1301 Red Dot Recommendations.

[nraforlife]

Anyone have any recommendation on a good red Dot system for the 1301 Tactical? <$200 please

[breakingtime91]

Some type of holosun micro should work fine

[HCM]

Anyone have any recommendation on a good red Dot system for the 1301 Tactical? <$200 please

In that price range - Holosun all day.

Whether you go for the Aimpoint micro style or the RMR style do yourself a favor and use the Aridus industries CROM direct mount instead of the 1913 rail. The 1913 will work but you will need a new stock or at least a cheek riser.

[nraforlife]

Thanks

[jeep45238]

Holosun 403 series.

[TCinVA]

The green Holosun optics are preferable to the red ones for me because the red ones wash out more easily.

I have a Swamp Fox Justice on my backup 1301. It's running just fine.

[vaglocker]

The green Holosun optics are preferable to the red ones for me because the red ones wash out more easily.

I have a Swamp Fox Justice on my backup 1301. It's running just fine.

braggard :o

[Erick Gelhaus]

Mine has an Aimpoint T-1 on it.

[LHS]

Mine has an Aimpoint T-1 on it.

Same on one of my 870s. I actually rather like the old 4MOA dot on the gauge, compared to the more modern 2MOA dots.

[Balisong]

I just pre-ordered from the next batch of LTT 1301s due February. I selected the Aimpoint micro Haught mod setup. I see the Holosun 503 series has the same footprint as the Aimpoint Micro, but will it still sit at the proper height for cowitness in that setup?

Also I'm leaning towards the HS503C model for the circle dot reticle and solar capability. But is anyone aware of the model except green instead of red reticle?

[MDFA]

Not for the 1301, but I just ordered the Holosun HS 510C Circle/Dot RDS and the Scalarworks RMR SYNC Mount for my Benelli M2. I think the 65 MOA Ring and Dot will be just the thing for a shotgun. I'll post more once I have a chance to test it out.

[MDFA]

Not for the 1301, but I just ordered the Holosun HS 510C Circle/Dot RDS and the Scalarworks RMR SYNC Mount for my Benelli M2. I think the 65 MOA Ring and Dot will be just the thing for a shotgun. I'll post more once I have a chance to test it out.

Just a heads up I trusted Brownells answers to people who asked about the HS 510C when Brownells told them that the sight also fit an RMR footprint. It does not have an RMR footprint as is common with many Holosun sights. I have a Trijicon RMR on order to go with the Scalarworks SYNC Mount. Just an FYI to everyone.

[SeriousStudent]

Same on one of my 870s. I actually rather like the old 4MOA dot on the gauge, compared to the more modern 2MOA dots.


Agreed, The older 4MOA H-1 is the real sweet spot, I think. The dot is a very useful size for fast yet accurate acquisition, and you can find them relatively cheap in used but very good condition on various EE's.

I think I have four of them on different shotguns. Two 870's, a 1301 and a 590A1. Like all the Aimpoint products I own, I have never had any issues.

[dogcaller]

I liked the idea of being able to pick up a 4moa H-2 micro, used, but haven't found one yet--and when I do, I'm not sure it'll be at a price I'm willing to pay. Aside from the zombie apocalypse and very occasional training class or coyote hunting, the primary use will be the "hang on a tree in the campsite in case a bear gets frisky" shotgun during our summer (remote) camping. This (https://www.opticsplanet.com/holosun-paralow-hs503g-red-dot-sight-acss-reticle.html) is interesting, but I'm wondering if it's trying too hard to be all things to all people. Does anyone have any actual experience with one? And, in particular, is there any actual utility to the reticle regarding buckshot? Thanks!

[Cory]

At somepoint I'm thinking of putting a primary arms microdot I've got on my 1301 using a CROM. But it's on an AR at the moment, and for my uses a red dot isn't strictly needed.

[23JAZ]

Vortex Crossfire Gen 2. It was on my 590 for a year and now it sits on the 1301 mounted on a CROM. No complaints. The Gen 2 has a 50K hour battery life on setting 6.

[HCM]

I liked the idea of being able to pick up a 4moa H-2 micro, used, but haven't found one yet--and when I do, I'm not sure it'll be at a price I'm willing to pay. Aside from the zombie apocalypse and very occasional training class or coyote hunting, the primary use will be the "hang on a tree in the campsite in case a bear gets frisky" shotgun during our summer (remote) camping. This (https://www.opticsplanet.com/holosun-paralow-hs503g-red-dot-sight-acss-reticle.html) is interesting, but I'm wondering if it's trying too hard to be all things to all people. Does anyone have any actual experience with one? And, in particular, is there any actual utility to the reticle regarding buckshot? Thanks!

AFAIK the T/2 H2 is 2 MOA only.

The original H1/T1 was 4 MOA.

Newer ones will be marked with the dot size (2MOA or 4 MOA). If no dot size marking it is an original 4 MOA model.

[dogcaller]

AFAIK the T/2 H2 is 2 MOA only.

The original H1/T1 was 4 MOA.

Newer ones will be marked with the dot size (2MOA or 4 MOA). If no dot size marking it is an original 4 MOA model.

Gotcha, thanks for the correction.

[Kosuke Kutsunugi]

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I use Chinese cheap red dot sight for hunting.
vector optics is good for cost performance.

[Balisong]

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I use Chinese cheap red dot sight for hunting.
vector optics is good for cost performance.

Very nice shooting!!

My understanding is firearms ownership in Japan is extremely difficult. Was it a large ordeal to be able to get your Beretta and to be able to shoot it?

[Wyoming Shooter]

I purchased a 1301 T gen 2 yesterday. I have a Holosun 507K X2 with the circle/dot reticle on a P365. I'm thinking that reticle might work well on the new 1301. Anyone have experience with the Holosun 510C https://www.holosun.com/index/product/detail/id/124.html on a 1301T? Thanks very much.

[Unobtanium]

AFAIK the T/2 H2 is 2 MOA only.

The original H1/T1 was 4 MOA.

Newer ones will be marked with the dot size (2MOA or 4 MOA). If no dot size marking it is an original 4 MOA model.

I have a 4moa H2 on one of my M4 entry guns.

[diananike]

The Holosun with a circle dot is about perfect for a shotgun.
You can use the circle to approximate a buckshot pattern. Which combined with the soft recoil of a 1301 is truly next generation.

[Wyoming Shooter]

I purchased a Holosun 507C X2. This model has the 32 MOA circle and 2 MOA dot. I've ordered an Aridus CROM with the Rob Haught mod. It's all coming together. PF has been very helpful in selecting and sourcing the pieces for this shotgun. Thanks!

[GJM]

Same on one of my 870s. I actually rather like the old 4MOA dot on the gauge, compared to the more modern 2MOA dots.

While it is rib mounted, I like the 6 moa on the Aimpoint S1 even more, on a shotgun.

If it is a house gun, an open emitter is probably fine. For a field shotgun, a closed emitter makes a lot of sense.

[diananike]

The Holosun with a circle dot is about perfect for a shotgun.
You can use the circle to approximate a buckshot pattern. Which combined with the soft recoil of a 1301 is truly next generation.

I should clarify
The Holosun models with the 64MOA circle reticle option approximate tight patterning buckshot out to around 25yds.
The 32MOA circle options do not.

[Dorsai]

I should clarify
The Holosun models with the 64MOA circle reticle option approximate tight patterning buckshot out to around 25yds.
The 32MOA circle options do not.

I agree, but it depends on how your barrel and ammo patterns. The standard rule of thumb for a cylinder choke barrel wass 1" of spread per yard of travel. So at 25 yards, your pattern would be 25". So for many years, 25 yards was considered the max effective range for a 12ga because of the spread and likelihood of errant pellets endangering others behind your target. However, modified barrels like the Vang Comp will tighten up your pattern with standard ammo. Federal Premium Flight Control will also group much tighter than budget buckshot.

With respect to the reticle size, 65moa is a 16.25" circle at 25 yds. That is probably looser than the pattern for Flight Control ammo out of most barrels or standard ammo in a Vang Comp barrel. But it is too tight for a standard barrel, budget ammo. The 32moa is an 8" circle at 25yds and that is too tight for any load or barrel in my opinion. Individual examples may match that, but in general, no. So I agree, the 65moa is a more realistic and better choice in most cases if you are using it as a gauge of your shot pattern at any particular range.

[diananike]

Absolutely all of the above.
Some barrels and buckshot and choke combos will do better then 16” at 25yds, many will do worse.
I find my Gen 2 1301 with IC choke, and the factory backbored barrel will put them into 16” with many budget/conventional 00 buckshot loads. My other cylinder bore pump guns certainly don’t pattern as tight with regular buckshot loads.
As usual pattern your gun. And sight it in

[diananike]

Double post

[Centerfire]

Most slugs will work with Modified choke tubes too. There are options beyond Cylinder and Improved Cylinder to change patterning.

I have a Holosun 508R on my 1301. I like it quite a bit and find the 32 MOA reticle to be a good compromise.

[dogcaller]

Received my CROM with Aimpoint Micro footprint today from Brownells.

Here’s what I’m looking for… A good value* closed emitter RDS of 4-12moa. Circle dot would be ideal. Value* meaning: appropriate quality to the task, without having big $ tied up in the safe, unused, most of the time. I need reliable, don’t need bomb-proof. Primary use is range fun, maybe a class, eventually, predator hunting, and camp-site bear medicine.

Something like a Sig Romeo5 (2moa) is the fall back. Just wish it had a larger dot or a circle dot.

I’ve looked, but haven’t found it yet. You…?

[dogcaller]

Received my CROM with Aimpoint Micro footprint today from Brownells.

Here’s what I’m looking for… A good value* closed emitter RDS of 4-12moa. Circle dot would be ideal. Value* meaning: appropriate quality to the task, without having big $ tied up in the safe, unused, most of the time. I need reliable, don’t need bomb-proof. Primary use is range fun, maybe a class, eventually, predator hunting, and camp-site bear medicine.

Something like a Sig Romeo5 (2moa) is the fall back. Just wish it had a larger dot or a circle dot.

I’ve looked, but haven’t found it yet. You…?

Well, I kept looking and I found some good options. The Sig Romeo5 is offered with a circle-dot reticle, as is the Holosun 503CU. I don’t have experience with either but it seems like a coin flip. The HS has the solar cells and is $60 more, but neither of those factors is particularly important to me. If anyone has experience with these and an opinion, I’m all ears. Otherwise, I’ll pick one and report back. It’ll be going on a CROM.

[HeavyDuty]

I’m one of those people that wants to be able to see the irons through the optic mounted on a CROM - the Holosuns and SIGs I tried mounted too tall to allow this. I took someone here’s suggestion (I can’t remember who) and picked up a Primary Arms SLX-MD-20, it will hold down the fort until I find a reasonable 4 MOA H-1.

They regularly go on sale for cheap: https://www.primaryarms.com/primary-arms-slx-md-20-advanced-push-button-20mm-micro-red-dot-sight