Dot; Aholster.

1.53 lbs
65883

[Lost River]

I’ve mentioned it elsewhere but I’ll repeat it here because it’s relevant - agreed, based on comparing a Walther P99 with 15+1 and a 17rd reload to a steel 9mm commander with 9+1 and two 9rd reloads. It’s more in terms of weight and number of items but feels like less due t being thin.

I should do some more specific weight comparisons on those two setups.

Yep,

Weight alone does not tell the whole story.

Not long after 9-11 I was doing E.P. for my Governor and as it was a non uniformed assignment, I had switched from my issued primary duty Glock 21 .45 to a Kimber pre series 1911 (I had qual'ed myself with the 1911 as my "backup" :). The 1911 simply worked better under a suit coat, even though it was heavier and carried fewer rounds.

This being P-F, I figured that this would be a good thread for pure information, so guys (and gals) can refer to it if they choose to. :cool:


CHEERS!

[03RN]

Lol, just recently did this myself. First number is unloaded.

G19
21.6oz
31.3oz 124gr(15)

M9a1compact
28.8oz
39.3oz 147gr(15)

M92
30.2oz
42.2oz 124gr(18)

Springfield Loaded, pachymer grips
39.4oz
47.1oz 255gr(9)

Springfield LW Champion
28.3oz
36.1oz 255gr(9)

2.75" m66-8
33.7oz
37.4oz 158gr(6)

4" m19
35.2oz
38.8oz 158gr(6)

4" hb m64 sb
36.6oz
39.8oz 158gr(6)

4" standard barrel m64 rb
31.8oz
35oz 158gr(6)

4 5/8" Blackhawk 45colt
36.7oz
41.9oz 255gr(6)

[TicTacticalTimmy]

Great thread Lost River!

I think it would be useful to list the number of rounds/pound or oz/rd for different loads.

[Hambo]

M92
30.2oz
42.2oz 124gr(18)

4 5/8" Blackhawk 45colt
36.7oz
41.9oz 255gr(6)

You've convinced me that I need an IWB holster for my Blackhawk.

[tlong17]

I did this a couple weeks ago with the following:

G19.5 16rds 147 HST - 2lbs 0.7oz

92 compact LTT w/ RMR 16rds 147 HST - 2lbs 9.7oz

365 13rds 115 SuperVel SCHP - 1lb 8.3oz
365 11rds 115 SuperVel SCHP - 1lb 7.1oz

[1911Nut]

No photos, but all information provided from my postal scale:

Dan Wesson Guardian .45 ACP 1911
8+1 230 gr. (Ed Brown magazine) 35.2 oz.

CZ 75 SP01 Shadow 9mm
18+1 124 gr. (CZ magazine) 48.5 oz.

STI Eagle 9mm 2011
17+1 124 gr. (STI magazine) 40.3 oz.

CZ 97B .45ACP
10+1 230 gr.(CZ magazine) 49.2 oz.

CZ RAMI 2075
10 + 1 124 gr. (CZ magazine) 29.9 oz.

CZ Shadowline Compact
14 + 1 124 gr. (CZ magazine) 35.6 oz.

Ed Brown KC-9 EVO G4 9mm 1911
9 +1 124 gr. (OEM Ed Brown magazine) 40.6 oz.

Glock G43
6 + 1 124 gr. (OEM Glock magazine) 21.0 oz.

S&W M&P Shield M2.0 11808
7+1 124 gr. (OEM S&W magazine) 21.8 oz.

S&W M&P 9 M2.0 4” Compact 11683
15+1 124 gr. (OEM S&W magazine) 31.0 oz.

Sig 365XL with Holosun 407K red dot
12+1 124 gr. (OEM Sig magazine) 26.4 oz.

Glock G48
10+1 124 gr. (OEM Glock magazine) 25.6 oz.

Springfield 3” EMP
9+1 124 gr. (OEM Springfield magazine) 31.0 oz.

[Chuck Whitlock]

Excellent thread.

I have been swapping carry guns for the last 24 months in a search to find "the" one. In so doing, As part of my evaluation of what's "best", I began looking at the weight I had to carry, vs. how many rounds I got. In other words, how many X ounces (penalty) do you pay to carry Y rounds (benefit)? Looking at the ratio, the optimum turned out to be the Glock 19:

65881


This is a really great thread. Lots of information.

When I get some time, I need to measure pistol thickness. Even though the 1911 weighs much more than a G17.3 with the grip frame chopped to G26.3 length, the 1911 is much more comfortable all day. That is with both pistols carried in Sparks VM-2 holsters on the same general spot on the belt. The 1911 grip frame is thinner, making it more comfortable. I suffer less fatigue from all day carry with the 1911 than with either the chopped G17.3 or a P30 in a VM-2.


Yep,

Weight alone does not tell the whole story.

I've noticed the same thing. I was just on an off-duty security gig yesterday. My P250c in a Safariland ALS holster "pulls" on my hip more than the steel .45 Commander in a Galco Speedmaster with the belt loop installed.

I think that weight distribution is a factor as well, in addition to total weight, thickness, etc. Unfortunately, Rich, just plugging in numbers doesn't tell the whole tale.

[Lost River]

West German Walther PP .22 LR.

11 rounds of 40 grain ammo (10 round magazine).

1# 8.1 OZ


https://i.imgur.com/NGzqlaj.jpg?1

Kind of a unique little gun. Walther PPs in .22 were issued to troops in Britain in the 70s. This is not one, but I found it interesting anyways. Here is an excerpt from Wiki about the PP in .22 LR

"In 1974, the British Royal Army Ordnance Corps purchased about 3,000 .22lr caliber Walther PP pistols to issue as Personal Defense Weapons to service members of the Ulster Defense Regiment. They were issued as sidearms to off duty soldiers. They had military markings unlike standard Walther PPs. They had black plastic grips, were parkerized and then coated with a type of lacquer called Suncorite which was later found to be extremely toxic and is no longer in use."


Hard to believe that it is almost a century old design now, being introduced in 1929.

:cool:

[Dave Williams]

Great thread, the one photo with the 45 with 9rds and the 9mm with 43rds being the same weight was startling.

[wvincent]

STI Staccato C with WC 9Rd magazine plus one in the chamber. 10 total 147gr HST.
2# 1.5 oz.
66000


STI Staccato C with WC 9Rd magazine plus one in the chamber plus WC 10Rd mag. 20 total 147gr HST
2# 9.3 oz.
66001

This is really my sweet spot.

[dave72]

West German Walther PP .22 LR.

11 rounds of 40 grain ammo (10 round magazine).

1# 8.1 OZ


https://i.imgur.com/NGzqlaj.jpg?1

Kind of a unique little gun. Walther PPs in .22 were issued to troops in Britain in the 70s. This is not one, but I found it interesting anyways. Here is an excerpt from Wiki about the PP in .22 LR

"In 1974, the British Royal Army Ordnance Corps purchased about 3,000 .22lr caliber Walther PP pistols to issue as Personal Defense Weapons to service members of the Ulster Defense Regiment. They were issued as sidearms to off duty soldiers. They had military markings unlike standard Walther PPs. They had black plastic grips, were parkerized and then coated with a type of lacquer called Suncorite which was later found to be extremely toxic and is no longer in use."


Hard to believe that it is almost a century old design now, being introduced in 1929.

:cool:
thats my favorite 22 auto and well jeff cooper told me i needed one lol

[Lost River]

Details man, details!

I would like to hear the story. :cool:

[Doc_Glock]

Loaded weights:
NAA SA 8.0oz loaded with 5x40grain

Ruger LCP .22 12.0 Oz loaded with 11x40grain

Ruger LCP 380 12.2oz loaded 7x90grain

S&W 43 C 12.4oz with 8x40gr

Beretta Bobcat 21a 13.9oz loaded with 8x40 grain

S&W 340PD 14.4oz with 5x158g

Ruger LCR .22 15.7oz loaded with 8x40 grain

Ruger LCR .38 16.2oz loaded with 5x158 grain

Glock G44 .22 16.2oz loaded with 11 Velocitors

Glock G42 16.3oz loaded with 7x90 grain

S&W 642 17.1 oz Airweight 5x.38 158gr.

Rohrbaugh R9 18.0oz loaded with 7x124gr

Kahr PM9 18.9oz loaded with 7x124gr

Ruger LCR 9mm 19.0oz loaded 5x147 HST

Kahr PM9 19.5oz loaded with 7x124grain

Glock G43 21.8oz loaded with 7x147 grain

Glock G43x 24.4oz loaded 11x147 grain

Glock G48 26.1oz loaded 11x147 grain

Glock G26 G4, G3 27.3oz with 11x147gr

Glock G19 G4 31.6oz with 16x147 grain

Glock G17k G4 32.6 oz with 16x147 grain

[AdioSS]

Not something I carry very often, but...
https://i.imgur.com/rf6MhPZl.jpg
Beretta Billennium loaded with 19rds of 124gr.

[TheNewbie]

Thanks to all those putting these lists together.

[BobM]

Is there a preferred brand or source for one of those scales?

[M2CattleCo]

4.5oz difference between a Glock 42 and 43. Wow Didn’t realize that.

If I could find any .380 ammo I’d probably buy a new gun and get even lazier!

[Duelist]

4.5oz difference between a Glock 42 and 43. Wow Didn’t realize that.

If I could find any .380 ammo I’d probably buy a new gun and get even lazier!

It is a very easy gun to carry, and to shoot.

[M2CattleCo]

Well I bought one today.

Mine is difficult to shoot because I’ve never owned a 380 and I don’t think there’s any ammo for it anywhere:confused:

[Half Moon]

S&W Model 12 Airweight, 2", round butt, with grip adaptor. 6 x 147 grain .38 Special wadcutters
21.736 ounces

66070

Plus 1 x Jetloader with 6 x 158 grain JHP
25.75 ounces

66071

[TheNewbie]

Lost River


Any way you can weigh some of your 3rd Gen S&Ws? Especially the .45s!


Thanks

[Lost River]

Lost River


Any way you can weigh some of your 3rd Gen S&Ws? Especially the .45s!


Thanks

I will grab my 4506 and the scale tomorrow.

Forty five Friday!

[Lost River]

Here ya go Friend!

2#s 14 OZs with 9rds 230 grain ammo.

https://i.imgur.com/kJ6eyUU.jpg?1

[Lost River]

And the "Lightweight Commander" version:


https://i.imgur.com/oSfxsMN.jpg?1


https://i.imgur.com/km2fdcX.jpg?1


Such a cool gun. :)

[TheNewbie]

Thank you so much Lost River!


In fact, I wanted to ask you for the weight of the 4563, but I felt inappropriate asking for too much. :p



The 4563 does seem like a cool gun.

[TicTacticalTimmy]

Wanted to bump this thread to ask if anyone could do unloaded and loaded weights for Px4 Compact?

Would be interested to see stock vs LTT RDO

[Dov]

Something I've had in my notes for years, number of rounds per pound based on caliber.

Some of my sources that I have working links for.

https://www.survivalistboards.com/threads/ammo-weights-for-survival-situations-chart.159381/

https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=921847

https://survivalfreedom.com/ammo-weight-chart-how-much-100-rounds-weigh-by-type/

Also from my notes, something that really surprised me is older loaded 30 round AK mags were around 2 lbs, loaded M1 Garand 8 round Clip around 0.51 lbs so for weight of ammo ready to go pretty much a wash.

Newer 30 round AK mags can be closer to 1.5lbs or so I believe so it be something like ~24 rounds for Garand vs 30 rounds for AK

Numbers I have for M1a (M14) loaded 20 round mag is 1.625 lbs (26oz) for loaded 20 round mag and 4 loaded 5 round strippers for 20 rounds at 1.3 lbs (20.8 oz).

Both 9x19 & 5.56 are about 37 rounds/lbs

While 357 mag, 40 S&W, 7.62x39, & 6.8 SPC all ~28 rounds/lbs I think the 300 Blackout would be about same but don't have any numbers for it.

While 30-30, 45 ACP, 44 mag, 7.62NATO, etc all around 19-22 rounds/lbs.

12 gauge around 10 rounds/lbs depending on load little above or below that number.

[BN]

Wanted to bump this thread to ask if anyone could do unloaded and loaded weights for Px4 Compact?

Would be interested to see stock vs LTT RDO

My PX4CC with an empty mag weighs 27.1 oz.

[TicTacticalTimmy]

Thank you, my full size is 27.7oz, surprised there is so little weight difference given the much shorter barrel/slide on the compact.