Explosion in Nashville, TN

[farscott]

Not a way to start any day, let alone Christmas day. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9087589/Bomb-squad-called-RV-explodes-Nashville.html


There has been a huge explosion in downtown Nashville which caused plumes of smoke to rise through the city skyline and scattered broken glass and metal in the streets.

The explosion happened at 5.40am local time on Christmas (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/christmas/index.html) Day.

Some reports of a "parked vehicle" as the cause but nothing confirmed as of this time.

More details. https://www.wkrn.com/news/large-explosion-in-downtown-nashville/


The explosion happened in the area of Second Avenue and Broadway near Commerce Street occurred around 6:30 am Friday. Heavy black smoke can be seen rising above the affected area.

The Metro Nashville Office of Emergency Management told News 2 a parked RV exploded and caused damage to several buildings. They said crews are currently assessing the damage but no injuries have been reported. Officials with the OEM also reported foul play was not suspected at this time.

[blues]

https://youtu.be/1Y3nX95wY2k

[RJ]

That's very unfortunate. A "parked RV" quite possibly could have had a propane leak, interior to the cabin. Plus source of ignition being the water heater pilot light, equals kaboom.

We had a defective LP valve on the external tank manifold on our Airstream. We came back from dinner in Tombstone AZ one evening to hear a loud HSSSSSS in the camp. Turns out it was our tanks, venting to atmosphere. Scary.

I hope they figure out what happened.

[DC_P]

That's very unfortunate. A "parked RV" quite possibly could have had a propane leak, interior to the cabin. Plus source of ignition being the water heater pilot light, equals kaboom.

Merry Christmas - shitter's full.

[snow white]

Just hope that hooters is ok.

[blues]

Just hope that hooters is ok.

Speaking of plastic explosives...

[Lost River]

Merry Christmas - shitter's full.

You Serious Clark?

[TC215]

Metro’s saying it appears to be intentional.

[HCountyGuy]

Metro’s saying it appears to be intentional.

...terrific

[blues]

Maybe if we play the record backwards...


I'd start rounding up hip-hop and rap artists.


Seriously, though, hopefully the miscreants behind this will be identified, captured or otherwise dealt with forthwith.

[farscott]

Metro’s saying it appears to be intentional.

Not good news at all. 2020 just keeps on giving.

[5pins]

If it's intentional why 6:30 on Christmas on an empty street? Only three people injured so far. Not the hallmark of a terrorist attack.

[RoyGBiv]

Explosion that rocked Nashville on Christmas morning appears to be 'intentional act,' police say

(https://www.foxnews.com/us/nashville-explosion-downtown-christmas-day)

Police told local reporters that they received a call of a suspicious vehicle parked near the city's AT&T building and that hazardous devices units were on their way to the vehicle when the explosion happened

[revchuck38]

This is one of those "If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck..." things. Waiting for a call taking responsibility for the explosion.

Residents had called the police to report a suspicious vehicle. I'm wondering why they considered it suspicious.

[Maple Syrup Actual]

If it's intentional why 6:30 on Christmas on an empty street? Only three people injured so far. Not the hallmark of a terrorist attack.

This was my thought also: a revenge attack against a specific company, or property owner, maybe, by someone trying to limit casualties?

What's right there? A tax office? A Comcast building? Anything that gives out axes to grind for Christmas? Big companies that laid off staff right before Christmas?

That'd be my instinct, anyway.

[Duelist]

https://youtu.be/1Y3nX95wY2k

PSA: getting closer to the boom-site is generally a bad idea. This is why the police block access to it: to keep gawkers out of the f’n way, and to keep gawkers from getting hurt by falling debris or secondary booms.

Thought people figured that out after 9/11, but apparently not.

[revchuck38]

If it's intentional why 6:30 on Christmas on an empty street? Only three people injured so far. Not the hallmark of a terrorist attack.

"We did this to limit casualties to show you we can strike when and where we want to. We won't be so constrained the next time. Our demands are..."

[revchuck38]

PSA: getting closer to the boom-site is generally a bad idea. This is why the police block access to it: to keep gawkers out of the f’n way, and to keep gawkers from getting hurt by falling debris or secondary booms.

Thought people figured that out after 9/11, but apparently not.

But if they don't get near it, they can't post it on Facebook. Isn't that what life is all about?

[Glenn E. Meyer]

Somewhat of an aside. We had bomb threat, evacuate the building drills at work (university). We had a couple of real evacs (fake calls). I noticed that most folks gathered right outside the building waiting to get back in. I would walk far away from the building. When I asked why, I mentioned a secondary bomb. Never occurred to many. The school's emergency folks (police, etc.) never mentioned that. They even had areas marked off to gather to take attendance in the parking lots. Sigh.

On one bomb call, the campus police asked me if I would walk with them through the building to point anything that looked out of place. I passed on that. Some faculty did go with them, so they could get back to their world shaking research. I did say I would walk through the joint, when the President and Dean came to keep me company.

[Lost River]

If it's intentional why 6:30 on Christmas on an empty street? Only three people injured so far. Not the hallmark of a terrorist attack.



To show the nation your capabilities.

You can also use it as PSYOPS.

Example: You put 10 units of explosives in a car. Car goes BOOM. You tell the world. That was just 3 units. Next time we will use 10 units if you don't do what we tell you. People start having fits of the vapors.

Also, the bad guys (BGs) get to gather intel. They watch response times, who responds, where they respond to and how. Basically the First Responder's TTPs (Tactics Training and Procedures). This intel then can be used against them in future operations.

When they don't kill any civilians, they retain support of a certain element of population that supports a Socialist revolution.

ETC, ETC.

Lots of reasons to set off the bomb when and where they did.

Too bad it did not go off prematurely while they were setting it up...

I would predict more of this in the near years to come as the Socialist/Communists become more bold.

[OlongJohnson]

https://youtu.be/1Y3nX95wY2k

Am I the only one who sees this as obviously a capture from some lame video game? Or did I miss the laughter?

[revchuck38]

Lost River - Agreed, but such knuckleheads aren't solely found on the left side of the political spectrum. That said, I agree with your assessment that these folks probably are.

[5pins]

To show the nation your capabilities.

You can also use it as PSYOPS.

Example: You put 10 units of explosives in a car. Car goes BOOM. You tell the world. That was just 3 units. Next time we will use 10 units if you don't do what we tell you. People start having fits of the vapors.

Also, the bad guys (BGs) get to gather intel. They watch response times, who responds, where they respond to and how. Basically the First Responder's TTPs (Tactics Training and Procedures). This intel then can be used against them in future operations.

When they don't kill any civilians, they retain support of a certain element of population that supports a Socialist revolution.

ETC, ETC.

Lots of reasons to set off the bomb when and where they did.

Too bad it did not go off prematurely while they were setting it up...

I would predict more of this in the near years to come as the Socialist/Communists become more bold.

Sounds like a great plot for a movie but when do we see this in real life? Getting enough explosives to cause the damage they did isn't easy never mind gathering enough for 10.

I'm thinking more than likely it went off early.

[Robert Mitchum]

Local news is reporting gun fire before the explosion .. might have been a way of getting Police in the area before the fire works.
Supposed Gun fire started at 5.30am .

[RJ]

Local news is reporting gun fire before the explosion .. might have been a way of getting Police in the area before the fire works.
Supposed Gun fire started at 5.30am .

And curiouser: RV was "broadcasting" a message prior to the blast.

https://www.wkrn.com/news/large-explosion-in-downtown-nashville/

This is getting weird.

[TC215]

This is getting weird.

It is Nashville...

[RJ]

Video of alleged recording being reported by eyewitnesses adjacent to the RV prior to blast.


https://youtu.be/5nygTJeu9fU

[LittleLebowski]

And curiouser: RV was "broadcasting" a message prior to the blast.

https://www.wkrn.com/news/large-explosion-in-downtown-nashville/

This is getting weird.

You can hear the recording right before the blast in this tweet.

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[BehindBlueI's]

PSA: getting closer to the boom-site is generally a bad idea. This is why the police block access to it: to keep gawkers out of the f’n way, and to keep gawkers from getting hurt by falling debris or secondary booms.

Thought people figured that out after 9/11, but apparently not.

People gawk during active gunfights. Basically backstops with video capability.

[farscott]

And curiouser: RV was "broadcasting" a message prior to the blast.

https://www.wkrn.com/news/large-explosion-in-downtown-nashville/

This is getting weird.

Weird is the "If you can hear this message, evacuate now" on repeat. I guess that explains the 911 calls about a suspicious vehicle.

[RJ]

It is Nashville...

I've only been once...we were en route with my used '09 E92 M3 I'd bought in Indianapolis, back to Atlanta and decided to make a weekend stop in Nashville. We stayed in the JW Marriott (on points) downtown, and had a hell of a time. I recall a couple nights listening to various bands in bars and such like. A good few Jack and Cokes were consumed. We found it very enjoyable.

Back on topic: I hope they find the assholes who did this.

[HCM]

It is Nashville...

The Austin of TN.

[Totem Polar]

Video of alleged recording being reported by eyewitnesses adjacent to the RV prior to blast.


https://youtu.be/5nygTJeu9fU

Yeah, I’m gonna go with “intentional...”

[ffhounddog]

I bet it will be liberals pissed off at businesses for staying open because unlike the coasts where people want to live in fear due to C19 these people are trying to live life and provide for their families.

[EPF]

To show the nation your capabilities.

You can also use it as PSYOPS.

Example: You put 10 units of explosives in a car. Car goes BOOM. You tell the world. That was just 3 units. Next time we will use 10 units if you don't do what we tell you. People start having fits of the vapors.

Also, the bad guys (BGs) get to gather intel. They watch response times, who responds, where they respond to and how. Basically the First Responder's TTPs (Tactics Training and Procedures). This intel then can be used against them in future operations.

When they don't kill any civilians, they retain support of a certain element of population that supports a Socialist revolution.

ETC, ETC.

Lots of reasons to set off the bomb when and where they did.

Too bad it did not go off prematurely while they were setting it up...

I would predict more of this in the near years to come as the Socialist/Communists become more bold.

That may have been their intention, but luckily for us this will be a one time event for the bad guys. As you probably know, the technologies we developed in the IED fight overseas will make short work of back-tracing this device, if the downtown surveillance cameras don’t already do the job.

We can take some solace in knowing the turd behind this will spend New Years behind bars or dead.

[farscott]

Not sure if there is a linkage, but the RV was in front of an AT&T facility. And many AT&T customers in the southeast are reporting issues. The AT&T mobile phone network is suffering from outages centered around Nashville. All the way from Lexington, KY, to Memphis, TN, to Atlanta, GA. https://downdetector.com/status/att/map/

[revchuck38]

That may have been their intention, but luckily for us this will be a one time event for the bad guys. As you probably know, the technologies we developed in the IED fight overseas will make short work of back-tracing this device, if the downtown surveillance cameras don’t already do the job.

We can take some solace in knowing the turd behind this will spend New Years behind bars or dead.

The bad guys have learned too. I hope you're right, but I'm not as confident as you are.

[TC215]

Not sure if there is a linkage, but the RV was in front of an AT&T facility. And many AT&T customers in the southeast are reporting issues. The AT&T mobile phone network is suffering from outages centered around Nashville. All the way from Lexington, KY, to Memphis, TN, to Atlanta, GA. https://downdetector.com/status/att/map/

Media is saying the AT&T location is a “transmission building.”

[Tennessee Jed]

I'm in the Nashville area. Local news is reporting that 911 service is down for some AT&T customers in the area.

(ETA: "some" AT&T customers)

[EPF]

The bad guys have learned too. I hope you're right, but I'm not as confident as you are.

I don’t mean to sound glib at all, it’s just a fact that building a bomb and detonating it on American soil is a one time deal. Our incredible impotence in overcoming the political and governance issues with foreign occupations did not stop the incredible American ingenuity from being applied to the technical problem. We have unbelievable abilities with detonated devices. I don’t want to go into specifics in an open environment.

[JDD]

If it's intentional why 6:30 on Christmas on an empty street? Only three people injured so far. Not the hallmark of a terrorist attack.

Not a hallmark of the type of terrorist attack we are used to in the US. There is historical precedent for bombings that are designed to send a message vs kill - for example, during the troubles there were several devices that were called in ahead of time by the folks who em-placed them, or otherwise set to go off during non-peak casualty times. The implicit message being that the bombers can still escalate their attacks further if their position is not met.

You can still run into artifacts of this mindset in the "telephonic bomb threat" procedures that are still floating around a lot of institutions.

Regardless - if this is an intentional attack, they need to be located, prosecuted, and awarded the maximum applicable sanction for their fuckery.

[RJ]

Local news interviews resident of building on third floor across from bomb explosion who evacuated. She mentions gun shots in 5:32AM 911 call, as well as ‘recorded’ voice. Includes helo footage of site on 2nd street. Holy Cow.


https://youtu.be/iag6cTWpgq8

[HCM]

I don’t mean to sound glib at all, it’s just a fact that building a bomb and detonating it on American soil is a one time deal. Our incredible impotence in overcoming the political and governance issues with foreign occupations did not stop the incredible American ingenuity from being applied to the technical problem. We have unbelievable abilities with detonated devices. I don’t want to go into specifics in an open environment.

Ingenuity and technology or a two-way street.

[HCM]

No idea if it has any actual relevance but it’s interesting that six months ago a Christian fundamentalist group called Future For America took out a newspaper ad claiming that and Islamic group would detonate a nuclear bomb in Nashville.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/21/tennessee-newspaper-ad-islam-muslims-nashville

[TheRoland]

There's a youtube video someone posted, showing the street before the explosion here. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nygTJeu9fU&feature=youtu.be) Also includes the detonation.

It appears that the vbied had a 15 minute audio warning to evacuate.

EDIT: oops, already posted.

Also includes a dog-walker just walking through, like hey, it's another day in Nashville, 2 minutes after the bomb.:confused:

[jh9]

Also includes a dog-walker just walking through, like hey, it's another day in Nashville, 2 minutes after the bomb.:confused:

Dogma, zealots and terrorists notwithstanding the dog doesn't shit in the house.

[FNFAN]

Son was just coming off shift at Vanderbilt Medical Center when it went off. Hope they catch the wing-nuts and string'm up.

[EPF]

Ingenuity and technology or a two-way street.

True. I’d even say it’s a superhighway interchange.

But to continue your analogy, if this is the best they can do they are going the wrong way down a one way street.

This person or group shows a fair level of sophistication for a domestic incident. The complexity of the device itself, including the creepy announcement, shows a fairly high level of technical capability compared to the average attempt. But IMO it’s clear from the limited images of the blast site that there are mountains of evidence producing material and that they either underestimated our abilities or don’t plan to live long. I spent 10 years working CIED from the national policy level to the streets of Ass-crackistan. You have a better chance of getting away with a bank robbery than placing a device like this in an domestic urban center.

[LittleLebowski]

AT&T outage reported: Planes grounded, 911 disrupted in wake of Nashville explosion. (https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/local/2020/12/25/att-outage-internet-down-hours-after-nashville-explosion/4045278001/)

[LittleLebowski]

65205

[Jim Watson]

AT&T cellular out here in Florence, NW Alabama.

[Glenn E. Meyer]

They have picture of the RV now. Came in at 1:30 in the morning.

[TC215]

First photo of the suspect:

https://images.amcnetworks.com/blogs.amctv.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/breaking-bad-episode-205-jesse-paul-560.jpg

[GJM]

If I was in charge of investigating this, my first stop would be a visit to Boyd Crowder up in Harlan County, KY.

[blues]

If I was in charge of investigating this, my first stop would be a visit to Boyd Crowder up in Harlan County, KY.

That accusation is not justified.

[pangloss]

The passed along info I have is that the bomb was designed to disable the communication infrastructure. Apparently, some emergency and communications functions from as far away as Omaha run through that AT&T building. Detonation at that time of day and the recorded warning were designed to minimize injury. Like I said, this is passed along info, so take it for whatever you will.

[Lost River]

That is indicative of a larger operation that we are most likely NOT going to hear about unless it gets out of control.

[Kirk]

The passed along info I have is that the bomb was designed to disable the communication infrastructure. Apparently, some emergency and communications functions from as far away as Omaha run through that AT&T building. Detonation at that time of day and the recorded warning were designed to minimize injury. Like I said, this is passed along info, so take it for whatever you will.

Would this indicate some type of domestic terrorism motive?

[Kyle Reese]

If I was in charge of investigating this, my first stop would be a visit to Boyd Crowder up in Harlan County, KY.

Boyd’s back to mining coal and running an online church.


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[ssb]

Certain state government websites appear to be down, as is the tn.gov e-mail domain.

[Totem Polar]

True. I’d even say it’s a superhighway interchange.

But to continue your analogy, if this is the best they can do they are going the wrong way down a one way street.

This person or group shows a fair level of sophistication for a domestic incident. The complexity of the device itself, including the creepy announcement, shows a fairly high level of technical capability compared to the average attempt. But IMO it’s clear from the limited images of the blast site that there are mountains of evidence producing material and that they either underestimated our abilities or don’t plan to live long. I spent 10 years working CIED from the national policy level to the streets of Ass-crackistan. You have a better chance of getting away with a bank robbery than placing a device like this in an domestic urban center.

I’m quoting, because “liking” doesn’t express enough like.

[Joe in PNG]

I'm sticking to my rule about these kind of incidents- 24hrs for all the "what happened" to roll in, and another few days before the "who and why".

And I don't discount the possibility that "my side" just might be behind it.

[HCM]

True. I’d even say it’s a superhighway interchange.

But to continue your analogy, if this is the best they can do they are going the wrong way down a one way street.

This person or group shows a fair level of sophistication for a domestic incident. The complexity of the device itself, including the creepy announcement, shows a fairly high level of technical capability compared to the average attempt. But IMO it’s clear from the limited images of the blast site that there are mountains of evidence producing material and that they either underestimated our abilities or don’t plan to live long. I spent 10 years working CIED from the national policy level to the streets of Ass-crackistan. You have a better chance of getting away with a bank robbery than placing a device like this in an domestic urban center.

I'm well aware of the capabilities, but keep in mind some of those capabilities are not available in a CONUS LE setting under normal circumstances.

[Kirk]

I'm well aware of the capabilities, but keep in mind some of those capabilities are not available in a CONUS LE setting under normal circumstances.

Does the FBI/ATF have access to the capabilities? Genuinely curious as I know nothing about this stuff

[TheRoland]

I might eat my words on this, but this is my lane.

This isn't really an efficient way to disrupt the wider communications network vs some alternate targets in the area. I suspect my AT&T counterparts are having a bad day but this isn't going to bring down "the internet". I won't elaborate but there are other places within a few minutes drive that would be better for that.

Possibly ruining AT&T's vacations specifically is the target.

[HCM]

Does the FBI/ATF have access to the capabilities? Genuinely curious as I know nothing about this stuff

Do some open source searches on how IEDs and IED makers were traced in Iraq and then think about what parts of that would require legal process or be usable in a courtroom CONUS vs what is technically possible.

I'm not against any of it for .MIL use, there is no reason for the .MIL not to have every advantage OCONUS.

That's as much as needs to be discussed on an open forum.

Besides, a lot can be accomplished CONUS via old school cop "grind" type investigation - that's how the Austin bomber was identified.

[pangloss]

If this was posted upthread, I missed it, but FAA halts flights at Nashville:
https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/faa-halts-flights-at-nashville-after-massive-explosion

[MGW]

Lots of carbon visible after the explosion. Doesn’t appear to be any damage to the street at all. Gas bomb?

[ssb]

The AP is reporting on Twitter that human remains have been located in the debris.

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[CoGT3]

Apparently has disrupted 911/EMS services in parts of Tn, Ky, and Alabama.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201225/7ef9be66e4bcc5714b0efc7f2062c6bb.jpg


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[Flamingo]

True. I’d even say it’s a superhighway interchange.

But to continue your analogy, if this is the best they can do they are going the wrong way down a one way street.

This person or group shows a fair level of sophistication for a domestic incident. The complexity of the device itself, including the creepy announcement, shows a fairly high level of technical capability compared to the average attempt. But IMO it’s clear from the limited images of the blast site that there are mountains of evidence producing material and that they either underestimated our abilities or don’t plan to live long. I spent 10 years working CIED from the national policy level to the streets of Ass-crackistan. You have a better chance of getting away with a bank robbery than placing a device like this in an domestic urban center.

Were you with TF Paladin?

[EPF]

Were you with TF Paladin?

As a civilian, I was heavily involved with paladin and had guys there for years. We also trained component EOD/EN units and fusion cells pre-deployment on the latest TTPs and gadgets.

But my only experience in the IED fight in uniform was getting blown up. :)

[Flamingo]

As a civilian, I was heavily involved with paladin and had guys there for years. We also trained component EOD/EN units and fusion cells pre-deployment on the latest TTPs and gadgets.

But my only experience in the IED fight in uniform was getting blown up. :)

That is where I met John Murphy... We may have bumped into each other at sometime. I worked a gig with Silverback7 in 2010 or 2011.

[Warped Mindless]

Now investigating a running RV parked in front of a federal building in downtown Cincinnati. Bomb squad on scene.

[Lester Polfus]

Since everyone else is wildly speculating, I'll put my bet in on a lone wolf with a grudge against AT&T and no larger agenda.

[EPF]

I'm well aware of the capabilities, but keep in mind some of those capabilities are not available in a CONUS LE setting under normal circumstances.


As you’ve already said let’s not go deep into it for obvious reasons, but I will say that there are no rights violations necessary to exploit this blast site.

[HCM]

Now investigating a running RV parked in front of a federal building in downtown Cincinnati. Bomb squad on scene.

Cleared without incident.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cincinnati.com/amp/4046345001

[KellyinAvon]

Cleared without incident.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cincinnati.com/amp/4046345001

I do like a forum where I can type words like, "Who in the actual fuck thinks it's a good idea to park an RV with out of state tags near a federal building on the same day one blew up in Nashville??!!"

[Stephanie B]

I'm sticking to my rule about these kind of incidents- 24hrs for all the "what happened" to roll in, and another few days before the "who and why".

And I don't discount the possibility that "my side" just might be behind it.

Anyone who feels like speculating may want to revisit the rampant speculation that immediately followed the Oke City bombing. It's better to let the Pros from Dover do their thing, for now.

[jrm]

Am I the only one who sees this as obviously a capture from some lame video game? Or did I miss the laughter?

So I am taking this as serious maybe it is sarcastic. I cannot vouch for the authenticity of the video but it is a very accurate representation of the exact area in Nashville where this occurred. I have walked the parking lot that is being filmed across no less that 20 times. Looks legit to me and seems like an awful quick turn around for some kind of cgi fake.

[RJ]

Mayor Cooper gives an update this evening.


https://youtu.be/IRQhDKx8ocg

[Cookie Monster]

Video of alleged recording being reported by eyewitnesses adjacent to the RV prior to blast.


https://youtu.be/5nygTJeu9fU

Who the f was the dog walker at 3:15? Crazy.

[El Cid]

Who the f was the dog walker at 3:15? Crazy.

Having worked shifts (days, swings, and mids) at one point in my life that doesn’t seem strange to me.

[Rex G]

Who the f was the dog walker at 3:15? Crazy.

Well, if the dogs whine at 0315 hours, I can take them for a walk, or I can wake up at dawn and clean up the puddle.

Edited to add: If they whine at 0315, it is usually because I did not take them out one last time, the night before. Not that 0315 is all that early, as I tend to awaken somewhere between 0400 and 0500, many morning, anyway.

[Rex G]

Not sure if there is a linkage, but the RV was in front of an AT&T facility. And many AT&T customers in the southeast are reporting issues. The AT&T mobile phone network is suffering from outages centered around Nashville. All the way from Lexington, KY, to Memphis, TN, to Atlanta, GA. https://downdetector.com/status/att/map/

Obviously, the bomber was tired of getting calls about his extended vehicle warranty.

[TGS]

Having worked shifts (days, swings, and mids) at one point in my life that doesn’t seem strange to me.


Well, if the dogs whine at 0315 hours, I can take them for a walk, or I can wake up at dawn and clean up the puddle.

I took his point to be about who the fuck decides to walk non-chalantly through a fresh blast scene while ash is probably still floating down in the air....not necessarily the fact that somebody was simply out walking a dog in the middle of the night.

Whether he's just a mindless dolt or was associated with the explosion, this dog walker would be a high priority to intercept for multiple reasons.

[Stephanie B]

Obviously, the bomber was tired of getting calls about his extended vehicle warranty.

It's worse in the UK, where the billboards will nag you about that if you have a Beemer (http://https://www.thedrive.com/news/38406/bmw-will-publicly-shame-out-of-warranty-drivers-with-smart-billboards-and-license-plate-readers).

[NGP]

I'm not quite understanding the jump to "idiot dog walker". The man looked to be hurriedly evacuating the area, after the explosion, with his dog. Why would you not gtfo after such an event?

[Rex G]

I'm not quite understanding the jump to "idiot dog walker". The man looked to be hurriedly evacuating the area, after the explosion, with his dog. Why would you not gtfo after such an event?

Or, hurrying to go check on someone. The possibilities are endless. It does merit an investigative interview.

[Cookie Monster]

I'm not quite understanding the jump to "idiot dog walker". The man looked to be hurriedly evacuating the area, after the explosion, with his dog. Why would you not gtfo after such an event?

I didn’t see the dog walker as an idiot, more as either very unaware or just thug life, zero fucks. He didn’t seem to be in a hurry or evacuating. Just my view.

[blues]

I didn’t see the dog walker as an idiot, more as either very unaware or just thug life, zero fucks. He didn’t seem to be in a hurry or evacuating. Just my view.

Was he heard muttering "Yippee Ki Yay" under his breath?

[Borderland]

This is probably a wake up call for the vulnerability of our communication grid. A few of those strategically placed around the country could have a disastrous effect. Evidently AT&T has a lot of pissed off customers right now. I have a friend who is a supervisor for AT&T. I'll see if she has any inside corporate information that she can disclose. Not going to bet on it though.

Nothing like losing your ability to call 911 or coordinate an emergency response. I know that the county where I worked relies on one tower on a very high mountain peak to facilitate emergency response. That isn't public information.

[Kanye Wyoming]

Interesting Twitter thread, which you can read as one document at the link below.



The Nashville Christmas Bombing is incredibly unusual for a few reasons. The facts we think we know so far — and things may change as new information emerges — paint a picture that is different than any other attack on U.S. soil.

It raises some serious questions.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1342586114771714048.html

[Borderland]

Was he heard muttering "Yippee Ki Yay" under his breath?

Maybe he lived in Beirut for awhile.

[TGS]

I'm not quite understanding the jump to "idiot dog walker". The man looked to be hurriedly evacuating the area, after the explosion, with his dog. Why would you not gtfo after such an event?

The quickest way to hurriedly evacuate that area is not to walk through the bombing site. I disagree that he was hurried, as well. Looked to just be walking leisurely, no hustle.

If he wanted to GTFO after such an event, he would've walked the opposite way, not continued walking towards and through the blast scene.

Protip: Don't walk through a blast scene immediately following the blast, and don't try to collect any memorabilia to bring home with you (including stuff that sticks to your shoes). There's investigative steps/techniques and terrorist TTPs that I don't feel comfortable discussing on a public forum (regardless of such information likely being public to a degree, it's just bad taste for someone with a post-blast investigation cert to do), but it's just not a complication you want to involve yourself in, same as it'd be pretty dumb to walk non-chalantly through the pooled blood of someone who was just stabbed on the sidewalk when you could've walked the other way, avoiding the crime scene.

[Robert Mitchum]

A friends Dog ate someone down town

https://youtu.be/NUY5sAezTVI

[NGP]

The opposite way was indeed where the blast came from, if you watch him cross the street his pace moves from careful to quick, it appeared to me the seemingly nonchalant movement was him negotiating debris. I could well be wrong, and it doesn’t much matter in the scheme of things anyway, just thought it was an odd take.

[Glenn E. Meyer]

Person of interest and police activity in Antioch.

[DDTSGM]

Person of interest and police activity in Antioch.

Kind of cryptic, link? further info?

[Lon]

Kind of cryptic, link? further info?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/nashville-bombing-person-of-interest-identified/

[Glenn E. Meyer]

CNN just said that when I posted but a minute ago, they named him and I found a link:

https://heavy.com/news/anthony-quinn-warner/

[jh9]

CNN just said that when I posted but a minute ago, they named him and I found a link:

https://heavy.com/news/anthony-quinn-warner/

A "person of interest" has been named.

And then what follows is like eight pages of people who failed to learn from the whole "reddit finds the boston bomber" fiasco. Complete with "he had a similar lookin RV", google maps screenshots of the address of some dude with the same name (maybe right, maybe not) and amateur online records searches with the obligatory neighbor who described him as "quiet".

WCGW? :confused:

[Kanye Wyoming]

A "person of interest" has been named.

65232

As bad as things may be, we can be grateful we still have her to kick around.

[ccmdfd]

What happened to the human remains being found story?

I don't see it mentioned on any news channels now.

[blues]

What happened to the human remains being found story?

I don't see it mentioned on any news channels now.

They were still referencing it on, (gasp), CNN within the past hour. (Don't blame me. I wasn't interested in another Tucker Carlson Covid Special.)

[ccmdfd]

They were still referencing it on, (gasp), CNN within the past hour. (Don't blame me. I wasn't interested in another Tucker Carlson Covid Special.)

You watching CNN? Yet another sign of the end of times! :)

I've looked at their website and didn't see it mentioned. Must be buried somewhere in the crap.

[HCM]

You watching CNN? Yet another sign of the end of times! :)

I've looked at their website and didn't see it mentioned. Must be buried somewhere in the crap.

Given the llikely condition of the remains it's unlikely there will be anything to report until DNA test results come in.

[RJ]

I am probably mistaken but seem to recall hearing an eyewitness indicate the blast occurred when the ‘warning’ message being broadcast reached 8 minutes. One wonders if the person currently being swept up in a dustpan got caught cutting the fuse a bit short.

[ccmdfd]

CNN now reporting this is a suspected suicide bombing.

[BehindBlueI's]

CNN now reporting this is a suspected suicide bombing.

Kind of what I figured when they said there was a body. The equivalent of the monks who set themselves on fire in protest, an activist suicide to attempt to draw attention to whatever the person wanted to draw attention to. The media will give it him his desire.

[Jim Watson]

AT&T cell service back up here. Lily is putting in overtime.

[DDTSGM]

AT&T cell service back up here. Lily is putting in overtime.

This Lily?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BVRlwfKQ8c

[Jim Watson]

Buxom chick in ATT commercials.

[DDTSGM]

Buxom chick in ATT commercials.

Ahh. Looks like she spent some money on enhancements at some point.

[Jim Watson]

Don't they all?

[HCM]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9090067/PICTURED-Mother-29-given-TWO-free-homes-worth-409K-Nashville-bomber.html

EXCLUSIVE - PICTURED: Mother, 29, given TWO free homes worth $409K by 'Nashville bomber', 63, who says she had no idea he had signed over his current property to her a month ago as FBI raids it and probe claims he was paranoid about 5G spying on Americans
On Saturday, reports surfaced that local man Anthony Quinn Warner was a person of interest in an explosion that occurred on 2nd Avenue in Nashville's downtown at 6.40am on Christmas morning
Three people were injured and severe damage was reported in the blast
Cops had been called to the area a short time before amid reports of a shooting
However, when they arrived at the scene, they discovered a parked RV playing a recording that claimed the vehicle would explode in 15 minutes
Officials now say they believe the blast was the result of a suicide bombing
The incident has led investigators on a wild chase to determine the identity of the RV's owner
Warner reportedly owned a white RV similar to the one which exploded, and federal agents were seen outside his house Saturday, removing items from the basement of the home
Authorities will swab Warner's mother to determine if he is a match to remains found at the bomb site
DailyMail.com can exclusively reveal Warner gave the $160,000 home away for free last month
Michelle Swing, a 29-year-old woman living in Los Angeles, was given the house but it is not known whether she had ever met Warner or whether she had family links to him
Swing claims she had no idea that Warner had signed over the property to her
Warner had also transfered her a nearby house worth $249,000 for free in January 2019

[blues]

I guess his parents liked movie stars and at least one particular studio.

[5pins]

So two years ago this guy gives her, Michelle Swing, a house for free. She then gives the same house away to an elderly woman named Betty Christine two months later. This just gets stranger by the moment.

[Kanye Wyoming]

I guess his parents liked movie stars and at least one particular studio.
News breaking of a second bomber - Barbara Stanwyck Goldwyn.

[awp_101]

I guess his parents liked movie stars and at least one particular studio.

Wonder if he had a brother? And maybe a sister named Dot? (She's the cute one...)

[Jim Watson]

I figure there is a fair chance the bomb people will find a piece of camper with a VIN which will tell the tale.
Mom's DNA, that, too.

I haven't seen even speculation as to what the explosive was. Any ideas out there?

[03RN]

Ive been really busy so I haven't dug very deep.

From what I quickly gathered is that it's really weird and reads like Bracken wrote the events out.

[Chance]

From The Wall Street Journal (https://www.wsj.com/articles/nashville-bombing-may-have-been-intended-to-damage-at-t-building-mayor-says-11609092329):


The person who set off a bomb in a recreational vehicle in downtown Nashville early Christmas morning was likely motivated by a desire to damage a nearby AT&T switching station, the mayor of Tennessee’s biggest city said Sunday.

Speaking on CBS’s “Face the Nation,” Nashville Mayor John Cooper said, “To all of us locally, it feels like there has to be some connection with the AT&T facility and the site of the bombing.”

Intelligence officials have considered whether the AT&T building was targeted in the bombing, according to a person briefed on the investigation.

....

Friday’s explosion next to the AT&T switching station knocked out cellular service in much of Tennessee, Kentucky and Northern Alabama. The telecom company said Sunday morning that 65% of mobility sites affected by the explosion had been restored and portable cell sites were being used to help provide coverage in other areas. Workers pumped more than 3 feet of water out of the damaged building’s basement, and 24 trailers with disaster recovery equipment are en route as the company works to restore internet and landline phone service.

[Totem Polar]

At least the bomber(s) had a sense of humor.

Can’t make this shit up:

NASHVILLE, Tenn. (WZTV) — Prior to warning message that came from an RV that exploded in downtown Nashville, a popular song was emitting from the vehicle.

Metro Police confirmed Sunday that song coming from the RV was "Downtown," by Petula Clark.

- - -


[Verse 1]
When you're alone and life is making you lonely
You can always blow
downtown
When you've got 5g worries, quitclaimed your homes in a hurry
Seems to help, to blow,
downtown

[Pre-Chorus]
Just listen to the music of a countdown in the city
Park yer RV on the sidewalk where the neon signs are pretty
How can you lose?
The boom is much bigger there
You can forget all your troubles, forget all your cares

[Chorus]
So go
downtown
Things will be great when you park
downtown
No finer place for fear,
downtown
Everything's waiting for you

[Bucky]

From The Wall Street Journal (https://www.wsj.com/articles/nashville-bombing-may-have-been-intended-to-damage-at-t-building-mayor-says-11609092329):

It’s been confirmed, the person responsible’s name is Vera Izon.

[HCM]

It’s been confirmed, the person responsible’s name is Vera Izon.

Can you hear me now bitches ? ;)

[blues]

It’s been confirmed, the person responsible’s name is Vera Izon.


Can you hear me now bitches ? ;)


https://i.pinimg.com/originals/3f/be/dd/3fbeddebc21d24d87e78a85e817281ac.jpg

[TC215]

At least the bomber(s) had a sense of humor.

Can’t make this shit up:

NASHVILLE, Tenn. (WZTV) — Prior to warning message that came from an RV that exploded in downtown Nashville, a popular song was emitting from the vehicle.

Metro Police confirmed Sunday that song coming from the RV was "Downtown," by Petula Clark.

- - -


[Verse 1]
When you're alone and life is making you lonely
You can always blow
downtown
When you've got 5g worries, quitclaimed your homes in a hurry
Seems to help, to blow,
downtown

[Pre-Chorus]
Just listen to the music of a countdown in the city
Park yer RV on the sidewalk where the neon signs are pretty
How can you lose?
The boom is much bigger there
You can forget all your troubles, forget all your cares

[Chorus]
So go
downtown
Things will be great when you park
downtown
No finer place for fear,
downtown
Everything's waiting for you


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzUICBMQBNU

[HCM]

Getting back to possible motivations, the neo-luddite movement has previously assessed as a potential threat though I don't necessarily agree they are "right wing." The convergence of neo luddites and anti government groups is more a marriage of convenience like the links between the boogaloo movement and BLM.

https://www.lawfareblog.com/terrorist-threat-fractured-far-right


Neo-Luddites

In January, before the full force of the coronavirus pandemic hit the West, terrorism scholar Colin Clarke warned that “neo-Luddites”—individuals motivated by Unabomber-like theories about technological advancement and the degradation of society—might present an additional terrorism threat. The prediction has proved accurate. Over the past several months, a number of violent incidents have been attributed to these extremists. Attacks have been mounted against hospitals and health care facilities—most notably, one neo-Nazi killed himself during a shootout with authorities who foiled his effort to detonate an explosive at a Missouri hospital—while 5G technology, which some extremists link to the spread of the virus, is also increasingly threatened.

The novel coronavirus has had a particularly strong impact in empowering and publicizing anti-modernity causes, most clearly visible in the emergence of armed anti-lockdown and anti-mask protests. Beginning in Lansing, Michigan, in April, armed groups that refuse to accept the scientific consensus on the coronavirus have descended on state capitols to protest stay-at-home orders—sometimes encouraged by the president, most notably through his “LIBERATE” tweets aimed at various states. These groups benefit from a confluence with anti-government movements that see mask mandates as the latest manifestation of tyrannical government overreach. This overlap is evidenced by the frequent appearance of the bright yellow “Don’t Tread On Me” Gadsden flag at such protests.

The threat from neo-Luddites, including the anti-vaccine movement, may intensify as a coronavirus vaccine becomes widely available, or should new lockdowns or sustained mask-wearing mandates take effect.

[blues]

Well, if the Neo-Luddites had any sense of fair play, they wouldn't be driving an RV to the site, and they should limit themselves to throwing rocks and hurling epithets.

Are there no standards anymore?

[Coyotesfan97]

https://youtu.be/gLXXJwtkg2g

[HCM]

The nut cases are coming out of the woodwork...


https://www.foxnews.com/us/white-box-truck-playing-audio-similar-to-rv-in-nashville-explosion-shuts-down-tennessee-highway?fbclid=IwAR3iNxRBdu6D9LeS4lUUAWChVNXJGpd1r U2aWbYMrLX-EZzvnS7rslzWkPQ

White box truck playing audio 'similar' to RV in Nashville explosion shuts down Tennessee highway
The driver of the vehicle has been detained by police.


Police in Rutherford and Wilson counties in Tennessee are investigating a white box truck parked outside of a local convenience store playing audio "similar to what was heard before the Christmas Day explosion in Nashville."

According to a statement by the Rutherford County Sheriff's Office, dispatchers received a call at about 10:30 a.m. regarding the truck, which was parked at Crossroads Market in Walter Hill.

Police said deputies located the truck, which had traveled from Rutherford County into Wilson County, and proceeded to make a traffic stop. The driver was then detained by police.

[Baldanders]

Getting back to possible motivations, the neo-luddite movement has previously assessed as a potential threat though I don't necessarily agree they are "right wing." The convergence of neo luddites and anti government groups is more a marriage of convenience like the links between the boogaloo movement and BLM.

https://www.lawfareblog.com/terrorist-threat-fractured-far-right

The inheritors of Ted Kaczynski?

Trying to put these guys on the left/right spectrum is a waste of time, IMO. Their core concerns are way outside traditional political concerns and their ideal society is far more "radical" than any fascist or communist utopian vision. I think of them as the "Tyler Durden" crowd, envisioning tanning their own leather, living in teepees and having most kids die in childbirth, yay.

I'm sure you could find individuals who are neo-luddites who express all sorts of fringe right and left ideas, but so what?

ETA: once they go "eco-fascist" they pretty much fit into the same mold as any other neo-nazi--"let's kill some brown people." I don't see the difference, functionally.

My linkage of "eco-fascist" and "neo-luddite" may be a bit off base but I see some similarities.

I hope your excellent article doesn't prove too prophetic in its two closing paragraphs. 😬

[GJM]

Just watched the news conference where they announced solving this crime. Can’t be sure, but thought I heard the ATF agent in charge thank the 90 Republican members of Congress for getting the brace notice pulled, as it freed up enough ATF enforcement assets to quickly crack this.

[HCM]

The inheritors of Ted Kaczynski?

Trying to put these guys on the left/right spectrum is a waste of time, IMO. Their core concerns are way outside traditional political concerns and their ideal society is far more "radical" than any fascist or communist utopian vision. I think of them as the "Tyler Durden" crowd, envisioning tanning their own leather, living in teepees and having most kids die in childbirth, yay.

I'm sure you could find individuals who are neo-luddites who express all sorts of fringe right and left ideas, but so what?

ETA: once they go "eco-fascist" they pretty much fit into the same mold as any other neo-nazi--"let's kill some brown people." I don't see the difference, functionally.

My linkage of "eco-fascist" and "neo-luddite" may be a bit off base but I see some similarities.

I hope your excellent article doesn't prove too prophetic in its two closing paragraphs. 😬

I agree that like the Boogaloo movement they don’t fit on the traditional left/right axis.

I mention it because the linked article, while otherwise pretty spot on, associates them with the right due to the convergent interests with the anti Gov groups.

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[Borderland]

Just watched the news conference where they announced solving this crime. Can’t be sure, but thought I heard the ATF agent in charge thank the 90 Republican members of Congress for getting the brace notice pulled, as it freed up enough ATF enforcement assets to quickly crack this.

:D

At least they got some quality photo ops.

[Baldanders]

I agree that like the Boogaloo movement they don’t fit on the traditional left/right axis.

I mention it because the linked article, while otherwise pretty spot on, associates them with the right due to the convergent interests with the anti Gov groups.



Yeah, I think at this point "far right" has been used so much it has its own inertia. We could use a new term to cover groups that fit into this mileu. Maybe "insurrectionist?"

I am nitpicky enough to not like the "far right" label used to describe the Proud Boys. "Right," yes, and certainly willing to fight in the streets, but Alt-Right is more accurate. They may be adjacent to neo-Nazis at times, but they have enough differences to set them apart, especially in their higher number of non-White members. Lumping them in with groups like Atomwaffen is a mistake, IMO, especially if you are talking to one of their members or sympathizers.

I could see young men who went non-racist skinhead in the 80s-90s going Proud Boy now. Many similarities, down to some minority membership. I will never forget hearing a Black Skinhead rant about the first skins being Jamaican, which is true.

[Joe in PNG]

Once you pass a certain Ideological Event Horizon, traditional labels lose their meanings, and as per Blair's Law (https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Blair%27s%20Law), become "one giant, useless force."

[HCM]

Yeah, I think at this point "far right" has been used so much it has its own inertia. We could use a new term to cover groups that fit into this mileu. Maybe "insurrectionist?"

I am nitpicky enough to not like the "far right" label used to describe the Proud Boys. "Right," yes, and certainly willing to fight in the streets, but Alt-Right is more accurate. They may be adjacent to neo-Nazis at times, but they have enough differences to set them apart, especially in their higher number of non-White members. Lumping them in with groups like Atomwaffen is a mistake, IMO, especially if you are talking to one of their members or sympathizers.

I could see young men who went non-racist skinhead in the 80s-90s going Proud Boy now. Many similarities, down to some minority membership. I will never forget hearing a Black Skinhead rant about the first skins being Jamaican, which is true.

Far-right and alt-right are the same thing.

The confusion is due to the media, SPLC etc incorrectly making far right and racist / white supremacist synonymous, which they are not.

Using your examples, the proud boys are definitely far/alt right but they are not racist. Where as Atomwaffen is both far right and racist, as well as accelerationist.

Meaning they want to do what ever will accelerate the fall of the current social order so that they can replace it with their own vision. The Manson family’s “Helter skelter” being a classic example of an aspiring accelerationist ideology.

Accelerationist is a more accurate description of many contemporary extremist groups from Atomwaffen, the Boogaloo and neo-Luddite movements to the various ANTIFA identity groups.

[revchuck38]

From the NYT (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/26/us/nashville-bomb-explosion.html?campaign_id=60&emc=edit_na_20201227&instance_id=0&nl=breaking-news&ref=headline&regi_id=106693596&segment_id=47890&user_id=671ca20937b9e3c63ee2cbd2ca3c5541).

[Baldanders]

Far-right and alt-right are the same thing.

The confusion is due to the media, SPLC etc incorrectly making far right and racist / white supremacist synonymous, which they are not.

Using your examples, the proud boys are definitely far/alt right but they are not racist. Where as Atomwaffen is both far right and racist, as well as accelerationist.

Meaning they want to do what ever will accelerate the fall of the current social order so that they can replace it with their own vision. The Manson family’s “Helter skelter” being a classic example of an aspiring accelerationist ideology.

Accelerationist is a more accurate description of many contemporary extremist groups from Atomwaffen, the Boogaloo and neo-Luddite movements to the various ANTIFA identity groups.

Good summary!

Yes I fell into SPLC nomenclature. I guess I still tend to put groups that are more savvy about the internet/communications into the "Alt-Right" bucket, while groups that only speak to the converted I plop into the far right bucket.

But a difference in messaging isn't equivalent to a difference in ideology.

[HCM]

Good summary!

Yes I fell into SPLC nomenclature. I guess I still tend to put groups that are more savvy about the internet/communications into the "Alt-Right" bucket, while groups that only speak to the converted I plop into the far right bucket.

But a difference in messaging isn't equivalent to a difference in ideology.

Exactly - radical Jihadists didn’t become “alt-Jihadi” when the figured out how to get people to self radicalize online, they just put an 8th century message in a 21st century format.

[Jeff22]

And I just saw a Facebook post about Dominion voting machines being examined at that AT&T facility in Nashville next to where the RV exploded . . . the conspiracy theorists will be spinning all week about this incident.

[Borderland]

Yeah, I think at this point "far right" has been used so much it has its own inertia. We could use a new term to cover groups that fit into this mileu. Maybe "insurrectionist?"

I am nitpicky enough to not like the "far right" label used to describe the Proud Boys. "Right," yes, and certainly willing to fight in the streets, but Alt-Right is more accurate. They may be adjacent to neo-Nazis at times, but they have enough differences to set them apart, especially in their higher number of non-White members. Lumping them in with groups like Atomwaffen is a mistake, IMO, especially if you are talking to one of their members or sympathizers.

I could see young men who went non-racist skinhead in the 80s-90s going Proud Boy now. Many similarities, down to some minority membership. I will never forget hearing a Black Skinhead rant about the first skins being Jamaican, which is true.

I vote insurrectionist.

It's amazing to me when a bomb goes off or a train derails people want to immediately associate that with some left or right wing organization so they can politicize it and denounce the group responsible.

I watched the CHOP incident in Seattle with some amusement because most of those protesters and rioters had no idea why they were even there other than to fight the police. I wonder what some of those rioters are doing today. They probably went back to their union jobs or boxing up your Amazon order. Antifa or Proud Boys is just an excuse for insurrection. Every insurrectionist needs a flag and a mantra to feel legit and loved. It's also cool to get a tat so people will know you're serious about your politics and tribe.

Insurrection may become the next national sport when the NFL folds up.

[ffhounddog]

I still vote old dude upset that people are actually having fun and not abiding by the stupid C19 rules unelected doctors are imposing on healthy people in violation of the constitution in other states since Tennessee when I am there is pretty low key and I did not have to wear a mask when walking outside like a lot of stupid people want you to even if you are healthy.

Or he was asked to wash his hands and he got pissed because he was wearing a mask.

[andre3k]

I think it's probably just an old dude that got frustrated with life for whatever reason and wanted to commit suicide. He had an RV and skills to build the device and now his name is known. He'll be a case study for every new bomb tech in the US for quite a while. In his mind it probably beat eating his pistol and hoping someone finds him.

[jrm]

I think it's probably just an old dude that got frustrated with life for whatever reason and wanted to commit suicide. He had an RV and skills to build the device and now his name is known. He'll be a case study for every new bomb tech in the US for quite a while. In his mind it probably beat eating his pistol and hoping someone finds him.

I think you are probably right. Reports of giving away stuff and saying he had cancer and playing a song about being lonely are making me lean toward flashy suicide. May have been the site of a bad date or getting stood up or something who knows. I would have expected a manifesto of some sort if it were politically or conspiracy motivated. If I were pissed people were partying the bars with music and everything are just around the corner. This street is mostly restaurants not the main party scene.

[Glenn E. Meyer]

This echoes some analyses of rampage shooters who want to get taken out by the law. They want to die for some reason. Depression, social isolation, politics, religion, health problems (?), they want revenge for something. They want to make their oppressors suffer and (this is important) are engaging what is called reciprocal altruism. They feel that the bad people are doing bad to other people and their actions will stop some bad people and also give a message to society to deal with these bad people. That is their altruistic method. They also want to die a 'warriors' death of self-sacrifice. Being a warrior is important and is slightly different from folks who kill themselves to punish folks by laying a guilt trip on them. If only we were nice to pathetic Somebody, he or she wouldn't have killed himself or herself. The suicide is to make the survivors feel guility. In this case, folks get together and morn you. Sadly, I have been to such events.

Now, both set of suicide actors fantasize the reaction to their deaths. This fantasy is called vicarious reinforcement. Obviously, you get no reinforcement for the action as you are dead. So the pre-death fantasy reinforces and motivates you.

This could be BS in this case, but it's a common analysis.

PS - the tube said that the bomber said to a neighbor something like: I will be so famous, everyone in Nashville will know me.

[45dotACP]

So...maybe it's not as surprising to everyone as it is to me, because you can learn literally anything online, but the fact that some damn nobody in middle America just puzzles out how to build a fucking IED changes my view of what grave extremes I ought to be training and preparing for.

More tourniquets are on route to my apartment.

I really ought to take a TCC first aid class.

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[TheRoland]

So...maybe it's not as surprising to everyone as it is to me, because you can learn literally anything online, but the fact that some damn nobody in middle America just puzzles out how to build a fucking IED changes my view of what grave extremes I ought to be training and preparing for.

More tourniquets are on route to my apartment.

I really ought to take a TCC first aid class.

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It's been this way for a while. The Boston Bomber was a rando teenager.

[andre3k]

I think you are probably right. Reports of giving away stuff and saying he had cancer and playing a song about being lonely are making me lean toward flashy suicide. May have been the site of a bad date or getting stood up or something who knows. I would have expected a manifesto of some sort if it were politically or conspiracy motivated. If I were pissed people were partying the bars with music and everything are just around the corner. This street is mostly restaurants not the main party scene.Reminiscent of the Marvin Heemeyer incident. His situation might be a bit different in that he specifically targeted those that he felt had wronged him, but I think his end goal wasn't to hurt innocent parties.


https://youtu.be/yb1hQfo4nFY

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[Oldherkpilot]

So...maybe it's not as surprising to everyone as it is to me, because you can learn literally anything online, but the fact that some damn nobody in middle America just puzzles out how to build a fucking IED changes my view of what grave extremes I ought to be training and preparing for.

More tourniquets are on route to my apartment.

I really ought to take a TCC first aid class.

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Absolutely take a TCCC course. You'll be glad you did.

[Cory]

So...maybe it's not as surprising to everyone as it is to me, because you can learn literally anything online, but the fact that some damn nobody in middle America just puzzles out how to build a fucking IED changes my view of what grave extremes I ought to be training and preparing for.

More tourniquets are on route to my apartment.

I really ought to take a TCC first aid class.

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The Army manual for many topics, like improvised munitions, can be found online for download. That also includes combat life saver, TCCC and others. Some manuals you find may be older, but the internet is an amazing resource for information.

[MickAK]

So...maybe it's not as surprising to everyone as it is to me, because you can learn literally anything online, but the fact that some damn nobody in middle America just puzzles out how to build a fucking IED changes my view of what grave extremes I ought to be training and preparing for.

More tourniquets are on route to my apartment.

I really ought to take a TCC first aid class.

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More tourniquets are always good. They make great presents or accessory presents if your SO picked the main present.

In industrial settings you learn that lots of things want to blow up, the hard part is stopping them.

Take a TCCC course if you can. IIRC you're a medical guy, but I ended up in a situation a few months ago where I had to direct the first aid being done on me and having those lessons be fresh was essential with the pain and the shock clouding my mind and scared dumbasses doing the work.

[randyho]

Anti-modernity causes...
WTF is an anti-modernity cause? Is that woke-speak for someone who's read the constitution?!

And am I the only one who's read Ted's manifesto?

[HCM]

WTF is an anti-modernity cause? Is that woke-speak for someone who's read the constitution?!

And am I the only one who's read Ted's manifesto?

It’s just another descriptor for neo-luddites, people who hate technology and think it’s harm outweighs it’s benefits and/or that it will destroy humanity.

It has fuck all to do with reading the constitution and privacy issues. You’re thinking too small. Economics, culture, and even the future form of humanity for starters.

Ted Kaczynski is neither the origin, nor the sum of the neo-Luddite movement.

[TGS]

So...maybe it's not as surprising to everyone as it is to me, because you can learn literally anything online, but the fact that some damn nobody in middle America just puzzles out how to build a fucking IED changes my view of what grave extremes I ought to be training and preparing for.

Having built 6 type of IED circuits myself, they're not terribly hard provided competent instruction on how/why stuff works. I could build a simple victim-initiated IED from memory without much worry....a command initiated or timer initiated I'd be less confident in building a good one, and it'd certainly take a lot of practice runs before I felt comfortable building it "live".

Most of the IEDs employed in GWOT were made by people with zero training/background using instructions in newsletters, hence why it wasn't uncommon for random Jihad Johnny houses to go boom on accident (same with domestic terrorists, see lower Manhattan/Weather Underground).

With the bomber's apparent background, IED circuity would be pretty simple for him.




I really ought to take a TCC first aid class.


Especially so, given the NAEMT TCCC/TECC for medical providers isn't "first aid". :) It's an ALS level certification course going over fluid resuscitation, drug administration, emergency airways, etc.

I would think that you could get CEUs from it, though I never looked into that from the RN perspective.

ETA: Now you're getting me all excited for training next week. My PA and I are going to do a dry-run of our blood transfusion plan, we've been diving into THOR with vigor :)

[Welder]

In industrial settings you learn that lots of things want to blow up, the hard part is stopping them.

Amen to that! About 2 years ago I spent a good part of the year demo'ing out a clothing printing factory. It was the most comprehensive gathering of explosion-proof lighting and switches I've come across to date. I stripped them all and bought them as scrap...when / if I get some slow time, I probably have $20k worth of that stuff to clean up and resell, and that's figuring them going for pennies on the dollar compared to their new costs. A dual-tube explosion-proof fluorescent light fixture goes for $1k-$3k new depending on brand and where you buy. I think I have 50 of them here? Or so. Plus piles of related switches, j-boxes, a big breaker box or two....it's really pretty cool stuff, has a real art-deco look to it.

[ST911]

Take: CPR and Stop the Bleed. 90% solution to stuff you can do stuff about.
Next option: TCCC/TECC, NOLS Wilderness First Aid

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So...maybe it's not as surprising to everyone as it is to me, because you can learn literally anything online, but the fact that some damn nobody in middle America just puzzles out how to build a fucking IED changes my view of what grave extremes I ought to be training and preparing for.

More tourniquets are on route to my apartment.

I really ought to take a TCC first aid class.

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You can hardly find classes because of covid. North American Rescue has videos.
https://www.narescue.com/education/educational-videos.html?___store=default
They also offer Substantial discounts to multiple groups. Vets police medical etc etc.
I use HSA to buy mine.

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Amen to that! About 2 years ago I spent a good part of the year demo'ing out a clothing printing factory. It was the most comprehensive gathering of explosion-proof lighting and switches I've come across to date. I stripped them all and bought them as scrap...when / if I get some slow time, I probably have $20k worth of that stuff to clean up and resell, and that's figuring them going for pennies on the dollar compared to their new costs. A dual-tube explosion-proof fluorescent light fixture goes for $1k-$3k new depending on brand and where you buy. I think I have 50 of them here? Or so. Plus piles of related switches, j-boxes, a big breaker box or two....it's really pretty cool stuff, has a real art-deco look to it.

Shoot me a PM. I spent 30+ years as an industrial Electrician. One of the guys I trained has started his own business and could have a need for some of that stuff.

[DC_P]

Insurrection may become the next national sport when the NFL folds up.

Hard to say which players I would find more unlikable.

[Glenn E. Meyer]

Greg has a good article on bombing: https://www.activeresponsetraining.net/all-about-bombs

I was in an NTI exercise where I came across a guy (dummy) in a vest. I decided to see if he was a hostage (maybe cut the blue wire). I was blown up. Oops. Next time, flee! Some opinion was that I should have shot him in the head. But with a dead man's switch, I would have died anyway.

The point of getting out of the radius is well taken. I mentioned the silly exercises at work where everyone huddled at the door to get back to the office, rather than getting away. The folks running the exercise never mentioned this or tried to tell folks to do this, even with a real called in threat (which was fake).

[HCM]

https://www.newschannel5.com/news/newschannel-5-investigates/warners-girlfriend-warned-police-he-was-building-bombs-in-his-rv-last-year

Anthony Warner's girlfriend warned police he was building bombs in his RV last year


NASHVILLE, Tenn. (WTVF) — Police were warned Anthony Warner was making bombs in his RV more than a year before his Christmas morning attack in downtown Nashville.

The tip came from Warner's distraught girlfriend in August of 2019.

Police went to Warner's home the day of the complaint, but were unable to make contact with him.

The case was later closed as unfounded.

The police report from August 21, 2019, shows police responded to the home of a woman who had threatened to kill herself.

She told officers that her boyfriend - Anthony Warner - "was building bombs in the RV trailer at his residence."

The police report states that an attorney who was also there and represented both the woman and Warner - told police that Warner "frequently talks about the military and bomb making."

Attorney Ray Throckmorton told police that Warner "knows what he is doing and is capable of making a bomb."

"I made a report on the spot for him to get checked out and I did all that I knew I could do," Throckmorton said.

Throckmorton said he had represented Warner in the past on various real estate issues, but he believed what Warner's girlfriend was saying.

"She was so convincing that morning, and so distraught, that I decided in the front yard in the middle of all those police officers on the spot, that even though it was a former client of mine, that somebody needed to go check it out right then," Throckmorton said.

The police report reveals officers went to Warner's home on Bakertown Road.

It states "Police observed that there was an RV trailer in the backyard but the yard was fenced off and police could not see inside the RV."

Police noted there were several security cameras wired to an alarm sign on the door.

The report states, "Police attempted several times but could not get the suspect to open the door and police did not have contact with him."

"I am floored the report says that," Throckmorton said. "And to find that out now."

Metro police spokesman Don Aaron told NewsChannel 5 Investigates that officers "saw no evidence of a crime and had no authority to enter his home or fenced property."



Police Report here:
https://ewscripps.brightspotcdn.com/54/59/9cf61cb84293be9bab10484f0989/watermarked-pdf.pdf

[HCM]

https://www.lawofficer.com/nashville-bomber-apparently-had-decades-old-hatred-for-police/

Nashville bomber apparently had decades-old hatred for police

[Jim Watson]

Agree with the comments, sounds like he was nominated to a court or cabinet job, what with digging up stuff 40 years old.

[HCM]

Unattended RV's are now the Ryder Trucks of 2020...

Downtown Lexington KY evacuated due to RV based bomb scare

https://www.lex18.com/news/covering-kentucky/lexington-police-investigating-situation-downtown

Update: No bomb located in RV in downtown Lexington




Around 7:40 pm Thursday, an officer noticed a large RV parked in a downtown parking lot. Given the circumstances, an explosives detection canine was brought in, and it “alerted” to the vehicle.

https://twitter.com/lexkypolice/status/1344846973585784832?s=20

[HCM]

https://news.yahoo.com/nashville-bomber-linked-to-lizard-people-myth-investigators-say-013342704.html

Nashville bomber linked to 'lizard people' myth, investigators say


As investigators search for a possible motive behind the Christmas Day suicide bombing that rocked downtown Nashville, injuring three people and destroying several buildings, new details have emerged about the peculiar beliefs of the suspected bomber.

NBC News reported Wednesday that investigators have obtained evidence that Anthony Quinn Warner, who died in the explosion, may have subscribed to a conspiracy theory that many of the world’s most powerful figures, from Barack Obama to the late Bob Hope, are actually evil, lizard-like extraterrestrials in disguise. Officials told NBC News that investigators, who have been questioning friends and acquaintances and searching for clues of a possible motive for the bombing, have become aware of statements Warner made about the lizard people conspiracy theory — though it wasn’t immediately clear what those statements were. Authorities also reported that Warner made statements to others about hunting possible aliens during previous camping trips he took in his RV.

The so-called lizard people conspiracy theory has taken a back seat to some of the newer and more widely publicized baseless beliefs that have come to dominate the conspiracy landscape in recent years. But in 2013, a survey conducted by Public Policy Polling found that 12 million Americans believed that the country was run by lizard people in suits.

[TGS]

Oh dear. Not the lizard people.

They know the lizard people is a joke, right? I mean, I'm sure there's some crazy out there that actually believes it, but I'd bet money that nearly all 12 million people are just using "lizard people" as a rhetorical device. I'm one of them.....better get a TECS lookout on me, asap!

[JAD]

.....better get a TECS lookout on me, asap!

As if there isn’t.

[RJ]

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[Caballoflaco]

Oh dear. Not the lizard people.

They know the lizard people is a joke, right? I mean, I'm sure there's some crazy out there that actually believes it, but I'd bet money that nearly all 12 million people are just using "lizard people" as a rhetorical device. I'm one of them.....better get a TECS lookout on me, asap!

That looks suspiciously like something a lizard person would post. You’ll probably be posting nonsense about a spherical planet that doesn’t sit firmly on the back of a giant turtle soon.

[DC_P]

That looks suspiciously like something a lizard person would post.

The greatest trick the lizard people ever pulled was convincing the world they do not exist.

[littlejerry]

Oh dear. Not the lizard people.

They know the lizard people is a joke, right? I mean, I'm sure there's some crazy out there that actually believes it, but I'd bet money that nearly all 12 million people are just using "lizard people" as a rhetorical device. I'm one of them.....better get a TECS lookout on me, asap!

Sure, and you'd probably say Pepe the frog isn't racist.

And we all know they aren't lizard people... The accurate terminology is reptoids.

[Baldanders]

Sure, and you'd probably say Pepe the frog isn't racist.

And we all know they aren't lizard people... The accurate terminology is reptoids.

Hey, they prefer "Reptile American" in the USA.

If it's a complete joke, it's one that made David Icke a muti-millionare.

I despair in an age where my internet woolgathering has prepared me for things this stupid. Or I'm glad I was prepared? Not sure at this point.

[HCM]

Oh dear. Not the lizard people.

They know the lizard people is a joke, right? I mean, I'm sure there's some crazy out there that actually believes it, but I'd bet money that nearly all 12 million people are just using "lizard people" as a rhetorical device. I'm one of them.....better get a TECS lookout on me, asap!

I think you are severely underestimating the level of crazy in the general public and severely over estimating the number who know what a rhetorical device is.

[Baldanders]

Oh dear. Not the lizard people.

They know the lizard people is a joke, right? I mean, I'm sure there's some crazy out there that actually believes it, but I'd bet money that nearly all 12 million people are just using "lizard people" as a rhetorical device. I'm one of them.....better get a TECS lookout on me, asap!

Hey, remember how a guy wrote "BOOG" in his own blood during a shootout with LE last year?

Don't underestimate people's ability to believe in the completely nonsensical. I wish I was joking.

Hidden creatures posing as humans is a surprisingly common belief. And old...

[Baldanders]

Evidently poor Petula Clark is pretty upset about "Downtown" being played before the bombing.

If you're going to ruin a song, why not pick one from gg allin and the Murder Junkies? No harm there.

[Cory]

Oh dear. Not the lizard people.

They know the lizard people is a joke, right? I mean, I'm sure there's some crazy out there that actually believes it, but I'd bet money that nearly all 12 million people are just using "lizard people" as a rhetorical device. I'm one of them.....better get a TECS lookout on me, asap!

I said incredibly similar things about the electric boogaloo, and got told it's not a joke this shit is serious. It was a joke. Right up until it wasn't. To me, as laughable as lizard people. Both can result in people getting killed.

[Half Moon]

Not to be fearing the lizard people, fuzzy mammals:

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[awp_101]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JI8AMRbqY6w

[HCM]

For reference:

https://www.rawstory.com/qanon-conspiracy-theory/?xrs=RebelMouse_fb&ts=1609333948&fbclid=IwAR3Fqs5L3LGyLV6BuPb-v5ryHngalBSQ35W2xifD5erqzI4yR-SYBNpXUeA


Although support for the QAnon conspiracy theory may not be mainstream, a pollster has found that a surprisingly high percentage of Americans either believe it's true or are open to believing it's true.

The latest NPR/Ipsos poll shows that 17 percent of Americans agree with the QAnon-promoted idea that "a group of Satan-worshipping elites who run a child sex ring are trying to control our politics and media," while another 37 percent say they aren't aren't sure whether it's true.

[HeavyDuty]

For reference:

https://www.rawstory.com/qanon-conspiracy-theory/?xrs=RebelMouse_fb&ts=1609333948&fbclid=IwAR3Fqs5L3LGyLV6BuPb-v5ryHngalBSQ35W2xifD5erqzI4yR-SYBNpXUeA

Idiocracy come true...

[Balisong]

I'm calling bullshit on there being lizard people.

I've never once seen someone in the summertime drop and start doing push-ups.

[RJ]

I'm calling bullshit on there being lizard people.

I've never once seen someone in the summertime drop and start doing push-ups.

You do know...that’s just what a Lizard person would say...can you prove you’re not? How do we really know there aren’t Lizard Judges, Lizard Doctors, Lizard Used Car Salesmen (oh, wait, never mind about them, they are) huh?! HUH?! :cool:

[Totem Polar]

There is most def lizard university administrators. #fact (https://pistol-forum.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=fact)

[Balisong]

You do know...that’s just what a Lizard person would say...can you prove you’re not? How do we really know there aren’t Lizard Judges, Lizard Doctors, Lizard Used Car Salesmen (oh, wait, never mind about them, they are) huh?! HUH?! :cool:

Hmmm. It would explain why I don't have a problem with a wide variety of temperatures. From working in freezing operating rooms, to living in Phoenix and doing hot yoga....

If I start craving flies I'll let you know.

[DDTSGM]

I've never once seen someone in the summertime drop and start doing push-ups.

Apparently you've led a sheltered life.

[olstyn]

You do know...that’s just what a Lizard person would say...can you prove you’re not? How do we really know there aren’t Lizard Judges, Lizard Doctors, Lizard Used Car Salesmen (oh, wait, never mind about them, they are) huh?! HUH?! :cool:

Most of the lizards I've known have been vastly more trustworthy than people.

[HCM]

https://www.foxnews.com/us/fbi-nashville-bomber-material-acquaintances

Nashville bomber sent material to 'acquaintances': FBI
FBI Special Agent Jason Pack said authorities are "aware the suspect sent materials which espoused his viewpoints to several acquaintances throughout the country."

[Kirk]

I think you are severely underestimating the level of crazy in the general public and severely over estimating the number who know what a rhetorical device is.

This.

The growth of conspiracies and various forms of radicalization is incredibly concerning. We have almost 20% of Americans (over 50 million people) who believe in things like QANON. It may sounds crazy to your average mentally healthy PFer that someone would believe in lizard people as a serious concept, but it is unsurprising to me. There are a lot of insane people in the US.

[EPF]

This.

The growth of conspiracies and various forms of radicalization is incredibly concerning. We have almost 20% of Americans (over 50 million people) who believe in things like QANON. It may sounds crazy to your average mentally healthy PFer that someone would believe in lizard people as a serious concept, but it is unsurprising to me. There are a lot of insane people in the US.



What this incident also highlights to me is a coming shift in the Means/Motive/Opportunity equation as related to explosives and other terroristic attacks.

Building a functional device isn’t overly difficult, provided the offender has some existing abilities and education. At the same time, it’s harder to do successfully than some might think. The old movie trope of the terrorist bomb maker with missing fingers and a burned face is there for a reason.

Most IEDs are fabricated and emplaced in third world countries. Historically, the skill sets required were uncommon and prized by nefarious organizations. That has changed with the internet but the basic premise is still generally valid IMO.

In a country like the US, there are many fold more individuals with the skill and resources to commit such a crime. What stopped that from happening was always motive. People living happy lives have a lot to lose and therefore are less inclined to act out.

My fear is that as the economy struggles under current events, domestic politics gets even more divided, and vetting real news and info becomes even more murky, we will see more crazies act out.

Nothing left to lose is not where we want to push people.

[BehindBlueI's]

This.

The growth of conspiracies and various forms of radicalization is incredibly concerning. We have almost 20% of Americans (over 50 million people) who believe in things like QANON. It may sounds crazy to your average mentally healthy PFer that someone would believe in lizard people as a serious concept, but it is unsurprising to me. There are a lot of insane people in the US.

I think anyone who's spent more then a few days responding to 911 calls in any capacity has seen the effects of our society's refusal to properly treat the mentally ill. I had a woman who reported voodoo priests killing her family by making snakes grow inside their brain. Another woman had a demon snake under her sofa (I actually checked to make sure a more mundane serpent hadn't infiltrated her house and was rather relieved for both of us that nothing was there...) People who are sure the FBI or "The Russians" have set up surveillance on them for some unknown reason, etc.

The flip side is I've got a buddy who likes to pretend to believe in Bigfoot just to get a rise out of people. I counter that Bigfoot is a myth propagated by the werewolf community.

[Eric_L]

I think anyone who's spent more then a few days responding to 911 calls in any capacity has seen the effects of our society's refusal to properly treat the mentally ill. I had a woman who reported voodoo priests killing her family by making snakes grow inside their brain. Another woman had a demon snake under her sofa (I actually checked to make sure a more mundane serpent hadn't infiltrated her house and was rather relieved for both of us that nothing was there...) People who are sure the FBI or "The Russians" have set up surveillance on them for some unknown reason, etc.

The flip side is I've got a buddy who likes to pretend to believe in Bigfoot just to get a rise out of people. I counter that Bigfoot is a myth propagated by the werewolf community.

I have explained before that Bigfoot is dropped off in the SE OKlahoma mountains by UFOs. And picked up. Werewolves have nothing to with Bigfoot. Nothing! ;)

[olstyn]

The flip side is I've got a buddy who likes to pretend to believe in Bigfoot just to get a rise out of people. I counter that Bigfoot is a myth propagated by the werewolf community.


I have explained before that Bigfoot is dropped off in the SE OKlahoma mountains by UFOs. And picked up. Werewolves have nothing to with Bigfoot. Nothing! ;)

Have you two been reading Jim Butcher novels (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dresden_Files)? I mean, they're entertaining for sure, but it seems like maybe you've taken them a little too much to heart. :)

[Eric_L]

Have you two been reading Jim Butcher novels (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dresden_Files)? I mean, they're entertaining for sure, but it seems like maybe you've taken them a little too much to heart. :)


These are reports from people who KNOW, I don’t need to pilfer a novel! ;)