Phlster Enigma. A game changer in belt free carry?

[Rex G]

My pain medication must be fogging my brain. Honestly, I can't comprehend where or how this thing fits on your body. It sounds like you have to unzip your pants before you can draw the pistol.

Don’t over-think this. The whole Enigma rig can be considered one layer of “clothing.” Then, one simply dons another layer of clothing over the Enigma. Your outer layer, be it trousers, skirt, kilt, dress, bathrobe, kaftan, or whatever, is simply independent of the Enigma. For some folks, the Enigma may be a base layer. For me, I’d rather the Enigma be a middle later, though now that I have a Floodlight-compatible Enigma, a.k.a. Light-Bearing Enigma, I might wear the rig outside my trail-running shorts, with a long-tailed sun hoody covering the rig.

The Enigma is like a belly-band rig, in that it can be worn below one’s normal belt line, at one’s normal belt line, or above one’s normal belt line. The draw is upward, not sideways, like one would do to reach the weapon via the trousers’ zipper opening.

The Lucky Gunner and P&S you-tube videos explain it well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxG3aW2cS88

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gR77wwJvmE

[GearFondler]

Or you can wear it all by itself, buck-ass naked... The ultimate tactical fig leaf.
I recommend the Light Bearing version for better coverage.

[Bucky]

Or you can wear it all by itself, buck-ass naked... The ultimate tactical fig leaf.
I recommend the Light Bearing version for better coverage.

Those with a very big gun would have to carry a very big gun to conceal their very big gun.

[willie]

Bucky, I would be concerned about putting a Glock bullet through my ding-a-ling, but you make a good point. One of my buddies put a bullet through his right testicle. His experience makes me use a 3 o'clock carry position.

[Bratch]

Wore my Enigma for the first time most of the day Saturday. It printed slightly more than my DSG so I need to work on the adjustments and see if I can get it to tuck a little better. I really liked the independence from wearing on the belt. I did notice that by the end of the night the web belt was cutting into me pretty good and I’m still a little tender and have marks two days later. I probably over tightened to try and tuck it in better.

[hurley842002]

Finally got the in stock notification, and snagged one with only 9 left in stock, received it today. Slapped it all together and have worn it for a few hours with zero adjustments made (was in a hurry), I’m in love so far, but will tinker with adjustments tomorrow.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210527/0e0143897a3aa52ebe2f0c662bd0aaa7.jpg


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[EVP]

Was able to snag a standard enigma.

How is the clearance with the grip? Seems from the pictures that there is not much clearance unless stepping up to the JM custom enigma shell.

[Blackbag]

Does anybody know if JM Custom Kydex is planning to make a Shell for the Light bearing Enigma? Want to set mine up for my 43X Roland style pistol.

[CleverNickname]

Does anybody know if JM Custom Kydex is planning to make a Shell for the Light bearing Enigma? Want to set mine up for my 43X Roland style pistol.

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?47823-NEW-Enigma-Shell-(ES)-Holsters&p=1217688&viewfull=1#post1217688

[Blackbag]

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?47823-NEW-Enigma-Shell-(ES)-Holsters&p=1217688&viewfull=1#post1217688

Thank you.

[Bratch]

I’m still having some problems with the belt cutting into my hips on longer days. Has anybody else experienced this or found a solution? I suspect if I was wearing it over a shirt it’d help but one big plan for it was summer use with just shorts and a tshirt. I’m tempted to try and add some sort of wider/softer material to spread the force out.

[GearFondler]

I’m still having some problems with the belt cutting into my hips on longer days. Has anybody else experienced this or found a solution? I suspect if I was wearing it over a shirt it’d help but one big plan for it was summer use with just shorts and a tshirt. I’m tempted to try and add some sort of wider/softer material to spread the force out.Here is my solution... 1.5" rifle strap pads from Amazon, $12 for the pair. One on each side completely fixed the pressure points. I've mowed, dug holes, planted bushes, changed mower blades, and other stuff over the past two days and the Enigma hasn't shifted or even made me notice the belt at all. The only slightly finicky part is attaching the one final velcro tab on the buckle side when you put on the belt... That's to keep that pad from shifting.
For $12 it's worth trying it out.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07RGQ99KS/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_glt_fabc_WZ1BQSX4JET4QYBNTQME?_ encoding=UTF8&psc=1

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[dontshakepandas]

I’m still having some problems with the belt cutting into my hips on longer days. Has anybody else experienced this or found a solution? I suspect if I was wearing it over a shirt it’d help but one big plan for it was summer use with just shorts and a tshirt. I’m tempted to try and add some sort of wider/softer material to spread the force out.

This is the answer. It completely solved that problem for me. I’d suggest getting his leg leash also.

https://www.levodesigns.com/product/papoose-tweave/

[GearFondler]

This is the answer. It completely solved that problem for me. I’d suggest getting his leg leash also.

https://www.levodesigns.com/product/papoose-tweave/That's his leg leash in my pic above... I didn't even try using the stock leash and went straight to his.

[Archer1440]

A new use for the Enigma…300 miles on a sport bike with a VP9 with RMR in a PHLster Classic, under racing leathers yesterday. Zero discomfort.

Would never have believed it possible.

[Archer1440]

I should mention, I wear an airbag vest under the suit- the pistol was over the airbag and under the leathers. Pretty amazing, no discomfort even in a full racing tuck.

[Caballoflaco]

A new use for the Enigma…300 miles on a sport bike with a VP9 with RMR in a PHLster Classic, under racing leathers yesterday. Zero discomfort.

Would never have believed it possible.

Nice, I never go full tuck, but I’ve found it works well on the Tenere. I’ve worn it over my pants; but under my over pants when I didn’t plan on being off the bike for long and cold weather would have meant difficult access with a traditional holster. I also like the ability to wear it just a little higher than I might wear a traditional pants belt rig to get some extra clearance between the holster the seat and things that might get caught between the two.

[EVP]

Got my enigma and got it initially setup. Initial thoughts are positive. Some hotspots with the holster in the crease of the leg and also the buckle.

I’ll keep playing with it and adjusting but I think this and a JMCK Enigma shell will pair nicely.

[Joel]

A new use for the Enigma…300 miles on a sport bike with a VP9 with RMR in a PHLster Classic, under racing leathers yesterday. Zero discomfort.

Would never have believed it possible.

I just drove over 400 miles in a car with multiple stops and felt great as well.

[ER_STL]

A new use for the Enigma…300 miles on a sport bike with a VP9 with RMR in a PHLster Classic, under racing leathers yesterday. Zero discomfort.

Would never have believed it possible.

Have you broken the 1s barrier yet for draw to A-zone hit at seven yards?


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[Archer1440]

Have you broken the 1s barrier yet for draw to A-zone hit at seven yards?


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Only if my zipper is open.

It does meet rule two of a gunfight, though. (Rule one being, don’t attend)

[ER_STL]

Only if my zipper is open.

It does meet rule two of a gunfight, though. (Rule one being, don’t attend)

My post should have included a huge smiley face. Great picture that takes me back to my riding days (929RR a looong time ago).

/threaddrift


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[Archer1440]

My post should have included a huge smiley face. Great picture that takes me back to my riding days (929RR a looong time ago).

/threaddrift


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Don’t worry, I took it as intended ;)

[0ddl0t]

Been a few months and I still love my standard enigma. My only complaint is that the leg leash has popped off a couple times - infrequent enough to make me wonder if I just failed to fully click it in (but frequent enough to make me doubt it)

[Bucky]

Anyone here running one of these with a decent beer gut? If so, how is it working out for you. From the looks of it, it looks more of the skinny man carry.

[backtrail540]

Anyone here running one of these with a decent beer gut? If so, how is it working out for you. From the looks of it, it looks more of the skinny man carry.

My friend is over 300 lbs and is enjoying his setup using a jm 2.0 for a 48. Personal preference and tolerance will vary.

[Hstanton1]

Anyone here running one of these with a decent beer gut? If so, how is it working out for you. From the looks of it, it looks more of the skinny man carry.

I’m 279 and 6’ 1”as of yesterday morning, and the enigma and AIWB in general is my favorite way to carry despite my gut. It really just means that you need longer holsters to counteract your gun tipping over your belt, but it’s still very comfortable, concealable, fast (for me), and easily defendable.

The enigma specifically is the most comfortable option I’ve found for appendix carry, and has the highest potential for concealment. I still use a DSG Orion on a belt sometimes, but the enigma is the most common thing for me to wear.

[EVP]

Been a few months and I still love my standard enigma. My only complaint is that the leg leash has popped off a couple times - infrequent enough to make me wonder if I just failed to fully click it in (but frequent enough to make me doubt it)


This has happened to me several times when dryfiring and I thought the same thing. May have to get a better solution.

[Bucky]

I’m 279 and 6’ 1”as of yesterday morning, and the enigma and AIWB in general is my favorite way to carry despite my gut. It really just means that you need longer holsters to counteract your gun tipping over your belt, but it’s still very comfortable, concealable, fast (for me), and easily defendable.

The enigma specifically is the most comfortable option I’ve found for appendix carry, and has the highest potential for concealment. I still use a DSG Orion on a belt sometimes, but the enigma is the most common thing for me to wear.

Thanks for the reply. I'm a a very similar "spec". I think I'm really going to have to give this some consideration.... and then try to get one. :eek:

[dontshakepandas]

This has happened to me several times when dryfiring and I thought the same thing. May have to get a better solution.

I didn't mind the stock leg leash at first, but I started having the same issue, and it started to twist which created hot spots over time. This was the answer for me. After using it for a few months I'm still astounded by how much better it is.

https://www.levodesigns.com/product/mule-tape-leg-leash/

[EVP]

Thanks for the link

I think the Enigma is a good alternative option but I don’t buy the hype that it replaces standard belt carry. My enthusiasm has diminished as I experience day to day life with it.

The leg leash has caused frustration to the point I was about to rip it off. I went to Top Golf with some friends and it repeatedly came off and was dangling down the bottom of my shorts. I had to go to the bathroom a bunch of times and put on the garter. I could not help but be annoyed that I had to deal with it. I will gladly pay for good stuff but I cannot help think for $90 bucks some better improvement can be made.


I think the stock leg leash needs a redesign. I will prob order the Levo stuff.

[Thy.Will.Be.Done]

Thanks for the link

I think the Enigma is a good alternative option but I don’t buy the hype that it replaces standard belt carry. My enthusiasm has diminished as I experience day to day life with it.

The leg leash has caused frustration to the point I was about to rip it off. I went to Top Golf with some friends and it repeatedly came off and was dangling down the bottom of my shorts. I had to go to the bathroom a bunch of times and put on the garter. I could not help but be annoyed that I had to deal with it. I will gladly pay for good stuff but I cannot help think for $90 bucks some better improvement can be made.


I think the stock leg leash needs a redesign. I will prob order the Levo stuff.

You should check these articles out about the leg leash. I have not put mine together yet but just happened to find these yesterday.

https://www.phlsterholsters.com/leg-leash-buckle-popping-off-heres-why/

https://www.phlsterholsters.com/enigma-leg-leash-adjustment-beyond-the-basics/

https://www.phlsterholsters.com/whats-up-with-the-enigma-leg-leash/

[EVP]

You should check these articles out about the leg leash. I have not put mine together yet but just happened to find these yesterday.

https://www.phlsterholsters.com/leg-leash-buckle-popping-off-heres-why/

https://www.phlsterholsters.com/enigma-leg-leash-adjustment-beyond-the-basics/

https://www.phlsterholsters.com/whats-up-with-the-enigma-leg-leash/

Thanks for the links! I have looked at them and all the setup instructions and related info, but still experience the issues.



On a side note, I get their concept and why they have it, I just think it could be executed better. On their commercial don’t show me people doing parkour and then I can’t take the thing hitting golf balls with a properly setup enigma(according to all their instructions).

Don’t get me wrong, I think it is a good option and concept but don’t really buy into the hype of it is the best thing ever that some espouse it to be.

[Caballoflaco]

Thanks for the links! I have looked at them and all the setup instructions and related info, but still experience the issues.



On a side note, I get their concept and why they have it, I just think it could be executed better. On their commercial don’t show me people doing parkour and then I can’t take the thing hitting golf balls with a properly setup enigma(according to all their instructions).

Don’t get me wrong, I think it is a good option and concept but don’t really buy into the hype of it is the best thing ever that some espouse it to be.

I wonder if you might have gotten a defective clip on your leg leash. I’ve worn mine daily for four months, often while doing manual labor and never had the clip un-clip. I’ve had the adjustment slide loosen a bit, but it’s never un-clipped.

[GearFondler]

I wonder if you might have gotten a defective clip on your leg leash. I’ve worn mine daily for four months, often while doing manual labor and never had the clip un-clip. I’ve had the adjustment slide loosen a bit, but it’s never un-clipped.I never even messed with the OEM clip as I instantly saw that if I needed to drop trou in a hurry there might be an incident, lol... My fingers could not easily unclip that little bastard.
That being said, based on what I see in the FB group, some folks struggle with the clip undoing itself and others don't. Could just be defective clips or differences in individuals, such as how much their upper thigh changes shape as they move around... It is after all designed to eventually break away for safety.

[runcible]

EVP, dontshakepandas, and 0ddlot;

Sounds like something's up, whether it's not setup as optimally as it could be or whether each of you has a buckle with a manufacturing issue (we did have a batch or two received that had excessive flashing).

If each of you could, I'd be grateful to see a picture of the Enigmas and leg-leashes as configured and worn, sans pants but PG-13. If you'd prefer discretion, PM would be fine. The goal in leash configuration is for zero impedence working the range from an elevated prone (e.g. cobra pose for the yogis), to a toe-touch\deadlift, and a deep squat; while minimizing or removing pre-release travel of the rig during a draw-stroke. I'd love to think that we could either get this rectified for the both of you, or replacement parts out instead.

[dontshakepandas]

EVP, dontshakepandas, and 0ddlot;

Sounds like something's up, whether it's not setup as optimally as it could be or whether each of you has a buckle with a manufacturing issue (we did have a batch or two received that had excessive flashing).

If each of you could, I'd be grateful to see a picture of the Enigmas and leg-leashes as configured and worn, sans pants but PG-13. If you'd prefer discretion, PM would be fine. The goal in leash configuration is for zero impedence working the range from an elevated prone (e.g. cobra pose for the yogis), to a toe-touch\deadlift, and a deep squat; while minimizing or removing pre-release travel of the rig during a draw-stroke. I'd love to think that we could either get this rectified for the both of you, or replacement parts out instead.

I never had any issues with the buckle staying closed, and only ran into the leg leash adjusting itself after several weeks of daily wear. The adjustment change would occur right at the little triglide part that redirects the material from the vertical attachment to wrap around your leg.

In my case, I think this was mostly due to the leg leash not really having the ability to set different amounts of slack for the vertical section and the part that actually goes around your leg. I prefer to wear my leg leash pretty high on my leg and fairly tight so that it doesn’t move on my leg. Because of that, I need a little extra slack on the vertical side to keep from getting a tug when I walk. It isn’t much, and not enough to notice while drawing, but after a few hours that extra slack would redistribute itself to form an equilibrium and I’d get some sagging on my leg.

Sorry, I can’t provide a picture since I’m no longer using the stock leg leash and don’t feel like swapping it back.

To be clear, I’m very happy with my Enigmas and have switched to using them exclusively no matter what I’m wearing. After using AIWB holsters for most of the last decade I don’t really ever expect to buy anything and it be perfect for me without a little tweaking.

That said, for that specific part of the design I think the Levo Designs leg leash is a major improvement in every way. It allows independent adjustments of the two length segments and the material is much more comfortable and has less tendency to twist. The only thing I’d change would be to get it in black.

[SAWBONES]

I never had any issues with the buckle staying closed, and only ran into the leg leash adjusting itself after several weeks of daily wear. The adjustment change would occur right at the little triglide part that redirects the material from the vertical attachment to wrap around your leg.

In my case, I think this was mostly due to the leg leash not really having the ability to set different amounts of slack for the vertical section and the part that actually goes around your leg. I prefer to wear my leg leash pretty high on my leg and fairly tight so that it doesn’t move on my leg. Because of that, I need a little extra slack on the vertical side to keep from getting a tug when I walk. It isn’t much, and not enough to notice while drawing, but after a few hours that extra slack would redistribute itself to form an equilibrium and I’d get some sagging on my leg.

I had the same problem, that is, the leg leash circumference around the thigh would loosen, both because the tiny slider buckle would shift with even mild tension, and also as you said, the "slack would redistribute itself" with even mild tension on the segment of the leash which runs from the faceplate into the upper hole of the triangular "force-direction-changing" tab.

The result would be that the loop around the thigh would always loosen, allowing the rear portion of the loop to droop down, such that the whole rig got tugged in a downward direction on the "strong side" with every step.

Two things needed to be done;

First, after getting all "segment lengths" perfect, that is, both the length of the leash segment from faceplate to upper hole in the triangular tab, and the overall length of the segment surrounding the thigh, I then ran a few stitches of very strong thread through the doubled layer of the strap just adjacent to the small slider buckle, so that the buckle could no longer move at all, and second, I got the little leg leash "Secondary Garter" ($4.95 from Levo Designs), which reliably keeps the rear portion of the leg leash segment surrounding the thigh from ever slipping down, and is quite comfortable.

Problem solved.

(I also bought and tried the same maker's "Mule Tape Leg Leash", but didn't find it as stable or as comfortable as the stock leg leash after adjusting the latter as described above.)

FWIW, I've never had the leg leash buckle come undone.

Thus slightly modified, the Enigma setup is the ideal answer to beltless on-body CCW for me, when wearing shorts or athletic pants.

[backtrail540]

I might've missed it but I didn't see the fixed retention kits being mentioned as being live in this thread yet. Available at DSG and Phlster, pending on where you're spending money.

https://darkstargear.com/product/fixed-retention-kit/

https://www.phlsterholsters.com/shop/fixed-retention-kit/

[Up1911Fan]

I love the Enigma for certain situations with a P365.. Hasn't/won't replace my belt and holster. I got a LBE I wanted to get setup for my main G19/RMR/TLR-7A. I found in order to get the level of concealment I wanted I had to tighten the belt enough that it would get uncomfortable on my hips. Enter hook/loop tape and an HSGI padded belt liner. Much better now.
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[Blades]

I love the Enigma for certain situations with a P365.. Hasn't/won't replace my belt and holster. I got a LBE I wanted to get setup for my main G19/RMR/TLR-7A. I found in order to get the level of concealment I wanted I had to tighten the belt enough that it would get uncomfortable on my hips. Enter hook/loop tape and an HSGI padded belt liner. Much better now.


I like that idea.

[Lainemac]

I love the Enigma for certain situations with a P365.. Hasn't/won't replace my belt and holster. I got a LBE I wanted to get setup for my main G19/RMR/TLR-7A. I found in order to get the level of concealment I wanted I had to tighten the belt enough that it would get uncomfortable on my hips. Enter hook/loop tape and an HSGI padded belt liner. Much better now.
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I like that idea.

Same here. Can I get some links?

[Rex G]

Notably, an LB Enigma, listed on the evil-bay, that started at $0.99, ended yesterday with a bid of $100.00 US. So, hopefully, the days of speculators and flippers buying-up the available Enigmas are over.

[snow white]

Can sombody please tell me the name of the material the enigma is made of? A friend and I were talking about other uses for it outside of luggage and whatnot. Google has failed me.

[orionz06]

Tegris

[snow white]

Tegris

Thank you.

[Irelander]

Any idea when the next round of Enigmas will be in stock? I've been pushed over the edge by watching Demonstrated Dynamics videos. I need to try one of these for my Walther PPS...and an Enigma compatible holster.

[dontshakepandas]

Any idea when the next round of Enigmas will be in stock? I've been pushed over the edge by watching Demonstrated Dynamics videos. I need to try one of these for my Walther PPS...and an Enigma compatible holster.

Your best bet is to just check the page regularly for a week or so. I glanced at it a few days ago and they had the regular model in stock but not the light bearing model.

[Archer1440]

So, I’ve gotta ask… Anyone else been running an Enigma in an aOwb configuration?

I have a few pair of 32” waist Kuhl snap-front jeans that tend to pop their buttons when wearing a Floodlight AIWB with my VP9L, but are otherwise fine with slimmer pistols (1911) in, for example, a Tenicor AIWB, or with normal OWB carry,. So, I have done a couple grocery runs with the LB Enigma with a Floodlight, worn OUTSIDE and just above the jeans and belt, and it honestly hides just as well under a shirt as the full AIWB configuration does with my really excellent VDevelopment belt with the unspellable name. I can even carry a P365 at 4 o’clock IWB as a BUG in this situation. I need to run 34” trousers to do the same, all AIWB/IWB.

I haven’t found any reason not to run it this way- the Enigma belt stabilizes the thing vertically well enough that there’s no need for the leg leash- but am I missing something here?

[Irelander]

Snagged an Enigma kit last night when I saw they were in stock. Now I need an Enigma compatible holster for my PPS M1.

[GearFondler]

I haven’t found any reason not to run it this way- the Enigma belt stabilizes the thing vertically well enough that there’s no need for the leg leash- but am I missing something here?

Try drawing from some unconventional positions, particularly laying on your back which tends to shrink your abdomen and loosens the belt tension... You will probably notice why the leg leash is considered important.

[Archer1440]

I can see that being an issue with a stiffer-retention holster, and understand your point, but the Floodlight isn’t one of those. The Enigma plate properly tensions the holster so the pistol’s not too loose, but it’s also not really super-hard-locked in there.

Of course we can also come up with situations where AIWB in and of itself would be a bad choice- say, a 470 lb Samoan knocks you down from behind and sits on your back so you’re on the ground face-down- but I have a clinch pick for that (hopefully, unlikely) scenario.

:D

[Archer1440]

Additional update after a range trip: While it works fine with a button-down shirt, it’s a no-go with a Arcteryx sun hoodie. Snags on the dingus for the thigh strap.

Experiment over. ;)

[Irelander]

Not sure if this has been posted here or not but this video from Demonstrated Concepts convinced me to pick up an Enigma.

https://youtu.be/AAx7Jd73UdM

[Flamingo]

I was out and about today with my beast, and we stopped at a local trail. I usually do a ruck when we stop, but I was wearing barefoot shoes and I usually like to ruck in thicker soled shoes. I decided to do a run/walk with the beast. The trail was around 3.5 miles, and I walked about 50% of it.

I had my enigma and my G19 with 507 holosun. No issues at all.

[Sanch]

I’ve been checking every few months to see if it’s in stock since I don’t have the patience for limited edition time-released drops that sell out in under a minute. Still looks unobtainable.

At this point, I would assume a version 2 is coming and I should just wait for that. And probably just expect to pay double on eBay for one rather than spend the next few years checking every months and it still not being available. I don’t want to pay double for one on eBay now since I assume a V2 is coming.

[Rex G]

I’ve been checking every few months to see if it’s in stock since I don’t have the patience for limited edition time-released drops that sell out in under a minute. Still looks unobtainable.

At this point, I would assume a version 2 is coming and I should just wait for that. And probably just expect to pay double on eBay for one rather than spend the next few years checking every months and it still not being available. I don’t want to pay double for one on eBay now since I assume a V2 is coming.

The “LB” version is in stock, as I type this.

[4RNR]

I'm trying to like this but it's just not working for me, at least so far. And two holsters in

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[Blades]

I’ve been checking every few months to see if it’s in stock since I don’t have the patience for limited edition time-released drops that sell out in under a minute. Still looks unobtainable.

At this point, I would assume a version 2 is coming and I should just wait for that. And probably just expect to pay double on eBay for one rather than spend the next few years checking every months and it still not being available. I don’t want to pay double for one on eBay now since I assume a V2 is coming.

Are you on the email waiting list?

[GearFondler]

I have seen exactly zero hint of any V2 Enigma in the foreseeable future... Upgraded attachments are all Phlster has mentioned.

[dontshakepandas]

I’ve been checking every few months to see if it’s in stock since I don’t have the patience for limited edition time-released drops that sell out in under a minute. Still looks unobtainable.

At this point, I would assume a version 2 is coming and I should just wait for that. And probably just expect to pay double on eBay for one rather than spend the next few years checking every months and it still not being available. I don’t want to pay double for one on eBay now since I assume a V2 is coming.

Regular version is in stock right now and code Practac10 saves 10%.

[Rex G]

Both versions still in stock, as of 0700 CDT, Friday.

[DC_P]

Are you on the email waiting list?

I am, but it really doesn't help. When I get the notification I go to the site and it is out of stock and I re-add myself to the waitlist. That has happened 5-6 times so far.

I don't know anything at all about owning/operating a business or production, but it is pretty surprising to me this has gone on so long.

[4RNR]

How are you guys getting a good grip? I can't seem to get my fingers through far enough to get a good grip. I constantly have to re adjust after drawing.76634

Here's how far I can get my fingers in


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And here's how far I need to go for a solid grip76637


Or is this just the case of too small of a grip combined with ape knuckles

[octagon]

How are you guys getting a good grip? I can't seem to get my fingers through far enough to get a good grip. I constantly have to re adjust after drawing.76634

Here's how far I can get my fingers in


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And here's how far I need to go for a solid grip76637


Or is this just the case of too small of a grip combined with ape knuckles



What holster is that? Your sits much closer(lower) on the Enigma than mine. I also have a tight-ish area of clearance to get a good grip while clearing the edge of the Enigma mounting plate but I can do it with practice. I wrapped my grip side of the Enigma mounting plate with cloth hockey tape as the edge was sharp and uncomfortable on the knuckles. That helped for comfort. I am using the inside top hole so I am considering cutting the mounting plate to add more clearance.

Using Red one holster for 365XL and using 365 and 365XL in the holster and Enigma set up.

[4RNR]

What holster is that? Your sits much closer(lower) on the Enigma than mine. I also have a tight-ish area of clearance to get a good grip while clearing the edge of the Enigma mounting plate but I can do it with practice. I wrapped my grip side of the Enigma mounting plate with cloth hockey tape as the edge was sharp and uncomfortable on the knuckles. That helped for comfort. I am using the inside top hole so I am considering cutting the mounting plate to add more clearance.

Using Red one holster for 365XL and using 365 and 365XL in the holster and Enigma set up.I don't remember I've had it for a while. I actually didn't even think about how high/low the opening is in relation to the mounting plate. Going to look into a new holster I guess

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[Flamingo]

I don't remember I've had it for a while. I actually didn't even think about how high/low the opening is in relation to the mounting plate. Going to look into a new holster I guess

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The JMCK enigma shell is a pretty good deal. I have one for my G19 and it works great. I think it cost $50ish.

[GJM]

I worked with Tony to get the ride height correct and have them for the 43X, 365 and Shield Plus.

[GJM]

I don't remember I've had it for a while. I actually didn't even think about how high/low the opening is in relation to the mounting plate. Going to look into a new holster I guess

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[Sanch]

Both versions still in stock, as of 0700 CDT, Friday.

Out of stock now. I guess being on the west coast time zone makes it too hard to buy one.

[Sanch]

Are you on the email waiting list?

I was for a while but it didn’t seem to help. I don’t have emails ring my phone 24/7, I set notifications to open the email app so I’m not bombarded by notifications all day of things like midway’s latest free shipping deal.

So by the time I see the email a few hours later, it’s out of stock. And then I have to re-add my email again to their list since it’s a one-time thing. You get one email once it’s in stock and then their program assumes you never want in stock emails again.

The frustrating thing is there’s no reason they couldn’t have people backorder it. And even not charge their credit card until it’s ready.

I don’t know Phlster personally but I do know several knifemakers and other associated custom makers who intentionally do limited release drops for marketing buzz so the whole things turns me off. People value things more when they’re artificially scarce and I’m not saying Phlster does that, but it turns me off when it happens. Enough people with BLM signs have set cities on fire and looted and terrorized drivers on roadways that when the Target cashier has a BLM face mask on, I get turned off regardless of how noble her intentions might be.

I guess I could get a whole new email account, just for Phlster stock notifications, allow that app to buzz me when it gets email and set my alarm to wake up at 4am everyday to be ready for the East-coast time drop. It just seems silly to have to go through this to buy a holster.

I should have just paid double on eBay over a year ago but I didn’t want to feed the scalpers who profit off the limited drop silliness and now it’s been out so long I feel dumb to overpay on eBay. Since either any day now he’s finally going to catch up on demand (unless he’s intentionally restricting product) or will release a V2 and I’ll feel stupid for having overpaid a scalper.

[WobblyPossum]

Sanch I haven’t heard anything ever mentioned about a “V2” Enigma coming. My understanding is that Phlster will be releasing different attachment modifications and accessories but not redesigning the base product. If the e-mail notification thing doesn’t work for you, why not just keep the page open on your phone and check it a couple of times a day? It’s a pretty small time sink of a few seconds for a product you really seem to want. Eventually you’ll refresh the page and you’ll find one in stock.

[Rex G]

Sanch If the e-mail notification thing doesn’t work for you, why not just keep the page open on your phone and check it a couple of times a day? It’s a pretty small time sink of a few seconds for a product you really seem to want. Eventually you’ll refresh the page and you’ll find one in stock.

This. Both versions were available, late in the day Thursday, and were still in stock early Friday. That is a large window of time, considering that the evil-bay flippers are still buying them at MSRP, and successfully flipping them.

[4RNR]

I was for a while but it didn’t seem to help. I don’t have emails ring my phone 24/7, I set notifications to open the email app so I’m not bombarded by notifications all day of things like midway’s latest free shipping deal.

So by the time I see the email a few hours later, it’s out of stock. And then I have to re-add my email again to their list since it’s a one-time thing. You get one email once it’s in stock and then their program assumes you never want in stock emails again.

The frustrating thing is there’s no reason they couldn’t have people backorder it. And even not charge their credit card until it’s ready.

I don’t know Phlster personally but I do know several knifemakers and other associated custom makers who intentionally do limited release drops for marketing buzz so the whole things turns me off. People value things more when they’re artificially scarce and I’m not saying Phlster does that, but it turns me off when it happens. Enough people with BLM signs have set cities on fire and looted and terrorized drivers on roadways that when the Target cashier has a BLM face mask on, I get turned off regardless of how noble her intentions might be.

I guess I could get a whole new email account, just for Phlster stock notifications, allow that app to buzz me when it gets email and set my alarm to wake up at 4am everyday to be ready for the East-coast time drop. It just seems silly to have to go through this to buy a holster.

I should have just paid double on eBay over a year ago but I didn’t want to feed the scalpers who profit off the limited drop silliness and now it’s been out so long I feel dumb to overpay on eBay. Since either any day now he’s finally going to catch up on demand (unless he’s intentionally restricting product) or will release a V2 and I’ll feel stupid for having overpaid a scalper.

I was kinda interested in this for the last 6 months or so. I kept checking the website occasionally and it was in stock..... except the day I decided to order..... obviously. So I signed up for the email notifications and a few weeks later I got the notification. I don't know when it came in, I check my email once a day, usually in the evening. I clicked on it and ordered. Honestly I don't feel bombarded by anything since there's no law to say I have to check immediately if not sooner. Or just turn off the notifications and check occasionally.

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[GearFondler]

How are you guys getting a good grip? I can't seem to get my fingers through far enough to get a good grip. I constantly have to re adjust after drawing.76634

Here's how far I can get my fingers in


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And here's how far I need to go for a solid grip76637


Or is this just the case of too small of a grip combined with ape knucklesTry loosening the claw screws and see if there is enough play in the faceplate to get a little more tilt to widen the gap between grip and plate.

[Blades]

Out of stock now. I guess being on the west coast time zone makes it too hard to buy one.


I was kinda interested in this for the last 6 months or so. I kept checking the website occasionally and it was in stock..... except the day I decided to order..... obviously. So I signed up for the email notifications and a few weeks later I got the notification. I don't know when it came in, I check my email once a day, usually in the evening. I clicked on it and ordered. Honestly I don't feel bombarded by anything since there's no law to say I have to check immediately if not sooner. Or just turn off the notifications and check occasionally.

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I just looked and it's showing in stock.

[4RNR]

With jeans on its almost impossible to use one hand to lift the shirt and the other to draw. It can be done but not in any kind of timely manner or proper grip.

I'm going to try to move the holster from claw to the faceplate screws to see if it gets any better.

Another problem I noticed is that the side leg attachment lasso thing keeps sliding down no matter how much I tighten it. And nothing seems to change if I remove it. Not sure if I'm doing something wrong

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[GJM]

With jeans on its almost impossible to use one hand to lift the shirt and the other to draw. It can be done but not in any kind of timely manner or proper grip.

I'm going to try to move the holster from claw to the faceplate screws to see if it gets any better.

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You need to move your holster higher or lower, so it is behind your belt or above it. Right now the belt is in the way.

[dontshakepandas]

Another problem I noticed is that the side leg attachment lasso thing keeps sliding down no matter how much I tighten it. And nothing seems to change if I remove it. Not sure if I'm doing something wrong


Nope, the included leg leash is awful. Check out the one from Levo Designs or Rego Concepts.

[JCS]

Nope, the included leg leash is awful. Check out the one from Levo Designs or Rego Concepts.

The more I use it the more annoying the leg leash has become. Do you have a recommendation between the two?

[dontshakepandas]

The more I use it the more annoying the leg leash has become. Do you have a recommendation between the two?

I slightly prefer the Rego Concepts because it’s a little lower profile and I like to wear it higher and tighter on my leg so the stretch works better for me. If you like to wear it a little lower or looser the Levo would probably work better since it’s quite a bit softer. I’d suggest grabbing their secondary garter too since it will prevent it from sagging in the back when worn on a looser setting.

[GearFondler]

Here's my LB Enigma set up along with my leg leash solution...

-Henry Holster Spark that I trimmed back to flush fit the KKM for just a little more room in the pants. Velcro pad built up for a bit of wedge. Changed out ModWing for a LightWing.
-Darkstar Gear Koala and a 24rd Glock stick w/ +2 basepad. Velcro pad built up to create standoff against holster sight channel for RMR clearance... It rides like a sidecar holster without any of the negatives.
-Mastermind Tactics tourniquet pouch with a CAT-T
-Shoulder strap pads added to belt for comfort
-"Leg Strap Solution"... I started with the Mule Tape leg leash from Levo Designs knowing the Phlster strap was less than ideal. While the Mule Tape Leash was an obvious improvement it was never perfect... Any time I got active it would start slipping down. The Bumster design was later released by Levo as an alternative design, running the strap from the faceplate under the crotch and to the back of the waist belt. I saw that I could easily modify my Mule Tape Leash to create the same design and it works about 1000 times better now... I don't even notice it's there and it actually keeps the holster in place much better than the leg leash ever did. The only negative of this approach is that the strap runs across the gooch so it can get a little funky on sweaty days... For now I just pop it off and hand wash it in the sink every night. I plan to make a second strap and just start tossing them in the wash.
I highly recommend anyone struggling with the leg strap to try out some version of the Bumster idea.

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[dontshakepandas]

I just ran across this used Enigma + JMCK Glock 19 holster listed on Reddit in case anybody is looking to pick one up at a discount. I don’t know the seller, but they have 22 positive transactions over there which is a good sign.

https://www.reddit.com/r/GunAccessoriesForSale/comments/phuadw/wts_phlster_enigmajmck_glock_19_holster_nc/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

[DC_P]

The frustrating thing is there’s no reason they couldn’t have people backorder it. And even not charge their credit card until it’s ready.


This. I would even let them charge me and then ship it when it is available. I really can't believe it has gone on this long. No doubt because of COVID or the chip shortage...

[runcible]

I was for a while but it didn’t seem to help. I don’t have emails ring my phone 24/7, I set notifications to open the email app so I’m not bombarded by notifications all day of things like midway’s latest free shipping deal.

So by the time I see the email a few hours later, it’s out of stock. And then I have to re-add my email again to their list since it’s a one-time thing. You get one email once it’s in stock and then their program assumes you never want in stock emails again.

The frustrating thing is there’s no reason they couldn’t have people backorder it. And even not charge their credit card until it’s ready.

I don’t know Phlster personally but I do know several knifemakers and other associated custom makers who intentionally do limited release drops for marketing buzz so the whole things turns me off. People value things more when they’re artificially scarce and I’m not saying Phlster does that, but it turns me off when it happens. Enough people with BLM signs have set cities on fire and looted and terrorized drivers on roadways that when the Target cashier has a BLM face mask on, I get turned off regardless of how noble her intentions might be.

I guess I could get a whole new email account, just for Phlster stock notifications, allow that app to buzz me when it gets email and set my alarm to wake up at 4am everyday to be ready for the East-coast time drop. It just seems silly to have to go through this to buy a holster.

I should have just paid double on eBay over a year ago but I didn’t want to feed the scalpers who profit off the limited drop silliness and now it’s been out so long I feel dumb to overpay on eBay. Since either any day now he’s finally going to catch up on demand (unless he’s intentionally restricting product) or will release a V2 and I’ll feel stupid for having overpaid a scalper.

Neither Jon nor I do backorders\preorders anymore, and that is for cause. It doesn't improve anyone's experience, and consistently worsens it for everyone.

We're not hoarding or restricting supply to increase perceived value, nor have we increased prices as is called for in your scenario; more so, it is unkind of you to imply that we are dishonestly doing so. Hundreds of Enigmas go up most every day, as quickly as they can be produced, packaged, and ready for customer shipment: the amount of work and partnerships put into scaling production is absolutely crossways to your implication of artificial scarcity. That we've put all of this effort only to be slagged by someone unwilling to so much as use an in-stock notification feature doesn't feel good, dude - especially since people whom signed up Friday evening received their notifications Monday noonish, and new stock was going up all through the weekend.

If you don't desire our product sufficient to use the waitlist and give it 72 hours, that's totally ok - but there's nothing that we can do as makers that can accommodate that level of intractability.


This. I would even let them charge me and then ship it when it is available. I really can't believe it has gone on this long. No doubt because of COVID or the chip shortage...

Neither Jon nor I do backorders\preorders anymore, and that is for cause. It doesn't improve anyone's experience, and consistently worsens it for everyone. Expanding on that, the moment that money has exchanged hands queries as to ETA begin, delays are easily perceived as breaches of contract and provoke additional queries as to ETA and personalized justifications, may have customers cancel and reorder the same item multiple times requiring refunding and recharging of their cards, if not prepaid will inevitably have customers elect not to pay at the conclusion of the preorder, and so forth - it alienates everyone involved from everyone else involved, and even in an absolutely on-time and on-target scenario, no one feels better for having gone that way.

The waitlist isn't perfect, but it's the most equitable option we've been able to find and implement by far - every revision or replacement to it that we've heard advocated for either loses a core quality or does not exist. Until that reality changes, the waitlist continues and we are grateful for those customers whom use it.

[DC_P]

the moment that money has exchanged hands queries as to ETA begin, delays are easily perceived as breaches of contract and provoke additional queries as to ETA and personalized justifications, may have customers cancel and reorder the same item multiple times requiring refunding and recharging of their cards, if not prepaid will inevitably have customers elect not to pay at the conclusion of the preorder, and so forth - it alienates everyone involved from everyone else involved, and even in an absolutely on-time and on-target scenario, no one feels better for having gone that way.

The waitlist isn't perfect, but it's the most equitable option we've been able to find and implement by far - every revision or replacement to it that we've heard advocated for either loses a core quality or does not exist. Until that reality changes, the waitlist continues and we are grateful for those customers whom use it.

Fair enough. As I said before, I don't know anything about running a business and was not intending to say how you should run yours. It is just frustrating getting a notification and clicking on the link to find out it is not in fact in stock, which has happened at least five times so far. As fate would have it, I received another one last evening and of course they are out of stock this morning. I only check email in the morning so I guess if you are sending out the notifications in the evening I will be out of luck until you can get enough in stock to last that long.

[dontshakepandas]

Fair enough. As I said before, I don't know anything about running a business and was not intending to say how you should run yours. It is just frustrating getting a notification and clicking on the link to find out it is not in fact in stock, which has happened at least five times so far. As fate would have it, I received another one last evening and of course they are out of stock this morning. I only check email in the morning so I guess if you are sending out the notifications in the evening I will be out of luck until you can get enough in stock to last that long.

Or, and this is a pretty crazy idea, you could check your email more than once a day?

[Bratch]

The regular is back in stock.

[DC_P]

Or, and this is a pretty crazy idea, you could check your email more than once a day?

So I have gotten 6 notifications in the last 6 months, including one Monday and one last night. That would be a lot of extra email checking with some pretty dismal results. I know this may sound foreign to a lot of people, but I don't spend all day/night looking at my phone or computer for status updates.

I want one, but am not desperate for one. Some day maybe they will get enough from their supplier to have them in stock for more than a few hours.

[WobblyPossum]

So I have gotten 6 notifications in the last 6 months, including one Monday and one last night. That would be a lot of extra email checking with some pretty dismal results. I know this may sound foreign to a lot of people, but I don't spend all day/night looking at my phone or computer for status updates.

I want one, but am not desperate for one. Some day maybe they will get enough from their supplier to have them in stock for more than a few hours.

I don’t know about you, but it takes me all of five seconds to pull my phone out of my pocket and check my email. It doesn’t seem like much of a hassle, especially if I’m waiting for/expecting an email about something I’d like to buy. Equating taking an extra five seconds a day to check email with “[spending] all day/night looking at [your] phone or computer” is a little silly.

[Irelander]

I've had my Enigma for a while and have yet to try it out. Still waiting for an Enigma compatible holster. All my AIWB holsters are JMCK Georges or Keepers. Kinda wishing I was still using Glocks to take advantage of JMCK quick ship. Hoping my PPS shell from IKC comes through soon.

I'm enjoying this thread and seeing how you guys have yours setup. I need to order a new leg leash.

[GearFondler]

As of yesterday afternoon Phlster had completely fulfilled the wait list and still had 100 units in stock with more arriving every day. Yes, there will still be intermittent out-of-stocks as demand is still very high, but consistent in-stock product is not far off.

[DC_P]

After missing every time I got a notification today I clicked on the site and they had them, despite not getting any emails. Either way - Success!








It's gonna suck if I don't like it...

[Irelander]

Finally got a holster for my PPS that is compatible with the Enigma. Luckily it is a JMCK WC2.0 (thanks Elwin).

So far I think the Enigma is going to work out very well for me. One thing I am not happy with is that I'm scratching the crap out of my slide on the backside of my jeans button when drawing. Anyone else have this issue and a good fix for it?

[Elwin]

Finally got a holster for my PPS that is compatible with the Enigma. Luckily it is a JMCK WC2.0 (thanks Elwin).

So far I think the Enigma is going to work out very well for me. One thing I am not happy with is that I'm scratching the crap out of my slide on the backside of my jeans button when drawing. Anyone else have this issue and a good fix for it?

Glad you got the holster and that it's working for you!

No advice on the scratching issue though.

[PNWTO]

Finally got a holster for my PPS that is compatible with the Enigma. Luckily it is a JMCK WC2.0 (thanks Elwin).

So far I think the Enigma is going to work out very well for me. One thing I am not happy with is that I'm scratching the crap out of my slide on the backside of my jeans button when drawing. Anyone else have this issue and a good fix for it?

Maybe a piece of tent repair tape on that button?

[EricM]

One thing I am not happy with is that I'm scratching the crap out of my slide on the backside of my jeans button when drawing. Anyone else have this issue and a good fix for it?

Sweatpants. Or maybe an iron-on patch if you insist on jeans. ;)

[Blades]

Finally got a holster for my PPS that is compatible with the Enigma. Luckily it is a JMCK WC2.0 (thanks Elwin).

So far I think the Enigma is going to work out very well for me. One thing I am not happy with is that I'm scratching the crap out of my slide on the backside of my jeans button when drawing. Anyone else have this issue and a good fix for it?

Is it scratching or just leaving marks?

[Irelander]

Is it scratching or just leaving marks?

I think it might be just leaving marks. Will solvent get the marks out?

[GearFondler]

I think it might be just leaving marks. Will solvent get the marks out?It's very possibly metal fragments from the button rubbed off into the slide finish, like chalk on a chalkboard. That can be tough to remove... A magic eraser might do it. Or oil on a rag. Acetone is worth a shot. Toothpaste might also work. But all these options have the chance of also affecting the slide finish.

[Blades]

I think it might be just leaving marks. Will solvent get the marks out?

Yes, my jean button did the same on my Glock slide. I think I used some WD-40 and I think an old toothbrush(not a paper towel).

[PNWTO]

PHLster just dropped this (https://www.phlsterholsters.com/shop/emod-enigma-optimized-modwing-insert-kit/); which seems to cure my only concern about fitment.

So far really like this thing; albeit I have only ever Enigma-tized my City Special. It makes toting a .38 or .22 LCR really easy during the telework days and comfort definitely exceeds what one may expect just browsing images.

[Blades]

PHLster just dropped this (https://www.phlsterholsters.com/shop/emod-enigma-optimized-modwing-insert-kit/); which seems to cure my only concern about fitment.


I think I need that. Thank you for posting it.

[JCS]

Maybe it’s been discussed but they also dropped the sport belt and ya…… it seems to be a significant upgrade over the regular belt it comes with. I’m only on the second week of it but I no longer feel it digging into me. It wasn’t bad but would get annoying when wearing for long periods of time.

[DC_P]

PHLster just dropped this (https://www.phlsterholsters.com/shop/emod-enigma-optimized-modwing-insert-kit/); which seems to cure my only concern about fitment..

Great, another thing to join the waitlist for...

I am actually still waiting for my JMCK Enigma shell so maybe the holster made specifically for the Enigma won't need it.

[BobLoblaw]

One thing I am not happy with is that I'm scratching the crap out of my slide on the backside of my jeans button when drawing. Anyone else have this issue and a good fix for it?

Put a square of moleskin over the back of the button. Typically lasts several months since it adheres to both the button and surrounding jeans fabric.

[BobLoblaw]

I'd like to know the angle on that smaller modwing insert so I can grind down one of my extra modwing inserts.

[GearFondler]

I'd like to know the angle on that smaller modwing insert so I can grind down one of my extra modwing inserts.There's probably enough flex in the faceplate to allow you to install the Modwing insert without the retaining screw and then pop it in and out as you slowly grind it down until it sits flush with the plate.

[backtrail540]

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[Dave Williams]

I wore an Enigma with On Your 6 Designs holster, with Glock 23.5, to load a Uhaul twice with furniture and boxes, and then drive 10hrs on Friday. Love this system.

[Thy.Will.Be.Done]

Does this system allow you guys to move the pistol around when driving so as to not have the pistol pinned under seat belt? This is actually my biggest reason for not doing AIWB exclusively is most of my carry revolves around trips in the car and I've seen the horrible results of getting in accidents carrying AIWB when the seat belt puts force over the surface area of the pistol in your abdomen... it's not pretty and things get crushed massively. The seatbelt is designed to load your hips exclusively, AIWB defeats this design feature sadly. AIWB can be carried in car but it shouldn't be in practice unless you can get the weapon clear of the seat belt and keep the lap belt on the hips.

[Irelander]

Does this system allow you guys to move the pistol around when driving so as to not have the pistol pinned under seat belt? This is actually my biggest reason for not doing AIWB exclusively is most of my carry revolves around trips in the car and I've seen the horrible results of getting in accidents carrying AIWB when the seat belt puts force over the surface area of the pistol in your abdomen... it's not pretty and things get crushed massively. The seatbelt is designed to load your hips exclusively, AIWB defeats this design feature sadly. AIWB can be carried in car but it shouldn't be in practice unless you can get the weapon clear of the seat belt and keep the lap belt on the hips.

This is the first I have heard that AIWB can be detrimental in a vehicle accident. Can you please provide some additional information on these incidents?

[Thy.Will.Be.Done]

This is the first I have heard that AIWB can be detrimental in a vehicle accident. Can you please provide some additional information on these incidents?

I no longer can find the source of documentation I had, so it's not something I can share ATM. That said, you can verify seatbelts must only contact the hip bone to avoid injury quite easily.

[BobLoblaw]

I'm pretty sure someone on this forum who got into a car accident while carrying AIWB. I don't remember him having any internal injuries, just some bruised ribs maybe?

[eaglefrq]

There is a little information near the end of this article discussing potential injuries.

https://www.activeresponsetraining.net/seat-belts-and-appendix-carry

[Sanch]

I was finally able to land an enigma! A local guy at my range was shooting from one and wound up having a spare to sell. It came with some aftermarket thigh strap that was mentioned earlier in this thread I think but I forget the name.

I’ve been trying it out for a week and the thigh strap keeps falling down off the my thigh and then creating an annoyance as it keeps me from extending my leg properly when walking.

I’ve tried different tightness and height adjustments but havnt figured out what works yet. The main problem is that it’s a massive pain in the dick to adjust the leg strap. So if I want to try making it slightly tighter, I waste 5 minutes on that task because the strap loops through various things and isn’t a single adjustment point. I have to undo girth hitches or whatever that knot is called.

Anyone have advice on how the leg strap should be adjusted? Or if it’s really even needed if the waist strap is tight enough?

[octagon]

I was finally able to land an enigma! A local guy at my range was shooting from one and wound up having a spare to sell. It came with some aftermarket thigh strap that was mentioned earlier in this thread I think but I forget the name.

I’ve been trying it out for a week and the thigh strap keeps falling down off the my thigh and then creating an annoyance as it keeps me from extending my leg properly when walking.

I’ve tried different tightness and height adjustments but havnt figured out what works yet. The main problem is that it’s a massive pain in the dick to adjust the leg strap. So if I want to try making it slightly tighter, I waste 5 minutes on that task because the strap loops through various things and isn’t a single adjustment point. I have to undo girth hitches or whatever that knot is called.

Anyone have advice on how the leg strap should be adjusted? Or if it’s really even needed if the waist strap is tight enough?

I had some issues with the same falling and then restricting forward leg movement initially. I kept adjusting and found that higher worked better with it falling in the natural crease of my leg and holding high on the inside thigh where the leg gets slightly narrower. I use the original early leg leash and haven't had issues since figuring it out. The Mule strap is wider if that is what you have so there may be different help. Join the FB PHilster enigma group for all the help you could need and pictures or video for better clarity.

[Blades]

I was finally able to land an enigma! A local guy at my range was shooting from one and wound up having a spare to sell. It came with some aftermarket thigh strap that was mentioned earlier in this thread I think but I forget the name.

I’ve been trying it out for a week and the thigh strap keeps falling down off the my thigh and then creating an annoyance as it keeps me from extending my leg properly when walking.

I’ve tried different tightness and height adjustments but havnt figured out what works yet. The main problem is that it’s a massive pain in the dick to adjust the leg strap. So if I want to try making it slightly tighter, I waste 5 minutes on that task because the strap loops through various things and isn’t a single adjustment point. I have to undo girth hitches or whatever that knot is called.

Anyone have advice on how the leg strap should be adjusted? Or if it’s really even needed if the waist strap is tight enough?

You may need to try it under your legs to the back of the belt.
I grabbed a picture from the facebook group.
https://i.imgur.com/FoyYDnp.jpg

[Rex G]

Phlster sent an e-mail, regarding the new option of ordering an Enigma with a City Special or Skeleton holster already attached.

https://www.phlsterholsters.com/shop/phlster-enigma-express/#select-holster

In-stock, at the time I am typing this, 0938 Central Daylight Time.

[DpdG]

Any recommendations for holster shell for P320c/TLR7A? Henry's doesn't do Sig light bearing, JM doesn't do Enigma shells with lights. Closest I've gotten is ANR Appendix Light Bearing, then taking off the belt attachment. Anyone have better ideas?

[backtrail540]

Any recommendations for holster shell for P320c/TLR7A? Henry's doesn't do Sig light bearing, JM doesn't do Enigma shells with lights. Closest I've gotten is ANR Appendix Light Bearing, then taking off the belt attachment. Anyone have better ideas?

Jm does have an enigma compatible rig, you just have to check the box to add on the option to the lb 2.5 holster.

https://www.jmcustomkydex.com/p/AIWB-WC-LB.html

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[DpdG]

Jm does have an enigma compatible rig, you just have to check the box to add on the option to the lb 2.5 holster.

https://www.jmcustomkydex.com/p/AIWB-WC-LB.html

80552

80554

Thanks- I had been looking under the Enigma Shell heading, which is only non-light bearing.

[backtrail540]

Thanks- I had been looking under the Enigma Shell heading, which is only non-light bearing.

Certainly easy to overlook!

[Rex G]

Well, I can report that I really do like the Enigma, rigged with a City Special. Quite comfortable, all day. I do not usually like totally-vertical for AIWB carry, because my inguinal crease is not arranged totally vertical, but the City Special, for the J-Frame, is shaped in a way that works. The Enigma is not designed to let a holster tilt the muzzle a bit toward the centerline, to match the angle of my inguinal crease, so, I thought that I would not be using an Enigma, unless I modified the rig, which Phlster does NOT recommend. Well, with a City Special, I do not need to modify anything.

Next, I will be trying to rig something with the Light-Bearing version of the Enigma, which will probably involve using a non-recommended holster, and making non-recommended holes in the holster.

[GearFondler]

Well, I can report that I really do like the Enigma, rigged with a City Special. Quite comfortable, all day. I do not usually like totally-vertical for AIWB carry, because my inguinal crease is not arranged totally vertical, but the City Special, for the J-Frame, is shaped in a way that works. The Enigma is not designed to let a holster tilt the muzzle a bit toward the centerline, to match the angle of my inguinal crease, so, I thought that I would not be using an Enigma, unless I modified the rig, which Phlster does NOT recommend. Well, with a City Special, I do not need to modify anything.

Next, I will be trying to rig something with the Light-Bearing version of the Enigma, which will probably involve using a non-recommended holster, and making non-recommended holes in the holster.With the LBE if the holster has slots vs just holes you can get a bit of tilt to it, as well as a bit of tilt from the faceplate belt holes.

[Rex G]

With the LBE if the holster has slots vs just holes you can get a bit of tilt to it, as well as a bit of tilt from the faceplate belt holes.

Thanks. Just eyeballing my LB Enigma, it does appear to offer more latitude, that the original Enigma, for trying some amount of tilt.

Edited to add: Actually, a significant reason I decided to acquire the LB Enigma was because the product images, on Phlster’s site, indicated that it would be the better one for trying varying tilt angles. I had hoped to use it with a Floodlight holster, but, really, at least on my body, concealing anything in the Floodlight is like trying to conceal a brick, even if we ignore the comfort factor.

[GearFondler]

Thanks. Just eyeballing my LB Enigma, it does appear to offer more latitude, that the original Enigma, for trying some amount of tilt.

Edited to add: Actually, a significant reason I decided to acquire the LB Enigma was because the product images, on Phlster’s site, indicated that it would be the better one for trying varying tilt angles. I had hoped to use it with a Floodlight holster, but, really, at least on my body, concealing anything in the Floodlight is like trying to conceal a brick, even if we ignore the comfort factor.

You could still go with something like the Henry Holsters Spark for the G19/TLR7 and get some tilt without the full-brick experience.

[GearFondler]

Rex G... Here is the tilt I was able to create with my Henry Holster Sparks. Both are the Spark model, just for different lights (X300 and TLR7).
It's not a huge amount but it's noticeable when I wear it.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211203/5f3839b7a5eee8c3ec38bf486c6455ca.jpg

[Rex G]

Rex G... Here is the tilt I was able to create with my Henry Holster Sparks. Both are the Spark model, just for different lights (X300 and TLR7).
It's not a huge amount but it's noticeable when I wear it.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211203/5f3839b7a5eee8c3ec38bf486c6455ca.jpg

Thanks for posting this. Very informative.

[4RNR]

Rex G... Here is the tilt I was able to create with my Henry Holster Sparks. Both are the Spark model, just for different lights (X300 and TLR7).
It's not a huge amount but it's noticeable when I wear it.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211203/5f3839b7a5eee8c3ec38bf486c6455ca.jpgWhats the padded belt and tan loop?

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[GearFondler]

Whats the padded belt and tan loop?

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That's the Sport Belt option from Phlster with a shortened (by my wife) shoulder strap pad I bought from Amazon that is attached to the unpadded strap section on the grip side.

lanhe tactical Removable Shoulder... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07RGQ99KS?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

I'm not sure what you mean by the "tan loop"? There's an aluminum tri-glide buckle behind the added on strap pad... Maybe that's what you mean?

[Maca]

I’ve been carrying a dotted Glock 45 in an Enigma with great results.

Has anyone tried carrying an all steel 1911? Lately, I’ve fallen back in love with my stainless Sokol, and ordered an Enigma shell from Tony this week. Would appreciate any thoughts while I wait for the Kydex to arrive.

[GearFondler]

I’ve been carrying a dotted Glock 45 in an Enigma with great results.

Has anyone tried carrying an all steel 1911? Lately, I’ve fallen back in love with my stainless Sokol, and ordered an Enigma shell from Tony this week. Would appreciate any thoughts while I wait for the Kydex to arrive.There's guys on the FB page that carry 2011's in their Enigma, so yeah, it can definitely be done.

[xmanhockey7]

I’ve been carrying a dotted Glock 45 in an Enigma with great results.

Has anyone tried carrying an all steel 1911? Lately, I’ve fallen back in love with my stainless Sokol, and ordered an Enigma shell from Tony this week. Would appreciate any thoughts while I wait for the Kydex to arrive.

I’ll carry my full size 1911 in the LBE. I love it. Daily carry? I’m too lazy to carry that much gun, but if I want to carry that gun in sweat pants I can.

[Sanch]

I still can’t figure out how to adjust the leg strap to avoid it sagging down. I don’t Facebook so the user group is inaccessible to me.

Biggest issue is when I walk around town, if I jog to catch a cross light before it turns red, or if I’m walking up stairs, the leg strap slowly sags down until it’s completely flopping around my thigh at a lower level/angle. And as I walk, impedes my steps because the sagging strap acts to prevent my strap-leg from moving forward ahead.

If I tighten the strap or move it higher, I notice it, and it causes noticeable pressure.

I feel like I get it adjusted right sometimes, like within a very narrow range of 1/4” and maybe I lose or gain a few pounds over a month and then it’s the wrong size again. And since the leg strap adjustment requires I undo the entire leg strap from the hitch knot, and since testing the new length requires I re-do the hitch knot again, it becomes a massive hassle and I’m really disliking the enigma. Although the potential is fantastic and I’m sure if I could figure out the adjustment, I would adore this thing.

[JCS]

I still can’t figure out how to adjust the leg strap to avoid it sagging down. I don’t Facebook so the user group is inaccessible to me.

Biggest issue is when I walk around town, if I jog to catch a cross light before it turns red, or if I’m walking up stairs, the leg strap slowly sags down until it’s completely flopping around my thigh at a lower level/angle. And as I walk, impedes my steps because the sagging strap acts to prevent my strap-leg from moving forward ahead.

If I tighten the strap or move it higher, I notice it, and it causes noticeable pressure.

I feel like I get it adjusted right sometimes, like within a very narrow range of 1/4” and maybe I lose or gain a few pounds over a month and then it’s the wrong size again. And since the leg strap adjustment requires I undo the entire leg strap from the hitch knot, and since testing the new length requires I re-do the hitch knot again, it becomes a massive hassle and I’m really disliking the enigma. Although the potential is fantastic and I’m sure if I could figure out the adjustment, I would adore this thing.

https://www.phlsterholsters.com/whats-up-with-the-enigma-leg-leash/

and

https://www.phlsterholsters.com/enigma-leg-leash-adjustment-beyond-the-basics/

[4RNR]

I still can’t figure out how to adjust the leg strap to avoid it sagging down. I don’t Facebook so the user group is inaccessible to me.

Biggest issue is when I walk around town, if I jog to catch a cross light before it turns red, or if I’m walking up stairs, the leg strap slowly sags down until it’s completely flopping around my thigh at a lower level/angle. And as I walk, impedes my steps because the sagging strap acts to prevent my strap-leg from moving forward ahead.

If I tighten the strap or move it higher, I notice it, and it causes noticeable pressure.

I feel like I get it adjusted right sometimes, like within a very narrow range of 1/4” and maybe I lose or gain a few pounds over a month and then it’s the wrong size again. And since the leg strap adjustment requires I undo the entire leg strap from the hitch knot, and since testing the new length requires I re-do the hitch knot again, it becomes a massive hassle and I’m really disliking the enigma. Although the potential is fantastic and I’m sure if I could figure out the adjustment, I would adore this thing.Pretty much where I'm at, Facebook and all.

Yes there are aftermarket leashes but I'm really not the type to play parts compatibility. It's just burning money. I may come back to it later but probably not. Just cut my loses and do what I've been doing

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[EVP]

I still can’t figure out how to adjust the leg strap to avoid it sagging down. I don’t Facebook so the user group is inaccessible to me.

Biggest issue is when I walk around town, if I jog to catch a cross light before it turns red, or if I’m walking up stairs, the leg strap slowly sags down until it’s completely flopping around my thigh at a lower level/angle. And as I walk, impedes my steps because the sagging strap acts to prevent my strap-leg from moving forward ahead.

If I tighten the strap or move it higher, I notice it, and it causes noticeable pressure.

I feel like I get it adjusted right sometimes, like within a very narrow range of 1/4” and maybe I lose or gain a few pounds over a month and then it’s the wrong size again. And since the leg strap adjustment requires I undo the entire leg strap from the hitch knot, and since testing the new length requires I re-do the hitch knot again, it becomes a massive hassle and I’m really disliking the enigma. Although the potential is fantastic and I’m sure if I could figure out the adjustment, I would adore this thing.


I had the same issues and also the clip kept coming undone. I have seen it has been redesigned.


Look at post 618 by blades. He routes it through the enigma and that seems to work for me. I still find the Enigma not comfortable as my normal belt holsters with all the sharp edges and the belt buckle.

Does anyone remember or have the link of the aftermarket covers or whatever for the enigma?

[dontshakepandas]

I had the same issues and also the clip kept coming undone. I have seen it has been redesigned.


Look at post 618 by blades. He routes it through the enigma and that seems to work for me. I still find the Enigma not comfortable as my normal belt holsters with all the sharp edges and the belt buckle.

Does anyone remember or have the link of the aftermarket covers or whatever for the enigma?

https://www.levodesigns.com/shop/

[David S.]

I don't find weight gain/loss is too much of an issue. I do find that it does't take much to move the slider and extend up the leg leash.

One of things that helped for me was tying an overhand knot in the leash on the double string part near the slider to prevent it from lengthening. This has almost eliminated the problem for me.

[EVP]

Awesome thanks!

I will pick one of the papooses up and give it a try.

I like the enigma concept and idea but I dont find it doing anything my belt holsters can’t do already except be more uncomfortable.

[trajiiic]

Hello,

I've looked through all of Phlster's recommended light bearing holster recommendations but I haven't been able to find one that fits either of my carry guns:

Use: EDC
Gun: Shield Shield 9mm Gen1 W/ TLR-6, threaded barrel, XS Big Dots, Extended mag
Holster: T-Rex Arms Gen 1 sidecar

Use: Exercise/ landscaping/ Sweat Pants
Gun: Taurus TCP 7380 (.380acp)
Holster: Smart Carry Gun + Mag holster

I'd love to use the Enigma with the Taurus since it's a much lighter gun. I understand it's not a great gun but it's been proven reliable with 100s of training rounds and my carry ammo with Mecgar mags. I'm not willing to go without my TLR-6 on my EDC. Does anyone here have any ideas for how I might get into either standard or light bearing Enigma with these guns? I normally jog with the Taurus but I'm not completely happy with how difficult it can be to draw from. I'm not against running with the shield but I just don't have a good non-belt option.

The best I've found has been We The People Holsters with the additional "holster claw" option.

Any help is appreciated. I'd love to go on a run with the dog more often.


EDIT:

I double checked the list for the non-light bearing vendors and I might have found one for the Taurus.
https://shop.roundedgear.com/products/iwb-kydex-holster

[David S.]

Hello,

I've looked through all of Phlster's recommended light bearing holster recommendations but I haven't been able to find one that fits either of my carry guns:

Use: EDC
Gun: Shield Shield 9mm Gen1 W/ TLR-6, threaded barrel, XS Big Dots, Extended mag
Holster: T-Rex Arms Gen 1 sidecar

Use: Exercise/ landscaping/ Sweat Pants
Gun: Taurus TCP 7380 (.380acp)
Holster: Smart Carry Gun + Mag holster

I'd love to use the Enigma with the Taurus since it's a much lighter gun. I understand it's not a great gun but it's been proven reliable with 100s of training rounds and my carry ammo with Mecgar mags. I'm not willing to go without my TLR-6 on my EDC. Does anyone here have any ideas for how I might get into either standard or light bearing Enigma with these guns? I normally jog with the Taurus but I'm not completely happy with how difficult it can be to draw from. I'm not against running with the shield but I just don't have a good non-belt option.

The best I've found has been We The People Holsters with the additional "holster claw" option.

Any help is appreciated. I'd love to go on a run with the dog more often.


EDIT:

I double checked the list for the non-light bearing vendors and I might have found one for the Taurus.
https://shop.roundedgear.com/products/iwb-kydex-holster

I'm pretty sure the linked holster won't work because it doesn't use a wing. I don't know for sure, but I'm afraid you might struggle finding a decent holster for that Taurus combo.

ETA: That said, you may find that your S&W Shield works fine in that role once mounted to the Enigma. I suspect you'll have an easier time finding a decent holster for that.

[orionz06]

EDIT:

I double checked the list for the non-light bearing vendors and I might have found one for the Taurus.
https://shop.roundedgear.com/products/iwb-kydex-holster

That vendor does sell a wing as an add-on, so it should work. That said, they don't show it with the correct hardware, but that's easy enough.

[rdtompki]

Worked my way through 64+ pages due to a recurring interest in AIWB. I'm currently using a Certum at 4:00. When I try an AIWB experiment with same I simply can't sit down without the Staccato C beavertail digging in. I'm not skinny but don't have a gut at 6', 195 lbs. I'm assuming I would need a holster with a sweat shield or similar that would soften those features. Any/all suggestions welcome. FWIW I'm pretty set on getting down to 180 but I don't see that as making much of a difference wrt the beavertail. Whether I could make an Enigma work is almost a separate issue; I'm at the range 3/week where I have to remove EDC gear, practice with competition gear, and go back to EDC. I could lower my pants to R&R an Enigma setup, but taking shoes/boots and trousers on/off would be a non-starter. Still, I'm interested.

[EVP]

Worked my way through 64+ pages due to a recurring interest in AIWB. I'm currently using a Certum at 4:00. When I try an AIWB experiment with same I simply can't sit down without the Staccato C beavertail digging in. I'm not skinny but don't have a gut at 6', 195 lbs. I'm assuming I would need a holster with a sweat shield or similar that would soften those features. Any/all suggestions welcome. FWIW I'm pretty set on getting down to 180 but I don't see that as making much of a difference wrt the beavertail. Whether I could make an Enigma work is almost a separate issue; I'm at the range 3/week where I have to remove EDC gear, practice with competition gear, and go back to EDC. I could lower my pants to R&R an Enigma setup, but taking shoes/boots and trousers on/off would be a non-starter. Still, I'm interested.



Just guessing on your situation but do you have this problem with regular belt AIWB holsters? Maybe the holster is placed to low for your body type or too much tuck.


Any more info on your setup and maybe some other can give a crack at helping.

[WobblyPossum]

Worked my way through 64+ pages due to a recurring interest in AIWB. I'm currently using a Certum at 4:00. When I try an AIWB experiment with same I simply can't sit down without the Staccato C beavertail digging in. I'm not skinny but don't have a gut at 6', 195 lbs. I'm assuming I would need a holster with a sweat shield or similar that would soften those features. Any/all suggestions welcome. FWIW I'm pretty set on getting down to 180 but I don't see that as making much of a difference wrt the beavertail. Whether I could make an Enigma work is almost a separate issue; I'm at the range 3/week where I have to remove EDC gear, practice with competition gear, and go back to EDC. I could lower my pants to R&R an Enigma setup, but taking shoes/boots and trousers on/off would be a non-starter. Still, I'm interested.

I don’t think a higher sweat shield would stop the beaver tail from poking you, at least on any good holster. A sweat shield that stopped a beaver tail from poking you, like with most of those hybrid holsters, would interfere with getting a good master grip during the draw.

An Enigma wouldn’t require you to remove your shoes or completely remove your trousers. You could take the Enigma off without even lowering your pants as long as you could undo the leg leash through your pants fabric. You would need to lower your pants to put the enigma back on when you were done shooting your competition setup at the range, though.

[camsdaddy]

Does anyone know of a compatible holster that will will work for a 3" k frame?

[jrbway]

Does anyone know of a compatible holster that will will work for a 3" k frame?

JM Custom makes a WC 2.0 that works well, and I think he can also make an enigma shell (fixed retention).

[nycnoob]

Does anyone know of a compatible holster that will will work for a 3" k frame?

https://www.jmcustomkydex.com/p/ES-Enigma-Shell-Holster.html

[camsdaddy]

I had checked quick ship but not custom. Thanks guys

[Up1911Fan]

Finally added a Papoose and Rego leg leash to my J Frame Enigma. Both great upgrades to my " if I'm awake and in my house" carry rig.

[snow white]

Am I crazy for wanting an enigma capable of holding two J frame revolvers? It's all I've been thinking about for like two weeks.

[GearFondler]

Am I crazy for wanting an enigma capable of holding two J frame revolvers? It's all I've been thinking about for like two weeks.I don't think you are. It might be possible to bolt a pair together using the wings to overlap each other.

[snow white]

I don't think you are. It might be possible to bolt a pair together using the wings to overlap each other.

Good idea

[snow white]

I need to buy like 1.5 enigmas to make this happen. I want to keep my standard EDC example as it is.

[Blades]

Am I crazy for wanting an enigma capable of holding two J frame revolvers? It's all I've been thinking about for like two weeks.

Nope.

[Hideeho]

Am I crazy for wanting an enigma capable of holding two J frame revolvers? It's all I've been thinking about for like two weeks.

A solution, buy two Philster City Slicker holsters then attach them to a Mastermind Tactics’ Specialist Covert Belt. I’m a big fan of the Enigma and Philster—both products and people. But this set up might work better for J frames even though it doesn’t have a leg leash. Depending on your body type, the short barrel might not need a leg leash. A flat pad gives the offset I need.

Note: I use an Enigma with my LCR in 327 because of the revolver’s size and weight. The J frame’s form factor and a few less ounces make a difference. On the other hand, the Enigma makes carrying my Staccato C just as concealable and comfortable as the LCR. The Bigger the Gun, the Better the Enigma. That should be worth some Philster swag.

[snow white]

A solution, buy two Philster City Slicker holsters then attach them to a Mastermind Tactics’ Specialist Covert Belt. I’m a big fan of the Enigma and Philster—both products and people. But this set up might work better for J frames even though it doesn’t have a leg leash. Depending on your body type, the short barrel might not need a leg leash. A flat pad gives the offset I need.

Note: I use an Enigma with my LCR in 327 because of the revolver’s size and weight. The J frame’s form factor and a few less ounces make a difference. On the other hand, the Enigma makes carrying my Staccato C just as concealable and comfortable as the LCR. The Bigger the Gun, the Better the Enigma. That should be worth some Philster swag.

Funny I find i enjoy the enigma most with small guns. Using the mastermind belt is a solid suggestion.

[Irelander]

I heard a while back that there was an Enigma version in the works that would be compatible with non-wing holsters like the JMCK George. Did that happen?

[GearFondler]

I heard a while back that there was an Enigma version in the works that would be compatible with non-wing holsters like the JMCK George. Did that happen?Nope

[backtrail540]

I recently tried a few of the newer phlster enhancement/upgrade/optional parts - the updated leg leash and the slim buckle. While i've been happy with my levo designs bumster, I wanted to see if the changes to the leg leash fixed my issues with it slipping down and also coming apart. Same issue with the leash slipping despite tightness being tight enough for discomfort and worrying about circulation. I'm guessing leg shape is the culprit here. The buckle on the new leg leash does solve the coming apart issue, it would seem. No problem though, back to the bumster.

The slim buckle on the other hand will take more time to form a strong opinion on. I namely have an issue running an awib mag pouch and having a large bulge where the fidlock is (once a mag pouch is somewhat under it). It tends to ride above the belt line and is a simple annoyance. The slim buckle does make for a flatter profile, but at the expense of more troublesome effort threading the belt. The enigma is already more work to wear than a belt holster and this makes it worse. I'm going to wear it with several outfits for a month or so and see if the juice is worth the squeeze. Location is fine with the fidlock but bulk is a problem. I get more real estate with the slim buckle with less bulk but it's more trouble to put on.

[GearFondler]

I recently tried a few of the newer phlster enhancement/upgrade/optional parts - the updated leg leash and the slim buckle. While i've been happy with my levo designs bumster, I wanted to see if the changes to the leg leash fixed my issues with it slipping down and also coming apart. Same issue with the leash slipping despite tightness being tight enough for discomfort and worrying about circulation. I'm guessing leg shape is the culprit here. The buckle on the new leg leash does solve the coming apart issue, it would seem. No problem though, back to the bumster.

The slim buckle on the other hand will take more time to form a strong opinion on. I namely have an issue running an awib mag pouch and having a large bulge where the fidlock is (once a mag pouch is somewhat under it). It tends to ride above the belt line and is a simple annoyance. The slim buckle does make for a flatter profile, but at the expense of more troublesome effort threading the belt. The enigma is already more work to wear than a belt holster and this makes it worse. I'm going to wear it with several outfits for a month or so and see if the juice is worth the squeeze. Location is fine with the fidlock but bulk is a problem. I get more real estate with the slim buckle with less bulk but it's more trouble to put on.Have you considered swapping the belt around so the buckle is on the other side? This will move it to opposite of your reload.

[backtrail540]

Have you considered swapping the belt around so the buckle is on the other side? This will move it to opposite of your reload.

Swell idea! and one I'll have to give a shot. Not sure why I haven't at this point, it's a seemingly obvious answer. Thanks!

[Caballoflaco]

Swell idea! and one I'll have to give a shot. Not sure why I haven't at this point, it's a seemingly obvious answer. Thanks!

I use the slim buckle mounted to the grip side of the pistol and with a larger gun I think it makes threading the buckle easier because it gives you better control over the gun while you’re putting the belt on. I also use the index finger on my support hand to hold the buckle slide in place while I’m getting everything ready to put on, that makes getting everything lined up a lot simpler.

[MDFA]

We recently got my wife an Enigma and the Levo Papoose for her SIG 365 and it is an absolute game changer. My wife is an Instructor and we owned our own training business. Being a cops wife she understands the importance of carrying for self defense and the pros and cons of on body vs off body. No matter what we tried JMCK AIWB Holsters/Graith Specialists Belt, Milt Sparks SS2 etc. Nothing worked for her for concealment and comfort in typical Florida wardrobe. I finally showed her the Enigma and she agreed to give it a try. She began wearing it around the house to try the concept out and actually wore it for 7 hrs or so. We added the Levo Papoose for added comfort, as she didn't want a full additional layer of clothing in Florida heat. She's been wearing the combination consistently and it's working very well for her. So far we are very impressed with the concept and it's execution.

[camsdaddy]

I like the slim buckle except I have a hard time keeping the rod from falling out when Im taking the belt on and off.

[runcible]

...I have a hard time keeping the rod from falling out when Im taking the belt on and off.

:eek:

Jefe, I'm happy for you.

[Caballoflaco]

I like the slim buckle except I have a hard time keeping the rod from falling out when Im taking the belt on and off.

I’ll post some pictures later of the best method I’ve found to do that. That dang slider frustrated me for a while.

[Thy.Will.Be.Done]

Anybody know if the Enigma will work with the Tenicor Certum or Velo holsters assuming one uses the fixed retention kit hardware? Torn between getting one of those or using the Phlster fixed retention holster, the Skeleton. I really don't like that it is black though, when I can have the Tenicors in the sexy Shivworks gray instead. Now I can order a gray belt from Phlster for the Enigma, trying to stay away from black and I have a tan NRA edition 365 that I intend to carry with the Enigma.

[dontshakepandas]

Anybody know if the Enigma will work with the Tenicor Certum or Velo holsters assuming one uses the fixed retention kit hardware? Torn between getting one of those or using the Phlster fixed retention holster, the Skeleton. I really don't like that it is black though, when I can have the Tenicors in the sexy Shivworks gray instead. Now I can order a gray belt from Phlster for the Enigma, trying to stay away from black and I have a tan NRA edition 365 that I intend to carry with the Enigma.

The Tenicor holsters won’t work since they don’t use a claw.

Go with the Enigma shell from JMCK. They are by far the best option I’ve used and come in gray.

[MDFA]

Anybody know if the Enigma will work with the Tenicor Certum or Velo holsters assuming one uses the fixed retention kit hardware? Torn between getting one of those or using the Phlster fixed retention holster, the Skeleton. I really don't like that it is black though, when I can have the Tenicors in the sexy Shivworks gray instead. Now I can order a gray belt from Phlster for the Enigma, trying to stay away from black and I have a tan NRA edition 365 that I intend to carry with the Enigma.

You can get the Levo Papoose cover in gray which covers the whole Enigma system. The Skeleton Holster is nice, but I would prefer color options and a full body shield like the JMCK shell. We may get the JMCK shell for my wife.

[jellydonut]

The Tenicor Certum has a camming bar, why would the camming bar work less well than a claw? The fulcrum is in the same position as a claw.

[backtrail540]

The Tenicor Certum has a camming bar, why would the camming bar work less well than a claw? The fulcrum is in the same position as a claw.

The enigma attaches via the claws screws as anchor points for the chassis. The tenicor holsters don't have screw holes at that position.

John Hauptman did have an IG experiment showing tenicor holsters working on a light bearing enigma though. I tried it with mine and it is workable but suboptimal in my opinion, unless one had both a lb enigma and tenicor already, and needed to make do.

[runcible]

DSP is correct, in that Tenicor holster by and large are not compatible with the Enigma, given the absence of the traditional and ModWing-based hole pattern.

That said, several Tenicor holsters are compatible with the Enigma LC, even if the holster itself isn't light-bearing; the hole patterns align.

https://www.phlsterholsters.com/how-to-find-a-compatible-holster-light-bearing-enigma/

https://www.instagram.com/p/CH6LrxelwjX/?igshid=25aofnolkhhc

https://www.instagram.com/p/CQWIsKglnEE/

[Rex G]

DSP is correct, in that Tenicor holster by and large are not compatible with the Enigma, given the absence of the traditional and ModWing-based hole pattern.

That said, several Tenicor holsters are compatible with the Enigma LC, even if the holster itself isn't light-bearing; the hole patterns align.

https://www.phlsterholsters.com/how-to-find-a-compatible-holster-light-bearing-enigma/

https://www.instagram.com/p/CH6LrxelwjX/?igshid=25aofnolkhhc

https://www.instagram.com/p/CQWIsKglnEE/

This is the same conclusion I reached. Phlster does not actually recommend such experimentation, but if one wants to tinker, the version for pistols with WMLs is the one to order, and that is what I did. Of course, if my experiments fail, that is on me, so I would not expect to have any return privileges. (I have several ideas that I want to try, including uses the Enigma to tote highly-valuable items that are not firearms, in areas where firearms are forbidden; in effect, a traveler’s money belt on steroids.)

[EVP]

I don’t use my enigma as my exclusive holster but I do use it o”when wearing gym shorts while doing yard work or stuff. JMCK enigma shell is great.

The Levo papoose is a great addition and think it is mandatory. There is no reason why the enigma has to have such sharp edges and such. In its stock form it is more uncomfortable then a regular AIWB belt holster. The leg leash could benefit again from Levo designs. I had problems with it from the beginning and see that it is redesigned now. I don’t need the leash.

Either way it is a nice design idea that I am kinda meh about but JMCK enigma shell and Levo designs came through and made the product/concept better.

[runcible]

Phlster does not actually recommend such experimentation...

Nah dude, it's totally fine. Plenty of people are running around with Certums\etc attached to Enigma LCs. Other than potentially folding the attachment tab for the leg leash, it's pretty well-explored as of this writing.

[Rex G]

Nah dude, it's totally fine. Plenty of people are running around with Certums\etc attached to Enigma LCs. Other than potentially folding the attachment tab for the leg leash, it's pretty well-explored as of this writing.

Good to know. I do not use the forms of social media where much Enigma information is shared, so I was just going by what was stated on the main site, at the time I bought the version for WML pistol holsters. I carefully eyeballed the images, and decided to go for it.

[UNM1136]

I just got mine, for the LCR 9mm.

HATED IT until I watched all the youthingy videos on setting it up, now it is my favorite holster/blaster for when I really don't feel like carrying a gun. Both gyms, the neighborhood grocery store, answering the door...The Mrs., who frequently gazes longling at my body and then asks if I am gaining weight fully approved of the concealment in my gym clothes, which included an almost see through WallyWorld Deadpool "Maximum Effort" T-shirt.

Gonna need another for the Glocks...

And maybe a more appreciative wife.

But I got 29 years invested in this one,...

The wife, not the holster.

pat

[xmanhockey7]

Just want to say this is concealed carry on true concealed mode. I got in on the first batch of Enigmas available to the public. First two pictures is a G19X and I want to say I’m not a big guy. Full size grip appendix for me is a lot of gun. Last picture is a 365 with 12 round mag and 15 round spare. Both shirts are relatively tight on me. I used to always wear pants with a belt because how else could you CC unless you used Smartcarry or went down to a J frame with strong metal clip. It’s truly a game changer and allows deep concealment with a tucked in polo and khaki pants.

I will say I’ve been wearing 32” pants for a while. They’re to the point without carrying my enigma they fit fine, but are getting a bit tight. With Engima it’s a lot to pack in. If I truly measure my waist it is 34”. Im finding 34” pants with enigma do fit well. But, I mostly use Engima in sweats and that’s what I mostly wear outside of work. I also find adding in a wedge can be extremely helpful especially with sweats.

One last thing I’ve found is going deep concealment a shorter holster is best. So many people want a longer holster for short barrel guns and I totally get that, but for deep concealment a 365 with true 365 length holster is where it’s at. That’s something I struggled with for a while, but Phlsters Skelton holster fixed that.

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[Irelander]

I've tried my Enigma with a few small pistols but it just didn't work for me.

Today I modified a Harry's Icon holster for my 642 to work with the Enigma. I think I found the combo that works for me. Been wearing it most of the day in comfort. It's kinda freeing not to wear a belt.

[Mercworx]

Got mine a few days ago. Will definitely serve its purpose which for me was basically just to carry when out on daily walks/walking the kids around the neighborhood. I’d like to be able to wear athletic gear. Beyond that the wing-claw absolutely kills me. They are not very compatible with my body type.

[Caballoflaco]

Got mine a few days ago. Will definitely serve its purpose which for me was basically just to carry when out on daily walks/walking the kids around the neighborhood. I’d like to be able to wear athletic gear. Beyond that the wing-claw absolutely kills me. They are not very compatible with my body type.

I use a home-folded holster with foam wedge and some spacers instead of the wing/claw with my enigma and it’s worked great for 2+ years.

[camsdaddy]

I had my Enigma set up with a holster for a Glock 19. I always found myself going to my Glock 26 in a 26 length holster. I just got a shipment notice that my JMKydex shell for my 26 is preparing to ship. Im hoping this is the ticket. I know that in some situations a longer holster can be a benefit. I am hoping the 26 holster is close enough to 26 length to work in this situation

[nalesq]

I had my Enigma set up with a holster for a Glock 19. I always found myself going to my Glock 26 in a 26 length holster. I just got a shipment notice that my JMKydex shell for my 26 is preparing to ship. Im hoping this is the ticket. I know that in some situations a longer holster can be a benefit. I am hoping the 26 holster is close enough to 26 length to work in this situation

The Enigma drops the holster so low I had some occasional comfort issues with a Walther PPS shell originally designed for belt use that also had a lengthened muzzle end. A minute or two with a dremel cutting wheel and some touching up with sandpaper and I was easily able to modify it to my preference.


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[Mercworx]

I use a home-folded holster with foam wedge and some spacers instead of the wing/claw with my enigma and it’s worked great for 2+ years.



I’ll see if I can replicate this. Was going to order a shell that did not have a claw

[GearFondler]

I’ll see if I can replicate this. Was going to order a shell that did not have a clawWhy not just remove the claw and substitute in a few spacers? A no-claw holster will probably still need spacers for the faceplate to sit correctly as well as the correct rivet holes required by the claw in order to work with the Enigma.

[Caballoflaco]

Why not just remove the claw and substitute in a few spacers? A no-claw holster will probably still need spacers for the faceplate to sit correctly as well as the correct rivet holes required by the claw in order to work with the Enigma.

He could probably just cut the claw part off if he doesn’t want to mess with finding spacers.

[GearFondler]

He could probably just cut the claw flush with the edge of the holster if he didn’t want to mess with finding spacers.Or just leave the Claw's arm in place and simply remove the standoff insert at the top.

[Up1911Fan]

Is anyone using a Levo Bumpster instead of a leg leash? Thoughts if so?

[PNWTO]

Is anyone using a Levo Bumpster instead of a leg leash? Thoughts if so?

As a secondary source; from a friend with one. The bumpster is great for the use cases/alternatives as described on the Levi page but will almost certainly fight for right of way with male anatomy.

My wife’s friend loves it for short-shorts, her husband tried it for about thirty seconds and stopped.

[EVP]

Is anyone using a Levo Bumpster instead of a leg leash? Thoughts if so?

The leg leash was a weak point in the enigma system. I got rid of it because of all the troubles with it loosening /unsnapping at inconvenient times. Instead I took a DCC clip and attached it to the face side over the wing. It grabs and also solves the problem of the waist of the pants riding up higher preventing from a good draw. Just adding the Dcc clip made it a better setup for me as well as the Levo cover kit. I think it is called the papoose.

[BobM]

Is anyone using a Levo Bumpster instead of a leg leash? Thoughts if so?

I recently switched to the Bumster and like it much better. I’m going to order more for my daughter and I when she gets me her measurements. I’ve worn it lifting and to yoga and it’s easier to deal with than the stock leash.

[GearFondler]

Is anyone using a Levo Bumpster instead of a leg leash? Thoughts if so?I made my own version of the Bumster and it's so much better than the leg leash... As in I never even think about it as I wear it.
As for the interference comment, I don't get that either. The strap starts out to the side of your business and passes underneath across the taint, and mine clips to the side in the back (about 4:00) so it never tries to ride up my butt crack.

[camsdaddy]

Its been 9 months since an update. Is everyone still happy? Has anyone found any hacks since the last mention?

[dontshakepandas]

I still love mine. I have 3 and if I’m leaving the house I have one of them on. I don’t use other holsters at all unless it’s for a j-frame and I’m just lazy to put the enigma on.

I have one Lightbearing Express with Glock + ACRO + P2, one non light bearing express that I swapped to a JMCK shell for a G17 that I use for various size Glocks depending on the day, and a standard model with JMCK G17 shell that I use if I’m doing something active or range days just to cut down the sweat on the two I normally use.

I get way better concealment with the Enigma vs anything else I’ve tried, I find them more comfortable (with the sporty belt), and they work with any pants.

I like the express face better than the standard, but like a longer holster so I’m using the JMCK even though they say not to. The dimensions of the holsters are basically identical other than barrel length so I don’t anticipate any issues, but I haven’t been running this one that long yet. Concealment wasn’t impacted by changing the shell.

The sport belt should be standard. The regular belt is seriously awful, and the sport belt makes such a huge difference. Just order it along with the enigma.

I don’t use a leg leash at all. I didn’t find it super uncomfortable, but I just found it unnecessary since I added a DCC clip. I can go a whole day at the range doing draws and I don’t get any movement.

I added the DCC clip because I’d run into situations where some pants would shift on top of the enigma resulting in the gun being too low below the belt line to get a good grip. The DCC clip keeps my pants and belt positioned where I want them so they don’t impede my grip, and also prevents shifting when drawing as mentioned previously.

Phlster doesn’t recommend the clip since it makes part of the package externally visible and won’t work for deep carry positions where the holster is deep beneath the belt line. I don’t use it for either of those scenarios, so those aren’t concerns for me.

The only downside is that they are difficult to put on without taking your pants off. If you are constantly going places where you have to disarm and then rearm it may not be a good choice for you.

[Elwin]

I like the express face better than the standard, but like a longer holster so I’m using the JMCK even though they say not to. The dimensions of the holsters are basically identical other than barrel length so I don’t anticipate any issues, but I haven’t been running this one that long yet. Concealment wasn’t impacted by changing the shell.

I didn't know you weren't supposed to do that. The only downside I can see is maybe your chosen holster doesn't lead to a correct ride height with the Express plate, but like you I've found my JMCK holster works fine. My dad had an Express for a J Frame he ended up not liking, so I got just the Enigma system from him because I don't own any J Frames, and he kept the City Special. I use it as my primary 1911 carry now with a JM 2.0 I already had. It works great.

I only plan on buying Express models in future, but lucky for me the only Enigma currently on my buy list is one for an LCR, so I'll use PHLster's holster for that. Same if I end up with an 856 at some point and want an Enigma for that.

There's a DCC clip on the outside of my Enigma too but it's for a mag carrier, clipped to my pants under my belt for just a little more security than having it riding only on the Enigma. I find it helps for day-to-day use to keep the pants about where they need to be for a good draw. If I was taking a class or doing really draw-intensive practice I'd switch back to a Tenicor traditionally mounted on a belt, but for dry fire and my typical range trip the Enigma is stable enough.

Also I'm one of those people who gets along fine with the stock leg leash.

[G19Fan]

I still love mine. I have 3 and if I’m leaving the house I have one of them on. I don’t use other holsters at all unless it’s for a j-frame and I’m just lazy to put the enigma on.

I have one Lightbearing Express with Glock + ACRO + P2, one non light bearing express that I swapped to a JMCK shell for a G17 that I use for various size Glocks depending on the day, and a standard model with JMCK G17 shell that I use if I’m doing something active or range days just to cut down the sweat on the two I normally use.

I get way better concealment with the Enigma vs anything else I’ve tried, I find them more comfortable (with the sporty belt), and they work with any pants.

I like the express face better than the standard, but like a longer holster so I’m using the JMCK even though they say not to. The dimensions of the holsters are basically identical other than barrel length so I don’t anticipate any issues, but I haven’t been running this one that long yet. Concealment wasn’t impacted by changing the shell.

The sport belt should be standard. The regular belt is seriously awful, and the sport belt makes such a huge difference. Just order it along with the enigma.

I don’t use a leg leash at all. I didn’t find it super uncomfortable, but I just found it unnecessary since I added a DCC clip. I can go a whole day at the range doing draws and I don’t get any movement.

I added the DCC clip because I’d run into situations where some pants would shift on top of the enigma resulting in the gun being too low below the belt line to get a good grip. The DCC clip keeps my pants and belt positioned where I want them so they don’t impede my grip, and also prevents shifting when drawing as mentioned previously.

Phlster doesn’t recommend the clip since it makes part of the package externally visible and won’t work for deep carry positions where the holster is deep beneath the belt line. I don’t use it for either of those scenarios, so those aren’t concerns for me.

The only downside is that they are difficult to put on without taking your pants off. If you are constantly going places where you have to disarm and then rearm it may not be a good choice for you.

Have run a dcc clip for years love it. If you want to deep conceal just unclip.and use enigma behind beltline

[Maca]

Can you post a photo of how you are using thevDCC clip?

[BobM]

I now have three, two are Expresses, for J frames and a Shield, and my first one with a JMCK shell and a sport belt. My daughter has two, J frame and Shield. It’s a niche use thing for me. I just put the J frame Express on to go to my yoga class. I’ll wear one with gym clothes around the house or walking the dog, etc.
I think it’s an excellent option for women who carry.

[Dog Face Gremlin]

They’ve been teasing this for awhile. I ran across it and snagged some screenshots from a FB video. This looks to be a game changer in carry gear. Can be worn with sweatpants and still gives you grip tuck and security. 633266332763328

Hmmm......looks Mid-evil.

[Nephrology]

I have one so I can theoretically carry in scrubs, but I honestly prefer not to bring a gun to a hospital so I haven't really gotten much use out of it so far.

[Up1911Fan]

I still love my pair. One for my carry gun that very rarely gets used, but I wear a snub in one all the time when I'm home. Best sweatpant/boardshort option I've found.

[dontshakepandas]

Can you post a photo of how you are using thevDCC clip?

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[Maca]

Thank you.

[centex]

I've got four Enigma that I've been running in various configurations over the last few years, so what follows is what has worked well for me. My primary usage is deep carry, and much of my experimentation is colored from taking Rhett's "Imperceptible Handgun" class last year.

- Express vs. Standard: Express is my strong preference. I've got three (LCR, 365, 365xl), and one standard. The faceplate on the standard allows for more customization, but it's got a larger footprint, isn't anymore comfortable, and conceals marginally worse than the Express for me. The Express has fewer parts and is less "fiddly." I've kept one standard around for applications/holsters where the Express isn't available, but the three Express I have see a ton more usage.

- Standard vs. Sport belt - Possibly an unpopular opinion, but I'm not a fan of the sport belt, at all. It wants to ride up on me, it's too wide to conceal well in deep carry, and the stretch makes drawing feel "squishy" to me. I run the standard belt and march on. I understand the use case for the sport belt, but they're not for me.

- Standard vs. reduced buckle - I like both. The standard is easier to take on and off and its fairly low profile in it's own right. The reduced buckle makes carrying a spare mag or fixed blade easier as they can be run closer to the midline with the reduced buckle. I have both, I use both.

- Leg leash - I prefer my leg leash in a bin, nowhere near my person. It's uncomfortable and after thousands of draws there have been exactly zero times where the holster rode up on me without one. When I get a new Enigma, the first step in me setting it up is to remove the leg leash and add it to the parts bin.

[RealSelf]

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Does the DCC get clipped over the waistband or over a belt? Are you running a wing-claw behind the DCC clip, hard to see in the photo.

[dontshakepandas]

Does the DCC get clipped over the waistband or over a belt? Are you running a wing-claw behind the DCC clip, hard to see in the photo.

If I’m wearing a belt it goes over the belt also. I originally intended to keep it behind the belt, but when wearing it that way I had the belt slide up and impede my draw a few times. The spacing of the belt loops on the pants could make that more or less possible.

I am running the wing claw that came with the enigma express.

[EVP]

Its been 9 months since an update. Is everyone still happy? Has anyone found any hacks since the last mention?


I have been running a standard enigma and a WML enigma since the start and I still have mixed feelings about it.

My general thoughts are that it needs some tweaks and aftermarket support to really dial it in.

I think the Levo designs papoose should almost be standard, the stock leg leash sucks and I got rid of them early on. I did not try Levo leg leash designs and that seems to help people. I standardized on JMCK excellent dedicated enigma shells.

[EVP]

I have been running a standard enigma and a WML enigma since the start and I still have mixed feelings about it.

My general thoughts are that it needs some tweaks and aftermarket support to really dial it in.

I think the Levo designs papoose should almost be standard, the stock leg leash sucks and I got rid of them early on. I did not try Levo leg leash designs and that seems to help people. I standardized on JMCK excellent dedicated enigma shells.



Just wanted to add some additional thoughts:

The buckle is a little bigger and material is not as comfortable as it could be.
I not a fan of the sports belt, maybe it works better for bigger people but I found it was just more cumbersome.

My biggest criticism is that the standard enigma screws will back out and get loose effecting the cant of the holster/pistol when practicing or just day to day active wear. Without a dedicated shell the retention would be effected with a dedicated shell the movement of the holster is very annoying. Even when using blue loctite, the screws will still loosen in short order when actually training and using the holster more. Same with the belt to faceplate screws. This is kinda normal with other holsters after awhile but with the enigma it happens quickly and everything has to be retorqued relatively in short order. I feel the two screw attachment to the faceplate to holster/wing area as stable as it could be.

I feel the WML enigma with the way the faceplate attaches to the holster is a better design and I have not experienced the holster shifting after training or extended drawing and movement. I still have to retightened the belt to faceplate screws regularly. The WML faceplate was large and I cut off the leg leash part because it protruded to far and would poke in to my thigh.


I appreciate the enigma and the ingenuity of it but it has its own set of issues that need to be addressed.



I will say that Phlsters website and enigma resources are excellent for women and others who are new to concealed carry.

[Squamis]

I use my two enigmas daily, alternating between a full-size Beretta 92 and a J frame depending on the level of concealment I need. I’m not a very big person and I live in a pretty unfriendly to carry place so the j frame gets carried a lot.

I love the enigma for the bigger and heavier 92. The only issue I have really had is the faceplate/wing running into my leg when carrying in the position that I get the most concealment… but this is already somewhat of an issue with holsters that have wings on them. If the hypothetical enigma 2.0 could have less equipment between the trigger guard and the leg that would be of interest to me.

For the j frame AIWB I have had a lot more mixed feelings. I find that overall width of the enigma, holster, and wing really creates a hard ledge under the grip that prints more than the gun itself. I have remedied this somewhat by removing the claw from the wing and then using a small mastermind pillow at the top of the j frame pushing the sights out from my body slightly to achieve better grip tuck with less printing at the belt line. I would be interested to see if there are ways to slim up the enigma package.

Using the enigma for deep carry with the j frame has also been somewhat hit or miss. I have had issues with some of the hard edges print through pants (the small size buckle has some sharp edges) when a smart carry does not print but offers considerably slower access. I also have tried multiple positions, waist sizes, waist rise, and fabric of pants along with the papoose and have yet to find comfort deep carry that will still not poke me hard randomly through the day. I think that a deep carry specific product could be created to address a lot of these issues. I really should go take the imperceivable handgun class as the benefits of deep carry if I can figure it out for my life style would be huge.

[jandbj]

I use my two enigmas daily, alternating between a full-size Beretta 92 and a J frame depending on the level of concealment I need. I’m not a very big person and I live in a pretty unfriendly to carry place so the j frame gets carried a lot.

I love the enigma for the bigger and heavier 92. The only issue I have really had is the faceplate/wing running into my leg when carrying in the position that I get the most concealment… but this is already somewhat of an issue with holsters that have wings on them. If the hypothetical enigma 2.0 could have less equipment between the trigger guard and the leg that would be of interest to me.

For the j frame AIWB I have had a lot more mixed feelings. I find that overall width of the enigma, holster, and wing really creates a hard ledge under the grip that prints more than the gun itself. I have remedied this somewhat by removing the claw from the wing and then using a small mastermind pillow at the top of the j frame pushing the sights out from my body slightly to achieve better grip tuck with less printing at the belt line. I would be interested to see if there are ways to slim up the enigma package.

Using the enigma for deep carry with the j frame has also been somewhat hit or miss. I have had issues with some of the hard edges print through pants (the small size buckle has some sharp edges) when a smart carry does not print but offers considerably slower access. I also have tried multiple positions, waist sizes, waist rise, and fabric of pants along with the papoose and have yet to find comfort deep carry that will still not poke me hard randomly through the day. I think that a deep carry specific product could be created to address a lot of these issues. I really should go take the imperceivable handgun class as the benefits of deep carry if I can figure it out for my life style would be huge.

I do wish RustyCrusty would come back to grace us with more of his wisdom on this too.
rhamre grips and underarmour boxer briefs may be your best J frame cheat code.

[PNWTO]

My LCR-Express doesn’t get a lot of time any more but I’m still very happy with it and have no regrets. The upcoming flip flop and lightweight short season will probably see more use of it.

I, too, ditched the leg leash.

[Dave Williams]

My LCR-Express doesn’t get a lot of time any more but I’m still very happy with it and have no regrets. The upcoming flip flop and lightweight short season will probably see more use of it.

I, too, ditched the leg leash.

Yeah I had the leg leash hanging down my leg out of my shorts lol, not good. Other than that love my enigmas.

[John Hearne]

Yeah I had the leg leash hanging down my leg out of my shorts lol, not good. Other than that love my enigmas.

You can't look at someone with a straight face and say "it's a leash for the monster."

[EVP]

You can't look at someone with a straight face and say "it's a leash for the monster."

Dang! I wish I would have thought of saying that awhile back when some buddies and I were at TopGolf and that leash kept falling down out of my shorts. The wives were with so maybe it would not have been wise, haha


I took the leg leash off that night.

[MGW]

I bought an Express in an attempt to take some pressure off of my low back. I haven’t been happy with it so far. I have had it about 6 months I think? I’ve tried it with Phlster holsters for an LCR, Glock 48, and Glock 19. I can’t figure out how to keep the holster from moving around vertically as the day goes on. It works itself down so the but of the gun ends up mostly below my belt line. I also don’t find the standard belt comfortable and I don’t think I want to invest more money in it to purchase the sport belt. I feel like the sport belt should be standard issue.

I’m thinking about trying Hunter Constanine’s belt. This is kind of a goofy video but it demonstrates the belt well.

Warning, the music in the beginning is loud.


https://youtu.be/ORO7yEPSGx0?si=8jsZg10uOtkCEAGU

[EVP]

I bought an Express in an attempt to take some pressure off of my low back. I haven’t been happy with it so far. I have had it about 6 months I think? I’ve tried it with Phlster holsters for an LCR, Glock 48, and Glock 19. I can’t figure out how to keep the holster from moving around vertically as the day goes on. It works itself down so the but of the gun ends up mostly below my belt line. I also don’t find the standard belt comfortable and I don’t think I want to invest more money in it to purchase the sport belt. I feel like the sport belt should be standard issue.




That’s another reason why I like using a DCC clip, it prevents that from happening.

[Noah]

Yeah, the sport belt should be standard. My brother uses a DCC clip along the slide side of the holster to keep the vertical position of the pants/belt vs Enigma fixed.

Using deep carry, I haven't found that necessary, yet

[Up1911Fan]

I much prefer the standard belt over the sport belt.

[TAZ]

Someone here pointed me to a DCC clip at the trigger guard mounting screw. That allows me to wear it leg leash free and the unit stays above belt or drawstring line.

Belt wise, I’ve NEVER found standard belts comfortable for AIWB of any kind. I’ve always had to use soft flexible belts. Arcteryx conveyor, Tenicor zero…. Lately a Grove Life elastic belt seems to fit the bill the best.

Ive also found that the back pain is super exaggerated by belt tension. I snug up the enigma bent enough to keep it in place but no more. Once you find the happy spot on your body it shouldn’t feel like you’re wearing a corset.


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[MGW]

That’s another reason why I like using a DCC clip, it prevents that from happening.

I've seen others doing this in the Facebook group. Can you help me understand how using the Enigma with it clipped to your pants is any different/better than using a traditional holster and belt? Do you only use the Enigma for pants that don't need a belt?

[MGW]

I much prefer the standard belt over the sport belt.

How do you have yours set up and what do you carry. I apologize if you have posted this before.

I don't want to give up completely on the Enigma. Too many people are very happy with it. I think Cecil Burch stated that he was using one when I took his class a while back. He's the one that made me take a serious look at the Enigma and to eventually order one.

[Up1911Fan]

How do you have yours set up and what do you carry. I apologize if you have posted this before.

I don't want to give up completely on the Enigma. Too many people are very happy with it. I think Cecil Burch stated that he was using one when I took his class a while back. He's the one that made me take a serious look at the Enigma and to eventually order one.

Daily use with a J-Frame around the house in sweats or boardshorts. I much prefer a real belt and JM WC2.0 for normal carry. I do have one set up for my carry gun, but that very rarely gets used, usually just for below the beltline or under a tucked shirt.

[dontshakepandas]

I've seen others doing this in the Facebook group. Can you help me understand how using the Enigma with it clipped to your pants is any different/better than using a traditional holster and belt? Do you only use the Enigma for pants that don't need a belt?

The biggest difference is that the clip isn't load bearing. It is just there to maintain the position of the pants/belt in regards to your holster. The faceplate of the Enigma is able to apply pressure to the holster and wing in ways that a belt can't for me. I get enough grip tuck to conceal a full size Glock, but I also get pressure applied to the slide side of the holster which prevents printing from my Aimpoint P2.

I also find that the flex of the sport belt allows me to get the system tight enough so that it doesn't shift around and move while still being far more comfortable than a standard belt since it can flex a bit depending on how my body moves. No matter what belt/holster combo I've tried with a standard holster system the holster ends up shifting enough to impact concealment after standing/sitting/moving for a few hours. I don't get that with the Enigma.

I carry with an Enigma no matter what type of pants I'm wearing. If I'm wearing pants with belt loops I also wear a belt just tight enough to keep my pants on and typically have a clinch pick on it.

[EVP]

I've seen others doing this in the Facebook group. Can you help me understand how using the Enigma with it clipped to your pants is any different/better than using a traditional holster and belt? Do you only use the Enigma for pants that don't need a belt?



Yes, I use the enigma for sweatpants and shorts I donÂ’t use a belt with. I can get rid of the leg leash and it prevents the pants or shorts from riding up or down. I have used it with regular pants but I usually use my standard holsters then.


Phlsters website has all sorts of resources for the enigma.

[Blades]

Its been 9 months since an update. Is everyone still happy? Has anyone found any hacks since the last mention?

Yes, I'm still happy. Have I found any hacks? No.
I think I may have been one of the early receivers of a light-bearing Engima. I carried my G19.5/TLR-8 for a while. I upgraded to the Sport Belt after a year or so and am happy with it. I switched to just a G19, no light, last year. I bought a Rego Leg Leash a few months ago and like it a lot better than the original leash.

[vandal]

I use the Enigma Express with the Skeleton 365 x-Macro shell to carry my X-Macro while running. Still using the leg leash and the DCC clip. Once I got the length of the leash from the mount point to the leash clip correct I have not had it pop.

Also using Phlster's wedge pack, and the Sport belt to carry TQ, Quick Clot, and chest seal.

[Up1911Fan]

Here's my "around the house" set up that's worn whenever I'm home and not wearing real pants.
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[Blades]

Bump.
Finally broke some kydex, so I must be doing something right. My wife said "you always wear it, no wonder it broke". 😁
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[Dark Star Gear]

Bump.
Finally broke some kydex, so I must be doing something right. My wife said "you always wear it, no wonder it broke". 😁
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Ping us!

[backtrail540]

V2 dropped this morning.



https://www.phlsterholsters.com/phlster-enigma


https://youtu.be/mj2uZZIZ84I?si=q6eVyva_m9buOqwR

[Rex G]

I liked the look of the Version II improvements, while watching the launch video stream, so, decided to order the Light-Bearing Express model. As I see it, the only hope, for me, to tote a substantial auto pistol, with (or without) a WML mounted, AIWB, is with the Enigma system, totally independent of the trousers’ belt or waistband.

Getting away from the sharp-edged face plate is, I believe, going to make the Enigma much better for many customers, especially those who use thin undergarments, and/or do not wish to use such add-ons as the “papoose,” or whatever that sleeve-like thing is called.

Edited to add: I have used the Enigma mostly with a City Special, to tote a J-Snub. Not daily carry, but occasional carry.

[Joe S]

Anyone want to do quick bullet points on the pluses of the new one?

I had the first version in the cart last week, and something told me not to pull the trigger. I figured it was my normal cheapness.

[Rex G]

Anyone want to do quick bullet points on the pluses of the new one?

I had the first version in the cart last week, and something told me not to pull the trigger. I figured it was my normal cheapness.

For those using the leg leash, it looks to be significantly improved. I have not used the original leg leash, finding it not all that important, while being uncomfortable.

The edges of the new face plate appear to be less sharp.

The original face plate could not be trimmed or sanded, lest it begin de-lamination. If I remember correctly, the new face plate can be sanded and modified.

The original face plate is very slick, on its flat surfaces. The new face place is textured. I cannot say whether this is better or worse, until I experience it.

These were my take-aways. The less-sharp edge of the face plate seemed to be the important improvement, for my personal use case.

[Maca]

Received my V2 yesterday and it’s a significant improvement.

I remember getting a bloody knuckle form using the original in a class due to the sharp edges of the original material. That’s been completely eliminated.

The V2 leg leash is also a significant improvement.

The single point option has a section of bungee material to enable it to flex as needed. In addition, the 2-point version works much like a climbing harness, eliminating any issues I had with the original. It just works to keep the holster down without constricting your thigh at all.

[Caballoflaco]

Received my V2 yesterday and it’s a significant improvement.

I remember getting a bloody knuckle form using the original in a class due to the sharp edges of the original material. That’s been completely eliminated.

The V2 leg leash is also a significant improvement.

The single point option has a section of bungee material to enable it to flex as needed. In addition, the 2-point version works much like a climbing harness, eliminating any issues I had with the original. It just works to keep the holster down without constricting your thigh at all.

Is the new faceplate considerably thicker than the tegra faceplate? It’s kind of hard to tell from the video.

[backtrail540]

My faceplates are fairly worn/bent from use. I'm finding i need repeated adjustment for the same level of concealment (written fairly tight with a sport belt) and will likely by the upgrade kit soon and give it a shot.

[Jay585]

Is the new faceplate considerably thicker than the tegra faceplate? It’s kind of hard to tell from the video.

Yes.

Version 2 is .0750" on the smooth areas and .1195" on the textured surface

Version 1 is .0595"

[BobM]

My daughter and I have five of these so I’m debating whether to get five upgrade kits or just leave them as is

[Rex G]

Regarding comfort, if not not maximum concealment, with big guns, with WMLs: My previous Enigma experience had been with the Express, with the included City Special for J-Frames, and the Express with the Glock 19-sized holster. I am now trying the newer version of the Light-Bearing Enigma Express, a.k.a. LBE. On my individual, personal body, it was very easy to find a sweet spot with the LBE, which had been a struggle with my earlier Enigmas. The broad, flat area of the LB holster body seems to be playing a significant part. The ballast, below the belt/strap, provided by the X300 Turbo, and the longer barrel/slide of the Glock 17, also seem to be playing a role. Who’d ‘ve thunk that a DUTY-sized pistol with a WML could be more comfortable to tote AIWB, than a J-snub? Again, I am addressing the comfort factor, more so than concealment.

The new faceplate is more comfortable to the touch, at the edges, but, it does not make contact with my skin, anyway, so wearing the rig is not changed. The Version II Enigma’s leg leash seems much better-thought-out, but unless I can make my belly disappear, I have no problems with the rig riding-upward during the draw.

[EVP]

Interesting development, I thought the whole point of the previous material was strength and longevity?


I still think the leg leash is uncomfortable, unnecessary, and useless.


I feel the regular enigma needs a third mounting hole or something to increase the mounting stability. The light bearing enigma and how it mounts to the holster is a lot more stable and secure over the long haul.

[runcible]

Interesting development, I thought the whole point of the previous material was strength and longevity?


I still think the leg leash is uncomfortable, unnecessary, and useless.


I feel the regular enigma needs a third mounting hole or something to increase the mounting stability. The light bearing enigma and how it mounts to the holster is a lot more stable and secure over the long haul.

It can be true for both the original/tegris and current/IM faceplates, that strength and longevity are reflected in the material selections - as it is.

(I mean, I won't get into testing criteria, but given the most severe use case we could design for would be a committed takeaway attempted upon a properly worn Enigma, we of course asked @Southnarc his deadlift 1RM, and wrote a specification reflecting an application of both the concern and the degree of the concern.)

The leg leash is essential for hitting the full range of function, but we appreciate that many aren't requiring that. We can't recommend wear without it or an analog, but understand that a minority don't.

As far as the regular pattern Enigmas go, if we added a third hole to the faceplate itself, what would it attach to?

[EVP]

Thanks for the comment but I think it just makes me have even more questions, but it doesn’t matter.


I don’t know maybe mounting to a hole for one of the belt loop attachment points or something. If I were to do it again I would get a LBE for use with a holster that has the mounting holes for DCC clips so you could use 4 screws for the faceplate.

[runcible]

Thanks for the comment but I think it just makes me have even more questions, but it doesn’t matter.


I don’t know maybe mounting to a hole for one of the belt loop attachment points or something. If I were to do it again I would get a LBE for use with a holster that has the mounting holes for DCC clips so you could use 4 screws for the faceplate.

You're fine in my book, hoss; I'm glad to continue the engagement as long as you're game for the same.

FWIW, the base Enigmas leverage the attachment and dimensioning for the ModWing or analog, which are a standardized dimension within the industry, to include for holsters that solely mount snaploops or Fomis/MonoBlocs, and can't mount more than a single overhook (e.g. DCC).

The Enigma LBs leverage attachment onto the bossing for two independent overhook/DCC mounts, generally separate from the ModWing LC, by having that pair of horizontal slits to hit a range of different clip offsets, as there isn't an industry standard for the spacing between those clips. This does require that the LB faceplate is much much larger and differently situated than the original Enigma faceplace.

I say all that, but there's a range of users that have taken the Enigma LB or Enigma LB Express, and mounted a WML-less Tenicor to them; and they're more than happy for the final product, given the cost. I don't know if I have one of those setups laying about still, else I'd post it here.

I myself have an HH Ember mounted on an Enigma LB Express with a housebrand sheathed Shivworks PD, a Shaw Concepts Flex Pouch V2, and a pair of Peerless 730CBs, so I appreciate the desire for a quad connection.

[EVP]

Yea, I prefer the LBE to the standard for all the reasons you pointed out, I use JMCK enigma shells.


No matter what threadlocker I use, if I am using my enigma very actively and also training with it on the range, it will eventually work loose and start to shift around. The thread locker just makes it that much more tedious to retighten. With the LBE I have never had an issue. I usually will train with the LBE instead for that reason.

[runcible]

Yea, I prefer the LBE to the standard for all the reasons you pointed out, I use JMCK enigma shells.


No matter what threadlocker I use, if I am using my enigma very actively and also training with it on the range, it will eventually work loose and start to shift around. The thread locker just makes it that much more tedious to retighten. With the LBE I have never had an issue. I usually will train with the LBE instead for that reason.

I follow - that's an interesting observation, and I appreciate you sharing it. It does sound like there's an active conflict between the orientation you've got it set up to, and the orientation that your place of wear for it is nudging it towards, which is being expressed during movement. I wonder if building up a muzzle wedge, specific to your topography, would reduce that conflict and related movement, and thus reduce the gradual undoing of the fasteners.