Browning Hi Power

[Soxfan9]

Stopped in a shop yesterday with zero expectations. I found this in the case, a rare bird in Massachusetts due to our “consumer protection” handgun restrictions. It’s a T series to boot! Grabbed it for a good price.

These have always been a favorite of mine, despite the less than perfect safety and trigger. Somewhat surprisingly, in an IWB leather holster it feels more comfortable and conceals better than a G19.

I need to find some preban magazines for it, and will probably remove the magazine safety. Other than that, I will enjoy this one as is.

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[MattyD380]

Beautiful. I love my MKIII. Not just for nostalgic reasons... it’s a great shooting gun.

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Sterrett grips courtesy of OlongJohnson.

[Tokarev]

Stopped in a shop yesterday with zero expectations. I found this in the case, a rare bird in Massachusetts due to our “consumer protection” handgun restrictions. It’s a T series to boot! Grabbed it for a good price.

These have always been a favorite of mine, despite the less than perfect safety and trigger. Somewhat surprisingly, in an IWB leather holster it feels more comfortable and conceals better than a G19.

I need to find some preban magazines for it, and will probably remove the magazine safety. Other than that, I will enjoy this one as is.

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A clean solid example of a classic fighting gun.

[pangloss]

With BHP mags, how do you tell pre-ban from post-ban?

[OlongJohnson]

I need to find some preban magazines for it...

Do they have to be in MA already, or can non-ban-marked standard caps still be imported?


Beautiful. I love my MKIII. Not just for nostalgic reasons... it’s a great shooting gun.

Sterrett grips courtesy of OlongJohnson.

Herrett's. :)

Starrett makes nice stuff, too (headquartered in Athol, MA), but I'm not aware of them making handgun stocks.

[Soxfan9]

Do they have to be in MA already, or can non-ban-marked standard caps still be imported?



Herrett's. :)

Starrett makes nice stuff, too (headquartered in Athol, MA), but I'm not aware of them making handgun stocks.

We can import. Non ban marked standard caps are ok. Mainly need to avoid obviously new stuff or things that weren’t around pre 94.

[MattyD380]

Do they have to be in MA already, or can non-ban-marked standard caps still be imported?



Herrett's. :)

Starrett makes nice stuff, too (headquartered in Athol, MA), but I'm not aware of them making handgun stocks.

Haha. That’s what I meant. There’s a street near me called Sterrett. Early onset dementia.

Either way... they look and feel awesome. Thanks.

[Pyromancer]

Ok. Where in Mass did you find that beauty? Collectors in Stoneham?

[Soxfan9]

Ok. Where in Mass did you find that beauty? Collectors in Stoneham?

Gunrunner in Middleboro.

[Ed4032]

That’s a really beautiful gun.

[lwt16]

Paging JonInWA

He may have magazine info/insight.

Beautiful pistol.

Regards.

[JonInWA]

Magnificent Hi Power-great find.

For magazines, go with Mec-Gar new production. They're at a decent price, from a reputable manufacturer (Mec-Gar is actually one of the OEM producers for FN and for the Hi Power when it was in production), and you won't have to worry about worn springs or spread feed lips.

BH Spring Solutions has them, including the 10 round 9mm ones: https://bhspringsolutions.com/index.php/product-category/shop-by-department/magazines/hi-power-magazines/

On a used gun there's a lot to be said for having it go through a total re-springing. It's not very expensive, and, other than on some of the trigger components, it's relatively easily done.

Again, check out BH Spring Solution for suggestions-and they have a superb collection of YouTube videos that'll walk you through the processes.

https://bhspringsolutions.com/

I've had a series of fairly extensive threads here on p-f you might want to read throught that might be helpful.

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?39835-The-FN-Browning-High-Power-Revisited-Part-One

The Hi Power is a surprisingly ergonomic, and very reliable pistol.

A website well worth perusing is the late Stephen Camp's, https://hipowersandhandguns.com/ His widow is maintaining it.

His book, "The Shooter's Guide To The Browning Hi Power" I HIGHLY recommend-it's a superb user guide, and very well-written. Stephen's early passing shortly after his LEO retirement was a loss to the shooting and LEO communities.

https://hipowersandhandguns.com/RHP%20Ad%20Page.htm

You've got some great Hi Power/High Power (you'll understand the difference in nomenclature shortly...) expereince here on p-f, feel free to follow up with any questions.

Here's mine in it's current incarnation:

https://i.imgur.com/L0AGFuEh.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/z8gPsbNh.jpg

Best, Jon

[tango-papa]

Congratulations- that's a beautiful Hi Power.

[Soxfan9]

Magnificent Hi Power-great find.

For magazines, go with Mec-Gar new production. They're at a decent price, from a reputable manufacturer (Mec-Gar is actually one of the OEM producers for FN and for the Hi Power when it was in production), and you won't have to worry about worn springs or spread feed lips.

BH Spring Solutions has them, including the 10 round 9mm ones: https://bhspringsolutions.com/index.php/product-category/shop-by-department/magazines/hi-power-magazines/

On a used gun there's a lot to be said for having it go through a total re-springing. It's not very expensive, and, other than on some of the trigger components, it's relatively easily done.

Again, check out BH Spring Solution for suggestions-and they have a superb collection of YouTube videos that'll walk you through the processes.

https://bhspringsolutions.com/

I've had a series of fairly extensive threads here on p-f you might want to read throught that might be helpful.

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?39835-The-FN-Browning-High-Power-Revisited-Part-One

The Hi Power is a surprisingly ergonomic, and very reliable pistol.

A website well worth perusing is the late Stephen Camp's, https://hipowersandhandguns.com/ His widow is maintaining it.

His book, "The Shooter's Guide To The Browning Hi Power" I HIGHLY recommend-it's a superb user guide, and very well-written. Stephen's early passing shortly after his LEO retirement was a loss to the shooting and LEO communities.

https://hipowersandhandguns.com/RHP%20Ad%20Page.htm

You've got some great Hi Power/High Power (you'll understand the difference in nomenclature shortly...) expereince here on p-f, feel free to follow up with any questions.

Here's mine in it's current incarnation:

https://i.imgur.com/L0AGFuEh.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/z8gPsbNh.jpg

Best, Jon

Thanks for the info Jon. I have a lot of reading to do. Beautiful pistols by the way.

[Borderland]

Nice Pistol.

Probably the best collector pistol out there right now as production just ended and military history exceeds the 1911 if you consider non US military pistols. I'm always looking for a good deal on a classic firearm. My local Cabela's had some a few years back but they were all mil surplus and very rough. The prices were all over 1K so I just passed.

Looks like you found a gem.

[Chuck Whitlock]

Great find! Congratulations!

I'm a fan:
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....... Somewhat surprisingly, in an IWB leather holster it feels more comfortable and conceals better than a G19.

No surprise at all. That BHP slide is svelte, thin, and tapered. Particularly compared to the square block of a Glock slide.
Rides well in a Kramer pancake, too.

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[Suvorov]

Beautiful pistol! I have always wanted a T-series pistol. The BHP was my very first handgun and will always occupy a special place in my memory.

As far as magazines go, my 1991 vintage MK3 came with 13 rnd factory mags made by MecGar. I also purchased a few of the 15 round MecGars and a handful of Argentine FMs. I know some of the newer magazines have a little mousetrap spring to help eject the mag during mag changes. If forced to buy new 10 rounders - I would look into those.

[Lon]

Nice score. Learned how to shoot with a T series, so it’s always been one of my favorites.

[03RN]

Gunrunner in Middleboro.

Are they new? I used to work at Highpoint. I didn't know there was a shop in town.

Beautiful gun

[Soxfan9]

Are they new? I used to work at Highpoint. I didn't know there was a shop in town.

Beautiful gun

I think it’s been there for a while, but it was my first time in. Worth an occasional visit.

[Boxy]

I would speculate Browning will restart production again after pent up demand and interest create a higher profit margin. Everyone wants one now that they are not being produced.

If I recall correctly, in the late 90s Colt was to stop production of 1911 pistols and folks were mining for Colts as they were to be extinct.

[JonInWA]

I would speculate Browning will restart production again after pent up demand and interest create a higher profit margin. Everyone wants one now that they are not being produced.

If I recall correctly, in the late 90s Colt was to stop production of 1911 pistols and folks were mining for Colts as they were to be extinct.

While I'd like to see it happen, I'm pretty skeptical. While the High Power is a great gun, there are some limitations to it, although those are being steadily whittled away by aftermarket specialists like BH Spring Solutions and others. While it's true that Colt has seemingly done well with their Series 70 1911s, their product base has been significantly oriented around the 1911, while FN/Brownings has moved steadily away from the High Power since the 1980s. Plus Colt seems to perpetually teeter on the edge of bankruptcy, so I'm not sure how good of a paradigm they are to cite.

One of the main limitations is price. For the years leading up to its demise, the basic MK III High Powers were priced at $1,000+, and the Standard model with its high polished blue finish and wood grips was around $1,200 as I recall, and there wasn't a huge demand for them; I believe that FN was only producing 1,000 to 2,000 of them annually. An all-metal forged and cast pistol is simply fairly resource intensive, especially when compared to polymer-frame competitors, such as Glock and HK. To make a suitable profit, a manufacturer either needs to pass the cost on to the consumer, or subsidize it through other sales (which in the long run probably isn't a particularly viable business model, nor one likely to be approved by boards and shareholders).

Another aspect is FN resourcing; I've heard that the machinery used to manufacture the High Powers over decades had deteriorated, so there would likely need to be some rebuilding, or totally new replacement machinery made.

And then there's the possibility of a more restricted market, especially if significant magazine limitation laws are actually enacted. That might prove to be a poison pill regarding 9mm production (although resurrected a 10-round .40 might be possible and attractive in such a market).

I can envision a dual High Power product line: A "Classic" model, and a "Modernized/Upgraded" model. The Classic would likely be the MK III/Standard, while the Modernized/Upgraded could incorporate contemporary features such as a larger magwell, modified hammer/action options (e.g. bobbed, SFS), sight options, beavertail options, frontstrap checkering/stippling, more aggressive dehorning, and various finish options. Different metals or alloys could be offered as well for frames.

But it would be expensive, particularly compared to other contemporary offerings, and I think that it would appeal to a very small market niche. A discerning one, no doubt, but still likely a very small niche....

Best, Jon

[Suvorov]

Boxy JonInWA

Agreed on most points John, and FN really seems not so interested in the collectors market. There are the Turkish guns on the market now and I wonder if FM and FEG still have the tooling? Didn’t IMI also produce HP clones?

Can one of these Turkish guns be turned into a decent shooter?

Collectibility of the Browning or FN roll stamps aside, it seems there are ways to fill the demand for HPs.

[Boxy]

Boxy @JohninWA

Agreed on most points John, and FN really seems not so interested in the collectors market. There are the Turkish guns on the market now and I wonder if FM and FEG still have the tooling? Didn’t IMI also produce HP clones?

Can one of these Turkish guns be turned into a decent shooter?

Collectibility of the Browning or FN roll stamps aside, it seems there are ways to fill the demand for HPs.




Cylinder & Slide seem to be in favor of using the Turkish Tisas guns as base guns to upgrade.

https://cylinder-slide.com/Category/Tisas

[Shades]

Stopped in a shop yesterday with zero expectations. I found this in the case, a rare bird in Massachusetts due to our “consumer protection” handgun restrictions. It’s a T series to boot! Grabbed it for a good price.

These have always been a favorite of mine, despite the less than perfect safety and trigger. Somewhat surprisingly, in an IWB leather holster it feels more comfortable and conceals better than a G19.

I need to find some preban magazines for it, and will probably remove the magazine safety. Other than that, I will enjoy this one as is.

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Congratulations! Beautiful pistol. The first center fire pistol I ever shot was a BHP and I also got to carry one just like yours around one of the Middle East's darker spots back in the mid-80s. They do carry and conceal well compared to other similar-sized pistols. Enjoy it.

[OlongJohnson]

I'd be interested in a Hi-Power II. Modernize it. Make the frame more robust without gaining weight. Simplify the machining. Consider using aluminum if that could be done without having to make the whole thing big like a Sig. Get rid of the brazed parts, so it could be given a modern metal finish like some kind of FNC, eliminating corrosion issues. Update the trigger design; get rid of the magazine disconnect or come up with a design that doesn't inherently make the trigger press feel like crushing vermiculite. Make action parts from European MIM, designed from the beginning to be MIM like HK so they don't break ever and are slick and smooth like the best S&W MIM. Come up with a hammer design that doesn't need a beavertail to not bite, or give it just enough of a beavertail to do the job and no more. Keep the ergos, keep backward magazine compatibility, but offer it with improved/a variety of different sights. Update the grip designs and work with Hogue to knock out some nice G10 designs. Keep Nils Griffe far away from the whole project, please.

You know, as long as they'd have to retool to bring back production.

[JonInWA]

I'll defer to those who actually have hands-on experience with the Turkish Tisas Hi Powers. From what I've read, as I recall, there can be some suspect metellurgy and small parts. I'm additionally not sure if all dimensions accurately reflect the FN blueprint. At this point, should I purchase one, I'd probably completely replace all springs and pins with FN/Browning components and/or BH Spring Solutions springs/components. I'd also use it solely as a range/game gun, not for serious defensive carry, until I was more confident and comfortable about the basic metallurgy and manufacturing.

The FEG and FM guns are a more proven platform, but be aware that there are FEGs and FEGs-some are viable Hi Power clones, some are more like Smith & Wesson 3900/5900 series clones. Some of the FM's as I recall also deviated from the FN blueprint, but I believe that their deviations are more aesthetic, such as their slide configurations and the inclusion of compact versions. I believe the Israeli Kareens are essentially FEGs.

Arcus 94s seem to be pretty proven, and that's where BH Spring Solutions has their roots, so I'd probably put them on the same, or slightly higher level of operational desirability as an FEG.

At the end of the day, I'd trust a post 1994 Mark III cast-frame FN production piece (regardless as to being rollmarked FN or Browning) over the clones. Since you're looking (at least in my opinion) towards having to re-spring and re-componitize as Tisas from the get-go, and still have potentially suspect material integrity, I find it hard to recommmend them at this point over a decent condition used FN/Browning piece.

At any rate, as with any used gun, make a hard-headed objective analysis for the initial condition and eventual goal and resources needed for what you're getting.

Best, Jon

[Wondering Beard]

While I'd like to see the Hi Power make a come back, the modern Hi Power is, nowadays, manufactured by CZ.

[feudist]

While I'd like to see the Hi Power make a come back, the modern Hi Power is, nowadays, manufactured by CZ.
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Are the lighter CZ 75s suitable for EDC?

I've seen quite a few reviews and comments like "I wouldn't carry it because it's too heavy". Which is odd because 1911s weigh more . and people swear they carry them 24/7.

[Joe in PNG]

Here's mine:

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Midway had some old Inglis production 13 rounders, but those appear to be gone now.

[revchuck38]

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Are the lighter CZ 75s suitable for EDC?

I've seen quite a few reviews and comments like "I wouldn't carry it because it's too heavy". Which is odd because 1911s weigh more . and people swear they carry them 24/7.

I've carried my steel-framed versions with no problems, and still might be were they the decocker versions. Then again I'm comfortable carrying 4" N frames and 1911s.

[Suvorov]

Here's mine:

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Midway had some old Inglis production 13 rounders, but those appear to be gone now.

That’s a nice HP!

Too bad those Inglis disappeared - they were highly sought after for a long time.

[Chuck Whitlock]

At the end of the day, I'd trust a post 1994 Mark III cast-frame FN production piece (regardless as to being rollmarked FN or Browning) over the clones. Since you're looking (at least in my opinion) towards having to re-spring and re-componitize as Tisas from the get-go, and still have potentially suspect material integrity, I find it hard to recommend them at this point over a decent condition used FN/Browning piece.

While I concur with this, what piques my interest in the Tisas is the stainless steel offering.

[Joe in PNG]

That’s a nice HP!

Too bad those Inglis disappeared - they were highly sought after for a long time.

I picked up a couple a couple of months ago, and am glad I did.

[entropy]

My humble submission:


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[Lex Luthier]

A HP is the one pistol I've sold that I would gladly buy back. Mine was a 1994 Mk III .40 in hard chrome with the adjustable sights.

[entropy]

Never had nor shot a .40. It’s certainly on my short list however. There was a time that they were fairly common place. No longer. A few months back, took the youngest son out shooting. Neither of my boys has the passion that I do, but the smile on his face after shooting the previously posted BHP was telling. Well...my interest in things didn’t begin until my mid-late 20s so...

[MattyD380]

Never had nor shot a .40. It’s certainly on my short list however. There was a time that they were fairly common place. No longer. A few months back, took the youngest son out shooting. Neither of my boys has the passion that I do, but the smile on his face after shooting the previously posted BHP was telling. Well...my interest in things didn’t begin until my mid-late 20s so...

Beautiful gun. Looks functional, yet elegant--which it is both, no doubt. I like the Novak sights. I'd like to get those on my MKIII at some point.

I have a similar experience with my fiancee and my BHP. She loves the thing. Only wants to shoot that. Can't say I blame her.

[FrankB]

My wife and I watched McQ last night. John Wayne turned in his Python, had his snubnose Python taken, and then bought a Browning Hi Power. 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

[revchuck38]

My wife and I watched McQ last night. John Wayne turned in his Python, had his snubnose Python taken, and then bought a Browning Hi Power. 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

Then there's Serpico, where he goes into a gun store and buys a BHP. Going from memory, the dialogue went, "What do you need all that ammo for, you going to take on an army?" "No, just a division."

[FrankB]

Then there's Serpico, where he goes into a gun store and buys a BHP. Going from memory, the dialogue went, "What do you need all that ammo for, you going to take on an army?" "No, just a division."

I haven’t seen Serpico in years, but that’s great! John Wayne certainly emptied his Hi Power in the movie. My wife is a shooter, but wasn’t familiar with the Hi Power. That’s been taken care of. 👍

[Wondering Beard]

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Are the lighter CZ 75s suitable for EDC?

I've seen quite a few reviews and comments like "I wouldn't carry it because it's too heavy". Which is odd because 1911s weigh more . and people swear they carry them 24/7.

I don't own any CZs, only handled them at the LGS, so insert caveat here.

You are correct, if you can handle the weight of a 1911 for carry, the CZ 75 and variants won't be a problem (if they are talking about a Shadow2, I have no idea but that thing does look heavy). They are also slimmer, like the Hi power (which I did carry for a short while) and thus should be a bit easier to conceal.

Finally, the polymer versions (P-O7 etc...) look like the natural modern evolution of the CZ 75 and they aren't any more heavy to carry than a Glock.

I'm heavily invested in Glocks and, with our present weapon drought, I'm not looking to try CZs, but, were our situation different, I'd certainly give them a hard look.

[Soxfan9]

My humble submission:


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That maintains the look perfectly and appears to be very practical. How do you like that safety and those sites?

[entropy]

Both the safety and the sights are a bit of “an acquired taste”.

The safety is an original and like most, a bit on the mushy side. IIRC, I enlarged the capture hole for the spring, increased it’s weight a bit, and also enlarged the corresponding detent a bit. This was a number of years back. The sights are quick. At one point, I toyed with the idea of putting a gold bead in place of the fiber optic. This was before I frequented the reading glasses display at the drug store. Now I think they are near perfect.

I strayed away from the BHP for a number of years, onto revolvers as EDC. I’m still there, but the Browning is certainly something I could feel comfortable going back to. It just “feels” right and carries even better.

[NIU2009]

I would speculate Browning will restart production again after pent up demand and interest create a higher profit margin. Everyone wants one now that they are not being produced.

If I recall correctly, in the late 90s Colt was to stop production of 1911 pistols and folks were mining for Colts as they were to be extinct.

Not going to happen. Even if they did, the price would be at least $1500, which would immediately limit the market and production. If someone could do what KBI did with FEG and the Charles Daly HPs, plus a few minor tweaks to account for the last 12 years and what owners are having done for custom work (some type of gripping feature on front/back strap, different sights, etc.), I don't think they'd have any problem selling them at $800-850. Not sure if that's worth it, considering KBI was losing money selling them at $350-400 12 years ago.

OP - great find. I've just gotten back into HPs and I kind of went off the deep end. I have 1 at Nighthawk, 1 at Novak's, and an FEG at APW - all because years ago I stupidly sold an FN HP that Don Williams had worked on. Just picked up a Charles Daly, too, which will be my primary shooter.

If anyone wants to unload an FN marked HP like CDNN blew out years ago, you know where to find me.

[Rock185]

I've been a Hi Power fan since the '60s, had I don't even know how many. I carried and competed with a Hi Power, did the 250 class at Gunsite with one, etc. A svelte, reliable, handsome pistol, in my humble opinion.

Much as I admire Hi Powers, I sincerely doubt FN took them out of production, to reintroduce them later to take advantage of pent up demand. One can never say never, but I just don't see it in the current World of inexpensive, uber high capacity, polymer pistols. I still enjoy the three examples I have left, but don't see production being resumed by FN. In the US, undoubtedly the market with the highest civilian demand for pistols, from what I can see today's buyers want cheap, they want black or FDE, the want the highest possible capacity, they want rails for attachment of all manner of paraphernalia perceived as being the Tactikoolest on the block/at the range/among one's shooting buddies, etc;)

[HCM]

I've been a Hi Power fan since the '60s, had I don't even know how many. I carried and competed with a Hi Power, did the 250 class at Gunsite with one, etc. A svelte, reliable, handsome pistol, in my humble opinion.

Much as I admire Hi Powers, I sincerely doubt FN took them out of production, to reintroduce them later to take advantage of pent up demand. One can never say never, but I just don't see it in the current World of inexpensive, uber high capacity, polymer pistols. I still enjoy the three examples I have left, but don't see production being resumed by FN. In the US, undoubtedly the market with the highest civilian demand for pistols, from what I can see today's buyers want cheap, they want black or FDE, the want the highest possible capacity, they want rails for attachment of all manner of paraphernalia perceived as being the Tactikoolest on the block/at the range/among one's shooting buddies, etc;)

Don't forget, when I was a youngster, the BHP WAS the Tactikoolest gun with the highest possible capacity as used by the SAS and FBI HRT..... They were not cheap though....

[Joe in PNG]

I've just installed a C&S No Bite hammer on mine, and will try it out tomorrow.

[willie]

Some say that the older HP's metallurgy is not suited to withstand +p ammo and especially +p+. HP slides are fairly light. This fact is one reason that these pistols have a super heavy hammer spring which assists in retarding slide velocity. The op's pistol is valuable, and for this reason I would not alter it by removing the magazine safety. I have owned several HP's and had a nice one marred when a ham fisted person had great difficulty removing this safety mechanism. I fret that this might happen to the op's beautiful handgun.

[tango-papa]

And now I need a Hi Power, dammit.

What is a "good price" for one of the "T" or "C"" era/series pistols?

If those of you who know the HP were going to select one for a friend...?
A nice one, but not a "safe queen", that will be paired with a proper holster and actually get shot?

What would you pick out and why?

A Hi Power and a Beretta 92FS are on my short list to acquire within the next year or so.

[NIU2009]

Much as I admire Hi Powers, I sincerely doubt FN took them out of production, to reintroduce them later to take advantage of pent up demand. One can never say never, but I just don't see it in the current World of inexpensive, uber high capacity, polymer pistols. I still enjoy the three examples I have left, but don't see production being resumed by FN. In the US, undoubtedly the market with the highest civilian demand for pistols, from what I can see today's buyers want cheap, they want black or FDE, the want the highest possible capacity, they want rails for attachment of all manner of paraphernalia perceived as being the Tactikoolest on the block/at the range/among one's shooting buddies, etc;)

Agree. I love HPs, but they’re not my first go-to gun. I wouldn’t hesitate to rely on one if needed, and few other guns are nearly as ergonomic, but there are newer guns that do a better job overall for a self-defense firearm without any modifications.


Some say that the older HP's metallurgy is not suited to withstand +p ammo and especially +p+. HP slides are fairly light. This fact is one reason that these pistols have a super heavy hammer spring which assists in retarding slide velocity. The op's pistol is valuable, and for this reason I would not alter it by removing the magazine safety. I have owned several HP's and had a nice one marred when a ham fisted person had great difficulty removing this safety mechanism. I fret that this might happen to the op's beautiful handgun.

Shouldn’t be an issue with an older HP like this. Just make sure you have a suitable block to put the pistol on, cover the area around the pin in the trigger, and punch it out. It’s the newer ones that are a huge pain with having to remove the actual trigger pin in the frame. I’d keep the disconnect after it’s removed for collector value, though. That said, even just polishing the mag disconnect on the older ones seems to help quite a bit.

[OlongJohnson]

I've kinda wondered how much could be achieved by polishing the shoe and the mag body, maybe even applying a super-slick coating of some kind.

[entropy]

On the MkII shown above, the mag safety has been removed. It’s an Izzy import gun, so I figured if I was going to get new sights, I might as well spay her too. My other is a MkIII Practical model. That one is original and “intact”. When I first obtained it, it allowed drop free operation WITH the mag safety in place. At some point, I replaced the flat mainspring due to misfires and while taking care of the misfire issue...also stopped the “drop free” function.🤷*♂️ I have polished the living bejesus out of that shoe to the point I can use it as a shaving mirror. It’s still not 100% tho. I also found that a bit of polish on the backside of the magazine body helps as well. Indeed...there are a few mags that I’d say are 80%+ reliable to drop free. They don’t exactly shoot out of the well though...I’d akin it to an old guy with a bad prostate taking a leak, but that would be blasphemy. Lol

A few posts up, the gun was described as “svelte”. That’s the perfect word. I’ve always felt the BHP was the Grace Kelly of auto pistols. Even more that the iconic Colt, the BHP has got something about it that is just timeless.

[Soxfan9]

Agree. I love HPs, but they’re not my first go-to gun. I wouldn’t hesitate to rely on one if needed, and few other guns are nearly as ergonomic, but there are newer guns that do a better job overall for a self-defense firearm without any modifications.



Shouldn’t be an issue with an older HP like this. Just make sure you have a suitable block to put the pistol on, cover the area around the pin in the trigger, and punch it out. It’s the newer ones that are a huge pain with having to remove the actual trigger pin in the frame. I’d keep the disconnect after it’s removed for collector value, though. That said, even just polishing the mag disconnect on the older ones seems to help quite a bit.

I removed the magazine safety. With the proper sized punch it came right out and went back in with no issues. I saved and put away the parts. Trigger improved nicely, and the mags drop free now.

I won’t do anything else with this one other than shoot it and occasionally carry it. My 11 yo has fallen in love with it. He declared it “our” most beautiful gun, so I expect this will be in the family for a long time.

[Joe in PNG]

Happily, mine came with the mag safety already removed and an NP3 finish on the slide.

[NIU2009]

I removed the magazine safety. With the proper sized punch it came right out and went back in with no issues. I saved and put away the parts. Trigger improved nicely, and the mags drop free now.

I won’t do anything else with this one other than shoot it and occasionally carry it. My 11 yo has fallen in love with it. He declared it “our” most beautiful gun, so I expect this will be in the family for a long time.

He’s not wrong! I think the HP is one of the best looking production handguns ever made.

[Suvorov]

Since this is turning into a general HiPower love fest and show and tell here are a few from my collection.

First up is the gun that’s”Started it All”. The very first gun I ever bought and my very first handgun. Just a run of the mill MKIII but along the way I added the Pachmyer grip cause I thought they would help me shoot better (I spent the first couple years of owning this pistol completely ignorant of the was of the pistol).

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Next is my Chinese Contract Inglis HP. I have yet to find a decent reproduction holster/stock for it. I’ve always appreciated the optimism of the Tangent sights.

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Finally is my “Moon Rock”. A FN Double Action Hi Power. This is the final evolution of the gun that FN designed for the M9 trials. It had very limited success militarily and commercially with Finland being the only nation to adopt it for their military. It is really more Hi Power in name and body than it is internally. The barrel lockup is classic browning but the trigger mechanism is completely different than the P35. Magazines are 14 and 15 round and are backward compatible with the BHP but P35 mags will not function in the HP DA. Interestedly the failed Browning BDM shares many of the design features with the HP DA and magazines are compatible.

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I have yet to find a holster I like for any of them.

[entropy]

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Look up Wes at Privateer Leather for holster ideas...

[pangloss]

The first pistol I ever purchased was a Gen2 Glock 17, but I very nearly purchased a BHP Practical instead. For years a little part of me regretted getting the Glock, and in ~2004 I bought the 1994 MKIII that I have now from a friend of a friend. I don't shoot it nearly enough, but as soon as I'm "good enough" with my Glocks, I'll start shooting my other pistols more. If FN wanted to breathe some life into the BHP, I bet they could make some money selling frames. I think there's enough demand, that the aftermarket would fill in the gaps.

[JAD]

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I have yet to find a holster I like for any of them.

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?24561-JRC-Watson-Special

It’s still my favorite for the P35.

[Suvorov]

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Look up Wes at Privateer Leather for holster ideas...


I’ll look him up. I just noticed that Amazon is showing Safariland makes an ALS holster for the BHP. This must be fairly recent anyhow I’ll pick one up. Still I would like a lower profile OWB or IWB for the platform. For the longest time I wanted a 19L but back n my BHP carrying days $70 was a lot of money for a holster (especially when you didn’t know any better).

[entropy]

Wes has made 3 holsters for me. A Navigant, (high ride OWB), an avenger style OWB, and a Sparks style IWB. All superb. If you’d like to test drive them, let me know and we can make arrangements...

[JonInWA]

Another strong endorsement for Wes at Privateer. The experimental 3-slot strongside/crossdraw Highwayman OWB (mid height carry position) is a superb holster-and a work of art.
https://i.imgur.com/qZvBHCAh.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/WzjCNd5h.jpg

I also have a Galco Royal Guard horsehide IWB and a Safariland paddle OWB that I use for my High Power; while both are for a 1911, they work fine-but Wes' is far and away my favorite.

Best, Jon

[Tokarev]

Wes' leather work...

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191225/9a038922386afcab0cefe313c9a5b906.jpg

[Tokarev]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200813/47cb78e632612fde60ffe053d38b94ac.jpg

[Tokarev]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190619/07af4d1bbf2cc6913c9bfc638aecff15.jpg

[NIU2009]

I’ll look him up. I just noticed that Amazon is showing Safariland makes an ALS holster for the BHP. This must be fairly recent anyhow I’ll pick one up. Still I would like a lower profile OWB or IWB for the platform. For the longest time I wanted a 19L but back n my BHP carrying days $70 was a lot of money for a holster (especially when you didn’t know any better).

Proceed with caution. ALS holsters are not easy on gun finishes. The 19L is a very nice holster, but the recent (new) example I got for a MKIII does not have the best fit.

[feudist]

Y'all pull me in again.

I've been jonesing for a Hipower for a couple of years, so I missed the chance to buy one at a sane price.

So I settled for a Feg in very good condition.

I've got an ambi-safety and another magazine coming. Next up will be sights and grips.

[Suvorov]

Proceed with caution. ALS holsters are not easy on gun finishes. The 19L is a very nice holster, but the recent (new) example I got for a MKIII does not have the best fit.

Yeah, but I've standardized on the ALS for all my "shooting guns", it's what I'm issued and what I like to train with. Gun finish wear noted, I've accepted it with guns I intend for (as hard as I give em) use. My Hi Powers on the other hand are more range toys and collectables at that is point, I may decide to go a year or two using the MKIII as my primary range gun but with the 9mm situation being what it is and the reserves of .40 and .45 I have in my safe, it probably wont happen anytime soon.

A nice pretty leather holster to match a pretty gun is what will fit the bill....

[DpdG]

HP clone porn, with new stocks thanks to JonInWA

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[JonInWA]

They look like they've found great home on your pistol-glad I was able to help (and accurately tell my wife that occassionally I do divest myself of things I don't use...)

It's guaranteed to shoot more accurately and faster. It also gives you the capability of leaping over tall buildings in one mighty stride. You and your FEG will leap to the pinnacle of Hi Power performance....

Seriously, enjoy. It looks great.

Best, Jon

[Joe in PNG]

Tried out the new C&S No Bite hammer, and it works better. I got a couple of nips, but not like with the original.

[Evil_Ed]

I like mine, quite a bit

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FYI, Beretta 92 baseplates fit on BHP mags just fine, for those who are tired of them eating holes in shirts..they might look a little funky with the lip when they're seated, but they work really well.

[JonInWA]

Tried out the new C&S No Bite hammer, and it works better. I got a couple of nips, but not like with the original.

Another alternative is the SFS system, as the hammer that's an integral part of it is even more minimized.

Best, Jon

[Joe in PNG]

Another alternative is the SFS system, as the hammer that's an integral part of it is even more minimized.

Best, Jon

I'm pretty cool with cocked and locked, so no worries there.

[Joe in PNG]

I like mine, quite a bit

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FYI, Beretta 92 baseplates fit on BHP mags just fine, for those who are tired of them eating holes in shirts..they might look a little funky with the lip when they're seated, but they work really well.

I immediately went out and tried that- good hack!

[Corse]

I like mine, quite a bit

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FYI, Beretta 92 baseplates fit on BHP mags just fine, for those who are tired of them eating holes in shirts..they might look a little funky with the lip when they're seated, but they work really well.

I just ordered some, thanks.

[Soxfan9]

Hit the range today with the BHP and my LTT., and my 11 yo. The Hi Power was great. Zero malfunctions in 250 rounds. There was one case where I didn’t reset the trigger, otherwise the long rest was a non issue.

I noticed that when running some drills at speed that involved transitions that the Hi Power pointed so smoothly and naturally. After the first run through with it on multiple targets I just had to say “wow”.

The sights are small, but useable. We were able to hit steel out to 50 yards with no issue. The safety, though not great, was also serviceable.

My son loved it. I think for his sized hands everything felt right. When given a choice throughout the day he kept asking for the BHP. Great day!

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201018/3de0e74664d85432aa924be3b9d84819.jpg
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[HCM]

There is a cure for those tiny sights ...

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[Soxfan9]

[QUOTE=HCM;1128749]There is a cure for those tiny sights...[\QUOTE]

Loving the RDO on the Beretta. Those look pretty low and compact as well. Maybe on the next one.

[Notorious E.O.C.]

There is a cure for those tiny sights ...

Wait, what? Just hold on a damn minute here. Please tell me that's not Photoshop... and where I can send one of my BHPs for that treatment.

[37th Mass]

Here is your chance to buy a brand new old stock 1973 BHP.

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/879272692?trk_msg=996CMPCIE9NKH7P8SE2TI11QIO&trk_contact=8D4S6RJKFBDSH04CDJATV0JC8K&trk_sid=15U7M7CDH50J2G7A5LHUQ4VT68&utm_source=listrak&utm_medium=email&utm_term=BID%20NOW!&utm_campaign=CDNN%20Auctions%20Ending%2010-18

[HCM]

Wait, what? Just hold on a damn minute here. Please tell me that's not Photoshop... and where I can send one of my BHPs for that treatment.

As a recently departed colleague used to say - "GTS" Google That Shit.


https://youtu.be/5WktonWdLb8


https://youtu.be/I8RTEYUgz80

No a big fan of the Shield RDS but the new slim RMR CC is perfect for 1911s and BHPs.

[OlongJohnson]

As a recently departed colleague used to say - "GTS" Google That Shit.

LMGTFY is still there.

[parishioner]

I’m trying to help advise my dad on a possible hi-power purchase from a colleague and since we both know next to nothing regarding these, I thought I’d ask for cursory opinions based on these photos he sent me. I know it’s difficult to know everything just from the photos but are there any visible glaring issues and is there anything he should specifically look for upon in-person inspection?

What variant is this?

The last gun my dad wanted to buy from a friend was a "Colt 1911" but I was able to identity from the photos he sent that the frame was not colt and was in fact an Essex frame so he abandoned that deal.

He has a Springfield SA-35 that has already made a trip back to Springfield for FTEs and since returning the problem persists.

If this Browning is kosher I might suggest he put the Springfield up for sale to put towards this.

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[MattyD380]

I’m trying to help advise my dad on a possible hi-power purchase from a colleague and since we both know next to nothing regarding these, I thought I’d ask for cursory opinions based on these photos he sent me. I know it’s difficult to know everything just from the photos but are there any visible glaring issues and is there anything he should specifically look for upon in-person inspection?

What variant is this?

The last gun my dad wanted to buy from a friend was a "Colt 1911" but I was able to identity from the photos he sent that the frame was not colt and was in fact an Essex frame so he abandoned that deal.

He has a Springfield SA-35 that has already made a trip back to Springfield for FTEs and since returning the problem persists.

If this Browning is kosher I might suggest he put the Springfield up for sale to put towards this.

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Wow. That’s a T-Series. That’s the Hi Power everyone wants—arguably at the peak of quality/attention to detail fit/finish in Hi Power production. So, they command higher prices than later ones.

Looks like it’s got the proof marks it should have on the frame and barrel. The finish looks spectacular—so I wouldn’t think anyone piecemealed it from random parts. I would expect you might find a matching serial on the other side of the barrel hood? At least my MKIII has one there.

All that said… that looks like a Hi Power any Hi Power fan would be thrilled to own.

[parishioner]

Wow. That’s a T-Series. That’s the Hi Power everyone wants—arguably at the peak of quality/attention to detail fit/finish in Hi Power production. So, they command higher prices than later ones.

Looks like it’s got the proof marks it should have on the frame and barrel. The finish looks spectacular—so I wouldn’t think anyone piecemealed it from random parts. I would expect you might find a matching serial on the other side of the barrel hood? At least my MKIII has one there.

All that said… that looks like a Hi Power any Hi Power fan would be thrilled to own.

Thank you!

I will pass along this info and let him make the decision. I believe the seller is asking $1200

[MattyD380]

Thank you!

I will pass along this info and let him make the decision. I believe the seller is asking $1200

No problem! Others here might know more JonInWA and Tokarev are Hi Power aficionados.

As far as price… that seems fair to me for a really nice T-Series? People are asking crazy amounts for T-Series HPs on GB. I saw some actual bids for $1600-$1700. But GB prices are always high.

[tango-papa]

I’m trying to help advise my dad on a possible hi-power purchase from a colleague and since we both know next to nothing regarding these, I thought I’d ask for cursory opinions based on these photos he sent me. I know it’s difficult to know everything just from the photos but are there any visible glaring issues and is there anything he should specifically look for upon in-person inspection?

What variant is this?

The last gun my dad wanted to buy from a friend was a "Colt 1911" but I was able to identity from the photos he sent that the frame was not colt and was in fact an Essex frame so he abandoned that deal.

He has a Springfield SA-35 that has already made a trip back to Springfield for FTEs and since returning the problem persists.

If this Browning is kosher I might suggest he put the Springfield up for sale to put towards this.

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The serial number indicates it's a late production T series.
Assuming it's all original, the asking price of $1200 is a very good price for the buyer.
That's easily a $1500+ pistol in the current market.

https://www.browning.com/support/date-your-firearm/hi-power-pistol.html

[Jim Watson]

He has a Springfield SA-35 that has already made a trip back to Springfield for FTEs and since returning the problem persists.

If this Browning is kosher I might suggest he put the Springfield up for sale to put towards this.

That is, as everybody says, a nice looking real Browning.

Who will he sell a SA that doesn't work to?

I would, either before selling it or after buying it CHEAP, get a real Browning extractor and stout spring, and gently massage the groove with a diamond file. There are indications that the factory extractor hook might not be right, that the spring might be weak, and that where the extractor slot crosses the slide serrations there might be burrs.

[JonInWA]

That's a beautiful gun, and $1,200 isn't unreasonable in my opinion. Hopefully he'll be able to get all the backup information to establish provenance (original box, pouch, spare magazine, manual, bill of sale receipt, etc.), but even for just the gun I'd go for it.

If he intends to shoot it, I'd recommend getting with BH Spring Solutions for their complete respringing kit (or just send it to them to have them do it).

While I personally prefer the later Mk II and III High Powers, that's a magnificent gun.

Here's mine in its current incarnation:

https://i.imgur.com/r36r8puh.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Rr02BGIh.jpg

Best, Jon

[parishioner]

That is, as everybody says, a nice looking real Browning.

Who will he sell a SA that doesn't work to?

I would, either before selling it or after buying it CHEAP, get a real Browning extractor and stout spring, and gently massage the groove with a diamond file. There are indications that the factory extractor hook might not be right, that the spring might be weak, and that where the extractor slot crosses the slide serrations there might be burrs.

If sold, would make disclaimer of issues and sell at reduced price.