Questions for Sig Armorer Course

[John Hearne]

I have class later this week. Does anybody have any non-snarky questions I should ask?

[lwt16]

I have class later this week. Does anybody have any non-snarky questions I should ask?

Which class/model?

[John Hearne]

Sorry, P320.

[HCM]

Commercial availability of size L Carry grip shells ?

Any insight on factory 21 round mags over inserting and bending the ejector when used in conjunction with the X5 mag ? well ? (We’ve had this happen 3x)

How do the IOP / LE PRO FCUs compare to the DHS contract FCUs ?

Any chance of PRO optics cut .40 cal guns or slide kits ?

[lwt16]

Take reading glasses if you need them. Some tiny springs.

My instructor said “if you drop a spring, just come get a replacement. You’ll never find it!”

He also refused to have us use slave pins for the sear and safety lever.

“You won’t have them in the field anyway....” and then he showed us a better way.

Good class. You’ll enjoy it.

I’m going to Glock armorer class tomorrow.

[HCountyGuy]

Eh, maybe ask about the decision of deleting the safety lever spring in current production?

[5pins]

Is it safe to drop?:D

[KevH]

How do the IOP / LE PRO FCUs compare to the DHS contract FCUs ?


This.

Please also ask if an FCU with a field replaceable ejector may be offered in the future.

[Tokarev]

This.

Please also ask if an FCU with a field replaceable ejector may be offered in the future.

Not something the instructor will likely know and/or be able to disclose. He's probably sworn to secrecy on any future projects if he knows about them at all.

Anyway, I always sort of thought SIG missed the boat in this regard. Ideally the 320 chassis would have been made so that it could be configured as a 10mm, 38 Super, 45 Auto, 40 S&W, 357 SIG, or 9mm by changing the ejector and slide catch parts. Same goes for the ambi safety. The chassis should be pre-cut to accept the thumb safety even if the user doesn't want one installed.

[KevH]

Not something the instructor will likely know and/or be able to disclose. He's probably sworn to secrecy on any future projects if he knows about them at all.


It never hurts to asked. I've learned a lot from local reps and instructors in those classes, including things that the company probably would not have wanted passed along.

[John Hearne]

Commercial availability of size L Carry grip shells ?

Any insight on factory 21 round mags over inserting and bending the ejector when used in conjunction with the X5 mag ? well ? (We’ve had this happen 3x)


Just that it is rare and you really have to apply a lot of force to make it happen. And that other designs are vulnerable as well.



How do the IOP / LE PRO FCUs compare to the DHS contract FCUs ?

There are only two styles of FCUs - the full military/DHS model with coatings and everything else. The coatings are part of a contract done with an agency.



Any chance of PRO optics cut .40 cal guns or slide kits ?

Still need to ask.

[John Hearne]

Eh, maybe ask about the decision of deleting the safety lever spring in current production?

They didn't just delete the spring but changed the safety lever design. The new design has a longer "tail" which allows it to be controlled directly by the trigger bar. If the gun originally had the spring, it should be reinstalled with the spring.

[John Hearne]

This.

Please also ask if an FCU with a field replaceable ejector may be offered in the future.

No.

[John Hearne]

No idea about the availability of large grip modules.

[KevH]

No.

Thanks for asking.

[John Hearne]

Any chance of PRO optics cut .40 cal guns or slide kits ?

Eventually - yes. Any time soon - no.

[John Hearne]

As with the classics, the IOP line guns are slightly different. Parts wise, they are identical unless the gun has a recoil spring guide (IOP get metal ones). The IOP guns do get more QC checks than the commercial guns.

[John Hearne]

Regarding new products, I was told that Sig has a lot of stuff planned but lacks the ability to manufacture it. The factory is currently turning out 100,000 pistols a month and isn't keeping up with demand. I asked about offering the X series grip modules for the 45 ACP FCU and was told it would happen eventually but nobody knows when.

[TheNewbie]

Regarding new products, I was told that Sig has a lot of stuff planned but lacks the ability to manufacture it. The factory is currently turning out 100,000 pistols a month and isn't keeping up with demand. I asked about offering the X series grip modules for the 45 ACP FCU and was told it would happen eventually but nobody knows when.

Any interesting new products?


Thanks for asking these things and taking the time to post them!

[HCM]

Just that it is rare and you really have to apply a lot of force to make it happen. And that other designs are vulnerable as well.

Thanks. So 3 instances of this at work ( 3 different dudes) and one local IDPA shooter who has done it twice with two different guns. The guys doing it at work are all Gorillas but the IDPA guy is just a normal-ish dude.

[lwt16]

As with the classics, the IOP line guns are slightly different. Parts wise, they are identical unless the gun has a recoil spring guide (IOP get metal ones). The IOP guns do get more QC checks than the commercial guns.

Hmmm. Sort of surprised they admitted that.

They giving out any goodies these days to armorers?

[Tokarev]

I asked about offering the X series grip modules for the 45 ACP FCU and was told it would happen eventually but nobody knows when.

Thanks for asking about this. I figured SIG had given up on the 45 Auto 320.

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[John Hearne]

Thanks for asking about this. I figured SIG had given up on the 45 Auto 320.

I think most everybody has. Of course, if the election goes badly and we're back with 10 round magazines and no grandfathering of older high cap mags, the 45 may come roaring back.

I pray they don't because I'm about to buy my third P320 in 9mm. If they release the X grip for the 45 FCU I'll have to buy more guns. I still think the bigger bullet can matter and 10+1 strikes me as plenty of bullets.

[KevH]

Thanks. So 3 instances of this at work ( 3 different dudes) and one local IDPA shooter who has done it twice with two different guns. The guys doing it at work are all Gorillas but the IDPA guy is just a normal-ish dude.

It's been beaten to death in other threads, but the difference with the other vulnerable designs (any non-tapered magazine design of which the venerable 1911 is certainly one of them) is that either the user or a simple armorer can change the part easily in under an hour.

The P320 may be the first design I'm aware of where the serialized frame is trash if the ejector is broken or bent. Having broken myself and replaced ejectors broken by others in the 1911 platform this seems problematic.