Election 2020 Stats & Info ONLY

[theJanitor]

We've got lots of discussion threads. Can we dedicate one to real updates and information with little commentary?




It's 0900 here, so very little to report. The news did put these numbers up this morning:

Officials say 513,000 ballots have been received statewide, which is about 61% of all registered voters.

Hawaii is the first state to see more ballots turned in than the total number of ballots in 2016.

In 2016, nearly 60% of registered voters cast their ballot in Hawaii and 30% of them supported Trump.

[Seven_Sicks_Two]

Turnout is a record high in Oregon... which this source notes as not surprising given that there are 400,000 more voters than 4 years ago.

https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2020/11/oregon-voters-set-new-record-cast-more-than-215-million-votes.html


As of Monday afternoon, 84.2% of registered Democrats had their ballot logged at their county election headquarters, compared to 81.5% of Republicans. Still, given Democrats' huge registration advantage, Democrats had cast 276,000 more votes statewide than Republicans' nearly 622,000. Unaffiliated voters trailed still further, with 505,000 votes logged. Their turnout rate stood at 54%, well behind their final turnout in 2016 of 61%.

So, rather predictably, it's pretty clear that our Electoral College votes will be going to Biden.

[RoyGBiv]

Turnout is a record high in Oregon... which this source notes as not surprising given that there are 400,000 more voters than 4 years ago.

https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2020/11/oregon-voters-set-new-record-cast-more-than-215-million-votes.html



So, rather predictably, it's pretty clear that our Electoral College votes will be going to Biden.

Depends on how the unaffiliated votes swing.....
If you assume that 276K difference is pure Biden lead, Trump needs to win the unaffiliated by ~2:1 (68%) to cover that gap.

-- I'd bet Trump gets more than a few D votes, because riots.

I'm not saying it's likely, but, not unpossible.

[Borderland]

Turnout is a record high in Oregon... which this source notes as not surprising given that there are 400,000 more voters than 4 years ago.

https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2020/11/oregon-voters-set-new-record-cast-more-than-215-million-votes.html



So, rather predictably, it's pretty clear that our Electoral College votes will be going to Biden.

I thought that was a given being that the left coast is blue. The blueness is even creeping over into NV and AZ.

[Borderland]

Depends on how the unaffiliated votes swing.....
If you assume that 276K difference is pure Biden lead, Trump needs to win the unaffiliated by ~2:1 (68%) to cover that gap.

-- I'd bet Trump gets more than a few D votes, because riots.

I'm not saying it's likely, but, not unpossible.

That's wishful thinking. Trump won't be getting any EC votes from OR. The immigration thing has everyone locked up D on the left coast. It might even come into play in FL.

https://i.ibb.co/cbVJsPD/county-updated-720.png (https://ibb.co/TKdcNZm)

[Seven_Sicks_Two]

I thought that was a given being that the left coast is blue. The blueness is even creeping over into NV and AZ.

Oh it was very much a given...

[HeavyDuty]

That's wishful thinking. Trump won't be getting any EC votes from OR. The immigration thing has everyone locked up D on the left coast. It might even come into play in FL.

https://i.ibb.co/cbVJsPD/county-updated-720.png (https://ibb.co/TKdcNZm)

Legend for the map, please?

[pooty]

1323250484715622401

[StraitR]

My chosen non-MSM conservative election coverage...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6xOSuSIxAs

[RoyGBiv]

Trump with a small lead in FL, waiting on the panhandle which has traditionally gone Team Red.

[Borderland]

Legend for the map, please?


https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/09/02/us/sanctuary-cities.html

Yeah, I know. Fake news.

[JTQ]

That's wishful thinking. Trump won't be getting any EC votes from OR. The immigration thing has everyone locked up D on the left coast. It might even come into play in FL.

https://i.ibb.co/cbVJsPD/county-updated-720.png (https://ibb.co/TKdcNZm)


Trump with a small lead in FL, waiting on the panhandle which has traditionally gone Team Red.

There is a near zero chance Biden wins Escambia, Santa Rosa, Okaloosa, and Walton Counties in the Florida Panhandle as depicted in green on that map.

[RoyGBiv]

There is a near zero chance Biden wins Escambia, Santa Rosa, Okaloosa, and Walton Counties in the Florida Panhandle as depicted in green on that map.

I didn't want to jinx it :cool:

[TheNewbie]

Man I’m worried.

[5pins]

I think Florida will be called for Trump very soon

[Shoresy]

There is a near zero chance Biden wins Escambia, Santa Rosa, Okaloosa, and Walton Counties in the Florida Panhandle as depicted in green on that map.

Or the Southern Tier and Adirondack regions of NY.

[StraitR]

Ohio is concerning.

[breakingtime91]

florida was just called for trump

[CCT125US]

florida was just called for trump

Source? Is CNN way behind on reporting?

[breakingtime91]

Source? Is CNN way behind on reporting?

Multiple sources, nyt, fox, crowder.

[StraitR]

Source? Is CNN way behind on reporting?

They certainly were in 2016.

[HeavyDuty]

Multiple sources, nyt, fox, crowder.

Not NYT just now.

[pangloss]

Ohio is concerning.

Very concerning.

[trailrunner]

Multiple sources, nyt, fox, crowder.

Fox hasn't called FL for Trump. Neither has WSJ.

[GJM]

The polls were massively wrong on the FL presidential contest. The $64 question is whether they were just wrong on Florida or the polling errors extend to other states?

[breakingtime91]

Fox hasn't called FL for Trump. Neither has WSJ.

true, i heard one announcer say it and my bad

[Balisong]

Ohio is concerning.

Is it possible to win if Ohio is lost?

[BillSWPA]

Trump is rapidly gaining ground in OH, and the call of VA for Biden appears to be subject to question.

I am primarily watching results on TownHall.

[StraitR]

Fox hasn't called FL for Trump. Neither has WSJ.

Up by 375k overall, and only down 90k in Miami-Dade, with 91% reporting. That's incredible. Trump won Florida by roughly 110k in 2016, by comparison. He closed the 2016 gap by 30k in both Miami-Dade and Broward, for a 60k flip in traditional Democratic strongholds. Again, incredible. It's not over until it's over, but that's pretty good news for Trump.

The Dems blew it with the Cuban vote (I'm married to one, with a big S. FL family), beyond the obvious.

[JTQ]

I wouldn't be surprised if Biden won Ohio, but he's going to win Cuyahoga County (Cleveland area) handily, as the Democrats have for decades, but the rest of the state will lean towards Trump, and many of those "hinterland" counties may not report as quickly as Cuyahoga County will.

[5pins]

The betting odds have flipped to Trump, just like 2016.

[Balisong]

Is this one of those deals where Ohio HAS to be won to be able to win?

[BillSWPA]

TownHall has linked to a Twitter post indicating that with 98 of 99 precincts reporting in VA, Trump is ahead by 13 points or 9,000 votes.

https://twitter.com/seanmdav/status/1323806122181042180?s=20

[TheNewbie]

Up by 375k overall, and only down 90k in Miami-Dade, with 91% reporting. That's incredible. Trump won Florida by roughly 110k in 2016, by comparison. He closed the 2016 gap by 30k in both Miami-Dade and Broward, for a 60k flip in traditional Democratic strongholds. Again, incredible. It's not over until it's over, but that's pretty good news for Trump.

The Dems blew it with the Cuban vote (I'm married to one, with a big S. FL family), beyond the obvious.


A Mexican-American cop I know (born in Mexico became a US citizen) said the Mexicans he knows support Trump.


My Mexican wife has her Catholics for Trump shirt on and has been trying to convince people how good Trump actually is.


Trump may not win, but the support that is for him is diverse and full of both reason and passion.

[pangloss]

Is it possible to win if Ohio is lost?

I think so, but it doesn't leave any cushion. The tab with my electoral college pick-50 map just froze, so I can't offer specifics. I think Trump would need Iowa, Nevada, and Arizona if he loses Ohio. That's assuming that Biden gets PA.

Someone on Fox just pointed out that the numbers we are seeing now are skewed by the earlier voters who were heavily democratic. That's comforting.

[pangloss]

I think so, but it doesn't leave any cushion. The tab with my electoral college pick-50 map just froze, so I can't offer specifics. I think Trump would need Iowa, Nevada, and Arizona if he loses Ohio. That's assuming that Biden gets PA.

Someone on Fox just pointed out that the numbers we are seeing now are skewed by the earlier voters who were heavily democratic. That's comforting.

According to WSJ's numbers, Trump just nosed ahead in OH.

[GJM]

The betting odds have flipped to Trump, just like 2016.

Kind of like that Bumper sticker that says my Vizsla is smarter than your honor student, I suspect most Las Vegas betting odds are more informed than a typical poll.

[JTQ]

TownHall has linked to a Twitter post indicating that with 98 of 99 precincts reporting in VA, Trump is ahead by 13 points or 9,000 votes.

https://twitter.com/seanmdav/status/1323806122181042180?s=20

Yahoo is calling VA for Biden

https://www.yahoo.com/elections

[trailrunner]

TownHall has linked to a Twitter post indicating that with 98 of 99 precincts reporting in VA, Trump is ahead by 13 points or 9,000 votes.

https://twitter.com/seanmdav/status/1323806122181042180?s=20

There's a lot more than 99 precincts in VA. My county alone has something like 250 precincts.

As someone who has lived in VA for almost 30 years, I think it's highly unlikely that Trump will take this state.

[Totem Polar]

Kind of like that Bumper sticker that says my Vizsla is smarter than your honor student, I suspect most Las Vegas betting odds are more informed than a typical poll.

As an aside, we just got some new neighbors across the street who have a Vizsla. She’s a very cool dog.

[Rex G]

Ohio is concerning.

ABC News is indicating that Ohio’s early voting may be why Ohio looks bad, because the exit polls of folks who voted, today, looks good for Trump. So, lets not get too discouraged, just yet.

[breakingtime91]

ABC News is indicating that Ohio’s early voting may be why Ohio looks bad, because the exit polls of folks who voted, today, looks good for Trump. So, lets not get too discouraged, just yet.

ohio will go trump. that is my guess

[Old Man Winter]

Early results in MN look promising for Trump. He's leading in four critical counties he didn't win in 2016.

1. St Louis county which is the Iron Range & Duluth way up north.
2. Dakota county - part of the Twin Cities metro.
3. Washington county - part of the Twin Cities metro.
4. Rochester county - City of Rochester which is the largest population center in the southeast corner of state.

[Rex G]

Things look good for the Texas seat in the US Senate, as incumbent Senator Cornyn has been projected to win, in spite of all of the out-of-state money spent by the Demons.

Sadly, it looks like “my” rep in the US House will continue to be a Pelosi puppet, but that one has not yet been projected, either way, just yet.

[delphidoc]

ohio will go trump. that is my guess

Didn't read thread pages before this one. Ohio is currently leaning Trump according to this site:

https://results.decisiondeskhq.com/

[JTQ]

TownHall has linked to a Twitter post indicating that with 98 of 99 precincts reporting in VA, Trump is ahead by 13 points or 9,000 votes.

https://twitter.com/seanmdav/status/1323806122181042180?s=20
I didn't go to the twitter page earlier. That is an indication of Loudon County, only.

[StraitR]

ABC News is indicating that Ohio’s early voting may be why Ohio looks bad, because the exit polls of folks who voted, today, looks good for Trump. So, lets not get too discouraged, just yet.

Yes, a lot has changed in the last 50 minutes worth of reporting.

The same can be said for TX, NC, and other states at this point.

It's certainly getting interesting, and far closer than many (most?) have led us to believe.

[Shoresy]

Didn't read thread pages before this one. Ohio is currently leaning Trump according to this site:

https://results.decisiondeskhq.com/

Both that site and AP have Virginia called (won, not simply leading) for Biden... with <50% reporting, and the current reporting at 43/55% in favor of Trump? WTF?

[BillSWPA]

I apologize if I misread or misunderstood the Twitter VA post.

TownHall currently lists Biden at 952,446 votes, or 43.13%, and Trump at 1,217,810 votes, or 53.52%. About 50% of the vote was counted.

I stand by the statement that VA was called too early.

[hufnagel]

I'd suggested before that VA might flip. Now i'm going to amend that: VA *WILL* flip.

[BillSWPA]

Trump had now jumped ahead in the counts in OH, PA, and TX.

[Rex G]

Talk about each vote being important, it looks like a local municipal proposition was decided by THREE votes. The “pave paradise” folks will, it seems, not get to take six more feet of our grass and flowers, to install a multi-use, ten-feet-wide monster.

[CCT125US]

I will say, that my wife and I are enjoying the dispassionate delivery of John King of CNN.

[Matt O]

Both that site and AP have Virginia called (won, not simply leading) for Biden... with <50% reporting, and the current reporting at 43/55% in favor of Trump? WTF?

I’m fairly certain absentee ballots are missing from the counts thus far, though it has given me some cause for (irrational?) hope.


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[trailrunner]

Both that site and AP have Virginia called (won, not simply leading) for Biden... with <50% reporting, and the current reporting at 43/55% in favor of Trump? WTF?

It depends which counties have reported their votes.

[5pins]

The Chinese Yuan is dropping in fears of a Trump win.

[BillSWPA]

Virginia does not anticipate having the votes counted until Friday. Trump remains ahead. Yet, Virginia remains "called" for Biden.

????????????

[hufnagel]

Virginia does not anticipate having the votes counted until Friday. Trump remains ahead. Yet, Virginia remains "called" for Biden.

????????????

gotta know how many "found" ballots they need.

[StraitR]

Virginia does not anticipate having the votes counted until Friday. Trump remains ahead. Yet, Virginia remains "called" for Biden.

????????????


gotta know how many "found" ballots they need.

In fairness, even FOX called VA before a single vote was reported.

[BillSWPA]

Trump is ahead by more than 1% with more than 99% counted in North Carolina. How is this not called?

[GJM]

If Trump wins, the big loser won’t be Biden, it will be the credibility of the media. Chris Wallace looks like he wants to cry.

When I depart on a flight, and fundamental parts of the forecast are wrong, I start questioning everything. Most dispassionate observers are now questioning this “forecast.”

[BillSWPA]

In fairness, even FOX called VA before a single vote was reported.

I stopped paying attention to Fox very early this evening.

[BehindBlueI's]

Personally, I think the riots and violence were big in pushing people to Trump. It finally pushed me to a straight party ticket for the first time.

[BillSWPA]

If Trump wins, the big loser won’t be Biden, it will be the credibility of the media. Chris Wallace looks like he wants to cry.

When I depart on a flight, and fundamental parts of the forecast are wrong, I start questioning everything. Most dispassionate observers are now questioning this “forecast.”

I could name two different bakeries that produced more accurate results with Trump and Biden cookie sales than most of the polls were able to produce.

[littlejerry]

Personally, I think the riots and violence were big in pushing people to Trump. It finally pushed me to a straight party ticket for the first time.

Same.

Less the riots and more the tacit support.

[BillSWPA]

Deleted.

[Totem Polar]

Personally, I think the riots and violence were big in pushing people to Trump. It finally pushed me to a straight party ticket for the first time.

Ditto.

[StraitR]

I stopped paying attention to Fox very early this evening.

That's fair, and I don't disagree. I'm simply pointing out that the most right-leaning MSM outlet conceded VA before the race even started.

[mmc45414]

I wonder if the Chinese Virus promted more B/H voters to vote early than T/P voters?

I am in Ohio and I would speculate the people I stood in line with were my peeps.

I am watching a talking head, but it is Garand Thumb, not the news.

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[idahojess]

I prefer the Fox Business Channel to Fox, for election coverage. Same decision desk, but better analysts.

[5pins]

Florida called for Trump.

[pangloss]

Fox just called Florida for Trump. Now let's call Ohio. Trump is up by 8% with 90% reporting.

[TheNewbie]

Any chance Trump wins MN?

[5pins]

Not all polls are wrong just the ones the media is using.

[tadawson]

If Trump wins, the big loser won’t be Biden, it will be the credibility of the media. Chris Wallace looks like he wants to cry.

When I depart on a flight, and fundamental parts of the forecast are wrong, I start questioning everything. Most dispassionate observers are now questioning this “forecast.”

Hmm . . .the press pretty much crappped the bed in 2016 . . . I don't think that too many folks are surprised that they did it yet again, and just can't learn.

[BillSWPA]

The entire west coast was called for Biden even though hardly any votes were counted in 2 of the 3 states, yet North Carolina still has not been called.

Over 99% of the vote has been counted in OH with Trump ahead by 7%, and it is still not showing up as called. What mathematical genius is making these decisions?!

[blues]

Personally, I think the riots and violence were big in pushing people to Trump. It finally pushed me to a straight party ticket for the first time.


Same.

Less the riots and more the tacit support.


Ditto.

+1 +2 (Missus voted straight R as well)

[5pins]

Arizona just went to Biden.

[JAD]

Roger Marshall won the senate race in Kansas, a very big deal. Lot of wasted money for the communists, not like it didn’t belong to other people anyway.

[Balisong]

Arizona just went to Biden.

No, please no....
:mad:

[LHS]

Arizona just went to Biden.

And Mark goddamned Kelly won the Senate seat.

[Old Man Winter]

Any chance Trump wins MN?

I don't see it. He's behind in a couple must win counties. He may have lost ground over 2016.

[JTQ]

And Mark goddamned Kelly won the Senate seat.
I think he was projected to win all along.

From way outside the state- I don't know how Martha McSally didn't win that seat or beat Kyrsten Sinema the first time around.

McSally looks real good in interviews, but man, those folks in Arizona must not care for her.

[TheNewbie]

And Mark goddamned Kelly won the Senate seat.


Arizona has rejected the American founding values. Very sad.

[luckyman]

And Mark goddamned Kelly won the Senate seat.

Dammit AZ you are supposed to make up for the CA train wreck of the likes of Feinstein and Pelosi.

[Balisong]

My beloved state has truly been Californized.

[hufnagel]

there's noise that the AZ call is bullshit, as no election day ballots have been counted yet.

[BillSWPA]

The state government of Pennsylvania is now playing games.

https://www.newsmax.com/politics/lancaster-absentee-late-segregate/2020/11/03/id/995217/

The Secretary of State had previously ordered ballots received after 8:00 pm tonight to be segregated in case the US Supreme Court revisits the issue of whether they should be counted. Now she is saying to count them. One county is continuing to keep them segregated.

[Bolt_Overide]

propose a name change.

Calizona or Arifornia.

[Doc_Glock]

I can't believe the current blow out in AZ. My only consolation is that perhaps what is being reported is mostly early ballots dominated by democrats and the in person ballots still need to be reported. Don't know, but Trump currently being spanked in Phoenix metro and overall more than 200,000 votes down. Plus ballot measures for marijuana and increased taxes.

Plus Kelly. Oi.

A buddy just moved to SC, and I can see why.

[BillSWPA]

there's noise that the AZ call is bullshit, as no election day ballots have been counted yet.

Completely agree: it is too soon to call AZ.

[pangloss]

51% reporting in PA and Trump is up by ~14%. Trump is up by 8% in Ohio with 94% reporting. 49% reporting in Michigan and Trump is up by over 10%. Not a done deal yet by any means, but things are looking a whole lot better than I dared to hope for. Trump is pulling ahead in Iowa too.

[mmc45414]

But most everything is tinted red. B/H is way ahead because of all the no-shit west coast calls.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201104/e027bdb5753e6d949347b3dd7b58ccfa.jpg

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[5pins]

Ohio just went to Trump.

[Doc_Glock]

Completely agree: it is too soon to call AZ.

I did some napkin math and there will probably be 2.8-3.0 million votes cast in AZ. 2.2 million are counted and Trump is 200k behind. He has to get 2/3 of the uncounted votes. If those were rabid in person voting Trumpers, it's possible.

Might be wishful thinking on my part.

[BillSWPA]

I did some napkin math and there will probably be 2.8-3.0 million votes cast in AZ. 2.2 million are counted and Trump is 200k behind. He has to get 2/3 of the uncounted votes. If those were rabid in person voting Trumpers, it's possible.

Might be wishful thinking on my part.

Most of the political commentators I pay attention to believe that most Democrats are voting by mail and most Republicans are voting in person. If they are still counting in-person votes, it is still possible that Trump will win AZ.

[Bratch]

I want to be excited but I keep seeing optimism from the Ds that PA and others have more votes outstanding in D strongholds than Trump is winning by.

[mmc45414]

Ohio just went to Trump.Come on Texas....
Am finishing this beer and going to bed...

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[5pins]

Texas called for Trump.

[Not HighSpeed]

Texas just called for Trump.

[Mitch]

62670

Wtf is this? Trump is up but the AP calls it for Biden?

[Robinson]

It all depends on PA and the upper Midwest now.

[BillSWPA]

I want to be excited but I keep seeing optimism from the Ds that PA and others have more votes outstanding in D strongholds than Trump is winning by.

I have no doubt that Trump won Pennsylvania. What I doubt is whether we will get an honest vote count. I fully expect the Democrats to use the 3 day extension for mail-in votes they conjured up to figure out how many votes they need, and to try to "receive" them during that extension.

[pangloss]

62670

Wtf is this? Trump is up but the AP calls it for Biden?

Algorithms.

[BillSWPA]

Biden has gained on Trump in VA but still has not overtaken him. There are still a lot of votes to be counted. VA is still unable to be called.

[Bratch]

I have no doubt that Trump won Pennsylvania. What I doubt is whether we will get an honest vote count. I fully expect the Democrats to use the 3 day extension for mail-in votes they conjured up to figure out how many votes they need, and to try to "receive" them during that extension.

The old what’s the final answer need to be skit.

[BillSWPA]

I am seeing multiple reports that all of the red counties still have many votes to count.

The extent to which Trump Derangement Syndrome has affected the media's reporting - even Faux News - is unbelievable.

[pangloss]

It all depends on PA and the upper Midwest now.

If Trump gets GA, NC, MI, WI, and IA, he won't need PA, AZ, or NV. I'm still hopeful.

[RevolverRob]

My back of the napkin calculation has Trump winning by at least a dozen electoral college votes based on the significant leads he already has, without winning Arizona (but he definitely needs to win Pennsylvania).

I'm amused that people thought Texas would flip blue. It's not even close...

[BillSWPA]

Kimberly Klacik lost badly (congressional race in Baltimore). That city just proved that it deserves to be a mess.

[5pins]

Iowa for Trump.

[BillSWPA]

If Trump gets GA, NC, MI, WI, and IA, he won't need PA, AZ, or NV. I'm still hopeful.

Trump has NC and GA. There is absolutely no reason not to call those states.

[5pins]

Kimberly Klacik lost badly (congressional race in Baltimore). That city just proved that it deserves to be a mess.

Fuck Baltimore then. They deserve what they get.

[TheNewbie]

Kimberly Klacik lost badly (congressional race in Baltimore). That city just proved that it deserves to be a mess.

I don’t think some people want to be helped. It’s easier to just exist and then one day die.


It’s sad and pathetic in a multitude of ways.

[pangloss]

Trump has NC and GA. There is absolutely no reason not to call those states.

I think Atlanta is trying to pull a Philadelphia with the mail in votes, but I have GA in my Trump column. NC I'm not as comfortable about.

[BillSWPA]

Alabama just moved from called for Trump to leaning towards Trump. What happened?

[Robinson]

My county (Cherokee) went solidly for Trump.

The county just below us (Cobb) went for Biden. But then when the county seat has streets named after Winnie the Pooh characters what do you freaking expect?

[JTQ]

There is a near zero chance Biden wins Escambia, Santa Rosa, Okaloosa, and Walton Counties in the Florida Panhandle as depicted in green on that map.
Trump wins Florida Panhandle counties...

Escambia County - Trump 56.8% to Biden 41.6%

Santa Rosa County - Trump 72.9% to Biden 25.4%

Okaloosa County - Trump 68.8% to Biden 29.2%

Walton County - Trump 75.4% to Biden 23.7%

[mmc45414]

Kimberly Klacik lost badly

And the bartender cruised back in by a big margin.

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[Robinson]

Minnesota called for Biden.

[5pins]

Minnesota for Biden. Shit.

[Robinson]

My back of the napkin calculation has Trump winning by at least a dozen electoral college votes based on the significant leads he already has, without winning Arizona (but he definitely needs to win Pennsylvania).

I'm amused that people thought Texas would flip blue. It's not even close...

What's your napkin saying now?

[BillSWPA]

Possible funny business in AZ?

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2020/11/04/something-funny-is-going-on-in-arizona-heres-what-we-know-so-far-n2579410

Also, I saw a report saying that Faux News had retracted calling AZ.

[5pins]

Biden is going to speak for some reason.

[idahojess]

Biden is going to speak for some reason.

Maybe he's found some new speech to plagiarize.

[BillSWPA]

Newsmax has called Georgia for Trump.

It is about time someone did.

[StraitR]

Trump has NC and GA. There is absolutely no reason not to call those states.

Let the shenanigans begin.

62671

62672

[Suvorov]

Minnesota for Biden. Shit.

I never understood why anyone was thinking Trump would carry MN. I don't think MN has gone for a Republican since I have been alive. I mean just look at the people they elect.

[idahojess]

He looked really vigorous. Sheesh.

[5pins]

Not sure what the point of that speech was.

[RevolverRob]

What's your napkin saying now?

About the same.

The closest race I have Trump needing to win - NC.

[Robinson]

Let the shenanigans begin.

62671

62672

I love Georgia. I hate, loathe, and despise Atlanta.

[5pins]

I love Georgia. I hate, loathe, and despise Atlanta.

Large cities are a pox upon us.

[BillSWPA]

Just saw a vague report of games being played in Philadelphia. It has to be "finding" additional mail-in votes.

[Robinson]

Large cities are a pox upon us.

Yeah well, Jefferson tried to warn us.

[RevolverRob]

I'm appreciating CNN inflating Biden's electoral numbers right now by counting Virginia for him. Trump has a very slim lead in VA right now (about 12k votes) and only 85% of precincts are reported. I don't think I'd call that state for Biden.

Would love to see Trump win VA, a nice boost after losing Arizona.

Edit: For instance CNN is reporting 215 EC votes for Biden and 171 for Trump.

Yet if you subtract the 13 from VA that Biden clearly hasn't won, and add the 38 from Texas Trump has clearly won - I've got it as 209 Trump-202 Biden at ~12am CST.

A close race, but sure looks like Trump will win the remainder of the west, midwest, and Pennsylvania. My concerns are basically NC, Georgia, and Virginia.

[5pins]

I'm appreciating CNN inflating Biden's electoral numbers right now by counting Virginia for him. Trump has a very slim lead in VA right now (about 12k votes) and only 85% of precincts are reported. I don't think I'd call that state for Biden.

Would love to see Trump win VA, a nice boost after losing Arizona.

There is some dispute about AZ.

[DMF13]

Trump has NC and GA. There is absolutely no reason not to call those states.Yeah there is, its called math.

For example, 45 mins after you said this, only 94% of the results are in from NC.

Currently 5,452,943 votes have been counted, and approx. 348,000 votes still need to be counted, and only 76,712 votes separate Trump and Biden.

That's too close to call.

[Mitch]

I don’t think Trump is going to get AZ. The VA call seems like BS to me.

CNN’s coverage of this is a joke. No wonder people who watch that network aren’t living in reality.

[5pins]

It looks like the Republicans will hold the senate.

[Mitch]

It looks like the Republicans will hold the senate.

That’s a huge win no matter what happens with the White House.

[BillSWPA]

Yeah there is, its called math.

For example, 45 mins after you said this, only 94% of the results are in from NC.

Currently 5,452,943 votes have been counted, and approx. 348,000 votes still need to be counted, and only 76,712 votes separate Trump and Biden.

That's too close to call.

My source presently indicates, as it indicated at the time I posted, more than 99% counted.

https://townhall.com/election/2020-results

[scjbash]

My source presently indicates, as it indicated at the time I posted, more than 99% counted.

https://townhall.com/election/2020-results

The AP is showing an identical vote count as Townhall but is saying it's 94%.

[pangloss]

My source presently indicates, as it indicated at the time I posted, more than 99% counted.

https://townhall.com/election/2020-results

I don't trust their "estimations" of how many votes have been counted. For some other states, they estimate a range of how many votes might have been counted. Regardless, I do hope their conclusions hold.

[DMF13]

The AP is showing an identical vote count as Townhall but is saying it's 94%.Along with every other major media source I checked at the time I posted. I used the numbers shown on Fox News for the calculations.

[pangloss]

Trumps lead has narrowed to less than 3% in Georgia. 93% reporting.

[Duelist]

No, please no....
:mad:

And McSally may lose to Kelly. Blech.

[pangloss]

I need to go to bed, but I think Trump is going to win. Looks like he'll get WI and MI. Right now, NC, GA, and PA look less certain. If Trump can win any two of those three, then he'll get above 270.

[AKDoug]

I need to go to bed, but I think Trump is going to win. Looks like he'll get WI and MI. Right now, NC, GA, and PA look less certain. If Trump can win any two of those three, then he'll get above 270.
I am going to bed. I want to fuckin' shoot myself listening to ABC, which is the only channel I can currently watch. I can't change anything and I have to work tomorrow.

[hufnagel]

I'm just... I don't even...

[HCountyGuy]

Wonder how many votes are going to be “found” for Biden when they resume counting...

[Shoresy]

Wonder how many votes are going to be “found” for Biden when they resume counting...

That depends on how many the Democrats need.

[TiroFijo]

It seems Michigan (and the entire election) is hanging by a thread now...

[Cory]

Biden has a real chance at winning I think. I am still hoping for a Trump victory. If he wins all the projected red states then we're good.

Florida's amendment 2 passed. I think it's a terrible measure but I'm not suprised that it passed. Of course people will vote to give themselves money, doesn't mean it will give them buying power.

[scjbash]

I've had the feeling the last couple weeks that Trump would lose a close race because of the Jorgensen vote and that's where it appears to be headed.

[RJ]

Win, lose or draw the Presidential election (and there is a good chance Biden can win if the early votes being tabulated swing heavily D) the Senate appeared to stay R, and Trump did his job by appointing three SCOTUS justices. I think based on the potential for a major Progressive shift where D's conttrol the WH, the Senate and the House, having the Senate should serve as a bulwark.

But if Biden wins, so be it.

The country will get a few months of Joe before they invoke the 25th amendment "for the good of the country" and he assumes a job tending roses and wondering what's for dessert. President Harris will march us off a cliff; and set up the country for a Trump re-election in 2024, as most Americans slap their foreheads and say "what the hell did we just do."

[RevolverRob]

I have Trump winning NC and PA this morning to put him at 248 to Biden's 223.

But Georgia and Michigan will be needed to seal the win.

He could get Georgia or Michigan as long as he gets Nevada.

[farscott]

The early House results show that the Democratic majority will be much slimmer in 2021 than it is today. That will make things interesting in the House as people like AOC must go along for the Democrats to pass bills or the bills have to appeal to the "other side of the aisle". Combined with a Senate that will either stay red or be slightly blue means not a lot of bills passing. And that is good for the American people as Congress does the least damage when Congress does nothing.

[NH Shooter]

My own (mostly useless) take;

Biden has won - he currently leads in both the electoral and popular vote. Trump's margin is not large enough in the remaining uncalled states to hold against the continued counting of early/absentee votes that are favoring Biden and will IMO put him over the top on the electoral vote. An ugly legal battle is sure to ensue that will do none of us any good.

Republicans will barely hold the senate, which will protect us from most of Biden's agenda. Short of any credible accounts of vote fraud, I'm prepared to accept the results and move on with life.

Here in NH, things look brighter: the Republican governor (who vetoed gun control/red flag legislation over the last few years served up by the dem-controlled state house and senate) easily won re-election and it looks like we are flipping the state senate back to red. At least here on the state level, there is much to be thankful for.

[RJ]

I've had the feeling the last couple weeks that Trump would lose a close race because of the Jorgensen vote and that's where it appears to be headed.

Could be. Don’t forget we have to factor in the Chinese Central Committee write-in vote, and of course we haven’t heard from Putin.

[Greg]

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[scjbash]

Biden is now in the lead in Michigan.

[blues]

Last I checked the Senate was standing at 47-47.

I have a feeling in the pit of my stomach I don't like.

[5pins]

I was hoping to wake up to better news.

[peterb]

Here in NH, things look brighter: the Republican governor (who vetoed gun control/red flag legislation over the last few years served up by the dem-controlled state house and senate) easily won re-election and it looks like we are flipping the state senate back to red. At least here on the state level, there is much to be thankful for.

The NH voting splits are interesting: 65% for a Republican governor, 57% for a Democratic senator. It's nice to see evidence of voting for individuals instead of party lockstep.

[RJ]

Using Facebook Elections Center as a source,with states they call "at the moment":

Biden - 224
Trump - 213

Biden is leading by a razor thin margin in AZ (11), NV (6), WI (10), and MI (16). That puts him at 267. If you add Maine, where Biden has a 12 point lead, that's 271.

Trump is leading in AK (3), GA (16), NC(15), and PA (20). That's 267.

Did I miss anything? If not, holy shit.

[BillSWPA]

Reports coming out of Philadelphia from the GOP indicate unidentified people moving ballot boxes, unregistered poll watchers entering polling places, and unchecked ballot harvesting.

Hoping Trump moves quickly in federal court to stop the nonsense.


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[RevolverRob]

Using Facebook Elections Center as a source,with states they call "at the moment":

Biden - 224
Trump - 213

Biden is leading by a razor thin margin in AZ (11), NV (6), WI (10), and MI (16). That puts him at 267. If you add Maine, where Biden has a 12 point lead, that's 271.

Trump is leading in AK (3), GA (16), NC(15), and PA (20). That's 267.

Did I miss anything? If not, holy shit.

Nope. Trump has to win one of the states Biden currently has a thin margin in. NV seems most likely where Biden has ~8k vote lead.

[peterb]

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I've spent many election nights counting paper ballots with other volunteers. Suggestions that we were rigging the vote would not have been taken kindly.

[RJ]

Nope. Trump has to win one of the states Biden currently has a thin margin in. NV seems most likely where Biden has ~8k vote lead.

Copy.

These guys estimate 202K votes remaining to be counted, at 86% done:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-elections/nevada-president-results

Gonna be awhile. Somebody make some more coffee.

[NH Shooter]

Short of anything really obvious or blatant, I think it would be a tragedy to question the integrity of this election.

Moving forward, it would be a tragedy not to devise ways to better ensure the integrity of the results.

[RJ]

I found this handy online DIY EC calculator, you can toggle the wins/losses and see the result. It's doing online what my math was, and a dang sight easier:

https://www.politico.com/2020-election/results/

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[BobLoblaw]

I've spent many election nights counting paper ballots with other volunteers. Suggestions that we were rigging the vote would not have been taken kindly.

I'm sure he was speaking to you directly about those exact events that he never would've known about.

[Borderland]

Biden at 238 with 3 states, NV, WI and MI, leaning his way for 270.

Trump at 213 with 3 states, GA, NC and PA leaning his way for 264.

https://www.google.com/search?q=is+biden+winning&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS854US854&oq=is+biden+winning&aqs=chrome..69i57.6695j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Still too early to call this one. Given the fact that USPS hasn't even delivered all of the ballots the counting could go on for a few days.

[LittleLebowski]

I've spent many election nights counting paper ballots with other volunteers. Suggestions that we were rigging the vote would not have been taken kindly.

It was not directed towards you.

[JDD]

I was hoping to wake up to better news.

I think this is true of literally everyone right now, regardless of your political views.

The win I am taking away from this election is an engaged electorate. We are getting a ton of folks voting, and that is an incredibly important cornerstone to a healthy democracy.

The huge loss I am seeing is how close this is. Regardless of the result at this point, neither party has demonstrated that their message is engaging for a majority of Americans. Nobody gets a mandate out of this, and no good lessons are being learned right now. I was hoping for a blowout one way or another, but all we are getting is that our country is more aggressively divided than we previously knew, and that the polling profession is still having trouble getting a good read on certain populations. Five Thirty Eight has some interesting analysis on their live coverage tracker of which sub-groups the polling has been right on, and which populations have performed dramatically differently than expected.

The other issue that is incredibly apparent, is a lack of trust in our polling systems, and our ability to process votes in a reasonable and fast manner. We have had enough drawn out and contested elections now, that it seems like there should be bipartisan interest in actually securing and modernizing our elections.


Using Facebook Elections Center as a source,with states they call "at the moment":

Biden - 224
Trump - 213

Biden is leading by a razor thin margin in AZ (11), NV (6), WI (10), and MI (16). That puts him at 267. If you add Maine, where Biden has a 12 point lead, that's 271.

Trump is leading in AK (3), GA (16), NC(15), and PA (20). That's 267.

Did I miss anything? If not, holy shit.

ME splits its votes. 2 to overall winner, and 1 to each congressional district. It's probably going to be 3 to Biden, but ME2 may go to Trump.

[jamautry]

In the back of my mind I keep thinking that as long as the Senate holds; Biden winning is a net long term gain. A Biden victory clears the way for young upstarts like Dan Crenshaw or Kristi Norm (I would call her a DINO), etc to run in 2024 with the focus on the Democrats horrible ideas rather than Trump. It also looks like the Supreme Court majority is safe unless an unforseen death occurs. This scenario would mean that it would be a good possibility that 2024 and 2028 would be setup nicely for the Republican nominee and they would probably have the opportunity to seat more judges, both federal and Supreme Court.

Just my glass half-full view of today.

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[Old Man Winter]

I feel the sudden urge to go shoot one of the crows scavenging in my pastures for dinner tonight. WTF?

[TiroFijo]

With a record voter turnout and two polarizing candidates, Trump admitedly even more than Biden-Harris, the US seems neatly divided (fractured) in two.

[fixer]

Prayers for ammo prices and online ammo purchases.

It was nice known' ya.

[blues]

The market, interestingly enough, appears to be optimistic (thus far).



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[Navin Johnson]

I think this is true of literally everyone right now, regardless of your political views.

The win I am taking away from this election is an engaged electorate. We are getting a ton of folks voting, and that is an incredibly important cornerstone to a healthy democracy.

The huge loss I am seeing is how close this is. Regardless of the result at this point, neither party has demonstrated that their message is engaging for a majority of Americans. Nobody gets a mandate out of this, and no good lessons are being learned right now. I was hoping for a blowout one way or another, but all we are getting is that our country is more aggressively divided than we previously knew, and that the polling profession is still having trouble getting a good read on certain populations. Five Thirty Eight has some interesting analysis on their live coverage tracker of which sub-groups the polling has been right on, and which populations have performed dramatically differently than expected.

The other issue that is incredibly apparent, is a lack of trust in our polling systems, and our ability to process votes in a reasonable and fast manner. We have had enough drawn out and contested elections now, that it seems like there should be bipartisan interest in actually securing and modernizing our elections.



ME splits its votes. 2 to overall winner, and 1 to each congressional district. It's probably going to be 3 to Biden, but ME2 may go to Trump.

In person voting with valid ID would solve a lot of these problems.

the Democrats have gotten their way with mail and ballots and it will stay and not go away.

Somehow it's voter suppression to require ID.

if you can't make it to a polling place then it's just not important to you.

[RevolverRob]

I think this is true of literally everyone right now, regardless of your political views.

The win I am taking away from this election is an engaged electorate. We are getting a ton of folks voting, and that is an incredibly important cornerstone to a healthy democracy.

The huge loss I am seeing is how close this is. Regardless of the result at this point, neither party has demonstrated that their message is engaging for a majority of Americans. Nobody gets a mandate out of this, and no good lessons are being learned right now. I was hoping for a blowout one way or another, but all we are getting is that our country is more aggressively divided than we previously knew, and that the polling profession is still having trouble getting a good read on certain populations. Five Thirty Eight has some interesting analysis on their live coverage tracker of which sub-groups the polling has been right on, and which populations have performed dramatically differently than expected.

I actually think you're wrong about 'divided'. You're viewing it as divided, because it's a two-party system and thus the results are placed as a dichotomy. Currently, your choice is turd sandwich or shit sandwich. Either way, it's going to taste like crap. If we had a legitimate, middle of the road, third party, I would not be surprised to see it spank the ever-loving shit out of both traditional 'left and right' parties.

I have talked to a lot of Americans and I honestly do not see division among them and their neighbors, excepting a few, deliberately, highlighted cases.

It's easy to suggest that the fact that Americans seem to consistently vote to split the house and senate and turn at least one portion of congress against the party of the president, is in favor of division. Yet, consistently, when polled and queried, Americans say they vote to keep the process divided to maintain middle-of-the-road stability, not because they are polarized. It's painted as a picture of polarization to favor certain folks.

And I like 538, but I think the reality is their methods and models are flawed. So far, they have been as wrong as often as they are right, suggesting their models are no better than a random walk.


The other issue that is incredibly apparent, is a lack of trust in our polling systems, and our ability to process votes in a reasonable and fast manner. We have had enough drawn out and contested elections now, that it seems like there should be bipartisan interest in actually securing and modernizing our elections.

This, I complete agree with, except I don't think it's in the interest of the politicians to improve the voting process. They are interested in voter suppression and a system where you think your vote won't count, is a system most likely to produce suppressed voters.

[Old Man Winter]

Short of anything really obvious or blatant, I think it would be a tragedy to question the integrity of this election.

Moving forward, it would be a tragedy not to devise ways to better ensure the integrity of the results.

I disagree. The mail in ballots need to be gone over with a fine tooth comb.

[VT1032]

I disagree. The mail in ballots need to be gone over with a fine tooth comb.How dare you try to disenfranchise the deceased voters of philadelphia?!?

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[JDD]

In person voting with valid ID would solve a lot of these problems.

the Democrats have gotten their way with mail and ballots and it will stay and not go away.

Somehow it's voter suppression to require ID.

if you can't make it to a polling place then it's just not important to you.

I know you don't mean it personally, but it has been roughly 16 years since I have been able to vote in person. Mostly because serving my country overseas is more important to me than making it to a polling place to vote in person. I take it pretty personally when people cast categorical aspirations on the legitimacy of mail in ballots. (although, we did just have a rare case of ballot fraud back in my home state, so lightning does strike: https://bangordailynews.com/2020/10/27/politics/orono-woman-charged-with-voter-fraud-after-allegedly-casting-former-roommates-ballot/)

[RJ]

The market, interestingly enough, appears to be optimistic (thus far).

And just think, we can expect a miraculous turn-around in the Corona virus situation with a Biden victory. So we got that going for us as well.

/sarc

In all honesty, if the election is even remotely close to being "fair" I'm good with it. I lived through FL in 2000, and I hope we don't have to go through that. I am glad so many took the time to vote; the turnout seems to be a huge increase in voters in 2020. I always think the country runs best when the people have their say.

If Trump ends up losing, he just needs to go look in the mirror. Maybe if he wasn't such an asshole he'd have done better, I don't know.

We are fooked If Biden gets to enact even 10% of his platform. And get ready for "the Squad" to begin manoeuvring for control. Should be quite a battle, between Biden's Praetorian Guard handlers, Harris's cackling laughter, and the Militant Progressive/BLM wing of the Democratic Party.

For my household, we've made a decision to move even farther away from the city/urban environment than we are now. I believe even Tampa is one incident away from full scale rioting like you saw in Minneapolis or Kenosha. It for sure can happen here. Our transition out to the sticks will take place over the next 6 months or so. I'm retired, and generally if the economy does not tank, we should be ok financially. Here in FL we are pretty gun-friendly, so I don't see much changing from that perspective.

Interesting times ahead.

[HeavyDuty]

The NH voting splits are interesting: 65% for a Republican governor, 57% for a Democratic senator. It's nice to see evidence of voting for individuals instead of party lockstep.

Coming from a single party state, I purposely picked NH partially because it’s purple. I’m glad to see this.

[RJ]

How dare you try to disenfranchise the deceased voters of philadelphia?!?

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[Navin Johnson]

I know you don't mean it personally, but it has been roughly 16 years since I have been able to vote in person. Mostly because serving my country overseas is more important to me than making it to a polling place to vote in person. I take it pretty personally when people cast categorical aspirations on the legitimacy of mail in ballots. (although, we did just have a rare case of ballot fraud back in my home state, so lightning does strike: https://bangordailynews.com/2020/10/27/politics/orono-woman-charged-with-voter-fraud-after-allegedly-casting-former-roommates-ballot/)

I could have been clear there certainly is reasons for mailing ballots.

As an example my son is out of state going to college.

However my problem is my state has been full mail in for the last several elections.

We had a gubernatorial race several years ago where there was three recounts and on every recount the Democrat had thousands more votes. At one point somebody found some bags of ballots behind a cabinet that had not been counted.

If the general population had to vote in person with ID I think it would more difficult to accidentally mail in a ballot of a deceased or not existing person or non-registered person.

[wvincent]

I know you don't mean it personally, but it has been roughly 16 years since I have been able to vote in person. Mostly because serving my country overseas is more important to me than making it to a polling place to vote in person. I take it pretty personally when people cast categorical aspirations on the legitimacy of mail in ballots. (although, we did just have a rare case of ballot fraud back in my home state, so lightning does strike: https://bangordailynews.com/2020/10/27/politics/orono-woman-charged-with-voter-fraud-after-allegedly-casting-former-roommates-ballot/)

The difference lies between "requested" absentee ballots, like you and I have used while deployed or stationed outside of our home states, vs unsolicited mass ballot mailings, which lends itself being vulnerable to ballot harvesting, etc.

Absentee voting is a time honored tradition, but even that needs to have it's limits. We have election day, not election week or election month. It's kind of like tax day, you need to perform your own due diligence to ensure your return is filed or mailed in time.

[mmc45414]

So, this is fresh from right now, and if Biden would win all of the three states he is leading in, he would have 270, but every one of those leads is less than a single percent.


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[BillSWPA]

Dick Morris explains exactly what is happening with the vote counts.

https://www.dickmorris.com/how-the-dems-are-trying-to-steal-the-election-special-election-alert/

Hie is incorrect about the PA courts being controlled by Republicans. The Democrats have a 5-2 majority on the state Supreme Court. His other observations, however, are completely correct.

[kitchen's mill]

Apparently the necessary uncounted ballots are this very minute being shipped to Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

Don't struggle, it will be over soon.........

[TicTacticalTimmy]

Apparently the necessary uncounted ballots are this very minute being shipped to Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

Don't struggle, it will be over soon.........

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They have already been delivered to Michigan

[WobblyPossum]

Michigan just flipped. Biden is ahead.

[peterb]

In person voting with valid ID would solve a lot of these problems.

the Democrats have gotten their way with mail and ballots and it will stay and not go away.

Somehow it's voter suppression to require ID.

if you can't make it to a polling place then it's just not important to you.

If someone has to take time off work to get an ID to vote, is that a poll tax?

I'd like to see mayors & governors do everything possible to deflate the argument by making it as easy as possible to get an ID. Go where the voters are. Send mobile units out into the neighborhoods. Help people get IDs. Take away the reasons that potential voters don't have IDs.

For someone busting their butt to get by, getting an ID may well be a low priority. If we're serious about wanting people to participate we should make it as easy as possible to do it properly.

[TiroFijo]

The last republican hope if Michigan is lost is Nevada, where democrats lead by 0.6% but almost 550,000 votes remain to be counted, and could lean republican.

And the counting could take a while.

[WobblyPossum]

If someone has to take time off work to get an ID to vote, is that a poll tax?

I'd like to see mayors & governors do everything possible to deflate the argument by making it as easy as possible to get an ID. Go where the voters are. Send mobile units out into the neighborhoods. Help people get IDs. Take away the reasons that potential voters don't have IDs.

For someone busting their butt to get by, getting an ID may well be a low priority. If we're serious about wanting people to participate we should make it as easy as possible to do it properly.

Agreed. It should cost you nothing to obtain a photo ID for your state.

[45dotACP]

It definitely appears that Biden has a more clear path to victory. He only has to win the states he's leading in. Trump has to do both that and take a lead in another state.

If the senate and house remain in gridlock I'm fine with whatever. The Republican party doesn't have to balls to pass anything when they've got all chambers and the Democrats won't hesitate to pass anything they can.

Interesting that it's not the "blue wave" everyone was predicting. Seems like a very tight race.

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[RJ]

It definitely appears that Biden has a more clear path to victory. He only has to win the states he's leading in. Trump has to do both that and take a lead in another state.

If the senate and house remain in gridlock I'm fine with whatever. The Republican party doesn't have to balls to pass anything when they've got all chambers and the Democrats won't hesitate to pass anything they can.

Interesting that it's not the "blue wave" everyone was predicting. Seems like a very tight race.

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Yep. There are six Senate races that have not been declared. It's 47-47 right now. I don't see those 6 going 3-3, with the tiebreaker being VP Harris as the President of the Senate.

GA has two (R - Purdue, Loeffler), then there's AK (R - Sullivan), ME (R-Collins), NC (R-Tillis), SC (R-Graham); the R is ahead in each of these, far as I can tell. In GA one is going to a runnoff. If Loeffler loses her runoff, it'd be +1 D and +5 R, for an ending count of 52-48 R lead. So I am hopeful the Senate will stay R to stem the tide of progressive nuttiness from Congress.

[Navin Johnson]

If someone has to take time off work to get an ID to vote, is that a poll tax?

I'd like to see mayors & governors do everything possible to deflate the argument by making it as easy as possible to get an ID. Go where the voters are. Send mobile units out into the neighborhoods. Help people get IDs. Take away the reasons that potential voters don't have IDs.

For someone busting their butt to get by, getting an ID may well be a low priority. If we're serious about wanting people to participate we should make it as easy as possible to do it properly.

The great state of Washington is going to give ID to illegals so it requires me to spend $100 to get an enhanced license as "citizens of the world" are going to get regular licenses.

These will likely be issued to people without any proof of anything.

The goal here is to allow illegals to vote and to be able to drive.

if you can't get off your f****** ass and get ID legally then you don't deserve to vote.

I would actually prefer less people voted as most are not qualified..... Just for clarity most people are not qualified to drive a car or own a firearm in my opinion.

Voter suppression or whatever the inclusive Democrats call it would be far better than bus loads of people being taken to polling places that never had an intent on voting anyways.

[shootist26]

It definitely appears that Biden has a more clear path to victory. He only has to win the states he's leading in. Trump has to do both that and take a lead in another state.

If the senate and house remain in gridlock I'm fine with whatever. The Republican party doesn't have to balls to pass anything when they've got all chambers and the Democrats won't hesitate to pass anything they can.

Interesting that it's not the "blue wave" everyone was predicting. Seems like a very tight race.

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Not only does Biden have a better path to victory, I don't see the Republicans holding the Senate either

John James in MI is going to lose and he is the last hope of flipping a D seat. Everywhere else, the Rs are playing defense. I can see three more R losses in close elections (GA, ME, NC) upcoming as mail in ballots (which heavily favor D) are counted. Plus Loeffler has to go to a runoff election in January as she is a deeply unpopular R senator

So that's 4 losses total. Dems need to flip 4 seats to take outright control, or just 3 if Biden wins as the VP can cast a tiebreaking vote

[BillSWPA]

Look, we found more ballots in Michigan, and surprise, they are all for Biden.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2020/11/04/the-update-in-michigan-that-looks-awfully-suspicious-n2579437

[TheNewbie]

This is Latin American corruption happening right in from of us. The system seems to have ended.


This is why you vote.


I can’t believe I’m watching an election being stolen right in front of me. May God have mercy on us because the left won’t. Just ask Eastern Europe and the Chinese.


Hopefully the truth comes out, but there are so many forces against the truth it’s going to be difficult.

[Borderland]

My guess is after this election voting by mail will become the preferred method. Some people will try to prove fraud but without more cases of that actually happening I doubt the objections will stand up in court. If my state sends me a mail in ballot I'm not going to stand in a line for hours on a rainy windy day to vote. That was the weather here yesterday.

I don't trust my mail to get to me anymore because we have a lot of mailbox theft but I trust the USPS to deliver a ballot if I drop it off at the PO or ballot drop box.

[BillSWPA]

Trump's team remains confident, predicting narrow wins in PA, NV, and AZ, and a recount in WI.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortneyobrien/2020/11/04/trump-campaign-manager-president-trump-wins-if-n2579441

[TheNewbie]

Trump's team remains confident, predicting narrow wins in PA, MI, and AZ, and a recount in WI.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortneyobrien/2020/11/04/trump-campaign-manager-president-trump-wins-if-n2579441


I hope.

It’s obvious Trump and America won in reality. Now will the truth be allowed to become known?

[MK11]

So.....Trump wants to keep counting mail-in ballots in places where he's slightly behind, like AZ, and stop counting mail-in ballots in places where he holds a slim lead?

That is some Latin American bullshit!

[RoyGBiv]

Look, we found more ballots in Michigan, and surprise, they are all for Biden.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2020/11/04/the-update-in-michigan-that-looks-awfully-suspicious-n2579437

That is depressing. Because you know they're going to get away with it. Just like Hillary's server.

[wvincent]

So.....Trump wants to keep counting mail-in ballots in places where he's slightly behind, like AZ, and stop counting mail-in ballots in places where he holds a slim lead?

That is some Latin American bullshit!

Source?

[BillSWPA]

So.....Trump wants to keep counting mail-in ballots in places where he's slightly behind, like AZ, and stop counting mail-in ballots in places where he holds a slim lead?

That is some Latin American bullshit!

You have completely and totally mischaracterized the situation.

The votes being counted in AZ were cast on election day.

PA wants to count votes received by Nov. 6, unless there is proof that it was postmarked after Nov. 3. PA is using this time to "find" the votes needed to defeat Trump. That is the real Latin American BS.

[Gun Mutt]

My guess is after this election voting by mail will become the preferred method. Some people will try to prove fraud but without more cases of that actually happening I doubt the objections will stand up in court. If my state sends me a mail in ballot I'm not going to stand in a line for hours on a rainy windy day to vote. That was the weather here yesterday.

I don't trust my mail to get to me anymore because we have a lot of mailbox theft but I trust the USPS to deliver a ballot if I drop it off at the PO or ballot drop box.

Fwiw, here in IN, you can take your completed absentee ballot to any early voting station and walk right to the front of the line to turn it in.

[BillSWPA]

Trump has a 600,000 vote lead in PA. Philadelphia has today counted another 144,000 mail-in ballots, with 200,000 to go. Other counties will have smaller numbers of mail-in legitimate ballots to count. We may have just enough votes in PA to overcome the fraud.

https://www.newsmax.com/politics/jim-mclaughlin-pollster-philadelphia-pennsylvania/2020/11/04/id/995328/

[TAZ]

Trump has a 600,000 vote lead in PA. Philadelphia has today counted another 144,000 mail-in ballots, with 200,000 to go. Other counties will have smaller numbers of mail-in legitimate ballots to count. We may have just enough votes in PA to overcome the fraud.

https://www.newsmax.com/politics/jim-mclaughlin-pollster-philadelphia-pennsylvania/2020/11/04/id/995328/

Never fear. Al Franken was seen driving east with a station wagon loaded with boxes. Where there is a will there is a way.

[wvincent]

Now that the election voting is over, do we get to see the Durham report?


Meanwhile, in the DOJ parking lot:
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[Cory]

Look, we found more ballots in Michigan, and surprise, they are all for Biden.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2020/11/04/the-update-in-michigan-that-looks-awfully-suspicious-n2579437

This is ridiculous. I think voting fraud like this should be very close to or on par with treason.

[Borderland]

You have completely and totally mischaracterized the situation.

The votes being counted in AZ were cast on election day.

PA wants to count votes received by Nov. 6, unless there is proof that it was postmarked after Nov. 3. PA is using this time to "find" the votes needed to defeat Trump. That is the real Latin American BS.

I doubt that. The 3 day rule is for ballots to be delivered. If someone dropped a ballot off at their PO yesterday, there's a good chance it won't be delivered for a few days. USPS has to be given enough time to deliver a ballot. That's how mail-in works. When you order something from Amazon does it appear at your doorstep the same day? Nope, at least it's never happened to me.

[HeavyDuty]

Just remember, individual postage machines can be set to print any date you want...

[peterb]

Voting administrators worked into and through the wee hours in swing states like Pennsylvania and Michigan. Officials in those states pleaded for patience as they worked through the unprecedented amount of mail votes they received.

"We're doing everything we can to get it done as soon as possible, but we'll be working 24 hours — through the night — to get it done," said Lisa Deeley, the chairwoman of the Philadelphia City Commissioners. Other counties in Pennsylvania were not set to even begin counting their absentee ballots until Wednesday.

In most states, election officials could start the arduous process that goes into counting mail votes many days before Election Day, but in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, officials had their hands tied by state laws that did not allow for such preparation.

To be clear, this sort of waiting game for results is not uncommon.

Official results have never been fully tallied by election night; the announced winners and losers on the night of the election are actually projections made by media organizations, explained Justin Levitt, an election law expert at Loyola Law School.

"We never, ever have election results on election night," Levitt said. "We have essentially educated guesses."

Officials in Wisconsin said they expected to get through their absentee votes by Wednesday. Michigan Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson predicted her state would be done counting by Friday, and similarly, Pennsylvania Secretary of state Kathy Boockvar said the "overwhelming majority of ballots" in her state would be counted "within a few days."

https://www.npr.org/2020/11/04/931136905/we-ll-be-working-24-hours-vote-counting-to-continue-through-the-week

[Borderland]

Just remember, individual postage machines can be set to print any date you want...

Lots of things can happen to ballots. No doubt some disgruntled PO employee could throw a wrench into the vote count. If that can be proven after an investigation then a court needs to decide that it was fraud and what to do after the fact.

[BillSWPA]

I doubt that. The 3 day rule is for ballots to be delivered. If someone dropped a ballot off at their PO yesterday, there's a good chance it won't be delivered for a few days. USPS has to be given enough time to deliver a ballot. That's how mail-in works. When you order something from Amazon does it appear at your doorstep the same day? Nope, at least it's never happened to me.

That is exactly what the left would have us believe.

Do you seriously think any significant number of voters waited until yesterday to mail their ballot?

Edited to add: a federal court ordered a sweep of the post offices for any undelivered ballots. Not many were found.

https://www.newsmax.com/politics/ballots-mail-court-sweep/2020/11/04/id/995351/

So, there should be very few legitimate ballots postmarked on the 3rd and delivered by the 6th.

[TiroFijo]

With due respect, I think a better system could be devised to have a faster and more transparent vote count.

It serves no one (at least regarding well intentioned, law abiding voters) to have election results delayed for some many days, even without recounts or legal shenanigans.

[peterb]

With due respect, I think a better system could be devised to have a faster and more transparent vote count.

It serves no one (at least regarding well intentioned, law abiding voters) to have election results delayed for some many days, even without recounts or legal shenanigans.

Easy, fast, secure. Pick any two......

[RoyGBiv]

Arizona back in play?


BREAKING: Major Error Found In Arizona Results (https://www.dailywire.com/news/breaking-major-error-found-in-arizona-results)

[TiroFijo]

Easy, fast, secure. Pick any two......

Come'on... just about any other nation on earth has managed, most with far less resources.

I live in a country where electoral fraud is a form of art, and yet we have managed to keep it to very low levels. You can still "buy" poor people's IDs for a day to keep them from voting on election day, or bribe/seduce voters just like anywhere else with gifts and promises, but that just about it.

A standarized, difficult to forfetit, ID that is linked to a database would be a great step.

[Old Man Winter]

With due respect, I think a better system could be devised to have a faster and more transparent vote count.

It serves no one (at least regarding well intentioned, law abiding voters) to have election results delayed for some many days, even without recounts or legal shenanigans.

I've never understood why it's not tied to the SSA.gov website. Built in verification and wouldn't be terribly difficult to have the state and lower level ballots uploaded to the site based on your address.

[RoyGBiv]

More than 250,000 ballots still to be counted, primarily from Maricopa.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2020/11/04/it-appears-there-was-a-major-vote-counting-error-in-arizona-n2579447

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[Old Man Winter]

Arizona back in play?

BREAKING: Major Error Found In Arizona Results (https://www.dailywire.com/news/breaking-major-error-found-in-arizona-results)

Are there problems in AZ with sharpie ballots or is this interwebz bullshiz?

[shootist26]

https://apps.npr.org/liveblogs/20201103-election/#michigan-where-the-race-stands-296

Biden lead grows in MI as most remaining ballots to be counted are located in Detroit, Grand Rapids, Kalamazoo and Flint area (all overwhelmingly D)

Trump lead evaporating in GA as most remaining ballots to be counted are located in Atlanta area (overwhelmingly D)

Bad news for both Trump and the Senate races

[olstyn]

So it looks like the current margin between Trump and Biden in WI is less than the number of votes counted for Jo Jorgensen. :(

[TheNewbie]

It’s clear what is happening. The dems, left, commies (all the same) are stealing the election. Only an idiot or one in agreement with the theft couldn’t see that.


Which is more troubling?

That the election is being stolen are so many America’s voted for communist and those who hate our country?

[Balisong]

Arizona back in play?


BREAKING: Major Error Found In Arizona Results (https://www.dailywire.com/news/breaking-major-error-found-in-arizona-results)

Maybe that was an error or whatever, but I don't see it changing anything. Maricopa county is the location of our major cities like Phoenix and Mesa, etc. And those areas have become increasingly less red as time goes on. I can't look it up now, but im reasonably sure that Hillary won Maricopa County if I'm remembering right.

[TheNewbie]

So it looks like the current margin between Trump and Biden in WI is less than the number of votes counted for Jo Jorgensen. :(

The funny thing about most libertarians. They don’t love liberty.


Schmendricks.

[Borderland]

That is exactly what the left would have us believe.

Do you seriously think any significant number of voters waited until yesterday to mail their ballot?

Edited to add: a federal court ordered a sweep of the post offices for any undelivered ballots. Not many were found.

https://www.newsmax.com/politics/ballots-mail-court-sweep/2020/11/04/id/995351/

So, there should be very few legitimate ballots postmarked on the 3rd and delivered by the 6th.

IDK. I don't work for the USPS in PA. I think your beef may be with your state elected officials. It appears that you have a GOP controlled legislature. Maybe they rigged it. :D

[SLUZENE]

The funny thing about most libertarians. They don’t love liberty.


Schmendricks.

Trump or Biden will bring forth what libertarians think of as liberty?

[Borderland]

The funny thing about most libertarians. They don’t love liberty.


Schmendricks.

Maybe. But apparently they still vote as it looks like 1.5% of the popular vote. Personally, I kind of like the wildcard disruption factor. It can beat you if you aren't on top of your game.

[TheNewbie]

Maybe. But apparently they still vote as it looks like 1.5% of the popular vote. Personally, I kind of like the wildcard disruption factor. It can beat you if you aren't on top of your game.

It can destroy a country.

[Borderland]

Trump or Biden will bring forth what libertarians think of as liberty?

Nope. SOS, different day.

[Borderland]

It can destroy a country.

Ross Perot ran on a 3rd party ticket. We're still here.

[theJanitor]

Is there a credible news source for the 138k overnight votes for Biden? I only see things like this:

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201104/569f0b30ea3eac732ff7d06e593c0a79.jpg


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[JCS]

Is there a credible news source for the 138k overnight votes for Biden? I only see things like this:

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201104/569f0b30ea3eac732ff7d06e593c0a79.jpg


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https://www.dailywire.com/news/twitter-censors-daily-wires-matt-walsh-after-trump-agrees-with-message-conservatives-sound-off

128k according to Walsh. Trump retweeted.

[Darth_Uno]

Trump or Biden will bring forth what libertarians think of as liberty?

I'm not even sure libertarians can do it.

[TheNewbie]

Ross Perot ran on a 3rd party ticket. We're still here.

A stupid comment.

I’m talking about our value system. If you think that’s still here you are clueless.

Of course if you don’t like our value system then I understand why you wouldn’t care who wins.



Thinking like this is part of the reason we are in trouble. Of course we all have some guilt in the loss of what it means to be America.

[Lex Luthier]

Scott Adams tweeted earlier today:

"Even the looters don't know what to do now."

https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1323994168515944448

[BillSWPA]

Apparently PA has about 1.4 million votes left to count. For Biden to win, about 2/3 of them would need to go to Biden. This will be very close.

[shootist26]

WI called for Biden

PA will eventually too once the mail in ballots (which are overwhelmingly D) are counted.

[Zincwarrior]

ABC is saying Collins is projected to keep her Senate seat.

[MK11]

You have completely and totally mischaracterized the situation.

The votes being counted in AZ were cast on election day.

PA wants to count votes received by Nov. 6, unless there is proof that it was postmarked after Nov. 3. PA is using this time to "find" the votes needed to defeat Trump. That is the real Latin American BS.

Let's keep PA out of it for now, because it's starting to look like what happens in PA won't matter (and I agree with you that the way PA is set up is wrong).

Patch: (https://patch.com/arizona/across-az/how-long-will-vote-counting-take-arizona-presidential-race) In Arizona, mail-in ballots are allowed to be counted ahead of Election Day but county recorders were not able to release any data until 8 p.m. — an hours after the polls close. Additionally, not all of the ballots can be counted until every voter has had the chance to correct the signatures on their ballots so they can be properly verified. Voters have five days to do so, which means that all ballots won't be counted until Nov. 10.

"Late-arriving votes cast closest to Election Day are the ones being counted now," Bill Stepien said, adding they expect between two-thirds and 70% of the remaining uncounted ballots would be "coming to the President. That math adds up to a margin of around 30,000 votes in the President's favor," Stepien said, adding that Arizona "will come the President's way." https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/04/politics/trump-election-results/index

Mail-in ballots counted after Election Day that might help Trump, good.

Meanwhile, "In three key states -- Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin -- election officials were not allowed to begin processing absentee ballots until on or just before Election Day, after Republican-led state legislatures successfully opposed changing laws to allow earlier preparations like other states." Source: Same CNN article

"They are finding Biden votes all over the place -- in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan. So bad for our Country!" Trump wrote on Twitter. Source: Same CNN article

Mail-in ballots counted after Election Day that go against Trump, bad.

[Borderland]

A stupid comment.

I’m talking about our value system. If you think that’s still here you are clueless.

Of course if you don’t like our value system then I understand why you wouldn’t care who wins.



Thinking like this is part of the reason we are in trouble. Of course we all have some guilt in the loss of what it means to be America.

No. I think you're talking about your value system.


“The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism.” George Washington


“a division of the republic into two great parties … is to be dreaded as the great political evil.” John Adams