Tenicor Holster Hole Placement Issues

[Thy.Will.Be.Done]

A friend purchased an AIWB/IWB Left Handed holster from Tenicor recently for 1911/2011 pistols. Can anybody tell me why the hole spacing, etc looks just like that of a right handed version and not more like a mirror image. He says it does not allow for ease of IWB cant angle adjustment, but somehow made it work. This is after a phone call for a replacement holster (delivered) which was expected to fix the problem and was identical to the first. Engineering oversight, quality control issues, WHAT IS GOING ON HERE??

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[vcdgrips]

Why are you yelling?

You “friend” had one call with Tenicor, is apparently unhappy and you bring it here why?

I am supremely confident that if your “friend” contacts Tenicor next week, perhaps with some more photos and or a video depicting the “issue”, Tenicor will have a solution or otherwise make it right.

https://tenicor.com/pages/faq_turbo

[runcible]

I concur with vcd; I think that there are classier ways to handle this, then this present discourse.

[blues]

Any time I had a question regarding a Tenicor holster, Jeff Mau, (or another individual associated with him at Tenicor), answered my email the same day.

No doubt he will take care of any issues.

[WobblyPossum]

My instance of dealing with the Tenicor folks regarding a customer service matter was probably the best customer service experience I’ve ever had. I highly recommend reaching out again and calmly explaining the problem. Send them the photo in an email. I’m positive they’ll take care of your friend.

[GearFondler]

I can't speak for Tenicor any more than anyone else here can so I don't see how we can help.
That being said, at first glance I agree that I would expect to see mirror image slots but one must take into account the proprietary DCC clips that Tenicor uses. They are a staggered slot design that may not simply flip sides like that... I don't believe DCC makes them a reversed slot clip.
Or it may be an updated hole pattern that is a mirror image of a newer design different from the one you are comparing to.
Whatever the case, it was molded that way using a form so it was not a mistake made during construction... It was intentionally built like that.
I suggest communicating directly with Tenicor for further assistance.

[LittleLebowski]

So Tenicor already tried to make it right and your friend asked you to take his grievance here?

jeffm

[Erick Gelhaus]

So Tenicor already tried to make it right and your friend asked you to take his grievance here?

jeffm

Thumbs Up!

I've bought from jeffm & Tenicor before, when I need his stuff I'll buy from him again.

[paherne]

I think I want a Tenicor holster for my 2011.

[Thy.Will.Be.Done]

So Tenicor already tried to make it right and your friend asked you to take his grievance here?

jeffm

Tenicor tried but failed to fix it, he told me he wasn't going to bother with trying to get it sorted out if they couldn't fix it the first time. I offered to post here for more info, there is no 'yelling' in my OP, simply a statement of what he communicated to me and asking for input.

[RJ]

As a fellow lefty, I hope the friend gets his issue resolved with Tenicor. They're the only ones who can address it.

Having said that, I find it odd, as there are some differences between the left and right versions of the holster in these pictures.

On the molded belt area, the one on the left has three holes and four slots; the one on the right has two holes and four slots. The holes on the right one are on two "bumps" under the slots; the one on the left, the upper left hole is made on one of the slot bump outs. So it's not like the mold used for the right was just "flipped", it's a different shape.

The upper slide insertion area on the left one has a ramped indentation, the one on the right is square all the way down, and then it assumes the shape of the holster. As is they were molded for pistols with two different safety levers or mag releases or something?

These are pretty subtle differences but it doesn't look like the one was meant to be a mirror image of the other (which is what I normally find when buying left hand holsters. Usually the attachment mold area is shaped identical, since the clips/loops are identical.

Just seems like there is something else going on here. I do hope the OP's friend gets this figured out, however.

[LittleLebowski]

Closing thread until jeffm gets a chance to respond or is contacted by normal means by the friend himself. I think it’s because of the staggered holes on the clips, but I’d contact Tenicor and handle it myself.

[jeffm]

A friend purchased an AIWB/IWB Left Handed holster from Tenicor recently for 1911/2011 pistols. Can anybody tell me why the hole spacing, etc looks just like that of a right handed version and not more like a mirror image. He says it does not allow for ease of IWB cant angle adjustment, but somehow made it work. This is after a phone call for a replacement holster (delivered) which was expected to fix the problem and was identical to the first. Engineering oversight, quality control issues, WHAT IS GOING ON HERE??

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Thy.Will.Be.Done,

Thanks for reaching out. I apologize if you and your friend are having a challenging time with our product or service. I don’t recall this specific incident and Russ, who handles 95%, of CS issues did not recall it either. I searched our email archive and did not find a similar related CS issue. If you provide an order number or name/email, then I’d have somewhere to start to find the email thread to see what correspondence took place.

The holsters you posted look correct. They are not suppose to be mirror image. I wish mirror image would work as it would be much easier. The issue is the T1 clip with staggered slot design (as other have suggested). We don’t make custom LH clips and the clips aren’t mirror image like most attachments. So the holes and slots on the LH holster can’t be mirror image to RH. It is a huge pain in the butt to make the LH version of the CERTUM and CERTUM LUX. The hole pattern is complex (it took me a long time to figure it out), so it doesn’t surprise me when a customer isn’t tracking immediately on how it works. That is one of the reasons why we have setup and install youtube videos

CERTUM3 LH IWB Setup: https://youtu.be/JDAmLYJhAtw
CERTUM3 LH AIWB Setup: https://youtu.be/oSruHN5B_RI

The product you have pictured are designed correctly for LH AIWB and LH Hip carry with up to a 30 degree forward cant.

Here is a pic of the RH holster and LH holster with T1 clips overlaid to illustrate how the holes are intended to line up.
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Here is a screen shot of a CAD model to show how the design is very intentional and not some quality control oversight.
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We understand our products don’t work for everyone. We also offer an 100% satisfaction guarantee where we pay for your return shipping and refund the entire cost including the original shipping. All one has to do is ask… Thanks for your patience and consideration.

[jeffhughes]

I think his buddy Karen will be just fine..

[jeffm]

As a fellow lefty, I hope the friend gets his issue resolved with Tenicor. They're the only ones who can address it.

Having said that, I find it odd, as there are some differences between the left and right versions of the holster in these pictures.

On the molded belt area, the one on the left has three holes and four slots; the one on the right has two holes and four slots. The holes on the right one are on two "bumps" under the slots; the one on the left, the upper left hole is made on one of the slot bump outs. So it's not like the mold used for the right was just "flipped", it's a different shape.

The upper slide insertion area on the left one has a ramped indentation, the one on the right is square all the way down, and then it assumes the shape of the holster. As is they were molded for pistols with two different safety levers or mag releases or something?

These are pretty subtle differences but it doesn't look like the one was meant to be a mirror image of the other (which is what I normally find when buying left hand holsters. Usually the attachment mold area is shaped identical, since the clips/loops are identical.

Just seems like there is something else going on here. I do hope the OP's friend gets this figured out, however.

RJ. Thanks for your comment regarding our product. There are no guns that I am aware of that are straight up a mirror image from right to left. That said, many holster companies make their products mirror image. This is done because the design/manufacturing process is simplified and not because the holster design is optimized. There are times that we make a feature mirror image, there are other times when the mirror image feature is counter to performance. We strive to make the highest performing concealment products in the world, so I’d expect that you’d see many features on our LH holsters that are NOT mirror image from the RH. I’d argue this is because, we care and are trying to do right by our LH customers and not looking to short cut things even though lefties represent less than 10% of our sales.

The hole/slot pattern is not mirror image because of the staggered slot design in the T1 clip (as others have mentioned). It would be much easier if we could make it mirror image, but It won’t work with the T1. The blocking you appear to be referring to is also intentionally not mirror image (it would be easier if it was). That is for the slide stop on the 1911/2011. There is not an identical slide stop on the right side of the gun, so it doesn’t make sense to us to put blocking there for something that doesn’t exist. There is some blocking on the right side as the pin for the slide stop protrudes out to the right on some 1911/2011s. The blocking for the safety is Ambi as may 1911/2011 have ambi safeties.

Thanks for your concern and consideration.

[RJ]

RJ. Thanks for your comment regarding our product. There are no guns that I am aware of that are straight up a mirror image from right to left. That said, many holster companies make their products mirror image. This is done because the design/manufacturing process is simplified and not because the holster design is optimized. There are times that we make a feature mirror image, there are other times when the mirror image feature is counter to performance. We strive to make the highest performing concealment products in the world, so I’d expect that you’d see many features on our LH holsters that are NOT mirror image from the RH. I’d argue this is because, we care and are trying to do right by our LH customers and not looking to short cut things even though lefties represent less than 10% of our sales.

The hole/slot pattern is not mirror image because of the staggered slot design in the T1 clip (as others have mentioned). It would be much easier if we could make it mirror image, but It won’t work with the T1. The blocking you appear to be referring to is also intentionally not mirror image (it would be easier if it was). That is for the slide stop on the 1911/2011. There is not an identical slide stop on the right side of the gun, so it doesn’t make sense to us to put blocking there for something that doesn’t exist. There is some blocking on the right side as the pin for the slide stop protrudes out to the right on some 1911/2011s. The blocking for the safety is Ambi as may 1911/2011 have ambi safeties.

Thanks for your concern and consideration.

Thanks. I appreciate the information. That AuoCAD model rendering is not something I’ve found very common in holster applications. Nice. As a lefty, I also appreciate the design effort, especially for us ‘wrong’ handed people. I’ll definitely look further into the Tenicor product line in future.

[SouthNarc]

Jeff Mau is a class act.

[WobblyPossum]

Jeff Mau is a class act.

For sure. I knew Jeff/Tenicor would take care of this. While I’ve never interacted with Jeff personally, the Tenicor products I own are fantastic and the customer service I’ve received from Russ was even better. My Certum 3 is one of my favorite holsters.

[SAWBONES]

Jeff Mau is a class act.


Don't know Jeff except via p-f, but just to give credit where credit is due, I've got four left-handed Tenicor holsters, and they're very well designed and quite functional.

FWIW, not all Kydex AIWB holster makers cater to that 12.5% of the population that's "wrong-handed", and we southpaws think well of Tenicor.

[Squib308]

I still have no idea what OP was complaining about. Lack of enantiomeric behavior in his “friend’s” L vs R holster? The folks at Tenicor are far better souls than myself as I would straight troll this 8 days a week. God bless.

[MasterBlaster]

This is the biggest complaint fail I've ever seen.

[Wendell]

...WHAT IS GOING ON HERE??

...there is no 'yelling' in my OP...

:rolleyes:

[rathos]

Buy one, they are great! While the JM and LAS holsters I have work ok, the Tenicor just seems to fit me better. Bonus it also works for my MC operator I had milled for an RMR. You won't be sorry if you get one.


I think I want a Tenicor holster for my 2011.

[SouthNarc]

I can't say exactly how many people have called Shannon at ShivWorks Products Group and lambasted him because we don't make "left-handed" Clinch Picks, but he's forwarded me probably a dozen emails of that nature. So......common sense....isn't.

[LittleLebowski]

I still have no idea what OP was complaining about. Lack of enantiomeric behavior in his “friend’s” L vs R holster? The folks at Tenicor are far better souls than myself as I would straight troll this 8 days a week. God bless.

The more you know...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enantiomer



In chemistry, an enantiomer (/ɪˈnæntiəmər, ɛ-, -tioʊ-/[1] ə-NAN-tee-ə-mər; from Greek ἐνάντιος (enántios) 'opposite', and μέρος (méros) 'part') (also named optical isomer,[2] antipode,[3] or optical antipode[4]) is one of two stereoisomers that are mirror images of each other that are non-superposable (not identical), much as one's left and right hands are mirror images of each other that cannot appear identical simply by reorientation.

[Det1397]

Off topic, but: Back in November I dealt with Russ regarding the return/exchange of a LH ARX that was completely my fault. Russ was courteous, professional and accommodating and he rectified my situation without hesitation!
I have several LH Tenicor holsters for assorted GLOCKs, including their excellent VELO4 AIWB and the ARX, and I find the quality, construction and execution outstanding and I highly recommend their products to friends and associates.

[SAWBONES]

I still have no idea what OP was complaining about. Lack of enantiomeric behavior in his “friend’s” L vs R holster? The folks at Tenicor are far better souls than myself as I would straight troll this 8 days a week. God bless.

Bravo!

I haven't gotten to use enantiomeric in a sentence except when explaining to patients the concept of difference in molecular structure between mirror-image molecules, and how only one form (usually but not always the levo-rotatory one) is active in physiologic systems, and therefore why pharmaceutical companies' offerings, in some cases, of a given Rx in just the one (active) form, as opposed to the racemic mixture that otherwise occurs in synthesis, often comes in a lower dose yet also at a higher price.

I'll have to try to trot that word out more often! ;)

[blues]

Bravo!

I haven't gotten to use enantiomeric in a sentence except when explaining to patients the concept of difference in molecular structure between mirror-image molecules, and how only one form (usually but not always the levo-rotatory one) is active in physiologic systems, and therefore why pharmaceutical companies' offerings, in some cases, of a given Rx in just the one (active) form, as opposed to the racemic mixture that otherwise occurs in synthesis, often comes in a lower dose yet also at a higher price.

I'll have to try to trot that word out more often! ;)

I have no idea what that term means...

...but I do know what "integrity" means...and Jeff Mau and Tenicor have it...even when nobody else is a party to the event.

Fortunately, we are blessed with more than just a few such individuals from whom we are able to acquire our equipment.

[LittleLebowski]

I’d say we’ve beat this into the ground and the manufacturer has handled this complaint in a truly exemplary fashion, so we are done here.