Glock Gen5 40S&W New Release

[Center Shot]

Glock has the new Gen5 40S&W on their website now as a new release.

https://us.glock.com/en/pistols?filter=40sundw

[Bucky]

Interesting time to come out with a new release when they can’t keep existing product on the shelf. ;)

[HeavyDuty]

And why are the Gen4s shown as LE only? Or is that old news?

[HeavyDuty]

It doesn’t look as porky as I expected.

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[WobblyPossum]

And why are the Gen4s shown as LE only? Or is that old news?

Glock has stopped production of 9mm and 40 S&W Gen4 guns for the commercial market. They will continue to support guns already in the field for those agencies who only issue or authorize the Gen4.

[HCM]

And why are the Gen4s shown as LE only? Or is that old news?

Glock announced they would be phasing out the gen 4 guns a few months ago. They will continue to support existing gen 4s.

The only reason the still make Gen 3s is the California market.

[HCM]

Interesting time to come out with a new release when they can’t keep existing product on the shelf. ;)

They didn't just decide to do this yesterday. Glock traditionally releases new models in September or October ahead of SHOT show in January. This release pre-dates COVID and the associated shenanigans.

[HCM]

Glock has the new Gen5 40S&W on their website now as a new release.

https://us.glock.com/en/pistols?filter=40sundw

I'm please to see G22 and 23 MOS models. A G23 with a comp and RDS could be interesting if it runs reliably.

[3-7-77]

Looks like the Gen5 weighs a hair over 3 ounces more than the Gen4. Wondering if that all went into the slide.

[HCM]

Looks like the Gen5 weighs a hair over 3 ounces more than the Gen4. Wondering if that all went into the slide.

Hopefully.

[HeavyDuty]

So, does this mean Gen5 31, 32 and 33 variants are on the way?

[BigT]

Glock announced they would be phasing out the gen 4 guns a few months ago. They will continue to support existing gen 4s.

The only reason the still make Gen 3s is the California market.


Outside the US Gen3 especially in 9mm is still popular.

[Whirlwind06]

I wonder if the 10mm and 45 ACP can fit into this new sized frame.
From a manufacturing standpoint, I would think having 2 frame sizes or I guess 3 with the slimline would be better than 4 frame sizes.

[TheNewbie]

With my mas o menos Spanish I can read some of this, but maybe we have someone who can translate the Portuguese for us.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEIi4l7766M


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2P2llVdyq6M

[SwampDweller]

We just got in some Glock 27 Gen 5s at the gun shop I work at. The slide is definitely noticeably beefed up, very similar if not identical to how the .45 GAP slides were. Hopefully this will mean better durability and reliability. I didn't notice any difference in the frame other than the typical Gen 5 changes, but I didn't look at the frame that hard. The slide has significantly more steel, though.

[HCM]

We just got in some Glock 27 Gen 5s at the gun shop I work at. The slide is definitely noticeably beefed up, very similar if not identical to how the .45 GAP slides were. Hopefully this will mean better durability and reliability. I didn't notice any difference in the frame other than the typical Gen 5 changes, but I didn't look at the frame that hard. The slide has significantly more steel, though.

That is consistent with the Brazilian police contract guns and what many have previously said Glock’s .40 cal should have been in the first place.

[TheNewbie]

I kind of want to hang out with the BOPE. Though I do not believe that is the BOPE on the video, but Military Police.

[arcticlightfighter]

A recent visit to the ammo locker at the PD showed an excess of .40 including our issue 180 grain HST

Might be time to invest in a Gen5 .40 MOS

[HeavyDuty]

We just got in some Glock 27 Gen 5s at the gun shop I work at. The slide is definitely noticeably beefed up, very similar if not identical to how the .45 GAP slides were. Hopefully this will mean better durability and reliability. I didn't notice any difference in the frame other than the typical Gen 5 changes, but I didn't look at the frame that hard. The slide has significantly more steel, though.

I’ve only handled a .45 GAP one time, and that’s been years. What is your perception of the slide bulk compared to a 21 or 30? I’m guessing substantially the same.

[Guinnessman]

A recent visit to the ammo locker at the PD showed an excess of .40 including our issue 180 grain HST

Might be time to invest in a Gen5 .40 MOS

I have seen .40 on the shelves here in PA, so another .40 is tempting.

[fixer]

I have a strange obsession with G22 and G23 that is unexplainable.

Might have to try out a Gen 5 finally.

[SwampDweller]

I’ve only handled a .45 GAP one time, and that’s been years. What is your perception of the slide bulk compared to a 21 or 30? I’m guessing substantially the same.

The way they contour/"melt" the slide to the frame on the .45 GAP/Gen5.40 S&W Glocks makes it seem like it's not as bulky as the 21 or 30. It's a little thicker than the standard G17/G19 slides, and you can feel the weight difference when you handle them, but in terms of bulk it only seems slightly larger than the 9mm slides. That is, to me, anyway.

[JHC]

I have a strange obsession with G22 and G23 that is unexplainable.

Might have to try out a Gen 5 finally.

I know right? My current RTF2 G22 has been outstanding in accuracy and shootability, as was the Gen 4 I had previously. I'm leaning "strongly" to get a KKM barrel for it one of these days to see what it can do hot-rodded. I'm pretty curious about this Gen 5 version.

[Center Shot]

Here is a Glock Gen5 G22 with a FDE frame

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcSmTUNCO_Y

[MSparks909]

Just snagged a G22.5 off GB for what I thought was a fair price. Should be here next week :cool: Looking forward to comparing it to my PX4 .40 and USP .40

[TheNewbie]

Just snagged a G22.5 off GB for what I thought was a fair price. Should be here next week :cool: Looking forward to comparing it to my PX4 .40 and USP .40

How are you liking it?


Safariland is now offering holsters for this gun.

[john c]

Outside the US Gen3 especially in 9mm is still popular.

Glock is still selling Gen3 pistols internationally? Are they cheaper than Gen5, or is there some other reason for their popularity?

[PNWTO]

I have a strange obsession with G22 and G23 that is unexplainable.

Might have to try out a Gen 5 finally.

I carry and live with a G19 and I also have a strange urge for a 23 as an hiking/hunting/field companion.

[HeavyDuty]

I’m actually still a fan of the .40 - my first Glock was a Gen2 23 that I picked up in the early 90s and shot until I moved to M&P in the mid naughts. I have a substantial amount of ammunition here, too.

A 23.5 may be what I use this year’s blue label coupon to pick up; a 27.5 is tempting, too. I still have hopes that we will see Gen5 versions of the 31-32-33, too.

[MSparks909]

How are you liking it?


Safariland is now offering holsters for this gun.

USPS dropped the ball on shipping and it took an extra week to get to my FFL. Plan to pick it up tomorrow.

[BigT]

Glock is still selling Gen3 pistols internationally? Are they cheaper than Gen5, or is there some other reason for their popularity?


Yeah they are a good bit cheaper than Gen4 and 5 so play in a different market.

[MSparks909]

Spoiler alert...the 22.5 is a shooter :cool:

Got to hit the range this AM and do a quick eval. Ammo is tight so tried to make it count. Brought my 17.5, 22.5, USP 40 V3 and PX4 .40 to shoot. Shot 2 rounds of the Hackathorn Test (10 yards) Bill Drills (7 yards) and also shot a TRex Arms drill (5 yards) with the 17.5 and 22.5 (ran out of those targets so didn’t shoot them with the USP or PX4). Ammo used was Tula 115 for the 17.5 and WWB 165 for the .40s. Shot all drills from high ready as I only have a holster for the G17.5 and PX4.

First up, my early G17.5 with factory Ameriglo’s as a control. Gun is stippled and has the Kagwerks raised slide stop. Other than that it is bone stock. Disclaimer...haven’t shot any timed pistol drills in quite a while because of the ammo shortage and have been busy with non-shooting stuff so I was a little rusty with the 17.5. At any rate, here’s the target:

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Next up was the G22.5. It is 100% bone stock with the shitty Glock plastic sights. I fell into a groove with this gun pretty quickly...my second “The Test” is among the best I’ve ever shot considering my part time...especially with a gun I had a grand total of 10 rounds through. Bill Drill was right there with the G17. G22 performance:

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Following the G22 was my HK USP 40 V3. It’s got Trijicon HDs and the USP Match trigger kit sans the adjustable overtravel trigger. Also has the decocker only variant plate. It’s not as flat shooting as the G22.5 but as long as you clamp down on the grip it can be shot pretty well. Gets a tad “bouncy” when shot at speed on things like a Bill Drill but not too terrible. Ran “The Test” twice and the Bill Drill once because I was out of TRex Arms targets at this point.

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Last up was my Beretta PX4 Inox .40. This gun has the Beretta Competition Trigger pack, Langdon 12# hammer spring, G conversion (decocker only) and Langdon Ameriglo sights. Inadvertently locked the gun open on the Bill Drill due to my grip hitting the slide stop upwards so I will be ordering the Stealth slide release soon. This gun also desperately needs a stipple job.

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After the “formal” targets I loaded each gun with 7 rounds and blindly shot into the berm to gauge each gun’s recoil impulse. The PX4 was sharper than both the USP 40 and G22.5. Not by much, but it was noticeable. Loaded the USP and G22 and did the same thing again and I couldn’t pick a clear winner between the USP 40 and G22.5. Both recoil about the same and feel very pleasant with 165s. 180s should be softer yet.

Had 36 rounds left at this point so loaded two full mags for the G22.5 and installed one of my TLR-1s to check function. Zero issues with the light mounted albeit this is a sample size of 1 gun and only 36 rounds. Will do more testing in the future with WMLs to see if any issues arise. Had 6 rounds left and decided to run one more Bill Drill with the 22.5/TLR-1:

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All in all my initial 100 round impression with this 22.5 is very positive. I’m highly considering picking up a 23.5 before the end of the year. Ejection was 2-3’ in a nice rainbow arc at ~ 3 o’clock. The gun does have the breechface cut like newer Gen 5 9mms but did not launch them with near as much authority as my G45. I’m going to swap the sights, get it stippled/undercut and call it good. Hoping Kagwerks comes out with a raised slide stop for these new Gen 5 .40s because I did have a few failures to lock back due to my grip riding the factory slide stop. Hope this helps any prospective buyers.

[TheNewbie]

Spoiler alert...the 22.5 is a shooter :cool:

Got to hit the range this AM and do a quick eval. Ammo is tight so tried to make it count. Brought my 17.5, 22.5, USP 40 V3 and PX4 .40 to shoot. Shot 2 rounds of the Hackathorn Test (10 yards) Bill Drills (7 yards) and also shot a TRex Arms drill (5 yards) with the 17.5 and 22.5 (ran out of those targets so didn’t shoot them with the USP or PX4). Ammo used was Tula 115 for the 17.5 and WWB 165 for the .40s. Shot all drills from high ready as I only have a holster for the G17.5 and PX4.

First up, my early G17.5 with factory Ameriglo’s as a control. Gun is stippled and has the Kagwerks raised slide stop. Other than that it is bone stock. Disclaimer...haven’t shot any timed pistol drills in quite a while because of the ammo shortage and have been busy with non-shooting stuff so I was a little rusty with the 17.5. At any rate, here’s the target:

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Next up was the G22.5. It is 100% bone stock with the shitty Glock plastic sights. I fell into a groove with this gun pretty quickly...my second “The Test” is among the best I’ve ever shot considering my part time...especially with a gun I had a grand total of 10 rounds through. Bill Drill was right there with the G17. G22 performance:

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Following the G22 was my HK USP 40 V3. It’s got Trijicon HDs and the USP Match trigger kit sans the adjustable overtravel trigger. Also has the decocker only variant plate. It’s not as flat shooting as the G22.5 but as long as you clamp down on the grip it can be shot pretty well. Gets a tad “bouncy” when shot at speed on things like a Bill Drill but not too terrible. Ran “The Test” twice and the Bill Drill once because I was out of TRex Arms targets at this point.

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Last up was my Beretta PX4 Inox .40. This gun has the Beretta Competition Trigger pack, Langdon 12# hammer spring, G conversion (decocker only) and Langdon Ameriglo sights. Inadvertently locked the gun open on the Bill Drill due to my grip hitting the slide stop upwards so I will be ordering the Stealth slide release soon. This gun also desperately needs a stipple job.

62306

After the “formal” targets I loaded each gun with 7 rounds and blindly shot into the berm to gauge each gun’s recoil impulse. The PX4 was sharper than both the USP 40 and G22.5. Not by much, but it was noticeable. Loaded the USP and G22 and did the same thing again and I couldn’t pick a clear winner between the USP 40 and G22.5. Both recoil about the same and feel very pleasant with 165s. 180s should be softer yet.

Had 36 rounds left at this point so loaded two full mags for the G22.5 and installed one of my TLR-1s to check function. Zero issues with the light mounted albeit this is a sample size of 1 gun and only 36 rounds. Will do more testing in the future with WMLs to see if any issues arise. Had 6 rounds left and decided to run one more Bill Drill with the 22.5/TLR-1:

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All in all my initial 100 round impression with this 22.5 is very positive. I’m highly considering picking up a 23.5 before the end of the year. Ejection was 2-3’ in a nice rainbow arc at ~ 3 o’clock. The gun does have the breechface cut like newer Gen 5 9mms but did not launch them with near as much authority as my G45. I’m going to swap the sights, get it stippled/undercut and call it good. Hoping Kagwerks comes out with a raised slide stop for these new Gen 5 .40s because I did have a few failures to lock back due to my grip riding the factory slide stop. Hope this helps any prospective buyers.


Are you able to measure your trigger weight? I could feel a noticeable difference between Gen 4 and Gen 5 guns.

Will a Gen 5 SCD work on this gun?


The Gen 5 G23 tempts me for whatever reason.

[MSparks909]

Are you able to measure your trigger weight? I could feel a noticeable difference between Gen 4 and Gen 5 guns.

Will a Gen 5 SCD work on this gun?


The Gen 5 G23 tempts me for whatever reason.

I’ll stick my Lyman on it later tonight and see what I get. Feels identical to my other Gen 5s. And I’m 99% sure the backplate is the same as other G5 9mms save for the slimline guns. I’ll check that as well. Don’t have any SCDs for my G5’s yet but I assume it will fit fine.

[TheNewbie]

I’ll stick my Lyman on it later tonight and see what I get. Feels identical to my other Gen 5s. And I’m 99% sure the backplate is the same as other G5 9mms save for the slimline guns. I’ll check that as well. Don’t have any SCDs for my G5’s yet but I assume it will fit fine.

Thanks!

[MSparks909]

Thanks!

G22.5 - 5 pull average lower 1/3 of trigger was 5# 12oz
G17.5 (2K rounds) 5 pull average lower 1/3 of trigger was 5# 10 oz

Slide cover plates are identical. Same part # on the back.

[TheNewbie]

G22.5 - 5 pull average lower 1/3 of trigger was 5# 12oz
G17.5 (2K rounds) 5 pull average lower 1/3 of trigger was 5# 10 oz

Slide cover plates are identical. Same part # on the back.


Thank you so much!

I just don’t know why I want a Gen 5 G23 so badly.

[MSparks909]

Thank you so much!

I just don’t know why I want a Gen 5 G23 so badly.

Jump on one if you’re serious. Might be very hard to get one after next Tuesday...same with mags.

[JHC]

Next up was the G22.5. It is 100% bone stock with the shitty Glock plastic sights. I fell into a groove with this gun pretty quickly...my second “The Test” is among the best I’ve ever shot considering my part time...especially with a gun I had a grand total of 10 rounds through. Bill Drill was right there with the G17. G22 performance:



Nice! Any conclusions re holster fitment with previous 17/22 holsters?

[MSparks909]

Nice! Any conclusions re holster fitment with previous 17/22 holsters?

No way no how. Slide is too wide. Tried it in a few JMs, a Safariland and an OTG Hex OWB range holster...no dice. That’s the only thing I’m not happy about.

[TheNewbie]

Nice! Any conclusions re holster fitment with previous 17/22 holsters?

Safariland has a new part number for their ALS holsters.

[Vista461]

Any difference in felt recoil between gen4 and gen 5?

[lwt16]

Nice! Any conclusions re holster fitment with previous 17/22 holsters?

Per my Glock armorer’s course instructor at yesterday’s class.... gen 5 22/23 have thicker slides and won’t work in earlier generation holsters.

Regards.

[KevH]

MSparks909

Is the slide the size of a Glock 21 or somewhere between a 17 and 21?

I have no clue why I want one of these since I swore off 40 S&W a long time ago, but I find myself drawn to it.

[lwt16]

MSparks909

Is the slide the size of a Glock 21 or somewhere between a 17 and 21?

I have no clue why I want one of these since I swore off 40 S&W a long time ago, but I find myself drawn to it.

My instructor indicated that somewhere between a 17 and 21. If it's as thick as a 21 it won't interest me.

As much as he was pushing it at my class, I'd have thought he would have brought one with him for us to horse around with.

I'm just hoping they don't come out with one in a G45 size.......a gen 5 G22 with a G23 length slide on it. If they blue label such a thing at 398.20 I'll probably pounce even though ammo is nowhere to be found at what I'm willing to pay.

[KevH]

My instructor indicated that somewhere between a 17 and 21. If it's as thick as a 21 it won't interest me.

Kinda what I figured and I agree. If it's G21 size no thanks.

I have more 40 S&W ammo than I care to admit and the only 40 S&W gun I still own is a G22 Gen3 that I keep for sentimental reasons.

[lwt16]

Kinda what I figured and I agree. If it's G21 size no thanks.

I have more 40 S&W ammo than I care to admit and the only 40 S&W gun I still own is a G22 Gen3 that I keep for sentimental reasons.


https://youtu.be/LkVv14MQnGc

[Gadfly]

They FINALLY get the .40 right on Gen 5? After the round has taken a dump in popularity?
Of course, the beauty of the old glock is when you allready have a dozen Glock holsters, there is a lot of interchangeably. Now? Nope.

I still may dump my gen 4 for a gen 5 22. Only because I have chingasos of .40 a,m squirreled away....

[HCountyGuy]

Hmmm...wonder if a 21 holster might work

[TheNewbie]

Hmmm...wonder if a 21 holster might work


It's a different part number on the Safariland chart.



https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0086/8689/5184/files/PT_1_10-8-20_Duty_-_Pistols.pdf?v=1602511492

[JonInWA]

I would think a G37 holster would be just the ticket for these.

Best, Jon

[CanineCombatives]

What about mag compatibility with gen4 G22's? Any mention of that?

[MSparks909]

What about mag compatibility with gen4 G22's? Any mention of that?

Good to go

[MSparks909]

I would think a G37 holster would be just the ticket for these.

Best, Jon

G37 slide is 1.12”, G22.5 slide is 1.08”, G22.4 slide is 1.0”

[HeavyDuty]

https://pistol-forum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=61340&d=1601936928


G37 slide is 1.12”, G22.5 slide is 1.08”, G22.4 slide is 1.0”

I thought it looked thinner than I remembered the GAP pistols to be.

[EVP]

Did they put the lip again at the bottom of the front strap like the 19x?

[TC215]

Did they put the lip again at the bottom of the front strap like the 19x?

No, they look just like the current 9mm Gen5’s without the cut-out.

[JSGlock34]

Did they put the lip again at the bottom of the front strap like the 19x?

Pretty sure the lip has been standard on G26/G27 sized pistols - my guess is because they're commonly used with the extended +2 basepad.

[HeavyDuty]

Pretty sure the lip has been standard on G26/G27 sized pistols - my guess is because they're commonly used with the extended +2 basepad.

Correct, at least for my 33.4 and 26.5.

[Hot Cereal]

I am glad to see Glock continue to support .40 in their Gen5 pattern. I have never understood the pure hatred that so many people have for the .40. Glad to see some diversity renter the new service pistol market. Everything is a 9mm these days.

[JonInWA]

I am glad to see Glock continue to support .40 in their Gen5 pattern. I have never understood the pure hatred that so many people have for the .40. Glad to see some diversity renter the new service pistol market. Everything is a 9mm these days.

Except that COVID/civil disturbance fueled purchases have made 9mm unobtanium, and .40 still available and at semi-reasonable prices...I see myself shooting my .40 platforms in the remainder of 2020 well into 2021 much more than I'd anticipated...

Best, Jon

[Hot Cereal]

Except that COVID/civil disturbance fueled purchases have made 9mm unobtanium, and .40 still available and at semi-reasonable prices...I see myself shooting my .40 platforms in the remainder of 2020 well into 2021 much more than I'd anticipated...

Best, Jon

Im in agreement with you. I made the mistake of letting my stock get down to one .40 pistol, but I may remedy that depending on how the future pans out.

[GJM]

I didn’t realize the new Gen 5 22/23 come in MOS flavors.

[HCM]

I didn’t realize the new Gen 5 22/23 come in MOS flavors.

They will. AFAIK none of the MOS versions have hit the streets yet.

[TC215]

They will. AFAIK none of the MOS versions have hit the streets yet.

GT is showing the G22 MOS in stock:

https://www.gtdist.com/products/glock-22-gen-5-fs.html

[GJM]

They will. AFAIK none of the MOS versions have hit the streets yet.


GT is showing the G22 MOS in stock:

https://www.gtdist.com/products/glock-22-gen-5-fs.html

Saw a G23 MOS on Gunbroker.

[ST911]

I’ve shot the gen5 G22, G23, and G27 side by side through some exercises and been inside the guns. The lowers handle and feel like their 9mm counterparts. The uppers have added heft and width, visually and perceptibly half the difference between the 9 and 45 slides. The additional slide mass is palpable during live and dry firing. All are softer shooters, recoiled flatter, were less whippy, and easier to track than earlier gens of .40. How much so will be subjective. I found the G23 easiest to shoot and track at speed, and quicker to level. They have GMB barrels, I perceive more precision but haven’t nailed down groups at distance. Mags at capacity had little to no play, to plus up you may need to download a round in the 23 and 27. The 27 would only forcibly seat on a closed slide. The springs in otherwise new mags may relax a bit. Reliable function, positive ejection.

A snapshot of data shooting the Test (10-10-10). First run for each gun is BHA 180gr GDHP, and second was BHA 140gr TAC XP. The TAC XP is a very soft shooter in these guns, and is about like shooting stout/+P loads in 9mm.

G22, 91-0X and 95-1X
G23, 98-1X, 94-3X
G27, 95-0X, 95-2X

I would expect numbers to improve with more acclimation.

If I had to go back to .40, it would be the G23 with the TAC XP. If the 23MHS is ever released as a G23X or a G45 equivalent, that’s the model I would buy for the same reasons I prefer G19X/45.

Otherwise, that’s about the sum of the differences. The balance of the gun is simply a gen5 Glock.

[GNiner]

The balance of the gun is simply a gen5 Glock.

Is it a two-pin lower like the 9mm G5s, or a three-pin lower like the previous 40's?

[ST911]

Is it a two-pin lower like the 9mm G5s, or a three-pin lower like the previous 40's?

https://us.glock.com/en/pistols/g22-gen5

[ECVMatt]

My end of the world Glock is a Gen 3 17 with an extra 31 slide and a KKM 40 S&W barrel. This lets me shoot 9mm, 40 S&W, and .357 Sig off the same frame.

I have a ton of 40 which is saving me right now. I kind of went nuts on the 9mm stash when I bought my Gen 5 17 and 45.

I am hopeful that Glock will sell 40 slides to pair with my Gen 5 frames. I would like to fully transition to the Gen 5 system at some point.

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[HCountyGuy]

I didn’t realize the new Gen 5 22/23 come in MOS flavors.

LGS just got a G22.5 MOS. Pretty nice and can definitely tell the slide is beefed up.

[HeavyDuty]

I didn’t realize the new Gen 5 22/23 come in MOS flavors.

The 26.5 is shown as having a MOS version on the .EU website, but not the 27.5. I wonder if that’s coming.

[roboster2013]

Hmmm...wonder if a 21 holster might work

I got a 23G5 a little over a month ago. I've been using my 19X Alien Gear 4.0, and it seems to work fine.

[HCM]

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2020/12/17/apc40-pro-wins-sao-paulo-brazil-contract/

B&T Wins Sao Paulo Brazil Contract with APC40 PRO Model

TLDR - the Brazilian cops who were the first to adopt the Gen 5 G22 have adopted the B&T APC 40 SMG which uses Glock mags.

[TheNewbie]

Time to watch some Elite Squad.


The BOPE



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cb-rUfBTQ1g

[JBP55]

Time to watch some Elite Squad.


The BOPE



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cb-rUfBTQ1g


I traveled to Sao Paulo many times between 1963 and 1972 and they have approximately 100,000 Military Forces in the area who carry pistols and rifles who function like Police.

[HCM]

Picked up blue label G23 MOS Gen 5. It has the smooth trigger shoe and the trigger pull has a distinct wall, feels more like a Gen 4 trigger than a Gen 5.

[JHC]

Picked up blue label G23 MOS Gen 5. It has the smooth trigger shoe and the trigger pull has a distinct wall, feels more like a Gen 4 trigger than a Gen 5.

That's interesting. Very much looking forward to shooting impressions.

[BigT]

The 26.5 is shown as having a MOS version on the .EU website, but not the 27.5. I wonder if that’s coming.


Nothing on the price list yet.

[LockedBreech]

Except that COVID/civil disturbance fueled purchases have made 9mm unobtanium, and .40 still available and at semi-reasonable prices...I see myself shooting my .40 platforms in the remainder of 2020 well into 2021 much more than I'd anticipated...

Best, Jon

After the shortage in 2012, I committed to keeping up with at least a minor degree of practice for my four .40 S&W platforms, a few springs/parts/mags, and a healthy supply of 180 American Eagle and 180 HST & 180 Gold Dot when it was cheap as dirt. 2020 super vindicated that decision. I'll never get rid of my .40s and .45s, because I've seen two times in less than a decade when I wouldn't be able to obtain ammo otherwise.

[fatdog]

Wondering if a Gen 3-4 G32 barrel will work in the 23.5

The G19 locking block/barrel geometry was chosen for all of the 9mm Gen 5's of all sizes, wondering if they did the same for the .40 and standardized on that 19/23/32 dimension set for all of the locking blocks and barrels.

[HeavyDuty]

I’m actually still a fan of the .40 - my first Glock was a Gen2 23 that I picked up in the early 90s and shot until I moved to M&P in the mid naughts. I have a substantial amount of ammunition here, too.

A 23.5 may be what I use this year’s blue label coupon to pick up; a 27.5 is tempting, too. I still have hopes that we will see Gen5 versions of the 31-32-33, too.

It took awhile, but I picked up a 27.5 today.

[HeavyDuty]

Anyone else with a 27.5? I just ordered sights, my usual Ameriglo Hack - the Gen5 version. I’ll report back on POI, I have a small cache of .40 here in IL to shoot it in.

[JAH 3rd]

Anyone else with a 27.5? I just ordered sights, my usual Ameriglo Hack - the Gen5 version. I’ll report back on POI, I have a small cache of .40 here in IL to shoot it in.

I like Ameriglo Hacks on my G 21

[Forte Smitten Wesson]

It's crazy that it took Glock so long to finally start building Glocks specifically for the .40 S&W cartridge, especially now that the popularity of the cartridge has declined to the point that even Smith & Wesson themselves hasn't been supporting it. (The M&P Shield PLUS is exclusively chambered in 9mm Luger, previously S&W made all of their pistols for .40 S&W dating all the way back to the original Sigma SW40F in 1994.)

I recall how in years passed folks used to complain about how Smith & Wesson's pistols were thicker than Glocks, perhaps now folks understand why that was.

[WobblyPossum]

.40 S&W might be dying in the US, not as quickly as some people think, but there are still big contracts to be had worldwide. I believe the Gen5 .40s were designed to with a very large Brazilian contract and were successful in doing so.

[HeavyDuty]

It's crazy that it took Glock so long to finally start building Glocks specifically for the .40 S&W cartridge, especially now that the popularity of the cartridge has declined to the point that even Smith & Wesson themselves hasn't been supporting it. (The M&P Shield PLUS is exclusively chambered in 9mm Luger, previously S&W made all of their pistols for .40 S&W dating all the way back to the original Sigma SW40F in 1994.)

I recall how in years passed folks used to complain about how Smith & Wesson's pistols were thicker than Glocks, perhaps now folks understand why that was.

And to think I almost bought a P7M10...

[HeavyDuty]

.40 S&W might be dying in the US, not as quickly as some people think, but there are still big contracts to be had worldwide. I believe the Gen5 .40s were designed to with a very large Brazilian contract and were successful in doing so.

I still like .40, mostly because I’ve always lived in parka and Carhartt chore coat country. If I’m going to be clogging hollow points and effectively turning them into ball, I’d rather they be bigger and heavier. Yes, I want big balls.

[WobblyPossum]

I still like .40, mostly because I’ve always lived in parka and Carhartt chore coat country. If I’m going to be clogging hollow points and effectively turning them into ball, I’d rather they be bigger and heavier. Yes, I want big balls.

Back in the days when Federal Hydra-shok was the most advanced round available those were valid concerns. I think the heavy clothing and four-layer denim tests are supposed to be good approximations for shooting through things like heavy winter coats. Ammunition that does well in those tests tends to do well when shooting people wearing Carhartt jackets. There’s also ammunition like Hornady Critical Duty and Speer G2 with the little polymer doodad inside the bullet’s hollow point which is supposed to prevent clothing from plugging the round.

[Catshooter]

With pistol bullets it's still a "maybe". Maybe they'll expand, maybe they won't. Rifles are a different story though, the technology just has more velocity to work with. Much more dependable.

Not sure I should say this, but I like big balls too.


Cat

[Navin Johnson]

At around a 65% ROI on non-expanding ammunition SHO and WHO shoot ability along with platform durability does not support the larger caliber in a practical sense. YMMV.

[Navin Johnson]

It's crazy that it took Glock so long to finally start building Glocks specifically for the .40 S&W cartridge, especially now that the popularity of the cartridge has declined to the point that even Smith & Wesson themselves hasn't been supporting it. (The M&P Shield PLUS is exclusively chambered in 9mm Luger, previously S&W made all of their pistols for .40 S&W dating all the way back to the original Sigma SW40F in 1994.)

I recall how in years passed folks used to complain about how Smith & Wesson's pistols were thicker than Glocks, perhaps now folks understand why that was.

I think at the time Glock sold every 40 they could make so why would they update it?

I for one I'm glad the 40 is going away......now we don't have to carry 40 size 9 mm pistols. As most manufacturers did not have separate platforms for the calibers.

[Forte Smitten Wesson]

I think at the time Glock sold every 40 they could make so why would they update it?

I for one I'm glad the 40 is going away......now we don't have to carry 40 size 9 mm pistols. As most manufacturers did not have separate platforms for the calibers.

The only two companies that I know of who made their firearms for .40 S&W then chambered them in 9mm Luger were Smith & Wesson and Heckler & Koch. Also, said firearms had the fringe benefit of being extremely durable compared to other brands which took the opposite approach.

[Catshooter]

At around a 65% ROI on non-expanding ammunition SHO and WHO shoot ability along with platform durability does not support the larger caliber in a practical sense. YMMV.

Huh? Return On Investment? Special High Output? World Health Organization? I guess I'm LITW dude, DItW.


Cat

[Navin Johnson]

The only two companies that I know of who made their firearms for .40 S&W then chambered them in 9mm Luger were Smith & Wesson and Heckler & Koch. Also, said firearms had the fringe benefit of being extremely durable compared to other brands which took the opposite approach.


H&k sig s & w which are guns that I have owned in the past that were unnecessarily big and heavy. To each his own.

[Navin Johnson]

Huh? Return On Investment? Special High Output? World Health Organization? I guess I'm LITW dude, DItW.


Cat


Non expanding round nosed projectiles..... due to the elasticity of human tissue ......produces a wound channel at somewhere around 60 to 65%.... if I recall correctly .....of the starting diameter of the projectile. So the slightly bigger wound channel that a 40 could produce for me does not offset the far more difficult to shoot cartridge.

Sorry forgot to add if you're one of those who post more than they read SHO is single hand only and WHO is weak hand only. Common terms on the forum.

[Forte Smitten Wesson]

.40 S&W uses flat-nosed bullets by design.

[Bucky]

Yes, I want big balls.



Not sure I should say this, but I like big balls too.

... “but we’ve got the biggest balls of them all”


Someone had t. :cool:


Non expanding round nosed projectiles..... due to the elasticity of human tissue ......produces a wound channel at somewhere around 60 to 65%.... if I recall correctly .....of the starting diameter of the projectile. So the slightly bigger wound channel that a 40 could produce for me does not offset the far more difficult to shoot cartridge.

Sorry forgot to add if you're one of those who post more than they read SHO is single hand only and WHO is weak hand only. Common terms on the forum.

“Far more difficult”?

[JonInWA]

The only two companies that I know of who made their firearms for .40 S&W then chambered them in 9mm Luger were Smith & Wesson and Heckler & Koch. Also, said firearms had the fringe benefit of being extremely durable compared to other brands which took the opposite approach.

Add SIG-Sauer P229 and FN High Power (originally 9mm, thoroughly redesigned for .40, and then 9mm benefitted from the redesign). Beretta eventually did the same thing to their 92 line, after the 96.

Best, Jon

[HeavyDuty]

“Far more difficult”?

This.

[Catshooter]

This.

Yep. That is the driving force behind much of the "9 is fine" argument. That, and at one time, cost. It's very plain in the FBI report that started all this crap again. If one reads the actual report. Why we listen to that bunch of treasonous liberal scum I have no idea except "authority" I suppose. Oh well. To each his really. I carry what I want and the vast majority don't even own a gun let alone carry one let alone 100% of the time.

Let the dog-piling begin!


Cat

[HeavyDuty]

Yep. That is the driving force behind much of the "9 is fine" argument. That, and at one time, cost. It's very plain in the FBI report that started all this crap again. If one reads the actual report. Why we listen to that bunch of treasonous liberal scum I have no idea except "authority" I suppose. Oh well. To each his really. I carry what I want and the vast majority don't even own a gun let alone carry one let alone 100% of the time.

Let the dog-piling begin!


Cat

Are you a fan or a foe of .40? I’m not following.

[JonInWA]

Non expanding round nosed projectiles..... due to the elasticity of human tissue ......produces a wound channel at somewhere around 60 to 65%.... if I recall correctly .....of the starting diameter of the projectile. So the slightly bigger wound channel that a 40 could produce for me does not offset the far more difficult to shoot cartridge.

Sorry forgot to add if you're one of those who post more than they read SHO is single hand only and WHO is weak hand only. Common terms on the forum.

I don't personally consider .40 to be "far more difficult to shoot." Particularly in a pistol with a heavier slide and properly configered and tuned RSA. I 9mm "easier," less expensive, less platform wear inducing? Sure. But it's not like .40 is a battering ram.

.40 is still an eminently viable cartridge. There are pros for it, in addition to the cons.

And just as an aside, snide snarkiness normally isn't overly appreciated here. Nor does it necessarily reinforce whatever points your attempting to establish to your advantage, or credibility.

Best, Jon

[Navin Johnson]

I don't personally consider .40 to be "far more difficult to shoot." Particularly in a pistol with a heavier slide and properly configered and tuned RSA. I 9mm "easier," less expensive, less platform wear inducing? Sure. But it's not like .40 is a battering ram.

.40 is still an eminently viable cartridge. There are pros for it, in addition to the cons.

And just as an aside, snide snarkiness normally isn't overly appreciated here. Nor does it necessarily reinforce whatever points your attempting to establish to your advantage, or credibility.

Best, Jon

In a world where people value extremely light triggers I would guess even a slight increase in split times or equal split times with less accuracy seems vitally important. Thus I would consider the 40 in any equal platform less shootable than a 9.

Yes the 40 in a steel framed gun is quite pleasant to shoot.

The 40 is a very viable cartridge probably in some ways superior to the nine...... Juice versus squeeze YMMV. I think my original point was showing that the amount you gain from 40 in non-expanding ammunition versus nine is very minimal and is that worth all the downsides that come with a 40.

If the 9mm disappeared I would be perfectly content with a 40. I'm just glad the nine is available so I can carry a smaller lighter platform that will do 90 to 95% of what the 40 can do.

Excellent point about the snarkiness..... I never start that way it was just a response to an earlier snarky response.

[JonInWA]

In a world where people value extremely light triggers I would guess even a slight increase in split times or equal split times with less accuracy seems vitally important. Thus I would consider the 40 in any equal platform less shootable than a 9.

Yes the 40 in a steel framed gun is quite pleasant to shoot.

The 40 is a very viable cartridge probably in some ways superior to the nine...... Juice versus squeeze YMMV. I think my original point was showing that the amount you gain from 40 in non-expanding ammunition versus nine is very minimal and is that worth all the downsides that come with a 40.

If the 9mm disappeared I would be perfectly content with a 40. I'm just glad the nine is available so I can carry a smaller lighter platform that will do 90 to 95% of what the 40 can do.

Excellent point about the snarkiness..... I never start that way it was just a response to an earlier snarky response.

Fair enough-on all counts.

Comparing .40 in a Gen 3 Glock G22 to a Gen4 G22, I much prefer the Gen4. I have equal if not higher expectations with a Gen5 G22. The only reason I'm a tad reluctant to immediately get a Gen5 is because I'm satisifed with the Gen4, and my Glock .357 SIG barrel won't work with the Gen5. Of course, if I got the Gen5, the .357 SIG barrel would likely to be permanantly installed in the Gen4....

And as DocGKR lays out nicely in the Duty/Service Ammo section, once you go from full-size (G22) to compact (G23) .40 (or .357 SIG) Glock, my interest proportionately diminishes....

In my personal experience, HK has done the best in taming the 40, due to using a heavier slide ad a flat-wire RSA in my VP40, and a heavier slide and SA buffer in my G30L. Due to the ongoing ammunition shortage, you shoot the caliber that you can most easily, and cost effectively get ammunition for-which in my area (Pacific NW/metro Seattle) it's .40....

All things/calibers being equal (eventually), I'd generally default to 9mm for EDC/duty-but prefer .40 as a rural/wilderness/hunting back-up cartridge, due to its greater penetrative capabilities wth quality vetted cartridges.

Best, Jon

[Catshooter]

Are you a fan or a foe of .40? I’m not following.

Yes, fan. Forty, forty five, love 'em both. Sorry I wasn't more clear.


Cat

[HCM]

Are you a fan or a foe of .40? I’m not following.

The cat shitter appears to be a fan of QAnon.

[TheNewbie]

Fair enough-on all counts.

Comparing .40 in a Gen 3 Glock G22 to a Gen4 G22, I much prefer the Gen4. I have equal if not higher expectations with a Gen5 G22. The only reason I'm a tad reluctant to immediately get a Gen5 is because I'm satisifed with the Gen4, and my Glock .357 SIG barrel won't work with the Gen5. Of course, if I got the Gen5, the .357 SIG barrel would likely to be permanantly installed in the Gen4....

And as DocGKR lays out nicely in the Duty/Service Ammo section, once you go from full-size (G22) to compact (G23) .40 (or .357 SIG) Glock, my interest proportionately diminishes....

In my personal experience, HK has done the best in taming the 40, due to using a heavier slide ad a flat-wire RSA in my VP40, and a heavier slide and SA buffer in my G30L. Due to the ongoing ammunition shortage, you shoot the caliber that you can most easily, and cost effectively get ammunition for-which in my area (Pacific NW/metro Seattle) it's .40....

All things/calibers being equal (eventually), I'd generally default to 9mm for EDC/duty-but prefer .40 as a rural/wilderness/hunting back-up cartridge, due to its greater penetrative capabilities wth quality vetted cartridges.

Best, Jon


It would be interesting to compare a Gen 4 22 with a Gen 5 23. To see if the shooting difference is still significant between the two guns.

[JonInWA]

It would be interesting to compare a Gen 4 22 with a Gen 5 23. To see if the shooting difference is still significant between the two guns.

You know, that's an excellent thought that in all honesty I hadn't considered. Best, Jon

[Catshooter]

The cat shitter appears to be a fan of QAnon.


Wow, that's quite insulting. Did I step on your toes at some point? If so, sorry, I apologize. If your post was meant as a joke, I don't get the humor. Can't see a connection between the twist you put on my user name and QAnon. If not, go fuck yourself. I suggest you put me on your ignore list. You're on mine. :)


Cat

[Catshooter]

It would be interesting to compare a Gen 4 22 with a Gen 5 23. To see if the shooting difference is still significant between the two guns.

I agree, that would be very interesting. And one between a Gen 4 and 5 23.


Cat

[ST911]

It would be interesting to compare a Gen 4 22 with a Gen 5 23. To see if the shooting difference is still significant between the two guns.


I agree, that would be very interesting. And one between a Gen 4 and 5 23. Cat

I have done that, but don't have the data at hand. If we can accept a common understanding of what "easier to shoot" means to most, the G17 is easier than a gen5 G22 is easier than gen <5 G22. The same applies to a G19/G23 and G26/G27 comparison. Slide mass in the gen5 40 matters.

I liked the gen5 G23 over the gen4 G22.

Overall, I find the gen5 G22 and G23 to behave more like an oomphy 9mm than a legacy 40. Ammo matters as well, standard 180s, slow or fast 165s, 155s, and lighter all make a difference in the gaps.

[Borderland]

A recent visit to the ammo locker at the PD showed an excess of .40 including our issue 180 grain HST

Might be time to invest in a Gen5 .40 MOS

40 S&W will make a come back. 45-70 did and it was originally BP. How's that for 20/1 odds?

[Borderland]

DP.........

[Borderland]

Interesting time to come out with a new release when they can’t keep existing product on the shelf. ;)

It isn't what's available, it's what we may build if we see enough demand. Somebody is doing marketing research right now using P-F.

I remember Ruger offered a sxs shotgun ( Gold Label) on their website for a year that they never built. Not a single one ever hit the commercial market.

[HeavyDuty]

It isn't what's available, it's what we may build if we see enough demand. Somebody is doing marketing research right now using P-F.

I remember Ruger offered a sxs shotgun ( Gold Label) on their website for a year that they never built. Not a single one ever hit the commercial market.

I handled two Gold Labels at the local store, a few made it out into the wild.

[Borderland]

I handled two Gold Labels at the local store, a few made it out into the wild.

Looks like I'm wrong. According to the SN look up they built 3364 in two years. I waited for one for several years and never found one.

[HeavyDuty]

Looks like I'm wrong. According to the SN look up they built 3364 in two years. I waited for one for several years and never found one.

Total derail...

When I saw the Gold Labels, I couldn’t afford one. (I’ve been a closet DGJ reader for years.) I ended up scratching the better quality SxS itch years later with a round action Beretta 486 Parallelo. A truly potato pic, but it’s the only one I have on the phone:

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Now that I’m in NH, I’m hoping to show it some birds.

[Borderland]

Total derail...

When I saw the Gold Labels, I couldn’t afford one. (I’ve been a closet DGJ reader for years.) I ended up scratching the better quality SxS itch years later with a round action Beretta 486 Parallelo. A truly potato pic, but it’s the only one I have on the phone:

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Now that I’m in NH, I’m hoping to show it some birds.

That's a nice Beretta. I had several Beretta O/U's for clays. I also had a 426E sxs that I hunted pheasants with. I did some grouse hunting also around here but it's tough. NH should have some grouse, or at least I'm told they do. I had a few hundred DGJ's that I gave to a collector. I went down the rabbit hole with sxs guns for about 20 years. I think I still have one somewhere.

[fatdog]

A couple of months ago I consumed my 2021 GSSF blue label coupon on this gun. I really like it. It is by far and away the softest shooting Glock .40 I have ever owned. Better than even the Gen 4 G35 in terms of recoil and shot to shot recovery in my perception.

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Subjective stuff aside. In the category of timers and targets tell the tale, one of my personal benchmarks is the Rangemaster Instructor Q, shot here on an FBI QIT, shot from concealment, from 3-25 yards. This is a pretty decent performance for me since I made all those instructor course par times on this run. That means shot to shot recovery was very good for me at least.

I really like this gun. I am sitting on a mountain of .40 including components and loaded ammo from USPSA days so this will get shot quite a bit. Probably carried a bit as well as I continue to climb the learning curve on the MOS/RMR type sights.

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[Caballoflaco]

If things hadn’t gone all 2020 I bet we would have a gen5 G35 by now.

[RAM Engineer]

No reason they can't introduce a 23X now, since they made samples for MHS.

Edited to add:

a *product-improved* 23X, with standard Gen 5 mag well and MOS.

[TheNewbie]

The Brazilian guns have a manual safety, though it does look crappy. However, Glock can and should make a quality safety a factory option.


Anyway, my ranting is done for the moment.

[Bucky]

Amazing. It seems death to the .40 really began at the G23. Gen 2-4 were painful, yet HK, and P2.. were fine. Many reports say Gen 5 is “it” for .40 if we didn’t get soft. ;)

[JonInWA]

I think HK has come up with the best .40 pistols; while I like my Gen4 G22 (and it's .357 SIG interchangable barrel), my HK P30L and VP40 are easier and more comfortable to shoot, with more effective recoil dissipation. I haven't shot one yet, but I suspect that the Gen5 G22 brings it up to parity with the HKs. Then things boil down to ergonomic preference and how important it is to easily do a detailed disassembly/reassembly.

For organizations, maintenance times and components/component costs are quantifiable resources. And pretty much nothing trumps Glock in terms of ease of maintenance and speed of disassembly/reassembly. That can be a significant factor in contract choice.

Best, Jon

[JBP55]

Amazing. It seems death to the .40 really began at the G23. Gen 2-4 were painful, yet HK, and P2.. were fine. Many reports say Gen 5 is “it” for .40 if we didn’t get soft. ;)

I have a Gen 5 G22 but have not purchased ammunition to shoot it yet. Word is the Gen 5 G22 shoots softer or has less felt recoil than a Gen 4 G35.

[steve]

I have a Gen 5 G22 but have not purchased ammunition to shoot it yet. Word is the Gen 5 G22 shoots softer or has less felt recoil than a Gen 4 G35.

I have a Gen 5 23 and it has less recoil than the Gen 4 23 I sold. I like the grip better on my Gen 4 35 so I am biased toward liking it better and I feel it is easier to shoot, but the Gen 5 23 does a good job of soaking up the recoil.

[HCM]

I have a Gen 5 23 and it has less recoil than the Gen 4 23 I sold. I like the grip better on my Gen 4 35 so I am biased toward liking it better and I feel it is easier to shoot, but the Gen 5 23 does a good job of soaking up the recoil.

Agree. the 23.5 isn't a G19, but it's much more usable than the earlier iterations of the G23.


I wanted a 22.5 MOS but would up with a 23.5 MOS due to blue label availability. While it's doesn't reduce recoil, the pinky ledge of the SLR Rifle works magwell helps controllability.

I would like to try a comp on the 23.5 or better yet a 23X MOS.

[HeavyDuty]

I’m still really happy with my 27.5, and found quite a stash of .40 when I moved. I’m tempted to pick up a 23.5, but part of me is tempted to wait and see if they decide to do a 45 equivalent in .40.

[TheNewbie]

I’m still really happy with my 27.5, and found quite a stash of .40 when I moved. I’m tempted to pick up a 23.5, but part of me is tempted to wait and see if they decide to do a 45 equivalent in .40.



How snappy is the 27.5 ?


My partner is going to be transitioning (no not in that way!) to a Gen 5 23. Glock should have done the beefier slides long ago.

[HeavyDuty]

How snappy is the 27.5 ?


My partner is going to be transitioning (no not in that way!) to a Gen 5 23. Glock should have done the beefier slides long ago.

It’s not snappy at all to me. I don’t have my old 23 to compare against and it’s been a lot of years since I did, it has more recoil than my 26 but not objectionably so.

[Ivantheterrible]

Just my personal take but I find the Gen 5 23 controllability to be much more than with the Gen 4s. Maybe it is the thicker slides and/or the lack of finger grooves. Either way, I find the Gen 5 much easier to keep on target.

[Dave Williams]

Guys I picked up a 23.5, what are you all doing for sights?

I'm thinking about a Dawson adjustable with a .105 fiber front. I'm told the 23.5 uses different height sights than standard, so I thought the adjustable would solve things nicely.

For a holster I bought another Enigma, and an IWB from On Your 6 Designs that looks Enigma compatible.

[Dave Williams]

I just put ~250 rounds through the 23.5. No malfunctions ran great, quite accurate. I hate to say it but I actually don’t mind the sights.

[GJM]

If you were interested in the Gen 5 version of a G45, could you take a G45 lower and put the Gen 5 G23 MOS upper on, and achieve that configuration? Not sure if there are differences in the 9 and 40 ejectors, or other frame differences.

[fatdog]

If you were interested in the Gen 5 version of a G45, could you take a G45 lower and put the Gen 5 G23 MOS upper on, and achieve that configuration? Not sure if there are differences in the 9 and 40 ejectors, or other frame differences.

Yes, just tried it. The 9 vs 40 ejector difference is the same as the gen 1-4, 9mm has a slight crook and 40 is straight, simple swap of the gen5 ejector housings would fix that. I am going to order the .40 G5 ejector housing and see how this combo shoots.
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[GJM]

Yes, just tried it. The 9 vs 40 ejector difference is the same as the gen 1-4, 9mm has a slight crook and 40 is straight, simple swap of the gen5 ejector housings would fix that. I am going to order the .40 G5 ejector housing and see how this combo shoots.
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Thanks for checking. Is the .40 locking block the same part number as on the G45?

[fatdog]

Thanks for checking. Is the .40 locking block the same part number as on the G45?

both locking blocks are the 7849-1, same part.

I just swapped the entire trigger groups between the 45 and 23.5 to get the right ejector in place, and will take it to the range with me tomorrow and run a mag through it.

The ONLY part that is different in the entire lower between gen 5-40 and gen 5-9 is the ejector itself, the trigger housings are the same except for that metal sliver in the trigger housing that is the ejector.

Glad you brought this up, I am sorta digging the full size frame on the 23.5 upper and shooting it will tell. Biproduct of the swaps is I have a simple 19.5 MOS sitting next to the new hybrid.

Glock Legos are fun.

[fatdog]

Ran 60 rounds through that configuration today, no issues at all.

The only thing keeping Glock from offering a .40 cal version of the G45 is the decision to do so and a rollmark on the slide for whatever they would call it. I will convert mine back this evening, I moved the whole trigger group from the G23.5 so as to have a .40 extractor in place, but a for sure viable configuration if you do that.

[HeavyDuty]

I’m actually a little surprised they aren’t offering that now. It seems logical, and from what I can tell the 45 is a popular duty gun.

[HCM]

Yes, just tried it. The 9 vs 40 ejector difference is the same as the gen 1-4, 9mm has a slight crook and 40 is straight, simple swap of the gen5 ejector housings would fix that. I am going to order the .40 G5 ejector housing and see how this combo shoots.
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Thanks for checking. Is the .40 locking block the same part number as on the G45?


both locking blocks are the 7849-1, same part.

I just swapped the entire trigger groups between the 45 and 23.5 to get the right ejector in place, and will take it to the range with me tomorrow and run a mag through it.

The ONLY part that is different in the entire lower between gen 5-40 and gen 5-9 is the ejector itself, the trigger housings are the same except for that metal sliver in the trigger housing that is the ejector.

Glad you brought this up, I am sorta digging the full size frame on the 23.5 upper and shooting it will tell. Biproduct of the swaps is I have a simple 19.5 MOS sitting next to the new hybrid.

Glock Legos are fun.

Damn it you guys are going to cost me money…

[GJM]

Let's name it and maybe we can get Glock to introduce it. I was thinking Glock 55?

[HeavyDuty]

What are we up to? 49?

[JHC]

Let's name it and maybe we can get Glock to introduce it. I was thinking Glock 55?

Loaded with Lehigh or Hornady Critical Duty that's a field pistol.

[GJM]

Loaded with Lehigh or Hornady Critical Duty that's a field pistol.

Along with an Acro P2. Need a Safariland RDS holster released for the G5 40.

[GJM]

I have the ammo, now all I need is the P2 and a G5 23 to put together a new field pistol concept.

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[HeavyDuty]

I have the ammo, now all I need is the P2 and a G5 23 to put together a new field pistol concept.

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My new porn name!

On topic, if my 26.5 that’s at Battlewerx being milled for a RMRcc all the way back works out well, I’ll probably send my 27.5 to have the same thing done for my RMR (since it’s wider) and get an Acro P-2 for the 19.5 instead.

[JHC]

Ran 60 rounds through that configuration today, no issues at all.

The only thing keeping Glock from offering a .40 cal version of the G45 is the decision to do so and a rollmark on the slide for whatever they would call it. I will convert mine back this evening, I moved the whole trigger group from the G23.5 so as to have a .40 extractor in place, but a for sure viable configuration if you do that.

Did the full size handle make any appreciable difference in the handling of this hybrid vs the G23.5?

[fatdog]

Did the full size handle make any appreciable difference in the handling of this hybrid vs the G23.5?

Not for me, I did not run any standards drills to measure it, just shot our plate racks, but normally when given the choice between G19 and G17 for some reason I perform a tiny bit better with the G19....its what I choose for GSSF

my grip is high and my hand size is one where that extra length does not seem to make any difference in 9mm, my perception was the same for gen 5 .40, I see nothing in terms of recoil management or shot to shot recovery that would matter to me

15+1 Vs 13+1 is the only reason I would care about the longer grip

[Nephrology]

Along with an Acro P2. Need a Safariland RDS holster released for the G5 40.

Really tempted to send my Glock 35 off to Maple Leaf now....

[Thy.Will.Be.Done]

Saw there may be a Gen 5 Glock 35 coming, that one has me interested for nightstand duty actually. Would be great with an X300

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[steve]

Saw there may be a Gen 5 Glock 35 coming, that one has me interested for nightstand duty actually. Would be great with an X300

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I have been waiting for this since October........Come on Glock! Time for a .40 cal comeback.........lead the way!

[awp_101]

Glock Legos are fun.


Damn it you guys are going to cost me money…

Threads like this one and the field pistol thread sort of make me glad the M&P doesn’t seem to be quite as Lego-able as Glocks. I have a bad enough addiction Lego-ing Ruger .22s, ARs and flashlights...

[Navin Johnson]

I have been waiting for this since October........Come on Glock! Time for a .40 cal comeback.........lead the way!

Lots of good platforms for the 40......not sure what Glock has to do with it.

Before the Vid many LGS would not take any more 40s on trade. I was going to pick up a P30 with 4 mags for 3 bills OTD. Mostly to try the platform. And 40 ammo only about $40 more a case.

The 40 i believe will go away again when things calm down.

[ST911]

Before the Vid many LGS would not take any more 40s on trade. I was going to pick up a P30 with 4 mags for 3 bills OTD. Mostly to try the platform. And 40 ammo only about $40 more a case. The 40 i believe will go away again when things calm down.

This. The window to dump 40s and less moveable guns is closing.

[steve]

This. The window to dump 40s and less moveable guns is closing.

Nothing wrong with a .40 in my opinion. With the right loads it is a great woods/defense round. I got rid of a my Gen 3 Glock .40's and have two Gen 4's. The Gen 5 Glock .40's are soaking up the recoil and for me the extra slide mass makes them a keeper.

.40 cal is nearing 9mm price levels and at times is a lot easier to find.

[SwampDweller]

Not just here but elsewhere, it seems that there is a growing resurgence in the popularity of .40 S&W. I gotta wonder why.

[Caballoflaco]

Not just here but elsewhere, it seems that there is a growing resurgence in the popularity of .40 S&W. I gotta wonder why.

Boredom, and an ammo drought that saw 9mm and .40 prices come closer together, plus .40 sometimes being more available. We’ve been doing 9mm for well over a decade now and the people want something new, plus you’ve got a newer generation of shooters who were raised on 9mm and don’t have much experience with other calibers who now have the disposable income to experiment with different calibers. It’s the same reason there has been a minor resurgence of interest in shotguns and 1911’s and apparently high-powers.

[HeavyDuty]

Time to send my 27.5 off to be milled for a RMR.

[pastaslinger]

Part of me wants to dump 10mn for this

[HeavyDuty]

Time to send my 27.5 off to be milled for a RMR.

I never posted the results. Battle Werx RMR cut, Dawson 0.300 front, PMM IRDS rear:

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Now if I can just get someone to do an alternative 357SIG barrel I’ll be able to replace my 33.4 and spare .40 barrel.