View Full Version : US Army adopting the Sig 1-6x optic
LittleLebowski
10-07-2020, 05:29 PM
https://taskandpurpose.com/military-tech/army-rifle-optic-sig-sauer-contract
The Army is picking up a new variable-power optic for the M4A1 carbine that'll let soldiers reach out at further ranges with more accuracy than before.
Army Contract Command has awarded a follow-on production contract to Sig Sauer to furnish the service with a Direct View Optic (DVO), a fresh accessory that will allow soldiers to quickly switch between 1x and 6x magnification, in contrast to the fixed magnification standard on the existing Rifle Combat Optic
"Variable power magnification optics combine the capabilities of the non-magnified optic’s ability to engage close quarter targets with a fixed-magnification optic’s ability to detect, recognize, identify, and precisely engage targets at extended ranges," according to the DVO solicitation that the Army issued in August 2019.
It's unclear which Sig Sauer optic the Army has selected to serve as its DVO, but this isn't the first time the service has purchased a 1-6x optic from the company: In 2018, the service selected the lightweight TANGO6T 1-6X24 mm optic (https://www.amazon.com/Sig-Sauer-TANGO6T-1-6x24mm-SOT61233/dp/B07RJSVLY8/) for its new M110A1 Squad Designated Marksman Rifle that's based on the Hechler and Koch's 7.62mm G28/HK417 rifle.
ccmdfd
10-07-2020, 05:36 PM
Who makes SIG's optics?
Sig must have photos of SecDef in drag or something.
LittleLebowski
10-07-2020, 06:27 PM
Who makes SIG's optics?
Probably LOW. (http://www.light-op.co.jp/english/)
John Hearne
10-08-2020, 11:26 AM
IIRC, Sig has a development team in the Pac NW with a lot of former Leupold employees. Not sure if they're manufacturing there too.
Stephanie B
10-08-2020, 06:20 PM
Who makes SIG's optics?
People's Optics Factory #57 in Lanzhou?
Suvorov
10-08-2020, 07:35 PM
I really wonder how these are going to be issued. Does the brass just want the soldiers to get a better look at the target before they miss it? Or will this optic, like the M17* - change (https://www.foxnews.com/tech/army-says-new-war-ready-m17-pistol-will-change-modern-combat) the face of warfare as we know it?
* Pistol, NOT protective mask.
Clusterfrack
10-08-2020, 08:43 PM
IIRC, Sig has a development team in the Pac NW with a lot of former Leupold employees. Not sure if they're manufacturing there too.
I can ask.
Norville
10-08-2020, 08:56 PM
They spent all the money on HK rifles, it’s the best they could afford.
Mike C
10-08-2020, 09:33 PM
They spent all the money on HK rifles, it’s the best they could afford.
Ha touché! But in all seriousness cheap glass and electronics are leaps and bounds above where they were many moons ago. Variable is definitely the future. I am no Sig apologist but if they can deliver good enough quality and reliability at a price point Uncle Sugar can afford with their poor mans budget, (after the HK's of course) why not.
DamonL
10-08-2020, 09:48 PM
The US Marines bought the Trijicon VCOG. So LPVO seem to be a force multiplier.
At the price those go for... Why not just go with Night Force?
Andy T
10-08-2020, 10:09 PM
At the price those go for... Why not just go with Night Force?
See post #3 in this thread.
See post #3 in this thread.
LOL! For that matter in bed with with a hooker and blow.
Who makes SIG's optics?
Probably LOW. (http://www.light-op.co.jp/english/)
IIRC, Sig has a development team in the Pac NW with a lot of former Leupold employees. Not sure if they're manufacturing there too.
People's Optics Factory #57 in Lanzhou?
Ha touché! But in all seriousness cheap glass and electronics are leaps and bounds above where they were many moons ago. Variable is definitely the future. I am no Sig apologist but if they can deliver good enough quality and reliability at a price point Uncle Sugar can afford with their poor mans budget, (after the HK's of course) why not.
The answer is all of these it depends on the optic.
Cheaper SIG optics are made in China or the Philippines. Some of the higher and optics like the high end variable power scopes and the Romeo three max red dot optic are made in Japan. The military issue Vortex Razor Gen 2 1-6 is made by LOW in Japan.
SIG is supposed to be starting production of certain optics at their US facility in Oregon. I believe the Sigg Romeo to, the mini red dot optic with the option to Enclose the a mirror with a removable shroud is one of the first optics scheduled to be manufactured in the US.
Borderland
10-08-2020, 10:52 PM
I really wonder how these are going to be issued. Does the brass just want the soldiers to get a better look at the target before they miss it? Or will this optic, like the M17* - change (https://www.foxnews.com/tech/army-says-new-war-ready-m17-pistol-will-change-modern-combat) the face of warfare as we know it?
* Pistol, NOT protective mask.
Great link and a good laugh.
5.56, new optic, 600 meters. I have some questions. Isn't that like putting lipstick on a pig? Wouldn't it be better to upgrade the rifle (cartridge) instead of the optic? The energy at 600 yds for a 6.5 Grendel is almost twice that of a 5.56. Or maybe Sig is giving those away like the M17. In that case, who cares?
5.56, new optic, 600 meters. I have some questions. Isn't that like putting lipstick on a pig?
No.
Great link and a good laugh.
5.56, new optic, 600 meters. I have some questions. Isn't that like putting lipstick on a pig? Wouldn't it be better to upgrade the rifle (cartridge) instead of the optic? The energy at 600 yds for a 6.5 Grendel is almost twice that of a 5.56. Or maybe Sig is giving those away like the M17. In that case, who cares?
Like many makers, SIG has multiple grades of optic depending on price point and customer requirements. Just because your experience with them has only been in the bargain basement doesn’t mean that’s all they make. Leupold and vortex have made in China bargain basement optics too.
A 1 to 6 scope may be a 600 yard optic on a range with colic to find targets but in general it takes 2x magnification per 100 yards /meters to locate and ID targets under field conditions.
1-6 and 1-8 LPVOs have been the standard 5.56 optic for many special operations forces for years. Successful SOF equipment migrating to conventional forces is nothing new. The USMC just adopted the 1-8x VCOG as a general purpose optic to supplement the 4x ACOGs.
M855A1 is a real improvement in 5.56 performance and the military is still pursuing a new 6.8mm rifle.
As for 6.5 Grendel. All of its positive attributes aside, it’s fatal flaw is it’s tapered case which makes feeding and function in AR style rifle is problematic. Good quality mags can help with this but tapered cases require a continuous curve magazine, the basic engineering challenge remains. In short, given the inherent reliability issues, it would be criminal negligence to push 6.5 Grendel as a primary fighting round in an AR.
Hambo
10-09-2020, 04:56 AM
Sig must have photos of SecDef in drag or something.
No, I have video of the sales meeting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUshGP2UJEo
jetfire
10-09-2020, 06:57 AM
Correction to the original article, the Army has not yet selected an LPVO. The Sig optic that has been selected was selected by the Air Force, and will be issued alongside the new M4A1s we're all supposed to get and eventually replace the Comp M4 and ACOG via attrition. USAF units that are getting the new optic are going to be our special operations dudes, EOD, and cops. It won't be general issue for people whose jobs don't normally involve carrying a weapon, they'll keep their Aimpoints.
TiroFijo
10-09-2020, 07:40 AM
People's Optics Factory #57 in Lanzhou?
And the next US Army rifle will be manufactured in Izhevsk?
NK probably has a tender for the 6.8 ammo factory.
Stephanie B
10-09-2020, 08:06 AM
People's Optics Factory #57 in Lanzhou?
And the next US Army rifle will be manufactured in Izhevsk?
Probably not. Generally, the winner has to build and run a plant in CONUS (Beretta, FN).
Borderland
10-09-2020, 09:25 AM
Like many makers, SIG has multiple grades of optic depending on price point and customer requirements.
Sig has multiple grades of pistols also. The military got what it paid for. :D
Clusterfrack
10-10-2020, 11:22 AM
I can ask.
They will be manufactured in the Wilsonville Oregon facility.
DamonL
11-05-2020, 08:54 AM
Sig just won a contract for their Tango 6 1-6 rifle scope.
This is different than the SDMR contract awarded a few years ago. It is a new contract for a Direct View Optic.
https://www.overtdefense.com/2020/10/08/us-army-awards-sig-sauer-optics-major-contract-for-direct-view-optic/
https://soldiersystems.net/2020/11/04/first-look-us-armys-newdirect-view-optic-by-sig-sauer/#comments
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