USPSA Production/CO Nationals 2020

[Sal Picante]

Looks like Jacob Hetherington (AMU) won Production and Max Michel won CO!
Congrats to Gio for a top-10 finish (#10). Most excellent!
https://practiscore.com/results/new/120572?q_division=0


Name
1-Hetherington, Jacob (Tanfo) 100%
2-Lane, Mason (Sig) 99
3-Luna, Sal (CZ or Tanfo?) 96%
4-Racaza, Simon joseph (Beretta 92XPerf) 95%
5-Jonasson, Nils (Glock) 95%
6-Reed, Casey (Tanfo) 90%
7-Strader, Phil (Sig) 90%
8-Turner, Tyler 88%
9-Coley, Shane (Glock) 87%
10-Giovannini, Brian 86%
11-Scott, Chris 86%
12-Dupuy, Bryce 85%
13-Lutman, Stephen 81%
14-Fox, Jared 81%
15-Singleton, Garran 80%
16-Maskey, Russell (CZ) 80%


In CO,

Name
1-Michel, Max (Sig) 100%
2-Bradley, Jason 94%
3-Kim, Hwansik (Walther) 91%
4-Griffith, Sean 90%
5-Beal, Jay 2 (Glock) 90%
6-Gries, Lane 2 90%
7-Emrich, Jeff 90%
8-Eusebio, Kc 90%
9-Ariss, Austin 89%
10-Vlieger, John 89%
11-Mccamish, Travis 89%
12-Cao, Luke 2 87%
13-Nelson, Brian 87%
14-Walden, Nick 87%
15-Ferrer, Justin 86%
16-Castro, Tom (Canik) 86%

[edison]

Tyler Turner is on a glock & I want to guess KC is on a zev glock.
Jared Fox is on a cz

[Cory]

I haven't been following closely... is Stoeger shooting limited?

Also, tell your homie niccccceee on those 92X performnce guns.

[bwswanson]

I haven't been following closely... is Stoeger shooting limited?

Also, tell your homie niccccceee on those 92X performnce guns.

No he isn’t shooting nationals this year.

[Lon]

Also, tell your homie niccccceee on those 92X performnce guns.

Seeing a Beretta shooter in the top 5 makes me happy.

[Eyesquared]

Was Nils actually shooting a Glock? He is sponsored by Canik.

I believe Jason Bradley shoots a Canik as well. Luke Cao is shooting a Walther, Jeff Emrich shoots a Shadow 2, and Justin Ferrer shoots a P320.

[YVK]

#24 in CO at just under 84% is a kid who shot up from a C class to a GM in a matter of few months and is competing with a Glock 26, just because. He should be fun to watch over next few years.

Max has been totally dominant in this division. I think it is four in a row and nobody else has won CO title?

[Jared]

No he isn’t shooting nationals this year.

Haven’t been following closely in a few years, if this surprises me? Any reason given for skipping?

[feudist]

#24 in CO at just under 84% is a kid who shot up from a C class to a GM in a matter of few months and is competing with a Glock 26, just because. He should be fun to watch over next few years.

Max has been totally dominant in this division. I think it is four in a row and nobody else has won CO title?

:(

Maybe I should log out and get to dryfiring.

[YVK]

Haven’t been following closely in a few years, if this surprises me? Any reason given for skipping?

I don't know his reasons but I wonder if he cares anymore for that match or USPSA brand. I don't think he has much left to prove in this division, if at all. I trained with him just one week before last year's Nationals and while everyone else was prepping for the match, he went on a vacation. I was actually happy for him that way.

[Gio]

Looks like Jacob Hetherington (AMU) won Production and Max Michel won CO!
Congrats to Gio for a top-10 finish (#10). Most excellent!
https://practiscore.com/results/new/120572?q_division=0


Name
1-Hetherington, Jacob (Tanfo) 100%
2-Lane, Mason (Sig) 99
3-Luna, Sal (CZ or Tanfo?) 96%
4-Racaza, Simon joseph (Beretta 92XPerf) 95%
5-Jonasson, Nils (Glock) 95%
6-Reed, Casey (Tanfo) 90%
7-Strader, Phil (Sig) 90%
8-Turner, Tyler 88%
9-Coley, Shane (Glock) 87%
10-Giovannini, Brian 86%
11-Scott, Chris 86%
12-Dupuy, Bryce 85%
13-Lutman, Stephen 81%
14-Fox, Jared 81%
15-Singleton, Garran 80%
16-Maskey, Russell (CZ) 80%


Thanks bro! I was on the super squad this year, and it was definitely a great learning experience. Tyler is shooting a Glock, Nils is shooting Canik, I was shooting a Glock as usual.

The match itself was one of the hardest matches I've ever shot and definitely seemed to be setup for carry optics. 40-50 yd target on one stage with a 30 yd upper 1/3/head shot on same stage, multiple stages with double swingers, one stage with 26 rounds avg target distance 20-30 yds and nothing closer than 18, one stage with a FU swinger and a bobber that you had to shoot through an 8" hole in a steel wall. The squad got hosed with infamous Frostproof sunrise as well and had a double swinger behind a steel wall directly below the rising sun. I saw the red fiber of my sight bloomed completely out and couldn't see anything behind it, complete blackout! I was lucky to go A/C, C/M on the two swingers, some guys had multiple misses on that array. The match was also full of 10 round arrays throughout with mini poppers and swingers in the mix, so there was very little room for error.

[Yung]

I don't know his reasons but I wonder if he cares anymore for that match or USPSA brand.

I haven't been paying much attention but from what little I have, I thought this was supposed to be the best year to sit out if you were ever going to sit out.

[PNWTO]

Pairing JJ up with a 92X is a thing of beauty. Of course that dude could stomp with a PMR-30 but still...

[jetfire]

Haven’t been following closely in a few years, if this surprises me? Any reason given for skipping?

I asked him, and he said "I kinda lost interest"

That's a direct quote

[Xhado]

With IPSC Worlds being pushed to '21, does '20 nats count towards Worlds '24?

[Gio]

With IPSC Worlds being pushed to '21, does '20 nats count towards Worlds '24?

I don't think so. I would imagine '22 and '23 Nationals will count for World Shoot 2024.

[JCS]

#24 in CO at just under 84% is a kid who shot up from a C class to a GM in a matter of few months and is competing with a Glock 26, just because. He should be fun to watch over next few years.

Max has been totally dominant in this division. I think it is four in a row and nobody else has won CO title?

This him? https://youtu.be/LHe81qKET2k

I feel like this video is worthy of it’s own thread. The stuff about grip on the small gun is interesting. Dude is trying to win worlds with a Glock 26. Just wow!

[RJ]

This him? https://youtu.be/LHe81qKET2k

I feel like this video is worthy of it’s own thread. The stuff about grip on the small gun is interesting. Dude is trying to win worlds with a Glock 26. Just wow!

Wow is right. Guess I will keep my G19 lol.

[YVK]

This him? https://youtu.be/LHe81qKET2k

I feel like this video is worthy of it’s own thread. The stuff about grip on the small gun is interesting. Dude is trying to win worlds with a Glock 26. Just wow!

Yup. His training journal at the Enos is one of my favorite threads to follow. The guy certainly has his own mind and way about things. I totally agree about being able to let loose at the matches and treat them as training as well.

[JCS]

Yup. His training journal at the Enos is one of my favorite threads to follow. The guy certainly has his own mind and way about things. I totally agree about being able to let loose at the matches and treat them as training as well.

Based off that interview it seems like he just goes as fast as he can at the lower matches and doesn't care about points or scores but is able to dial it back at the major matches.

I'm curious if he took a similar approach to classification stages or if he dials it back a little on those as well?

[YVK]

Not sure. I think he puts his own unique thought process behind what he does. Reading his posts, some of it makes a lot of sense and some no sense at all to me, but he's surely fun to watch.

[wtturn]

Tyler Turner is on a glock

Glock 34 Gen5 to be precise. [emoji41]

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[feudist]

This him? https://youtu.be/LHe81qKET2k

I feel like this video is worthy of it’s own thread. The stuff about grip on the small gun is interesting. Dude is trying to win worlds with a Glock 26. Just wow!

"It allows me to see my weaknesses quicker, and from there I could improve faster" From C to GM in 2 and a half months?


https://i.giphy.com/3XR0chfiSTtAI.gif

[Gary1911A1]

Wow on his weak hand grip. I'll probably give that a try at my next range practice. I do wish he would of said what trigger work he's done to his 26.

[David S.]

Wow on his weak hand grip. I'll probably give that a try at my next range practice. I do wish he would of said what trigger work he's done to his 26.

THeHumbleMarksman

[THeHumbleMarksman]

Wow on his weak hand grip. I'll probably give that a try at my next range practice. I do wish he would of said what trigger work he's done to his 26.

His gun is basically stock - which is why we didn't talk about it. The fire control group is 100% stock. The only modifications are the Battleworks slide milling, removed front sight, undercut trigger guard slightly, and I think he stuck a piece of grip tape (rubberized) on the left grip panel.

He uses TTI base pads on G17 magazines. His ammo chronoed at 139 PF and he was shooting 4.2 grains of TG behind a coated bullet - which if you're familiar with the powder - is over max load (by a tenth).

He's not gaming the gun - he's trying to use it to get good.

[THeHumbleMarksman]

The match was pretty fun - it was my first nationals - I ended up at 60th @ 77% - which is my new high water mark against Max (75% previously). I finished 37/63 masters - so my prediction of being a lower tier master was smashed - I guess I'm a "middle tier" master finishing in the middle 1/3 of them.

I had two real high points - finishing 2nd on a stage (stage 5) and 4th on a stage (stage 4) - so I did beat Max on 3 stages (including stage 6 - where he rolled over and screwed it all the way up). The two stages I did so well on may well become classifiers - and if that's the case then that will elevate me a good piece toward G since they should be darn near - if not 100%. I shot the LTT RDO and it ran great.

The match was run pretty well - they didn't balance squads - which was a fail - because there were SO many activators and steel - the squad in front of us just had 8 people on it - they lost 1 through attrition - and reset took a while. The stage design definitely favored irons - and he set it up in such a way that all of the classic hicap / dot gun stuff was hard to do. You could blend position - if you like shooting 15 yard no shoot partials on the move. you could nail an activator sequence - if you don't mind swinging onto a 20 yard open target and a 10 yard no shoot partial. There were legitimate options to most stages so there were permutations of most plans that made sense.

I'd have hate to have shot this match as an iron sighted shooter - especially in low cap minor. I wouldn't be surprised if Production recedes further partially due to this match. To challenge the best dot shooters - it makes the matches darn near impossible for casual irons shooters. This match was proof. In CO the match had 22 Gs, 64 Ms in a field that started of 218. My crystal ball says that increasingly CO will replace Prod as the new guy division because at this point Prod guys are playing a different game from everybody else. In theory it's always been that way - but I think if they don't make it a 15 round division it will continue to slide in participation. As Open and CO continue to gain speed - you're going to see more volunteers who shoot dots drawing stages - and the stages will continue to get more and more challenging without a dot. My club is evidence of that - I'm Co-MD in charge of stages and I share responsibilities with an Open shooter. Our match has a LOT of shooting challenges meant to trip guys with dots - lots of hard cover and stretching distance on the bays.

My squad was filled with murderers - there were like 8 CO Masters, 2 A class, a B class CO guy then a random B class prod shooter. Our highest finisher was 24.

The stuff that could have been improved at the match - how is this not a match with ALL waterproof targets and pasters? If any match needed it - it's this one. They had them on moving targets - but they shouldn't have stopped there - resetting any of the target stacks was a pain in the rear with a bag on them. Not providing beer at the banquet for the competitors was dumb.

Max also posted this picture of him holding the trophy with his gun on like he was at the awards ceremony - he wasn't - which means before he was done shooting he posed for a photo op with the cup. Kind of weird.

[feudist]

His gun is basically stock - which is why we didn't talk about it. The fire control group is 100% stock. The only modifications are the Battleworks slide milling, removed front sight, undercut trigger guard slightly, and I think he stuck a piece of grip tape (rubberized) on the left grip panel.

He uses TTI base pads on G17 magazines. His ammo chronoed at 139 PF and he was shooting 4.2 grains of TG behind a coated bullet - which if you're familiar with the powder - is over max load (by a tenth).

He's not gaming the gun - he's trying to use it to get good.

I went to BENOS and read his training diary. He definitely thinks out of the box. Actually, the box is a zip code or two away.

He is attacking a vertical learning curve. I found his reasoning compelling in a "Take no prisoners" way.

He certainly gave me something to think about in my own training.

[feudist]

Maybe we should get a thread split on this cat? It would be interesting to hear others take on his training approach as a learning strategy.

I'd advise reading his 3 page diary on Brian Enos' site.

[Gio]

I'd have hate to have shot this match as an iron sighted shooter - especially in low cap minor. I wouldn't be surprised if Production recedes further partially due to this match. To challenge the best dot shooters - it makes the matches darn near impossible for casual irons shooters. This match was proof. In CO the match had 22 Gs, 64 Ms in a field that started of 218. My crystal ball says that increasingly CO will replace Prod as the new guy division because at this point Prod guys are playing a different game from everybody else. In theory it's always been that way - but I think if they don't make it a 15 round division it will continue to slide in participation. As Open and CO continue to gain speed - you're going to see more volunteers who shoot dots drawing stages - and the stages will continue to get more and more challenging without a dot. My club is evidence of that - I'm Co-MD in charge of stages and I share responsibilities with an Open shooter. Our match has a LOT of shooting challenges meant to trip guys with dots - lots of hard cover and stretching distance on the bays.


I can confirm this. Honestly, this match was quite tough to shoot in production, but I felt it would have been reasonable with a dot and hi cap mags. In addition to what you highlighted about the target and array difficulty, I felt like I was going to a planned 10 rounds on multiple positions on nearly every stage. There was almost never more than 1 extra round for any position, which frequently included the difficult target presentations, mini poppers at a decent distance, or something else to trip you up. I have already seen a decline in production friendly stage design at locals due to the influx of PCC and CO, and having a nationals like this isn't going to help.

Another thing that doesn't help with the growing production and CO participation disparity is how easy they made the classification hit factors for CO. For everything but the 19 series classifiers, they made CO high hit factors identical to production, which is crazy. It's much easier to shoot faster with good points with a dot, not to mention classifiers like 99-10 that would require a reload in production but don't in CO. Production still has a tremendous amount of heat at the top, but the middle to lower tiers of shooters are fleeing the division en masse.

[Eyesquared]

"It allows me to see my weaknesses quicker, and from there I could improve faster" From C to GM in 2 and a half months?


https://i.giphy.com/3XR0chfiSTtAI.gif

He did post a stage video in July and while he may have officially been classified as a C class shooter, he definitely wasn't shooting like one. If I had seen the video without any context I would have guessed high A or M class.

[THeHumbleMarksman]

I can confirm this. Honestly, this match was quite tough to shoot in production, but I felt it would have been reasonable with a dot and hi cap mags. In addition to what you highlighted about the target and array difficulty, I felt like I was going to a planned 10 rounds on multiple positions on nearly every stage. There was almost never more than 1 extra round for any position, which frequently included the difficult target presentations, mini poppers at a decent distance, or something else to trip you up. I have already seen a decline in production friendly stage design at locals due to the influx of PCC and CO, and having a nationals like this isn't going to help.

Another thing that doesn't help with the growing production and CO participation disparity is how easy they made the classification hit factors for CO. For everything but the 19 series classifiers, they made CO high hit factors identical to production, which is crazy. It's much easier to shoot faster with good points with a dot, not to mention classifiers like 99-10 that would require a reload in production but don't in CO. Production still has a tremendous amount of heat at the top, but the middle to lower tiers of shooters are fleeing the division en masse.

Eh - I'm not sure I buy that on the CO HF being out of line and "easy" (excepting the 18 series - where they adopted the PRD classifiers from that nationals since there wasn't enough G's shooting the classifiers). Generally the hitfactors for CO are the same as prod with the exception of the 19 series classifiers where they were mined from nationals. Example - Ticktock Prod HHF - 10.5911 CO HHF - 10.5911 El Prez Prod HHF - 11.6423 CO HHF - 11.6423 - Those aren't any easier or harder with irons vs. a dot gun because at those speeds you're shooting to an index effectively. you can make the argument on like Six in Six challenge the dot should have an advantage - sure.

What you really should be saying is production was the easiest division to make GM in pre-18 update to the classification system. in most cases the production hit factors came up to what the CO hit factors were. I got my M card the end of 17 and I wasn't as good as I am now and I just cracked M in CO recently. I don't say that as an ego defense mechanism either - objectively pre-18 production was easier to shoot good classifiers on.

Regarding heat in production - yes there are some very talented dudes still shooting it - but largely it's being overshadowed by CO in a significant way. Example - look how far down the list you have to get to drop below 80%. It's generally agreed above 80% at an area match or nationals match is pretty darn good - and in CO you make it all the way down to 43 before dropping that - and that's with an outlier highwater mark in Max Michel - even Ben is not as dominant in Irons at his national wins - when he stomps the competition are like 2-3% but Max is generally 5% from 1 to 2 with Max is at the top. Production drops below 80% at just 18 - and adjusting for participation - 21% of the CO field is finishing 80%+ while Prod is 12% of the field finishing above 80%. None of that is said to diminish anybody's achievement or division superiority or any of that - it's just throwing stats at opinions.

I wrote a post over on my blog when the new hit factors went live in 18 that I'll post here to give you a flavor. The summary - is production got harder and CO was made easier - to be in line with production. Limited and Open were not hammered near as hard as Production was with the classifier updates. I can't get the graphics to come through but the body of the text does a good enough job illustrating the point I think :

New High Hit Factors for Production and Carry Optics
At the last match I shot I had the distinct pleasure of watching a low M class score on Pucker factor drop to a high A score once the database roll went through on the USPSA website. I similarly heard some guys on the net have similar issues. So I picked 10 classifiers that seem pretty common and more popular to try and score well on and analyzed where the HHF is now versus where it was (lifted from the AZ Shooters app). I learned a few things in the process. The first is that USPSA will only let you use the classifier calculator 20 times in an hour, and that's lame. As for the Production hit factors...

Well - first I suppose I should explain my methodology. Using the almighty power of Excel and division - I took all the old HHFs off AZ shooters app (AZS) - punched them into USPSA Classifier Calc (USPSACC). Whatever percentage it spit out I would plug into my spreadsheet, divide the old score by the new to get the new HHF. If something came back at 100% I would divide the stated GM score by .95 to get the new HHF and then figure out that percentage if you shot the old HHF on the new classifier scoring - yes some classifiers were made easier - but generally only for Carry Optics - because those hit factors were cartoonishly hard in some cases (meaning why would Tick Tock have a higher hit factor in CO versus Prod? Doesn't make sense - so they fixed it).

https://www.patreon.com/file?h=19870022&i=2364642

So Production - the average HHF was coming in at approximately 93% - when taken across the sample. In a lot of ways - I agree with some of the changes. Melody Line was very easy to shoot 100% of (he says having never shot Melody Line live in a match). I was noticing that the HHF's in Carry optics were about 10% higher than Production - which didn't seem right on a lot of the classifiers, so lets talk about Carry Optics.

https://www.patreon.com/file?h=19870022&i=2364813

In Carry Optics - several of the "easy ones" were appropriately adjusted down - but several of the hoser ones were adjusted to make them easier. Specifically - Front Sight and Tick Tock had their hit factors relaxed. That makes sense - as both of those classifiers are shooting at ranges where the dot is potentially a liability more than an asset and both divisions are minor only.
https://www.patreon.com/file?h=19870022&i=2364823
What I found EXTREMELY interesting is Production and Carry Optics are now basically analogs - the exception being that classifiers that require shooting at partials CO has to go faster - which is fair since the dot makes shooting partials a little easier - emphasis on little. Largely - CO and Production have the same hit factors now.

How will all of this affect the sport? I think grand masters under the new system are less likely to be as "papery" as the old ones. I think for someone, like me, attempting to make GM - the bar has been raised and that's a little frustrating - but at the same time - I knew a lot of those classifiers were "too easy". I'll keep doing what I do - Carry Optics was already "hard" to make GM - I think Production has made it appropriately hard.

[Clusterfrack]

Yep. Same boat, dude. Production HHFs are doable, but most are way harder now. It’s made making G a major achievement, and it will take some more work and more rolls of the dice, at least for me.

[cheby]

Yep. Same boat, dude. Production HHFs are doable, but most are way harder now. It’s made making G a major achievement, and it will take some more work and more rolls of the dice, at least for me.

I want to be able to shoot M-classifiers on demand before I can start thinking of GM card.

[YVK]

Maybe we should get a thread split on this cat? It would be interesting to hear others take on his training approach as a learning strategy.

Going balls to the wall is something that makes sense to me, and something that I do at times as evidenced

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bee8YOXTTAc

The stage required 3 per target, those were metric / IPSC targets, some no shoots, and I went pretty much as fast as I could for each target difficulty without point shooting or shooting in a general direction. The result was 4 mikes, trigger freeze, and my expected place in that match lost just on this stage. Point is, I thinks it has merits and I do this.

Three main things / concerns that I have are:

- You have to be able see your mistakes, identify them correctly, prioritize them correctly, and come up with right solutions. If your analysis is wrong, you're going to waste a lot of time and ammo for nothing.

- To do that ^^^ you have to be past some level of proficiency. When I sucked terribly in shooting and tried "just go fast", everything fell apart, literally everything. It was impossible to come up with any meaningful output from this and I had to go back to "let's see if I can hit 2 As in a match". Once I started to call my shots more or less most of the time and be a little more confident in my fundamentals, then going above my abilities started to yield decent info.

- You have to do this for a decent stretches of time, not just once in a while. You want to ID the patterns of your mistakes, and for patterns you need to look at multiple reps.

- He says that drills have near zero utility for him. It is absolutely not the case for me. I also get a huge benefit from setting up mini-stages or fragments of stages but certain drills are my cornerstones. My analogy are my other sports. If I want to get my forehand to be a weapon, I need hit a metric ton of them in practice so it is nearly automatic in a match. If I don't want to get 4 mikes on a stage, I need to shoot a ton of doubles and maybe triples in practice. If I don't want to overswing on transitions in a match, more of the same in practice. Etc. That's my take on it.

[RJ]

I went to BENOS and read his training diary. He definitely thinks out of the box. Actually, the box is a zip code or two away.

He is attacking a vertical learning curve. I found his reasoning compelling in a "Take no prisoners" way.

He certainly gave me something to think about in my own training.

Me too. That is a fascinating read. With a G26, too. Geez.

One thing I noted was the mention of fitness, and being ready for the challenge from a physical perspective. That really resonated with me, as one of the cornerstones of my approach to finally get going this year was realizing I need to make progress on diet and exercise. I think a lot of me doing (relatively) better in matches this season is that I feel much better conditioned for match conditions.

Another was mention of footwear, Nike cleats. Might be a small thing, but this past weekend I switched to a pair of boots with much more aggressive soles (not cleats tho), and it seemed to help a lot with providing a more stable shooting platform.

But yeah. C class to GM in less than a year. Wowsers.

[cheby]

Ben Stoeger initial classification was GM after his 1st match. It was a classifier match.

[dsa]

Ben Stoeger initial classification was GM after his 1st match. It was a classifier match.

He also practiced for this match for 6 months doing nothing but breaking down classifiers and what one needed to do to obtain a GM HF.

[cheby]

He also practiced for this match for 6 months doing nothing but breaking down classifiers and what one needed to do to obtain a GM HF.

More importantly, he was already a very good shooter before coming to USPSA. That is the whole point. There are some guys who progressed very quickly in USPSA. There are many reasons for that but the one is they were already very good. I have met quite a few people like that who came to the sport from different but related disciplines. If Ben was really new, he'd not make it in 6 months.

[dsa]

More importantly, he was already a very good shooter before coming to USPSA. That is the whole point. There are some guys who progressed very quickly in USPSA. There are many reasons for that but the one is they were already very good. I have met quite a few people like that who came to the sport from different but related disciplines. If Ben was really new, he'd not make it in 6 months.
I completely agree. It probably doesn't hurt that he is so obsessively driven.

[Sal Picante]

Ben Stoeger initial classification was GM after his 1st match. It was a classifier match.


He also practiced for this match for 6 months doing nothing but breaking down classifiers and what one needed to do to obtain a GM HF.


More importantly, he was already a very good shooter before coming to USPSA. That is the whole point. There are some guys who progressed very quickly in USPSA. There are many reasons for that but the one is they were already very good. I have met quite a few people like that who came to the sport from different but related disciplines. If Ben was really new, he'd not make it in 6 months.


I completely agree. It probably doesn't hurt that he is so obsessively driven.

We're all different.
Your trip is your own.
Enjoy the ride.

p/B3vY0pEJTZg

[feudist]

He wrote that he is now switching to left hand.

wat.

[foxj66]

I can confirm this. Honestly, this match was quite tough to shoot in production, but I felt it would have been reasonable with a dot and hi cap mags. In addition to what you highlighted about the target and array difficulty, I felt like I was going to a planned 10 rounds on multiple positions on nearly every stage. There was almost never more than 1 extra round for any position, which frequently included the difficult target presentations, mini poppers at a decent distance, or something else to trip you up. I have already seen a decline in production friendly stage design at locals due to the influx of PCC and CO, and having a nationals like this isn't going to help.

Another thing that doesn't help with the growing production and CO participation disparity is how easy they made the classification hit factors for CO. For everything but the 19 series classifiers, they made CO high hit factors identical to production, which is crazy. It's much easier to shoot faster with good points with a dot, not to mention classifiers like 99-10 that would require a reload in production but don't in CO. Production still has a tremendous amount of heat at the top, but the middle to lower tiers of shooters are fleeing the division en masse.

It was a very tough match, I think just looking at the percentage of points shot for the top finishers in production shows how hard it was.

Also moving production so early in the year next year is probably going to make it like single stack at area and section matches.

[foxj66]

Looks like Jacob Hetherington (AMU) won Production and Max Michel won CO!
Congrats to Gio for a top-10 finish (#10). Most excellent!
https://practiscore.com/results/new/120572?q_division=0


Name
1-Hetherington, Jacob (Tanfo) 100%
2-Lane, Mason (Sig) 99
3-Luna, Sal (CZ) 96%
4-Racaza, Simon joseph (Beretta 92XPerf) 95%
5-Jonasson, Nils (Glock) 95%
6-Reed, Casey (Tanfo) 90%
7-Strader, Phil (Sig) 90%
8-Turner, Tyler 88%
9-Coley, Shane (Glock) 87%
10-Giovannini, Brian 86%
11-Scott, Chris 86%
12-Dupuy, Bryce (CZ) 85%
13-Lutman, Stephen(CZ) 81%
14-Fox, Jared(CZ) 81%
15-Singleton, Garran (CZ) 80%
16-Maskey, Russell (CZ) 80%


In CO,

Name
1-Michel, Max (Sig) 100%
2-Bradley, Jason (Canik) 94%
3-Kim, Hwansik (Walther) 91%
4-Griffith, Sean 90%
5-Beal, Jay 2 (Glock) 90%
6-Gries, Lane 2 (CZ P10F) 90%
7-Emrich, Jeff 90%
8-Eusebio, Kc 90%
9-Ariss, Austin 89%
10-Vlieger, John (CZ) 89%
11-Mccamish, Travis 89%
12-Cao, Luke 2 87%
13-Nelson, Brian 87%
14-Walden, Nick 87%
15-Ferrer, Justin 86%
16-Castro, Tom (Canik) 86%

Added the ones I know in Red

[Gio]

Added the ones I know in Red

Sean Griffith is also shooting a CZ.

[Xhado]

Straight from the horse's mouth on why Ben wasn't at nationals this year.


https://youtu.be/6KJa1AtCxS8?t=437
Skip to 7:08


TLDW: He takes the game too seriously to put up with the quality of officiating.