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45dotACP
09-05-2020, 01:33 PM
So, I never wrestled. At all. In fact my first experience grappling was in BJJ so all I know about anything wrestling related comes from Jiu Jitsu. That said, I've come to really appreciate some parts of wrestling. Being a small dude, I get caught in the front headlock position a bunch , and same with turtle. As a consequence, I'm a big fan of the drag out, the peterson roll and the granby roll get out of turtle. Of course, the takedowns in wrestling and the focus on pressure and getting the guy on his shoulders is good too.

I've found wrestling is certainly the sport of the athletic grappler, but it requires more technique than most give it credit for.

So does anyone have a list of wrestling techniques that work well in BJJ/MMA/Self protection? So far I've come up with the ones I use the most...

-single and double leg takedown
-Shoulder throw/arm spin
-Granby roll
-Peterson Roll
-Drag out

Any of you wrestlers like other stuff?

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Cory
09-05-2020, 04:00 PM
I have no wrestling experience. I have no formal jiu jitsu experience.

You may find some the information that Shivworks has been uploading to their youtube helpful. It seems like they've had a massive push in their marketing lately. I've not attended any of Craig's classes (I intend to in the future) but it seems like a ton of his curriculum is on display and the actual experience is the value his classes offer. https://www.youtube.com/user/ShivWorks

Flamingo
09-05-2020, 04:46 PM
I have take Cecil's class two times now and it is a really great way of taking BJJ and wrestling skills and applying it to weapon entanglement. Cecil covers BJJ and wrestling techniques.

Mitch
09-05-2020, 04:55 PM
Arm drags and body locks

Totem Polar
09-05-2020, 05:01 PM
I have take Cecil's class two times now and it is a really great way of taking BJJ and wrestling skills and applying it to weapon entanglement. Cecil covers BJJ and wrestling techniques.

This, exactly this.


Arm drags and body locks

and Whizzer and underhook chest pummeling. But donít take my word for it, for Godís sake, the mods here are the ones teaching me this stuff.
:D

Cory
09-06-2020, 07:06 AM
I have take Cecil's class two times now and it is a really great way of taking BJJ and wrestling skills and applying it to weapon entanglement. Cecil covers BJJ and wrestling techniques.

I'm taking his class later this month. I have no real experience and figured it would be a good starting point.

Totem Polar
09-06-2020, 10:42 AM
I'm taking his class later this month. I have no real experience and figured it would be a good starting point.

Indeed. Iím a fan.

45dotACP
09-06-2020, 12:14 PM
I for sure need to train with the Shivworks guys. If ammo is gonna be more scarce I might as well polish up the unarmed skills.

Lots of other good stuff here too. Love arm drags and bodylocks.

The whizzer is something I've been experimenting with a bit, but as a half guard fan, I'm usually trying to be the underhook guy, but the more I try to up my passing game the more I play with it.

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03RN
09-07-2020, 03:40 PM
A good sprawl/takedown defense

Eta, on top of the others mentioned of course.

In real fights Ive only ever used single/double leg takedowns and sprawls.

Once on the ground I revert to striking

randyho
09-07-2020, 03:47 PM
Being a small dude, I get caught in the front headlock position a bunch...
I'm a smurf and this is not my experience. Details, please?

45dotACP
09-07-2020, 10:16 PM
I'm a smurf and this is not my experience. Details, please?Before learning the drag out, the only defense I had to the front headlock was the sit out, which works great to bail out of a sprawl, but was tough for me to make it work on a front headlock.

Most of the times I gripe about being a small grappler aren't really because I'm small, but mostly because I didn't know the right escape, and the option to explode/spaz my way out of anything is limited, so I get smashed.

On the flip side, now that I'm starting to learn and integrate my grappling, I'm starting to do a little smashing now.

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GAP
09-08-2020, 06:15 PM
Once I started competing in MMA, I spent about 80% of my wrestling time on sprawls and single/double-leg transitions.

Most of the other techniques involved redirecting their momentum and taking their back:

https://youtu.be/m0jQ8ae8_g8

randyho
09-08-2020, 06:35 PM
Good video in that it involves a legit size disparity. The last scenario seems the most viable from the perspective of someone who was always in the lightest weight class and training up.

Otherwise and generally, the body will follow where the head goes and sprawl and choke are your friends.

Waiting for Craig to chime in and tell me I'm an idiot, which, from his level of experience, I totally am.

Bratch
09-08-2020, 11:05 PM
Iím a fan of snatch singles from some sort of entanglement. Iím tall so once I can get under the leg and elevate most people are going down. I donít shoot many doubles because even on the mats hitting my knee starts to hurt Iíd prefer to avoid that on pavement. I know there are double leg varieties where the lead knee isnít hitting the ground but I havenít worked them as much. Supposedly Renzo Gracie broke his knee cap shooting a single during a mugging in NYC.

Cecil Burch
09-09-2020, 01:08 PM
Being a small dude, I get caught in the front headlock position a bunch , and same with turtle. As a consequence, I'm a big fan of the drag out, the peterson roll and the granby roll get out of turtle.




Not to be a smartass - seriously, I am just pointing out something that I think is extremely important for grappling and this is not an attack on you at all - but the general reason someone keeps getting into a front headlock position in almost always because they are leading with their head and has little to do with size or strength. Most people tend to lead with their head on any penetration move, whether they are on their feet on on the ground, and they don't know it. It is also a big reason why someone gets cauliflower ear. My greco coach was psychotic on the subject that the hips drove in, not the head, and I found that to be universal even in a BJJ specific context.

General rule - head is never in front of the neck. As all rules, it is subject to breaking on very specific conditions and situations, but it holds true most of the time.

Les Pepperoni
09-11-2020, 04:11 PM
My greco coach was psychotic on the subject that the hips drove in, not the head, and I found that to be universal even in a BJJ specific context.

I kept that in mind today - that was VERY useful!



Peterson Roll

That was also very useful too!

45dotACP
09-11-2020, 04:21 PM
My greco coach was psychotic on the subject that the hips drove in, not the head, and I found that to be universal even in a BJJ specific context.

General rule - head is never in front of the neck. As all rules, it is subject to breaking on very specific conditions and situations, but it holds true most of the time.

These are the droids I was looking for for sure. Thanks for the tidbit Cecil!

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jc000
03-25-2021, 08:17 AM
My son who has been doing BJJ for many, many years is now starting wrestling at the ripe old age of 13. He is currently attending a camp of some very solid, mostly high school guys. Having managed to escape donning a singlet myself in school, watching these practices is a real eye-opener.

I'd love to find some good video resources on wrestling. If anyone has any recommendations post 'em up. In my limited experience grappling, I've find that just as boxing helps provide a "vocabulary" for movement on your feet, wrestling does so for heading to, or from, the ground.

When I attended ECQC, SouthNarc was doing some cool handfighting stuff with his AI. It looked like some good drills for sure.

Wingate's Hairbrush
03-25-2021, 08:31 PM
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I'd love to find some good video resources on wrestling. If anyone has any recommendations post 'em up...Scroll through: https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?46240-Wrestling-Setup-Instructionals